[01:36] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:16] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[02:16] <jsgotangco> hey LaserJock having a good holiday?
[02:17] <LaserJock> decent
[02:18] <LaserJock> I'm at work for a few hours while my wife is at the hospital doing so volunteer work
[02:18] <LaserJock> then we're going to go see some fireworks
[02:23] <jsgotangco> that's nice
[02:23] <jsgotangco> july 4 used to be indpendence day here as well but we changed that heh
[02:24] <LaserJock> really?
[02:24] <LaserJock> btw,  nice blog about Andreas
[02:24] <jsgotangco> yep, America "declared" us independed after the war
[02:24] <jsgotangco> thanks
[02:24] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[02:25] <jsgotangco> after manila was ruined heh
[02:25] <LaserJock> what is the offical relationship between the US and you guys? is there any?
[02:26] <jsgotangco> i dunno US treats PH like a friend if it needs something...
[02:26] <LaserJock> I remember reading about the Philippines in my history books in school
[02:27] <jsgotangco> heh it was pretty nasty the first time america came in
[02:27] <jsgotangco> had a bloody war
[02:27] <jsgotangco> because we just declared independence from spain
[02:27] <jsgotangco> but the treaty of paris had the us purchase the islands from spain
[02:28] <LaserJock> heh
[02:28] <jsgotangco> but from what my grandfather told me it was pretty upbeat before world war II
[02:29] <LaserJock> yeah, makes sense
[02:30] <jsgotangco> it really pissed off a lot of bar operators in the area though heh
[02:30] <LaserJock> I bet
[02:31] <jsgotangco> have you heard of the term neo-colonialism?
[02:32] <LaserJock> not really, but I can guess
[02:34] <jsgotangco> its usually associated with america being a superpower and all, and influencing too much of its former colonies/territories by bombarding it with american commerce influencing the overall economy of the country
[02:34] <jsgotangco> and trancends to the culture of the people itself
[02:36] <LaserJock> interesting
[02:38] <LaserJock> I'd see that as a side-effect of globalization, sort of America spilling out of it's borders :-)
[02:40] <jsgotangco> if you think about it, globalization is partly neo-colonialism
[02:40] <jsgotangco> it just happened that my country sufferend 600+ years of colonialization from outsiders =)
[02:40] <LaserJock> yeah, that makes sense
[02:41] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: and overall do you think it has been a negative thing for you country?
[02:42] <LaserJock> we only had ~ 150 years of colonialization
[02:42] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: PH is an Asian country and yet it doesn't feel like Asia when you are here
[02:43] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: here's an interesting read
[02:43] <jsgotangco> http://www.bibingka.com/phg/misc/july4not.htm
[02:43] <LaserJock> so say if it was colonized by another Asian country it would have been better?
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't really know...our cultural identity has been muddled up ever since the spanish came
[02:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i myself am not a pure native considering i originate from chinese immigrants
[02:47] <LaserJock> I really don't know how much a cultural identity the US really has either
[02:48] <LaserJock> our families come from all over and bring their culture along with them, it gets mixed and mangled with the rest
[02:50] <jsgotangco> heh yeah
[02:51] <jsgotangco> if the spanish didnt come at all, we're most likely to be an islamic state considering they arrived with lots of resistance
[02:53] <LaserJock> hmm, farther north than I remember
[02:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:56] <LaserJock> It's amazing how complicated the relationship between countries can get over the years
[02:58] <LaserJock> and the US has only been around for a relatively short amount of time :-)
[02:58] <jsgotangco> i am not surprised if most americans have no clue about its past relationships with other countries, after all they already live in a big place and i know people who haven't even left their home states
[02:58] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:59] <LaserJock> there are quite a few people who don't know anything but the 50 states
[02:59] <Plug_> I had to answer a pub quiz question once.
[02:59] <LaserJock> we hear about Puerto Rico every once in a while
[02:59] <Plug_> What letter does not appear in the name of any of the 50 US states?
[03:00] <Plug_> We got it eventually.  I wonder how long it would take someone from the US.
[03:00] <LaserJock> umm ...
[03:00] <Plug_> (Here == Noo Zulland)
[03:00] <LaserJock> is x not in any?
[03:01] <Plug_> Texas
[03:01] <LaserJock> doh, hope there aren't any Texans around ;-)
[03:01] <Plug_> Come on, that was an easy one :)
[03:01] <LaserJock> z then
[03:01] <Plug_> Arizona
[03:02] <LaserJock> ah right, these states are close to me I should know better
[03:02] <Plug_> Which state are you in, LaserJock?
[03:02] <LaserJock> Nevada
[03:02] <Plug_> Heh.  I live on a Nevada Rd.
[03:02] <LaserJock> lol
[03:02] <LaserJock> what state?
[03:03] <LaserJock> or country? or whatever
[03:03] <Plug_> New Zealand
[03:04] <LaserJock> doh, Noo Zulland ;-)
[03:04] <Plug_> :)
[03:05] <Plug_> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&q=&near=new+zealand&ie=UTF8&ll=-37.789743,175.32742&spn=0.022417,0.054245&om=1
[03:05] <Plug_> Place to be.
[03:06] <LaserJock> heh, everybody in the US wants to live in New Zealand
[03:08] <jsgotangco> NZ the country?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> or the southern part of AU
[03:08] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:08] <jsgotangco> kidding
[03:08] <Plug_> ...
[03:08] <Plug_> ;)
[03:08] <LaserJock> NZ
[03:08] <Plug_> I was going to reply with "can it mean anything else?"
[03:09] <jsgotangco> yeah considering LCA2006 happened in Dunedin so it must be part of AU lol
[03:09] <LaserJock> Australia is also pretty popular, but NZ is probably the top of the list for people I talk to anyway
[03:09] <Plug_> (It's the best part)
[03:09] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: bah they just want to live in middle earth
[03:09] <jsgotangco> ;)
[03:09] <Plug_> both .au and .nz are irritatingly far away from the rest of the world
[03:09] <Plug_> if you follow that Google Maps link I gave you about 20k east
[03:09] <Plug_> you'll end up in Hobbiton
[03:10] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: true, but there is also a lot of other movies made there that get people excited :-)
[03:11] <jsgotangco> how far is the drive from Hamilto to Aukland?
[03:12] <Plug> About 1.5 hours.
[03:12] <Plug> From the edge of Auckland the sign claims 100km, and the open road speed limit is 100km/hr
[03:12] <Plug> so I always use that as a challenge. ;)
[03:13] <Plug> bbiab.
[03:14] <LaserJock> well, I'm happy to be back in the US at any rate. At least it's home :-)
[03:14] <LaserJock> France would have a been a bit better if I knew more French ;-)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> do you have kids?
[03:37] <LaserJock> me? no
[03:39] <LaserJock> I've been in grad school and my wife just got out of grad school
[03:42] <LaserJock> I'm going to feel that way by the time I'm done :-)
[03:54] <jsgotangco> :/
[09:01] <jsgotangco> hello mdke
[09:01] <mdke> hiya jerome
[09:01] <jsgotangco> how are you doing
[09:02] <mdke> very well thanks, bit sleepy :)
[09:02] <mdke> you?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> im ok just feeling some midlife crisis though
[09:03] <mdke> aww
[09:05] <jsgotangco> :/
[09:15] <bhuvan> mdke: i'm unable to build the pdf in trunk. it reports:make[1] : *** No rule to make target `pdf'.  Stop.
[09:16] <bhuvan> mdke: yeah, pdf target is not available in ubuntu/Makefile. is this intended ?
[09:17] <mdke> bhuvan: I can't remember, I can add them if you need to build pdfs already, but you could just use the html
[09:18] <bhuvan> mdke: yeah i use html. just wish to know if it needs to be fixed
[09:19] <mdke> i don't think so yet
[09:19] <mdke> gtg to work, see you in a bit
[09:19] <bhuvan> ok
[10:31] <Liz> finally !
[10:31] <Liz> i couldnt remember the irc address to get here
[10:46] <jsgotangco> haha
[10:48] <Liz> i had to go through a pile of emails to find it
[10:56] <mpt> It's linked from the front page of doc.ubuntu.com ...
[10:57] <mpt> (maybe it should be *on* the front page)
[10:57] <Liz> i ended up finding it from the link on the wiki page
[11:51] <Liz> now that i know where to find you, ill be back 
[05:00] <jjesse> i made an upload to kubuntu/desktopguide to fix a bug, someone needs to copy the change to branches/dapper as i don't have branches checked out
[05:06] <mdke> jjesse: that's not quite how it works, branches/dapper is frozen now
[05:06] <mdke> trunk is for edgy
[05:06] <jjesse> mdke: ok, so how will the bug get solved?
[05:06] <jjesse> i mean i've commited a fix, but it will need to be released
[05:06] <mdke> jjesse: in dapper?
[05:07] <jjesse> yeah
[05:07] <mdke> we don't usually fix bugs in dapper
[05:07] <mdke> how serious is it?
[05:07] <jjesse> not serious
[05:07] <jjesse> i guess when i redo the release notes, which would be a serious bug in my opionon we should release it
[05:07] <mdke> yes, that's different, because there are no translations of the release notes
[05:08] <mdke> and it's a serious bug
[05:08] <jjesse> ok, but because there are translations of the deskotp guide we wouldn't re-release it
[05:08] <jjesse> requiring new translations correct?
[05:08] <mdke> jjesse: that's right.
[05:08] <mdke> unless it was very serious, and warranted an exception to that
[05:09] <mdke> in such a case, we would tell the translators, and ask them to retranslate the relevant bit
[05:09] <jjesse> i understand, so fix committed is the best status to keep it as, and then when edgy comes out change it to fix released
[05:09] <mdke> before releasing the fix
[05:09] <mdke> jjesse: you can mark it as fix released when it is fixed in edgy
[05:09] <jjesse> mdke: understanding now thanks
[07:17] <nixternal> hey everyone!!!
[07:18] <jjesse> hello nixternal
[07:18] <nixternal> hiy jjesse
[07:19] <nixternal> im bushed...i woke up early to do a fun job in a fun place with a bunch of fun people
[07:19] <nixternal> bah 
[07:22] <jjesse> well i'm glad you had fun
[07:22] <Burgwork> hey nixternal, jjesse 
[07:22] <jjesse> hello Burgwork
[07:24] <nixternal> heya Burgwork