[12:10] <crimsun> heh. elmo doesn't sound too pleased.
[12:20] <cypher1> which distro should i use when creating using pbuilder ?
[12:20] <cypher1> i cannot find breezy there !
[12:20] <cypher1> all are debian line
[12:21] <crimsun> erm?
[12:21] <crimsun> for what purpose?
[12:22] <cypher1> crimsun, for building a package
[12:23] <cypher1> pbuilder create [--basetgz base.tgz-path]  [--distribution potato|woody|sarge|etch|sid|experimental] 
[12:23] <cypher1>  --removepackages [packages-to-remove on pbuilder create] 
[12:23] <cypher1>  --extrapackages [packages-to-add on pbuilder create] 
[12:24] <cypher1> i am packagin from scratch
[12:24] <crimsun> cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh . && mv pbuilder-distribution.sh pbuilder-dapper && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ./pbuilder-dapper create
[12:25] <crimsun> is your target release dapper or edgy?
[12:25] <cypher1> i wanted to try for breezy
[12:26] <cypher1> in the case i can use the cd from which the pbuilder will create
[12:27] <crimsun> so in the above command sequence, replace dapper with breezy.
[12:29] <cypher1> can i use cd to get the minimal environmenr
[12:30] <crimsun> it'll take some finagling, but yes
[12:32] <cypher1> crimsun, ok thanks..
[12:45] <cypher1> E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/breezy/Release
[12:48] <LaserJock> you're going to need to set MIRRORSITE to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:49] <LaserJock> oops, actually it is just MIRROR
[12:49] <crimsun> ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/dists/breezy is invalid.
[12:49] <crimsun> note that's a Debian URL [http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/]  not a Ubuntu one.
[12:50] <cypher1> LaserJock, crimsun thanks a lot.. was just realizing it while reading manual of debootstrap :)
[12:51] <cypher1> i guess if MIRROR=file:///media/cdrom to work ;)
[12:54] <cypher1> ok all.. need to sleep.. thanks for the help
[12:54] <cypher1> good night
[12:55] <LaserJock> cya cypher1
[12:55] <bluefoxicy> ugh help
[12:56] <bluefoxicy> tell me how to force dpkg to think xfonts-dosemu is not installed without uninstalling it
[01:00] <crimsun> why not append ||true to whatever p{re,ost}{inst,rm} maintainer script lines as a hackaround?
[01:10] <fowlduck> perhaps someone here will know what is used to automount drives in ubuntu and how I can disable the automountng
[01:11] <hub> pmount and HAL + gnome-volume-manager
[01:12] <LaserJock> fowlduck: like hard drives or removable drives?
[01:12] <fowlduck> hub, cool, thanks
[01:12] <fowlduck> LaserJock, removable devices
[01:12] <LaserJock> System -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media
[01:12] <fowlduck> LaserJock, basically I want my hard drive to mount on boot, but everything else has to be manual
[01:13] <fowlduck> LaserJock, does that truly not automount it by unchecking those boxes?
[01:14] <LaserJock> yeah, that's the point I believe
[01:14] <fowlduck> hmm, ok
[01:14] <fowlduck> now, are those options accessible programatically?
[01:15] <LaserJock> I would assume so, but I don't know where exactly
[01:15] <hub> fowlduck: other partitions?
[01:16] <fowlduck> hub, no, are the options to turn off automounting available to be changed programatically
[01:16] <hub> gconf
[01:16] <hub> that is where g-v-m store the things
[01:16] <fowlduck> ok
[01:17] <crimsun> /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/
[01:17] <crimsun> use gconftool-2 to query/set
[01:17] <fowlduck> crimsun, perfect, thanks
[01:21] <hub> can somebody review this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2599 ?
[01:36] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:37] <fowlduck> g'morning
[01:37] <fowlduck> well, almost good evening where i am
[01:40] <crimsun> hub: where's the orig.tar.gz?
[01:44] <hub> crimsun: it didn't get uploaded?
[01:44] <hub> crap
[01:44] <hub> *sigh*
[01:45] <hub> redoing an upload then
[01:50] <hub> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2600
[01:52] <crimsun> hub: those are some pretty strong versioned build-dependencies. Do you anticipate no requests for backporting to dapper-backports?
[01:53] <hub> crimsun: it builds on dapper
[01:53] <crimsun> hub: ok.
[01:54] <crimsun> hub: the only other suggestion I have is that you change ".org" to "organisation" in debian/control:Description
[01:55] <hub> ok
[01:55] <crimsun> let me know the new url, and I'll advocate.
[01:56] <hub> ok
[01:56] <fbond> anyone care to look at some packages on revu: midisport-firmware, sclapp, autosmbmnt, magicpipe?
[01:56] <fowlduck> is it just me or is the calife package rather useless?
[01:56] <fbond> oh, and lash ... ?
[01:56] <crimsun> lash has already been synced.
[01:56] <fbond> oh
[01:56] <fbond> where the heck did that come from
[01:56] <crimsun> from Sid
[01:56] <fbond> I never saw an ITP
[01:57] <fbond> crud
[01:57] <fbond> ok, ditch that one then
[01:57] <fbond> fine memory you have there, BTW
[01:57] <crimsun> [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-July/000964.html] 
[01:58] <fbond> crimsun, there are packages on revu that I uploaded for Dapper, but eventually were brought in as part of the aptget.org spec
[01:58] <fbond> should those be junked, probably?
[01:58] <fbond> and can you do that, if so?
[01:59] <crimsun> If they're in Dapper proper already, they can be archived. I'm not a REVU admin.
[01:59] <hub> which one?
[01:59] <fbond> the packages are: fluidsynth-dssi, xsynth-dssi, hexter
[02:00] <hub> I'll archive then
[02:00] <fbond> thanks!
[02:00] <hub> np
[02:00] <hub> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2601
[02:01] <hub> the newer upload
[02:01] <hub> time to go
[02:01] <hub> c-ya
[02:01] <crimsun> done.
[02:14] <fowlduck> crimsun, do you use the revu-tools package?
[02:14] <crimsun> fowlduck: no, but it's a good idea.
[02:15] <fowlduck> crimsun, just wondering, so if I go to submit something I can save everyone some time
[02:15] <crimsun> yes, it's a good idea.
[02:15] <crimsun> ->out for the evening.
[02:18] <fowlduck> crimsun, night then
[02:19] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
 why not append ||true to whatever p{re,ost}{inst,rm} maintainer script lines as a hackaround?
[02:37] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  directions
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:27] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hi all
[04:23] <Hawkwind> Hi ya Hobbsee
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind
[04:24] <Hawkwind> Heh, dare I ask where you actually are :P
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i'm driving to pick up a friend.
[04:24] <fowlduck> Hobbsee, on irc while driving?
[04:24] <Hawkwind> Oh.  Well have fun and be safe
[04:25] <fowlduck> Hobbsee, thats worse than a cellphone
[04:25] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: no, buti should be driving, but i'm here
[04:25] <fowlduck> Hobbsee, ahh, ok, in that case you are banished hencforth until you pick up your friend, be gone~
[04:27] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: heh
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> Female removed
[05:22] <bluefoxicy> Internet stabilized.
[05:23] <bluefoxicy> heh.  "There are no girls on the internet" is quickly turning into "there are plenty of girls on the internet, and some of them aren't lesbians"
[05:23] <bluefoxicy> I swear the net is going through puberty or something.
[05:28] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: :-)
[06:19] <lukaswayne9> Hello!  I'm running edgy right now.  I'd to compile some packages for dapper, how can I set something like that up?
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> set up a chroot?
[06:20] <bddebian> Or a pbuilder, either one
[06:20] <lukaswayne9> Do you know of any nice guides on helping me with that?
[06:21] <lukaswayne9> what's the difference between chroot and pbuilder?
[06:21] <bddebian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[06:21] <lukaswayne9> thanks
[06:22] <bddebian> NP
[06:47] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:53] <imbrandon> crimsun: ping got a few minutes to walk me though something ?
[07:53] <imbrandon> if its a bad time np
[07:53] <crimsun> imbrandon: give me 2 mins, plesae
[07:53] <crimsun> please^
[07:53] <imbrandon> np
[07:53] <imbrandon> sure
[07:58] <crimsun> imbrandon: what's up?
[07:59] <imbrandon> well i have a fresh dapper install on this lappy ( ppc ) with NO pbuilders setup yet , was wondering if you could step me through makin a edgy one ( i have done it in the past but never cleanly always had to mess with it for days to get it working )
[07:59] <imbrandon> thought maybe you could help me with the right way (tm)
[07:59] <crimsun> imbrandon: well, there are at least 2 ways on dapper
[08:00] <imbrandon> is there one you recomend ?
[08:00] <imbrandon> i ahve pbuilder and stuff installed etc just not configured at all
[08:00] <imbrandon> on this box
[08:04] <crimsun> imbrandon: the easier way is probably: cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-dapper && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-dapper create --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper restricted | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper multiverse
[08:04] <crimsun> err, sorry
[08:04] <crimsun> imbrandon: the easier way is probably: cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-dapper && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-dapper create --othermirror deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy restricted | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse
[08:05] <imbrandon> ok cool thanks a ton crimsun as i said i have done it in the past and got it working just never "the right way"(tm) from the start
[08:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:07] <imbrandon> crimsun: then after thats done i can just use it normaly like , pbuilder clean , pbuilder update , etc etc etc ?
[08:07] <crimsun> imbrandon: there's no real need to use 'clean' regularly
[08:07] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[08:07] <imbrandon> do i rename it to ~/pbuilder-edgy also when done ?
[08:08] <crimsun> if you're using dapper's debootstrap/pbuilder, no
[08:08] <imbrandon> kk
[08:08] <imbrandon> just have to know thats an edgy one
[08:08] <imbrandon> ok
[08:08] <crimsun> well, you can also just dpkg -i edgy's debootstrap and pbuilder packages
[08:09] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:09] <crimsun> then just cp /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh ~/pbuilder-edgy && mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/result && ~/pbuilder-edgy create
[08:09] <imbrandon> that might be better i think, dont think it will cause problemns do you ?
[08:09] <crimsun> it hasn't caused any problems on the debian-amd64 shell I'm using
[08:11] <imbrandon> coo; thanks
[08:11] <imbrandon> cool*
[08:11] <crimsun> np
[09:27] <\sh> moins
[09:28] <highvoltage> moin moins
[09:58] <dholbach> good morning
[09:59] <rob> hi dholbach
[09:59] <dholbach> hey rob
[10:02] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach, rob
[10:03] <rob> hiya Gloubiboulga
[10:03] <dholbach> heya Gloubiboulga
[10:03] <Toadstool> 'morning
[10:18] <Gloubiboulga> Do we have a clear policy about UVF and NEW packages (after UVF) in universe for edgy?
[10:19] <dholbach> yes
[10:20] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:20] <dholbach> -> UniverseFreeze
[10:20] <TheMuso> Hey guys. Could some MOTUs please have a look at my merges in revu? These are libibtk, and speech-dispatcher. I also have other packages, espeak, and lsr, which also need review. I particularly would like priority given to espeak and speech-dispatcher, as these will eventually be moved into main and seeded, so they need to be in ASAP.
[10:21] <Gloubiboulga> thanks dholbach
[10:21] <crimsun> July 13th is ... pretty imminent.
[10:22] <dholbach> spoken like a true motu :)
[10:22] <Toadstool> :)
[10:23] <dholbach> that's why I talked to mdz in Paris
[10:23] <crimsun> I mean, I'm hurrying through merges as fast as humanly possible given work constraints, but ...
[10:24] <dholbach> there's too much to do
[10:24] <dholbach> revu, upstream versions, merges, etc
[10:29] <Gloubiboulga> can we directly upload new release packages (packages already in ubuntu but not in debian)? I think I've never had to do this before
[10:29] <crimsun> 0ubuntu1s? sure.
[10:30] <Gloubiboulga> ok, thanks crimsun
[10:30] <crimsun> np
[10:31] <crimsun> freeflying|away: please feel free to upload zhcon-0.2.6; I'll be pretty busy this week
[10:32] <freeflying|away> crimsun: me too, heh
[10:33] <crimsun> ah, ok
[10:44] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, added on my TODO list, wil have a look at your packages (if nobody's already started)
[10:44] <Gloubiboulga> s/wil/will
[10:45] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Thanks a lot.
[10:45] <TheMuso> Those priority packages are spec related, much appreciated.
[10:49] <crimsun> I'll do espeak now.
[10:50] <TheMuso> crimsun: Gloubiboulga looked at espeak previously, noting a few things, which I have fixed up.
[10:54] <crimsun> TheMuso: suggestion: in debian/control:Description, use "text to speech system (TTS)" first. I wasn't familiar with the acronym.
[10:55] <TheMuso> oh ok
[10:55] <crimsun> (2nd para)
[10:55] <TheMuso> That was a copy and paste. :)
[10:58] <crimsun> looks solid
[10:58] <TheMuso> Ok, if there is nothing else, I'll put this slightly revised one up. :)
[10:58] <crimsun> ok, let me know the URL, please
[10:58] <TheMuso> on revu I mean.
[10:58] <crimsun> (right)
[10:59] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[10:59] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[10:59] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: where in particular are you?
[11:00] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: At home atm.
[11:00] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: fair enough
[11:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:01] <crimsun> "in #ubuntu-motu"
[11:01] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok its up.
[11:03] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Were you wondering anything more specific?
[11:03] <crimsun> looks good.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: yeah, i was
[11:03] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok thanks a lot.
[11:03] <crimsun> TheMuso: np
[11:04] <ajmitch> hi
[11:04] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> hi stranger named ajmitch
[11:05] <ajmitch> :P
[11:05] <crimsun> wow, a real live StevenK upload :p. Two!
[11:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, it happens occasionally, when he's poked into working.
[11:06] <crimsun> oh, Three.
[11:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: really? amazing
[11:07] <crimsun> Hobbsee: he must be jumping often
[11:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh
[11:07] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Are you still a MOTU hopeful, or are you a MOTU for real?
[11:08] <crimsun> (she's getting the bofh down, that's for sure)
[11:08] <ajmitch> hah
[11:08] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i'm not a MOTU.
[11:08] <TheMuso> heh
[11:08] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Right.
[11:08] <Hobbsee> you never know
[11:10] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, espeak uploaded
[11:10] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Thanks heaps.
[11:10] <crimsun> :)
[11:11] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, np :)
[11:11] <ajmitch> before I get poked into uploading as well
[11:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:12] <ajmitch> wonderful
[11:13] <Hobbsee> in fact...
[11:13] <TheMuso> heh
[11:13] <crimsun> hmm, that's ... odd.
[11:14] <crimsun> click on speech-dispatcher and get "directory (/var/revu/revu1-incoming/speech-dispatcher-0606292345/) of upload (2554) not found"
[11:14] <TheMuso> Got the same thing.
[11:15] <seaLne> i'm having problems trying to package a new program in its Makefile.defs it specifies "-I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/sfw/include" which don't exist if i change the ssl one to be /usr/include/openssl/ it dosen't compile, any ideas?
[11:17] <crimsun> I take it said package doesn't use autotools?
[11:17] <seaLne> no
[11:17] <seaLne> it has these defined:
[11:17] <seaLne> INCDIRS  = -I/usr/local/ssl/include -I/usr/sfw/include -I. -Ilib
[11:17] <seaLne> LIBDIRS  = -L/usr/local/ssl/lib -I/usr/sfw/lib -L.
[11:18] <seaLne> i already changed the normal stuff in the Makefile but this has me confused
[11:18] <TheMuso> Makefiles suck for this reason. :)
[11:18] <TheMuso> IMO
[11:19] <crimsun> I wonder why it says -I/usr/sfw/lib instead of -L/usr/sfw/lib
[11:19] <TheMuso> What is sfw anyway?
[11:19] <seaLne> no idea
[11:19] <seaLne> that was my next question
[11:19] <seaLne> :)
[11:20] <crimsun> that should be documented in the source's README/INSTALL/foo
[11:21] <seaLne> its not
[11:21] <crimsun> how courteous
[11:22] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Thanks for the mail.
[11:23] <MadMan2k>  I've got some general questions regarding packaging:
[11:23] <MadMan2k>  if I add lets say -march=athlon-xp to debian/rules, the package still has the suffix _i386. is this correct?
[11:23] <crimsun> seaLne: how does it use SSL in the preprocessor statements? (Paste an example #include)
[11:23] <crimsun> MadMan2k: yes, but that's Very Bad Practice.
[11:24] <TheMuso> MadMan2k: AFAIK yes.
[11:24] <Yagisan> yeah, but if you do add -march=athlon-xp, MadMan2k, it won't be acceptable for ubuntu
[11:24] <Yagisan> bah. too slow
[11:24] <MadMan2k> thx, just wanted to know this for my personal use :)
[11:24] <seaLne> crimsun: weird now if i correct the ssl bits it still builds
[11:25] <crimsun> seaLne: as it should.
[11:25] <seaLne> yeah which was why i was confused before :)
[11:26] <MadMan2k> next one: is it safe to generally use CDBS?
[11:26] <seaLne>  /usr/sfw seems to be a place to symlink stuff in solaris?
[11:27] <StevenK> crimsun: Don't make me kick you. :-P
[11:28] <ajmitch> hello StevenK
[11:28] <crimsun> StevenK  :p
[11:29] <Hobbsee> hi StevenK
[11:29] <ajmitch> more squashed Hobbsee to clean off the channel again
[11:30] <Hobbsee> hehe, yeah, go ahead and try
[11:30] <Hobbsee> and to throw furry eyeballs at people.
[11:30] <StevenK> Just me, or the entire channel?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> StevenK: entire channel, of course
[11:33] <Yagisan> o_O I had to read that twice Hobbsee. missed the eye first time.
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: what, you expected me to throw furry people around???
[11:34] <StevenK> Maybe he meant 'furry balls'
[11:35] <ajmitch> ok..
[11:36] <ajmitch> rather annoying at times, isn't i?
[11:36] <StevenK> Indeed.
[11:37] <StevenK> If I run gnuclient by accident, it starts the X client on :0.0
[11:41] <StevenK> Ow!
[11:42] <ajmitch> what a surprise
[11:45] <crimsun> oh the violence.
[11:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:45] <StevenK> You should see the bruise she left. :-P
[11:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:46] <StevenK> Whatever. It's only my mothers spagetti bols.
[11:46] <StevenK> From Liar Liar, "I've had better."
[11:49] <seaLne> for those of you not totally uninterested /usr/sfw is where SunFreeWare.org stuff is installed on solaris
[11:50] <StevenK> Hah. I was about mutter 'FHS', and then I read 'on Solaris'.
[11:50] <Hobbsee> could be tasty
[12:09] <TheMuso> seaLne: Interesting.
[12:21] <MadMan2k> quick question: how can I alter the prefix to /usr/local7 using cdbs?
[12:21] <MadMan2k> * /usr/local/
[12:22] <TheMuso> THere is a cdbs variable that can be set to specify alternate configure flags. Not sure if it is possible to override the prefix that way. A cdbs guru will have a better idea about that.
[12:28] <MadMan2k> thanks, I'll try: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS
[12:55] <Seveas> \sh, you around?
[12:55] <\sh> Seveas: somehow :)
[12:56] <Seveas> \sh, you run your own jabber service, right?
[12:56] <\sh> Seveas: yepp
[12:56] <Seveas> which daemon?
[12:56] <\sh> ejabberd
[12:56] <Seveas> (and if you have time to answer: why that one)
[12:57] <Seveas> does ejabberd have an msn transport?
[12:57] <\sh> because it's more stable then jabberd2..I used first jabberd2 in the beginning, and the core modules (s2s, c2s etc.) had problems with utf8 xml characters etc.
[12:58] <\sh> Seveas: all transports are external...so you can plug them in easily. for msn you should use PyMSN-t
[12:58] <Seveas> thanks!
[12:58] <\sh> Seveas: but ejabberd integrates MUC, PubSub, and an rudmentary irc transport
[12:58] <rob> actually, we are working on a server side "transport" for jabber for freenode :)
[12:59] <Seveas> \sh, is the hoary version any good or would you recommend a backport of the dapper version?
[12:59] <Seveas> rob, sounds nice
[12:59] <\sh> Seveas: I'm using a selfbuild 1.0.0 version of ejabberd...
[12:59] <\sh> Seveas: on hoary that is
[01:00] <Seveas> thanks again, wont bother you with more questions 
[01:00] <\sh> Seveas: I'm happy to help :=
[01:31] <MadMan2k> still trying to cahnge --prefix using cdbs - anyone an idea?
[01:35] <kelmo> MadMan2k: COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS or DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS  as per /usr/share/doc/cdbs/cdbs-doc.pdf.gz
[01:36] <MadMan2k> tried both but it still sets --prefix=/usr
[01:37] <MadMan2k> but in case of  DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS Im getting my prefix appended at the end
[01:38] <Toadstool> MadMan2k: in my wide-dhcpv6 package I use DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET += prefix=$(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr
[01:39] <Toadstool> kinda ugly but at least it works...
[01:39] <kelmo> or, forget the autotools cdbs class and configure by a hand written command . . .
[01:40] <Toadstool> and then forget about cdbs and even debhelper and do it all by hand :)
[01:40] <kelmo> well, you can go to that extreme too ;-)
[01:41] <dholbach> MadMan2k: do you first include stuff and then use deb_configure_extra_flags?
[01:41] <MadMan2k> yep
[01:41] <kelmo> set the var first
[01:45] <azeem> how about modifying the universe irc clients to connect to #ubuntu/irc.freenode.net by default, rather than #debian/irc.debian.org by default?
[01:45] <azeem> apparently, at least some of them do so
[01:48] <MadMan2k> kelmo: just did so and it doesnt recognize any options at all
[01:49] <kelmo> MadMan2k: then my menory fails me, sorry
[01:49] <kelmo> memory*
[01:50] <Toadstool> when you include the file it defines the var and overrides any previous definitions, doesn't it?
[02:07] <MadMan2k> ok the solution is: DEB_CONFIGURE_PREFIX
[02:07] <MadMan2k> I hate this undocumented shit
[02:07] <Toadstool> why do you use it then? :)
[02:07] <tseng> thats what you get for using CDBS
[02:08] <MadMan2k> its easier to look it up in the source then write the source myself :D
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:42] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[02:42] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[03:17] <\sh> sivang: ping
[03:17] <\sh> sivang: python2.5 will be standard in edgy?
[03:21] <DanielC> What do I do after uploading a package to Revu? Should I do anything to get someone to notice it? :)  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2592
[03:21] <seaLne> DanielC: jump up and down that usually works
[03:21] <bddebian> DanielC: You can try to poke an MOTU reviewer but it will get noticed
[03:21] <DanielC> :)
[03:21] <bddebian> seaLne: ;-)
[03:22] <seaLne> i'm having a problem with dpatch: http://pastebin.ca/79504
[03:22] <seaLne> ubuntu_01_debianisation.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument
[03:22] <DanielC> Laser_away was interested in the guides, so I'll ping him when he's not away.
[03:24] <bddebian> seaLne: What is dpatch call-all?
[03:24] <seaLne> no idea
[03:24] <seaLne> when i've used dpatch before it just worked
[03:24] <bddebian> Hmm, I've never seen that
[03:24] <bddebian> Not that, that means anything, I'm dumb ya know :-)
[03:25] <seaLne> on a different question when i ram dh_make it created a -doc package in debian/control aswell is that a new requirement?
[03:26] <lukaswayne9> I registered by pgp key with launchpad and joined the new contrib group last night, but my uploads are still getting rejected
[03:26] <TheMuso> seaLne: Was the package using dpatch originally?
[03:27] <seaLne> its a new package
[03:27] <TheMuso> Ah ok.
[03:27] <bddebian> seaLne: I don't believe that the -doc package is required but you might want to check policy on that
[03:28] <TheMuso> What made you decide to use dpatch?
[03:28] <seaLne> is there a reason not to?
[03:29] <seaLne> http://pastebin.ca/79508 is the .dpatch file
[03:29] <TheMuso> Not as far as I know. I just remember when I was putting a patch together for a new package, I was advised to include it in the .diff.gz, and not as a patch file itself.
[03:29] <TheMuso> But I guess it depends on the package.
[03:30] <seaLne> i recently had to break up the nasty "everything in the .diff.gz" of k3b so i could merge it, so i'm pretty against that :)
[03:30] <lukaswayne9> Why is kopete in the revu?  Isn't it already in main?
[03:30] <TheMuso> Others who have had more experience are in a better position to comment however.
[03:32] <seaLne> lukaswayne9: presumably the uploader wanted people to look at it
[03:33] <kelmo> TheMuso: i always use a patch management system for even minor changes to upstream source
[03:33] <TheMuso> Hmm right.
[03:33] <kelmo> TheMuso: but, that is personal preference only
[03:33] <TheMuso> I guess it depends on how big the changes are.
[03:33] <kelmo> i don't think policy demands it
[03:33] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:33] <lukaswayne9> Is there a reference for the icons on the left side for the revu2?
[03:34] <TheMuso> kelmo: I just took crimsun's advice re patching. :)
[04:15] <bddebian> tritium!!
[04:15] <bddebian> tritium: How have you been man?
[04:15] <tritium> hey bddebian :)
[04:15] <tritium> great, how about you, bddebian?
[04:16] <bddebian> OK thanks.  Stupid as ever ;-)
[04:16] <tritium> No you're not.  What are you up to?
[04:17] <bddebian> tritium: Merges and annoying Debian Developers. :-)  You?
[04:18] <tritium> bddebian: working a lot, both at work, and around the house/yard
[04:18] <bddebian> Ah yes, the "joys" of home ownership ;-)
[04:19] <tritium> yep :)
[04:30] <lukaswayne9> Is linda broken in edgy?
[04:37] <havoc> hmm, new bitlbee released
[05:02] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, the short description for speech-dispatcher-flite is really what you want?
[06:51] <Sp4rKy> hy
[06:51] <bddebian> Heya Sp4rKy
[06:51] <Sp4rKy> \sh_away, do you have a few minutes for pv ?
[06:55] <Sp4rKy> please MOTU's , i and Lut1n would packaging e17 for Universe repositories
[06:55] <Sp4rKy> but all the CVS / tarball are already debiannized
[06:55] <ogra> Sp4rKy, ask upstream to remove that
[06:56] <Sp4rKy> so does it exist another way ...
[06:56] <Sp4rKy> ogra, yes ... but the problem is they don't want remove that at all
[06:56] <ogra> then tell them we cant package it
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> isn't there another way ?
[06:57] <Sp4rKy> Gloubiboulga, said me \sh have packaged wine, whereas source tarball are already debianized
[06:58] <ogra> there is a non debianized source tarball as well
[06:58] <Sp4rKy> k
[06:59] <ogra> are you sure the *real* upstream tarballs (the ones used for suse and redhat etc) ahve a debian dir ?
[06:59] <Sp4rKy> yes
[07:00] <Sp4rKy> there is onluy the CVS (debianized) and tarball at freedesktop.org (debianized)
[07:00] <ogra> well you could repackage the upstream source, but thats considered to be very very dirty
[07:00] <Gloubiboulga> ajmitch, is it possible to update the edgy pbuilder on tiber?
[07:00] <Sp4rKy> so 'll not be accepted to REVU ://
[07:01] <Sp4rKy> and if we ask upstream to create another tarball which is not debianized ...
[07:02] <ogra> Sp4rKy, if you do it from CVS it shouldnt do any harm to remove the debian dir ... tag it as a cvs package in the version
[07:02] <Sp4rKy> k
[07:02] <ogra> i'm just looking at enlightenment.org ... its considered unstable still ...
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> yes
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> so i can use dpkg-buildpackaje -us -uc
[07:03] <Sp4rKy> and the package could be accepted at REVU ?
[07:06] <ogra> i guess so ...
[07:10] <Sp4rKy> k
[07:31] <bddebian> LaserJock!
[07:32] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[07:32] <cypher1> hi all
[07:32] <LaserJock> hi  cypher1
[07:32] <cypher1> hi LaserJock
[07:33] <bddebian> Hello cypher1
[07:34] <cypher1> hi bddebian
[07:34] <cypher1> today i am planning to continue my learning to packaging
[07:34] <cypher1> :)
[07:37] <bddebian> Great :-)
[08:17] <\sh> re
[08:19] <LaserJock> hi \sh
[08:22] <\sh> merging via umts ... ugh
[08:25] <bddebian> wb \sh
[08:30] <crimsun> we need an impromptu revu hour
[08:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:31] <\sh> after UVF?
[08:31] <\sh> we have too many merges left
[08:32] <LaserJock> maybe we should try to clean out some of the non-NEW REVU stuff
[08:32] <LaserJock> since that might have problems after UVF
[08:32] <\sh> do we get merges from not-now-motus on revu?
[08:33] <crimsun> I think a couple people have been using revu for that
[08:33] <LaserJock> probably not merges, but bug fixes etc
[08:33] <LaserJock> the stuff with just a hammer and no light bulb on REVU
[08:34] <\sh> hmmm...do you think it would be a better idea to put package fixes as attachment to the bugreports in lp?
[08:34] <\sh> and to not use revu for those packages?
[08:34] <bddebian> Aye, but what about merges?
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, there is a lot of that before we had the motu-reviewers LP team
[08:35] <crimsun> we should just ask people to file LP bugs for merges and package fixes
[08:35] <LaserJock> and really started using Malone for workflow
[08:35] <bddebian> Think revu could add an icon for 'already in archive' or something?
[08:35] <AnAnt> if I have a new software that wasn't in Ubuntu nor Debian before, can I add it to REVU ?
[08:35] <\sh> public webspace to upload those merges, just like I do e.g.?
[08:36] <\sh> AnAnt: yes
[08:36] <crimsun> bddebian: if it's already in the archive, arguably it should be filed on LP
[08:36] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's what the light bulb, or lack of, is for
[08:36] <crimsun> filed in^
[08:37] <AnAnt> k
[08:37] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[08:38] <bddebian> Well I started trying to 'review' but apparently I am not thorough enough.  I see comments on there that I am like "wow, how the hell did you catch that.." etc :-)
[08:39] <LaserJock> same here
[08:39] <LaserJock> I think that it's good to have a 2 stage review that way
[08:39] <LaserJock> let dopes like us do the initial review to catch the simple things, and then pass it along for the in-depth grilling ;-)
[08:40] <bddebian> Hehe, there ya go :-)
[08:40] <\sh> you can only learn from that ;)
[08:40] <bddebian> Oh no, "Mr. Sunshine" is back ;-P
[08:41] <jpatrick> I dislike sunshine
[08:42] <LaserJock> heh, you'd like my line of work then
[08:42] <bddebian> \sh: Don't you know us "old dogs" can't learn "new tricks"? ;-)
[08:44] <\sh> bddebian: I learn every day something new...you should too ;)
[08:45] <bddebian> I'm incapable ;-)
[08:46] <crimsun> I get plenty of sunshine from this lcd.
[08:46] <crimsun> Yagisan: you were a wee lad once, too.
[08:46] <Yagisan> crimsun: I still *am* a wee lad
[08:46] <LaserJock> Yagisan: I'm more amazed at how much they can put out ;-)
[08:47] <crimsun> that's kinda scary
[08:47] <Yagisan> crimsun: I'm only 24
[08:47] <crimsun> younguns!
[08:47] <Yagisan> well, physically anyway
[08:47] <jpatrick> you are 9 years older than me
[08:47] <LaserJock> crimsun: hah! you aren't that old
[08:48] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm younger than lamont, true.
[08:48] <Yagisan> LaserJock: oh yes. That is impressive
[08:48] <\sh> lol
[08:48] <zul> crimsun: everyone is younger than lamont :)
[08:48] <\sh> crimsun: this is not so difficult to be younger then lamont ;)
[08:48] <crimsun> hehe
[08:49] <bddebian> Hmm, I doubt that I am
[08:49] <crimsun> you've got to be in your late 40s, then
[08:49] <bddebian> Oh.. Hmm.  I thought 37 was ancient around here? ;)
[08:49] <zul> it is
[08:50] <crimsun> fogey :p
[08:50] <bddebian> :'-(
[08:50] <\sh> bddebian: that's 2 years more then me ;)
[08:53] <LaserJock> bah, you guys are all ancient ;-)
[08:54] <LaserJock> actually, I was looking at Andreas' survey results and the average ages was somewhere around 29 I think
[08:55] <zul> wohoo...im above average
[08:55] <jpatrick> LaserJock: I guess me < *
[08:55] <LaserJock> yep
[08:56] <LaserJock> basically it looked like it was mostly 20s and 30s
[08:57] <LaserJock> heh
[08:58] <jpatrick> Yagisan: you're half-way there
[08:59] <Yagisan> physically yeah - mentally I feel much older :(
[09:00] <crimsun> kids will do that to you
[09:01] <bddebian> Yagisan: Heh, mentally I feel like an 80 year old :-)
[09:02] <bddebian> crimsun: OK Mr. Impromptu revu.  Gonna give us a tutorial? :-)
[09:03] <crimsun> bddebian: when I finish the alsa-utils merge
[09:04] <bddebian> crimsun: :-)
[09:04] <Yagisan> crimsun: I felt old before I had them. although I have seemed to age more now
[09:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: http://mentors.debian.net has some good review info under the "For Sponsors" part
[09:05] <LaserJock> btw, we should look at their newly redone site
[09:06] <LaserJock> \o/
[09:06] <LaserJock> ouch, that hurt ;-)
[09:07] <bddebian> Yagisan: Heh
[09:09] <highvoltage> Yagisan: you will last
[09:09] <highvoltage> bddebian fades in comparrison to you :)
[09:10] <LaserJock> I didn't think a diety could die ;-)
[09:12] <LaserJock> no wonder you're feeling so old, you always go to bed when you should be getting up :-)
[09:12] <bddebian> Heh
[09:13] <Yagisan> LaserJock: don't worry. The kids will wake me up in 2-3 hours
[09:13] <Yagisan> sleep is for the weak! (Famous Last Words, before lapsing into a coma)
[09:16] <bddebian> Yagisan: Amen brother :-)
[09:16] <LaserJock> I don't seem to do so well without sleep
[09:16] <LaserJock> I just get sick
[09:18] <Yagisan> I just get cranky and stop caring about should I stop and think before opening my big mouth.
[09:18] <Yagisan> I've had my foot in my mouth so often, that I'm used to the taste
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> \sh, is it possible for any tiber user to update the edgy pbuilder or an admin has to do it?
[09:22] <Gloubiboulga> and hi :)
[09:23] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: if you have sudo rights, you can do it, if not, only admins
[09:23] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: you need an update?
[09:23] <Gloubiboulga> I don't have sudo rights, so I can't do it
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> \sh, yep, to test goffice build
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> it takes ages to build on my box
[09:24] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: ok...one moment :)
[09:24] <Gloubiboulga> \sh, thanks :)
[09:26] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: done
[09:26] <Gloubiboulga> \sh, thanks again
[09:27] <\sh> Gloubiboulga: you're welcome
[09:29] <bddebian> LaserJock: Light buld is supposed to mean it IS in the archive?
[09:30] <bddebian> Err s/buld/bulb/
[09:30] <bddebian> Oh, lightbulb means NEW, never mind...
[09:32] <bddebian> How many advocates is a package supposed to have before upload?
[09:32] <crimsun> 2
[09:32] <bddebian> And why are there so many comments and so few advocates?
[09:32] <crimsun> because Gloubiboulga and I haven't gotten around to tag-teaming
[09:34] <bddebian> Gah, I have got to fix my server box.. :-(
[09:36] <\sh> 0:1 Portugal vs France
[09:38] <zul> good...go allez france
[09:38] <crimsun> hah, many of my coworkers left early and don't plan to return today because of that game
[09:39] <\sh> zul: penalty goal ;)
[09:40] <zul> portugal should have never won
[09:41] <\sh> the plan was, that germany should lose the championships...and they did
[09:44] <\sh> did anyone tried cowdancer instead of pbuilder?
[09:44] <Yagisan> \sh thats a shame. I'd prefer germany over italy
[09:44] <zul> cowdancer?
[09:44] <Yagisan> \sh: not yet. I found pbuilder on tmpfs is fast enough for me
[09:45] <crimsun> man, if I could have pbuilder on tmpfs...
[09:45] <\sh> was it cowdancer, or do I mix names again?
[09:45] <Yagisan> crimsun: how much ram do you have ?
[09:45] <crimsun> Yagisan: 512 MB
[09:45] <Yagisan> ah
[09:45] <crimsun> I'm a bit wary of putting more RAM into a machine that I don't own, though
[09:46] <crimsun> (this is a Canonical-sponsored ThinkPad)
[09:46] <\sh> france wins
[09:47] <\sh> with 1:0 versus portugal...means germany has to play against portugal
[09:47] <Yagisan> and yes, sometimes I do get more then 50% swap used o_O
[09:47] <Gloubiboulga> I hope the french team will lose
[09:47] <Gloubiboulga> if not people will scream in the streets all night
[09:47] <Gloubiboulga> I want to sleep
[09:47] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: you want italy to dive again ?
[09:48] <Yagisan> ah. damm lag
[09:48] <Gloubiboulga> Yagisan, I don't care actually, I don't like football/soccer
[09:49] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga: I just wanted to see a good match (and when the only other thing on is tv shopping, soccer looks real good)
[09:49] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[09:49] <hub> Gloubiboulga: welcome to the club
[09:59] <jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: I hope Portugal will lose
[09:59] <Gloubiboulga> jpatrick, tss tss
[10:00] <jpatrick> Gloubiboulga: Rolando is a b*******
[10:00] <Gloubiboulga> I guess you're right, I've never heard of him ^^
[10:01] <jpatrick> he's a Portugese strikers
[10:02] <\sh> oh it was the frist half .. france didn't win ;)
[10:03] <AstralJava> Never heard of Rolando either... :) But now the second half calls.
[10:17] <hub> do I have to go throught REVU for a package update in universe?
[10:18] <LaserJock> to an existing Ubuntu package?
[10:18] <hub> yeah
[10:19] <hub> that even Debian hasn't updated
[10:19] <hub> (for Edgy off course)
[10:20] <LaserJock> no, you don't need REVU
[10:21] <LaserJock> if it's a bug fix, merge, or sync it is preferrable to use LP, IMO
[10:21] <hub> it is none of these
[10:21] <hub> or I haven't found them
[10:22] <LaserJock> what exactly do you want then?
[10:22] <bddebian> Sounds like packaging of a newer upstream version?
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> does anyone could says me if audacious seems good (i've just uploaded it)
[10:30] <rob> how does one request a sync if a new package just entered debian unstable?
[10:30] <bddebian> rob: It will get synced automagically afaik
[10:30] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: I don't see todays upload yet
[10:30] <rob> ah, ok. how long does it take?
[10:30] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, k
[10:31] <bddebian> rob: That I don't know, sorry
[10:31] <rob> :)
[10:31] <\sh> rob: the ubuntu package is versioned with XubuntuY or is it just the plain debian package now?
[10:31] <rob> I would say just plain debian as it isn't in Ubuntu yet
[10:31] <\sh> rob: ask keybuk how it works nowadays
[10:31] <rob> ok :)
[10:36] <rob> ah, look at that, it is in edgy already
[10:36] <rob> but its still the debian version
[10:38] <bddebian> rob: It will always be the Debian version unless an Ubuntu specific change is necessary.
[10:38] <rob> yep
[10:39] <rob> I'll mess around with it later
[10:39] <bddebian> crimsun: How long are we leaving these packages out on REVU without response from the uploader?  Many of them seem to go back to January, etc
[10:42] <\sh> shit..even thinkpads are hot
[10:43] <crimsun> bddebian: I'm making a concerted effort to process them quickly today/tomorrow
[10:43] <crimsun> [but right now I have to finish this alsa-utils merge] 
[10:43] <bddebian> crimsun: Is there anything I can do on REVU?
[10:43] <crimsun> absolutely, continue chugging through them
[10:43] <LaserJock> yes, review
[10:44] <bddebian> I'm trying but so far many of them need changed/re-uploaded, etc :-)
[10:45] <LaserJock> yep, kinda like those NeedsInfo bugs
[10:49] <bddebian> Yeah :-(
[10:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, I got a new response from a DD.  "What's a .desktop file?" :-)
[10:53] <\sh> bddebian: bug id?
[10:53] <\sh> france wins
[10:53] <lionelp> :)
[10:54] <bddebian> \sh: He responded privately, not on the bug unfortunately :-)
[10:54] <\sh> that's sad
[10:55] <Gloubiboulga> yeah
[10:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm afraid that is not going to be an uncommon response
[10:57] <bddebian> Well they are going to love all the bugs I've been submitting then :-)
[10:58] <LaserJock> I hope so, we really need to raise Debian's .desktop awareness
[10:58] <DanielC> LaserJock: ping
[10:59] <LaserJock> DanielC: yeah, I saw it, I'm in a meeting at the moment
[10:59] <DanielC> LaserJock: You're a mind reader :)
[10:59] <LaserJock> DanielC: I saw a few changes that need to be done
[10:59] <fowlduck> hi
[10:59] <LaserJock> DanielC: I'll try to comment as soon as I can
[10:59] <DanielC> Thanks!
[11:02] <Gloubiboulga> hi fowlduck
[11:03] <bddebian> Ack, gotta go home.  Later folks
[11:20] <hub> wasn't there something about having all the packages in bzr?
[11:20] <LaserJock> hub: yep
[11:21] <LaserJock> and it was approved I believe
[11:22] <hub> ok so I have to do that before committing this update
[11:22] <LaserJock> no
[11:23] <LaserJock> I mean, I'm not really sure but it depends on the package. most  packages aren't in bzr yet I don't think
[11:23] <hub> it is not yet
[11:35] <crimsun> LaserJock: pretty much any main package I touch is in bzr
[11:35] <LaserJock> Main I can believe, but Universe I doubt
[11:36] <crimsun> yeah, I've done a few universe ones
[11:36] <LaserJock> but I haven't really looked
[11:36] <crimsun> certainly not all the ones I've merged, though
[11:36] <LaserJock> I know of a few
[11:40] <hub> I didn't put the one I merged either
[11:42] <hub> the fun thing is that I do the merge on dapper
[11:42] <hub> check in pbuilder for edgy
[11:42] <hub> :-)
[11:42] <crimsun> that's precisely how I'm doing mine
[11:43] <hub> I don't wnat to fsck up my laptop for now
[11:43] <crimsun> I kinda need my system stable :-)
[11:43] <hub> after desktop con / OLS, maybe
[11:43] <crimsun> come late August I'll dist-upgrade
[11:43] <hub> I'll do it before possible
[11:43] <hub> y
[11:44] <LaserJock> I might just chroot it for a while
[11:44] <LaserJock> I ran soley Dapper for a long time, but Edgy is so short
[11:46] <hub> I have been running dapper since December
[11:46] <hub> I install fligh2 on this laptop
[11:47] <hub> crap, I have pbuild that package
[11:54] <crimsun> hoo-rah, all my named main ones merged and bzr pushed.
[11:55] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:56] <crimsun> ah crap, and just like that there's a newer Debian revision :-P
[11:56] <LaserJock> wha?
[11:56] <LaserJock> that sucks
[11:57] <crimsun> no biggie. I'm in cahoots with pkg-alsa-devel anyway :p
[11:58] <LaserJock> ohhh, cahoots ;-)
[11:58] <freeflying|away> crimsun: the maintainer of zhcon will upload the latest release today
[11:58] <crimsun> freeflying|away: hooray
[12:05] <LaserJock> TheMuso: the whole spec thing is a little confusing for me too
[12:05] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Its not just the specs, if how one works with them in launchpad sometimes.,
[12:06] <LaserJock> yep
[12:06] <crimsun> there's no workflow doc?
[12:06] <fowlduck> hallo
[12:06] <LaserJock> well, all the stuff I've seen on LP is very general