[12:13] jmredlinks: esta es tu primera vez en IRC? === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:33] hey jsgotangco [01:33] good morning === mhz is now known as mhz_relogin === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] Hello [03:28] hi :) [03:28] Hi HedgeMage [03:28] hey HedgeMage [03:31] how are you guys? [03:37] pretty good but im in a bit of a crisis deep inside [03:37] :( [03:38] how come? [03:38] hi HedgeMage [03:38] hey LaserJock === HedgeMage reminds anyone who's interested that there's a cookbook meeting at 1900 UTC on Thursday [03:38] HedgeMage: midlife crisis probably [03:39] :( === HedgeMage cuddles jsgotangco === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_relogin === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@179-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === ball [n=ball@dialup-4.252.202.230.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:17] Is there a list somewhere of ubuntu channels? [06:18] channels are #kubuntu #ubuntu #edubuntu adn #xubuntu not sure of any other though === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [06:19] ball: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-729211ea4fb3c5b535d3d8a533dbc007c8dbce14 [06:19] bimberi, Zaire: thanks [06:19] no probs [06:19] yw :) [06:20] Edubuntu is LTSP-like iirc? === Zaire is kinda clueless still, learning more everyday lol [06:21] Zaire: do you have it running? === Zaire not edubuntu nopes Im running Kubuntu Daper Drake LTS [06:23] Do you like Ubuntu so far? [06:23] yeps its the best Ive used so far [06:24] Ive used prob about nearly 20 distros now lol [06:24] Zaire: I've not liked most of the ones I've looked at. I do have an Ubuntu CD to try though. [06:24] Not #edubuntu though. [06:25] bimberi: that's a helpful Web page. [06:26] bimberi: Where should I look for system requirements for the edubuntu X terminal machines? [06:26] ball: it is, finding it for you made me notice that it's a bit out of date so i'm editing it :) [06:26] brb [06:27] ball: good question :) [06:27] is this a good help doc bimberi? http://www.ublug.org/ubuntu/twinview/twinview-howto-breezy.html [06:28] Zaire: not sure as i don't use twinview. I generally try help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com first, then the forums and after that it's google time :) [06:29] lol well this time Im gonna make a backup of my xorg and move it to a diff location rather then having 50 diff backups that could be faulty lol [06:30] Zaire: hehe. That page looks good to me in that it doesn't recommend installing things from external sources. === HedgeMage peeks in [06:31] hello Hedgie [06:31] hiya :) [06:31] so does that mean I should use the glx driver or the actual from nvidia.com [06:33] Does edubuntu use GNOME, KDE or straight X? [06:33] gnome by default [06:33] but you can use whatever you want :) [06:33] Blackbox? [06:34] Xfce is decent I like kde the best and in the words of linus torvald don't use gnome kde is the only way to go lol [06:35] I have KDE on my iBook and don't like it. [06:35] is it an onld KDE or newer one? [06:35] old* [06:35] No idea. [06:36] xfce looks tolerable. [06:36] Not quite as nice as blackbox, but okay otherwise. [06:36] all I used before was gnome but haven't since I ditched redhat 9 [06:36] HedgeMage: i'm struggling to find edubuntu thin-client hardware requirements - any ideas? [06:36] HedgeMage: hi btw :) [06:36] bimberi: hang on it's listed in the cookbook [06:37] well i'll brb gonna change run levels to install my nvidia drivers [06:37] bimberi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements [06:38] ball: there you go ^^^^ and thankyou very much HedgeMage :) [06:39] np :) [06:39] I would print that... if I had a printer that worked. [06:41] !eduhardware is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements [06:41] I'll remember that === root_ [n=root@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu [06:41] hello root_ [06:41] !eduhw is eduhardware [06:41] I'll remember that [06:42] Firefox has never seen so many tabs open at once! === foxfire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu [06:43] well that bombed out on me [06:43] said it couldn't find the system ID or something to install my drivers [06:45] I might have some machines around that are close to that spec, but the 48 Mb RAM would require some upgrades I think. [06:45] ...might be worthwhile though. [06:45] at 48 MB RAM, you'll be thrashing due to X Window System [06:46] crimsun: I hadn't realised the terminals needed that much. VNC terminals are much lighter ;-) [06:47] where can I get a list of developer programs and compilers plus required libs for compiling and dev lol [06:47] I suppose X may be faster though, especially if it's accellerated. [06:47] !compiling [06:47] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!) [06:47] cool thx bimberi lol [06:48] Zaire: np :) [06:48] The spec says 2Mb Video RAM. Are some cards better than others (e.g. Mach64 for 2D accel?) [06:49] does auto-apt do what I think it does :) [06:50] It parks a car in your apartment. [06:51] Looking at this spec, a VIA EPIA ME6000 with 128 Mb DIMM sounds perfect. [06:51] ...wouldn't need a hard disk either. Perhaps 256 Mb would be better? [06:55] Hmm... I'd pretty much have to buy new boxes whether I used edubuntu or just ubuntu on each machine. [06:59] ...edubuntu would save the cost of a few hard disks and might make administration more simple. [06:59] ...but would require a heavyweight server. [07:00] Does that sound fair? [07:00] sounds about right [07:01] I should price up some gear. [07:02] I couldn't get auto-apt to work said something about there being no packages [07:03] For the terminals I just need case+psu, mainboard, RAM, keyboard, mouse, monitor. Anything else? [07:05] processor :P [07:06] otherwise i don't think so but i've never build a thin-client [07:06] The processor's soldered to the mainboard. [07:06] Fanless too. [07:07] (well, I could go to 1 GHz with a small fan. [07:07] ) [07:07] ...thinking about it though, I think they have a 1.2 GHz fanless, it's just a board that's new to me. [07:07] ony 1Ghz lol mines 3.1Ghz lol [07:08] Zaire: I can see 3 GHz for the server, but for the terminals? [07:08] 600 MHz is probably overkill. [07:08] possibly [07:08] gotta say though I love my AMD lol [07:09] I will need something more heavyweight for the box that will be running the applications. Just might consider AMD64 for that one. [07:10] ...or at least 2 GHz Pentium 4 Northwood. [07:10] ...or "Core" [07:10] (the artist formerly known as Pentium III) [07:10] thats more or less what mine is lol Sempron 3100+ 64Bit [07:10] with 800 mhzht aswell [07:10] Dual Core 2 Duo Extreme "Woodcrest" CPUs *drool* [07:11] AMD chips are too thirsty since the Athlon/Duron. [07:11] K6-3 was the last decent AMD chip [07:11] AMD rocks lol go 2000 Mhz FSB [07:11] Amaranth: can edubuntu use those? [07:11] ball: Core 1 chips are remade pentium 3, core 2 is using the new core architecture. [07:11] actually K6 was the crappy chip [07:11] ball: I don't see why not. [07:11] (will it share the load between the two cores?) [07:11] of course [07:12] linux is great at multicore/multiprocessor [07:12] K6-2+ was okay, K6-3 was okay too. [07:12] but that machine would cost more than putting a HD in all your thin-clients :P [07:12] Athlon = bletch [07:12] K6 != K6-2+ === Zaire swore would never buy another intel again Sempron 64 Zaire has runs a cool 10 celcius to 25 celcius [07:13] Amaranth: which leaves only the admin aspect. [07:13] (and reliability) [07:13] 25C isn't too bad. What's the DC rating? [07:13] AMD can take heat way better then intels to [07:14] iirc two core 2 duo server chips would use a combined total of 90 watts [07:14] I know cause I ran one and it was running at 62 degrees celcius for 5 months lol [07:14] Hmm... 45 W each? [07:14] still works lol [07:14] ball: yeah [07:15] Zaire: better to not waste the energy as heat in the first place though. [07:15] that's me trying to remember correctly at midnight [07:15] I've got entire machines that use less than 45W, but for a server that might be ok. [07:15] there is a reason it was running so hot though [07:16] the original mobo it was in fried and kinda half took it with it but it still ran anyway talka bout durability lol [07:16] Zaire: it was inefficient? === ball shudders [07:16] ^^ previous statement is why it ran hot [07:17] before top temp and this is in summer was 39 or 40 degrees C [07:17] ball: VIA machines don't count as machines, they're for niche things :P [07:17] For edubuntu, do the X terminals run 24-bit, or 32-bit colour? [07:17] srry to ramble on Im a hardcore AMD fan lol [07:18] ball: 32-bit color doesn't really exist, from what i understand [07:18] Amaranth: Actually I was thinking of one of my other boxes, but I think you're right about the VIA ones. I use them as LAN workstations. [07:18] when windows says 32-bit it means 24-bit [07:18] Amaranth: 24-bit plus transparency [07:18] what, 8 alpha bits? [07:18] Does edubuntu use/need transparency? [07:19] ball: transparency? "dude, if i turn up the transparency i can see my the wall behind my monitor!" :) [07:19] (why does a monitor need transparency?) :) [07:19] i dunno [07:19] i just know that what windows calls 32-bit is the same as what linux calls 24-bit [07:19] Just wondered. [07:20] 24-bit is fine by me. 16-bit is better than nowt. [07:20] I'm just tired. [07:20] 8-bit is okay on greyscale displays ;-) [07:23] brb gonna try driver install again lol === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu [07:29] any luck? === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu [07:30] k does anyone know where to get the kernel tree sources? === ball doesn't. === Zaire is so clueless :( === ball is too. [07:33] !nvidia [07:33] To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto [07:33] Linux is new and strange and mostly horrid. Ubuntu has promise though. [07:34] yes yes it does and yes linux can be horrid at times lol [07:34] !kernel [07:34] kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild [07:34] I wish I knew how to build a custom kernel with the right drivers and none of the chaff. [07:35] !kernel-source [07:35] To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages [07:35] yea I would like to know more about the programming aspect myself === ball remains baffled [07:36] I would like to be able to write X apps, but I have to make the basic shtuff work first. [07:37] I can't even remember how to make IRC bots anymore lol [07:39] :P === ball [n=ball@dialup-4.252.202.230.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has left #edubuntu ["confused"] === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has joined #edubuntu === test [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === test is now known as cbx33 === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === johnty [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu === johnty is now known as cbx33 [10:37] hey highvoltage [10:37] hey cbx33 [10:38] howz it going? [10:39] tired, but good and happy. [10:39] excellent [10:39] you? [10:39] I think i'm in the same place :D [10:39] things are going good [10:40] good to hear, you sounded a bit blue a few weeks ago. [10:40] yeh things were getting me down at work majorly [10:40] still are really, but I'm not letting it get to me [10:40] just trying to accept where I am and work hard to get where I want to be === cbx33 has XGL now :D [10:41] that's a good attitude. [10:41] yeh [10:41] heh. i'm sure you'll get bored of XGL soon :) [10:41] I mean my ultimate goal is to work for canonical [10:41] it's one of those goals that you can achieve easily enough with lots of hard work. [10:41] there are a couple positions open, have you applied? [10:42] I applied for the webmaster one [10:42] I'll check now [10:42] good luck [10:43] heh, I didn't get the webmaster position [10:43] but I got some good feedback from heno [10:43] I don;t think any of the posisitons at the moment are ones I could fill [10:43] is it something you'd definitely want to do? i would think that you'd go for something more exciting [10:43] not enough experience [10:44] highvoltage: heheh, you mean work for canonical? or the webmaster position? [10:44] cbx33: the webmaster position [10:45] cbx33: i would think that you would be more interested in software development [10:45] looking at it, it was my dream job at that time [10:45] I really want to get into the development side of things, hence me learning python [10:45] or is your rationale to get a job at canonical first, and then to move into something you feel better with? [10:45] It's just taking me some time is all [10:45] ok [10:46] highvoltage: not really, as I said, looking at that position, it was something that I could do, would still challenge me in places and wouldenable me to work in the ubuntu community and work from home === Electryfier [n=chatzill@cm238-hs2.europronet.ba] has joined #edubuntu [10:46] it's working with all you guys all day which appeals to me :p [10:47] Hey anyone know where to find the Qt libraries, compilation problems? [10:47] i'm hardly here for about 20 minutes a day myself these days [10:48] anyone? [10:48] Electryfier: compilation problems? [10:48] qt libraries are shipped with edubuntu [10:48] Yes, need to compile program because the stupid server which held the RPM failed [10:49] which libraries in particular? [10:49] you might need some qt-dev package [10:49] the whole thing, in other words: It doesn't specify [10:49] you might need to instal some of the packages you might find when doing a apt-cache search qt | grep dev [10:50] someone on #kubuntu might be able to give you more detail, or point you in the right direction [10:50] i've just been searching every repository i know, and all I found is what I have [10:56] hey, how exactly do I do an apt-cache search [10:56] of that [10:58] in a terminal. [10:58] I know that, but the COMMAND [10:59] $ apt-cache search pacgkage-name [10:59] s/package name/any-keyword-in-package-description [11:00] so: $ apt-cache search qt | grep dev [11:00] yep [11:00] k [11:00] there are probably more clever or better ways to do it, but that's how i would do it [11:01] did it, and got a bunch of lines with some Qt files at the bottom [11:01] including SOME libraries [11:02] kdesdk-scripts - a set of useful development scripts for KDE [11:02] libavahi-qt3-dev - Development headers for the Avahi QT3 integration library [11:02] libcppunit-dev - Unit Testing Library for C++ [11:02] libdbus-qt-1-dev - simple interprocess messaging system (Qt interface) [11:02] libpoppler-qt-dev - PDF rendering library -- development files (Qt interface) === cbx333 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [11:02] libqscintilla-dev - Qt source code editing component - development files [11:02] libscim-dev - development library for SCIM platform [11:02] libsmokeqt-dev - SMOKE Binding Library to Qt - Development Files [11:02] python-qt-dev - Qt bindings for Python - Development files [11:02] python2.4-sip4-dev - Python/C++ bindings generator - Python2.4+Qt3 devel [11:02] camstream - Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices [11:02] facturalux-dev - Development files for facturalux [11:02] icomlib1-dev - Icom PCR-1000 development kit [11:02] kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules [11:02] kdesdk-kfile-plugins - KDE file dialog plugins for software development files [11:03] Electryfier: please don't flood the channel [11:03] kdevelop3 - An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version [11:03] kdevelop3-data - An IDE for Unix/X11 - data [11:03] kdevelop3-dev - An IDE for Unix/X11 - development files [11:03] kdevelop3-doc - An IDE for Unix/X11 - documentation [11:03] kdevelop3-plugins - An IDE for Unix/X11 - development files [11:03] libace-qtreactor-dev - GUI Integrated Reactors for ACE: Qt Reactor (development files) [11:03] liberis-1.3-dev - The WorldForge client entity library - development files [11:03] Electryfier: can you please paste to a pastebin [11:03] jeezzzz [11:03] libguile-dev - Development headers and static library for libguile [11:03] libqglviewer-dev - A qt/OpenGL-based viewing widget [11:03] libqt4-debug-dev - Qt 4 debugging development files === Electryfier was kicked off #edubuntu by highvoltage (highvoltage) [11:03] thanks highvoltage === Electryfier [n=chatzill@cm238-hs2.europronet.ba] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] sorry [11:04] please don't spam [11:04] www.pastebin.com [11:04] err flood [11:04] Electryfier: please use the pastebin instead of pasting to the channel [11:04] got it [11:04] no pasting [11:04] great. [11:04] highvoltage: can we add a pastebin link to the channel topic [11:04] or are we getting too big? [11:04] so how DO I download that [11:05] the qt libs and other devs [11:05] $ sudo apt-get install package-name [11:05] for example: [11:05] sudo aptitude install package === cbx333 has switched to epiphany [11:05] $ sudo apt-get install python-qt-dev [11:05] cbx333: so you have seen the light [11:05] any other way? there is like a ton of the packages [11:06] Electryfier: yes, you can also select it from synaptic [11:06] its smart enough to know which packages you will need [11:06] Electryfier: which also has search functionality [11:06] (hey highvoltage and cbx333 btw) [11:06] jsgotangco: yes [11:06] it;s much faster [11:06] hey jsgotangco :) [11:06] well the thing is: I downloaded ever single qt thing or qt related thing from Synaptic [11:06] by [11:06] not form [11:06] from [11:07] i nearly wrote CBX333 instead of DDR333 a few weeks back on a technical report :) [11:07] LOL [11:07] highvoltage: heheh I am forever engrained in your mind [11:07] that's bad [11:07] just wait till we meet :p [11:07] mwuuhahahah [11:07] highvoltage: is the meeting later a council meet? [11:07] yes [11:07] it should be [11:07] err? [11:08] hey, what if I downloaded every qt, or qt related thing [11:08] highvoltage: ? [11:08] by using synaptic [11:08] and no compilation [11:08] Electryfier: it would be extremely space hungry [11:08] with a nice big error [11:08] what are you trying to do? [11:08] jsgotangco: hmmm.. i don't know. [11:09] i think i missed a council meet, so now i'm a bit out of sequence. [11:09] w00t - epiphany doesn't lag out mplayer when switching desktops in XGL [11:09] it's the first meet of each month [11:09] i dunno either, the meet scheduled is 4am on my side [11:09] wow, that's quite early [11:09] counting that I had to download 400 MB on patches and updates, plus another 200 MB on qt, I was... [11:10] DEAD BORED === cbx333 [n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93] has joined #edubuntu [11:11] Electryfier: if you're using aptitude, you could play minesweeper while uplgradeing :D [11:11] kubuntu channel is not responding, and out of 255 users in, no response [11:11] jsgotangco: hehehe [11:12] jsgotangco: I know, but sheesh, i'd rather play gnometris === jsgotangco is glad his contract with the UN will end soon [11:12] jsgotangco: after the recent news you mean? [11:12] what recent news? [11:12] oh ok in general [11:13] I thought you were refering to the North Korea situation [11:13] heh no [11:13] I try not to think about all that, I get very anxious about it all [11:13] cbx333: try living in Seoul === jsgotangco did === cbx333 tries to live in ignorance of somethings [11:14] I get too worried and nervous about them [11:14] cbx333: i currently have a contract with the IOSN (www.iosn.net) which is under the UNDP [11:14] I wonder wether #kubuntu users are statues or they are sleeping [11:15] because 230 users and no responses is insane [11:15] Electryfier: you could try the mailing list or the forums [11:15] good idea [11:15] Electryfier, over and out [11:15] Electryfier: jsgotangco is right. and you might also want to give them a few minutes to respond. [11:16] Electryfier: some of the most knowledgable people are quite busy, and they only check their irc window every few minutes (or hours) [11:16] highvoltage, did give them more than a few minutes [11:16] much more [11:16] yes we slackers tend to just idle by and wait for some activity in the channel === Yagisan mumbles he checks about once every 12 hours [11:17] Yagisan: deng [11:17] cbx333: yes ? working on it right now [11:17] um [11:17] the packages for the models [11:17] cbx333: I'm doing evil things with the new build scripts >:) [11:17] yes [11:17] don't seem to exist anymore [11:18] cbx333: add the breezy repo. They need a *massive* update for dapper [11:18] cbx333: its 1.5GB of files [11:18] Yikes [11:18] I don't have time at the moment to update it [11:18] ok I won't install that then [11:18] no no no [11:18] I was just curious [11:18] but now I'm not [11:18] and theres a new upstream release on several packs imminent [11:18] XGL will be my new toy for a while longer yet anyway [11:19] cbx333: it's broken up into smaller download, just the source is huge [11:19] cbx333: the biggest chunk is about 50~60MB [11:19] right [11:19] bbl [11:20] heh heh. Install command for Windows "deltree c:\*.*" [11:20] >:) [11:20] so tempting [11:22] Because I installed Edubuntu 2 days ago, upon updating: installing, scrollkeeper installation crashed, I ended up with a *bruised* Edubuntu, went into recovery and ran apt-get to reinstall all of the updates [11:22] a real nightmare [11:22] anyone had a same or worse experience [11:23] highvoltage: have you uploaded your pics? [11:23] no, i'll get to that now, i've had interruptions last time i wanted too, i have some time now... [11:24] oh yes, by bruised I ment useless, because I couldn't standardly run Edubuntu as admin to do it through the GUI [11:25] because in other modes it was asking for some password for root which I didn't know [11:26] then what IS the password for root? [11:27] highvoltage, do you know what is the password for root [11:29] well bye [11:29] love those impatient people [11:30] oh oh answer my question !!!?!. a few seconds later they are gone. === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ADAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:31] highvoltage: out of curiosity, why do you auto-op here ? [11:32] Yagisan: i think it's because my nick is the registered channel founder, i could probably turn it off, if it bothers anyone :) === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [11:33] sometimes i deop after i login, but usually i don't bother [11:34] highvoltage: just wondering. I usually don't advertise I'm an op until 5 seconds before I kick someone [11:36] wow i coded all day [11:36] horay for bzr [11:36] yep, thats the usual practice in other ubuntu channels as well [11:37] now to wait for tommorow the publishing in lp [11:40] Yagisan, daft question, but I have been away a bit, how is your daughters hand [11:51] was it something I said?? I ask one question and all coversation comes to a halt [11:51] *conversation [11:52] RobinShepheard: she's healed well now. Thank's for asking [11:53] no problem Yagisan, I did wonder as I have been offline for a while due to moving flats [11:53] should be getting internet access back in about 5 days [11:53] yay [11:54] bbl. Dinner [11:54] enjoy [12:06] im going home too [12:06] brb === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has joined #edubuntu [12:53] I have a bit of a daft question, if anyone can help [12:54] How do packages make it into the repositories. Do they have to be available in the debian repositories or do ubuntu have there own additions [12:55] this follows my reasoning that all edubuntu packages come from ubuntu [12:55] RobinShepheard: things can be packaged especially for ubuntu, but it is an important part of the project to work with upstream [12:56]