crimsunheh. elmo doesn't sound too pleased.12:10
cypher1which distro should i use when creating using pbuilder ?12:20
cypher1i cannot find breezy there !12:20
cypher1all are debian line12:20
crimsunfor what purpose?12:21
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cypher1crimsun, for building a package12:22
cypher1pbuilder create [--basetgz base.tgz-path]  [--distribution potato|woody|sarge|etch|sid|experimental] 12:23
cypher1 --removepackages [packages-to-remove on pbuilder create] 12:23
cypher1 --extrapackages [packages-to-add on pbuilder create] 12:23
cypher1i am packagin from scratch12:24
crimsuncp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh . && mv pbuilder-distribution.sh pbuilder-dapper && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ./pbuilder-dapper create12:24
crimsunis your target release dapper or edgy?12:25
cypher1i wanted to try for breezy12:25
cypher1in the case i can use the cd from which the pbuilder will create12:26
crimsunso in the above command sequence, replace dapper with breezy.12:27
cypher1can i use cd to get the minimal environmenr12:29
crimsunit'll take some finagling, but yes12:30
cypher1crimsun, ok thanks..12:32
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cypher1E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/breezy/Release12:45
LaserJockyou're going to need to set MIRRORSITE to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu12:48
LaserJockoops, actually it is just MIRROR12:49
crimsunftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/breezy is invalid.12:49
crimsunnote that's a Debian URL [http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/]  not a Ubuntu one.12:49
cypher1LaserJock, crimsun thanks a lot.. was just realizing it while reading manual of debootstrap :)12:50
cypher1i guess if MIRROR=file:///media/cdrom to work ;)12:51
cypher1ok all.. need to sleep.. thanks for the help12:54
cypher1good night12:54
LaserJockcya cypher112:55
bluefoxicyugh help12:55
bluefoxicytell me how to force dpkg to think xfonts-dosemu is not installed without uninstalling it12:56
crimsunwhy not append ||true to whatever p{re,ost}{inst,rm} maintainer script lines as a hackaround?01:00
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fowlduckperhaps someone here will know what is used to automount drives in ubuntu and how I can disable the automountng01:10
hubpmount and HAL + gnome-volume-manager01:11
LaserJockfowlduck: like hard drives or removable drives?01:12
fowlduckhub, cool, thanks01:12
fowlduckLaserJock, removable devices01:12
LaserJockSystem -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media01:12
fowlduckLaserJock, basically I want my hard drive to mount on boot, but everything else has to be manual01:12
fowlduckLaserJock, does that truly not automount it by unchecking those boxes?01:13
LaserJockyeah, that's the point I believe01:14
fowlduckhmm, ok01:14
fowlducknow, are those options accessible programatically?01:14
LaserJockI would assume so, but I don't know where exactly01:15
hubfowlduck: other partitions?01:15
fowlduckhub, no, are the options to turn off automounting available to be changed programatically01:16
hubthat is where g-v-m store the things01:16
crimsunuse gconftool-2 to query/set01:17
fowlduckcrimsun, perfect, thanks01:17
hubcan somebody review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2599 ?01:21
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jsgotangcogood morning01:36
fowlduckwell, almost good evening where i am01:37
crimsunhub: where's the orig.tar.gz?01:40
hubcrimsun: it didn't get uploaded?01:44
hubredoing an upload then01:45
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hubcrimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=260001:50
crimsunhub: those are some pretty strong versioned build-dependencies. Do you anticipate no requests for backporting to dapper-backports?01:52
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hubcrimsun: it builds on dapper01:53
crimsunhub: ok.01:53
crimsunhub: the only other suggestion I have is that you change ".org" to "organisation" in debian/control:Description01:54
crimsunlet me know the new url, and I'll advocate.01:55
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fbondanyone care to look at some packages on revu: midisport-firmware, sclapp, autosmbmnt, magicpipe?01:56
fowlduckis it just me or is the calife package rather useless?01:56
fbondoh, and lash ... ?01:56
crimsunlash has already been synced.01:56
fbondwhere the heck did that come from01:56
crimsunfrom Sid01:56
fbondI never saw an ITP01:56
fbondok, ditch that one then01:57
fbondfine memory you have there, BTW01:57
crimsun[https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-July/000964.html] 01:57
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fbondcrimsun, there are packages on revu that I uploaded for Dapper, but eventually were brought in as part of the aptget.org spec01:58
fbondshould those be junked, probably?01:58
fbondand can you do that, if so?01:58
crimsunIf they're in Dapper proper already, they can be archived. I'm not a REVU admin.01:59
hubwhich one?01:59
fbondthe packages are: fluidsynth-dssi, xsynth-dssi, hexter01:59
hubI'll archive then02:00
hubcrimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=260102:00
hubthe newer upload02:01
hubtime to go02:01
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fowlduckcrimsun, do you use the revu-tools package?02:14
crimsunfowlduck: no, but it's a good idea.02:14
fowlduckcrimsun, just wondering, so if I go to submit something I can save everyone some time02:15
crimsunyes, it's a good idea.02:15
crimsun->out for the evening.02:15
fowlduckcrimsun, night then02:18
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LaserJockhi bmonty02:19
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bluefoxicy<crimsun> why not append ||true to whatever p{re,ost}{inst,rm} maintainer script lines as a hackaround?02:37
bluefoxicycrimsun:  directions02:37
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bddebianHeya gang03:27
LaserJockhi bddebian03:27
bddebianHeya LaserJock03:28
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Hobbseehi all03:37
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HawkwindHi ya Hobbsee04:23
Hobbseehey Hawkwind04:23
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HawkwindHeh, dare I ask where you actually are :P04:24
HobbseeHawkwind: i'm driving to pick up a friend.04:24
fowlduckHobbsee, on irc while driving?04:24
HawkwindOh.  Well have fun and be safe04:24
fowlduckHobbsee, thats worse than a cellphone04:25
Hobbseefowlduck: no, buti should be driving, but i'm here04:25
fowlduckHobbsee, ahh, ok, in that case you are banished hencforth until you pick up your friend, be gone~04:25
Hobbseefowlduck: heh04:27
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bluefoxicyFemale removed05:22
bluefoxicyInternet stabilized.05:22
bluefoxicyheh.  "There are no girls on the internet" is quickly turning into "there are plenty of girls on the internet, and some of them aren't lesbians"05:23
bluefoxicyI swear the net is going through puberty or something.05:23
bddebianbluefoxicy: :-)05:28
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lukaswayne9Hello!  I'm running edgy right now.  I'd to compile some packages for dapper, how can I set something like that up?06:19
Kamping_Kaiserset up a chroot?06:20
bddebianOr a pbuilder, either one06:20
lukaswayne9Do you know of any nice guides on helping me with that?06:20
lukaswayne9what's the difference between chroot and pbuilder?06:21
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bddebianGnight folks06:47
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imbrandoncrimsun: ping got a few minutes to walk me though something ?07:53
imbrandonif its a bad time np07:53
crimsunimbrandon: give me 2 mins, plesae07:53
crimsunimbrandon: what's up?07:58
imbrandonwell i have a fresh dapper install on this lappy ( ppc ) with NO pbuilders setup yet , was wondering if you could step me through makin a edgy one ( i have done it in the past but never cleanly always had to mess with it for days to get it working )07:59
imbrandonthought maybe you could help me with the right way (tm)07:59
crimsunimbrandon: well, there are at least 2 ways on dapper07:59
imbrandonis there one you recomend ?08:00
imbrandoni ahve pbuilder and stuff installed etc just not configured at all08:00
imbrandonon this box08:00
crimsunimbrandon: the easier way is probably: cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-dapper && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-dapper create --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper restricted | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper multiverse08:04
crimsunerr, sorry08:04
crimsunimbrandon: the easier way is probably: cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-dapper && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-dapper create --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy restricted | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse08:04
imbrandonok cool thanks a ton crimsun as i said i have done it in the past and got it working just never "the right way"(tm) from the start08:05
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imbrandoncrimsun: then after thats done i can just use it normaly like , pbuilder clean , pbuilder update , etc etc etc ?08:07
crimsunimbrandon: there's no real need to use 'clean' regularly08:07
imbrandonahh ok08:07
imbrandondo i rename it to ~/pbuilder-edgy also when done ?08:07
crimsunif you're using dapper's debootstrap/pbuilder, no08:08
imbrandonjust have to know thats an edgy one08:08
crimsunwell, you can also just dpkg -i edgy's debootstrap and pbuilder packages08:08
crimsunthen just cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-edgy && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-edgy create08:09
imbrandonthat might be better i think, dont think it will cause problemns do you ?08:09
crimsunit hasn't caused any problems on the debian-amd64 shell I'm using08:09
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imbrandoncoo; thanks08:11
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highvoltagemoin moins09:28
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dholbachgood morning09:58
robhi dholbach09:59
dholbachhey rob09:59
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Gloubiboulgamorning dholbach, rob10:02
robhiya Gloubiboulga10:03
dholbachheya Gloubiboulga10:03
GloubiboulgaDo we have a clear policy about UVF and NEW packages (after UVF) in universe for edgy?10:18
dholbach-> UniverseFreeze10:20
TheMusoHey guys. Could some MOTUs please have a look at my merges in revu? These are libibtk, and speech-dispatcher. I also have other packages, espeak, and lsr, which also need review. I particularly would like priority given to espeak and speech-dispatcher, as these will eventually be moved into main and seeded, so they need to be in ASAP.10:20
Gloubiboulgathanks dholbach10:21
crimsunJuly 13th is ... pretty imminent.10:21
dholbachspoken like a true motu :)10:22
dholbachthat's why I talked to mdz in Paris10:23
crimsunI mean, I'm hurrying through merges as fast as humanly possible given work constraints, but ...10:23
dholbachthere's too much to do10:24
dholbachrevu, upstream versions, merges, etc10:24
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Gloubiboulgacan we directly upload new release packages (packages already in ubuntu but not in debian)? I think I've never had to do this before10:29
crimsun0ubuntu1s? sure.10:29
Gloubiboulgaok, thanks crimsun10:30
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crimsunfreeflying|away: please feel free to upload zhcon-0.2.6; I'll be pretty busy this week10:31
freeflying|awaycrimsun: me too, heh10:32
crimsunah, ok10:33
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GloubiboulgaTheMuso, added on my TODO list, wil have a look at your packages (if nobody's already started)10:44
TheMusoGloubiboulga: Thanks a lot.10:45
TheMusoThose priority packages are spec related, much appreciated.10:45
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crimsunI'll do espeak now.10:49
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TheMusocrimsun: Gloubiboulga looked at espeak previously, noting a few things, which I have fixed up.10:50
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crimsunTheMuso: suggestion: in debian/control:Description, use "text to speech system (TTS)" first. I wasn't familiar with the acronym.10:54
TheMusooh ok10:55
crimsun(2nd para)10:55
TheMusoThat was a copy and paste. :)10:55
crimsunlooks solid10:58
TheMusoOk, if there is nothing else, I'll put this slightly revised one up. :)10:58
crimsunok, let me know the URL, please10:58
TheMusoon revu I mean.10:58
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TheMusoHey Hobbsee.10:59
Hobbseehi TheMuso10:59
HobbseeTheMuso: where in particular are you?10:59
TheMusoHobbsee: At home atm.11:00
HobbseeTheMuso: fair enough11:00
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crimsun"in #ubuntu-motu"11:01
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TheMusocrimsun: Ok its up.11:01
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TheMusoHobbsee: Were you wondering anything more specific?11:03
crimsunlooks good.11:03
HobbseeTheMuso: yeah, i was11:03
TheMusocrimsun: Ok thanks a lot.11:03
crimsunTheMuso: np11:03
TheMusoHey ajmitch.11:04
Hobbseehi stranger named ajmitch11:04
crimsunwow, a real live StevenK upload :p. Two!11:05
Hobbseecrimsun: yeah, it happens occasionally, when he's poked into working.11:06
crimsunoh, Three.11:06
ajmitchcrimsun: really? amazing11:06
crimsunHobbsee: he must be jumping often11:07
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Hobbseecrimsun: heh11:07
TheMusoHobbsee: Are you still a MOTU hopeful, or are you a MOTU for real?11:07
crimsun(she's getting the bofh down, that's for sure)11:08
HobbseeTheMuso: i'm not a MOTU.11:08
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TheMusoHobbsee: Right.11:08
Hobbseeyou never know11:08
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GloubiboulgaTheMuso, espeak uploaded11:10
TheMusoGloubiboulga: Thanks heaps.11:10
GloubiboulgaTheMuso, np :)11:11
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ajmitchbefore I get poked into uploading as well11:11
=== Hobbsee will poke you for uploads, dont worry.
Hobbseein fact...11:13
crimsunhmm, that's ... odd.11:13
crimsunclick on speech-dispatcher and get "directory (/var/revu/revu1-incoming/speech-dispatcher-0606292345/) of upload (2554) not found"11:14
TheMusoGot the same thing.11:14
seaLnei'm having problems trying to package a new program in its Makefile.defs it specifies "-I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/sfw/include" which don't exist if i change the ssl one to be /usr/include/openssl/ it dosen't compile, any ideas?11:15
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crimsunI take it said package doesn't use autotools?11:17
seaLneit has these defined:11:17
seaLneINCDIRS  = -I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/sfw/include -I. -Ilib11:17
seaLneLIBDIRS  = -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -I/usr/sfw/lib -L.11:17
seaLnei already changed the normal stuff in the Makefile but this has me confused11:18
TheMusoMakefiles suck for this reason. :)11:18
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crimsunI wonder why it says -I/usr/sfw/lib instead of -L/usr/sfw/lib11:19
TheMusoWhat is sfw anyway?11:19
seaLneno idea11:19
seaLnethat was my next question11:19
crimsunthat should be documented in the source's README/INSTALL/foo11:20
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seaLneits not11:21
crimsunhow courteous11:21
TheMusoGloubiboulga: Thanks for the mail.11:22
MadMan2k I've got some general questions regarding packaging:11:23
MadMan2k if I add lets say -march=athlon-xp to debian/rules, the package still has the suffix _i386. is this correct?11:23
crimsunseaLne: how does it use SSL in the preprocessor statements? (Paste an example #include)11:23
crimsunMadMan2k: yes, but that's Very Bad Practice.11:23
TheMusoMadMan2k: AFAIK yes.11:24
Yagisanyeah, but if you do add -march=athlon-xp, MadMan2k, it won't be acceptable for ubuntu11:24
Yagisanbah. too slow11:24
MadMan2kthx, just wanted to know this for my personal use :)11:24
seaLnecrimsun: weird now if i correct the ssl bits it still builds11:24
crimsunseaLne: as it should.11:25
seaLneyeah which was why i was confused before :)11:25
MadMan2knext one: is it safe to generally use CDBS?11:26
seaLne /usr/sfw seems to be a place to symlink stuff in solaris?11:26
StevenKcrimsun: Don't make me kick you. :-P11:27
ajmitchhello StevenK11:28
crimsunStevenK  :p11:28
Hobbseehi StevenK11:29
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ajmitchmore squashed Hobbsee to clean off the channel again11:29
Hobbseehehe, yeah, go ahead and try11:30
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Hobbseeand to throw furry eyeballs at people.11:30
StevenKJust me, or the entire channel?11:30
HobbseeStevenK: entire channel, of course11:31
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Yagisano_O I had to read that twice Hobbsee. missed the eye first time.11:33
HobbseeYagisan: what, you expected me to throw furry people around???11:33
StevenKMaybe he meant 'furry balls'11:34
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ajmitchrather annoying at times, isn't i?11:36
StevenKIf I run gnuclient by accident, it starts the X client on :0.011:37
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ajmitchwhat a surprise11:42
crimsunoh the violence.11:45
StevenKYou should see the bruise she left. :-P11:45
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StevenKWhatever. It's only my mothers spagetti bols.11:46
StevenKFrom Liar Liar, "I've had better."11:46
seaLnefor those of you not totally uninterested /usr/sfw is where SunFreeWare.org stuff is installed on solaris11:49
StevenKHah. I was about mutter 'FHS', and then I read 'on Solaris'.11:50
Hobbseecould be tasty11:50
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TheMusoseaLne: Interesting.12:09
MadMan2kquick question: how can I alter the prefix to /usr/local7 using cdbs?12:21
MadMan2k* /usr/local/12:21
TheMusoTHere is a cdbs variable that can be set to specify alternate configure flags. Not sure if it is possible to override the prefix that way. A cdbs guru will have a better idea about that.12:22
MadMan2kthanks, I'll try: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS12:28
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Seveas\sh, you around?12:55
\shSeveas: somehow :)12:55
Seveas\sh, you run your own jabber service, right?12:56
\shSeveas: yepp12:56
Seveaswhich daemon?12:56
Seveas(and if you have time to answer: why that one)12:56
Seveasdoes ejabberd have an msn transport?12:57
\shbecause it's more stable then jabberd2..I used first jabberd2 in the beginning, and the core modules (s2s, c2s etc.) had problems with utf8 xml characters etc.12:57
\shSeveas: all transports are external...so you can plug them in easily. for msn you should use PyMSN-t12:58
\shSeveas: but ejabberd integrates MUC, PubSub, and an rudmentary irc transport12:58
robactually, we are working on a server side "transport" for jabber for freenode :)12:58
Seveas\sh, is the hoary version any good or would you recommend a backport of the dapper version?12:59
Seveasrob, sounds nice12:59
\shSeveas: I'm using a selfbuild 1.0.0 version of ejabberd...12:59
\shSeveas: on hoary that is12:59
Seveasthanks again, wont bother you with more questions 01:00
\shSeveas: I'm happy to help :=01:00
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MadMan2kstill trying to cahnge --prefix using cdbs - anyone an idea?01:31
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kelmoMadMan2k: COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS or DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS  as per /usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.pdf.gz01:35
MadMan2ktried both but it still sets --prefix=/usr01:36
MadMan2kbut in case of  DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS Im getting my prefix appended at the end01:37
ToadstoolMadMan2k: in my wide-dhcpv6 package I use DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET += prefix=$(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr01:38
Toadstoolkinda ugly but at least it works...01:39
kelmoor, forget the autotools cdbs class and configure by a hand written command . . .01:39
Toadstooland then forget about cdbs and even debhelper and do it all by hand :)01:40
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kelmowell, you can go to that extreme too ;-)01:40
dholbachMadMan2k: do you first include stuff and then use deb_configure_extra_flags?01:41
kelmoset the var first01:41
azeemhow about modifying the universe irc clients to connect to #ubuntu/irc.freenode.net by default, rather than #debian/irc.debian.org by default?01:45
azeemapparently, at least some of them do so01:45
MadMan2kkelmo: just did so and it doesnt recognize any options at all01:48
kelmoMadMan2k: then my menory fails me, sorry01:49
Toadstoolwhen you include the file it defines the var and overrides any previous definitions, doesn't it?01:50
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MadMan2kok the solution is: DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX02:07
MadMan2kI hate this undocumented shit02:07
Toadstoolwhy do you use it then? :)02:07
tsengthats what you get for using CDBS02:07
MadMan2kits easier to look it up in the source then write the source myself :D02:08
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bddebianHeya gang02:42
Toadstoolhey bddebian02:42
bddebianHeya Toadstool02:42
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\shsivang: ping03:17
\shsivang: python2.5 will be standard in edgy?03:17
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DanielCWhat do I do after uploading a package to Revu? Should I do anything to get someone to notice it? :)  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=259203:21
seaLneDanielC: jump up and down that usually works03:21
bddebianDanielC: You can try to poke an MOTU reviewer but it will get noticed03:21
bddebianseaLne: ;-)03:21
seaLnei'm having a problem with dpatch: http://pastebin.ca/7950403:22
seaLneubuntu_01_debianisation.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument03:22
DanielCLaser_away was interested in the guides, so I'll ping him when he's not away.03:22
bddebianseaLne: What is dpatch call-all?03:24
seaLneno idea03:24
seaLnewhen i've used dpatch before it just worked03:24
bddebianHmm, I've never seen that03:24
bddebianNot that, that means anything, I'm dumb ya know :-)03:24
seaLneon a different question when i ram dh_make it created a -doc package in debian/control aswell is that a new requirement?03:25
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lukaswayne9I registered by pgp key with launchpad and joined the new contrib group last night, but my uploads are still getting rejected03:26
TheMusoseaLne: Was the package using dpatch originally?03:26
seaLneits a new package03:27
TheMusoAh ok.03:27
bddebianseaLne: I don't believe that the -doc package is required but you might want to check policy on that03:27
TheMusoWhat made you decide to use dpatch?03:28
seaLneis there a reason not to?03:28
seaLnehttp://pastebin.ca/79508 is the .dpatch file03:29
TheMusoNot as far as I know. I just remember when I was putting a patch together for a new package, I was advised to include it in the .diff.gz, and not as a patch file itself.03:29
TheMusoBut I guess it depends on the package.03:29
seaLnei recently had to break up the nasty "everything in the .diff.gz" of k3b so i could merge it, so i'm pretty against that :)03:30
lukaswayne9Why is kopete in the revu?  Isn't it already in main?03:30
TheMusoOthers who have had more experience are in a better position to comment however.03:30
seaLnelukaswayne9: presumably the uploader wanted people to look at it03:32
kelmoTheMuso: i always use a patch management system for even minor changes to upstream source03:33
TheMusoHmm right.03:33
kelmoTheMuso: but, that is personal preference only03:33
TheMusoI guess it depends on how big the changes are.03:33
kelmoi don't think policy demands it03:33
lukaswayne9Is there a reference for the icons on the left side for the revu2?03:33
TheMusokelmo: I just took crimsun's advice re patching. :)03:34
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bddebiantritium: How have you been man?04:15
tritiumhey bddebian :)04:15
tritiumgreat, how about you, bddebian?04:15
bddebianOK thanks.  Stupid as ever ;-)04:16
tritiumNo you're not.  What are you up to?04:16
bddebiantritium: Merges and annoying Debian Developers. :-)  You?04:17
tritiumbddebian: working a lot, both at work, and around the house/yard04:18
bddebianAh yes, the "joys" of home ownership ;-)04:18
tritiumyep :)04:19
lukaswayne9Is linda broken in edgy?04:30
havochmm, new bitlbee released04:37
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GloubiboulgaTheMuso, the short description for speech-dispatcher-flite is really what you want?05:02
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bddebianHeya Sp4rKy06:51
Sp4rKy\sh_away, do you have a few minutes for pv ?06:51
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Sp4rKyplease MOTU's , i and Lut1n would packaging e17 for Universe repositories06:55
Sp4rKybut all the CVS / tarball are already debiannized06:55
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ograSp4rKy, ask upstream to remove that06:55
Sp4rKyso does it exist another way ...06:56
Sp4rKyogra, yes ... but the problem is they don't want remove that at all06:56
ograthen tell them we cant package it06:56
Sp4rKyisn't there another way ?06:57
Sp4rKyGloubiboulga, said me \sh have packaged wine, whereas source tarball are already debianized06:57
ograthere is a non debianized source tarball as well06:58
ograare you sure the *real* upstream tarballs (the ones used for suse and redhat etc) ahve a debian dir ?06:59
Sp4rKythere is onluy the CVS (debianized) and tarball at freedesktop.org (debianized)07:00
ograwell you could repackage the upstream source, but thats considered to be very very dirty07:00
Gloubiboulgaajmitch, is it possible to update the edgy pbuilder on tiber?07:00
Sp4rKyso 'll not be accepted to REVU ://07:00
Sp4rKyand if we ask upstream to create another tarball which is not debianized ...07:01
ograSp4rKy, if you do it from CVS it shouldnt do any harm to remove the debian dir ... tag it as a cvs package in the version07:02
ograi'm just looking at enlightenment.org ... its considered unstable still ...07:02
Sp4rKyso i can use dpkg-buildpackaje -us -uc07:03
Sp4rKyand the package could be accepted at REVU ?07:03
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ograi guess so ...07:06
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cypher1hi all07:32
LaserJockhi  cypher107:32
cypher1hi LaserJock07:32
bddebianHello cypher107:33
cypher1hi bddebian07:34
cypher1today i am planning to continue my learning to packaging07:34
bddebianGreat :-)07:37
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LaserJockhi \sh08:19
\shmerging via umts ... ugh08:22
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bddebianwb \sh08:25
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crimsunwe need an impromptu revu hour08:30
\shafter UVF?08:31
\shwe have too many merges left08:31
LaserJockmaybe we should try to clean out some of the non-NEW REVU stuff08:32
LaserJocksince that might have problems after UVF08:32
\shdo we get merges from not-now-motus on revu?08:32
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crimsunI think a couple people have been using revu for that08:33
LaserJockprobably not merges, but bug fixes etc08:33
LaserJockthe stuff with just a hammer and no light bulb on REVU08:33
\shhmmm...do you think it would be a better idea to put package fixes as attachment to the bugreports in lp?08:34
\shand to not use revu for those packages?08:34
bddebianAye, but what about merges?08:34
LaserJockwell, there is a lot of that before we had the motu-reviewers LP team08:34
crimsunwe should just ask people to file LP bugs for merges and package fixes08:35
LaserJockand really started using Malone for workflow08:35
bddebianThink revu could add an icon for 'already in archive' or something?08:35
AnAntif I have a new software that wasn't in Ubuntu nor Debian before, can I add it to REVU ?08:35
\shpublic webspace to upload those merges, just like I do e.g.?08:35
\shAnAnt: yes08:36
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crimsunbddebian: if it's already in the archive, arguably it should be filed on LP08:36
LaserJockbddebian: that's what the light bulb, or lack of, is for08:36
crimsunfiled in^08:36
bddebianOh, hmm08:37
bddebianWell I started trying to 'review' but apparently I am not thorough enough.  I see comments on there that I am like "wow, how the hell did you catch that.." etc :-)08:38
LaserJocksame here08:39
LaserJockI think that it's good to have a 2 stage review that way08:39
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LaserJocklet dopes like us do the initial review to catch the simple things, and then pass it along for the in-depth grilling ;-)08:39
bddebianHehe, there ya go :-)08:40
\shyou can only learn from that ;)08:40
bddebianOh no, "Mr. Sunshine" is back ;-P08:40
jpatrickI dislike sunshine08:41
LaserJockheh, you'd like my line of work then08:42
bddebian\sh: Don't you know us "old dogs" can't learn "new tricks"? ;-)08:42
\shbddebian: I learn every day something new...you should too ;)08:44
bddebianI'm incapable ;-)08:45
crimsunI get plenty of sunshine from this lcd.08:46
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crimsunYagisan: you were a wee lad once, too.08:46
Yagisancrimsun: I still *am* a wee lad08:46
LaserJockYagisan: I'm more amazed at how much they can put out ;-)08:46
crimsunthat's kinda scary08:47
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Yagisancrimsun: I'm only 2408:47
Yagisanwell, physically anyway08:47
jpatrickyou are 9 years older than me08:47
LaserJockcrimsun: hah! you aren't that old08:47
crimsunLaserJock: I'm younger than lamont, true.08:48
YagisanLaserJock: oh yes. That is impressive08:48
zulcrimsun: everyone is younger than lamont :)08:48
\shcrimsun: this is not so difficult to be younger then lamont ;)08:48
bddebianHmm, I doubt that I am08:49
crimsunyou've got to be in your late 40s, then08:49
bddebianOh.. Hmm.  I thought 37 was ancient around here? ;)08:49
zulit is08:49
crimsunfogey :p08:50
\shbddebian: that's 2 years more then me ;)08:50
LaserJockbah, you guys are all ancient ;-)08:53
LaserJockactually, I was looking at Andreas' survey results and the average ages was somewhere around 29 I think08:54
zulwohoo...im above average08:55
jpatrickLaserJock: I guess me < *08:55
LaserJockbasically it looked like it was mostly 20s and 30s08:56
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jpatrickYagisan: you're half-way there08:58
Yagisanphysically yeah - mentally I feel much older :(08:59
crimsunkids will do that to you09:00
bddebianYagisan: Heh, mentally I feel like an 80 year old :-)09:01
bddebiancrimsun: OK Mr. Impromptu revu.  Gonna give us a tutorial? :-)09:02
=== bddebian is looking at kmplayer which already has shitloads of comments
crimsunbddebian: when I finish the alsa-utils merge09:03
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bddebiancrimsun: :-)09:04
Yagisancrimsun: I felt old before I had them. although I have seemed to age more now09:04
LaserJockbddebian: http://mentors.debian.net has some good review info under the "For Sponsors" part09:04
LaserJockbtw, we should look at their newly redone site09:05
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LaserJockouch, that hurt ;-)09:06
bddebianYagisan: Heh09:07
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highvoltageYagisan: you will last09:09
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highvoltagebddebian fades in comparrison to you :)09:09
LaserJockI didn't think a diety could die ;-)09:10
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LaserJockno wonder you're feeling so old, you always go to bed when you should be getting up :-)09:12
YagisanLaserJock: don't worry. The kids will wake me up in 2-3 hours09:13
Yagisansleep is for the weak! (Famous Last Words, before lapsing into a coma)09:13
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bddebianYagisan: Amen brother :-)09:16
LaserJockI don't seem to do so well without sleep09:16
LaserJockI just get sick09:16
YagisanI just get cranky and stop caring about should I stop and think before opening my big mouth.09:18
YagisanI've had my foot in my mouth so often, that I'm used to the taste09:18
Gloubiboulga\sh, is it possible for any tiber user to update the edgy pbuilder or an admin has to do it?09:22
Gloubiboulgaand hi :)09:22
\shGloubiboulga: if you have sudo rights, you can do it, if not, only admins09:23
\shGloubiboulga: you need an update?09:23
GloubiboulgaI don't have sudo rights, so I can't do it09:23
Gloubiboulga\sh, yep, to test goffice build09:24
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Gloubiboulgait takes ages to build on my box09:24
\shGloubiboulga: ok...one moment :)09:24
Gloubiboulga\sh, thanks :)09:24
\shGloubiboulga: done09:26
Gloubiboulga\sh, thanks again09:26
\shGloubiboulga: you're welcome09:27
bddebianLaserJock: Light buld is supposed to mean it IS in the archive?09:29
bddebianErr s/buld/bulb/09:30
bddebianOh, lightbulb means NEW, never mind...09:30
bddebianHow many advocates is a package supposed to have before upload?09:32
bddebianAnd why are there so many comments and so few advocates?09:32
crimsunbecause Gloubiboulga and I haven't gotten around to tag-teaming09:32
bddebianGah, I have got to fix my server box.. :-(09:34
\sh0:1 Portugal vs France09:36
zulgood...go allez france09:38
crimsunhah, many of my coworkers left early and don't plan to return today because of that game09:38
\shzul: penalty goal ;)09:39
zulportugal should have never won09:40
\shthe plan was, that germany should lose the championships...and they did09:41
\shdid anyone tried cowdancer instead of pbuilder?09:44
Yagisan\sh thats a shame. I'd prefer germany over italy09:44
Yagisan\sh: not yet. I found pbuilder on tmpfs is fast enough for me09:44
crimsunman, if I could have pbuilder on tmpfs...09:45
\shwas it cowdancer, or do I mix names again?09:45
Yagisancrimsun: how much ram do you have ?09:45
crimsunYagisan: 512 MB09:45
crimsunI'm a bit wary of putting more RAM into a machine that I don't own, though09:45
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crimsun(this is a Canonical-sponsored ThinkPad)09:46
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\shfrance wins09:46
\shwith 1:0 versus portugal...means germany has to play against portugal09:47
Yagisanand yes, sometimes I do get more then 50% swap used o_O09:47
GloubiboulgaI hope the french team will lose09:47
Gloubiboulgaif not people will scream in the streets all night09:47
GloubiboulgaI want to sleep09:47
YagisanGloubiboulga: you want italy to dive again ?09:47
Yagisanah. damm lag09:48
GloubiboulgaYagisan, I don't care actually, I don't like football/soccer09:48
YagisanGloubiboulga: I just wanted to see a good match (and when the only other thing on is tv shopping, soccer looks real good)09:49
hubGloubiboulga: welcome to the club09:49
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jpatrickGloubiboulga: I hope Portugal will lose09:59
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Gloubiboulgajpatrick, tss tss09:59
jpatrickGloubiboulga: Rolando is a b*******10:00
GloubiboulgaI guess you're right, I've never heard of him ^^10:00
jpatrickhe's a Portugese strikers10:01
\shoh it was the frist half .. france didn't win ;)10:02
AstralJavaNever heard of Rolando either... :) But now the second half calls.10:03
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hubdo I have to go throught REVU for a package update in universe?10:17
LaserJockto an existing Ubuntu package?10:18
hubthat even Debian hasn't updated10:19
hub(for Edgy off course)10:19
LaserJockno, you don't need REVU10:20
LaserJockif it's a bug fix, merge, or sync it is preferrable to use LP, IMO10:21
hubit is none of these10:21
hubor I haven't found them10:21
LaserJockwhat exactly do you want then?10:22
bddebianSounds like packaging of a newer upstream version?10:22
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Sp4rKydoes anyone could says me if audacious seems good (i've just uploaded it)10:26
robhow does one request a sync if a new package just entered debian unstable?10:30
bddebianrob: It will get synced automagically afaik10:30
bddebianSp4rKy: I don't see todays upload yet10:30
robah, ok. how long does it take?10:30
Sp4rKybddebian, k10:30
bddebianrob: That I don't know, sorry10:31
\shrob: the ubuntu package is versioned with XubuntuY or is it just the plain debian package now?10:31
robI would say just plain debian as it isn't in Ubuntu yet10:31
\shrob: ask keybuk how it works nowadays10:31
robok :)10:31
robah, look at that, it is in edgy already10:36
robbut its still the debian version10:36
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bddebianrob: It will always be the Debian version unless an Ubuntu specific change is necessary.10:38
robI'll mess around with it later10:39
bddebiancrimsun: How long are we leaving these packages out on REVU without response from the uploader?  Many of them seem to go back to January, etc10:39
\shshit..even thinkpads are hot10:42
crimsunbddebian: I'm making a concerted effort to process them quickly today/tomorrow10:43
crimsun[but right now I have to finish this alsa-utils merge] 10:43
bddebiancrimsun: Is there anything I can do on REVU?10:43
crimsunabsolutely, continue chugging through them10:43
LaserJockyes, review10:43
bddebianI'm trying but so far many of them need changed/re-uploaded, etc :-)10:44
LaserJockyep, kinda like those NeedsInfo bugs10:45
bddebianYeah :-(10:49
bddebianLaserJock: Oh, I got a new response from a DD.  "What's a .desktop file?" :-)10:51
\shbddebian: bug id?10:53
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\shfrance wins10:53
bddebian\sh: He responded privately, not on the bug unfortunately :-)10:54
\shthat's sad10:54
LaserJockbddebian: I'm afraid that is not going to be an uncommon response10:55
bddebianWell they are going to love all the bugs I've been submitting then :-)10:57
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LaserJockI hope so, we really need to raise Debian's .desktop awareness10:58
DanielCLaserJock: ping10:58
LaserJockDanielC: yeah, I saw it, I'm in a meeting at the moment10:59
DanielCLaserJock: You're a mind reader :)10:59
LaserJockDanielC: I saw a few changes that need to be done10:59
LaserJockDanielC: I'll try to comment as soon as I can10:59
Gloubiboulgahi fowlduck11:02
bddebianAck, gotta go home.  Later folks11:03
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hubwasn't there something about having all the packages in bzr?11:20
LaserJockhub: yep11:20
LaserJockand it was approved I believe11:21
hubok so I have to do that before committing this update11:22
LaserJockI mean, I'm not really sure but it depends on the package. most  packages aren't in bzr yet I don't think11:23
hubit is not yet11:23
crimsunLaserJock: pretty much any main package I touch is in bzr11:35
LaserJockMain I can believe, but Universe I doubt11:35
crimsunyeah, I've done a few universe ones11:36
LaserJockbut I haven't really looked11:36
crimsuncertainly not all the ones I've merged, though11:36
LaserJockI know of a few11:36
hubI didn't put the one I merged either11:40
hubthe fun thing is that I do the merge on dapper11:42
hubcheck in pbuilder for edgy11:42
crimsunthat's precisely how I'm doing mine11:42
hubI don't wnat to fsck up my laptop for now11:43
crimsunI kinda need my system stable :-)11:43
hubafter desktop con / OLS, maybe11:43
crimsuncome late August I'll dist-upgrade11:43
hubI'll do it before possible11:43
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LaserJockI might just chroot it for a while11:44
LaserJockI ran soley Dapper for a long time, but Edgy is so short11:44
hubI have been running dapper since December11:46
hubI install fligh2 on this laptop11:46
hubcrap, I have pbuild that package11:47
crimsunhoo-rah, all my named main ones merged and bzr pushed.11:54
crimsunah crap, and just like that there's a newer Debian revision :-P11:56
LaserJockthat sucks11:56
crimsunno biggie. I'm in cahoots with pkg-alsa-devel anyway :p11:57
LaserJockohhh, cahoots ;-)11:58
freeflying|awaycrimsun: the maintainer of zhcon will upload the latest release today11:58
crimsunfreeflying|away: hooray11:58
LaserJockTheMuso: the whole spec thing is a little confusing for me too12:05
TheMusoLaserJock: Its not just the specs, if how one works with them in launchpad sometimes.,12:05
crimsunthere's no workflow doc?12:06
LaserJockwell, all the stuff I've seen on LP is very general12:06

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