[12:13] and I wanted to install ubuntu [12:13] that is a big problem. [12:13] hehe :) [12:13] previously I had windows [12:13] that's a good solution [12:13] yeah, Windows rocks! [12:13] meh [12:13] well I have a root partition that was setup [12:14] mhz: I meant ubuntu is a good solution :P [12:14] when I installed [12:14] basically I overwrote an ntfs partition [12:14] and that was fine [12:14] I also did the same with a logical partition that used to be ntfs [12:14] HedgeMage: yeah, i just could not resist the temptation :) [12:14] and this is uspposed to be mouned at /home/ === jmolmos [n=leo@pc-2-11-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] cbx33: so, what is the issue? [12:15] jmolmos: holas [12:15] the problem is [12:15] it refuses to mount it at boot [12:15] even though I can mount it from a knoppix live [12:15] cbx33: is it in /etc/fstab? [12:15] and ubuntu obviously mounted it at some point because it creaed the default user there [12:15] yes it is in fstab [12:16] cbx33: do you have data in there? [12:16] if I try to mount manually I get mount: /dev/hdc7 already mounted or /home busy [12:16] are you saying / doesn't mount (i.e., the kernel panics), or are you saying that second [logical] partition isn't automounted? [12:16] the second logical drive will not mount [12:16] not even manually [12:16] I know it's not already mounted [12:16] oh, i see [12:16] holas mhz [12:16] and I know the directory isn't busy [12:16] what's the output from ``sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc'' ? [12:17] it's there [12:17] jmolmos: en tu lugar de ingresar texto, escribe esto: /join #edubuntu-es (y presiona enter) [12:17] /dev/hdc7 2295 6118 30716248+ 83 Linux [12:17] hmmm [12:17] and ``mount |grep hdc7'' ? [12:17] and the output of mount? [12:18] it is not mounted [12:18] and its fstab line? [12:18] /dev/hdc7 /home ext2 defaults 0 1 [12:18] whoops [12:19] 2 for the last number [12:19] why not 0? [12:20] so I presume you're intending to have a separate /home? [12:20] yes [12:21] cbx33: and you say that only 'mount' output gives no mounted point for /home? [12:21] hmm, you /should/ be able to mount over another mountpoint [12:22] the extended partion has a tag of W95 Ext'd (LBA) [12:22] i think it was original extended with windows fdisk utility [12:22] on the off chance that it's your user being logged in, trying enabling root, logging in as root, making sure nothing is accessing /home (using lsof), and then mounting /dev/hdc7 [12:23] ok [12:23] good idea [12:23] how do i enable root again :p [12:23] never had to do it [12:23] passwd -l root [12:24] no [12:24] sudo -s [12:24] then passwd [12:24] or... [12:24] sudo passwd [12:24] I'm pretty sure you don't want to do what -l does semantically [12:24] ok [12:27] crimsun, same message exactly [12:27] and I confirmed nothing is accessing /home [12:28] as I said the funny thing is knoppix will mount it [12:28] and ubuntu obviously did mount it in the past because it wrote my user directory to it [12:28] does ``dmesg|tail'' offer any clues? [12:29] nope [12:29] nothing [12:29] how about strace -fF, then? [12:30] what does that do| [12:30] follow forks [12:30] so [12:30] strace -f mount ....... etc [12:31] ok lots of output [12:31] I'm gonna pipe to a file and pastebin [12:34] cbx33: my best tip woul be to boot from LiveCD (gentoo livecd is great and faster) and mount/umount the partition you have issues with [12:34] already done that [12:34] and once everything is ok, you edit fstab accordingly === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [12:34] it works fine on live cd [12:34] but not in ubuntu [12:35] cbx33: yeah, but ubuntu live cd 'automount' stuff [12:35] it was the knopix live cd [12:35] i manually mounted it [12:35] same :) [12:35] and was able to read off of it [12:35] automounting usally works so magically that we never see issues [12:36] crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/79972 [12:36] mhz, it wasn't auto mounted [12:36] i manually mounted it with a simpke mount command [12:37] oh, and what if you edit your current fstab, comment the line about /hdc7 [12:37] and mount it manually again [12:37] same thing [12:37] I have manually pointed it to a diferent path [12:37] # [12:37] 4751 mount("/dev/hdc7", "/home", "ext2", MS_POSIXACL|MS_ACTIVE|MS_NOUSER|0xec0000, 0x8077b50) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) [12:38] line 164 in the pastebin [12:38] cbx33: and what is you format it again? [12:38] is = if === foxfire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu [12:38] I have already done that [12:38] removed the partition and recreated it === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === mhz scratches his head...why would MS_POSIXACL stuff appear? [12:40] it's the Device or resource busy that' bothering me [12:40] how can I check that [12:40] someone on a forum said something about libdevmapper doing something sometimes [12:40] i dunno [12:40] more troubling is the /sbin/mount.ext2 [12:40] we, um, don't have that. [12:40] y? [12:41] it does the same even if it's ext3 [12:41] it was that originally [12:41] it shouldn't even be looking for /sbin/mount.ext2 [12:41] but i recreated the partition in knoppix [12:41] which doesn't do ext3 [12:41] that's fine. [12:42] so any further things to check [12:42] it says it's busy [12:42] y? [12:43] hmmm [12:43] sec, let me try something. === mhz is not sure /hdc7 has been formted well [12:43] it was formatted by ubuntu install and had data on it [12:43] i had similar issues with CF cards [12:44] I have since re formatted with knoppix [12:44] thanks crimsun [12:45] ok, red herring (whew) [12:46] :( [12:46] it's supposed to look for /sbin/mount* first [12:46] ah ok [12:47] can you pastebin dmesg, too? [12:47] sure === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:48] http://pastebin.ca/79982 [12:49] [4294675.066000] hdc: hdc1 hdc2 < hdc5 hdc6 hdc7 > hdc3 [12:50] # [12:50] [4294688.836000] Adding 3068372k swap on /dev/hdc5. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3068372k [12:50] pics up swap ok too [12:51] is hdc1 your / ? [12:51] yes [12:51] i can try removing and recreating the partition again if you want [12:51] please [12:52] oh and I can quite happily mount hdc6 [12:52] it is the boot parition for the fedora install [12:52] if it's not a geometry issue, the only thing I can think of is some sort of attribute{,s} that prevent it being mounted? [12:53] just rebooting then I'll check flags etc [12:54] can someone give me a quick line for mke2fs to create the filesystem [12:56] mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc7 [12:56] ok [12:56] something interesting here [12:57] it /should/ error [12:57] /dev/hdc7 is apprently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here [12:57] right. [12:57] good/bad ? [12:57] consistent [12:57] well, it's bad, but at least it's consistent. [12:57] can you ``umount /dev/hdc7''? [12:58] not mounted [12:59] with -f ? [12:59] will probably complain about mtab [12:59] umount2: Invalid argument [12:59] umount: /dev/hdc7: not mounted [12:59] umount2 ? [12:59] i dunno [12:59] tha'ts what it says [12:59] um... [01:00] are you /positive/ the mount package is from Ubuntu? [01:00] yes [01:00] as positive as I can be [01:01] has mount changed since dapper was released [01:01] md5sum /bin/mount [01:01] what do you get? [01:01] 8a9e7dc69cea9add96b314449fcc03f2 /bin/mount [01:01] identical [01:02] is that enough proof? === cbx33 knows not [01:02] should be fine. [01:04] Google reveals only corner cases [01:04] rather unhelpful [01:04] i know [01:05] that's just odd, colour me puzzled [01:05] how about ``mount -o remount,rw /home'' ? [01:06] there's some strange kernel<->mount interaction here. [01:07] "EBUSY: Source is already mounted. Or, it cannot be remounted read-only, because it still holds files open for writing. Or, it cannot be mounted on target because target is still busy (it is the working directory of some task, the mount point of another device, has open files, etc.). Or, it could not be unmounted because it is busy." === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_food [01:07] crimsun, on trying the mount -o line [01:08] mount: /home not mounted already, or bad option [01:08] ok, try replacing "defaults" with "noauto" in /etc/fstab for /home [01:09] reboot, log in as root, then mount /home [01:09] ok [01:13] crimsun, same message [01:14] and nothing's open on /home ? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] that's odd, I'm stumped [01:14] nope [01:14] ok [01:14] #kubuntu [01:14] i just tried mounting with the -f option [01:15] and it mounted [01:15] argh, there was supposed to be a /j before that [01:15] but on closer inspection it didn't mount [01:15] mtab said it was mounted [01:15] but i created a dir [01:16] unmounted, which it complainedabout anyway [01:16] and the dir was still there [01:18] well I'm stumped too [01:18] my plan is to do the following [01:18] move the fedora boot partition out of the extended partition and to a nother parition on the disk with dd === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu [01:18] then remove that extended partition altogether [01:18] and recreate as necessary [01:18] make sense? [01:19] yep [01:20] it's just difficult cos the fedora parition is lvm [01:21] and so I have to modify the fstab cos the boot partition will have moved [01:21] but [01:21] oooh [01:21] no that's ok because [01:21] ah yes === cbx33 gets excited [01:23] gah [01:23] no free sectors === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_food is now known as mhz === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] Heya === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:20] good morning [05:48] hey guys i accidentally activated AliasVegas' membership without noticing she hasn't singed the CoC so I deactivated it first but left a message that will activate it again once the CoC is signed and just ping us in case to turn it on again, sorry for the CoC-up job =) [05:51] lol [05:51] @ the last bit [05:51] =) [06:26] yeah, I thought cbx33 was going to do that === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:55] LaserJock: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/udsparis2006/800_PICT0325 [06:55] nice! [06:55] yeah [06:57] who says nerds don't have fun :-) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [07:04] hehe, good night cbx33 ;-) [07:04] nn Laser_away === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [09:04] hey highvoltage === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has joined #edubuntu [09:40] hey jsgotangco [10:13] highvoltage: hey, thanks for the pics [10:13] ive taken the liberty to add them in the wiki page === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:19] mornin all [10:24] jsgotangco: thanks, i've been meaning to do that [10:24] morning cbx33 [10:24] those are nice pics you got a nice camera === jsgotangco loves looking at pictures [10:24] hi highvoltage [10:24] hi jsgotangco [10:24] cbx33: hey [10:25] cbx33 [10:25] cbx33: sorry i had to deactivate lisa's account...i just noticed that the CoC hasn't been signed yet, i kknow you understand [10:25] jsgotangco: fine [10:25] it was a good call, thanks for that jsgotangco [10:26] hello all [10:26] hey RobinShepheard [10:26] hey RobinShepheard [10:27] how is everybody?? [10:27] yeh good [10:28] sweet, any news on BETT?? [10:28] not yet [10:28] have to really wait for richardW to start === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-253-223.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [10:29] highvoltage: you busy or can i pm you? [10:29] richardw?? [10:29] the program manager [10:29] jsgotangco: sure [10:29] (you can pm me) [10:29] ahh ok I got you === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] cbx33, poke? :) === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AFFF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:29] hi pygi [11:29] I can create two different gpg kleys on the same machine can't I? [11:30] yup [11:30] yes [11:30] so you can have like two secret keys on one machine [11:30] ok cool [11:30] yeah [11:30] cbx33, why shall I respond your questions after that what happened yesterday? :P [11:30] you can just move one of the keys in the future in another box if you want to === pygi nods === jsgotangco loves the simplicity of gpg yet it is such a complex app [11:32] ok [11:32] pygi: I apologise [11:32] cbx33, lol :) [11:32] I'll make a public apology at the next meeting [11:32] cbx33, no need really :) [11:32] :p === pygi is just joking around :) [11:32] i know [11:32] you poked? [11:32] yup :) [11:32] http://static.flickr.com/67/183203477_919e9a6c56_o.png [11:32] :) [11:33] (there is new one, with spelling error fixed :P) [11:33] sec [11:33] photo unavailable [11:33] http://static.flickr.com/55/183210781_c6344e968e_o.png [11:33] now? [11:33] wow me likey [11:33] inkscape? [11:34] Xara this is I think [11:34] whats that for ? a route planner app ? [11:34] for my homepage :P [11:34] someone did it for you? [11:34] yup, one of the artists I told you and Lisa about yesterday [11:34] ah cool [11:35] one thing I'd mention [11:35] wow that is nice [11:35] would be nice if the enlarged view had dotted lines [11:36] cbx33, right, but this is good as well :P [11:36] No need to bother people :P [11:36] true [11:36] looks great [11:37] :) [11:38] http://globaly.org/wordpress/ [11:38] find the search function :P [11:38] anyone in here know anything about the repositories having to do with unrar [11:38] Zaire, uh, what do you mean by that? [11:39] the non-free unrar (more fully featured) is called unrar in multiverse. [11:39] I have unrar but there are repositories that need to be added [11:39] I have unrar-free [11:39] like what? === pygi doesn't really get it :P [11:39] pick one of unrar-free or unrar. [11:40] but it doesn't work when I go to unrar a file it says bash command not found [11:40] not found? methink you have larger issues. === pygi agrees ^_^ [11:40] dunno but its irritating [11:41] crimsun, try to do complete removal [11:41] well one other odd thing is I got vlc through apt and its not showing in media either [11:42] I can still run it though [11:43] is there any other program that can be used with rar files? [11:45] healot and a few other basically said to me if Im not ready to switch to linux to go back to windows and theres no way in hell Im doing that now [11:48] well either way its starting to look like Im on my own now [11:49] ooh nice splash [11:52] well I'm setting up lisas pgp key [11:52] but I can't get it to submit to a keyserver because I'm behind a firewall here [11:52] sure you can [11:53] how? [11:53] http fomrs just seem to timeout [11:53] all keyservers have a webinterface where you can copy/paste the app armored key [11:53] yeh it never completes [11:53] and the searches don;'t complete either [11:53] can you see if you can find her [11:53] lisa savage [11:54] try http://keyserver.mine.nu/ [11:54] see at the bottom ... [11:54] h ok [11:54] looks faster [11:54] and make sure to really have an app amored export [11:54] will this be ok for LP? [11:54] sure [11:54] pub 1024D/AA913353 2000-02-10 Lisa Savage [11:54] ? [11:54] ogra: I ran gpg --armour --export [11:54] is that ok [11:54] jsgotangco: that's not it [11:54] yeah [11:54] once its on the keyerver it should be fine ... [11:55] 2000 [11:55] heh [11:55] ok === cbx33 tries again [11:55] cbx33, --armor, not french love :) [11:55] hmm [11:55] ok [11:55] i have an abandoned key === jsgotangco forgot about this [11:56] cbx33, other option is to install gpa and try that, seemed to work for me [11:56] ogra: ok i ran it again with armor and it gave me back the same key [11:56] is that ok? [11:56] lloks like they catered for spelling mistakes [11:57] I just ram it without armour and got garbage === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:57] cbx33, what is the key id?? [11:57] http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/gpg-party.html [11:57] woot works [11:58] http://keyserver.mine.nu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xCEEC46F0DB66AD77 [11:58] right ? [11:58] pub 1024D/DB66AD77 2006-07-06 Lisa Savage (Work Key) [11:58] up [11:58] yup [11:58] :D [11:58] good [11:59] ok I'll have to sort that out when I get home [12:00] unfortunately she uses a windows system most of the time as she needs fireworks/dreamweaver [12:00] and she currently uses outlook express [12:00] I plan to install thunderbird tonight [12:00] and setup gpg [12:00] great :) [12:00] cos otherwise LP won't be able to verify the key [12:01] and hence can't sign the CoC [12:01] LP will verify the key against the keyserver [12:01] yes [12:01] but they send you an encrypted email [12:01] oh, thats new :) [12:02] if now I wanted to transfer her secret key to another computer [12:02] what would I do? === ogra signed his CoC before LP existed [12:02] heh [12:02] ogra: by fax? ;) [12:03] highvoltage, nah, by mail sent to mako :) [12:03] heh [12:03] how do I move her key? [12:03] i sent it via fax before hahaha [12:04] cbx33: move? you mean move to another machine export it [12:04] yes [12:04] does export export the secrect key [12:04] if you indicate so [12:05] ok i think i found it here [12:05] gpg --export-key (thekey) > mykeyfile.gpg gpg --export-secret-key (thekey) >> mykeyfile.gpg [12:05] then import [12:05] gpg --import mykeyfile.gpg [12:05] profit [12:06] profit? [12:06] i think i sent it by fax to mako too, but not sure if he received it, i didn't get a response back. that was like, just before LP though. [12:06] its also helpful to burn it to a CD and lock that somewhere [12:06] ok [12:06]