[12:08] <Hawkwind> uniq: Then once I remove those I assume I don't need to do that apt-get command you just gave me, correct ?
[12:08] <uniq> hawkwind: you still have to do it, as it is downgrading to the correct dapper version.
[12:09] <bluesceada> hmm
[12:09] <bluesceada> how can i install other software with kubuntu??
[12:09] <bluesceada> there seems not to be a package manager which can do that
[12:09] <bluesceada> and i also dont know how i could update
[12:09] <Hawkwind> uniq: Ok.  Do I need to do a similar command for libcairo2-dev ?
[12:10] <uniq> hawkwind: probably, check with 'apt-cache madison libcairo2-dev' get the one from the ubuntu.com archives.  with 'sudo apt-get install packagename=version
[12:12] <Hawkwind> uniq: Many thanks.  Things are back to normal again :)
[12:12] <Hawkwind> uniq: Can you explain to me what exactly this 'madison' flag/command is since I'm new to the apt-get world ?
[12:12] <sponix> Kubuntu/KDE is really rocking, not sure why gnome is default :P
[12:13] <sponix> KDE is not only faster, but does things gnome would only dream of
[12:13] <uniq> hawkwind: it basically shows a list of versions of a package, and where it comes from.
[12:13] <Hawkwind> uniq: Ok, gotcha.  Thanks again for the help as this surely fixed the issue
[12:13] <notech> i wasn't aware kubuntu came with gnome
[12:14] <uniq> hawkwind: you're welcome. Please spread the word to the others with the same problem. :)
[12:14] <D4m4ge> hi
[12:14] <D4m4ge> what is the command to unlog the user under kubuntu please?
[12:14] <Hawkwind> uniq: Definitely.  I'm about to document it in my Kubuntu section of my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ forum :)
[12:14] <uniq> d4m4ge: 'exit' or 'logout'
[12:15] <uniq> hawkwind: great :)
[12:15] <|lostbyte|> !info clean
[12:15] <ubotu> Package clean does not exist in dapper
[12:16] <slow-motion> n8
[12:16] <Hawkwind> uniq: I've also commented out the compiz/XGL sources since I have no use for that stuff :)
[12:17] <uniq> hawkwind: then you should probably run 'sudo apt-get update' if you haven't done it yet, to remove the references to those evil archives from the apt-get database.
[12:17] <D4m4ge> uniq exit closes the konsole, and logout asks me to rather use exit :/
[12:17] <uniq> d4m4ge: where do you run the command?
[12:17] <Hawkwind> uniq: Yep did that as well already :)
[12:17] <D4m4ge> in the konsole
[12:17] <D4m4ge> not with sudo, should i try with sudo
[12:17] <D4m4ge> ?
[12:18] <uniq> d4m4ge: you want a command to write in konsole, that executes a logout similar to kmenu -> logout?
[12:18] <D4m4ge> uniq exactly :)
[12:19] <D4m4ge> because i have a problem with my mouse, i have crashes/freezes when i use the Kmenu
[12:19] <MrObvious> !mp3
[12:19] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:19] <D4m4ge> and also when i launch applications frome the graphical menu
[12:19] <D4m4ge> i am waiting a receiver compatible with usb for my logitech MX1000
[12:20] <D4m4ge> because mine is one of the "bugged" serie logitech made
[12:20] <D4m4ge> not compatible with usb
[12:20] <pichi> ga
[12:20] <D4m4ge> they are shipping a new one for me
[12:21] <Eazy-> anyone knows if this HowTo for wine works in Dapper? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996&highlight=cedega+cvs
[12:21] <uniq> d4m4ge: try 'killall kdeinit' to logout KDE.
[12:23] <D4m4ge> thx uniq i'll try it in a few minutes
[12:23] <D4m4ge> :)
[12:23] <Eazy-> well, that will be a projekt for tomorrow then :P
[12:24] <G|assius> i need some help getting software mixing working correctly...it seems to be working fine except for amarok. I'm able to play sound simultaneously with i.e. XMMS & kaffeine but amarok does not play nice with others
[12:24] <uniq> d4m4ge: there is also 'dcop kdesktop default logout' you can try.
[12:24] <G|assius> if any program is running except amarok i get a "the void engine claims it cannot play mp3 files", but it works fine if its the only sound application running
[12:26] <G|assius> so if i got kaffeine running, even if it's not playing anything amarok wont work, but if i close kaffeine amarok works...any ideas?
[12:27] <crimsun> that's because amarok uses xine-lib by default, and xine-lib doesn't honor ~/.asoundrc|/etc/asound.conf. It insists on grabbing hw:foo directly, which means that it bypasses alsa-lib, which means that dmix doesn't work.
[12:27] <uniq> d4m4ge: you can also try 'dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 0 0 '. If you want to reboot the machine after logout you have 'dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 1 1'
[12:27] <D4m4ge> ok thanks
[12:28] <uniq> the killall example is the ugliest. the dcop ones are more elegant. depending on what you want.
[12:28] <zardoz> G|assius: I found amarok does not play nice with others usinf xine
[12:28] <uniq> now, it's bedtime for me. nite.
[12:28] <thompaB> here i go again
[12:28] <D4m4ge> uniq i want the cleanest way to delog, otherwise ctrl+alt+backspace works well, but i'm afraid it's a bit brutal...
[12:29] <thompaB> the new dell windows disks got spyware or worse
[12:30] <thompaB> i only got one program i need from crappy windus
[12:31] <thompaB> i own the windows licence 10 times on these crap machines and it says it wants me to pay more
[12:32] <thompaB> and sony sucks
[12:32] <thompaB> sorry
[12:32] <bluesceada> sony of course does in most things.... except for using linux on ps3 ...
[12:32] <RawSewage> whats windows
[12:32] <RawSewage> oh nm, I remember
[12:32] <RawSewage> I used to use that
[12:32] <bluesceada> it's f*cking hard to use os!
[12:33] <bluesceada> they dont even have a package managment
[12:33] <bluesceada> and updates are just once a month
[12:33] <bluesceada> you also need to install all stuff separately via extra discs etc.
[12:33] <thompaB> im tired of calling them with their stupid activation numbers just because i change hardware
[12:33] <RawSewage> Windows updates are usually: patch up a hole, or add more programs to monitor and control the user
[12:33] <bluesceada> hmm
[12:34] <bluesceada> a question
[12:34] <thompaB> xp would not take a low level fat32 format
[12:34] <bluesceada> does the hibernate etc. stuff work for notebooks??
[12:34] <RawSewage> no
[12:34] <thompaB> i had then page file errors and crap
[12:34] <bluesceada> RawSewage: :( why not
[12:34] <bluesceada> the option is there
[12:34] <RawSewage> laptop support sucks still
[12:34] <RawSewage> theyre working on it for Edgy
[12:34] <bluesceada> i dunno if i shall try it out
[12:34] <thompaB> i think windows is illegal
[12:34] <bluesceada> there is standbye mode and hibernate
[12:34] <thompaB> now is the time to move on them
[12:34] <RawSewage> it works for some laptops, but not all
[12:35] <bluesceada> RawSewage: why do they offer the options then??
[12:35] <bluesceada> maybe i could.. .try out?
[12:35] <bluesceada> hmm
[12:35] <RawSewage> try it out
[12:35] <bluesceada> :S
[12:35] <RawSewage> or wait until November
[12:35] <thompaB> why do i have to pay twice for a licence
[12:35] <RawSewage> for Edgy Eft
[12:35] <bluesceada> RawSewage: i first try to look if my dsdt of the acpi is correct or not
[12:35] <RawSewage> it's a privelege
[12:35] <bluesceada> i first read/try this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ACPIBattery
[12:36] <RawSewage> it might work on yours
[12:38] <thompaB> panera is not so bad fek off
[12:39] <fek> hmm?
[12:41] <uncle> hi
[12:44] <loki> hi
[12:44] <Howitzer> Does anyone here know Rainlendar for Windows?
[12:45] <Howitzer> it was this desktop widget-like progra
[12:45] <Howitzer> *it was this desktop widget-like program that had a calendar, to-do box and event-box
[12:46] <Howitzer> i've been looking for months for something alike for linux
[12:46] <TheHighChild> Howitzer: You check out SuperKaramba?
[12:46] <Howitzer> yes
[12:46] <Howitzer> but i want something i can edit on the fly
[12:46] <loki> nvidia
[12:46] <loki> !nvidia
[12:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:47] <edulix> how can I play music in amarok while record with audacity?
[12:47] <edulix> because it doesn't seem to work out of the box
[12:47] <edulix> "device busy" says audacity
[12:47] <edulix> same with krecord
[12:47] <TheHighChild> Howitzer: http://godiane.wordpress.com/2006/03/06/gdesklets-a-rainlendar-alternative-for-linux/
[12:48] <larson9999> Howitzer: i have one of those.  i call it 'Yes, Dear'
[12:48] <Howitzer> larson9999, i don't get it
[12:48] <Howitzer> is it a joke?
[12:48] <TheHighChild> Howitzer: It's for Gnome but should work under kde. I am still looking around
[12:49] <larson9999> my 'calendar, to-do box and event-box'
[12:49] <larson9999> Howitzer: yes, a joke
[12:49] <Howitzer> -_-
[12:49] <Howitzer> not funny :<
[12:50] <Howitzer> hmm
[12:50] <Howitzer> tried it a few months ago
[12:50] <Howitzer> sucked up memory like a leak
[12:51] <OOD> edulix: how'd you even get audacity working?
[12:51] <edulix> muahaha
[12:52] <edulix> OOD: when amarok is not playing it works fine to me. using xine engine
[12:52] <ep> what version am I running?
[12:52] <TheHighChild> edulix: Are they trying to use the same sound engine at the same time?
[12:52] <OOD> only alsa is able to play and record at the same time i beleive
[12:53] <edulix> i don'0t what are they trying, but it doesn't work. amarok uses xine with alsa, i don't know what does audacity use
[12:54] <OOD> edulix: did you compile audacity?
[12:56] <edulix> no, installed from aptitude
[12:56] <ep> How do I determine the kubuntu version installed... something similar to 'uname -o'
[12:57] <thompaB> Noatun seems to work for playing cds
[12:59] <larson9999> uname -r or uname -a will tell you
[01:00] <OOD> anyone know what is the command to chose which compiler to use during configure?
[01:00] <crimsun> export CC (and possibly CXX, too)
[01:01] <crimsun> e.g., export CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4
[01:01] <crimsun> or specify directly, e.g., CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4 ./configure [..] 
[01:01] <OOD> thanks, that worked
[01:01] <ash-fox> Is there any reason why I cannot get x application to run from a root console even though I did a "xhost +localhost"?
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> ash-fox: just use kdesu appname
[01:04] <ash-fox> h3sp4wn, the console output is bugged then however. It displays one character per line.
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> ash-fox: You could try setting DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0
[01:08] <ash-fox> Hm, I have a feeling this is probably a issue caused by 'selinux'
[01:09] <ash-fox> What is the kernel parameter to disable selinux? selinux=0 ?
[01:10] <sensei> ash-fox: yes
[01:11] <sensei> Just be absolutely sure you won't use it again
[01:11] <sensei> Since enabling it could require recovery
[01:11] <sensei> ash-fox: You could set SELINUX=disabled in the conf as an alternative
[01:11] <ash-fox> Which conf would that be?
[01:13] <Mongey> i need help with xgl
[01:13] <Mongey> well
[01:13] <abattoir> !xgl
[01:13] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[01:15] <OOD> you should go to the xgl channel then
[01:16] <Mongey> stupid pastebin
[01:16] <edulix> now i fixed my problem with audacity & amarok - just imported the song i wanted in audacity and started to use only audacity
[01:16] <edulix> it's a pitty that I've yet to see a open source kde app like audacity - anyone?
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> Tried rosegarden ?
[01:18] <sensei> ash-fox: The selinux one
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> edulix: http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?xcontentmode=220
[01:18] <edulix> let's see rosegarden :)
[01:20] <abattoir> it has a beautiful splash :P
[01:20] <OOD> is it good? i migh check it out
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> are you using rosegarden4 or just rosegarden ?
[01:22] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: me? i've never had a need for it, just tried it once, that's all :)
[01:22] <abattoir> i think it was rosegarden4
[01:22] <ash-fox> h3sp4wn, hm, odd, isn't selinux's config usually located in /etc/selinux/config ?
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> I have never used selinux if I need security I would use freebsd or openbsd (depending on how much security I needed)
[01:23] <ash-fox> I was under the assumption that ubuntu has this enabled by default?
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> No
[01:23] <ash-fox> Ah, nevermind then =)
[01:23] <TheHighChild> ubuntu has very few secutiry features enabled
[01:23] <OOD> audacity works :D
[01:24] <OOD> got it working
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> Alot of stuff needs to be patched for selinux
[01:24] <edulix> what's the difference between rosegarden{,2,4} ?
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> rosegarden4 uses jackd (which I haven't successfully managed to get working properly with kubuntu)
[01:25] <crimsun> ash-fox: because that's The Right Thing To Do.
[01:25] <edulix> h3sp4wn: : and bettween rosegarden and rosegarden2?
[01:25] <crimsun> if you're not using kdesu or gksu{,do}, then you need to use xauth to merge the cookies.
[01:25] <ash-fox> It's also a pain when kdesu scrambles debugging output of programs that must be ran as a super user.
[01:25] <Philip5> edulix: if you like audiocity and what alternatives then you have both rezound and sweep
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> edulix: I have only used rosegarden4 (under sid on a seperate partition with jackd)
[01:26] <edulix> Philip5: for what I use, audacity is enough xd
[01:26] <edulix> h3sp4wn: ok. rosegarden package automatically installs rosegarden2
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> edulix: What exactly are you trying to use audacity for ?
[01:28] <ubuntu_> Hi i've got problems installing to hard disk , says no root?
[01:28] <edulix> just to record sound from the micro syncronized with an mp3 song
[01:29] <edulix> h3sp4wn: rosegarden2 is an hypertext tool lol
[01:29] <OOD>  you might want jack for that
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> I have never managed to get jack working properly on kubuntu the sound always stutters
[01:30] <sysrpl> hello
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> OOD: Have you got jackd working properly (i.e with under 5ms latency)
[01:31] <TheHighChild> anyone use Gnump3d or have experience with xmms and .m3u playlists?
[01:31] <OOD> h3sp4wn: i doubt my integrated card is capable of that kind of low latency
[01:32] <dr_willis> whats to experience? :P load playlist and play....
[01:32] <sysrpl> i have a problem installing libcario2-dev  which also goes to the libfreetype6 package ... can someone please advise me on what to try next? here is a thread with the error messages i am getting http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=209200
[01:33] <TheHighChild> dr_willis: It loads up the .m3u file but freezes when I try to play anything
[01:33] <crimsun> sysrpl: are you using dapper or edgy?
[01:34] <sysrpl> dapper
[01:34] <crimsun> sysrpl: are you using /only/ ubuntu repos?
[01:34] <dr_willis> TheHighChild,  have it make/save a playlist and see if ti can load it then.
[01:34] <sysrpl> i have the multiverse enabled
[01:34] <OOD> h3sp4wn: i haven't extensively tried using jackd (waiting t'ill my music program works in wine :P)
[01:35] <crimsun> sysrpl: that's a ubuntu repo. I meant "Are you using any special non-Ubuntu repos to get Xgl, etc.?"
[01:35] <TheHighChild> dr_willis: I already have the playlist, Gnump3d generates one. i've saved it and opened it up in xmms. It loads fine and I can navigate my files but it freezes when I initiate play. Perhaps I've misunderstood your suggestion
[01:35] <sysrpl> i don't think so, no
[01:35] <dr_willis> TheHighChild,  have xmms make the list.. if that list workjs.. then it sounds like some issue with gnump3d
[01:36] <crimsun> sysrpl: yes you are
[01:36] <crimsun> sysrpl: dapper doesn't have cairo 1.2.0
[01:36] <TheHighChild> dr_willis: oh ok. i gotcha. I'll have to do then when I am local to the media files.
[01:36] <crimsun> sysrpl: apt-cache policy libcairo2
[01:36] <sysrpl> okay
[01:36] <sysrpl> so ...
[01:36] <TheHighChild> dr_willis: the playlist that gnump3d creates plays fine in amarok.
[01:36] <crimsun> on pastebin, tell me the output from that command
[01:37] <dr_willis> TheHighChild,  that proves it works in amarok then. :P
[01:37] <dr_willis> heh
[01:37] <sysrpl> Installed: 1.0.4-0ubuntu1 Candidate: 1.2.0-0ubuntu
[01:38] <crimsun> sysrpl: on pastebin, please.
[01:38] <sysrpl> pastbin url please?
[01:38] <crimsun> sysrpl: see the topic.
[01:39] <crimsun> sysrpl: and also, apt-cache policy libfreetype6
[01:40] <sysrpl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17198
[01:41] <crimsun> sysrpl: git rid of those beerorkid/xgl.compiz.info repos, update, and try again.
[01:41] <crimsun> this is definitely a FAQ
[01:42] <sysrpl> and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17199
[01:42] <D4m4ge> can someone give me the lines to add to the sources.list for KDE and Amarok
[01:42] <D4m4ge> the ones i got on the website give me a 404 error
[01:42] <sysrpl> whats the path to sources.list?
[01:43] <crimsun> the ones on the Web site work fine for me, D4m4ge
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> D4m4ge: "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main" "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main"
[01:43] <crimsun> sysrpl: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:43] <sysrpl> ty
[01:44] <D4m4ge> thank you h3sp4wn
[01:44] <D4m4ge> h3sp4wn where did you get them?
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> D4m4ge: kubuntu.org
[01:46] <sysrpl> okay sudo apt-get update ... and try apt-get install again or apt-cahce policy?
[01:46] <korozion> anyone had troubles with xine-engine stuff 'skipping'?
[01:47] <sysrpl> crimson: which one?
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> korozion: Not after I stopped using artsd
[01:47] <sysrpl> ah
[01:47] <sysrpl> ty
[01:47] <korozion> hrm, I should try that again
[01:47] <korozion> however, it used to work :(
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> I am not that bothered because the kde system sounds annoy me anyway
[01:48] <sysrpl> apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev works now
[01:48] <korozion> ditto :)
[01:51] <TheHighChild> How much CPU should gam_server be using? Anyone know?
[01:52] <D4m4ge> bye
[01:52] <abattoir> TheHighChild: it has been annoying me lately too, w/ high uptime it also uses a lot of RAM :-\
[01:52] <sysrpl> configure:26327: checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.4 ... what package would this be in?
[01:52] <fladd> hello all together!
[01:53] <TheHighChild> abattoir: It's not using much memory here, 0.5 in top but it's CPU usage is around 10%.
[01:53] <MrObvious> sysrpl: What are you trying to compile?
[01:53] <sysrpl> right now i am running ./configure on gimpshop
[01:53] <fladd> i am in search for a program that enables me to extract the sound from a video file. does anybody know where to look?
[01:54] <abattoir> TheHighChild: hmmm.. i just do a 'sudo killall gam_server' and then everything returns to normal, but then starts about 24 hours later
[01:54] <MrObvious> gimpshop? Isn't that related to the gimp?
[01:54] <sysrpl> yes
[01:54] <dr_willis> gimp with rearanged menus
[01:54] <abattoir> TheHighChild: it uses about 15% CPU
[01:54] <sysrpl> it's a front end replacement for gimp
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: Do you use xchat ?
[01:55] <sysrpl> doesn't it also change the ui?
[01:55] <MrObvious> Oh. It's not in the repos :|
[01:55] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  yep.
[01:55] <MrObvious> You might see if it's makable into a deb
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: How can I get url's to open in firefox instead of konqueror do you know ?
[01:56] <lowtech> would still need the proper gtk MrObvious
[01:56] <MrObvious> lowtech: I'm just suprised it's not on Ubuntu
[01:56] <MrObvious> :|
[01:56] <fladd> mmh, obviously nobody :-) anyway, i have another question: how to change the name for my drives? they are called 10gb-Medium and so on, but I want them to be called hda1...
[01:56] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn,  i think theres a setting in the menus somewhere.. i rember the OLD days xchat dident try t be as user friendly and added a open in... item with each browser..
[01:56] <TheHighChild> abattoir: What OS are you running?
[01:56] <MrObvious> sysrpl: You might try apt-cache search gtk | grep dev
[01:56] <dr_willis> now a days seems 90% of the xchat menus are now missing.
[01:56] <abattoir> TheHighChild: Dapper
[01:57] <eXCeSS> in firefox, when you click the top right circle thing, how do i make that go to the firefox homepage, not the 'about me' of my distro?
[01:57] <TheHighChild> abattoir: Which version of gamin areyou running?
[01:57] <abattoir> TheHighChild: sometimes .xsessionrc is also filled w/ messages about FAM server errors
[01:58] <abattoir> TheHighChild: one second
[01:58] <lowtech> settings > advanced > url handlers iirc
[01:59] <TheHighChild> abattoir: 0.1.7 is supposed to fix some memory leaks. It's for Gnome so i am considerin getting rid of it, not sure if I can though.
[01:59] <bioticpro> Need help with epson printer tools... can't access anything except clean print head or print test pattern
[01:59] <abattoir> i have 0.1.7-2
[01:59] <OOD> how would i be able to edit the meta info of a deb package?
[02:00] <bioticpro> Other things in Epson tools give an error about no such file or directory
[02:00] <bioticpro> Can someone help please
[02:00] <bioticpro> :)
[02:01] <abattoir> TheHighChild: i thought kdirwatch or something depended on it.. that's what i was told by someone iirc, though i fail to understand why
[02:01] <abattoir> TheHighChild: however killing gam_server has caused no side effects that i have noticed
[02:01] <TheHighChild> abattoir: yeah, def don't remove it. Lol I've got some repair work now
[02:02] <abattoir> TheHighChild: i was just about to experiment ;)
[02:02] <TheHighChild> abattoir: Yeah, don't lol
[02:04] <TheHighChild> abattoir: You figure out which version you have?
[02:04] <abattoir> told you, 0.1.7-2ubuntu1
[02:05] <TheHighChild> abattoir: Sorry, must have missed it
[02:05] <abattoir> TheHighChild: nah, no problem :)
[02:05] <abattoir> TheHighChild: i am just curious as to what happened when you removed/attempted to remove gamin ;)
[02:06] <TheHighChild> abattoir: Well, Adept was going and Konq-plugins. i aborted at that point
[02:07] <TheHighChild> abattoir: had to configure -a and reinstall those packages. Nothing major but who knows what else it was going to take with it
[02:07] <abattoir> TheHighChild: lol
[02:09] <TheHighChild> abattoir: It's odd. On my home server, it uses 0 CPU and very minimal ram but on my laptop with 1/10 of the files and space available it runs at 10% CPU
[02:10] <Raito> It doesn't really bother me, but I am wondering why Azureus has no icon, in the system tray it is blank but you can rightclick the blankness to see its stats. Also on the window there is an X. How come I can't see the frog?
[02:10] <abattoir> TheHighChild: i assume both have the same versions of gamin...
[02:11] <abattoir> TheHighChild: maybe its a laptop issue, if that is possible?
[02:11] <patrick_> Hi! I need help installing aMule (eMule) using Kubuntu6.06.
[02:11] <erov> whats wrong pat
[02:12] <TheHighChild> abattoir: I doubt it. Everything is industry standard (laptop and server hardware) It's got to be an app I am using. I bet it's firefox as that uses gtk
[02:12] <patrick_> Unable to find the right repository to APT-GET a'Mule
[02:12] <LjL> !info amule
[02:12] <ubotu> amule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[02:12] <LjL> !universe
[02:12] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[02:12] <erov> add the univese repository as ljl just got the bot to tell you
[02:12] <patrick_> !info aMule
[02:12] <ubotu> amule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[02:12] <patrick_> Universe is installed.
[02:13] <abattoir> TheHighChild: i am not sure, though its possible...
[02:13] <LjL> patrick_: "sudo apt-get update", and try again
[02:13] <abattoir> TheHighChild: you use qt-gtk-engine?
[02:13] <dr_willis> How long did it take to download the Universe to install it? :P
[02:14] <patrick_> W: GPG error: http://twemu.no-ip.org ./ Release:  NO_PUBKEY C34EE0075B4420C4
[02:14] <Mongey> i need help, i was installing gfx card drivers and it told me to restart xorg, so i did ctrl alt and backspace,and it started to reboot but it gets stuck at thekubuntu logo
[02:14] <TheHighChild> abattoir: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ? I have that package installed
[02:16] <abattoir> TheHighChild: because coming to think of it, when the gam_server issue started, i was having problems w/ firefox and the qt-gtk engine
[02:16] <abattoir> TheHighChild: yeah sorry gtk-qt
[02:17] <abattoir> TheHighChild: but it has been ages since i opened firefox, but the gam_server issue happens often.
[02:18] <lucas> when i try to install the nvidia drivers i get a frozen kubuntu splash at restart. why is that? it fixes when i restore the original xorg.conf
[02:18] <TheHighChild> abattoir: I would presume any gtk application could cause it. I just suggested firefox because it's a resource whore and I run it often.
 when i try to install the nvidia drivers i get a frozen kubuntu splash at restart. why is that? it fixes when i restore the original xorg.conf <<<<< my exact problem
[02:19] <bioticpro> TheHighChild: know anything about epson print monitor?
[02:19] <bioticpro> err, epson print tools
[02:19] <TheHighChild> bioticpro: Not off hand. What trouble are you having?
[02:20] <abattoir> TheHighChild: hmmm really weird, anyway i need to go to bed, its almost 6 AM... bye
[02:20] <bioticpro> TheHighChild: ... can't access anything except clean print head or print test pattern, all else says error, no such file/folder... I can print fine though, just can't check ink levels
[02:20] <TheHighChild> abattoir: Take care
[02:21] <TheHighChild> bioticpro: What is the package name, version you are using and the model of printer?
[02:22] <lucas> bbl
[02:23] <patrick_> !universe
[02:23] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[02:26] <Raito> It doesn't really bother me, but I am wondering why Azureus has no icon, in the system tray it is blank but you can rightclick the blankness to see its stats. Also on the window there is an X. How come I can't see the frog?
[02:27] <TheHighChild> bioticpro: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20634&forummode=2&forumpage=1&forumexplevel=2
[02:33] <_sledge_> I want to downgrade from edgy to dapper. Any Hints, Links, Ressources?
[02:35] <Healot> hint, reformat?
[02:36] <_sledge_> uhh... no
[02:36] <Blissex> _sledge_: reinstal...
[02:36] <Healot> downgrade? mostly painful for GNU/Linux
[02:36] <Blissex> _sledge_: unless you know _really well_ how APT works.
[02:37] <Healot> thank GOD downgrading Windows is far easier
[02:39] <paul__> hey wow an irc channel where people talk....omg
[02:40] <paul__> i've never see one.
[02:40] <paul__> haha
[02:40] <paul__> is anyone here good at customizing kubuntu at all?
[02:41] <Healot> the desktop? or the look-and-feel?
[02:41] <Healot> good resource is here kde-looks.orh
[02:41] <TheHighChild> paul__ shoot, we'll answer what we can
[02:41] <Healot> here kde-looks.org
[02:41] <paul__> welll
[02:42] <paul__> i'll explain what's happening and thanks in advance btw...i honestly thought this was gonna be a waste of time
[02:43] <paul__> i enabled transparency on the bottom bar (i think it's called the kicker right?) and when e.g. i open firefox and move it below the kicker, i can still see the wallpaper of my desktop, not the browser...any workarounds
[02:43] <Mongey> how do i get 3d acceleration working?
[02:44] <ash-fox_> Depends on the hardware.
[02:44] <Blissex> Mongey: !GLX
[02:44] <Blissex> !GLX
[02:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about GLX
[02:44] <Blissex> !OpenGL
[02:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about OpenGL
[02:44] <Blissex> !3D
[02:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about 3D
[02:44] <omeow> Bots are so useful.
[02:44] <ash-fox_> !fglrx
[02:44] <paul__> what i meant was through the kicker, i still see the wallpaper even though the browser is above it
[02:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:44] <Blissex> !DRI
[02:44] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[02:44] <Mongey> nvidia 7600gt
[02:44] <sensei_> !nvidia
[02:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <sensei_> Hey sensei!
[02:45] <paul__> anyone have an idea?
[02:45] <sensei> Hey man!
[02:45] <TheHighChild> paul__ I looked around but can't see anything bro
[02:46] <ash-fox_> paul__, the only workaround I know of is using GLX.
[02:46] <Hawkwind> paul__: That's because it's fake transparency
[02:46] <Hawkwind> paul__: You can use something like XGL, or you can use transset and xcompmgr
[02:46] <TheHighChild> paul__ Honestly they probably don't do it because it would use a ton of resources
[02:46] <ash-fox_> ah crap, I meant xgl. I need to sleep more.
[02:47] <ryanakca> ok, I made a html table... is there a way to make it display ascii? kindof like the one above this: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.1
[02:49] <root__> Hello
[02:50] <ryanakca> mayckol: you still having trouble with user accounts? and mounting things?
[02:50] <ryanakca> yep
[02:50] <ryanakca> you're logged in as root!
[02:50] <Mongey> how do i check if 3d acceleration is working?
[02:50] <paul__> thanks thehighchild
[02:50] <ryanakca> glxgears
[02:51] <paul__> ooooooooo
[02:51] <paul__> it's only fake.
[02:51] <paul__> does that mean GLX is real transparency. Or am guessing wrong?
[02:51] <mayckol> No, i like work in this way
[02:52] <ryanakca> as root?
[02:52] <mayckol> yep
[02:52] <mayckol> Is an ugly thing
[02:52] <ryanakca> that's suicide... logging into IRC with root
[02:52] <ash-fox_> paul, like Hawkwind said, XGL.
[02:52] <mayckol> OK
[02:53] <TheHighChild> paul__ I don't have any experience with glx but a quick !glx should give you the info you need
[02:53] <ash-fox_> !xgl
[02:53] <paul__> !glx
[02:53] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about glx
[02:53] <ryanakca> using root in general is bad... unless absolutly requeired, you shouldn't use it...
[02:53] <paul__> wow. you guys are good.
[02:53] <Raito> ryanakca: why is it bad to use root? and why is irc on root suicide?
[02:54] <ryanakca> well... let's just put it this way, if you use root for everyday chores, it's easy to trash the system (I learned that the hard way...)
[02:54] <ryanakca> and irc isn't exactly "safe"...
[02:55] <sensei> IRC is relatively safe. Morons aren't
[02:55] <ryanakca> lol
[02:55] <sensei> See? :)
[02:55] <mayckol> Ok, now i'm not loggin as root
[02:55] <ryanakca> lol
[02:56] <OOD> loging in as root has a similar effect as running windows ;)
[02:56] <ryanakca> 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5
[02:56] <sensei> Btw, have you heard about this mail feature in konversation called Read Mail -Real Fast ? /exec rm -rf
[02:56] <ryanakca> 4, 3, 2, 1.5, 1,25, 1, 0.5, 0.25... 0
[02:56] <ryanakca> I'm coming for you!
[02:56] <sensei> For instance.. that's got nothing to do with IRC really
[02:57] <mayckol> But i modified my kubuntu to only root can modify the sistem
[02:57] <ryanakca> ummmm thats the way it's supposed to be
[02:57] <Hawkwind> paul__: It's XGL, not GLX
[02:58] <Hawkwind> XGL is transparency stuff.  GLX is something totally different
[02:58] <ryanakca> sensei: yeah... run this: rm -fr /
[02:58] <sensei> Okay! Cool!!! I love new commands!!!
[02:58] <mayckol> I know that is supose to make sudo for everything but pass some time and you dont thing what are you doing
[02:58] <Raito> ryanakca: What I meant was, why is it worse? what security does a user account have over root?
[02:59] <ryanakca> lol, please don't tell me sensei did as I told him..
[02:59] <ryanakca> phew
[02:59] <ryanakca> you scared me there... for a second I actually thought you were an idiot :P
[02:59] <sensei> Heh
[02:59] <sensei> Gothca? :)
[02:59] <sensei> \o/
[03:00] <sensei> Would you actually have felt bad?
[03:00] <ryanakca> Raito: user account.... can't install apps... which means that on a server, a normal user couldn't install a trojan or infect the system with a "virus"... that's why linux doesn't have "virus"s... it's so inhospitable...
[03:00] <ryanakca> sensei: no... I would have thought... idiot...
[03:01] <ryanakca> grrrr... mom is comming... bed... will you be around in the morning?
[03:01] <ryanakca> or tommorow night?
[03:01] <Raito> ryanakca: btw, what is 'rm -fr'? what does it do? Just so I know.
[03:02] <sensei> Remove everything without asking any questions
[03:02] <OOD> yea basically
[03:02] <ryanakca> remove -force -recursive
[03:02] <sensei> Recursively, so all subdirectories goes as well
[03:02] <ryanakca> http://www.whoisdeep.com/2005/07/01/say-no-to-rm-fr/
[03:03] <erov> is this the *nix equivalent of phishing :P
[03:03] <Raito> oh, as in, remove your entire home directory O_O (I should have known, I know that >_<)
[03:03] <erov> taunting people to   remove their files
[03:03] <OOD> Raito: no, that command would delete everything on your drive
[03:03] <OOD> not just home
[03:03] <paul__> ok here's another question for curiousity's sake: if not using XGL, what are you using by default with a fresh install on Kubuntu?
[03:03] <sensei> erov: Erm, how's that similar to phishing ? :)
[03:03] <erov> well i guess i should say exploitation
[03:03] <paul__> thanks a bunch btw hawkwind
[03:03] <erov> phishing comes to mind
[03:03] <ash-fox_> It's a trick.
[03:03] <erov> trickery
[03:04] <Raito> OOD: But, by default isn't a terminal opened in the home directory? So if it makes sense you would delete everything in the directory you are in
[03:04] <erov> "social engineering"
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> echo "int getuid() { return 0; }; int getgid() { return 0; }; int geteuid() { return 0; }; int getegid() { return 0; }" > x.c;  gcc -shared x.c -o x.so; export LD_PRELOAD=$PWD/x.so; sh
[03:04] <ryanakca> Raito: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/12/01/linux_root.html
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> That is quite an interesting trick
[03:04] <sensei> Raito: Note the trailing /
[03:04] <OOD> yea the / means everything
[03:05] <SinnerG> once done rm / -R -f :/
[03:05] <Raito> oh, I didn't see that XD I get it, if it has a / it would delete everything
[03:05] <ryanakca> h3sp4wn: what does that do?
[03:05] <SinnerG> forget the . of ./
[03:05] <erov> i dont want to know ! :P
[03:05] <OOD> the only thing that will be left is your windows drive XD
[03:05] <sensei> ryanakca: That "Say no to rm -rf"-article is pure bull.. I say no to no backups
[03:05] <ryanakca> lol
[03:05] <ryanakca> I'm just finding random things...
[03:05] <Raito> OOD: but if your windows drive is mounted in /media... and is vfat so you can write to it
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> ryanakca: Try it won't break anything
[03:06] <OOD> Raito, if it's fat32 then you're screwed :D
[03:06] <ryanakca> it runs "sh"
[03:06] <ryanakca> wow...
[03:06] <Raito> XD, good thing I know what it is now
[03:06] <ryanakca> unless it does something special?
[03:06] <paul__> if not using XGL, what are you using by default with a fresh install on Kubuntu?
[03:06] <paul__> anyone know?
[03:06] <ryanakca> Xorg
[03:06] <paul__> perfect.
[03:06] <ash-fox_> X.org
[03:06] <paul__> anyway to find the version
[03:07] <paul__> from the command line
[03:07] <Hawkwind> paul__: 7.0
[03:07] <p47> hello, what is the diference between ubuntu and  kubuntu ? I don't understand !
[03:07] <ryanakca> ubuntu = ubuntu + gnome, kubuntu = ubuntu + kde
[03:07] <Hawkwind> paul__: xpdyinfo | grep X.Org  <~~Case sensitive
[03:07] <sensei> paul__, version of what ?
[03:07] <OOD> kubuntu has the KDE display manager, Ubuntu uses GNOME
[03:07] <paul__> xorg
[03:07] <paul__> thanks hawkwind
[03:08] <ryanakca> bbl, bed
[03:08] <Hawkwind> No problem
[03:08] <mayckol> Xorg -version
[03:08] <Hawkwind> paul__: FYI...I don't use XGL with Xorg so I can't answer any questions about it unfortunately
[03:08] <paul__> ahhh
[03:08] <sensei> paul__, X -version is preferred
[03:08] <paul__> ahh ok
[03:09] <paul__> is that argument "-version" applicable to any uh program
[03:09] <Hawkwind> paul__: Though both work actually :)
[03:09] <mayckol> yeah!
[03:09] <Hawkwind> paul__: Most apps will allow -version or --version
[03:09] <paul__> wow!
[03:09] <paul__> nice touch linux
[03:09] <ash-fox_> touch (GNU coreutils) 5.93
[03:10] <sensei> paul__, or -v .. Thing is, when debugging errors, usually it's useful to have more info than just the version
[03:10] <sensei> .. when available
[03:12] <p47> y que es
[03:12] <paul__> thanks sensi
[03:12] <sensei> np
[03:14] <rodolfo_> k
[03:18] <lucas> !ubotu
[03:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[03:19] <lucas> !thanks
[03:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about thanks
[03:19] <lucas> ok...
[03:23] <mayckol> I need help with a Dell Inspiron 600m
[03:23] <Jreinaldo> I need some help...I have 2 HDs, each one with many partitions. I want to install de Kubuntu in one of the partitions of the first HD. But when I try to install it, the "qtparted"  don't recognizes the partitions of the 1st HD. I'm receiving the message: " critical error during ped_disk_new". It recognizes well the partions of the 2nd HD.
[03:23] <Jreinaldo> There is no hardware problem because the partitoner of the Mandriva recognizes well the partitions of the 1st HD.
[03:25] <mayckol> This model have something called driver module that allow you disconet the cdrom and conect in that place the floppy drive module
[03:26] <fito> hi guys, how do i make superkaramba start at startup, how about a specific widget?
[03:26] <mayckol> In Windows you just do somthing like safe extraction and that's all
[03:27] <mayckol> But if i extract the module when ubuntu is running makes CRASH
[03:27] <mayckol> Any idea?
[03:30] <mayckol> Alguna sugerencia?
[03:30] <sensei> mayckol: Sure, don't use floppies
[03:30] <sensei> And unload the proper modules before removing the hardware
[03:31] <sensei> Anyway, nap time, laters
[03:31] <mayckol> That would be really good but, how can i tell to ubuntu that i going to remove the hardware
[03:36] <fito> hi guys, how do i make superkaramba start at startup, how about a specific widget?
[03:38] <RawSewage> add it to the startup list
[03:48] <loki> hi
[03:49] <loki> 6.06 how do i get the nvidia driver to install properly and allow my 1024x768 res
[03:49] <OOD> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:49] <OOD> then sudo nvidia-xconfig
[03:50] <Stormfyst> hola
[03:50] <Stormfyst> anyone available for quesitons?
[03:51] <nickpresta> I'm available
[03:51] <nickpresta> although I don't know how helpful I can be :)
[03:51] <Stormfyst> i'm on my 2nd install of Kubuntu
[03:51] <Stormfyst> i got the following errors
[03:51] <Stormfyst> "process for the system protocol died unexpectedly"
[03:51] <Stormfyst> then it continues
[03:51] <Stormfyst> then i get ...
[03:52] <Stormfyst> "KDesktop - The KDE Crash Handler" description The applications KDesktop crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT).
[03:52] <Stormfyst> then it continues
[03:52] <Stormfyst> and i get the same message again but signal 11
[03:53] <nickpresta> Can you get a backtrace?
[03:53] <Stormfyst> clicking now
[03:53] <Stormfyst> system specs: PII, 5gb hd, 128mb ram, IBM thinkpad iseries 1700
[03:53] <Stormfyst> clicked on backtrace
[03:53] <Stormfyst> Error
[03:54] <Stormfyst> Could not generate a backtrace as teh debugger GDB was not found
[03:55] <mayckol> good baye
[03:57] <Stormfyst> did i lose ya?
[04:08] <fito> where can i find the startup list?
[04:09] <BKaj> Couldn't get QEMU to launch after install , didn't show up in the k-menu , wouldn't launch from executable..any suggestions ?
[04:14] <MrObvious> BKaj: What's the output from a terminal?
[04:14] <OOD> BKaj: QEMU is a command line program, you have to run it in the terminal
[04:16] <BKaj> yeah, it won't open , unless I'm using the wrong cmd ..?
[04:18] <BKaj> thought I could use the run command dialog
[04:19] <acesuares> BKaj: are you starting as root or as yourself "
[04:19] <acesuares> ?
[04:20] <BKaj> sudo
[04:20] <Enos> anyone know how to unpack a .bz2?
[04:20] <Enos> tar -xxx?
[04:20] <acesuares> Bkaj what error does it give... something about display 0:0 ?
[04:21] <BKaj> E: cannot find
[04:22] <acesuares> could you paste the exact answer ? paste no more then one or two lines or else use pastebot please!
[04:22] <acesuares> !paste
[04:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:22] <acesuares> anwer=error
[04:22] <Healot> Enos: bunzip2 *.bz2
[04:22] <Healot> or tar xvfj *.bz2
[04:24] <Enos> Healot: Thanks; googled it; found it; thanks anyhow
[04:24] <acesuares> BKaj: did you type 'QEMU' or 'qemu' ?
[04:24] <BKaj> whyat's the runcmd ?
[04:24] <Healot> duh
[04:24] <acesuares> qemu
[04:29] <BKaj> lotsa info but nothing i can use
[04:29] <BKaj> obviously over my head :)
[04:30] <acesuares> BKaj: over my head too :-) but at least you got the program running!
[04:30] <BKaj> I can show you in pastebin , but I don't see the point of it
[04:31] <acesuares> BKaj: dont show it in pastebin, it is NOT an error, it is perfeclty well running qemu!
[04:31] <acesuares> You just need to read the manual...
[04:32] <BKaj> not running , mainly a  description , I think but no program launched
[04:32] <BKaj> so do I run the konsole while installing XP on it ?
[04:33] <Enos> anyone have any success installing xmame?
[04:33] <acesuares> BKaj: listen very carefull.... the program runs, but because you didn't give it the right options,
[04:33] <BKaj> emulation in dapper that is
[04:33] <acesuares> it shows you only a help page and then the program stops.
[04:33] <acesuares> So, it's your responsibility to give it the right options.
[04:33] <acesuares> Try reading http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC9
[04:34] <acesuares> or join the qemu channel (/join #qemu). THis is not Kubuntu specific!
[04:34] <acesuares> I hope that helps...
[04:34] <BKaj> yeah . I'll do it tomorrow ..tired now ..it's almost my bedtime here :)
[04:34] <antrax> who has the serials of vmware
[04:34] <acesuares> mine too :-)
[04:35] <BKaj> a bit much for these tired brain cells
[04:35] <mark_> anybody have wow and wine working well?
[04:35] <mark_> its the 1 thing that keeps my M$ around atm....
[04:36] <BKaj> thx for the help tho , folks , much aprpreciated
[04:37] <acesuares> mark_: depends what apps you want to use.... I use CrossOver, it's cheap, and supports MS Office and a lot of other 'unmissable' programs :-)
[04:37] <OOD> mark_: it's easy to get Wine working with wow
[04:38] <acesuares> crossover: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
[04:38] <OOD> mark_:http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=5109
[04:39] <erov> yeah i installed and ran wine yesterday
[04:39] <acesuares> oh sorry wow is the app :-) I didn't know but I googled "wine wow" and there was a lot of hits... eh... frags ;-)
[04:39] <erov> err with wow
[04:39] <erov> it ran fine and i have no windows at all on this machine
[04:39] <OOD> erov: lucky :P
[04:40] <erov> on the install menu the fonts were unreadable
[04:40] <mark_> just copied my old dirs over to my .wine and started it up and the video lag with -opengl on my system if awful
[04:40] <erov> had to squint and guess
[04:40] <erov> wine has a patch for wow specifically
[04:41] <erov> i didnt recompile wine.. but i bet that it might get better results
[04:41] <OOD> you have to apply the patch to wine source and compile
[04:41] <mark_> got the activex and teh 3 dlls in place and am running an ati (8.26) x1900xtx card so I know its not hardware I'm missing a few settings I think
[04:42] <mark_> have the 9.16 diff applied and the activex and dlls think I just need the .wine app configs set correctly since I didn't install I'm just wine WoW.exe -opengl atm
[04:42] <erov> try winecfg
[04:43] <mark_> it crashes when I hit the sounds tab for some reason
[04:43] <erov> ahh so does mine
[04:43] <erov> do this (hold)
[04:43] <mark_> if I avoid that its ok
[04:43] <OOD> it crashes? you jus have to wait a few seconds
[04:43] <erov> that is annoying an has to do with the arts sound systme
[04:44] <erov> no.. ood it crashes
[04:44] <OOD> really?
[04:44] <erov> reports it at the stdout
[04:44] <erov> yep
[04:44] <mark_> yea same here
[04:44] <erov> its artsd problem
[04:44] <OOD> hmm. i just have a few seconds wait
[04:44] <erov> i have only found a way to bypass it by mv the .so to another name
[04:44] <Cornellius> Is E17 stable ?
[04:44] <mark_> was thinking that if I can just write the cnfig file by hand thats good enough
[04:44] <erov> the bugs list doesnt give any real help
[04:45] <OOD> erov: you can compile without arts support to avoid this problem
[04:45] <erov> suggests it's kde problem
[04:45] <mark_> which .so erov?
[04:45] <erov> well mark_ do that instead then or just mv the arts library over winarts.drv.so in /usr/lib/wine
[04:46] <erov> or compile like ood suggested without arts
[04:46] <erov> after that the audio tab wil come up without crashing
[04:47] <OOD> another option is to take a suse rpm or slackware package and convert them with alien
[04:47] <OOD> they won't have arts support
[04:51] <driz> Identify
[04:56] <alien_chemist> hello
[04:57] <alien_chemist> can someone help a noob with ndiswrapper and dapper?
[04:57] <alien_chemist> i keep getting invalid driver
[05:00] <hey560> is there an official amarok 1.4.1 package yet?
[05:00] <sotired> hello all
[05:00] <sotired> happy july 4th
[05:01] <alien_chemist> hello
[05:01] <alien_chemist> anyone exp with ndiswrapper?
[05:01] <alien_chemist> I keep getting this message; couldn't copy bcmrndis at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper line 144
[05:02] <alien_chemist> and when i check i get invalid driver
[05:02] <alien_chemist> i am using dapper
[05:03] <lucas> hey i have my nvidia card working!
[05:03] <lucas> great performace!
[05:04] <lucas> what is "IgnoreEDID" 1? i have it in my xorg.conf but i dont know if i have to delete that line...
[05:04] <sotired> congrats
[05:06] <lucas> sotired: thx
[05:07] <nosotros> i need help
[05:07] <lucas> nosotros: tell us
[05:07] <nosotros> i can't hear anything
[05:07] <lucas> !mp3
[05:07] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:07] <nosotros> nope
[05:08] <alien_chemist> I need help too:(
[05:08] <nosotros> i can't even hear ogg
[05:08] <lucas> what soundcard?
[05:08] <nosotros> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[05:09] <ash-fox_> !koffice
[05:09] <ubotu> Integrated office suite for KDE, including word processing, spreadsheet, flow charting, image manipulation. For more info see: http://koffice.kde.org. Upgraded Kubu packs at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[05:09] <alien_chemist> !ndiswrapper
[05:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:09] <lucas> nosotros: that one should be configured with your motherboard by default as it is onboard..
[05:09] <nosotros> i don't know what to do
[05:10] <nosotros> but it isn't
[05:10] <nosotros> i hear a rare sound
[05:10] <nosotros> like static
[05:10] <nosotros> nothing else
[05:10] <lucas> no idea
[05:11] <nosotros> i guess i will have to go back to windows...
[05:11] <nosotros> fuck
[05:12] <alien_chemist> nosotros: have you tried using a livecd like knoppix to see if ur card works?
[05:12] <nosotros> nope
[05:12] <alien_chemist> if it does you can do a lsmod to work out what u need
[05:13] <nosotros> how do i install an older kernell (i'm using linux since yesterday...)
[05:14] <easynintendo> can someone help me?
[05:14] <Zaire> damn firefox stalled my driver download :(
[05:14] <ash-fox_> nosotros, I'd try to figure out the exact problem first before changing kernels.
[05:14] <easynintendo> ash-fox can u help me?
[05:14] <easynintendo> i cant get a dvd to play or my music either
[05:14] <easynintendo> :(
[05:15] <fu-k-t> hi
[05:15] <fu-k-t> i just installed kubuntu
[05:15] <ash-fox_> easynintendo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:15] <fu-k-t> and am trying to share files through samba for my windows computers
[05:15] <fu-k-t> but it's asking for a password, and nothing i try is working
[05:15] <easynintendo> ash-fox is that page easy to understand?
[05:15] <fu-k-t> any suggestion?
[05:15] <easynintendo> im new to linux
[05:15] <ash-fox_> DVDs may require libdvdcss, which isn't documented on that page
[05:16] <easynintendo> um
[05:16] <easynintendo> ??
[05:16] <ash-fox_> Install it like every other application on ubuntu
[05:16] <easynintendo> i dont know how to install stuff :(
[05:16] <easynintendo> im new to linux
[05:16] <easynintendo> i just installed it yesterday
[05:16] <ash-fox_> sudo apt-get install PROGRAM-NAME-ETC
[05:16] <easynintendo> um
[05:16] <easynintendo> huh?
[05:17] <ash-fox_> You can use that in the console. I'd tell you how todo it in the GUI, but that takes up far more text :)
[05:17] <easynintendo> console?
[05:17] <Zaire> yeps
[05:17] <easynintendo> um im sorry if im asking dumb questions
[05:17] <easynintendo> i really dont understand linux :(
[05:17] <ash-fox_> Start menu -> System -> Konsole
[05:17] <Zaire> you type sudo apt-get install programnamehere
[05:18] <TheHighChild> how do I enbale double click in kde?
[05:18] <unix_infidel> double click....done.
[05:18] <Zaire> if its windows running software then the only thing you can try is the wine emulator
[05:18] <ash-fox_> TheHighChild, run kcontrol, and set it there.
[05:18] <TheHighChild> ash-fox_: Thanks m8
[05:19] <easynintendo> this is confusing :(
[05:19] <easynintendo> is there a easy version of linux?
[05:19] <Zaire> lol this is an easy one more or less
[05:19] <ash-fox_> easynintendo, easier than windows...
[05:19] <easynintendo> ?
[05:19] <fu-k-t> have you used automatix yet, easynintendo?
[05:19] <easynintendo> um
[05:19] <easynintendo> huh?
[05:20] <fu-k-t> it's a program that does a bunch of installing for you that's normally quite a pain in the ass
[05:20] <easynintendo> oh
[05:20] <Zaire> language
[05:20] <easynintendo> but i dont know how to install anything
[05:20] <easynintendo> so like
[05:20] <ash-fox_> I have a feeling easynintendo doesn't have his repositories setup
[05:20] <easynintendo> i couldnt install it either :(
[05:20] <fu-k-t> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105343
[05:20] <easynintendo> im a her ash-fox
[05:21] <Zaire> lol
[05:21] <fu-k-t> anyway, sorry to be a pest, but does anybody have any suggestions for my samba problem
[05:21] <fu-k-t> ?
[05:21] <fu-k-t> i have a feeling it's something easy i'm missing
[05:21] <actinic> easynintendo, don't expect answers without a bit of studying on your part!
[05:21] <easynintendo> i can barely use windows :(
[05:21] <actinic> check out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[05:21] <easynintendo> but it kept crashing
[05:21] <easynintendo> so i got this
[05:22] <ash-fox_> Oh finally this nine hour restore finished.
[05:22] <ash-fox_> BBS.
[05:22] <actinic> kubuntu won't help if your computer sucks
[05:22] <actinic> sorry
[05:22] <easynintendo> its a brand new computer
[05:22] <actinic> return it
[05:22] <easynintendo> um
[05:22] <ash-fox_> Switching to Linux is best done when you have a friend helping you
[05:22] <paul_> How do I add something to my $PATH?
[05:22] <easynintendo> but none of my friends know how to use computers :(
[05:23] <Ahmuck> easynintendo: kubuntu will do you just fine
[05:23] <ash-fox_> The amount of time it takes to get someone ajusted to any operating system Windows, MacOSX, Linux.. just takes a extremely long time and effort.
[05:23] <easynintendo> um
[05:23] <actinic> none of your friends know how to use computers ... hard to believe
[05:23] <ash-fox_> Anyway, BBS.
[05:23] <easynintendo> i want my music and dvds to work
[05:23] <easynintendo> an they dont :(
[05:23] <easynintendo> an i dont know how to install anything
[05:23] <Ahmuck> you need the extras
[05:23] <TheHighChild> ash-fox_: i can't find it in there, looked through a few times. Do you happen to know, more specifically, where it's at?
[05:23] <easynintendo> so i cant fix it
[05:24] <paul_> I installed a program (e17) to /opt/e17 and I wanna add /opt/e17/bin to my $PATH
[05:24] <actinic> you don't know how to install because you haven't studied
[05:24] <deuce868> any alternatives to freedb for cddb info in kaudiocreator? I have a few cds coming up blank and wanted to check before I start manually entering them.
[05:24] <actinic> study and come back ... don't bother us
[05:24] <actinic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[05:24] <actinic> read it
[05:24] <easynintendo> um
[05:24] <easynintendo> zaire
[05:25] <Ahmuck> easynintendo: hang out here and your questions will eventually be picked up by somebody
[05:25] <easynintendo> it said i cant send messages cause im not registered
[05:25] <easynintendo> or something
[05:25] <fu-k-t> so register
[05:25] <paul_> !path
[05:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about path
[05:25] <paul_> :|
[05:25] <actinic> !windows
[05:25] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[05:26] <deuce868> paul_, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+how+to+add+directory+to+my+path&btnG=Google+Search
[05:26] <Zaire> I believe its "/nickserv register pass e-mail"
[05:26] <TheHighChild> Does anyone know how to enable double click?
[05:27] <TheHighChild> I've looked through kcontrol but seem tobe missing it
[05:27] <Ahmuck> easynintendo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[05:27] <deuce868> TheHighChild, go to system settings and mouse
[05:27] <deuce868> TheHighChild, it's right on the front page
[05:27] <easynintendo> um i dont understand what that page is telling me to do :(
[05:27] <Ahmuck> paul_ what are you trying to do ?
[05:27] <TheHighChild> deuce868: LOL, just found it. thanks
[05:27] <paul_> Ahmuck: Add /opt/e17/bin to $PATH
[05:28] <Ahmuck> easynintendo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#head-82ee502162e81ddca57bfba9281ad97c39fd7fbe
[05:28] <TheHighChild> deuce868: I was looking for the whole redmond theme because I knew I could change it in there. but this is much better
[05:28] <paul_> That google path should do it
[05:28] <paul_> Thanks deuce868
[05:28] <Ahmuck> easynintendo: you need to work with adept
[05:28] <Ahmuck> which is on your menu
[05:28] <easynintendo> um
[05:28] <Ahmuck> let me reboot here
[05:33] <actinic> anyone here using Opera 9?
[05:33] <deuce868> actinic, yes, a bit
[05:34] <actinic> deuce868, i'm using it to chat ... right here
[05:34] <actinic> it has a nice built-in IRC chat client
[05:35] <roadrunner> Hey guys, have another random hopefully simple problem again tonight...
[05:35] <clbeams> :-
[05:35] <Ahmuck> :-(
[05:35] <unix_infidel> time to play some pokemon.
[05:35] <roadrunner> Sound works in everything except for Firefox now... it worked before, and I haven't done anything since then except install and run Amarok. No sound will play through my browser now.
[05:36] <actinic> lol, so much for easynintendo getting answers
[05:36] <Ahmuck> no offence, but u were not much help
[05:37] <actinic> no offense taken, but he was helpless and you didn't know it
[05:37] <deuce868> roadrunner, what are you playing in firefox to get sound? I would look at that, not firefox perse.
[05:37] <roadrunner> Nah, its www.homestarrunner.com
[05:37] <roadrunner> it worked fine the other day
[05:37] <deuce868> roadrunner, i.e. flash sound, some other embeded stuff
[05:37] <fiyawerx> you know, i was told earlier when using vim to edit a config file, to KISS and use kedit
[05:38] <fiyawerx> do you guys think kedit is simpler than vim?
[05:38] <fu-k-t> of course
[05:38] <deuce868> fiyawerx, depends on if you know how to use vim :-)
[05:38] <fiyawerx> deuce868: thast what i said
[05:39] <deuce868> fiyawerx, sometimes you don't need to load up a gui to edit a config file and there you go. Explaining command/editing modes to someone new though?
[05:39] <fiyawerx> thats true
[05:39] <fiyawerx> once you know the 3-4 main commands you'll need, its fine
[05:39] <fiyawerx> i guess it's intimidating tho
[05:40] <actinic> nano isn't bad
[05:40] <deuce868> different is different in the end
[05:40] <Ahmuck> unix_infidel: have you looked at audacity ?
[05:40] <deuce868> yea, nano, ee, etc
[05:40] <unix_infidel> Ahmuck: nono i'm talking about road runner problem.
[05:40] <deuce868> I used to use ee on a lot of my fresh debian servers for a while until I got more confortable with vi
[05:40] <unix_infidel> audacity and audacious is audio production.
[05:40] <unix_infidel> sound mixing in linux is a totally different thing.
[05:41] <Zaire> anyone in here have a sources list in pastebin with the mp3 universe and multiverse
[05:42] <Ahmuck> let me think i was using a sound mixing program the other day
[05:42] <nosotros> i need to know how to do this: hange the repositories in Synaptic, from Warty to Hoary
[05:43] <nosotros> help?
[05:43] <nosotros> Synaptic: adept?
[05:43] <actinic> !sources.list
[05:43] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:45] <roadrunner> Hey, I just discovered the problem is specific to firefox. Sound works fine in Konquorer
[05:45] <fiyawerx> !easysource
[05:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:46] <Ahmuck> unix_infidel: ardor
[05:46] <Ahmuck> er, ardour
[05:46] <OOD> roadrunner: i had the same problem, i installed flash but sound didn't work, i think a reboot somehow fixed it, i don't remember now :P
[05:46] <unix_infidel> Ahmuck: wtf/
[05:47] <unix_infidel> i'm talking about roadrunner.
[05:47] <roadrunner> Hm. Ill try it. Sound was working just a little bit ago... Ill try a reboot and see what happens
[05:47] <unix_infidel> roadrunner: you have a sound server going?
[05:47] <unix_infidel> or dmix with alsaoss wrapper?
[05:47] <roadrunner> unix_infidel: I would guess so... soudn works in everything else and in Konqueror
[05:47] <Ahmuck> i thought you were looking at sound mixing in linux
[05:47] <Zaire> k someones gotta say it actnic and ash-fox when ppl come in here for help you don't just rudely say study up then come back until then don't bother us if you have nothing positive to say or can't help refer to another channel or shut it its people like you that keep people like easynintendo from using linux
[05:47] <unix_infidel> Ahmuck: that's enough outta you :P
[05:47] <unix_infidel> roadrunner: that doesnt mean anything, some apps use alsa exclusively, others use oss.
[05:48] <roadrunner> unix_infidel: then how do I check?
[05:48] <unix_infidel> dmix is enabled by default to mix sound from apps that use alsa.
[05:48] <actinic> Zaire, cut the crap
[05:48] <roadrunner> actually, yes it would mean something
[05:48] <roadrunner> the very webpage that wont play in Firefox plays in another browser
[05:49] <unix_infidel> roadrunner: because firefox uses oss, iirc.
[05:49] <unix_infidel> or rather flash does.
[05:49] <unix_infidel> i think you have artsd running.
[05:49] <OOD> yes but he gets sound in flash in konqueror
[05:49] <unix_infidel> OOD: look one line above you.
[05:49] <roadrunner> so you jsut said flash uses OSS... flash works fine in another browser
[05:49] <Zaire> actinc shut it if you got nothin positive to say then leave
[05:49] <OOD> that's possible
[05:49] <actinic> The person didn't even take the time to read the very basic documentation for cryin out loud
[05:50] <actinic> so leave
[05:50] <Zaire> guess what neither did I so I learnt on my own and people like you kept me from switching over sooner
[05:50] <nosotros> what is hoary and warty?
[05:50] <OOD> nosotros: older kubuntu distros
[05:51] <actinic> boo hoo, i'm cryin
[05:51] <nosotros> i can't get my audio to work
[05:52] <unix_infidel> !ops
[05:52] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, or imbrandon
[05:53] <nosotros> i hear nothing, not even ogg
[05:53] <unix_infidel> Zaire: there you go, dont PM me from now on without asking my permission.
[05:53] <nosotros> may anyone help me?
[05:53] <Zaire> soory
[05:53] <Hawkwind> nosotros: State your problem and be as detailed as possible and someone might be able to
[05:54] <lucas> go linux!
[05:54] <lucas> :p
[05:55] <actinic>  :)
[05:55] <actinic> nosotro, i'm looking for a sound debugging link ...
[05:55] <actinic> hang on
[05:55] <nosotros> i don't hear anything. i don't hear the sound when kubunt starts, and all the time i hear like static, nothing else
[05:56] <actinic> typical prob is kmix
[05:56] <actinic> that some things are turned off
[05:56] <actinic> which should be turned on
[05:56] <Ahmuck> :-(  another user lost
[05:57] <nosotros> everything is turned on
[05:57] <lucas> nosotros podemos escuchar :)
[05:58] <nosotros> espaol?
[05:58] <lucas> argentino
[05:58] <nosotros> genial
[05:59] <nosotros> mucho gringo ac...
[05:59] <actinic> nosotros: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Hardware/Basic_sound_card_hardware_debuging
[05:59] <lucas> hehe
[05:59] <actinic> give that a shot
[05:59] <nosotros> thanks
[05:59] <nosotros> soy chileno
[05:59] <lucas> genial
[05:59] <gamerChad> hi, I am trying to intsall kubuntu from CD (live), and after it does some initialization stuff, enters RUNLEVEL2, does some more stuff (ASCII command line looking stuff), the screen goes black, I hear some sort of chime sound, then it seems to die
[05:59] <nosotros> no puedo hacer que suene nada, me tiene desesperado
[06:00] <unix_infidel> !espanol
[06:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about espanol
[06:00] <gamerChad> after the black screen I've let it run for a couple hours or so, nothing happens
[06:00] <Ahmuck> ! spanish
[06:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:00] <actinic> gamerChad, 90% of all install probs stem from a corrupt iso download or burn
[06:00] <unix_infidel> Ahmuck: still getting acquainted...thanks :)
[06:00] <actinic> have u md5sum'd the iso to verify the integrity?
[06:01] <gamerChad> hmmm.  I had it verify the disk. it said 0 corruption
[06:01] <gamerChad> haven't md5'd
[06:01] <unix_infidel> gamerChad: how did you "verify the disc"
[06:01] <unix_infidel> gamerChad: right, you should to an md5sum of it.
[06:02] <gamerChad> on the bootup menu it gives an option to "Check CD for defects" I used that
[06:02] <gamerChad> sec I'll try and find the md5
[06:02] <actinic> lol @ Zaire
[06:02] <actinic> the guy needs to chill
[06:03] <lucas> nosotros: weird. i have the same card and its working since i installed kubuntu.
[06:03] <lucas> nosotros: have u updated the system?
[06:04] <actinic> gamerChad: if the iso is good doesn't guarantee your burner/player likes the disk
[06:05] <actinic> you might want to burn the iso to another brand disk
[06:10] <gamerChad> md5 checksum matched
[06:10] <orcdestroyer> well... I can't load my KDE using kubuntu... why??
[06:10] <orcdestroyer> I need to edit my xorg?
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> some error show up... like Fatal server error
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> no screens found
[06:11] <actinic> gamerChad, try burning another iso at a slower burn rate
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> Caught signal 1. Server aborting
[06:11] <orcdestroyer> there is somebody to help me?
[06:11] <gamerChad> I have tried burning on both a memorex CD and a fujifilm DVD
[06:11] <gamerChad> ok I'll try slower burn rate
[06:12] <Ahmuck> orcdestroyer: hang around, someone may be able to help
[06:12] <Ahmuck> i don't know your answer
[06:12] <actinic> orcdestroyer: you can't log into kubuntu?
[06:13] <gamerChad> any recommended burn rates?
[06:13] <actinic> gamer, try 8X on a CD
[06:13] <gamerChad> k
[06:13] <VHockey87> orcdestroyer: your command-line login is working properly though, right?
[06:13] <orcdestroyer> actinic no, I can log
[06:13] <lucas> one question: can i install .deb packages compiled for debian in kubuntu?
[06:13] <orcdestroyer> VHockey87 yes
[06:14] <orcdestroyer> but I can't load KDE
[06:14] <VHockey87> orcdestroyer: run 'startx > error.log' and post the contents of the error.log to pastebin
[06:14] <VHockey87> orcdestroyer: Is this off a fresh install? or did you just start having problems on a previously working system
[06:15] <orcdestroyer> ok
[06:15] <actinic> lucas:  yes, by right clicking on the file in konqueror > kubuntu package menu > install
[06:15] <orcdestroyer> VHockey87 I just start
[06:15] <lucas> actinic: allright...
[06:15] <actinic> lucas ... oops, not necessarily if it's Debian
[06:15] <lucas> actinic: thought so
[06:15] <Cornellius> Can't use GTK based apps anymore. I'm under KDE, and go in Konsole as root and type any gtk based app. (Nautilus, Rhythmbox, gFtp) and I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17215
[06:15] <actinic> must be specific to Ubuntu/Kubuntu because of differences
[06:15] <actinic> sorry 'bout that
[06:16] <lucas> actinic: no prob
[06:16] <lucas> actinic: thx again
[06:16] <orcdestroyer> VHockey87 it doesn't show any log
[06:17] <VHockey87> it didn't output anything to the filename after the ">" ?
[06:17] <nosotros_> actinic: i tried everything, it still ain't working. when i did: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp i hear like fireworks...
[06:18] <VHockey87> orcdestroyer:  try "startx 2> error.txt" instead
[06:18] <VHockey87> I forgot that you need the "2" for standard-error messages
[06:20] <orcdestroyer> ok
[06:20] <nosotros_> actinic: i tried everything, it still ain't working. when i did: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp i hear like fireworks...
[06:21] <VHockey87> nosotros: you should just hear a bunch of static if you are sending random data to your sound device
[06:21] <VHockey87> nosotros you should also be careful because that random stuff can be bad for speakers (especially if loud)
[06:22] <nosotros_> and how do i fix that?
[06:22] <nosotros_> i can't get audio to work
[06:23] <VHockey87> nosotros_: what application are you trying to play it with?
[06:23] <actinic> Cornellius, you still there?
[06:23] <nosotros_> amarok and xmms
[06:24] <Cornellius> actinic: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, brb
[06:24] <nosotros_> but i get static all the time, even when i'm not playing anything
[06:25] <VHockey87> you don't have a microphone plugged in or anything do you?
[06:25] <Ahmuck> speakers to loud ?
[06:25] <Ahmuck> hearing base noise ?
[06:26] <nosotros_> i don't anything plugged in
[06:26] <nosotros_> and yes, the speakers are loud
[06:26] <Ahmuck> you don't have speakers plugged in ?
[06:26] <actinic> do you see kmix in the panel?
[06:26] <nosotros_> yes
[06:26] <actinic> click it, then click mixer
[06:27] <nosotros_> okey
[06:27] <actinic> master and pcm should be enabled
[06:27] <actinic> in output tab
[06:27] <nosotros_> both are enabled
[06:27] <Cornellius> Yay ! Problem solved
[06:28] <actinic> way to go cornellius!
[06:28] <Cornellius> Just reconfigured Xorg
[06:28] <james_> has anyone in here had any experience getting broadcom wireless cards to work?
[06:28] <nosotros_> (in the right side of output there are 4 Via DXS)
[06:28] <Cornellius> :)
[06:28] <nosotros_> (all the same
[06:28] <actinic> hmm
[06:29] <Ahmuck> james_: yes
[06:29] <actinic> sound card or built-in sound?
[06:29] <nosotros_> built-in
[06:29] <Ahmuck> james_: i didn't, just gave it up.  there is however a howto available for getting broadcom to work
[06:29] <Ahmuck> ! broadcom
[06:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:30] <actinic> !sound
[06:30] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:30] <james_> Ahmuck: i went through a procedure described in ubuntu forums to get my broadcom wireless to work, but now my computer does not see my wireless card at all
[06:30] <actinic> nosotros: sorry, running outta ideas
[06:30] <Ahmuck> evening imbrandon
[06:31] <nosotros_> fuck
[06:31] <nosotros_> i haven't found any solution
[06:31] <nosotros_> i don't know what to do
[06:31] <imbrandon> heya Ahmuck
[06:31] <imbrandon> nosotros_: watch iot
[06:31] <imbrandon> it*
[06:31] <james_> imbrandon: are you a broadcome wireless expert? lol
[06:31] <imbrandon> well keep the language PG please
[06:31] <nosotros_> okey, sorry
[06:31] <Ahmuck> james_: you went through the specific howto for broadcom wireless ?
[06:31] <imbrandon> james_: nope sorry
[06:31] <james_> Ahmuck: yeah , i did
[06:31] <nosotros_> i guess i will have to go back to windows...
[06:32] <imbrandon> nosotros_: whats you problem ?
[06:32] <james_> now my computer does not detect the card at all
[06:32] <nosotros_> audio doesn't work
[06:32] <nosotros_> and all i hear is something like static
[06:33] <james_> nosotros_: keep poking around, there is probably a solution
[06:33] <Ahmuck> james_: lspci, i am currious what card you have
[06:33] <imbrandon> is crimsun arround by chance? he is goot with audio nosotros_
[06:33] <AmazingRuss> re: the broadcom problem....I have to build my own driver to make it work
[06:33] <nosotros_> i have poked around like a week and haven't found anything
[06:33] <OOD> imbrandon: heh i was just thinking that
[06:33] <Ahmuck> er, what chipset
[06:33] <actinic> nosotros, don't forget checking this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:33] <AmazingRuss> er my own ndiswrapper, that is
[06:34] <TheHighChild> how different are the guts of k/ubuntu vs debian?
[06:34] <james_> Ahmuck: 4319 rev 02
[06:34] <Ahmuck> i like it when i can use my portable apps on my usb key in linux and windows both :-)
[06:34] <AmazingRuss> very similar
[06:34] <nosotros_> actinic: i already did that
[06:34] <Ahmuck> under wine
[06:34] <james_> AmazingRuss: there is an open source broadcom driver now
[06:35] <AmazingRuss> cool! where?
[06:35] <Ahmuck> 0000:02:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[06:35] <actinic> nosotros, what motherboard?
[06:35] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: depends on what you mean by guts
[06:35] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: everything but the windowing system
[06:35] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: very diffrent
[06:35] <james_> 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4319 (rev 02)
[06:35] <imbrandon> but very much the same
[06:36] <imbrandon> in that case ;) both
[06:36] <imbrandon> heh
[06:36] <Enos> why is xine the main engine for media?
[06:36] <imbrandon> Enos: why not
[06:36] <crimsun> "because it's better than silence"
[06:36] <nosotros_> actinic: MSI KM3M-V
[06:36] <Enos> imbrandon: It can't decode anything!
[06:36] <imbrandon> heya crimsun ;)
[06:36] <AmazingRuss> I've got the 4401
[06:36] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: Is there anywhere I can get an administration guide for ubuntu dapper? It seems like everything tries to hide the command line way of things, and instead suggests gui ways to do things. I want to master my system from the konsole.
[06:37] <imbrandon> Enos: decodes lots for me just fine, what are you not decoding ?
[06:37] <actinic> nosotros, forgive the obvious but sound is enabled in bios?
[06:37] <nosotros_> actinic: yes
[06:37] <Enos> imbrandon: it doesn't work with mplayer when decoding x.mov file
[06:37] <TheHighChild> I guess 'konsole' would imply that I intend to keep the GUI. lol
[06:37] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: thats becosuse (k)ubuntu is meant to be a user friendly distro not command line centric
[06:37] <Enos> imbrandon: Last time I used mplayer with gentoo it worked like a charm.
[06:37] <OOD> Enos: you need win32 codecs
[06:37] <actinic> well crap man
[06:38] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: I understand and appreciate what it does but I know it has additional capabilities and I want to become more familiar with them.
[06:38] <imbrandon> Enos: have toy installed libxine-extracodecs and or w32codecs ?
[06:38] <Enos> imbrandon: I guess I should
[06:38] <james_> i dunno, maybe i should reinstall kubuntu and start over with this wireless thing
[06:38] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: the read up on debian admin
[06:39] <actinic> TheHighChild: you're due for a stage 1 gentoo install :)
[06:39] <SpAwN> james_: use ndiswrapper
[06:39] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: No matter who you are, if you install ubuntu, you'll need the command line. IMHO, I could never survive the OS if I had no CLI
[06:39] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: thats a matter of opinion
[06:39] <AmazingRuss> #battlezone
[06:39] <gamerChad> ok I did my slow burn of a cd and it still dies in the same way at install
[06:39] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: I figured, that's why I was curious as to how similar they were.
[06:40] <james_> SpAwN: i could not get ndiswrapper to work, and now my computer can't even see my wireless card at all
[06:40] <AmazingRuss> I agree about the command line...ubuntu isn't far along to do without the cmd line
[06:41] <OOD> yea it's getting there
[06:41] <TheHighChild> What happens when adept freaks out? You have to --configure -a. I think CLI use is inevitable. Have you ever used the display section of system tools? Break xorg.conf everytime without fail. That's the sort of thing I am talking about. I't snot a dis on the OS. I love the OS but feel shorted on documentation
[06:41] <james_> you can never do without the command line in linux and it will always be that way (i hope)
[06:41] <imbrandon> ok well this isnt a discussion about command line vs non command line please take those disscussions to #kubuntu-offtopic , try to keep the chan open for support
[06:41] <Cornellius> How to configure the sound now ? My sound is too  "fast" !
[06:42] <actinic> gamerChad: good try at least.
[06:42] <james_> imbrandon: sorry
[06:42] <nosotros_> guess i will try with ubuntu
[06:42] <nosotros_> don't know what else to do
[06:42] <nosotros_> bye
[06:43] <TheHighChild> anyways, I'll read up on my debian docs. I was just curious as to how different they were
[06:43] <Ash-Fox> Is there a graphical editing utility for hardware related kernel modules for kubuntu (There is one for Mandriva called harddrake, and I haven't found a equilivant for it yet).
[06:43] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: as i said vey diffrent and very much thre same depends on specific items/packages
[06:43] <imbrandon> s/vey/very
[06:44] <imbrandon> Ash-Fox: not as far as i know
[06:44] <crimsun> Ash-Fox: what do you need to edit?
[06:45] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: if your wanting to know bout the innards of ubuntu though thats a good place to start alot of it will applie and that witch dont will be similar
[06:45] <OOD> 5'th already over here :P
[06:45] <Ash-Fox> crimsun, I spend a lot of time messing with wi-fi cards under linux. I'd rather not play with rmmod and modprobe too much directly.
[06:45] <imbrandon> apply
[06:45] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: So what is so different? Is there anything specific, aside form the whole sudo atmosphere but is the structure different?
[06:45] <Enos> OOD: You're in the future? wow! how's like?
[06:46] <crimsun> Ash-Fox: so you need something to {un,}load modules?
[06:46] <gamerChad> I worry this might do with the computer.  It is a MS1029 n/otebook with an AMD64 Turion MT-40 (4000+) processor, and ATI Mobility Radeon X700 for graphics.
[06:46] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: yes and know as i said it depends on SPECIFIC diffrences small subtle ones mostly
[06:46] <OOD> Enos: Very dark XD
[06:47] <Ash-Fox> crimsun, no, I need something that can modify hardware attributes, a example of what I would do in the console: rmmod ath_pci && modprobe ath_pci countrycode=616
[06:47] <gamerChad> maybe I'll try installing from the non-live CD
[06:47] <crimsun> Ash-Fox: "hardware attribute"? You mean a module parameter instead?
[06:47] <Ash-Fox> yeah, the module parameters
[06:47] <TheHighChild> imbrandon: Thanks a lot for your time and input. Is there a documentation project that you know of? I tend to write a decent bit and am a goodwriter (IRC aside)
[06:47] <crimsun> Ash-Fox: we don't have anything /automated/, but you can use /etc/modprobe.d/foo
[06:47] <OOD> gamerChad: yea give that a try, you might have more luck
[06:48] <Ash-Fox> Drakconf was able to figure out the paramters and create a GUI for quick modifications
[06:48] <Ash-Fox> err harddrake.
[06:48] <crimsun> echo "options ath_pci countrycode=616" |sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/ath_pci
[06:48] <imbrandon> TheHighChild: not for ubuntu as i said becosue thats not what ubuntus goal is , but debian yes there is lots
[06:48] <crimsun> no, we don't have that. Feel free to work on it.
[06:48] <TheHighChild> Cornellius: Too fast? do mp3's play fast?
[06:48] <Cornellius> TheHighChild: Every sound
[06:49] <Cornellius> TheHighChild: My soundcard took helium ! :)
[06:49] <Enos> lol
[06:49] <imbrandon> lol
[06:49] <Ash-Fox> crimsun, ack, oh well.
[06:49] <TheHighChild> Cornellius: give me a few minutes. I'll see if I can dig anything up
[06:49] <gamerChad> download of alternate cd will be overnight, so I'm gonna leave, later and thanks for the help
[06:49] <imbrandon> Cornellius: you might ask crimsun your specific problem, he is very good with sound issues IMHO
[06:49] <moparisthebest> any ideas how to get your desktop to show again if it "crashed"?
[06:50] <moparisthebest> in other words no icons are there anymore
[06:50] <AmazingRuss> got a console screen?
[06:50] <Cornellius> crimsun: How to configure the sound now ? My sound is too  "fast" !
[06:50] <imbrandon> moparisthebest: at the console ?
[06:50] <OOD> ctrl+Alt+backspace ?
[06:50] <moparisthebest> i can still get there from konqueror and the console
[06:50] <moparisthebest> yea
[06:50] <crimsun> Cornellius: pastebin your ``dmesg''
[06:50] <imbrandon> moparisthebest: type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[06:50] <Cornellius> crimsun: dmesg ?
[06:51] <moparisthebest> ok, thanks
[06:51] <crimsun> Cornellius: yes, type that in a Konsole
[06:52] <imbrandon> moins raphink
[06:52] <Cornellius> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17216
[06:53] <crimsun> Cornellius: you have a hardware bug.
[06:53] <Cornellius> crimsun: :(
[06:53] <Cornellius> crimsun: Doesn't do that in Windows though
[06:53] <crimsun> because the OS works around it
[06:54] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[06:54] <crimsun> you can attempt something similar by unloading snd_intel8x0 and passing ac97_clock=48000 to modprobe snd_intel8x0
[06:54] <Cornellius> crimsun: Could you tell me how to do that ?
[06:55] <crimsun> Cornellius: sudo modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 && sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 ac97_clock=48000
[06:55] <Cornellius> crimsun: FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use.
[06:55] <hey560> hello, how do I get flac to play on amarok 1.4.1
[06:56] <crimsun> Cornellius: so stop whatever's using it.
[06:57] <Cornellius> crimsun: I've been using Dapper non-stop since 1 June. First time that bug happened
[06:57] <crimsun> Cornellius: it happens. hardware problem.
[06:59] <Ash-Fox> Are there any 'neat' repositories I should know about? Besides PLF, Multiverse?
[07:00] <OOD> crimsun: i can't get surround 5.1 going? got any ideas?
[07:00] <imbrandon> !easysource
[07:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:00] <imbrandon> Ash-Fox: ^^
[07:00] <crimsun> OOD: you can't just pop such a question on me without giving context and debugging output.
[07:00] <Ash-Fox> imbrandon, thankyou :)
[07:01] <OOD> crimsun: hmm i wouldn't know what to post specifically
[07:01] <crimsun> OOD: start with ``cat /proc/asound/cards && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer''
[07:01] <OOD> i've got a via 8237, and apparently it can do hardware mixing since i can have 2 OSS apps playing at once
[07:02] <actinic> cripes why does sound continue to be an issue with linux?
[07:02] <crimsun> actinic: because we have to reverse-engineer everything?
[07:02] <actinic> apparantly
[07:02] <actinic> it's getting old
[07:03] <actinic> same stuff i heard last year ... and the year before ... and the year before that ...
[07:03] <crimsun> well then throw some $ at those companies to convince them to provide us developers with data sheets.
[07:03] <imbrandon> actinic: please complain to the sound card mfg then, ask them for tech data sheets
[07:03] <actinic> with < 5% market share who's going to listen?
[07:04] <crimsun> then why are you complaining?
[07:04] <OOD> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/79299
[07:04] <crimsun> s/complaining/stating that/
[07:04] <actinic> i'm not complaining ... mine works
[07:04] <actinic> but it's a BIG issue for people trying out linux
[07:04] <crimsun> are you doing anything to help?
[07:04] <actinic> it's a insurmountable stumbling block
[07:05] <raphink> actinic: you're very welcome to offer your skills to help out with it
[07:05] <AmazingRuss> so much variety in sound cards
[07:05] <actinic> yes, are you?
[07:05] <crimsun> actinic: of course.
[07:05] <raphink> actinic: I think this question shouldn't really be asked to crimsun ;)
[07:05] <actinic> glad to hear it
[07:05] <imbrandon> actinic: yes we all develope ubuntu and other FOSS
[07:05] <raphink> lol
[07:05] <crimsun> actinic: you can look in the kernel changelog.
[07:05] <raphink> hehe
[07:06] <actinic> what's the kernel changelog going to help?
[07:06] <hey560> linux is getting more traction, hardware makers will eventually have to provide support
[07:06] <actinic> if sound developer's aren't releasing code?
[07:06] <imbrandon> actinic: s/we all/crimsun myself and raphink/
[07:06] <raphink> actinic: please stop complaining and begin helping
[07:06] <imbrandon> actinic: i think he means to see his name in there ;)
[07:06] <crimsun> it's evidence that we have to work doubly/triply hard to make sure sound works on /your/ hardware.
[07:06] <raphink> that'll be much more positive
[07:07] <crimsun> I might also add that most of us aren't paid to make your sound hardware work.
[07:07] <raphink> indeed
[07:07] <imbrandon> right
[07:07] <crimsun> anyhow, let's return to support.
[07:07] <actinic> ok, so conclusion is pay people, get results I guess
[07:08] <raphink> I'm actually happy some student named Linus Torvalds didn't just complain his floppy driver didn't work, but got to work instead ;)
[07:08] <imbrandon> raphink: ;)
[07:08] <raphink> actinic: if you're willing to pay some devs, it'll surely help going faster
[07:08] <actinic> just like microsoft
[07:08] <actinic> lol
[07:08] <raphink> actinic: just like microsoft employees, linux hackers need to eat frmo time to time
[07:08] <crimsun> OOD: well, your 'Surround' mixer element is both muted and set to 0 level.
[07:08] <imbrandon> actinic: no this is getting #kubuntu-offtopic but people work without pay look at 85% or better of the ubuntu devs
[07:09] <crimsun> OOD: same for 'Center' and 'LFE'
[07:09] <OOD> crimsun: yea i know, unmuting them does nothing
[07:09] <actinic> it's getting better, no doubt
[07:09] <raphink> imbrandon: yes, but it's good and even normal that full time devs are paid
[07:09] <imbrandon> raphink: yup ;)
[07:09] <crimsun> OOD: you can't just unmute them, you have to set them to a non-zero level as well
[07:09] <actinic> maybe everyone should buy 5 yr old sound cards
[07:10] <raphink> actinic: now THAT's a great solution
[07:10] <raphink> loooooool
[07:10] <crimsun> OOD: note also that 'Duplicate Front' is muted and 'Channel Mode' is set to '2ch'
[07:10] <OOD> crimsun: did that too
[07:10] <raphink> actinic: maybe everyone should use 100 years old cars, too
[07:10] <actinic> :)
[07:10] <raphink> so there wouldn't be a need to develop new cars
[07:10] <nixternal> ;)
[07:10] <crimsun> hey I have an idea. How about instead of whining about sound, we actually fix it?
[07:10] <imbrandon> actinic: maybe every one should ask the mfg for a tech data sheet when they buy a sound card , but as i and crimsun said #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:10] <raphink> nixternal: ;)
[07:11] <crimsun> I could use a little help.
[07:11] <imbrandon> nixternal: shush we have already established that ;)
[07:11] <nixternal> ;p
[07:11] <imbrandon> crimsun: i;m with you
[07:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:11] <actinic> ok, i eagerly await the next 'i can't get my sound to work" question
[07:11] <raphink> same here :)
[07:11] <crimsun> actinic: you don't have to wait, even. Search Launchpad for "sound" and help out.
[07:11] <raphink> most of my free time is given to FOSS :)
[07:11] <OOD> crimsun: alright i've fixed all that (though i've tried before)
[07:12] <crimsun> OOD: now use xine to play a dvd
[07:12] <imbrandon> actinic: now please we have tried to awnser you questions truefully dont turn this into a troll
[07:12] <imbrandon> raphink: same here :) infact all my fre time is ;)
[07:13] <raphink> actinic: I might also point out that this channel is _not_ a hotline
[07:13] <actinic> np, there's plenty else to complain about
[07:13] <raphink> if you have requests to be made to companies, go see RH
[07:13] <actinic> elsewhere
[07:13] <OOD> crimsun: wow..... it works
[07:13] <crimsun> heh
[07:13] <raphink> if you are willing to have something implemented on your money, propose a bounty
[07:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:13] <francolq_> hello. i am planning to upgrade from kubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 LTS using Adept. Anybody did this and had problems?
[07:13] <raphink> and if you really want it to work, get to work yourselfr
[07:13] <OOD> crimsun: it was the duplicate front all this time
[07:13] <actinic> raphink, what's your contribution been?  i didn't catch that
[07:13] <imbrandon> francolq_: please follow the faq at ...
[07:13] <crimsun> OOD: yeah, that's pretty standard. I'll think about enabling(unmuting) that by default in Edgy.
[07:13] <imbrandon> !uograde
[07:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about uograde
[07:14] <imbrandon> !upgrade
[07:14] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[07:14] <raphink> not too hard to go see on LP actinic : http://gallery.raphink.info/main.php?g2_itemId=11182
[07:14] <raphink> sorry
[07:14] <raphink> wrong link
[07:14] <raphink> huhu
[07:14] <raphink> actinic: https://launchpad.net/people/raphink
[07:14] <OOD> crimsun: *sighs* finally ! thanks a bunch, well linux just get better :D, again thanks, and for all your hard work too :)
[07:15] <crimsun> OOD: np
[07:15] <actinic> raphink, that explains everything.  thanks
[07:15] <raphink> OOD: :)
[07:15] <imbrandon> actinic: and mine http://launchpad.net/people/imbrandon and cimsun is there as well ( as are all ubuntu dev's / contributors )
[07:15] <imbrandon> actinic: whats that mater
[07:15] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/people/crimsun this is crimsun's
[07:15] <actinic> good stuff
[07:16] <imbrandon> yay crimsun another ones bites the dust ( snd problem )
[07:16] <actinic> here's my little helpful linux links contri: http://www.whatsinyourbox.org/index.php?topic=1714.msg27572#msg27572
[07:18] <raphink> that's nice actinic, we need people to write doc, too ;)
[07:20] <raphink> and of course gathering useful links is also a nice contrib
[07:21] <OOD> crimsun: just noticed my middle speaker isn't playing
[07:21] <OOD> out of the 5.1
[07:27] <raphink> pfiew the python deps are a bit of a mess right now
[07:27] <TheHighChild> actinic: nice link dude, thanks
[07:29] <actinic> no prob man, I worked hard on it
[07:29] <actinic> bye
[07:29] <raphink> hmpf
[07:29] <raphink> no comment
[07:30] <imbrandon> lol
[07:30] <imbrandon> btw thanks for the imb java link crimsun that fixed me right up
[07:30] <imbrandon> ibm*\
[07:31] <raphink> he worked hard on it
[07:31] <imbrandon> lol raphink shhhhh
[07:31] <imbrandon> ;) j/k
[07:36] <Zaire> !nvidia
[07:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:37] <crimsun> OOD: try setting 'Surround Jack Mode' to 'Independent'
[07:39] <Healot> zaire: figured out that yet?
[07:40] <OOD> doesn't work, but hey, i just about gave up on getting surround working in linux and i got used to it, one speaker won't make much difference
[07:40] <OOD> again, thanks alot
[07:41] <SpAwN> hello what is there a bundled package that has updatedb and locate in it?
[07:41] <raphink> crimsun: is there a manual way to request rebuild of a failed build ?
[07:42] <raphink> SpAwN: iirc, locate&updatedb are installed by default
[07:42] <crimsun> raphink: besides pinging scott or adam, I don't know of one
[07:42] <raphink> ok
[07:43] <SpAwN> ahh....wow....had several terminals opened.......was sshed into a diff computer.......and was thinking it was this one
[07:43] <raphink> SpAwN: otherwise, dpkg -S /usr/lib/locate says locate is provided by the findutils package
[07:44] <raphink> SpAwN: do you know you can set Konsole to tell you on which machine you are in the tab you're using?
[07:44] <SpAwN> ahh thank you raphink
[07:44] <Healot> findutils, slocate << has locate and updatedb
[07:44] <imbrandon> or on rpm based distros its most of the time in slocate
[07:44] <raphink> yep
[07:44] <raphink> imbrandon: thankfully, kubuntu is not rpm based :)
[07:44] <SpAwN> raphink: yea....just had overlooked it......and somtimes my terminal window name wont chaneg
[07:44] <imbrandon> raphink: very true ;)
[07:45] <raphink> (got enough of RHEL at work)
[07:45] <imbrandon> SpAwN: hehe thats when user@hostname is good ;)
[07:45] <SpAwN> hehe
[07:45] <Zaire> does anyone in here know where I can get the Envy_8762_32 file for dapper I need it for my Nvidia driver install
[07:45] <raphink> SpAwN: when  you use a bastion to access an ssh account, it won't show it in the tab :(
[07:45] <imbrandon> raphink: yea i'm an old suse junkie before debian / ubuntu ;)
[07:45] <OOD> Zaire: there's an easier way, you can apt the nvidia driver
[07:46] <raphink> imbrandon: hehe :)
[07:46] <Zaire> I know but I want to install the actual Nvidia driver
[07:46] <SpAwN> Zaire: i had the same prob
[07:46] <SpAwN> ....never found afix
[07:46] <Zaire> its being difficult for me
[07:46] <OOD> hmm
[07:46] <SpAwN> yea it says it builds fine...then just locks up your computer?
[07:46] <imbrandon> Zaire: it is " sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx "
[07:46] <Zaire> I know
[07:47] <OOD> then sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:47] <Zaire> there is a way to get the real nvidia driver I just need that Envy_8762_32 file
[07:47] <OOD> anyway, here are the scripts: http://www.albertomilone.eu/europeo/nvidia_scripts1.html
[07:47] <imbrandon> Zaire: that is the "real" nvidia binary driver
[07:47] <OOD> Zaire: the one in the apt repository is the real one o.0
[07:47] <imbrandon> just repackaged
[07:47] <OOD> and easier to install
[07:47] <imbrandon> for ubuntu
[07:48] <Zaire> well just need drivers right now to try and get twinview to work again
[07:49] <raphink> crimsun: do you think https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-kde3/+bug/51919  is a good way to request a rebuild ?
[07:49] <OOD> the one with the script and the one in the apt repository is the same driver
[07:49] <OOD> just a different way of installing it
[07:49] <Zaire> yea ones direct from the nvidia site one isnt
[07:49] <OOD> yes it is
[07:49] <OOD> do you know what the script does?
[07:50] <imbrandon> yes it is
[07:50] <Zaire> yes script downloads it from the nvidia ftp
[07:50] <crimsun> raphink: ouch, I'd subscribe ubuntu-archive not assign it to them
[07:50] <imbrandon> Zaire: they are exactly the same driver
[07:50] <raphink> crimsun: what does it change in that case?
[07:51] <crimsun> raphink: Colin mentioned disapproving of assigning stuff to ubuntu-archive
[07:51] <Zaire> oh well either way Im gonna install the driver
[07:51] <raphink> crimsun: ah ok, sorry
[07:51] <raphink> I'll change that then
[07:51] <OOD> Zaire: what the script does is it downloads the nvidia driver from the nvidia site and compiles it into a module
[07:52] <raphink> crimsun: there https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-kde3/+bug/51919 :)
[07:52] <OOD> Zaire: the one in apt is already a module and so it's quicker to get running
[07:52] <OOD> but they're the exact same thing
[07:54] <KaiserSuse> Anyone running a VNC server?
[07:55] <imbrandon> i have in the past not atm what ya need KaiserSuse
[07:56] <KaiserSuse> imbrandon: I have installed vnc4server and configured to run from inetd... but when I connect to it all I get is a gray X screen
[07:56] <KaiserSuse> imbrandon: it seems that kdm will not run there
[07:56] <imbrandon> hmmm
[07:57] <raphink> do you have a session started on the server?
[07:57] <RobNyc_C> http://www.ycgf.org/
[07:57] <raphink> like, vnc is not rdesktop, it doesn't start graphical sessions, only use existing ones
[07:57] <raphink> iirc
[07:57] <imbrandon> RobNyc_C: please dont advertise in here
[07:58] <KaiserSuse> raphink: it can start new sessions... it all depends on configuration
[07:58] <raphink> KaiserSuse: ah ok
[07:58] <RobNyc_C> imbrandon, im not advertising
[07:59] <Snake> any amarok 1.4.1 packages?
[07:59] <Healot> !info amarok
[07:59] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 7630 kB, installed size 18672 kB
[07:59] <Healot> the lastest of ubuntu is 1.3.9, i guess KDE's site has the latest
[08:00] <imbrandon> Snake: i will pkg them later
[08:00] <Snake> imbrandon: getem up man!
[08:00] <Snake> Healot: Im aware of that, 1.4.1 was just released, Didnt expect them to be repoed :)
[08:00] <Healot> i guess you can always package it yourself
[08:01] <Snake> I know, but that takes time
[08:01] <Snake> But I might just do that
[08:01] <raphink> Snake: hmmm for your interest, developers run make quite all the time
[08:01] <raphink> ;)
[08:01] <raphink> often on their own machines
[08:01] <raphink> so you can have packages
[08:01] <Snake> raphink: huh?
[08:02] <imbrandon> heheh
[08:02] <raphink> Snake: we have to make and test packages, so we run it all the time ;)
[08:02] <Snake> raphink: Oh, I know, but you signed up for that deal :P
[08:02] <imbrandon> Snake: just keep my repo in your sources , when i package it it will replace the 1.4.1beta1 youj have installed
[08:02] <raphink> I know no other way to build packages than to ... err ... build them :)
[08:02] <Snake> imbrandon: i lost that
[08:02] <Snake> imbrandon: reformated
[08:02] <raphink> :)
[08:02] <unix_infidel> does anyone know of an equivalent to mandriva's rebootin script?
[08:02] <imbrandon> Snake: ok np when i get done i'll tell you how to add it , it will be a few hours
[08:03] <unix_infidel> other than just changing the default in grub.
[08:03] <raphink> unix_infidel: mandriva's rebootin script? what does it do?
[08:03] <Snake> imbrandon: im just buildin my own, my machine hasnt worked to hard for a while :)
[08:03] <imbrandon> lol ok
[08:03] <unix_infidel> raphink: it lets you pass a string to the script that says reboot in with this OS mentioned in lilo.
[08:03] <unix_infidel> so you dont have to sit there while your system goes to reboot and then POST and then grub.
[08:03] <raphink> unix_infidel: there's such an option in grub, but it's turned of in ubuntu because grub has been patched in ubuntu
[08:03] <Snake> imbrandon: LOL @ The amarok homepage!!
[08:03] <raphink> so it doesn't work
[08:03] <Snake> Scientists have discovered a new species, a species that doesn't eat, doesn't sleep, and doesn't socialize. They have named this species Amarok developers
[08:04] <raphink> unix_infidel: you should talk about that with mvo if you want it implemented
[08:04] <raphink> imo
[08:04] <unix_infidel> mvo?
[08:04] <raphink> unix_infidel: yep, mvo :)
[08:04] <unix_infidel> i'm assuming he's a dev?
[08:04] <raphink> although he's not online right now it seems
[08:04] <imbrandon> unix_infidel: yes
[08:05] <raphink> unix_infidel: https://launchpad.net/people/mvo
[08:05] <raphink> he is the one responsible for grub
[08:05] <unix_infidel> raphink: thanks. I'll talk to him if I ever see him around here...or shoot him an email or something.
[08:05] <unix_infidel> http://librarian.launchpad.net/1072360/mvo.png
[08:06] <raphink> sure
[08:06] <unix_infidel> LOL, he looks like suns's CEO
[08:06] <Snake> lol
[08:07] <Snake> imbrandon: oooo I found an amarok debby :)
[08:07] <Snake> http://thepiratecove.org/files/amarok-1.4.1_i386.deb
[08:08] <Snake> except it doesnt work
[08:08] <Snake> w00t
[08:09] <raphink> isn't there one on kubuntu.org too Snake?
[08:09] <raphink> Snake: otherwise, ask jpatrick when he's online
[08:09] <raphink> he takes care of amarok repackaging lately
[08:09] <Snake> raphink: not a 1.4.1
[08:09] <Snake> a 1.4.0a
[08:09] <raphink> Snake: ask jpatrick when he'll be there
[08:10] <Snake> raphink: mhmm
[08:10] <imbrandon> raphink: not 1.4.1 and i've been packaging the kubuntu.org ones ;)
[08:10] <imbrandon> lately
[08:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:10] <raphink> from 1.4.0a to 1.4.1 should be only an uupdate away to update the package
[08:10] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[08:10] <raphink> hi Seveas && Hobbsee
[08:10] <imbrandon> heya Seveas
[08:12] <Snake> im off to bed
[08:12] <Snake> night
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon and raphink
[08:20] <mebsd> is ubuntu a live linux os?
[08:20] <mebsd> is mplayer included in ubuntu?
[08:21] <word> mebsd: can be and not sure but i have it...
[08:21] <crimsun> mebsd: when run from the live cd, yes
[08:21] <crimsun> mebsd: mplayer is not included on the cd. It's available in multiverse.
[08:21] <SpAwN> !restricted
[08:21] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:21] <SpAwN> mebsd: ^^ see that about mplayer
[08:23] <mebsd> so where is the list for software in kubuntu live cd
[08:25] <Healot> !seveas
[08:25] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:25] <Seveas> !healot
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about healot
[08:26] <Healot> just checking your repos
[08:27] <posthuman> does anyone know of a program that can record what you do on your desktop (visually..ie make a video file).  I want to show someone what xgl can do.
[08:28] <exceswater> posthuman: i know something like that for win... fraps :D
[08:28] <exceswater> but i dunno for linux
[08:32] <OOD> posthuman: http://wolphination.com/linux/2006/06/30/how-to-record-videos-of-your-desktop/
[08:32] <exceswater> Lunar_Raven: here it is
[08:32] <exceswater> http://www.sdicgm.com/dtTools.html
[08:32] <exceswater> hehe
[08:33] <Zaire> well that seriously bombed out on me
[08:33] <SpAwN> how come the the nvidia-glx driver is supposedly the same one as off the official site....but the one that ubuntu installs  fails the tests that cedega runs?
[08:33] <exceswater> i think we should investigate this mulder :d
[08:33] <SpAwN> where as b4 when i manualy installed the driver everything passed
[08:34] <Lunar_Raven> haha
[08:34] <Lunar_Raven> thanks
[08:34] <exceswater> what i gave you it's trial
[08:35] <exceswater> but :D enough i hope for what u need
[08:35] <Zaire> can anyone tell me whats wrong with this and why I can't restart X server when I use this config http://pastebin.ca/79331
[08:39] <stallion88> hi everybody
[08:40] <stallion88> anybody knows how to compile??
[08:40] <Healot> gcc source.c?
[08:40] <Healot> !build-essential
[08:40] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[08:41] <lowtech> Zaire: whats it doing?
[08:41] <stallion88> thanks! :)
[08:47] <Zaire> I cant restart X server I get an error
[08:47] <WarOfAttrition> Zaire: what does it say?
[08:51] <Zaire> jsec while I get the piece of paper with it on it
[08:52] <TalentedChimp> i work in a korean environment - i am the ony person using an english OS - when using the smb browser in konqueror the workgroup names show as garbage
[08:53] <TalentedChimp> ... so do the computer names, but the folder names are ok (displayed in korean)
[08:53] <Zaire> fatal server error: no screens found XI0: fatal I0 error 104 (connection reset by peer) 0 Xserver ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[08:53] <TalentedChimp> switching dm language to korean doesn't help
[08:54] <TalentedChimp> installing the korean kde i18n package didn't help
[08:54] <WarOfAttrition> Zaire: that's the entire message?
[08:55] <Zaire> yeps
[08:55] <TalentedChimp> does anyone have any clues or know where i can get help to resolve this issue?
[08:55] <WarOfAttrition> does it say anything about "error in line" or something like that?
[08:55] <Zaire> not that I know of
[08:55] <TalentedChimp> PS. all other OS's are windows
[08:56] <WarOfAttrition> was it working before?
[08:56] <Zaire> that was the whole message and the thing is I followed a help guide for the xorg settings
[08:57] <WarOfAttrition> TalentedChimp: I know it's not what you're asking, but I know the gnome setup displays asian text just fine.
[08:57] <Zaire> yea my original xorg worked fine I had to restore it to fixe the problem
[08:58] <WarOfAttrition> Zaire: then it should be telling you which line is the problem?
[08:58] <TalentedChimp> hmm, i don't like gnome
[08:58] <lowtech> Zaire: When it fails you need to look at /var/log/xorg.0.log for more on the error
[08:58] <TalentedChimp> but thanks for the info
[08:59] <lowtech> hm, might be Xorg.0.log
[08:59] <TalentedChimp> but it's not about displaying asian text (like on web pages and such - that works fine) it's just the workgroup and computer names in the SMB browser
[08:59] <unix_infidel> hey lowtech
[09:00] <Zaire> damn this thing is being a pain
[09:00] <TalentedChimp> smb4k doesn't work
[09:01] <lowtech> hey unix_infidel
[09:01] <WarOfAttrition> TalentedChimp: Yes I knew what you meant, nautilus and everything displays those texts fine
[09:02] <Zaire> WarOfAttrition: heres the xorg log http://pastebin.ca/79339
[09:02] <Muhendis_suat_> guys
[09:02] <TalentedChimp> ok, installing nautilus now
[09:03] <WarOfAttrition> TalentedChimp: that's a gnome file manager though, you know that right
[09:03] <TalentedChimp> yes
[09:04] <TalentedChimp> i know it can be done, there's a korean distro called Haansoft Linux in which it displays fine
[09:04] <TalentedChimp> ...in kde
[09:05] <WarOfAttrition> Zaire: do you have a wacom tablet installed?
[09:06] <Zaire> wth is a wacom tablet lol
[09:06] <WarOfAttrition> that's what's giving you the error, there is no /dev/wacom
[09:07] <lowtech> graphics tablet
[09:07] <WarOfAttrition> it's an input device, but if that's not what you're trying to install, then there is your error
[09:07] <bam_> a sweet one at that
[09:07] <Zaire> k so how do I fix it
[09:08] <bam_> dunno ..I have only used one in...gulp...dare I say it
[09:08] <bam_> ....windoz
[09:08] <lowtech> get a wacom tablet. heh
[09:08] <WarOfAttrition> try blanking out all "Section"s that include anything with wacom particularly /dev/wacom
[09:08] <lowtech> i'd say comment out everything for wacom
[09:08] <Zaire> dunno where anything like that would be located in the xorg
[09:08] <navin> close
[09:08] <navin> oops. sorry
[09:09] <WarOfAttrition> Zaire: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root
[09:09] <navin> me new at irc!!
[09:09] <WarOfAttrition> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <Zaire> I know about editing in command its just odd that anything like that would give me trouble when I didn't even add it
[09:09] <lowtech> Zaire: you'll see them as you rea through it
[09:10] <WarOfAttrition> it's there by default, I don't know why, since the /dev/wacom is the serial tablet, and they don't even sell those anymore
[09:10] <lowtech> make sure you get the Section and End Sections
[09:11] <TalentedChimp> nautilus tells me "smb:/// is not a valid location"
[09:12] <Zaire> found it but then why does the problem only occur when the xorg is modified
[09:12] <lowtech> Zaire was also getting a lot of warnings on the generic monitor for refresh rates, those might also need checked
[09:12] <WarOfAttrition> that's the config for x server
[09:13] <WarOfAttrition> TalentedChimp: it was bound not to work, you probably need the ubuntu install altogether
[09:13] <Zaire> well I know that but once its modified it give the error not before despite the wacom lines are there by default
[09:13] <TalentedChimp> installing gnome, seeing if that helps, if not then reinstall Ubuntu
[09:14] <ubuntu_> yo
[09:14] <TalentedChimp> 152 packages
[09:14] <ubuntu_> how do i change servers
[09:14] <ubuntu_> ?
[09:15] <alexicon> heya
[09:15] <alexicon> has anyone here had weird problems with audio encoding/decoding
[09:15] <alexicon> and or with amarok and xine sound devices...
[09:16] <TalentedChimp> does anyone have experience of setting up/using the Wildfire Jabber server?
[09:18] <Healot> the developers?
[09:19] <larson9999> lowtech yeah, what's the wacom stuff?  it gets put into my xorg, too.
[09:19] <Zaire> brb gonna restart X
[09:20] <Zaire> ok kdm restarted however I still don't have dual monitors
[09:20] <TalentedChimp> wacom is a graphics/drawing tablet
[09:20] <TalentedChimp> wacom tablet is anyway - i'm sure they make other stuff
[09:21] <larson9999> TalentedChimp: i know that but i don't have one so i'm curious why it gets added to my xorg
[09:21] <larson9999> xorg.conf that is
[09:21] <WarOfAttrition> for compatibility.
[09:21] <Zaire> damnit and now kubuntu is only detecting 1 monitor
[09:21] <WarOfAttrition> the sad thing is, even when you have one, you still have to configure xorg to get it right
[09:21] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: shouldn't it get added only if i have one?
[09:22] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: that's what I would do
[09:22] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: unless i'm bonkers the other distros i've tried don't put it in
[09:22] <larson9999> oh well.
[09:23] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: I've seen some that do
[09:23] <WarOfAttrition> but strangely, they were missing the usb hookups, so they didn't even work.
[09:23] <larson9999> actually i do have a tablet somewhere but not a pen for it so i've never used it
[09:24] <WarOfAttrition> I have an old tablet, need to get a new one
[09:24] <lowtech> Zaire: what is the second monitor?
[09:24] <TalentedChimp> not in Mandriva
[09:24] <Zaire> both are CRT I have a Hansol 17" and a Sceptre 17"
[09:25] <Zaire> one is using a DVi to VGa converter
[09:25] <lowtech> oh, ok
[09:26] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: you do need a special pen to use them, right?
[09:26] <lowtech> i forgot to ask Hawkwind for a copy of his xorg.conf for dual monitors
[09:26] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: it usually comes with the tablet
[09:26] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: not all the time when you buy one for 15 cents at a yard sale
[09:27] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: nope, but new, I mean
[09:27] <lowtech> i've never seen the pen sold separatly
[09:27] <WarOfAttrition> well you can buy spare pens
[09:27] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: just trying to confirm that i can't use this without buying a stylus.  the pens are on ebay separately
[09:28] <Zaire> ok I hate my Nvidia so very much
[09:28] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: there's a good chance it's broken if you got it for 15 cents
[09:28] <lowtech> oh, nice
[09:28] <larson9999> the pens are expensive.
[09:28] <WarOfAttrition> you should see the tablets
[09:28] <WarOfAttrition> the one I'm eyeing costs 500
[09:29] <bioticpro> I need help configuring a playstation style usb controller in kde, can someone help?
[09:29] <lowtech> Zaire: just a config problem. if you can wait till tomorrow i can get a working xorg.conf you can compare to.
[09:30] <Zaire> k cause its P**sing me off that I don't have dual monitors lol
[09:30] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: i buy almost all my hw on the cheap and have pretty good success actually. even with 'bad' hds.  i low level format fixes them pretty well (knock on wood).  i just looked and i actually have two tablets.  look like the same model. light blue in color.  but no pens.
[09:31] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: probably graphire2s
[09:31] <lowtech> Zaire: ok, catch me tomorrow
[09:31] <larson9999> zaire i think you're in trouble in linux if you don't like nvidia.  at least i always hear that ati is worse.
[09:31] <lowtech> ati is ok, but way harder to set up
[09:31] <Zaire> dunno a friend of mine uses Kubuntu and has an X800
[09:31] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: i'm in business if i can find a 15 cent pen :)
[09:32] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: like I said, don't get your hopes up for that price. they probably tossed it for a reason
[09:32] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:32] <Zaire> I want to buy a graphics pad for doing Case mod designs lol
[09:32] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: i know won works as a friend tested it.
[09:33] <larson9999> but that was a couple years ago
[09:33] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: well you could get a pen fairly cheap
[09:33] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: last i looked $30 was the cheapest i could find
[09:34] <WarOfAttrition> that's a rip off
[09:34] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: what does the pen have in it something that tells the tablet where it is?
[09:34] <WarOfAttrition> I was stupid enough to pay $10 for new pen nibs. Used the pen so much the tip wore down
[09:34] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: what should one cost?
[09:35] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: yea something like that. it's some kind of electro-static positioning
[09:35] <lowtech> and pressure sensor
[09:35] <bam_> how would one download all files in one directory using wget?
[09:35] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: not sure, check www.wacom.com
[09:36] <WarOfAttrition> oh yea that too, pressure
[09:36] <lowtech> bam_: *.* ?
[09:36] <bam_> tried...gave atitude
[09:37] <thompa> why do i get nvidia logo on some computers but not this one?
[09:38] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: seems the $30 is still the price on ebay
[09:39] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: sounds bad to me for a tablet that's not guaranteed to work well
[09:40] <larson9999> WarOfAttrition: yeah, i didn't want to shell out $30 for something i don't know if i'd like to use even if it does work well
[09:40] <thompa> is there any kind of hardware diagnostic tool?
[09:41] <WarOfAttrition> larson9999: to use as a mouse a tablet is annoying fast
[09:41] <lowtech> thompa: is it a faster box with a faster/better video card?
[09:41] <thompa> its a 660 card
[09:41] <thompa> its already acting wierd again
[09:41] <thompa> openoffice text seems to melt
[09:42] <thompa> new power supply, 1G ram, but the no logo thing worries me again
[09:42] <Zaire> mine doesn't give the logo either
[09:43] <thompa> sometimes the graphics seem to slow down
[09:43] <thompa> Zaire: are you running nvidia?
[09:43] <Zaire> yeps
[09:43] <lowtech> if its a fast box and card, sometimes its too quick
[09:43] <WarOfAttrition>     Option "NoLogo" "True" - in the "Device" section will disable it
[09:43] <Zaire> XFX FX 5200
[09:43] <lowtech> whats 'glxinfo | grep render' say?
[09:44] <thompa> i saw the logo before
[09:44] <thompa> before dapper that is
[09:44] <Zaire> all other distros showed logo for me to but not dapper either
[09:44] <thompa> direct rendering: Yes
[09:44] <thompa> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6600 GT/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[09:44] <thompa>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[09:45] <lowtech> then 3D is working
[09:45] <Healot> yes, that's a working 3D acceleration
[09:46] <thompa> been here before, this is a new install on same box, i replaced power supply
[09:46] <Zaire> by all other distros I mean mandriva, mandrake, redhat 9, fedora core 3, Suse 10.1 64, debian
[09:46] <WarOfAttrition> I don't like the logo, I disable it
[09:46] <thompa> why is openoffice text .. gets wobbly
[09:46] <Zaire> I just like to know a driver install worked thats all
[09:46] <Healot> are you opening Microsoft Office files? thompa
[09:46] <thompa> i dont like the logo but was thinking something is not installed right
[09:47] <WarOfAttrition> nvidia has been fairly reliable on linux for me
[09:47] <thompa> no im just typing
[09:47] <Zaire> same here
[09:48] <Zaire> redhat 9 forces me to install in text mode then install my drivers before I can boot into the GUI but my friends ATi worked right off
[09:48] <larson9999> everyonce in a while one of the drivers will do something funny like display all borked up after leaving x
[09:48] <thompa> last time i lost half my document
[09:48] <tulga> I need install nvidia driver. but nvidia require custom kernel. please send me howto guide URL.
[09:48] <Riis> is their a livecd version of kubuntu?
[09:49] <larson9999> Riis: yep
[09:49] <scheuri> Riis: check www.kubuntu.org
[09:49] <thompa> maybe my montitor settings are off, its 1440x900 lcd
[09:50] <larson9999> is there a
[09:50] <larson9999> !nvidia
[09:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:50] <Riis> hmm, which image do I download?
[09:50] <larson9999> Riis: i think livecd is in the name
[09:51] <scheuri> Riis: for LIVECD its the "desktop CD"
[09:51] <Riis> ok
[09:51] <scheuri> Riis: the "desktop CD" has the livecd feature...the others (server and alternate) dont
[09:52] <jc-denton> my muet, vol up/down keys stopped to work
[09:52] <jc-denton> and i don't know why
[09:52] <Riis> scheuri: ok, thanks
[09:52] <Zaire> ok UT2k4 install looks wierd compared to before
[09:52] <scheuri> Riis: very welcome
[09:52] <jc-denton> but i choosed the right keyboard, because it worked earlier
[09:53] <scheuri> am I still here
[09:53] <scheuri> yes...sorry...mangled my rj45
[09:54] <larson9999> night
[09:54] <fek> moin
[10:01] <Zaire> why is it I can get Unreal Tourny 2004 to install and run on redhat 9 but no other linux distros
[10:01] <bioticpro> Zaire: works fine in PClinuxOS, just go grab the SuperGamer version, comes with Americas Army, UT2004, Quake4, Doom3... and more
[10:02] <alexicon> Zaire: it works fine for me on gentoo
[10:02] <Ademan_> what should a windows XP kernal look like in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:02] <Zaire> Dos
[10:02] <Zaire> usually
[10:03] <Healot> title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[10:03] <Healot> root            (hd0,0)
[10:03] <Healot> chainloader     +1 >> just like that
[10:03] <Zaire> dunno Ive only ever gotten UT2k4 to run on redhat 9 albeit without audio
[10:04] <Healot> Windows doesn;'t have kernel entry like Linux...
[10:04] <Zaire> yea in bootloaders Ive seen it shows up as Dos
[10:05] <Healot> it's the legacy bs of grub... it still see Windows as DOS hohohoho
[10:05] <Zaire> I laugh at it, its funny lol
[10:05] <Healot> because the boot loader is the practically the same...
[10:05] <kosh> it is not a legacy bs
[10:05] <kosh> windows even up through w2k3 boots the same way that dos does
[10:05] <Healot> it's a bs anyways...
[10:06] <Zaire> windows sux anyway so I find it amusing lol
[10:06] <kosh> and last I heard there is no good way to detect which type of system it is so why should it matter?
[10:06] <Healot> windows doesn't suck, DOS does :)
[10:06] <kosh> why does a title of Dos or Windows NT or whatever make any difference?
[10:06] <Zaire> .......nah Im pretty sure windows sux lol
[10:07] <Healot> kosh: cause it is a bs?
[10:07] <Lynoure> Lately I have been trying to specify which windows I mean, MS windows or X windows or what...
[10:07] <kosh> try doing large database develoment on windows and then tell me it doesn't suck
[10:07] <kosh> Healot: why do you say it is bs, can you be specific in any way?
[10:07] <Zaire> try doing anything on windows then telling me it doesn't suck lol
[10:07] <kosh> it is good for games
[10:07] <Healot> Why, because my grub entry automatically put Windows XP :)
[10:08] <kosh> and what is wrong with that?
[10:08] <Healot> DOS? give me a break
[10:08] <Zaire> I would rather not play games then run windows
[10:08] <kosh> healot you are just trolling
[10:08] <kosh> you have not given a single actual arguement
[10:08] <Healot> I think other distros grub still do the DOS thing...
[10:09] <kosh> thankfully irc clients have ignore :) byebye
[10:09] <Healot> whatever
[10:09] <Zaire> actually Lilo does to
[10:09] <Healot> not talking to you in the first place
[10:10] <Zaire> at this point nothing said positive towards windows will change my view of the spyware adware and malware ridden OC
[10:10] <Zaire> OS*
[10:14] <vlt> Hello. I have a problem with "gam_server" consuming 20 % cpu per user once a day. How to fix that on a fresh kubuntu Dapper (updated)?
[10:15] <Zaire> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[10:15] <Zaire> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[10:15] <Zaire> History:
[10:15] <Zaire> Exiting due to error
[10:16] <Zaire> and UT does it again
[10:19] <Zaire> gah and no package candidate for xmms
[10:19] <Healot> !info xmms
[10:19] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 1029 kB, installed size 7256 kB
[10:21] <RawSewage> whats the difference between info and without info
[10:22] <Healot> !help
[10:22] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:23] <RawSewage> ty
[10:29] <ryouga> lol
[10:30] <skadjhasiljdhasj> *
[10:34] <TheHighChild> does anyone know how to set kwallet to once per login?
[10:37] <Healot> save a password, and next re-enter the password, and kwallet will prompt you about the password "Allow Once", etc...
[10:38] <Trackilizer> I set the default MP3 player to XMMS, but everytime i click on a MP3 it is opened by amarok.
[10:38] <Trackilizer> How do i change this?
[10:40] <TheHighChild> Trackilizer: Where did you change the file association at?
[10:40] <jenton> what tool can I use to concat mpeg4 .avi files?
[10:40] <TheHighChild> also, are you able to right click and "open with" xmms?
[10:41] <Trackilizer> I right clicked on an MP3 file, went to open with and chose the option to remeber to  use that ap to open MP3s
[10:41] <Trackilizer> But then after simply clicking on a MP3 file, it was opend by amarok, instead of XMMS
[10:41] <TheHighChild> Trackilizer: Right click on any mp3 and select 'properties'
[10:42] <TheHighChild> Trackilizer: then click the little wrench below the filename
[10:42] <TheHighChild> Trackilizer: make sure that xmms is at the top of that list
[10:42] <Trackilizer> CRAP! everything just froze, be back in a bit!
[10:53] <Electryfier> anyone know where to find the Qt libraries?
[10:53] <Electryfier> anyone know where to find the Qt libraries?
[10:54] <Electryfier> hellooooooooooo
[10:54] <Electryfier> :(
[10:55] <Electryfier> :|
[10:56] <chj> Hi. Could anyone please tell me how to disable Konqueror showing links in little yellow boxes when ctrl is pressed?
[10:57] <Electryfier> don't ask me, I need help to find Qt libraries
[11:27] <Dunedan> Hi guys! Does anybody know a tutorial to install kubuntu on a MacBook? Or does anybody have done that?
[11:40] <krinns> hi all
[11:41] <krinns> i want to highpoint rocket raid card on kubuntu
[11:41] <krinns> on high point site i got opensource driver
[11:41] <krinns> now how i compile it and at boot kubuntu can pick it up
[11:48] <ubuntu_> I reinstalled system and I backup all deb files from /var/cache/apt. Can i use these files now? because my connection very slow for update
[11:53] <franz_> how can I install a button on my panel to show/hide desktop/running programs ?  It was there on a different distribution i used before kubuntu
[11:55] <cox377> does anyone here use winamp under linux?
[11:56] <rob> cox377, try xmms or something else instead :)
[11:56] <cox377> yeh, do use xmms but do love the old winamp
[11:56] <cox377> :            )
[11:57] <rob> tried bmp?
[11:57] <rob> or even amarok
[11:58] <cox377> bmp?
[12:01] <mebsd> how do i make dsl connection with kubuntu
[12:06] <emonkey> mebsd, pppoeconf
[12:06] <emonkey> !ppoeconf
[12:06] <ubotu> I know nothing about ppoeconf
[12:06] <emonkey> !pppoeconf
[12:06] <ubotu> I know nothing about pppoeconf
[12:06] <emonkey> !pppoe
[12:06] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[12:15] <cox377> how do you mount a share drive so you can stream right from it?
[12:31] <ubuntu__> what packages will need to be installed in order to build the cvs version of the rt2500 drive?
[12:31] <azcazandco> hello folks
[12:31] <imachine1> hi.
[12:31] <azcazandco> Can anybody help me find where my kde theme manager is?  I think I managed to install a theme but have no idea where to access the manager :(
[12:31] <azcazandco> I am running kubuntu
[12:32] <azcazandco> also, cannot find a nice click and show desktop function in kubuntu like there is in gnome, am I missing something stupid?
[12:33] <Emess> anyone know of a site that ahs some info on how kubuntu and kde in general do that crystal effect on their art?
[12:33] <Emess> ,/random>
[12:42] <arso> i need help
[12:42] <arso> anyone out here?
[12:42] <rami213123213> what
[12:43] <arso> ta3
[12:43] <arso> ma9ree
[12:43] <rami213123213> soori
[12:43] <azcazandco> anyone able to help?
[12:43] <arso> i need help
[12:43] <arso> anyone out there
[12:43] <arso> rami213123213:  please shut up
[12:43] <rami213123213> khalas okay
[12:43] <arso> man this place is full at night
[12:43] <arso> everyones at work
[12:44] <arso> theres a guy from  kuwait he's indian, he helps a lot
[12:45] <rami213123213> i am in suse chat
[12:45] <arso> i am leaving
[12:45] <arso> i am gonna go to windows
[12:45] <arso> i found osmething on the drivers site
[12:45] <arso> bb
[12:45] <Emess> ewwww
[12:55] <arso1234> goddamn it i need help
[12:56] <arso1234>  The ext2fs.sys driver did not mount that volume for some reason, or it mounted it read-only.
[12:56] <arso1234> Please run the mountdiag diagnosis tool, which you can download here: mountdiag.exe.
[12:56] <arso1234> Please run it at the command prompt and give it the letter of the drive you want to examine, for example:
[12:56] <arso1234> mountdiag G:
[12:56] <arso1234> The tool will give you a hint on how to resolve the problem. (Note: The mountdiag tool reads data only; it does not attempt to modify anything.)
[12:57] <arso1234> omg i am screwed
[12:59] <arso1234> i am using
[12:59] <arso1234> fs driver
[12:59] <arso1234> to run ext3 on windows
[12:59] <arso1234> worked fine for a week
[12:59] <arso1234> but today
[12:59] <arso1234> it aint working
[12:59] <arso1234> i get"not formatted, wanna format"
[01:25] <Riddell> ** testers needed:  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/ dapper main
[01:49] <Jack1> hi
[01:50] <Jack1> can so help? i have a laserjet 1020 hp printer, it is installed and works after installation onetime fine. however if i want to print sth later (in dapper) it just does nothing..no error message..and the device is recognised properly!
[01:54] <Jack1> dont worry i have found a way now thx
[02:07] <monomaniacpat> kubuntu has over-written some gnome options. I don't like it - how can I return gnome to it's former glory?
[02:08] <sensei> monomaniacpat: Probably you can't, unless you've made some backup
[02:08] <monomaniacpat> sensei: would kubuntu retain priority if I had installed it first and then installed ubuntu-desktop?
[02:09] <sensei> Don't know how kubuntu works on that level really, but that doesn't sound likely
[02:10] <monomaniacpat> sensei: could I try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop? It would work because it's a meta-package? How would I find out the relevent packages?
[02:11] <sensei> No idea really, but I assume reinstalling ubuntu-desktop would work
[02:35] <serveri> Hi
[02:35] <snikker> what serial console software con i use for read from serial line?
[02:36] <Philip5> serial line?
[02:36] <snikker> Philip5: serial port
[02:36] <v3ctor> minicom
[02:37] <snikker> v3ctor: ok now i try
[02:42] <serveri> I need graphical interface for mysql. Tell me, what name of the package?
[02:43] <_Shade_> hi there
[02:44] <thilak123> hey world's most secure Instant messenger has arrived
[02:44] <Dannilonglegs_> it has?
[02:44] <Dannilonglegs_> What is it?
[02:44] <thilak123> its open source
[02:45] <Dannilion> that's good
[02:45] <thilak123> http://digg.com/software/World_s_Most_Secure_Instant_Messenger_is_here_!!
[02:45] <Dannilion> what's it called
[02:45] <thilak123> its called CSpace
[02:45] <thilak123> Its Peer to peer
[02:45] <thilak123> and you can text chat, share files, remote desktop
[02:46] <Dannilion> sounds good for everyone who isn't on a throttling ISP
[02:47] <Jack1> hi i hvae probs with a printer in kubuntu dapper, all done what is said there it still doesnt work...http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/.
[02:47] <Jack1> i dont get it
[02:56] <Jack1> sensei hi+
[02:56] <Jack1> are u there?
[02:59] <Jack1> hi i hvae probs with a printer in  dapper, all done what is said there it still doesnt work...http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/.
[02:59] <Jack1> anone any idea?
[03:02] <sensei> I wouldn't touch someone elses printing problems with a 10 ft pole
[03:03] <Jack1> hi you..no its just it works one time after install..then not anymore..it says the firmware has to sent evyrtime to the device
[03:03] <Jack1> as if the hotplug wouldnt work
[03:04] <sensei> Ok
[03:04] <Jack1> sensei what he wrote there and what i read in the forums it should work and it sounds sane doesnt it?http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/
[03:04] <sensei> I wouldn't touch someone elses printing problems with a 10 ft pole
[03:05] <Jack1> well ok
[03:05] <Jack1> why not?
[03:05] <sensei> Because they're a drag
[03:06] <sensei> Usually
[03:06] <Jack1> what do u mean? well i see its really not easy it wasnt in breezy too
[03:06] <Jack1> the drivers and dapper
[03:10] <jakke77> now i have kubuntu \,,/
[03:11] <sensei> Congrats jakke77
[03:11] <jakke77> kiitos
[03:11] <centyx> greetings programs
[03:13] <jakke77> no i need need start remove "some" programms :)
[03:16] <wimpies> anybody here that can help me with a samba setup ?
[03:17] <sensei> wimpies: Just ask a question instead
[03:17] <wimpies> well it was because it was a bit off topic.
[03:17] <sensei> If someone can and want to he/she probably will ;)
[03:17] <sensei> samba is a part of kubuntu afaik
[03:17] <wimpies> if smbclient works for some user /share but the windows XP client cannot connect
[03:18] <wimpies> claing 'the account is not authorized to log in from this station'
[03:18] <wimpies> what might be wrong ?
[03:18] <bobbin> Hello...can anybody here help me with a TKinter problem I have with a Python script I'm trying to write?
[03:18] <wimpies> I tried to 'up' the loglevel to get more info messages but I seem unable to change it to some more detailed level
[03:19] <sensei> Are you intentionally using domains ?
[03:19] <wimpies> euh no
[03:19] <wimpies> just a desktop with a laptop
[03:19] <sensei> Are you using domains? :)
[03:19] <wimpies> well I am not sure
[03:19] <sensei> Post your conf on pastebin
[03:20] <wimpies> ok ... hold on
[03:20] <centyx> using kontact, i'm trying to use an imap resource for storing my data. when i try to save a todo or journal entry, i get "no writable resource found"
[03:20] <sensei> bobbin: Just ask, or try #python
[03:20] <centyx> i've set my imap resource as default
[03:20] <centyx> any ideas?
[03:20] <sensei> Set up a writable resource? ;)
[03:21] <wimpies> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17256
[03:21] <serveri> I can't compile Digest::SHA1 perl module on Ubuntu 6.06 for AMD x 64
[03:22] <centyx> sensei: I thought I had done that. I'm using uw-imap. I created a directory and the subfolders under it using kmail
[03:23] <bobbin> sensei: All I wanted to do was get a loop running to update the positions of some unpacked canvas items. But between the example program and the one I'm working on the loop falls flat.
[03:23] <serveri> Help to compile Digest::SHA1 perl module on Ubuntu 6.06 for AMDx64
[03:24] <sensei> wimpies: I'm no samba ninja to be honest, but try adding security = user
[03:24] <SinnerG> hmm got a problem
[03:25] <SinnerG> All my keys work on my keyb except the ones where I need to press Alt Gr :s
[03:25] <sensei> bobbin: Okay, I can't help you without looking at the code, and that question is more suitable for #python really
[03:25] <bobbin> ok
[03:26] <wimpies> sensei : nope ... i think it is default.  I use swat to admin samba and it shows 'user' security
[03:26] <sensei> Ah ok
[03:27] <SinnerG> and when I run setxkbmap I also get a segfault :s
[03:27] <sensei> wimpies: Since I'm neither a samba ninja and most certainly not a windows one, I'm out of ideas
[03:27] <sensei> SinnerG: Have you tried KDEs keyboard tools ?
[03:28] <SinnerG> hmm whats the name?
[03:28] <SinnerG> And if you mean settings : its correct there
[03:28] <SinnerG> Belgian KB
[03:29] <sinnerg> grmbbl :p
[03:29] <sinnerg> anyway to disable enter <remove thingy? :P
[03:29] <sinnerg> I seem to have the habbit of pressing it alot of times ;p
[03:29] <sensei> In kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard layout ?
[03:29] <sinnerg> or shift <remove thingy
[03:29] <sinnerg> whatever ;p
[03:29] <sinnerg> yes
[03:29] <sinnerg> been there sensei
[03:29] <sinnerg> its correct
[03:29] <sinnerg> BE
[03:30] <sinnerg> only my 3th keys wont work
[03:30] <sinnerg> like the pipe one :s
[03:30] <sinnerg> but when I'm in pure console
[03:30] <sinnerg> it does work
[03:30] <sinnerg> *shell
[03:30] <sinnerg> without X loaded that is
[03:31] <wimpies> sensei : got it, fwiw it was encrypt password that has to be set to 'yes'
[03:32] <sensei> wimpies: Ooh, I'll remember that one
[03:33] <sensei> sinnerg: It's not just the language, have you set the correct keyboard model?
[03:33] <ahmuck_jr> ! wireless
[03:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:33] <sinnerg> well, its just a general keyb
[03:34] <sensei> sinnerg: Still, play around with those settings
[03:35] <sinnerg> and what about that setkb cmd that is segfaulting?
[03:41] <lucas> !avi
[03:41] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:42] <DaSkreech> !ogg
[03:42] <ubotu> I know nothing about ogg
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Silly bot :)
[03:42] <centyx> ok, I've tried w/ courier-imap now as well.
[03:42] <centyx> kmail automatically created the folders
[03:42] <centyx> but it still sais no writable resource
[03:47] <serveri> I need graphic administrative interface for MySQL
[03:48] <heretic> Hey all
[03:48] <Heretic_01> Im finally on ubuntu
[03:48] <Philip5> serveri: there are both webbase and others
[03:49] <centyx> Heretic_01: :)
[03:49] <imbrandon> serveri: mysqladmin ?
[03:49] <Heretic_01> centyx:  mate.
[03:50] <Heretic_01> How do i, install java for firefox :S
[03:50] <Heretic_01> I have no idea, could you please help me.
[03:50] <imbrandon> good job Heretic_01
[03:50] <imbrandon> !java
[03:50] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:50] <Heretic_01> nice
[03:50] <Heretic_01> thankyou
[03:50] <Heretic_01> i also managed to install my driver from that package manager :S
[03:50] <Heretic_01> or whatever it is.
[03:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:51] <Heretic_01> i just ticked the box and went apply
[03:51] <Heretic_01> is that all i needed to do.
[03:51] <Heretic_01> afer that it downloaded it.
[03:51] <imbrandon> yup
[03:51] <centyx> ok this is weird.  everytime i start up kontact, it tells me that it needs to create the resource folders ( even tho it's already created them ).
[03:52] <imbrandon> centyx: are they readable ?
[03:52] <Heretic_01> also i have another hardrive
[03:52] <Heretic_01> it wont let me access
[03:52] <Heretic_01> a slave :(
[03:52] <Heretic_01> with all my music on it.
[03:52] <Heretic_01> and it says it cant "mount" it or something :S
[03:52] <DaSkreech> !mount
[03:52] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Whoops:) Ignore that :)
[03:53] <Heretic_01> :S
[03:53] <Heretic_01> and also whats good for playing Mp3s :O
[03:53] <imbrandon> amarok
[03:53] <Heretic_01> where can i get that lol
[03:54] <Heretic_01> Sorry for being a n00b
[03:54] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/05/amarok-141-released/
[03:54] <Heretic_01> thankyou mate.
[03:54] <Heretic_01> Im over windows.
[03:54] <centyx> imbrandon: good question
[03:54] <imbrandon> centyx: you know how to check or do you need me to walk you though it >
[03:54] <centyx> imbrandon: i got it
[03:55] <centyx> imbrandon: thanks
[03:55] <imbrandon> kk
[03:55] <imbrandon> np
[03:55] <lucas> help
[03:55] <imbrandon> !helpme
[03:55] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:55] <lucas> i cant find the package "libxine-extracodecs" in Adept
[03:55] <lucas> :)
[03:56] <imbrandon> lucas: you need universe and multibverse enabled
[03:56] <sensei> !libxine-extracodecss
[03:56] <sensei> !libxine-extracodecs
[03:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about libxine-extracodecss
[03:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about libxine-extracodecs
[03:56] <imbrandon> !repos
[03:56] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:56] <sensei> Isn't there something similar to that? o.O
[03:56] <Heretic_01> when i drag a box... on the desktop.
[03:56] <Heretic_01> Like click and drag
[03:56] <Heretic_01> its really jerky
[03:56] <Heretic_01> is that normal?
[03:56] <sensei> !mp3
[03:56] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:56] <sensei> Should cover it
[03:56] <imbrandon> Heretic_01: all depends on your computer
[03:56] <lucas> imbrandon: i have them enabled
[03:57] <centyx> I made the permissions on the imap folders match my other imap folders, but kontact's still unable to save  "unable to save"
[03:57] <lucas> imbrandon: but still nothing
[03:57] <imbrandon> lucas: apparently not, can you pastebin your sources.list ?
[03:57] <lucas> imbrandon: yes
[03:58] <imbrandon> centyx: hmm that was my only idea
[03:58] <imbrandon> wait imap ?
[03:58] <centyx> imbrandon: yea, i'm trying to use an imap resource in kontact
[03:58] <imbrandon> what about the permissions on the server folder where your imap is stored
[03:59] <imbrandon> since its imap i would try a diffrent client ( mozilla-thunderbird ) just to rules out the sever and make sure its the client having the problems
[03:59] <imbrandon> centyx: ^^
[04:00] <centyx> imbrandon: the mail part's working fine. I'm just trying to use kontact's capability of storing ical data in imap folders
[04:00] <lucas> imbrandon: there you are: http://pastebin.ca/79526
[04:01] <centyx> imbrandon: funny thing is, my contacts imap folder is working fine, it's just the calendar/journal/tasks ones that aren't working
[04:01] <Heretic_01> hey guys
[04:01] <centyx> Heretic_01: hey
[04:01] <Heretic_01> Sorry
[04:02] <Heretic_01> kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[04:02] <Heretic_01> how do i run that :S
[04:02] <Heretic_01> what is it.
[04:02] <centyx> openpgp key
[04:02] <imbrandon> Heretic_01: there is instructions on that page
[04:02] <imbrandon> lucas: do this .. no quotes
[04:03] <lucas> sure
[04:03] <imbrandon> " kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list "
[04:03] <imbrandon> got that open ?
[04:03] <lucas> yes
[04:03] <imbrandon> copy and paste this in there
[04:03] <imbrandon> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/sources.list
[04:03] <imbrandon> and save it
[04:04] <imbrandon> then tell me when you got that done
[04:04] <Heretic_01> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[04:04] <lucas> kdesu didnt work. sudo did
[04:04] <Heretic_01> i thoughts that whats i do.
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Heretic_01: Nope :)
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Heretic_01: Are you using Adept?
[04:04] <Heretic_01> i have no idea.
[04:04] <Heretic_01> lol
[04:04] <Heretic_01> Im the biggest n00b.
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Heretic_01: Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[04:04] <Heretic_01> Ubuntu
[04:04] <DaSkreech> I'll assume Kubuntu :)
[04:05] <bluedragon> hi
[04:05] <DaSkreech> ok then Menu -> System -> Synaptic
[04:05] <lucas> imbrandon: done
[04:05] <bluedragon> it seems i cant play sound with amarok ..
[04:05] <bluedragon> system sounds work with arts
[04:05] <bluedragon> but nothing with amarok :S
[04:06] <imbrandon> ok lucas paste this whole line in konsole without quotes " sudo apt-get update && apt-get -y install libxine-extracodecs && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade "
[04:07] <sensei> !mp3
[04:07] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:07] <sensei> ^^bluedragon
[04:07] <bluedragon> sensei: thanks :)
[04:07] <imbrandon> bluedragon: what are you trying to play and what version of amarok ?
[04:07] <Heretic_01> Could not save the file /etc/apt/sources.list.
[04:07] <Heretic_01> :S
[04:07] <bluedragon> newest version
[04:07] <bluedragon> one mom
[04:07] <Heretic_01> it says i dont have permission
[04:07] <imbrandon> Heretic_01:
[04:07] <bluedragon> 1.3.9
[04:08] <bluedragon> newest in kubuntu
[04:08] <lucas> imbrandon: one question: shall i replace my source.list with the one you gave me?
[04:08] <Heretic_01> imbrandon:  can we please discuss this in priv i cant keep up mate lol
[04:08] <imbrandon> lucas: yes
[04:08] <lucas> imbrandon: k
[04:08] <Heretic_01> [00:08]  [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[04:08] <Heretic_01> how do i register lol
[04:08] <Heretic_01> imbrandon:
[04:09] <imbrandon> Heretic_01: check pm again
[04:09] <DaSkreech> !register
[04:09] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:14] <centyx> imbrandon: I got it working. You have to setup your imap account as a "Disconnected IMAP" account
[04:14] <imbrandon> ahh
[04:15] <centyx> in kmail that is
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Heretic_01: Gtting help?
[04:26] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I finally got a fix for the two packages we couldn't get updated :)
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Well man don't keep me sweating!!
[04:28] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I documented here on my forums:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=560.0
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Nice name for the forums :)
[04:28] <Hawkwind> Heh, thanks :)
[04:30] <jpatrick> Hawkwind: your sig's got my browser wrong
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Of course. Duh!!!
[04:36] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: What does it say for your browser and what are you actually using ?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: You mean jpatrick?
[04:38] <jpatrick> Hawkwind: it says Mozilla instead of Konqueror
[04:43] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Ooops, it's too early for me to read completely yet :P
[04:54] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Did it work for ya ?
[04:54] <DaSkreech> I'd need to try it :)
[04:54] <Hawkwind> Well get busy will ya :P
[04:55] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to find out the best collabrative project planning software
[04:58] <bill[1] > I'm running kdevelop on ubuntu (not kubuntu) and its horribley unstable.  Is it this way in kubuntu too?
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> Can anyone tell me what I need to put in Section "Screen" in xorg.conf to force it to use 60hz ? (It keeps on using 75)
[05:12] <ray_> Hi there all, my question is how do I block email addresses, like without a name, but the assdess from a sever, in Evolution, ands is it possible
[05:13] <ray_> sorry about spelling mistakes
[05:13] <DaSkreech> In kontact?
[05:13] <ray_> come again
[05:15] <bluedragon_> anyone can tell me what kind of group is the "dialout" and "dip" group? what are they for ?
[05:17] <ray_> gee--- there is sooooo munh going on in here
[05:21] <kankoka> wenas
[05:21] <DaSkreech> bluedragon_: I would guess dialup
[05:21] <kankoka> amarok 1.4.1 :D
[05:21] <kankoka> :P
[05:22] <gemidjy> Amarok 1.4.1 is awsome
[05:23] <kankoka> yeah
[05:23] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[05:23] <kankoka> but i cant listen lastfm streams :*(
[05:24] <gemidjy> kankoka: why?
[05:24] <kankoka> i read a article where
[05:25] <bluedragon_> hm sry.. wlan isnt such a stable connection :S
[05:25] <bluedragon_> now my question again, what is the "dip" group for?
[05:25] <kankoka> for listen lastfm radios by firefox
[05:25] <kankoka> but dont work me
[05:25] <kankoka> x'D
[05:26] <bluedragon_> ?? a group for listening lastfm radios ??
[05:26] <bluedragon_> hm sry probably wasnt for me^^
[05:26] <DaSkreech> kankoka: Try it in amarok :)
[05:26] <heretic> imbrandon:
[05:27] <heretic> you there mate?
[05:27] <kankoka> DaSkreech: mmm
[05:27] <kankoka> ill search a bit more
[05:27] <kankoka> x'D
[05:28] <larson9999> bluedragon_: dip is the group in which my says i belong
[05:32] <heretic> imbrandon: mate, i didnt catch your MSN.
[05:36] <larson9999> if i compress a mount with rar and the file gets too big, will it 'split itself' into more than one file or is there something i have to do to make that happen?
[05:36] <mcscruff> hi, i have a shared (samba) hdd, mounted as /Storage on my Desktop pc , but the permissions are all messed up and i cant write to some dirs without being root, is there anyway i can change it so all the folders can be written to by anyone?
[05:37] <larson9999> mcscruff i think 'sudo chmod -R 777 /Storage' should do it
[05:38] <larson9999> mcscruff: you can 'man chmod' to check my syntax
[05:38] <mcscruff> kk ty
[05:38] <bluedragon__> hm
[05:38] <mcscruff> will that change all file permissions too#?
[05:39] <larson9999> mcsruff the -R should be recursive meaning it'll include files and subdirectories.  you might need a * i forget as i don't do that much
[05:45] <DaSkreech> larson9999: Depends on what you are using to do the raring I suspect
[05:53] <Paradosso> where has the gtk fonts & styles option gone in kcontrol when upgranding to kde 3.5.3?!
[05:54] <larson9999> DaSkreech: either cli or ark
[05:55] <DaSkreech> larson9999: You can get ark to do rar? Sweet :)
[05:55] <larson9999> DaSkreech: yeah, if you install rar, ark picks it up like it does the other methods it uses
[05:56] <DaSkreech> larson9999: You bought rar?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> You would think that it can do lz7 :(
[05:56] <GaiaX11> How do i translate an English page into another language using mozilla? Is there a moz plugin for that?
[05:56] <larson9999> kinda slow though.  it'll take a while for me to get to the point where it needs splitting
[05:57] <larson9999> DaSkreech: if you mean did i
[05:57] <larson9999> DaSkreech: if you mean did i 'sudo apt-get install rar', yeah
[06:01] <heretic> does anyone no the command to get AMSN?
[06:01] <heretic> sudo apt-get amsn
[06:02] <Hobbsee> heretic: sudo apt-get install amsn?
[06:04] <SystematicDub> Hi
[06:04] <Dunedan> Is there any possibility to perform a text-based installation of kubuntu?
[06:04] <gemidjy> Dunedan: use the Alternate CD
[06:04] <Dunedan> alternate cd?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> larson9999: In that kase. i guess so :)
[06:05] <SystematicDub> dunedan: scroll down near the bottom of the download page
[06:05] <Dunedan> ah thx, all right
[06:06] <Dunedan> hm, anybody here who installed kubuntu on a macbook?
[06:09] <SystematicDub> dunedan: the alternates are actually on the mirror sites you go to from the download page :) but you probably got that!  oh and this probably isn't any help but I know you can install on a macs (I've seen it on another kind of mac notebook....powerbook if I'm not mistaken)
[06:10] <Dunedan> SystematicDub: There is a big difference between linux on an powerbook and on an macbook
[06:10] <SystematicDub> dunedan: also macbooks are kinda new, right?
[06:11] <SystematicDub> dunedan: you can totally tell I am not Mac savvy...hehe
[06:11] <Dunedan> SystematicDub: yeah. And they use EFI instead of OpenFirmware.
[06:12] <SystematicDub> dunedan: I heard something about that!  Hmmmm well this forum is normally teeming with more replys and answers (must be a slow time) maybe post this question later, and you might catch a macbook user.
[06:13] <Dunedan> SystematicDub: I found some tutorials for installations, but until now I couldn't get it completly working. But I'm still trying.
[06:14] <snikker> when i make a .deb pakege for the kernel, i've got this error message: "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.6.15.7-ubuntu1 not in control info" how fix it?
[06:17] <SystematicDub> dunedan: ahhh at least you know there are other macbook users!
[06:18] <Dunedan> SystematicDub: yes, and some of them are quite good at hacking some drivers :-)
[06:19] <moparisthebest> when I delete somthing, where does it go?
[06:19] <sensei> moparisthebest: Depends on how you delete it
[06:19] <moparisthebest> because it doesnt give me any more space on my harddrive
[06:19] <moparisthebest> i just press delete
[06:19] <moparisthebest> so its gotta go someplace i think
[06:19] <bigredradio> Is there a PPC channel for kubuntu?
[06:19] <sensei> moparisthebest: See the litter bin in your lower right corner ?
[06:19] <larson9999> moparisthebest: in konqueror?  if so, it goes to your trash
[06:19] <sensei> Or rather, do you see 'a' litter bin
[06:20] <moparisthebest> ah i do now, lol thanks alot
[06:20] <moparisthebest> i knew it was somthign easy
[06:20] <sensei> np
[06:20] <heretic> anyone here use amaroK? How do i get mp3 support
[06:20] <sensei> !mp3
[06:20] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:21] <SystematicDub> hey noob question but is there a thing you can do to totally delete stuff? (like the shift+del combo in windoze)
[06:21] <sensei> heretic: For future questions, may I suggest things like http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=mp3+kubuntu+amarok&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[06:21] <sensei> Shift+del ?
[06:22] <larson9999> SystematicDub: yeah, it's shift+del
[06:22] <larson9999> SystematicDub: most likely that is if you're in a gui app like konqueror.
[06:23] <bigredradio> Is there a PPC channel for kubuntu?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> bigredradio: This is it
[06:24] <TheHighChild> larson9999: shift+delete works for me
[06:24] <SystematicDub> larson9999: okay was a bit afraid to do some button pushing! hehe thanks
[06:24] <heretic>  i know about the free formats, but i just want to enable mp3 support in amaroK
[06:24] <sensei> SystematicDub: Don't be, you learn by fscking up
[06:24] <sensei> heretic: Eh?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > heretic
[06:24] <pussfeller> is the standard dapper install cd a LIVE cd, ie one i can use so reinstall grub after i install windows?
[06:24] <sensei> DaSkreech: He's an illiterate, don't bother
[06:25] <larson9999> SystematicDub: hopely you've already learned the backing up thing first
[06:25] <TheHighChild> pussfeller:  yes, the desktop cd
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Just a little slow :) Obviously read the information. Just didn't grok it :0
[06:25] <pussfeller> thanks TheHighChild
[06:25] <SystematicDub> sensei: hehe so true so true!  Tho I just got the thing and I'm pratically gushing over it!
[06:25] <TheHighChild> pussfeller: sudo grub-install /dev/***
[06:25] <SystematicDub> larson9999: backing up thing?
[06:26] <larson9999> SystematicDub: yeah
[06:26] <larson9999> SystematicDub: backing up you're data before you go mucking around
[06:27] <sensei> Or skip it for that authentic adrenaline rush ;)
[06:27] <TheHighChild> When I started tux, it was a nightmare. I wiped out at least 2 dozen windows installs (or thought I did, I was a noob hehe)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> heretic: Got that ?
[06:28] <SystematicDub> larson9999: hehe backing up is a foreign word too me (windoze just won't do it without the install cd)  tho I've kept my machine lean so if it does go down it's no prob....but with kubuntu I'm going too be doing a bit more stuff...so please teach me!
[06:29] <sensei> SystematicDub: Get an extra HD and copy your important stuff to, burn it to a CD or a DVD or whatever
[06:30] <sensei> If you're really serious, get a RAID system
[06:32] <holoton1> I have a network shared SMB folder that I can access like smb://servername/sharedfolder/ . How do I symlink that shared folder to my home directory? Also note that this is in a mobile environment (local computer is a laptop), so the shared folder won't always be available, and I've heard that can cause problems if you don't set it up correctly
[06:33] <sensei> you don't symlink it, you mount it
[06:33] <holoton1> Mount then symlink? A symlink is what I want in the end, but I do suppose I need to mount it first. How would I go about that?
[06:34] <sensei> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=mount+samba+share&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[06:36] <SystematicDub> sensei: hehe ahhh ok HDD's are out...so is RAID then.  CD's I've tried....but not dvd's.  Oh! or you could transfer the files over to another comp....but thats pretty unsafe!  Oh got to go, thanks everyone!
[06:36] <holoton1> sensei: I have tried that - My problem is this being a mobile environment, how do I avoid my laptop hanging when it tries to mount a folder that isn't there?"
[06:38] <sensei> holoton1: There's probably some nifty way of doing it, but I'd hack a bash script together, and ping it and rely on the return code
[06:39] <sensei> Then again, I'm not all that picky
[06:41] <sensei> I'm not sure, but just maybe a smbmount isn't blocking at all, have you tried?
[06:43] <holoton1> sensei: not yet, I've just heard that it may be the case if you try to mount a samba share, and it isn't there at boot, you could experience a hang..
[06:43] <zorglu1> a hang ? or a delay and then it goes on ?
[06:43] <sensei> Not a hang longer than the timeout
[06:44] <holoton1> either / or
[06:44] <zorglu1> maybe you can tune this timeoutthen
[06:44] <holoton1> I haven't tested it, as it seemed reasonable, and appeared to be a common problem
[06:45] <sensei> Nah, not a hang, longer boot time than average, maybe.. But you could always put it in /etc/rc.local  and append a & after it, to fork it
[06:45] <sensei> Don't worry :)
[06:45] <holoton1> & just says not to wait if the script is delayed, correct?
[06:46] <sensei> Not really, but that's the general effect, yes :)
[06:46] <wilfredH> can anyone tell me who decides where apps go in the k menu? I've found a mistake.
[06:46] <zorglu1> Assuming home directories are stored under /home,       edit /etc/auto.master and add the following line "/home /usr/sbin/smbautomount --timeout 60"       # echo "/home /usr/sbin/smbautomount --timeout 60"       >> /etc/auto.master
[06:46] <sensei> Try: sleep 10 &
[06:46] <zorglu1> from http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/smbfs/
[06:46] <sensei> in a terminal
[06:46] <zorglu1> holoton1: not that it is a direct solution. but likely a lead to follow
[06:46] <holoton1> zorglu1: Thanks!
[06:47] <wilfredH> !packages
[06:47] <holoton1> I'm learning, slowly but surely.
[06:47] <ubotu> You can browse and search the packages in Ubuntu in synaptic, adept and online on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <holoton1> You folks may be interested in a project I'm working on here:
[06:47] <holoton1> http://freegeekmissoula.com/
[06:47] <slow-motion> bye
[06:47] <sensei> Wow, never heard of smbautomount
[06:51] <holoton1> thanks again guys, take care!
[06:54] <linuxproblem> hey
[06:55] <linuxproblem> how can i copy an folder
[06:55] <linuxproblem> on shell
[06:55] <sensei> cp -rf dir newname
[06:55] <linuxproblem> what is rf?
[06:55] <sensei> man cp
[06:55] <felix_E> hi @all
[06:56] <sensei> hi
[06:56] <linuxproblem> on desktop
[06:56] <nico8481> hi
[06:56] <linuxproblem> i want copy the folder on desktop
[06:56] <sensei> What's stopping you ?
[06:56] <felix_E> anyone been able to get amarok 1.4.x working on kubuntu? amarok-arts doesn't seem to be available for that version. and xine doesn't work with artsd...
[06:56] <linuxproblem> hehe i am on with live cd
[06:56] <sensei> Then you have a problem
[06:57] <linuxproblem> i have mountet my linux partition !cauz there are the files!
[06:57] <linuxproblem> i can see the folder now!
[06:57] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[06:57] <linuxproblem> but how can i copy to burn it !?
[06:58] <linuxproblem> i only see the files on shell
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Where did you mount it to?
[06:58] <linuxproblem> mnt
[06:59] <felix_E> or is there probably a way to enable arts-support for xine?
[06:59] <felix_E> why has it been dropped anyway...
[06:59] <sensei> felix_E: I didn't know they had dropped it.. What do you mean exactly ?
[06:59] <linuxproblem> the folder where i want to copy is in /home/cashmoneybrother/desktop/eigeneDateien!  i want copy to desktop on live cd here! can anyone tell me a command for this
[07:00] <linuxproblem> i have chroot to /mnt !
[07:00] <DaSkreech> linuxproblem: You need to be superuser to do that
[07:00] <DaSkreech> felix_E: I assume you mean in KDE4?
[07:00] <linuxproblem> sudo mount! sudo chroot!
[07:00] <linuxproblem> i have !superuser rights
[07:00] <sensei> Isn't the desktop on the cd or in the ram ?
[07:01] <linuxproblem> desktop from live cd is in ram
[07:01] <chavo> linuxproblem, you don't need to chroot
[07:01] <linuxproblem> i have chroot
[07:01] <zorglu1> linuxproblem: " i want copy to desktop on live cd here!" you will have trouble with that :) you cant write on the live cd..
[07:01] <sensei> So how/why would you want to copy a file to that desktop?
[07:01] <linuxproblem> cauz i want to burn it
[07:01] <sensei> And you must copy it to burn it ?
[07:02] <linuxproblem> yes
[07:02] <chavo> linuxproblem, why did you chroot, the chroot won't see the cd filesystem
[07:02] <sensei> Why?
[07:02] <felix_E> sensei, daskreech: no, not kde4. im running kde 3.5.3. amarok 1.3.9 works fine with the amarok-arts engine. however, this engine is not available for amarok 1.4.x. xine seems to lack support for arts output as of dapper.
[07:02] <linuxproblem> if i dont chroot i cant seee the files
[07:02] <linuxproblem> ok i tell u aggain! i am now online with live cd! and i want copy files from my linux partiton hda3 ! cauz i cant login there
[07:02] <linuxproblem> and i need the files!
[07:02] <linuxproblem> so i must copy it on cd!
[07:03] <chavo> linuxproblem, youre not listening to us
[07:03] <sensei> linuxproblem: Seriously... forget everything.. Just boot the live cd, cd do the mounted drive and run mkisofs and cdrecord on that image for whatever you want to burn
[07:03] <felix_E> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=189348
[07:03] <sensei> OR, use whatever burn program you want and look the files up and use that
[07:03] <chavo> !
[07:03] <linuxproblem> yeah but i cant see the files!
[07:03] <linuxproblem> only on shell
[07:03] <linuxproblem> i cant only see files from hard disk mapper
[07:04] <linuxproblem> i cant see files from hda3! this is my linux partiton where i cant login!
[07:04] <sensei> I give up..
[07:04] <linuxproblem> i only see the files in the shell !
[07:04] <zorglu1> linuxproblem: relax, slow down and describe your issue in simple words
[07:04] <sensei> Have fun chrooting your ram memory or whatever it is that you're doing
[07:04] <DaSkreech> linuxproblem: If you copy the files to the Desktop they will disappaer
[07:04] <zorglu1> linuxproblem: and dont use technical term
[07:05] <linuxproblem> ok tell me what should i do now?
[07:05] <zorglu1> linuxproblem: just told you. slow down, rewind and start again
[07:05] <linuxproblem> ok
[07:07] <linuxproblem> how can i copy the files in the shell to desktop?
[07:07] <felix_E> anyone an idea who might be able to tell me more about the xine-arts thingy? using the kmplayer-part for kaffeine is extremly annoying (not working keyboard-shortcuts and such...)
[07:07] <felix_E> ... and i'd really like to use that shiny new amarok-version
[07:08] <zorglu1> felix_E: if the issue is about amarok, the channel #amarok is quite helpfull
[07:08] <alexicon> felix_E: is yours broken too
[07:08] <linuxproblem> also i tell u all aggain
[07:08] <zorglu1> is there a ~/Desktop on ubuntu ?
[07:08] <alexicon> my amarok-xine cant find sound device
[07:09] <alexicon> the new amarok doesnt work, nor does the 1.3.9
[07:09] <linuxproblem> my linux partiton doesnt work! so i am online now with an live CD! and i need files from my linux partition! i have mounted the partion! and cann see the files in the shell now!
[07:09] <felix_E> zorglu1: actually, its not. its about xine on dapper not supporting arts. and amarok-1.4 on ubuntu not shipping with amarok-arts engine.
[07:09] <mcscruff> 6797: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[07:09] <mcscruff> SMB connection failed
[07:09] <mcscruff> help ^^^
[07:09] <linuxproblem> and how can i copy the files on my desktop here
[07:10] <sensei> linuxproblem: Forget everything you think you know...
[07:10] <felix_E> alexicon: have you tried using the amarok-arts engine for 1.3.9? that should work fine with arts.
[07:10] <sensei> What you're suggesting is just flat out rediciolous
[07:10] <linuxproblem> ?
[07:10] <alexicon> felix_E: i havent, i dont particularly like arts...
[07:10] <linuxproblem> and now
[07:10] <zorglu1> felix_E: ah ok :)
[07:10] <alexicon> but i might give it a go, because i cant get mpdscribble to work for some reason either :'(
[07:10] <mcscruff> linuxproblem: find the files you want to copy in konqueror , right click them and copy, then paste them where you want...
[07:10] <alexicon> yeah xine in general has problems on kubuntu
[07:10] <linuxproblem> doesnt work in konqueror
[07:10] <zorglu1> sensei: ) linuxproblem: how can i copy the files in the shell to desktop? <- do you know the answer to this one ?
[07:10] <alexicon> xine-ui errors as well
[07:10] <linuxproblem> i cant see the partiton there!
[07:11] <linuxproblem> i dont know the answer
[07:11] <sensei> zorglu1: I sure do. He's an illiterate ADHD sufferer
[07:11] <linuxproblem> i cant only see in konquerer hard disk mappeR! but its on hda3!
[07:11] <felix_E> alexicon: jep. it seems as if someone has dropped arts support from xine altogether :(
[07:11] <linuxproblem> i am a linux nooooooooob!
[07:12] <alexicon> yeah felix_E thats what im seeing
[07:12] <linuxproblem> i have no idea what i can do now!
[07:12] <alexicon> felix_E: does your amarok say it cannot find sound device?
[07:12] <sikor_sxe> i try to use kpowersafe. therefore i need powersafed, which itsself need acpid, which refuses to run because the "device" is used already, suppossedly by a process kacpid, which i cannot kill. what can i do?
[07:12] <zorglu1> sensei: ADHD ?
[07:12] <sensei> zorglu1: Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
[07:13] <alexicon> felix_E: do you think this is just a kde issue? and if i got fluxbox or something else there wouldnt be a device problem?
[07:13] <zorglu1> sensei: yep seems a credible diagnostique
[07:13] <linuxproblem> damn i need the f......ing files
[07:13] <alexicon> amarok.. :'(
[07:14] <Cntryboy> Anyone know if I can send files through kopete in the aim part?
[07:14] <sensei> zorglu1: The funny part is that I've told him exactly what to do, but he was too busy driving his own bus that he just woulnd't jump onto mine
[07:14] <sponix> alexicon:  its just a freaking mp3/ogg player, fire up xmms, beep-media-player, or something ?
[07:14] <linuxproblem> sensei i dont understood it!
[07:14] <alexicon> Cntryboy: i couldnt send files in kopete
[07:14] <Cntryboy> grr
[07:14] <linuxproblem> i am german! my english is not the BEST!
[07:14] <Cntryboy> does gaim work good with kde?
[07:14] <alexicon> sponix: i like the scrobbler part of amarok <3
[07:14] <linuxproblem> can u tell me in simple words what i should do
[07:14] <alexicon> i use mpd as my backup player
[07:14] <sensei> Noooo? For real? I could never have guessed
[07:15] <alexicon> and mpdscribble isnt working on this kubuntu install either
[07:15] <sponix> Cntryboy:  works fine for me
[07:15] <Cntryboy> apt-get install gaim?
[07:15] <felix_E> alexicon: no, not really a kde-issue. but kde uses artsd as default sound daemon. you could always set up software-mixing with alsa and use the alsa-output provided by xine.
[07:15] <sponix> Cntryboy:  gaim is glib/gtk based
[07:15] <sponix> Cntryboy:  sure, apt-get install gaim should work for ya
[07:16] <Cntryboy> yup thats it
[07:16] <alexicon> felix_E: my alsamixer is working, so i thought i was using alsa and not arts now
[07:16] <Cntryboy> kk thx man
[07:16] <sensei> alexicon: That's two completely different things
[07:16] <sensei> On different levels
[07:16] <alexicon> yes i know sensi
[07:16] <sponix> fek:  yeah, that kinds kills me, why use arts, alsa works prefectly fine ... esd is another example, why bother
[07:16] <alexicon> but neither work frustratingly
[07:16] <sikor_sxe> how can i kill kacpid?
[07:16] <alexicon> :P
[07:16] <alexicon> its a small irk
[07:17] <alexicon> but a definate one
[07:17] <alexicon> i really dont like xmms
[07:17] <sponix> alexicon:  wtf is a scrobble ?
[07:17] <felix_E> alexicon: artsd probably uses alsa. but as long as you haven't got a proberly working soft- or hardware-mixing config, only one program (artsd!) can use the sound output device concurrently...
[07:17] <sensei> alexicon: Okay, so it'd be fruitless to try and get artsd going if alsa isn't
[07:17] <alexicon> last.fm sponix
[07:17] <mcscruff> Hi, im trying to mount a samba share , sudo mount -t smbfs -o rw //mcscruff-desktop/Storage /Storage  ---but i get 6828: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[07:17] <sponix> alexicon:  hmm, whats a fm  -- freshmeat ?
[07:17] <alexicon> sponix: http://last.fm its a music site
[07:18] <zorglu1> mcscruff: smell like a authorization issue. like wrong username/passwd
[07:18] <alexicon> collects data about what music you listen to
[07:18] <sensei> sponix: Micronesia
[07:18] <jpatrick> alexicon: it is THE music site
[07:18] <felix_E> linuxproblem: didnt quite follow the whole discussion but if you want we could try to get your problem solved in german :)
[07:18] <sensei> Federal State of Micronesia
[07:18] <alexicon> hehe yeah jpatrick ;)
[07:18] <linuxproblem> ja besser wre das
[07:18] <sensei> Not here though
[07:19] <sponix> alexicon:  I've got ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu desktops all installed -- and that thingy seems to work just fine for me
[07:19] <felix_E> sure
[07:19] <linuxproblem> felix in privat ok
[07:19] <sponix> alexicon:  of course, I've never tried to open it, or use it, but I think it works :)
[07:19] <alexicon> lol
[07:19] <alexicon> sponix: which version of amarok?
[07:19] <linuxproblem> felix e privat geht bei mir nicht
[07:20] <sponix> 1.4.0 kde 3.5.3
[07:20] <felix_E> linuxproblem: /join #linuxproblem_de
[07:20] <sponix> alexicon:  just opened it, seems to work ..
[07:20] <alexicon> hm sponix you lucky guy :P
[07:20] <mcscruff> zorglu1: i cant mount it but i can see it and have read/write in konqueror tho :S
[07:20] <sponix> alexicon:  what _exactly_ was your issue ?
[07:20] <alexicon> the application runs, it just says it either cant find my sound device, or cant find the audio decoder
[07:20] <linuxproblem> k
[07:21] <alexicon> 1.4 only has the xine engine which it really doenst seem to like at all
[07:21] <sponix> alexicon:  what sound module (chipset), and what support do you have
[07:21] <Dannilion> alexicon, try turning off your system sounds
[07:21] <alexicon> how do i do that Dannilion in kcontrol??
[07:21] <zorglu1> mcscruff:  ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) <- this one seems quite clear. your server dont let you read write
[07:21] <zorglu1> mcscruff: let you = allow you
[07:21] <alexicon> sponix: im not sure sponix its a dell inspiron 600m laptop
[07:21] <Dannilion> alexicon: Sound and Multimedia
[07:22] <mcscruff> zorglu1: i'll go look back at the setup
[07:22] <Dannilion> There's a tickbox for Enable the System Sounds
[07:22] <Dannilion> untick it, and click apply
[07:22] <Dannilion> then restart amarok and change the engine to xine
[07:22] <alexicon> ok will try
[07:22] <alexicon> actually i thought it might be firefox interfering
[07:23] <alexicon> but i'll try this too
[07:23] <sponix> alexicon:  xine is my only sound engine thingy listed ... I've installed mplayer, vlc, xine-ui, totem-xine
[07:23] <sponix> alexicon:  and a couple hundred other multimedia packages ;)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Ah I hate kopete :)
[07:23] <Dannilion> There seems to be a bug with alsa and xine not being able to have two sound sources at once
[07:23] <sponix> Dannilion:  normally similar problems are fixed in a similar fashion -- worth a shot ;)
[07:24] <alexicon> Dannilion: ive had thta in the past on other distros too...
[07:24] <Dannilion> yup
[07:24] <TBKDan> Bit of a hurry to get something installed... does Kubuntu have the ability to boot off of a USB drive?
[07:24] <sponix> Dannilion:  alsa in general has had issues with that off and on, OSS use to let me do 8+ sounds pumped in at the same time, different progs, or the same
[07:24] <sponix> DaSkreech:  kopete is gay, I still stick with gaim
[07:25] <alexicon> nope Dannilion :'( says it cannot find a decoder
[07:25] <sponix> alexicon:  yeah, its not really a distro specific issue
[07:25] <Dannilion> Can't find a decoder? That's not what I got...
[07:25] <alexicon> hrmm
[07:25] <Dannilion> you've installed all the extra codecs?
[07:25] <alexicon> previously it couldnt find the audio device...
[07:25] <alexicon> yeah Dannilion i can listen to mp3s in mpd
[07:26] <alexicon> actually had another problem where that kcdripper thing couldnt find lame encoders either...
[07:26] <alexicon> seems to be a lot of audio bugs in this....
[07:26] <alexicon> i might downgrade back to that 1.3.9 version of amarok
[07:27] <Dannilion> yeah
[07:29] <Dannilion> OK, I've actually just managed to fix the sound issue
[07:29] <sponix> alexicon:  I'm not really familure with deb's, but can you get a listing of your packages installed and spit them out to a pastebin ?
[07:29] <alexicon> :o
[07:29] <Dannilion> my one, anyhow
[07:29] <Dannilion> I changed it all from alsa to oss
[07:29] <alexicon> hm
[07:29] <Dannilion> in KControl and in ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[07:30] <sponix> kern still has oss backward compat, on 2.6.x riiight ?
[07:30] <sponix> or are you using a 2.4.x kern ?
[07:30] <Dannilion> how do I find out?
[07:30] <zorglu1> Dannilion: funny as the oss you use is likely emulated by alsa
[07:30] <sponix> uname -a
[07:30] <sponix> zorglu1:  yeah, but it does work better at times :)
[07:30] <Dannilion> I don't care so long as it works :)
[07:31] <alexicon> Dannilion: so re-enable the sound in kcontrol and use oss instead of autodetect
[07:31] <Dannilion> Linux Matilda 2.6.15-25-386 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 14 11:25:49 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:31] <Dannilion> I have
[07:31] <sponix> you all may know how to make lil ubuntu/kubuntu things work, but I sure as hell know a bit more about Linux basics :)
[07:31] <Dannilion> I don't doubt it
[07:31] <alexicon> ive used gentoo for 4 years sponix i know stuff
[07:31] <alexicon> not saying audio has ever been a walk in the park
[07:31] <Dannilion> My college course's introduction to Linux wasn't very good
[07:31] <alexicon> i just expected it to be easier with this distro ;P
[07:32] <Dannilion> I know very little, but would like to get better
[07:32] <sponix> alexicon:  Summer of 96 I started using slack/fbsd, most of the stuff you're dealing with was a wet dream back then
[07:32] <Dannilion> In 1996 I'd only ever used a BBC Acorn at school :)
[07:32] <alexicon> heh
[07:33] <alexicon> amiga++
[07:33] <Dannilion> We got a Commodore 64 that year, I think
[07:33] <sponix> like I said, its not really a distro issue, sound is sound, config is config -- some things have better defaults, and easier installs, but its all the same under the hood ;)
[07:33] <zorglu1> ya bbc acorn :)
[07:33] <zorglu1> it was a good computer :)
[07:33] <Dannilion> then in 1997 we got 2 pcs- a 286 and a pentium, which introduced me to the internet
[07:34] <zorglu1> ok i coded unix kernel back in 89, what do i win ?
[07:34] <alexicon> which version of amarok we you using again Dannilion? 1.4.0?
[07:34] <Dannilion> 1.4.0 now
[07:34] <alexicon> kk
[07:34] <Dannilion> had the same problem with 1.3.9 though
[07:34] <sponix> Dannilion:  Compaq Presario 425 (486 25Mhz) chiped up to 20Meg of ram, with its massive 250Meg HD was my first functional *nix box
[07:34] <alexicon> mine still cant find audio decoder for some reason. going to pop back down to 1.3.9
[07:34] <frankapimenta> hello
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Whats the issue?
[07:35] <frankapimenta> i have 1 prob with amarok
[07:35] <alexicon> lol
[07:35] <alexicon> join the club
[07:35] <frankapimenta> who want to helpme?
[07:35] <sponix> seems like its an amarok issue day
[07:35] <alexicon> whats your issue frankapimenta
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Whats the issue?
[07:35] <Dannilion> sponix: sounds good
[07:35] <frankapimenta> amarok does not work
[07:35] <alexicon> lol
[07:35] <alexicon> indeed frankapimenta
[07:35] <alexicon> which version youusing
[07:35] <frankapimenta> because de engine
[07:35] <Dannilion> lollypop @ frankapimenta
[07:35] <Dannilion> Yup
[07:35] <frankapimenta> lol
[07:35] <sponix> maybe if I tarball my dot dir for amarok, wanna try my config for it ?
[07:35] <alexicon> yep
[07:36] <frankapimenta> yah
[07:36] <alexicon> go for it sponix
[07:36] <Dannilion> I just got mine working
[07:36] <frankapimenta> my your do work?
[07:36] <frankapimenta> yha but your issue was the same in the engine ?
[07:36] <Dannilion> yup
[07:36] <alexicon> xine right frankapimenta
[07:36] <alexicon> heh
[07:36] <sponix> let me get the headphones and make sure mine functions before I tarball the config
[07:36] <TBKDan> Bit of a hurry to get something installed... does Kubuntu have the ability to boot off of a USB drive?
[07:36] <Dannilion> xine could not load any audio-drivers, using void-engine instead
[07:36] <frankapimenta> i tried xine engine but didnt work
[07:37] <sponix> in the mean time, how do I get a full package listing of what I have installed through apt ?
[07:37] <frankapimenta> void engine?
[07:37] <frankapimenta> ok
[07:37] <sponix> someone riddle me that
[07:37] <frankapimenta> i ll install
[07:37] <DaSkreech> frankapimenta: What are you trying to play?
[07:37] <alexicon> howd you dump that with apt sponix
[07:37] <Dannilion> you don't want void-engine! It's no engine
[07:37] <frankapimenta> dream theater
[07:37] <DaSkreech> sponix: dpkg --get-list
[07:37] <frankapimenta> lool
[07:37] <frankapimenta> ah ok
[07:37] <frankapimenta> lool
[07:37] <frankapimenta> yah yah
[07:37] <DaSkreech> frankapimenta: What are you trying to play?
[07:37] <alexicon> cheers
[07:37] <frankapimenta> sorry my english is not perfect dannilion
[07:37] <frankapimenta> mp3
[07:38] <frankapimenta> i my tring to play mp3 files
[07:38] <DaSkreech> sponix: dpkg --get-selections :)
[07:38] <Dannilion> that's fine frankapimenta
[07:38] <frankapimenta> i' gona try amarok with void engine
[07:38] <DaSkreech> !mp3 > frankapimenta
[07:38] <DaSkreech> frankapimenta: Read that :0
[07:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:38] <frankapimenta> i'll feadback soon
[07:39] <Dannilion> frankapimenta: don't try and use the void-engine, it won't work
[07:39] <Dannilion> instead, we're going to get your xine-engine working
[07:40] <sponix> something tells me this wonderful amarok doesn't do well when you first dump a few thousand songs at it
[07:40] <sponix> its doing some gay update thing, doesn't want to play my song yet
[07:41] <alexicon> heh
[07:41] <alexicon> ooh
[07:41] <alexicon> that just crashed adept
[07:41] <alexicon> lol
[07:43] <sponix> doesnt' seem to play the song I specify, but its playing music -- if you call it that :)
[07:43] <alexicon> lol sponix
[07:45] <sponix> crazy
[07:45] <alexicon> my previous problem was that amarok scrolled through my whole collection submitting to last.fm, but not playing any sound heh
[07:45] <sensei> Why doesn't people use xmms anymore ?
[07:45] <alexicon> i just dont like xmms
[07:45] <alexicon> i prefer mpd
[07:45] <alexicon> and that said
[07:45] <sensei> Why not? Just out of curiosity
[07:46] <alexicon> gmpc doesnt work in kubuntu either
[07:46] <Dannilion> xmms is ugly
[07:46] <alexicon> just lack of features
[07:46] <Dannilion> and I can't read the writing on it
[07:46] <sponix> alexicon:  am I the one picking the songs on this thing, or are you ?
[07:46] <alexicon> and if im going for lack of features, id rather have a sound daemon
[07:46] <alexicon> @_@ sponix
[07:46] <sponix> alexicon:  its nutty, let me try again now that its finally done loading
[07:46] <sensei> What features are you missing ?
[07:46] <alexicon> and i dont like the interface on xmms
[07:46] <fiyawerx> !easysource
[07:46] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:47] <sensei> Dannilion: Point taken
[07:47] <alexicon> like all the amarok features sensei :P
[07:47] <fiyawerx> has anyone here succesfully used automatix or easybuntu?
[07:47] <alexicon> its just much more organised
[07:47] <felix_E> jep. amarok kicks ass. seriously.
[07:47] <fiyawerx> Dannilion: did you like it?
[07:47] <Dannilion> yup
[07:47] <alexicon> all the playlist stuff amarok has, and its general prettiness
[07:48] <sponix> thing just told me I'm rediscovering my musing with Amarok fast forward -- I just want it to play the right freaking songs :P
[07:48] <alexicon> if im willing to spend the mem on a music app i want it to sing and dance and look real pretty for me :P
[07:48] <alexicon> hrmm 1.3.9 wont even load my collection now @_@
[07:48] <alexicon> this is really unpredictable
[07:49] <sensei> alexicon: Yeah, all the 8 mbs xmms takes ;)
[07:49] <alexicon> i can use mpd/mpc/ncmpc fine, which uses next to no mem and is a lovely sound daemon
[07:49] <sensei> But I'm not arguing FOR xmms, just wondering why people rarely use it anymore
[07:49] <alexicon> i might just work on getting mpdscribble working
[07:49] <alexicon> thats easier
[07:49] <alexicon> i stopped using xmms when i found mpd
[07:49] <felix_E> alexicon: 1.3.9 didnt load my collection after downgrading from 1.4 either. had to delete the collection.db file
[07:49] <alexicon> everything in mpd is pipeable
[07:50] <alexicon> including the sound output
[07:50] <alexicon> its a great package
[07:50] <alexicon> and doesnt need me in X to play music
[07:50] <alexicon> amarok i just started using for novelty value
[07:50] <alexicon> ok felix_E
[07:52] <alexicon> ok so 1.3.9 says it plays the track for 1 second, then says its finished
[07:52] <alexicon> and goes through the whole playlist like that
[07:53] <sponix> anyone working the amarok chan ?
[07:54] <alexicon> heh shall we? amarok works fine in other distros tho. including ubuntu
[07:54] <alexicon> i think this is a kubuntu issue
[07:54] <sponix> alexicon:  might be, I started with ubuntu this time, and install kubuntu/xubuntu after
[07:55] <sponix> alexicon:  so, I still have it playing the same track, exactly what do I need to get a specific song ;)
[07:55] <felix_E> alexicon: sounds like your missing the codecs.
[07:55] <alexicon> nah felix_E mpd plays mp3ds just fine
[07:55] <Dannilion> I installed Dapper flight 8 64 bit, then downgraded to i386 on the 31st May (while keeping my /home partition)
[07:55] <felix_E> alexicon: using the same engine?
[07:56] <alexicon> amarok might not be able to find the codecs or something. but 1.3.9 isnt complaining about anything. no errors
[07:56] <Dannilion> didn't have this problem till I completely reformetted and installed the i286 version again
[07:56] <alexicon> hrm not sure what engine mpd uses
[07:56] <felix_E> hmkay. which engine? for xine you might want to install "libxine-extracodecs" from universe.
[07:57] <alexicon> k felix_E will try
[07:57] <Dannilion> I've got the libxine-extracodecs :P
[07:57] <alexicon> hrm i dont see that
[07:57] <alexicon> im sure ive got universe
[07:57] <alexicon> ive got stuff like mplayer etc.
[07:58] <alexicon> is that in adept, or just apt-get libxine-extracodecs
[07:58] <martynda> hi, i set up vsftpd and can log in just fine from a linux machine, however when using filezilla, i get a "Could not retrieve directory listing" error, any help?
[07:58] <sensei> multiverse \o/
[07:58] <alexicon> yeah ive got them all :P
[07:58] <sensei> martynda: Passive vs. active mode?
[07:59] <martynda> hmm good question, this is for someone else, need to email and ask them
[07:59] <sensei> That's usually the culprit
[08:00] <martynda> would that be a setting on the ftp client?
[08:00] <sensei> Yeah
[08:00] <martynda> cool, thanks
[08:01] <sponix> couple people up in the amarok chan now
[08:01] <alexicon> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:01] <sponix> alexicon:  I have it, maybe you need a new sources.list
[08:02] <alexicon> hrm
[08:02] <alexicon> i added all the repositories and update quite frequently @_@
[08:08] <sponix> alexicon:  minus that one track, I have no sound now --- HAPPY ;)
[08:09] <alexicon> hey now, i didnt start this ;)
[08:09] <alexicon> we've got a bunch of people rockin this boat lol
[08:09] <alexicon> the arts engine wont even install for me :P
[08:10] <sensei> What is your problems really?
[08:11] <alexicon> sensei: are you meaning that in a condesending way, or is it just bad english?
[08:12] <felix_E> alexicon: whats the problem with installing the arts-engine?
[08:12] <sensei> alexicon: Ok, what are your problems?
[08:12] <alexicon> its saying its installed in adept, but i dont see it on the list in amarok
[08:12] <alexicon> i still only have xine engine in amarok
[08:12] <sensei> (Not in the condescending way)
[08:12] <DrBair> whenever I mount a cdrom, the mount point becomes owned by UID 400, GID 401. Any ideas?
[08:13] <alexicon> i tried adding libarts-xine too but that hasnt helped
[08:13] <felix_E> na, you need amarok-arts
[08:13] <alexicon> yeah i got that
[08:13] <alexicon> well adept says i have that
[08:13] <sensei> Shoud I have asked what the issue was perhaps ?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> alexicon: can You play oggs?
[08:14] <felix_E> sudo apt-get install --reinstall amarok-arts
[08:14] <felix_E> perhaps?
[08:14] <alexicon> dont have any oggs. but i can play mp3s in different applications. just not amarok
[08:14] <felix_E> strange, anyway.
[08:14] <DaSkreech> alexicon: There is one in the Examples Folder
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Alt+Enter -> type Examples
[08:15] <DaSkreech> alexicon: do you have libxine-extracodecs?
[08:15] <monomaniacpat> where does the joystick settings file save to?
[08:15] <alexicon> no DaSkreech dont have libxine-extracodecs
[08:15] <alexicon> apt says it isnt there
[08:15] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Might want to install that :)
[08:15] <alexicon> but ive got all the repositories
[08:15] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Sure?
[08:16] <alexicon> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:16] <monomaniacpat> guys? do you know?
[08:16] <DaSkreech> alexicon: do you have libxine1c2?
[08:16] <alexicon> also not available
[08:17] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Then you don't have multiverse
[08:17] <alexicon> its uncommented in adept though
[08:17] <alexicon> whats the actually sources file again?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Can You pastebin your sources.list?
[08:18] <alexicon> yeah they are uncommented
[08:18] <sponix> its /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <alexicon> yeah
[08:18] <sponix> I can post mine to pastebin if you like ?
[08:19] <alexicon> wheres the pastebin?
[08:19] <alexicon> never used it before
[08:19] <monomaniacpat> !paste
[08:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:19] <monomaniacpat> where does the joystick settings file save to?
[08:20] <alexicon> ok put it in as alexicon sources
[08:20] <alexicon> only ones not in my sources is security universe...
[08:21] <sponix> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17273
[08:21] <sponix> thats my current sources.list it has opera web-browser in there also
[08:22] <monomaniacpat> where does the joystick settings file save to?
[08:22] <sponix> you can just cp yours to sources.list.crap and then cp that one in
[08:22] <sponix> sound work pretty decent
[08:22] <alexicon> whoa thats a lot
[08:22] <sponix> it has comments from Breezy, wifes box here was Breezy to start with
[08:22] <sponix> upgrade went well btw :)
[08:22] <alexicon> lucky you :P
[08:23] <alexicon> nrrr
[08:23] <sponix> never mind, I took the Breezy out it seems
[08:23] <alexicon> whered all the other amarok people go to...
[08:23] <omeow> lovely xorg.conf configuration for dual monitors... love it love it
[08:23] <alexicon> this is too big a bug, i think im just going to work with mpdscribble. thats all i want
[08:24] <DaSkreech> alexicon: How goes that pastebin? :)
[08:24] <felix_E> probably file a bug regarding that tomorrow or so...
[08:24] <felix_E> cya guys
[08:24] <sensei> When changing my default browser in kcontrol, is there a varible for the url ?
[08:25] <sensei> opera -remote "openURL("%u","new-page")"
[08:25] <alexicon> DaSkreech: its called alexicon sources
[08:25] <sensei> As in %u ?
[08:25] <alexicon> bye felix_E
[08:25] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Give us the URL :)
[08:25] <sponix> anyone tried nuking arts completely ?
[08:25] <alexicon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17272
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Thansk
[08:25] <sponix> I might give that a shot, and just listen to the dep bitches for a bit
[08:25] <monomaniacpat> Has anyone here used the joystick configurator in KDE?
[08:25] <alexicon> heh sponix
[08:26] <alexicon> i kinda wan to try this outside of kde
[08:26] <sponix> after trying to switch to alsa, etc ... I get a bunch of crashes now for amarok
[08:26] <alexicon> might give it a go in fluxbox, easier to separate arts there
[08:26] <sponix> alexicon:  I'm gonna suck the cvs and build it from source, with && without arts support
[08:26] <alexicon> ok sponix
[08:26] <sponix> I have xubuntu/xfce, never thought to try it there
[08:26] <monomaniacpat> do you guys even see my msgs? Just wondering, like..
[08:26] <sponix> as a diff user etc .. might be worth a shot
[08:26] <sensei> alexicon: You can just disable arts in kcontrol if not
[08:27] <sponix> monomaniacpat:  we get them, just ignoring you ;)
[08:27] <alexicon> yeah sensei i have tried that
[08:27] <monomaniacpat> lol
[08:27] <sensei> That's got the same effect as running fluxbox anyways
[08:27] <monomaniacpat> is there anywhere else that might tell me more about that app?
[08:29] <DaSkreech> alexicon: ok I see :)
[08:29] <DaSkreech>  You have multiverse in backports
[08:29] <alexicon> ah gotcha
[08:29] <DaSkreech> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Put multiverse at the end of that line and the one beneath it
[08:31] <sponix> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:31] <omeow> DaSkreech: You seem to be here quite a bit.
[08:31] <sponix> the amarok page has a fancy place for the 1.4.1, I'm gonna try the upgrade before I gripe anymore
[08:31] <DaSkreech> omeow: Shh You'll blow my cover as a bum
[08:32] <omeow> :)
[08:32] <omeow> I was hoping you might have some insight into this issue I keep running into; http://omeow.ath.cx/displaymodule-broken.png
[08:33] <DaSkreech> sponix: Whats the issue
[08:33] <omeow> I'm using KDE 3.5.3.
[08:33] <sponix> DaSkreech:  music player without sound :)
[08:33] <alexicon> sponix: i tried that version hehe
[08:34] <sponix> alexicon:  darn ... was worth a shot
[08:34] <DaSkreech> sponix: Can it play ogg?
[08:34] <alexicon> thats the one that said it couldnt find my audio device, then changed its mind to say it couldnt find the audio decoder
[08:34] <alexicon> but gl with it
[08:34] <DaSkreech> omeow: That happens as soon as you open it?
[08:34] <ckd> Hello
[08:34] <omeow> That's right. But let me tell you a little more about my system.
[08:34] <ckd> what is the diffrent between Kanotix vs Kubuntu ?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Have you tried to reconfigure X?
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> ckd: Kanotix run's alot faster
[08:36] <ckd> faster ?
[08:36] <ckd> why ?
[08:36] <BKaj> Howdy
[08:36] <omeow> I have an nvidia 6600 GT with two 19" TFT's hooked up. If I define more than one metamode in my xorg.conf file, KDM starts up fine, 2560x1024. But when I then login to KDE, I get 1600x600 or if I defined single monitor metamodes too, it'll only use one display.
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> ckd: Haven't managed to find that out yet
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> ckd: If you are bothered about every icon looking perfect than kanotix is probably not for you] 
[08:37] <alexicon> wont play ogg either, says device is busy that time
[08:37] <omeow> Now.. I can switch to a different resolution with xrand -r #, but the problem with that is that it doesn't seem as if xinerama places the windows properly, it seems as if KDE still thinks I use a single monitor and therefor it'll span windows over the entire desktop.
[08:37] <ckd> ?
[08:37] <monomaniacpat> where does the joystick settings file save to?
[08:37] <alexicon> anyway im just going to conceed here and say amarok does not work with kubuntu
[08:37] <alexicon> im happy using mpd
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> ckd: You talking about a live cd or an install ?
[08:37] <ckd> install
[08:37] <omeow> Perhaps I should try posting this stuff on the forums or something. I have too much info and there's too much going on in IRC.
[08:37] <ckd> on hd
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> ckd: An install of kanotix is basically debian sid (pretty decently configured though)
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> ckd: I run it on my laptop (which kubuntu is unusably slow on)
[08:38] <ckd> oh
[08:38] <ckd> thats really bad
[08:39] <omeow> DaSkreech: xorg reconfiguration however, doesn't detect my second monitor, but works fine for a single monitor setup. but as you might have guessed, I want to use both my monitors on the same desktop.
[08:39] <ckd> I self use kanotix, past a half year, and I look for a easy distri for my Girlfriends notebook PIII , 512 DDR 40GB
[08:39] <DaSkreech> monomaniacpat: Have you tried Google :) I'd wager somewhere uner /etc
[08:40] <DaSkreech> omeow: The Ubuntu FOrums would be a good jump off point
[08:40] <omeow> I've tried searching the forums already, but I'll try some more.
[08:40] <DaSkreech> omeow: I mean post something :)
[08:40] <jihi> hi, everytime i boot my laptop, it runs fsck on my FAT32 partition, how can i disable that ?
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> ckd: I only have 256Mb of ram on my laptop
[08:41] <ckd> this sucks
[08:41] <alexicon> does kubuntu have an official bug site? or does it share with ubuntu?
[08:41] <ckd> Host/Kernel/OS  "RELOAD-LOKI" running Linux 2.6.16.16-kanotix-1 i686 [ KANOTIX 2006 Easter  ] 
[08:41] <ckd> CPU Info        Intel Pentium 4 clocked at [ 2806.944 MHz ] 
[08:41] <ckd> Videocard       nVidia NV31M [GeForce FX Go5600]   X.Org 7.0.0  [ 1024x768 @60hz ] 
[08:41] <ckd> Processes 127 | Uptime 5:16 | Memory 992.402/1008.14MB | HDD Size 60GB (88%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce FX Go5600/AGP/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.0.2 NVIDIA 87.62 | Client Konversation 0.19 | Infobash v2.50rc12
[08:41] <ckd> :)
[08:41] <omeow> DaSkreech: Something else to note by the way, that k-guidance thing works for me with a single monitor, and when I then use kguidance to set up both monitors, all I get is a gross xorg.conf file that makes my screens too large, so I have to scroll on the borders.
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> ckd: How do you get infobash working with konversation ?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> omeow: Argh I hate that :)
[08:42] <jpatrick> alexicon: https://launchpad.net/malone
[08:42] <ckd> with /exec infobash -v
[08:43] <alexicon> thanks jpatrick
[08:44] <sponix> alexicon:  get anything yet, I'm trying builds without arts, and without xine-engine .. and so on, see if I can come up with something
[08:44] <sponix> a workaround is better than nothing
[08:44] <aeon17x> thanks sponix
[08:45] <alexicon> sorry sponix ive got to get some work done today, im looking at submitting [or to see if someone has submitted]  an offical bug for this
[08:46] <sponix> anyone know what package the X includes/headers are in ?
[08:46] <crimsun> sponix: xproto-foo
[08:47] <sponix> wtf ?
[08:47] <sensei> Damn, I'd guessed xserver-xorg-dev
[08:48] <sponix> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[08:48] <sponix> brb
[08:49] <alexicon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/37248
[08:50] <monomaniacpat> can anyone  tell me where the joystick application saves the configuration to?
[08:50] <alexicon> sorry monomaniacpat never used a joystick on pc before
[08:50] <alexicon> sucks getting no response, but i guess no one else has used a joystick either
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> alexicon: I use a super smartjoy with a super nintendo controller and it just works (never used the joystick application)
[08:51] <alexicon> talk to monomaniacpat
[08:52] <monomaniacpat> h3sp4wn: I want to know where the configurator saves its settings. I need to read it...
[08:53] <DaSkreech> monomaniacpat: Whats the name of the configuratior>
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> What is the configurator ? from system settings ?
[08:53] <monomaniacpat> h3sp4wn: yes the one in sys settings
[08:54] <sponix> crimsun:  amarok still complains that it can't find them, they don't go t a non-standard place, do they ?
[08:54] <crimsun> sponix: erm, you need ``apt-get build-dep amarok''
[08:54] <sponix> sensei:  I mean .. I just did xserver-org-dev and amarok still doesn't find them :)
[08:55] <sponix> crimsun:  aww, wicked ;)
[08:55] <sponix> 133Meg more ;)
[08:55] <sponix> fun
[08:56] <sensei> sponix: I was just guessing, I'm not that well familiar with the packages yet
[08:56] <alexicon> it works!
[08:56] <alexicon> 1.3.9 does
[08:56] <DaSkreech> monomaniacpat: Perhaps you could ask in #kde
[08:56] <alexicon> with the xine extra codecs
[08:56] <DaSkreech> tell them you used kcontrol :)
[08:57] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Told ya :)
[08:57] <sponix> who knows, its a mess though
[08:57] <DaSkreech> I'd think that sponix has the same issue  :)
[08:57] <alexicon> heh
[08:57] <alexicon> now dare i upgrade back to 1.4.1
[08:57] <alexicon> ...
[08:57] <sponix> I was getting a _bit_ of sound outta it before, it was the wrong song -- but it did place "one time"
[08:58] <alexicon> or shall i not tempt fate now
[08:58] <monomaniacpat> DaSkreech: I did ask in #kde and they were having an argument and ignored me :x
[08:58] <DaSkreech> alexicon: Enjoy it for two days :)
[08:58] <alexicon> lol yeah
[08:58] <alexicon> good idea
[08:58] <alexicon> <3
[08:58] <sponix> I just did the 1.4.1 update from the amarok.kde.org site, and have a fatter error now :P
[08:58] <alexicon> :$
[08:58] <DaSkreech> monomaniacpat: Haha :) Then ask here till they stop throwing flaming spears
[08:58] <bipolar> isn't there a system tray applet for controling pcmcia cards? I'd like to find a better way to eject them without running cardctl eject every time. :)
[08:58] <alexicon> yeah sponix 1.4.1 had errors, where 1.3.9 just mysteriously didnt play when it swore it was :P
[08:59] <h3sp4wn> I built the ones on sid this morning and it seems to work fine (on edgy)
[08:59] <alexicon> DaSkreech: do you have 1.4.1 working out of curiosity
[08:59] <sponix> wait, now its working !
[08:59] <alexicon> lol!
[08:59] <DaSkreech> alexicon: I have 1.4.0
[08:59] <alexicon> which version sponix
[08:59] <sponix> all I had to do was threaten to build it from sources !
[08:59] <DaSkreech> I'm waiting till 1.4.1a ;-)
[09:00] <alexicon> lol sponix
[09:00] <alexicon> hehe DaSkreech
[09:00] <alexicon> yeah im just happy to submit for now
[09:00] <sponix> 1.4.1 from amarok.kde.org directions, did a bunch of other installs though, as deps
[09:00] <alexicon> i can live with that :)
[09:00] <alexicon> thanks a lot for the support and sweat you guys ;)
[09:00] <DaSkreech> Send us cake!
[09:01] <sponix> apt-get install libtunepimp2c2a libtunepimp2-dev
[09:01] <sponix> apt-get install libmad0 libxine-extracodecs
[09:01] <sponix> alexicon:  try those real fast, see if that support helps
[09:02] <sponix> and I used this repos for my sources.list deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main
[09:02] <alexicon> cool
[09:02] <sponix> apt-get install amarok amarok-engines
[09:03] <sponix> that is a mix of added support from 2 diff websites, but it seems the combo made it work
[09:03] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:03] <DaSkreech> sponix: Want to know the secret?
[09:03] <sponix> of course, I'm in the middle of adding 133Meg of dev files, because I was gonna make an attempt to build without arts/xine etc ;)
[09:03] <sponix> DaSkreech:  making a threat to build the biatch from source ?
[09:03] <Lynoure> Does kubuntu come wirh some graphical mailreader installed as default?
[09:03] <Lynoure> If, which one?
[09:03] <sponix> Lynoure:  kmail
[09:03] <h3sp4wn> kmail ?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> sponix: All you needed to add was libxine-extracodecs ;-)
[09:04] <Lynoure> I'm wondering whether I removed it or never had it....
[09:04] <sponix> DaSkreech:  nope, did that earlier
[09:04] <Lynoure> kmail...
[09:04] <sponix> DaSkreech:  that might _help_ but wasn't the key to whatever made mine work :)
[09:04] <gatekeeper> sponix: find it in Kontact
[09:05] <Lynoure> starts from command line but does not show in the menu
[09:05] <sponix> I did like that apt-get buildep packageName command though, thats pretty slick
[09:06] <sponix> alexicon:  get yours working yet ?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> sponix: Yeah it roxors the socks :)
[09:06] <sponix> gotta run... Thanks for all the help
[09:06] <DaSkreech> sponix: [13:56]  <alexicon> it works!
[09:06] <Lynoure> Is that normal for it not to be in the menu? (probably not)
[09:06] <DaSkreech> sponix: We are getting a cake :)
[09:06] <gatekeeper> Lynoure: try K -> Office -> Kontact then select kmail
[09:06] <bipolar> is there no gui for ejecting pcmcia cards?
[09:07] <Cavallo> hi
[09:08] <Cavallo> is there any chance that I connect form windows machin to kubuntu machin in desktop remote control ?
[09:08] <nivanson> hi, i have ubuntu dapper drake installed. I want to switch to kubuntu desktop but if I install the kubuntu-desktop package i will still have the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop installed. I would like to clean my apt packages so i have ONLY kubuntu-desktop and it's dependencies installed. Is this possible?
[09:09] <jpatrick> nivanson: yes
[09:09] <DaSkreech> nivanson: remove everything but ubuntu-base :)
[09:09] <nivanson> I'll try it :) Thx
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> nivanson: Only easily if you have been using aptitude all the time (no adept or synaptic) then you just remove ubuntu-desktop and it takes everything with it
[09:09] <nivanson> Uh one more thing
[09:10] <bipolar> Cavallo: yes. you can do it using VNC
[09:10] <jpatrick> nivanson: remove libgtk1.2-common
[09:10] <jpatrick> h3sp4wn: that won't do it
[09:10] <nivanson> yeah i use it normally since it has flags :) thanks aot guys
[09:10] <bipolar> Cavallo: You do it though the kde control panel.
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> jpatrick: It does for me - if I install ubuntu-desktop now and then remove it with aptitude it takes all its deps with it
[09:11] <bipolar> Cavallo: or, "System Settings" in kubuntu
[09:11] <jpatrick> :(
[09:11] <alexicon> and no sponix got a segfault with that 1.4.1 update :P
[09:12] <bipolar> Cavallo: System Settings > Internet & Network: Sharing > Desktop Sharing
[09:12] <sponix> alexicon:  I did first run, but it said to wait a minute it would update some crap.. And I did -- And it worked after that :)
[09:12] <alexicon> hrm
[09:12] <alexicon> ok no seg fault
[09:12] <sponix> alexicon:  so, what ver do you have going ?
[09:12] <alexicon> but my old audio error
[09:12] <alexicon> heh
[09:12] <Cavallo> bipolar: but when I want to connect fron win. computer to kubntu I must use the same setting as if i want to connect win. to win. computer ?
[09:12] <alexicon> i got 1.3.9 working
[09:12] <bipolar> Cavallo: You need to use a VNC client
[09:12] <sponix> alexicon:  I'm more sexy, with my 1.4.1 !
[09:12] <alexicon> yeah back to the xine issue
[09:12] <alexicon> hehe
[09:12] <alexicon> lol
[09:13] <alexicon> i prefer the look of 1.3.9, 1.4.1 forces its own ugly icons
[09:13] <alexicon> hehehe
[09:13] <alexicon> ah well
[09:13] <alexicon> i'll be waitin for 1.4.1a
[09:13] <Cavallo> bipolar:  ok. Thanks! ;)
[09:13] <bipolar> Cavallo: no prob
[09:13] <bipolar> Now can anyone help me find a cardctl gui?
[09:13] <monomaniacpat> Any here that can tell me about where the settings from the Joystick app in sys settings saves?
[09:14] <sponix> alexicon:  wouldn't 1.4.1a be before 1.4.1 ... the _alpha_ or do they do versioning diff ?
[09:14] <alexicon> oh dunno actually
[09:14] <alexicon> doh
[09:15] <alexicon> now to get 1.3.9 back
[09:15] <monomaniacpat> what was the amarok update updating today?
[09:15] <crimsun> sponix: 1.4.1a > 1.4.1
[09:15] <alexicon> hm? what about what
[09:16] <alexicon> i just couldnt get 1.4.1 working monomaniacpat thats all
[09:16] <sponix> crimsun:  that seems odd, normally alpa, beta, then final ... like 2.4.6a 2.4.6b then 2.4.6 ...
[09:16] <sponix> crimsun:  but some people version differently ;)
[09:16] <monomaniacpat> yeah, but what was in it that constituted an 'update'?
[09:17] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: thank you. Interesting place for it.
[09:17] <alexicon> bugger
[09:17] <crimsun> sponix: debian package versioning is not necessarily strongly correlated to release versioning
[09:17] <alexicon> back to having problems
[09:17] <alexicon> i shouldnt have tried to update...
[09:17] <alexicon> meh
[09:17] <sponix> crimsun:  I see
[09:17] <monomaniacpat> is there a way to view the most recent changes to your computer? what files were modified, when?
[09:17] <gatekeeper> Lynoure: knode new reader turns up there to if you install it :-)
[09:18] <alexicon> NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:18] <gatekeeper> news reader even ooops
[09:18] <alexicon> meh
[09:18] <alexicon> its all broken again
[09:18] <alexicon> >_<
[09:19] <alexicon> :'(
[09:19] <DaSkreech> hahaha :)
[09:19] <DaSkreech> What's wrong?
[09:19] <alexicon> xine cant find audio device
[09:21] <alexicon> now its working again
[09:21] <alexicon> @_@
[09:21] <DaSkreech> alexicon: erm..
[09:21] <alexicon> omg this is driving me crazy
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Yeeeahhhhh
[09:21] <alexicon> i reinstalled it twice, now its working with oss
[09:21] <alexicon> >_>
[09:21] <DaSkreech> <_<
[09:22] <alexicon> ok. right
[09:22] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: I wonder how easility newbies find the mail client from kontact... or is it outlookish (yuck) enough for most people?
[09:22] <alexicon> its working. im good, youre good, yay
[09:22] <alexicon> heh
[09:22] <alexicon> hi Lynoure
[09:22] <alexicon> :)
[09:22] <kosh> Lynoure: considering the second entry is mail I would guess it is pretty easy
[09:22] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: nowadays I try to avoid usenet unless I really need it/miss it. :)
[09:23] <Lynoure> kosh: I had to ask... and even after using kontact... in short, didn't expect a PIM have a mail client.
[09:24] <kosh> Lynoure: the people I know that have used outlook seem to use it with no problems
[09:24] <kosh> Lynoure: however I don't use it, I just use the programs directly like kmail etc
[09:24] <Lynoure> kosh: ok, that's what I was curious about
[09:25] <Lynoure> kosh: I usually use mutt but just remembered an account that I want to look at graphically :) Before it disappears a month from now, or so
[09:26] <kosh> I switched to kmail a good while ago, I like the live searches and other features
[09:26] <kosh> and I have about 4GB of email right now
[09:26] <gatekeeper> Lynoure: I don't mind contact. News groups can be usefull unfortunately some of the linux seem to suffer with problems you could do without
[09:27] <gatekeeper> Lynoure: ooops Kontact - can't type tonight :-)
[09:27] <SpAwN> whats the best way to install a package using cli?
[09:27] <gnomefreak> SpAwN: sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[09:27] <gnomefreak> SpAwN: or aptitude but becareful with aptitude
[09:28] <SpAwN> well...i shoulda specified i have dled the *.deb
[09:28] <gnomefreak> SpAwN: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[09:28] <SpAwN> gnomefreak: thanks =D
[09:28] <kosh> gatekeeper: the strange thing is the people that experience problems that many of the developers can just never reproduce
[09:28] <gnomefreak> yw
[09:28] <kosh> gatekeeper: I have helped people before that got an error for a package conflict with another package
[09:28] <gatekeeper> gnomefreak: SpAwN: I have heard bad things abot aptitude
[09:28] <kosh> gatekeeper: even with the exact version numbers of the package that conflicted none of us could find any issues
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> I think aptitude is perfect
[09:29] <Chryseus> kosh: my brother is master in producing problems that I never encounter :D
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> (well compared to anything else)
[09:29] <gnomefreak> gatekeeper: aptitude is fine if you read and know the packages
[09:29] <kosh> I just use apt-get
[09:29] <kosh> been working great for a very long time
[09:29] <kosh> Chryseus: the sound stuff I realy don't get the problems that people have
[09:30] <kosh> Chryseus: I have not had a sound issue with linux in about 6 years
[09:30] <monomaniacpat> is there a way to view the most recent changes to your computer? what files were modified, when?
[09:30] <kosh> Chryseus: I got an sblive long ago and the problems completely stopped, heck my windows sound problems completely stopped also
[09:30] <kosh> monomaniacpat: you can use kfind and see for files modified within a certain timeframe
[09:30] <Chryseus> kosh: I have had soundblaster for ages and no problems
[09:31] <Chryseus> kosh: get some wierd cheap on-board sound chip and all you get is trouble
[09:31] <kosh> my current card is an audigy2 zs and the problems I had with that had nothing to do with getting sound out of
[09:31] <kosh> it has to do with getting the mixers set right for the surround sound and that was an issue under windows also although harder under windows
[09:31] <Chryseus> kosh: You'll get troubl in windows in too if you lose the driver cd ;P
[09:31] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: I had my fair share of newsgroups in the nineties :)
[09:32] <kosh> in windows my biggest problem was quicktime for some reason the older versions of quicktime used to like to reset the sound card mixer levels it would also reset my card to stereo
[09:32] <kosh> they finally stopped doing that but god was that annoying, creative ever added a setting to their driver panel to stop other applications from screwing with the sound card
[09:33] <Chryseus> never like quicktime for some reason
[09:33] <Chryseus> liked
[09:33] <Chryseus> it just seemed so... 3rd party :D
[09:34] <kosh> I don't worship at the holy apple altar and not everything they do is good
[09:34] <kosh> some of their stuff is absolute pos
[09:34] <kosh> however lots of problems go away with windows, linux, bsd etc by getting good hardware
[09:34] <Chryseus> true
[09:34] <kosh> a good case, power supply and cooling make a lot of issues go away
[09:35] <kosh> I have helped people fix all their "windows" crashing problems that where
[09:35] <kosh> "obviously" windows fault by just replacing the psu and the case
[09:35] <DaSkreech> I normally just replace the windows with stained GlassTux
[09:35] <unix_infidel> kosh: LOL, i have an old case from 1995, a 500W PSU and no cooling and a sempron 3100+
[09:35] <kosh> I like to be more realistic about the quality of these things and nail microsoft for what it really does wrong
[09:35] <Chryseus> kosh: heh.. I had one of those once
[09:35] <unix_infidel> i have temps around 35C
[09:35] <unix_infidel> LOL
[09:36] <kosh> not nailing them for stability problems that are the problem of very cheap hardware
[09:36] <kosh> unix_infidel: a lot of the older stuff is actually of higher quality
[09:36] <Chryseus> kosh: my motherboard had some nice feature that freezed os if processor was going too hot.. well in windows that happened quite a lot but after I installed linux it stopped... never thought that linux just used less processing power
[09:36] <kosh> unix_infidel: the modern cramped plastic cases just suck for cooling
[09:37] <unix_infidel> kosh: actually, if you buy a mostly aluminum case, it works pretty well.
[09:37] <kosh> Chryseus: did it happen with the 9x series or the nt series?
[09:37] <Chryseus> nt
[09:37] <kosh> unix_infidel: yup that is my point the metal cases cool VASTLY better since they lost a lot of heat through the sides etc
[09:37] <unix_infidel> but i could care less, i'm fine with not having to invest in any fans.
[09:37] <kosh> Chryseus: hmm that is strange
[09:38] <Chryseus> but it happened with linux too if I did something that was very hard on processor
[09:38] <Chryseus> after which I found out about the feature on motherboard and tested with huge and loud fan and it never happened again
[09:39] <Chryseus> these days I have new motherboard and water cooling so no problems ;D
[09:40] <kosh> plastic cases can pretty much only lose heat through the fans and any vents
[09:40] <kosh> metal cases can lose heat along the entire surface area
[09:40] <kosh> that is why metal cases are a LOT better and help computer stability, things just don't heat up as much
[09:46] <SpAwN> does anyone in here use cedega on kubuntu?.....
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: #cedega
[09:47] <SpAwN> i asked in there.......was wanting to know if it ran good for other kubuntu users
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> I tried the 14 day trial version once and the only game I tried didn't work
[09:48] <SpAwN> hmm....my games worked when i was on mandriva...but now they dont seem to work.........
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> Do they list kubuntu as a supported distribution ?
[09:48] <SpAwN> im wondering if there is something different i need to change to get them working
[09:48] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn: im not even sure
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> It seemed like a horrible hack to me so I didn't try any further
[09:49] <lz1gjd> hey, could any1 tell me if there's any other difference between ubuntu and kubuntu besides the kdesktop ?
[09:49] <SpAwN> well i know cedega works good...ive expericnced it 1st hand
[09:50] <kosh> lz1gjd: ubuntu defaults to gnome, kubuntu defaults to kde that is the entire difference
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Do you need to install a full copy of windows to get it to work ? Or should it work without ?
[09:50] <kosh> lz1gjd: they both use the same repository, they are completely compatible, it is just a question of defaults
[09:50] <lz1gjd> ic, thx
[09:50] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn:  what u  mean?
[09:50] <lz1gjd> so i could install gnome packages on kubuntu and vice versa ?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> lz1gjd: Yup
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Hi Snake
[09:51] <Snake> hey DaSkreech
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: Do you need to have all the dll's from a real windows installation or not ?
[09:51] <lz1gjd> one more question, is there a way to instlal yast graphical configuration tools on kubuntu ?
[09:51] <Snake> lz1gjd: yast is a suse specialty
[09:51] <lz1gjd> so, no ?
[09:51] <Snake> Correct
[09:52] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn: no clue man....i use cedega so i dont have to know that kinda stuff ;D
[09:52] <SpAwN> i know i have newest cedega stuff though
[09:52] <Snake> lz1gjd: Youll find the control panel is okay, but I agree, yast is godly ;)
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> SpAwN: It never worked for me
[09:52] <lz1gjd> damn, im new to kubuntu, being a suse user for quite a time, but for some reason some apps seem to start more slowly than they do on suse, is it just me ?
[09:52] <zorglu1> SpAwN: is it possible to run cygwin sdk, gcc and stuff, from within cedega ?
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> lz1gjd: Its not you suse does do things to speed up kde
[09:53] <Snake> lz1gjd: no your right, the kubuntu KDE is rather slow
[09:53] <SpAwN> cygwin sdk....
[09:53] <SpAwN> not sure what that is
[09:53] <Snake> h3sp4wn: its not just suse dude, kubuntu's kde is slower
[09:53] <SpAwN> ....and why would i want to use gcc in cedega
[09:53] <zorglu1> SpAwN: to port a deamon on window. and i dont want to install window
[09:53] <h3sp4wn> Snake: I know kanotix is miles faster
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> Snake: But I think suse does some stuff specifically which speeds up kde
[09:54] <SpAwN> zorglu1: ok....not realy sure man.............i just wanna play cs:s
[09:54] <zorglu1> SpAwN: ok :)
[09:54] <SpAwN> =D
[09:54] <Snake> h3sp4wn: They used to, I believe theyve stopped, but not sure
[09:55] <lz1gjd> i've seen some parts of the boots process and it says laying out firefox, and other stuff, this probably is some kind of caching
[09:55] <Snake> most likely
[09:55] <Snake> lz1gjd: ive herd rumors of suse using unoffical speed hacks, pre-caching and symlinking, but I Cant for certain if its true or not
[09:57] <lz1gjd> so, recompiling the kde for my march wont do any difference in means of speed and responsiveness
[09:57] <kosh> nope
[09:57] <kosh> prelinking can work but there are still a few minor bugs that are caused by doing it
[09:57] <kosh> suse probably works around them
[10:00] <kosh> just run sudo prelink -afmR
[10:00] <kosh> and then use sudo vim /etc/environment and put a line in that says KDE_IS_PRELINKED=1
[10:00] <kosh> then just logout and login again
[10:00] <lz1gjd> i'll give it a try, thx
[10:01] <lz1gjd> is this util in official repositories ? can't find it
[10:02] <kosh> try just doing sudo apt-get install prelink
[10:03] <kosh> looks like it is in universe
[10:10] <SpAwN> zorglu1: ....just read back over your question.....im not sure if u can do that....u may want to look into vmware or zen
[10:10] <zorglu1> SpAwN: yep im looking at cedega web site and it really focused on gaming
[10:10] <SpAwN> zorglu1: yes
[10:10] <zorglu1> SpAwN: i think i will try qemu :)
[10:11] <zorglu1> ok maybe zen... but im not sure i can run window
[10:11] <zorglu1> i have to check the status on that
[10:11] <SpAwN> zorglu1: well from what ive read... zen is better but harder to use....and u need to make sure u can run zen
[10:11] <zorglu1> last time i looked zen was ok with window only on some very recent cpu
[10:11] <SpAwN> zorglu1: vmware is easy to use
[10:11] <zorglu1> SpAwN: is it free ?
[10:12] <SpAwN> umm
[10:12] <zorglu1> i have to pay something no ?
[10:12] <SpAwN> i dont think it is...but i think u can use a trial....
[10:13] <zorglu1> hehe the 'reinstall every 30days' trick :)
[10:13] <SpAwN> yea probly somthing along them lines....but from what ive read
[10:13] <SpAwN> u can make ready to go vm's like install vmware....install windows....get it all set upp.....then save it like that
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> zorglu1: You can create the virtual machines in vmware workstation (with the trial) and then run vmware player (which is free) to use them
[10:14] <SpAwN> so next time allu have to do is load the pre made vm
[10:14] <zorglu1> hmm ok thanks
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> zorglu1: But qemu is almost as fast with kqemu
[10:15] <zorglu1> i keep reading their website to go thru the buzzword stuff. quite painfull
[10:15] <zorglu1> h3sp4wn: you talk from experience ?
[10:15] <zorglu1> i mean is this reliable information
[10:15] <zorglu1> i would likely spend time doing qemu that vmware :)
[10:15] <SpAwN> zorglu1: my friend used to make pre built vm's.......so i know that much is possible
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> zorglu1: I don't use windows anymore at all but kqemu apparantly works with it and for emulating linux it is very fast
[10:16] <zorglu1> ok
[10:16] <zorglu1> i dunno why but i never trusted vmware
[10:16] <zorglu1> without explicit reason... strange hey
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> I remember reading that windows needs to be installed without kqemu but once it is installed it works fine
[10:17] <zorglu1> thanks for you help
[10:17] <zorglu1> !qemu
[10:17] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[10:17] <zorglu1> i will try this one :)
[10:17] <R3MI> Hi Guys, Kubuntu (Dapper6.06) was downloading SunJava trough Adept and it stopped responding at 28%. closed Adept and rebooted the computer. Now when i try to open Adept it Say Database Locked and that i wont be able to do any changes... what can i do !
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> You probably want qemu 0.81 - there is alot of speed improvements with it over 0.80
[10:20] <gatekeeper> R3MI: killall adept
[10:20] <Firebird8> how do you add a display to the systeam gaurd thing for ur taskbar?
[10:21] <zorglu1> h3sp4wn: ok noted
[10:21] <kosh> the problem is a stale lockfile most likely because of how the stuff was killed
[10:21] <zorglu1> that would be fun to telnet to an emulated winxp on a remote box running linux
[10:22] <zorglu1> that would show good on opensource btw :)
[10:22] <gatekeeper> R3MI: sunjava was probable waiting for you to answer a question when it go to 28%
[10:22] <R3MI> didnt had anything at the screen to answer, thats why i closed it
[10:23] <kosh> it was probably not a great idea to reboot
[10:23] <gatekeeper> R3MI: probable in a terminal
[10:23] <kosh> R3MI: can you please run sudo apt-get install whateverthenameofthejavathingis
[10:23] <kosh> I want to see what the error it returns is
[10:23] <R3MI> unfortunatly still have a windows mentality ! not a linux pro yet hehe
[10:25] <kosh> that is not a good way to fix problems on windows either
[10:25] <gatekeeper> kosh: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre :-)
[10:25] <kosh> could you run that command in a konsole window?
[10:25] <R3MI> in windows rebooting fix everything hahaha
[10:25] <kosh> it doesn't
[10:25] <kosh> it just hides the problems and makes things worse
[10:25] <zorglu1> R3MI: in case the other stuff fail, you may try dpkg --configure -a
[10:26] <zorglu1> i had similar problems and this is how fixed it
[10:26] <kosh> zorglu1: it might or might not work, I just want his system to identify the lockfile
[10:27] <R3MI> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem., doin it now
[10:27] <zorglu1> R3MI: listen to kosh :)
[10:28] <gatekeeper> bet it was asking you if you would agree to the licence
[10:28] <R3MI> what java should i install? i have a AMD Turion 64
[10:28] <Forkz> I've got a problem with my ATI driver... When i type glxgears in terminal, i should see my FPS but i only see the cogs... Anyone knows whats wrong?
[10:28] <zorglu1> gatekeeper: yep adept should be modified to popup the terminal in this case
[10:28] <R3MI> gatekeeper: you are probably right
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> Forkz: run 'strings glxgears'
[10:29] <kosh> Forkz: open a konsole window and type glxgears and hit enter
[10:29] <kosh> it should show the fps in that konsole window
[10:29] <zorglu1> zorglu1: R3MI: listen to kosh :) <- just reread and i realize it may appear ironic. well it is not
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> Forkz: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[10:29] <Forkz> h3sp4wn: Command not found
[10:30] <Forkz> kosh: That's what i've been doing all day :/
[10:30] <kosh> R3MI: I think that is the only java that you can use however java is not my strong point
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> Forkz: It should have been 'strings /usr/bin/glxgears'
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> Forkz: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark (that is the way to get it print fps though)
[10:30] <Forkz> h3sp4wn: strings: command not found
[10:31] <kosh> wow they changed it
[10:31] <kosh> I wonder why they did
[10:31] <Ademan_> anyone here have multiboot with windows and ubuntu?:
[10:31] <R3MI> zorglu1: just accepted the liscence agrreement for JAVA, its doin its stuff right now
[10:31] <gatekeeper> zorglu1: have a similar problem with synaptic you have to clock what is happening and expand the terminal so you can actually see what is happening :-)
[10:31] <Forkz> h3sp4wn: It works :) Thx
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> kosh: People using it as a benchmark (which the author thinks is stupid)
[10:31] <kosh> he is right
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> I know
[10:32] <gatekeeper> R3MI: will ask a couple of more questions I think
[10:32] <kosh> cards can score very high and very low on it and not have squat to do with how the card would really work
[10:32] <R3MI> gatekeeper: its done now
[10:32] <gatekeeper> good stuff :-)
[10:32] <gatekeeper> one to remember :-)
[10:33] <R3MI> gatekeeper: weard thing is i went on a site that have Java games on it to test and Firefox ask me to get the pluggin...
[10:34] <BKaj> How do I get T-bird or any other apps, to use swiftfox when open urls
[10:34] <BKaj> ?
[10:34] <gatekeeper> R3MI: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[10:35] <gatekeeper> BKaj: hang on...
[10:35] <BKaj> to open instead of konq, it seems to be the defauly browser
[10:35] <R3MI> gatekeeper:  Package sun-java5-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package
[10:36] <gatekeeper> R3MI: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[10:37] <gatekeeper> BKaj: it's in system settings somewhere I think see if I can find it
[10:37] <BKaj> I've been searching there too but I'm stumped
[10:38] <gatekeeper> BKaj: system settings -> KDE components
[10:40] <bluesceada> hi
[10:40] <bluesceada> anyone can tell me which one works better?
[10:40] <bluesceada> either apmd+klaptopdaemon or powersaved+kpowersave
[10:40] <BKaj> yes gatekeeper..I found it finally , thx ...I hope this works :)
[10:41] <gatekeeper> BKaj: it will :-)
[10:41] <bluesceada> hm
[10:42] <bluesceada> powersaved+kpowersave will run with frequency scaling .... but will it also handle the other jobs as well as apmd+klaptopdaemon?
[10:42] <bluesceada> it's not official, that's why i ask
[10:42] <bluesceada> i don't know if it's considered experimental, then i don't want to try
[10:43] <BKaj> nope , it still opens konq from T-bird
[10:44] <amarokker> does anyone know why kmail wont work with gmail
[10:44] <bluesceada> hmm
[10:44] <bluesceada> amarokker: it does work
[10:44] <bluesceada> what'S your problem?
[10:44] <bluesceada> hmm and .. i will now just try the powersaved
[10:44] <bluesceada> wish me luck
[10:45] <amarokker> bluesceada: someth bout authentication/smtp...wait.
[10:45] <bluesceada> amarokker: hm
[10:46] <bluesceada> use "ssl" and authentication "clear text"
[10:46] <bluesceada> or let kmail try what it supports
[10:47] <sysRPN> hello
[10:47] <amarokker> bluesceada: i used 'plain'
[10:47] <sysRPN> i am about to install kubuntu on a laptop, but needs some help ficing a problem first ...
[10:47] <sysRPN> fixing
[10:47] <amarokker> there isnt any clear text- i suppose its the same thing, yes?
[10:48] <bluesceada> sysRPN: hah i just did the same :-) was very good experience
[10:48] <bluesceada> sysRPN: i will help you if i can ;-)
[10:48] <sysRPN> has anyone had this problem before? http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9478
[10:48] <sysRPN> it's hardware related
[10:48] <sysRPN> i don't want to run kubuntu on a crippled machine
[10:48] <bluesceada> oh :-/
[10:48] <bluesceada> warranty left?
[10:49] <sysRPN> no
[10:49] <bluesceada> maybe some dead controller for that line or something like that , i dont exactly know how tfts work
[10:49] <sysRPN> has anyone ever seen a problem like that before?
[10:49] <bluesceada> get a new tft from ebay
[10:49] <bluesceada> never...
[10:49] <sysRPN> i ws thinking it might be a cable
[10:49] <bluesceada> but my laptops does also something stupid
[10:49] <bluesceada> with the tft
[10:49] <gatekeeper> sysRPN: have you got the kubuntu liveCD?
[10:50] <bluesceada> the picture seems to be moved 2 pixels to the right
[10:50] <sysRPN> live dvd actually
[10:50] <sysRPN> i had to simulate the screenshot
[10:50] <bluesceada> so 2 pixel lines on the right are not there
[10:50] <unix_infidel> simulate a screenshot?
[10:50] <bluesceada> hm
[10:50] <sysRPN> because pressing print sceen does not capture it obviously
[10:50] <gatekeeper> sysRPN: run it up it will leave your HDD intact see what you get
[10:50] <bluesceada> unix_infidel: he postprocessed the screenshot and added the yellow line to look like it looks on the tft
[10:51] <sysRPN> run it up where?
[10:51] <bluesceada> sysRPN: so it is really hardware related
[10:51] <sysRPN> oh, i get the problem in the bios screen as well
[10:51] <gatekeeper> sysRPN: boot it up :-)
[10:51] <sysRPN> so its not a windows problem
[10:51] <unix_infidel> sysRPN: that means its hardware related.
[10:51] <unix_infidel> talk to the manuf.
[10:51] <sysRPN> yeah, like i said it's a hardware problem
[10:51] <sysRPN> okay
[10:51] <unix_infidel> most LCD's come with a warranty.
[10:52] <sysRPN> it's attached to the laptop
[10:52] <gatekeeper> sysRPN: if you get it on the BIOS then yes hardware problem
[10:52] <unix_infidel> unless you buy them from my boy julio in compton.
[10:52] <unix_infidel> lol.
[10:52] <sysRPN> i am boy julio
[10:52] <sysRPN> so there is no warranty
[10:53] <R3MI> gatekeeper: i got JAVA workin, downloaded the plugin trough Adept, thanks for your help guys
[10:53] <unix_infidel> laptops usually come with warranty too.
[10:53] <unix_infidel> unless you buy them from jesus in south dallas.
[10:53] <unix_infidel> Jesus*
[10:53] <sysRPN> okay thanks all, i was just wondering if any of you have seen anything like that on a laptop screen before
[10:53] <gatekeeper> R3MI: good to hear it :-)
[10:53] <gatekeeper> brb
[10:54] <unix_infidel> sysRPN: yea, its not uncommon.
[10:54] <unix_infidel> sysRPN: might check the cable, make sure its not loose.
[10:54] <sysRPN> yeah, but opening a laptop is an ordeal, so i thoguht i'd ask around first
[10:55] <sysRPN> the people are digg might be mad with me
[10:56] <sysRPN> because i used it as a hardware support forum :) lol
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> You can usually order one direct from taiwan alot cheaper if you need to replace it than get the manufacturer to do it (if its not in warranty)
[10:56] <sysRPN> i'm hoping it's the cable/connection
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> The manufacturer wanted 400 for one for my brothers laptop I got one for 175 from taiwan
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> exact same type
[10:57] <sysRPN> 1st digg response "Digg is not a forum."
[10:58] <bluesceada> hmm
[11:00] <sysRPN> don't get mad, i'm going to ask in the ubuntu channel
[11:00] <bobbin> join linux-guru
[11:00] <sysRPN> k
[11:01] <bluesceada> hm anyone knows how to check if frequency scaling works??
[11:02] <BKaj> gatekeeper, konq still loads the websites from t-bird ,altho I have the default browser set as swiftfox
[11:03] <BKaj> in systemsettings kde/components
[11:05] <grothesk_> Hi there!
[11:06] <grothesk_> How ist Ubuntus policy concerning updates? May I expect an update of OOo to 2.0.3?
[11:07] <DaSkreech> R3MI: dpkg --configure -a
[11:07] <DaSkreech> R3MI: Never mind :)
[11:09] <SystematicDub> Hey all.  Okay while trying to partition my drive (sadly I only have one) I resized the c: drive (hda2) which is 69.89 GBs down to about 38 GBs, but instead of being okay it comes up with this.  Filesystems check failed!  Totally 358016 cluster accounting mismatches.  This can not be good!  Anybody heard or seen this before?
[11:11] <SystematicDub> Oh, and this of course is a NTFS file type.
[11:11] <gatekeeper> BKaj: is there some sort of setting in T-Bird, what I showed you works for me but I am using Kapplications
[11:13] <gatekeeper> BKaj: have a look at this: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=89619
[11:16] <jerry> hi
[11:16] <jerry> I have a question
[11:17] <Kubu-newbie> when  installed Kubuntu, the installation did not ask me for a root password ..is there a default root password?
[11:18] <fek> Kubu-newbie: it asked you
[11:18] <mcscruff> Kubu-newbie: there isnt a root
[11:18] <grothesk_> Kubu-newbie, there is no root
[11:18] <AB3I> hi all. I've got a really dumb question. I'm trying to save some data from a windows harddrive using a dapper live CD. How does ubuntu fill in spaces in folder names? I'm trying to copy the folder Documents and Settings, but damn if I can get it to recognize it
[11:18] <gnomefreak> !root
[11:18] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:18] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:18] <jc-denton> heh gnomefreak on kubuntu
[11:18] <mcscruff> AB3I: i think its "\ "
[11:19] <AB3I> ohhhh
[11:19] <AB3I> with a space in it?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> i am also kdefreak but shhhhhh ;)
[11:19] <mcscruff> i believe so
[11:19] <AB3I> bah, or not
[11:19] <jerry> I have a question
[11:19] <AB3I> ah
[11:19] <AB3I> no \ in it
[11:19] <AB3I> just " "
[11:19] <jerry> Can I run Diablo2 on unbuntu?
[11:20] <Kubu-newbie> ok ...so what kind of authorization do I need to run commands like updatedb?
[11:20] <hcjc92> how do i change the defualt browser from konquer to firefox>>
[11:20] <bluesceada> jerry: try it out with "wine"
[11:20] <bluesceada> should probabyl work
[11:21] <bluesceada> Kubu-newbie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:21] <DaSkreech> What do I need to register a ODB with Odbc?
[11:21] <Kubu-newbie> bluesceada: thanks
[11:22] <bluesceada> it's just copy paste from above .. np ;-)
[11:22] <visik7> anyone got issues using dynamic playlist on amarok 1.4.x
[11:22] <visik7> ?
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> Kubu-newbie: sudo updatedb --localuser=nobody
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> Kubu-newbie: Don't worry about the permission denied stuff they are things that only root should see and hence should not be in the locatedb
[11:24] <Mopii> hi all
[11:24] <jerry> how about for linux?
[11:24] <gatekeeper> hcjc92: system settings -> KDE components
[11:24] <Mopii> how can i put an " " in console mode ?? (sorry for my bad english :)
[11:25] <DaSkreech> !odbc
[11:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about odbc
[11:26] <Kubu-newbie> thanks guys
[11:26] <Mopii> cd media/hda1/Program Files/     i have a problem for " "    (Program Files)
[11:26] <nico8481> any way to export your kmail mailbox to a file ?
[11:27] <gatekeeper> nico8481: are you trying to backup?
[11:27] <Mopii> for run an "exe" with wine :)
[11:27] <nico8481> gatekeeper: migrating to another client
[11:29] <gatekeeper> nico8481: don't think there is, at least I have never found one :-(, I wanted to do what you wanted to do but when upgrading etc
[11:29] <nico8481> hmm :(
[11:30] <nico8481> what about the contacts ?
[11:30] <gatekeeper> nico8481: I used tar to backup the folder, that was the nearest I got to export/import
[11:30] <nico8481> gatekeeper: yup but here i'm migrating to macosx :P
[11:31] <gatekeeper> nico8481: contacts has got import/export under the File menu
[11:34] <R3MI> Another Question for you guys: any clue why a H264 file play but the image is really scrambled. Sound is ok. DIVX and Mpeg4 plays all good. Using VLC.
[11:41] <gatekeeper> R3MI: probable a codec issue, found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/hdot264/
[11:43] <TheHighChild> R3MI: I got through the same thing on tux and windows. VLC just rocks.
[11:44] <R3MI> TheHighChild: im using VLC
[11:45] <TheHighChild> R3MI: Are you having trouble with VLC? I thought you meant only VLC plays the file
[11:46] <R3MI> TheHighChild: it plays the file yes, audio is ok but the image is scrambled. when it is a still image it is ok. but as soon people are moving and stuff (like regular video stuff) it is scrambled
[11:47] <TheHighChild> R3MI: Are you trying to play a wmv file?
[11:48] <gatekeeper> what's up omeow?
[11:49] <BKaj> gatekeeper , sorry but my text editor kate isn't responding to my input :)  ,/home/logon/.mozilla-thunderbird/xxx.default/prefs.js...as you showed me in the url
[11:49] <BKaj> nothing happens when I input the text
[11:50] <omeow> gatekeeper: I'm terribly annoyed by xorg and kde. I have two monitors, which appear to be configured correctly since they seem to be the correct size and resolution when I start KDM, however when I log into KDE, something changes my resolution to 1280x1024,NULL. And I can't use the display configuration tool (kcmshell displayconfig) because it won't make me commit the changes.
[11:50] <omeow> Here are is my log file and configuration file;
[11:50] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/Xorg.0.log
[11:50] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/xorg.conf
[11:50] <omeow> -are
[11:51] <TheHighChild> omeow: Are you editing that as root?
[11:51] <omeow> Of course.
[11:51] <gatekeeper> BKaj: don't know what else to suggest
[11:51] <gatekeeper> BKaj: sorry :-(
[11:51] <R3MI> TheHighChild: h264, .mov
[11:53] <TheHighChild> R3MI: oh ok. I've had the trouble with Windows media player 9 files. Might I suggest checking out mplayer and it's codec packages. Between mplayer and vlc, I can play pretty much anything.
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> xine with w32codecs for me can play anything I have tried to (but probably not everything)
[11:54] <chavo> omeow,do you use any of the metamodes beisdes 1280x1024, 1280x1024?
[11:54] <R3MI> TheHighChild: ill give it a try
[11:54] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: What can't you play?
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> Nothing that I have found
[11:55] <gatekeeper> BKaj: found this: http://gnuru.org/?node_id=941
[11:55] <omeow> chavo: Well yeah, I would like to pretend I am able to play games on Linux, and if I define only one metamode it'll start up in the right mode. However, when I start a game, it will appear in the middle of both screens.
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> (but I haven't tried things just for the sake of it)
[11:55] <omeow> chavo: I just made a new user, and his resolution settings are not changed as KDE logs in. =/
[11:55] <gatekeeper> BKaj: no idea if it will work
[11:55] <TheHighChild> h3sp4wn: The only thing I really had trouble with was media player 9 videos but I've since compiled DVD's Jon's hack for VLC
[11:55] <omeow> KDE hates me. =/
[11:56] <chavo> omeow, I had the same thing happen, it's the kde display settings thing
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> !fixres
[11:56] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:56] <chavo> omeow, I just took allt\ the metamodes out but my main one though and it works fine for me
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> omeow: You need just need a correct modeline
[11:57] <omeow> chavo: Yeah, but like I said, if you start a game, it'll appear in the middle of both.
[11:57] <chavo> omeow, also you can run xrandr -s 2560x2048, that'll change your screen size
[11:57] <chavo> omeow, games run fine here
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> omeow: Using a crt or lcd ?
[11:57] <chavo> I only  really play et and HL2 though
[11:58] <omeow> I know. However, it seems that when I do that I have to push KDE around to make it remember to not span the whole desktop when I maximize windows.
[11:58] <omeow> h3sp4wn: two 930BFs connected to a 6600GT via analog connectors.
[11:58] <omeow> (19" screens)
[11:58] <chavo> that's really odd
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> omeow: You need 60hz >
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> omeow: You need 60hz
[11:58] <h3sp4wn> ?
[11:58] <omeow> Uh, I think I use 75 on Windows.
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> I meant do you need to run it at 60hz ? (My monitor can run at 75 but it works best at 60 (according to the manual))
[11:59] <omeow> chavo: I think my ~/.kde/ got mangled up or something. The test user can enjoy full screen stuff.
[11:59] <omeow> h3sp4wn: Hm, let me reference my manual.
[12:02] <eXCeSS> is there a way to have konqueror remeber my view settings, for specific folders, i want my /home in tree view and my music folder in column view is this possible?
[12:02] <chavo> omeow, do you have a ~/.kde/share/config/kcmranandrrc?
[12:02] <omeow> Let me check.
[12:02] <chavo> kcmrandrrc
[12:03] <chavo> <- bad typer
[12:04] <omeow> no, doesn't seem like I do.
[12:04] <chavo> omeow, alright
[12:04] <eXCeSS> is there a way to have konqueror remeber my view settings, for specific folders, i want my /home in tree view and my music folder in column view is this possible? ;(
[12:04] <serenity> how to register a channel on freenode?
[12:05] <woshee> hello
[12:06] <alien_chemist> evening all
[12:07] <eXCeSS> is there a way to have konqueror remeber my view settings, for specific folders, i want my /home in tree view and my music folder in column view is this possible?