[12:20] <Riddell> Lure: word is you have to be in ubuntu-qa to be able to edit Importance
[12:21] <raphink> hi Riddell
[12:21] <raphink> && hi kwwi && pygi
[12:22] <pygi> raphink, :)
[12:22] <pygi> hey
[12:22] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[12:22] <pygi> what's up raphink ?
[12:22] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so I cannot change as I am not devel...
[12:22] <Lure> hi raphink
[12:23] <raphink> hi Lure
[12:23] <raphink> pygi: not much... work ;)
[12:23] <pygi> raphink, that's always nice :)
[12:24] <raphink> pygi: hmm quite
[12:49] <mdz> mornfall: can the code be shared between update-manager and adept-updater to perform the dist-upgrade?
[02:05] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: Dood!
[02:05] <lnxkde> sup?
[02:05] <DaSkreech> Nothing much :) How's the great Edgy KDE4 Doc project going?
[02:11] <lnxkde> bah
[02:11] <lnxkde> I dont have time right now..
[02:11] <lnxkde> I think I will stall my linux testing and developing dream from 2 years from now.
[02:12] <lnxkde> I have to comint to my girlfriend and my bussiness
[02:12] <lnxkde> I have to start doing things right on that then I will be able to have fun 
[02:13] <lnxkde> I even have to install windows on my system so I can get some work done
[02:14] <Riddell> what's the business?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> ha ha :) What makes that necessary?
[02:17] <lnxkde> I sell insurance and stocks
[02:18] <DaSkreech> for a pyramid place?
[02:19] <lnxkde> how can a piramid sale that.... pyramids sales cosmetics and things like that you think citigroup will own a piramid bussines 
[02:19] <lnxkde> I have to get licences from the federal goverment to sell socts...
[02:19] <lnxkde> stocks
[02:19] <lnxkde> well actually mutual funds stocks
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Right Citigroup!! Don't they have a Pyramid as the logo?
[02:19] <lnxkde> lol
[02:19] <lnxkde> a umbrella
[02:19] <lnxkde> lol
[02:19] <DaSkreech> Ok :-)
[02:20] <DaSkreech> I rememberd it was fininacial at least ;-)
[02:20] <Riddell> lnxkde: so, should I buy Standard Life shares or not, with a 5% discount and extra 5% after 1 year?
[02:20] <abattoir> lol
[02:20] <lnxkde> holly shit
[02:20] <DaSkreech> So what were tyou thinking getting money and a relationship at the start of a linux project?? Didn't you read the handout?
[02:21] <abattoir> lnxkde: how much do you charge for a consult? ;) 
[02:21] <lnxkde> we charche for the services
[02:21] <DaSkreech> open source consultancy. We all get a say in how Riddell throws awa... *cough cough* invests his money
[02:22] <Riddell> yep
[02:22] <Riddell> trouble is the deadline was this morning, and they sent back my form at midday saying it wasn't signed
[02:22] <Riddell> which is a fair complaint I guess
[02:22] <lnxkde> DaSkreech : I just dont have time for starting a linux project I am working as hell 
[02:23] <lnxkde> and free time is for my gf
[02:23] <lnxkde> and church
[02:23] <crimsun> I think your priorities are screwed :p
[02:23] <RadiantFire> i don't
[02:23] <lnxkde> lol
[02:23] <crimsun> gf + church first and foremost, work below
[02:23] <crimsun> work is never as important as people affected by work
[02:23] <abattoir> lnxkde: US stocks?
[02:24] <lnxkde> also intenational ones
[02:24] <lnxkde> but they are mutual funds
[02:24] <Riddell> lnxkde: like Standard Life!
[02:25] <lnxkde> Standar life are mutual funds?
[02:25] <Riddell> lnxkde: well they were Europe's largest until 10:00 this morning
[02:25] <lnxkde> nice
[02:25] <Riddell> when they demutualised
[02:25] <lnxkde> you buy lot of stocks?
[02:26] <Riddell> nope, never have done before
[02:26] <abattoir> lnxkde: looking for trans-continental customers :P 
[02:26] <Riddell> but since they asked me it seemed like a fun opportunity
[02:27] <lnxkde> na I dont get that kind of licence :(
[02:27] <lnxkde> I just can make bussines in US
[02:27] <lnxkde> but well I am just starting I dont thing I will go out of Puerto Rico to sell stocks in a wile...
[02:31] <lnxkde> crimsun : true I work as hell now to get my bussines running as soon the business is running o will have my time free and the money to get maried and time to devote my life and go on missions and things like that that I am working for.
[02:31] <crimsun> of course :)
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Sooooo it's a KDE5 project then?
[02:32] <lnxkde> lol basicly
[02:32] <RadiantFire> oooh, planning for 5 already? :-D
[02:33] <lnxkde> linux and pcs are just my hobbys and the way I get organized for my things
[02:33] <lnxkde> also my media center
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah we can promise you now 3d Sense enhanced holographic backgrounds with plants so real you can live off the holographic fruit they grow
[02:34] <RadiantFire> sexy
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Wait... Sorry I was reading off of a Sony Sheet
[02:34] <abattoir> heh
[02:34] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: So still going to blog
[02:35] <lnxkde> dont know.
[02:36] <lnxkde> :)
[02:37] <lnxkde> well my GF is here time to go and eat 
[02:37] <lnxkde> wendys time
[02:37] <lnxkde> I hope I dont get fater with the burgers....
[02:37] <RadiantFire> enjoy
[02:37] <lnxkde> see ya laterz I will be back in some hrs to sell you all mutual funds :p
[02:38] <RadiantFire> k
[02:38] <DaSkreech> ha ha later man
[02:39] <DaSkreech> Riddell: You have a /usr/lib/cyrpto Folder?
[02:42] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nope
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Drat
[02:48] <Riddell> why?
[02:54] <DaSkreech> trying to figure out something with strigi. Ah well back to java
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Night
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hobbsee!! :)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Why are you dead?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: maybe not dead.  i was mostly dead.
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Why?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: got home late
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Oh Right. How late?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> 1.30am or so
[04:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: !!!!!!!!!!11111111
[04:04] <imbrandon> lol
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon!!!!
[04:05] <imbrandon> hows it goin gurl, been on diff scedules last few days ( july 4th parties arround here ;P )
[04:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fun, ajmitch_ is here :)
[04:05] <imbrandon> nice , tell him i say "hi"
[04:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: we've been meeting up with interesting people.
[04:05] <imbrandon> hahah i bet
[04:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he's pinched my connection, he should be here in a second...
[04:06] <imbrandon> omg i was helping a person from #kubuntu in priv chat and they said something that was wayyyyy to funny, thought you would like it, hold on lemme find the log
[04:07] <Hobbsee> k
[04:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i did a podcast.
[04:07] <imbrandon> NICE, you whith who ? see now you HAVE to be on my show
[04:07] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch_
[04:08] <imbrandon> ahh found it .....
[04:08] <imbrandon> [Wed Jul 5 2006]  [18:40:49]  <imbrandon> exactly
[04:08] <imbrandon> [Wed Jul 5 2006]  [18:42:26]  <omglazers> Ok
[04:08] <imbrandon> [Wed Jul 5 2006]  [18:42:27]  <omglazers> See?
[04:08] <imbrandon> [Wed Jul 5 2006]  [18:42:33]  <omglazers> My vagina doesnt make me completely retarded
[04:08] <imbrandon> [Wed Jul 5 2006]  [18:42:37]  <imbrandon> hahah
[04:08] <imbrandon> ^^ i had no idea she was a she till she said that LOL
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[04:08] <imbrandon> i was ong Hobbsee would kill this person 
[04:09] <imbrandon> omg*
[04:09] <Hobbsee> no, probably not.  i havent killed anyone yet.
[04:09] <imbrandon> lol
[04:09] <Hobbsee> mind you, i have kicked a few people.
[04:09] <imbrandon> heh i was in a priv chat helping them partition a drive 
[04:10] <imbrandon> no idea she was a chick till that, then i was kinda like wtf does that matter after the initial shock ;)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> exactly
[04:10] <imbrandon> anyhow ajmitch_ how ya likin sydney so far ;)
[04:10] <imbrandon> you just get there today ?
[04:11] <ajmitch_> no, just leaving today
[04:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, i get rid of him today :P
[04:11] <ajmitch_> it's been ok
[04:11] <imbrandon> erm i guess we should be in offtopic or soemthing lol
[04:11] <ajmitch_> full of weird people though
[04:11] <imbrandon> ahh ok ;)
[04:11] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:11] <Hobbsee> yes.  we're weird.  and i'm coming to eat you!!!!
[04:11] <ajmitch_> um
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:12] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: I'm not entirely sure
[04:12] <imbrandon> heh
[04:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i can only eat people when they're near me - unless i have a very long lassoo to bring them over.
[04:12] <imbrandon> heh true
[04:13] <ajmitch_> hence why I leave sydney today
[04:13] <imbrandon> lol @ ajmitch_
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:13] <imbrandon> hahaha
[04:13] <ajmitch_> imbrandon: secretly? :)
[04:14] <imbrandon> yea , shhhh dont let anyone know , oh wait ..... doh
[04:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i got it.  and you have a whole lot of merging
[04:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:18] <ajmitch_> poor uploaders
[04:19] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: I helped someone like that today :0
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_: you guys will cope :P
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Does anyone have a /usr/lib/cyrpto folder?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: why?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:21] <DaSkreech> I need to know what's in it
[04:21] <RadiantFire> no
[04:22] <RadiantFire> I just have a bunch of libcrypt libraries
[04:25] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: easy enough to check what package it's from
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya folks
[04:25] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:25] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:25] <DaSkreech> search for Crypto?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: use the file search, and search for the file path.
[04:25] <DaSkreech> or /usr/lib/crypto
[04:25] <Hobbsee> on p.u.c
[04:26] <DaSkreech> I never saw that before
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Erm.. Ok
[04:30] <DaSkreech> I either get no hits or (I can only assume) every package made
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Hi nixternal
[04:32] <nixternal> hi DaSkreech
[04:32] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Where are they?
[04:32] <RadiantFire> they are in /usr/lib
[04:32] <nixternal> ice cream time ;)
[04:32] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Which Package did they come from?
[04:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You too?
[04:32] <RadiantFire> sigh, now i have to install apt-file or w/e
[04:33] <RadiantFire> the things I do for you ;-)
[04:33] <RadiantFire> the cache is updating, just a sec
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Dude I just learnt about apt-zip. Apt es 1337!
[04:38] <lnxkde> back
[04:39] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[04:39] <DaSkreech>  I was just typing I wonder where lnxkde went
[04:39] <lnxkde> wendys and got a potato and some nugets and chicken crisp sandwich
[04:40] <RadiantFire> sigh, apt-file is being stupid
[04:40] <RadiantFire> mmm, I enjoy wendy's
[04:40] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: You could use p.u.c :)
[04:40] <RadiantFire> i'm gonna get chubby if I keep going to fast food
[04:40] <RadiantFire> p.u.c.?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> RadiantFire: packages.u.c
[04:40] <Hobbsee> nto planet.u.c
[04:40] <RadiantFire> er, okk
[04:41] <lnxkde> then I drove my girl friend talking about things around the city and then back to my home and we and my sister played with my little toy puddlea and then my gf when home and I am here in my PC :D
[04:41] <DaSkreech> the second search engine
[04:41] <lnxkde> puc ??
[04:41] <DaSkreech> You have a toy puddle?
[04:41] <lnxkde> yep
[04:41] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: it is from libc6-dev
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Maybe you need to work on your business :-)
[04:41] <lnxkde> lol
[04:41] <RadiantFire> and....
[04:41] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Oh Bloody!! :(
[04:42] <RadiantFire> there is another one I'm trying to find out
[04:42] <RadiantFire> but I think konsole just froze
[04:42] <RadiantFire> which I have never seen before
[04:43] <RadiantFire> er, /usr/lib/libcrypto.so is from libssl0.9.7-dbg
[04:43] <DaSkreech> I think I have that
[04:44] <RadiantFire> and libk5crypto is from libkrb53
[04:44] <DaSkreech> But no crypto folder?
[04:44] <RadiantFire> nope
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm Ok
[04:45] <lnxkde> DaSkreech why you dont start a edgy KDEsvn project your self?
[04:45] <RadiantFire> apt-file didn't return any hits for /usr/lib/crypto
[04:45] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: No time right now :) I will when things calm down
[04:46] <lnxkde> I see
[04:46] <DaSkreech> And I'll blog it as comments on your site! Muwahahahaha
[04:46] <lnxkde> :P
[04:46] <lnxkde> ydid you readed my blog lately?
[04:47] <DaSkreech>  Yeah :)
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Every two or so days
[04:47] <lnxkde> i have to change the fonts 
[04:48] <lnxkde> you saw what I did about installing kubuntu and setting it up like I have it for medi ause?
[04:48] <lnxkde> what did you think?
[04:56] <RadiantFire> media use in what sense
[04:58] <lnxkde> lnxkde.blogspot.com
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Oh Yeah :)
[05:02] <DaSkreech>  Just need two monitors now :)
[05:05] <lnxkde> why?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> For Media :)
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Doh
[06:32] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: You are Sanke?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Snake?
[06:32] <imbrandon> no i was messing with him
[06:32] <imbrandon> he /ghosted me ;)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> So you are Ocelot?
[06:32] <imbrandon> who ?
[06:32] <imbrandon> no
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Ah not a Hideo fan I see :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: He knows your password I take it?
[06:39] <crimsun> (no, snake is his registered nick, not imbrandon's)
[06:43] <bddebian> Oh sure, now you show up when I need to go to bed crimsun :-)
[06:44] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: no no snake is a friend in -offtopic that i was messing with and got on his name, then he /ghosted me, no one knows my passwd , pluss i change it often ;)
[06:45] <imbrandon> it was a joke in -offtopic but i should have probbly left my other chans before doing aas to not confuse others
[06:45] <imbrandon> sorry ;)
[06:46] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:46] <imbrandon> doh gone
[07:28] <crimsun> moin raphink 
[07:28] <raphink> hi crimsun :)
[07:29] <raphink> how are you crimsun?
[07:40] <crimsun> raphink: n'bad, yourself?
[07:41] <crimsun> eek, icky girl
[07:41] <Hobbsee> yep.
[07:42] <crimsun> well gosh, I'm burnt and dead.
[07:45] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[07:45] <raphink> crimsun: I'm good, just woke up
[07:45] <crimsun> excellent
[07:47] <Hobbsee> in a bit.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> not yet.
[07:47] <raphink> Hobbsee: for what?
[07:47] <crimsun> heh, you're in luck. You have two core-dev alive n' kickin'
[07:47] <Hobbsee> raphink: ah, knights.  not yet though - i've just discovered that it's built.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:47] <Hobbsee> it's not in main
[07:47] <DaSkreech> crimsun: She just ax murdered you I saw it
[07:48] <raphink> ok
[07:48] <DaSkreech> That's one core-dev
[07:48] <crimsun> DaSkreech: undead, too.
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Undead don't kick. It's in the Book Of Ash
[07:49] <DaSkreech> And don't bring up that you were burnt either :-P :-)
[07:49] <crimsun> DaSkreech: we sound kids are invuln.
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Oh good. 
[07:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:14] <Hobbsee> raphink: ping?
[08:14] <raphink> pong
[08:15] <raphink> is ping the new command to upload packages?
[08:15] <imbrandon> LOL
[08:15] <raphink> hi imbrandon
[08:15] <Hobbsee> raphink: hehe
[08:15] <imbrandon> heya raphink
[08:15] <DaSkreech> i think I screwed up KMplayer by switching it to theMPlayer engine
[08:15] <Hobbsee> raphink: sort of.  i'm about to ask for a sync as well, but i'll just sanity check the debian version first
[08:15] <Hobbsee> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2614  .orig.tar.gz is at....
[08:16] <Hobbsee> http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/knights/knights_0.6.orig.tar.gz
[08:16] <Hobbsee> there ^
[08:16] <raphink> Hobbsee: can you send that to me by email and I'll review it later?
[08:16] <raphink> cause I have to get prepared to go to work now
[08:16] <Hobbsee> raphink: sure, or i can poke someone else to upload if you want
[08:16] <Hobbsee> raphink: seeing as i'll have many in the future, most likely :P
[08:17] <raphink> hehe
[08:17] <raphink> as you want :)
[08:17] <Hobbsee> crimsun: want to upload something fo rme, if you're around?
[08:18] <crimsun> I'm around, but I can't upload, remember?
[08:18] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure the daemon is just down
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Umm ok
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Nickserv accepted my assword
[08:18] <crimsun> ubuntu-archive just needs to dropkick/restart it
[08:18] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh yeah. 
[08:19] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what's with nickserv?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> It sent me a message that my assword was accepted
[08:19] <Hobbsee> doesnt it usually do that?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> crimsun: was that to revu or to the archives?
[08:19] <raphink> yes it does
[08:19] <raphink> always
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Well I talk out of my ass sometimes but I didn't know that Nickserv listend much less accepted that kind of thing
[08:20] <Hobbsee> ah right
[08:20] <crimsun> Hobbsee: that was to upload.ubuntu.com
[08:20] <DaSkreech> I suppose something got lost in the translation 
[08:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah
[08:21] <crimsun> I'll just merge nas in the meantime.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh, true, no errors that way?
[08:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, i might be requesting a merge, if i can check this silly package, if that's okay by you
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Much less. I can design much better when I'm awake but I get loads of errors
[08:24] <Hobbsee> wow
[08:24] <DaSkreech> When I'm Tired I can't think of anythign new but the code just flows
[08:25] <Hobbsee> yep
[08:25] <DaSkreech>  Next week
[08:26] <imbrandon> keyboards make good pillows
[08:26] <imbrandon> just leave key marks on your face
[08:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sure
[08:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: the .orig.tar.gz seemed to lose a bit of weight somewhere.  how inconvenient.
[08:27] <crimsun> network issues :/
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ah, now it's being nice.
[08:41] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it's working now?
[08:41] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes, Scott poked it.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, cool :)  this poke is for an upload and a sync request :)
[08:43] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, have you filed the sync request (if so, what bug#)?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no, i thought a MOTU had to file it, with an elite script :P
[08:43] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no, you can file it; a dev just needs to Ok it
[08:43] <crimsun> do you have the procedure?
[08:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah, no, i've only ever had motu's and whatever file the bugs with a script before.
[08:45] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok. Basically, file a bug against the source package. Entitle it "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync source_package version from Debian Sid", and in the text of the report, place a link to the MoM REPORT, and say it's ok to override Ubuntu changes.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: gotcha
[08:46] <crimsun> Hobbsee: then let a MOTU know the bug #, we'll Ok it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[08:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: okay, cool
[09:06] <crimsun> out for coffee (15 mins)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: enjoy
[09:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: done, thanks :)
[09:23] <crimsun> np
[09:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: now i just need an uploader for both.  will look to see if anyone's interested.
[09:23] <crimsun> URLs?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2614 and the other one hasnt hit REVU yet
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hi raphink 
[09:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: what was the ubuntu change before?
[09:26] <raphink> re Hobbsee
[09:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: or do we need just a sync?
[09:26] <raphink> hi \sh
[09:26] <\sh> moins raphink
[09:26] <Hobbsee> \sh: for which?
[09:26] <raphink> haven't seen thomas yet
[09:27] <\sh> Hobbsee: knights
[09:27] <Hobbsee> \sh: ah, no, needs to be a merge to keep the dh_iconcache stuff in there.
[09:27] <\sh> Hobbsee: ah ok :)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> \sh: seeing as it uses debhelper, not cdbs
[09:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: and you need a sponsor?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> \sh: were you itching to get out your upload fingers?  you can do knmap if you want
[09:28] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, not sure if crimsun's already doing it
[09:28] <crimsun> knights is done.
[09:29] <crimsun> have not done knmap.
[09:29] <\sh> raphink: try the phone :) +49/221/470-5303
[09:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: url?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thankyou :)
[09:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2616
[09:30] <\sh> I'll do knmap
[09:31] <raphink> \sh: thanks
[09:31] <Hobbsee> \sh: thankyou :)
[09:33] <\sh> Hobbsee: knmap uses cdbs
[09:33] <raphink> \sh: even the phone he doesn't answer... so I'll have to wait I guess ;)
[09:34] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes.  
[09:34] <raphink> I'm on 
[09:34] <\sh> Hobbsee: is dh_iconcache not included into cdbs?
[09:34] <raphink> I'm on #fai anyways so if he comes I'll see him
[09:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: and?  it is.  and it's included in the package too.  it really should be a sync, but cant be, as the debian and ubuntu .orig.tar.gz have different sizes.
[09:35] <\sh> Hobbsee: argl...
[09:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, *exactly*. 
[09:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: want the explanation that i've gathered so far?
[09:36] <\sh> Hobbsee: the package was first in ubuntu, and debian used another orig.tar.gz then we used
[09:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: that's the one.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> it really is the debian stuff packaged around our .orig.tar.gz, if that makes sense.
[09:46] <raphink> \sh: do you know of any bug with symlinks with cfengine 2.1.20 ?
[09:47] <raphink> it seems cfengine2 follows one link and then fails to follow the next ones
[09:53] <\sh> Hobbsee: knmap accepted
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Ho Hobbsee
[10:00] <Hobbsee> heyaa
[10:00] <Hobbsee> machine froze.
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Did someone empty RestrictedFormats?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: not a clue.  unlikely though
[10:10] <Hobbsee> \sh: did what i did make sense?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> \sh: excellent, thanks.
[10:13] <\sh> Hobbsee: send the url via jabber pls...because I'm heavily in work mode 
[10:14] <Hobbsee> \sh: sure.  did you want me to find someone else to do it?
[10:14] <\sh> Hobbsee: no..I'm doing it dring a bit of free time  between one and another boot :)
[10:14] <\sh> s/dring/during/
[10:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:24] <freeflying|away> \sh: hi
[10:26] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying 
[10:27] <imbrandon> heya freeflying
[10:27] <freeflying> Hobbsee: imbrandon hi
[10:34] <\sh> moins freeflying
[10:41] <freeflying> \sh: can you review some packages for me, it's the first time into ubuntu
[11:34] <seaLne> woot kubuntu tshirts have arrived unfortunatly i haven't finished the website to sell them
[11:35] <Hobbsee> seaLne: nice!
[11:36] <Riddelll> seaLne: how many?  what do they look like?
[11:37] <seaLne> 50
[11:37] <seaLne> white on blue
[11:37] <seaLne> i'll take a photo in a minute
[11:44] <Hobbsee> hi Riddelll.  Sivan was after you earlier
[11:44] <imbrandon> moins seaLne and Riddell
[11:50] <Hobbsee> ping jpatrick when he comes in please
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Hooray we have already started to attract 31137 "helpers" in the support channel 
[11:51] <seaLne> not a great photo: http://www2.duffus.org/kubuntutshirt.jpg
[11:52] <apokryphos> nice!
[11:53] <apokryphos> not kubuntu-blue though :P
[11:53] <seaLne> it is far better than royal blue
[11:53] <seaLne> the colour is actually a bit off in that photo
[11:54] <Riddelll> lovely
[11:56] <seaLne> once i confirm the weight of them i think they will be 15 including delivery
[11:56] <Riddelll> \sh: "PyQt4 entered Debian/Sid today"
[11:56] <imbrandon> nice seaLne i'll buy one or two
[11:57] <imbrandon> probbly one ;)
[11:57] <Riddelll> I wonder if I can get canonical to buy some for expos
[12:00] <Riddelll> Hobbsee is doing a top number of merges :)
[12:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: hehe
[12:04] <imbrandon> sendq ?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: i looked at this list, and went "hey, i'm not on there enough.  that sucks"
[12:04] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: which list?
[12:04] <imbrandon> edgy-changes ;)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html - anything else is out of date.  but yeah, edgychanges
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: did you hear that i did a podcast thing last night?
[12:05] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: I did, is it available yet?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: i doubt it.  jdub went to sleep after we left.
[12:05] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: shall I just get rid of the universe table at KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: that'd be smart, yeah
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: and main, etc
[12:06] <imbrandon> Riddelll: yea
[12:06] <imbrandon> its outdated
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: what we're really needing is universe uploaders - that's where packages get stuck
[12:06] <Riddelll> I'll keep main, I think it's nice to have all the KDE packages in one place
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: that is true.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: they're also duplicated on merges.u.c/main.htm
[12:07] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: got stuff for me to upload?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: ah, sure, let me run it thru lintian to check that it didnt die.
[12:07] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: did you have a big .au meetup then?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: oh yeah, sorta.  and i had my parents extremely angry at me :P
[12:08] <Riddelll> for meeting people from the internet?
[12:08] <imbrandon> Riddelll: are files like ... C* player/app/gtk/po/de.mo <--- binary is why they couldent be merged? and we should keep ours right since they are translation files ?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: for getting home too late :P
[12:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: check the dates, and keep the latest, usually :P
[12:09] <Riddelll> imbrandon: those shouldn't be in the source, they're created on compling
[12:09] <imbrandon> k
[12:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, they get removed in clean, but keep the later ones
[12:09] <imbrandon> hrm so just rm -rf the po/* ?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: i met stevenk, ajmitch, yagisan, pia waugh, and jdub.
[12:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:10] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: any photos?  any blogs?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: photos of me looking evil, yes.  they need doctoring
[12:10] <Riddelll> imbrandon: keep the .po files
[12:11] <imbrandon> k
[12:11] <Hobbsee> right..
[12:12] <Hobbsee> bad irssi.  go away.
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: you really want pictures?
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2618
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: the .orig.tar.gz is at http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/kover/kover_2.9.6.orig.tar.gz
[12:14] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: of course
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: if you could upload that, that'd be really cool :)
[12:14] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: checking kover now
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/photos/hobbsee_ajmitch-030706/
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: i dont have red eyes.  really.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: it's just really really bad red eye from the cameras, which i havent modified yet.
[12:15] <imbrandon> heh
[12:15] <imbrandon> devil motu 
[12:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:16] <imbrandon> devil kcc
[12:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:16] <Hobbsee> dinner
[12:16] <Riddelll> yet...
[12:17] <Riddelll> who's the dude that isn't ajmitch?
[12:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: stevenk
[12:17] <Hobbsee> ie, Steve Kowalik
[12:17] <seaLne> and which one is ajmitch?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> seaLne: guy on the left
[12:18] <Riddelll> on our left
[12:18] <seaLne> stage right?
[12:18] <Riddelll> yes
[12:18] <Hobbsee> yeah, our left
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: yes.  yet.  you think i should go for it at some point?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> (it being motu)
[12:20] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: I don't know, that's why I'm looking over your work now :)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:20] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[12:20] <Riddelll> I don't think I've reviewed anything from you yet
[12:20] <Hobbsee> hehe.  you may not have, come to think of it.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> it's hardly like we're on the same timezone.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: if you're around, i'll poke you to upload more of my stuff - there's certainly plenty of it to share :P
[12:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:21] <imbrandon> uht oh Riddelll run
[12:21] <imbrandon> while you still can
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: oh, you have - you reviewed my kradio, and got asciiquarium working, althougn neither eventually got uploaded
[12:24] <Hobbsee> i'm not scary :P
[12:29] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: kover uploaded
[12:29] <imbrandon> ohh wth i have YET to get merger-buildpackage to work
[12:29] <imbrandon> grr
[12:29] <Riddelll> imbrandon:  what's that?
[12:30] <imbrandon> some script from merge.u.c
[12:30] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: probably worth sending that dh_iconcache change to the debian packager to see if they'll include it
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: they hadnt accepted it in the cdbs source, i'd heard, so i doubt they'd do it for any pacakage as such.  
[12:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: use it from the source dir
[12:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ie, ../merge-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[12:54] <Hobbsee> works a charm
[12:54] <Hobbsee> use the ../merge-genchanges afterwards - you need the .dsc
[12:55] <imbrandon> k
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: is the rest of it right?
[12:55] <imbrandon> i think i'm gonna take a nap and wake up fresh to try to catchup with the machine Hobbsee is ;)
[01:01] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: the cdbs maintainers will (may) be very different from the kover maintainer
[01:01] <Riddelll> I know nothing about merge-buildpackage
[01:02] <imbrandon> yea that fixed me up just wasent using the -rfakeroot, stupid mistake, thats why i need a nap, see you all in about 2 hours ;)
[01:06] <freeflying|away> seaLne: ping
[01:07] <freeflying|away> seaLne: when will the meeting be tonight? please ping me, thanks
[01:09] <seaLne> freeflying|away: 1900UTC
[01:09] <Riddelll> meeting?
[01:09] <seaLne> behindubuntu
[01:09] <freeflying|away> seaLne: it's mid-night here
[01:09] <Riddelll> oh, cool
[01:10] <freeflying|away> seaLne: so, I may not be 
[01:10] <seaLne> its understandable
[01:10] <seaLne> freeflying|away: did yu add yourself to the mailinglist?
[01:11] <freeflying|away> seaLne: ya
[01:11] <seaLne> k
[01:12] <seaLne> i guess putting the meeting time in the email subject wasn't clear enough :)
[01:13] <freeflying|away> :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: ah okay @ the kover maintainer
[01:24] <Hobbsee> oh, Riddelll - i apologise for if/when i mispronounced you nick :P
[01:24] <Hobbsee> on the podcast that we did last night
[01:25] <DaSkreech> Where is the podcast?
[01:27] <Riddelll> http://www.buntudot.org/ has imbrandon's
[01:28] <Riddelll> I'm assuming it's not top secret
[01:31] <DaSkreech> Argh. Not an Ogg!
[01:31] <\sh> Riddelll: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/52043 you have to subscribe ubuntu-archive for a sync
[01:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52043 in ept "Please sync ept/adept from unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[01:38] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's unedited, i expect.
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Yeah. I'm still grabbing it so I'll see soon
[01:39] <Riddelll> \sh: I'm sure I did
[01:39] <Riddelll> \sh: fixing
[01:42] <Riddelll> \sh: what's the status of ktorrent and konversation merges?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: which version of konv is in sid?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> they'd better not have just gone thru and grabbed a version from cvs.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: from when i last spoke to sho, one of the devs, they were looking to try to get a new release out before edgy feature freeze
[01:43] <Riddelll> 0.19-1.1
[01:43] <Hobbsee> i havent spoken to him in a few months though
[01:44] <Riddelll> yes, that's their plan when I spoke to him
[01:44] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:47] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what?  which?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> ON the podcast
[01:48] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what was it?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> I've Heard People say on irc that they find it much easier cause they can just type, check it over two or three times before they send whereas it's much more difficult to talk to someone in person
[01:49] <DaSkreech> I think I've heard that from you a few times :0
[01:49] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ah yes.  but i'm not such an alien via text, ie, it's not so obvious so quickly, i dotn have to pronounce weird things.  although i usually dont check over what i say first
[01:50] <Hobbsee> wow!  the merge list is going down!  564 for universe!
[01:55] <\sh> Riddelll: going for it now
[01:55] <Hobbsee> oh lovely.  there's a new version of kpowersave out.  i wonder if it's any good.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hey!  it's got kubuntu related stuff in it too!
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: who's the person that knows anything and everything about kpowersave?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> and/or powersave?
[01:59] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: Lure
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: right, thought so.  Lure, ping?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i have a proporsition for you.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> that i think you might like.
[02:15] <\sh> Riddelll: do you want the ktorrent-2.0 beta version or still ktorrent 1.2?
[02:19] <Riddelll> \sh: with ktorrent I think not the beta
[02:19] <\sh> Riddelll: so we just merge the 1.2-1 from debian
[02:22] <Riddelll> \sh: yeah
[02:23] <jjesse> can i ask a simple question, what is the command to sync with an ntp server from the command line?
[02:23] <Riddelll> ntpdate ntp0.linx.net
[02:23] <jjesse> thanks sorry for a little offtopic
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[02:23] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[02:23] <Riddelll> well, more social to use a local ntp server
[02:26] <Hobbsee> what an odd error.  http://pastebin.ca/80451  
[02:32] <Riddelll> an elite alternative to "cd"
[02:32] <Riddelll> I've never found them very useful
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: how do i replace it?  and are you meaning cd in terms of change directory, or something else?
[02:35] <Riddelll> yes, change directory
[02:35] <Riddelll> and just use pushd and popd instead of cd
[02:36] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: they're bash builtins
[02:36] <Riddelll> the maintainer is probably assuming everyone uses bash, which isn't the case
[02:37] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: you'll need to patch that part to use cd
[02:37] <Riddelll> or to build-dep on bash and use bash
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: right, so how would i go about patching it?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> http://pastebin.ca/80463 is the rules file
[02:39] <Riddelll> Hobbsee: is that from debian/
[02:39] <Riddelll> ?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: yep
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: its' kprof
[02:40] <Riddelll> hmm, strange that it should work for debian and not for us then
[02:41] <Riddelll> it doesn't look like pushd is doing very much though
[02:41] <Riddelll> you could probably just remove the pushd and popd bits
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: strange that, if i'm reading these patches right, that it worked in the last ubuntu version, too
[02:45] <Hobbsee> even more strange that MOM was able to build it, too....
[02:51] <Hobbsee> wheee!  looks like some of xlibs broke.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> yep.  x11-common: Conflicts: libxft-dev (<= 2.1.8.2-5) but 2.1.8.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[02:56] <Hobbsee> therefore kdelibs4-dev isnt installable now.  great.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: stupid question, but how do you pin a version of an app in pbuilder?
[03:00] <Riddelll> no idea
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: darn, i thought you migth say that.  it's kinda a pain not to be able to install kdelibs4-dev now.
[03:01] <Riddelll> seems like quite an intelligent question though :)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddelll: hehe
[03:01] <Lure> Hobbsee: pong
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Lure: there's a new upstream of kpowersave & powersave - are you upgrading them / fixing them / etc?  looks like they've got kubuntu related stuff in there too, according to their changelog.
[03:02] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, they have done some minor improvements, but nothing major for us - but we should upgrade still (even if direction for PM is now different for edgy)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Lure: cool.  need testers for that?
[03:03] <Lure> Hobbsee: are you willing to do the sync (our patches are not much anyhow)? Otherwise I can try to do it before vacation next week (but laptop buttons is priority for me)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Lure: the sync?  you werent planning on getting the new upstream, and upgrading to that release?
[03:04] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, I have meant merge
[03:04] <Hobbsee> sure, i'll give it a shot, but it better not build-depend on kdelibs4-dev, otherwise i wont be able to build it.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh, i get confused too, dont worry :P
[03:27] <seaLne> anyone at home and have weighing scales that could tell me roghly how much a tshirt weighs?
[03:28] <Riddelll> I can try
[03:29] <insanekane> seaLne: googled for it ... it around 6.1oz
[03:30] <insanekane> seaLne: thats somewhat heavy it seems
[03:30] <Riddelll> seaLne: an ubuntu t-shirt weighs 220g
[03:33] <jsgotangco> such accuracy!
[03:33] <seaLne> thanks
[03:39] <\sh> ktorrent merged
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:48] <Hobbsee> boo!
[04:15] <DaSkreech> .o0(Stupid vat of acid)
[04:40] <pygi> abattoir, poke? :)
[05:37] <nixternal> moins
[05:38] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[05:38] <nixternal> hiya bddebian
[05:41] <abattoir> pygi: good evening :) 
[05:41] <pygi> abattoir, evenin' :)
[05:42] <pygi> wanted to talk with you a lill', but gotta grab something to eat right now
[05:42] <abattoir> pygi: how may i be of help? ;) 
[05:42] <abattoir> pygi: ok, i'll be around :) 
[06:00] <pygi> abattoir, ok, back :)
[06:01] <toma> bonjour
[06:01] <abattoir> pygi, i'm there :) 
[06:15] <Riddell> uniq: kio-apt uploaded, sorry for the delay
[07:33] <yuriy> Sime: hi
[07:39] <mdz> Riddell: what other sorts of metadata is stored in .desktop files in KDE besides application launchers?
[07:41] <Riddell> mdz: plugins, mp3-install scripts, konsole profiles, konqueror profiles, wallpaper names, almost anything
[07:44] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/tz.png
[07:44] <abattoir> what do you think of the listview on the left?
[07:44] <uniq> riddell: great. thanks. :)
[07:45] <Riddell> abattoir: nice listview, shame about the widget theme and colour scheme :)
[07:46] <abattoir> Riddell: i like baghira and red :P 
[07:46] <abattoir> Riddell: so is this UI ok?
[07:47] <abattoir> other egs. http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/lang.png and http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/key.png
[07:48] <abattoir> and http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/start.png ... in the wrong order :P 
[07:48] <Riddell> abattoir: what happens when you click on an item on the left?
[07:48] <abattoir> Riddell: it goes to that particular widget in the widgetstack
[07:49] <Riddell> abattoir: looks cool then
[07:49] <Riddell> abattoir: although it it very confusing having screenshots in a non-standard theme
[07:49] <abattoir> Riddell: ok sorry...
[07:49] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll give you a fully working(UI-wise) .py file within 2 days
[07:50] <abattoir> Riddell: hopefully w/ the map-widget properly done too
[07:50] <Riddell> abattoir: woo!
[07:50] <Riddell> abattoir: are you stealing my code from ubiquity?
[07:50] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll look at the Ubiquity code for that...
[07:50] <Riddell> cool :)
[07:50] <abattoir> Riddell: no :-\
[07:50] <abattoir> :) 
[07:51] <abattoir> Riddell: one more question, i have to look at Ubiquity, but does the backend give you the coordinates for the Cities in the timezone?
[07:51] <Riddell> abattoir: it gets a big list from debconf
[07:52] <Riddell> abattoir: you'll probably have to ask kamion for more about that
[07:52] <abattoir> Riddell: then i guess i cant do a lot about it till i hear from Kamion again
[07:52] <mdz> Riddell: seems weird to me, but when in Rome...;-)
[07:53] <Riddell> abattoir: he should be online now
[07:53] <abattoir> Riddell: speaking about timezones, one more thing...
[07:53] <abattoir> Riddell: Calcutta is now known as Kolkata, shouldnt that be changed :P
[07:53] <abattoir> or does that come from d-i?
[07:54] <Riddell> abattoir: it comes from d-i
[07:54] <abattoir> Riddell: ok i'll try asking Kamion
[07:54] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks :) 
[08:00] <abattoir> Riddell: any way i can get icons from oxygen in?
[08:00] <abattoir> Riddell: i know there is still a long way to go...
[08:01] <Riddell> abattoir: they're still under a restrictive licence
[08:01] <abattoir> abattoir: because the Crystal Clear Keyboard Layout icon has a Linspire L on it...
[08:01] <abattoir> ok fine then 
[08:03] <Riddell> I'm sure krita or the gimp can turn that into a K quite easily :)
[08:08] <abattoir> Riddell: well, i first thought of blanking it, but then didnt want to mess around w/ someone else's work, irrespective of license...
[08:08] <abattoir> i'll look into it though
[08:10] <abattoir> Riddell: anyway after everything is done, i'll just ask everaldo's permission, as a courtesy...
[08:10] <abattoir> i'm sure he'll say ok
[08:15] <pygi> abattoir, poke? :)
[08:28] <abattoir> pygi: got my mail?
[08:28] <pygi> abattoir, yes ^_^
[08:32] <Sime> yuriy: hi
[08:33] <yuriy> Sime: currently looking into this: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3269 because i need that fixed before i can do some of the settings using regedit
[08:33] <Ubugtu> bugs.winehq.org bug 3269 in wine-tools "regedit doesn't support deleting keys or values based on .reg file" [Normal,New]  
[08:33] <yuriy> but I'd like to move away from using regedit
[08:34] <yuriy> I want to go the route of making a background winelib app to run with the configuration dialog
[08:35] <yuriy> basically kwinedcop but not running all the time
[08:35] <yuriy> so the code is there
[08:35] <yuriy> but i'm not sure how to use it, and i'd need python bindings
[08:35] <Sime> yuriy: that bug has been open for quite some time already. ;-/
[08:36] <Sime> yuriy: it is probably easier to just fix regedit.
[08:36] <yuriy> Sime: yeah, i know, i'm looking through the code and I'll fix it
[08:36] <Sime> yuriy: assuming that the registry API itself actually allows deleting stuff.
[08:36] <Sime> yuriy: cool.
[08:36] <yuriy> but I wanted to move away from using regedit anyways
[08:37] <Sime> yuriy: BTW, I'll be away for a week vacation, begining saturday.
[08:37] <yuriy> since the wine people were pretty adamant about it not being a good way to do things
[08:37] <Sime> yuriy: what else have you been working on?
[08:39] <yuriy> last couple of days not much (independence day and other stuff) but I started making a wizard to initially set up the fake windows drive
[08:39] <yuriy> also the code for changing the windows version
[08:39] <yuriy> which is apparently contained in several registry keys, and different ones for different versions
[08:40] <yuriy> so that's one of the things where i need to be able to delete values
[08:40] <Sime> oh, ok.
[08:40] <pygi> Riddell, poke, you have a sec?
[08:41] <Riddell> pygi: yo
[08:41] <pygi> Riddell, hey :)
[08:41] <Sime> yuriy: have you thought of including a way of testing the sound config? I know that for some people OSS works better, or ALSA etc etc.
[08:41] <yuriy> also, reinstalling stuff onto a new HD so I have space to start using edgy
[08:41] <pygi> Riddell, would WifiRadar kind-of-application help Kubuntu in any way? :)
[08:41] <yuriy> yeah I thought of including that
[08:41] <Riddell> pygi: dunno, what does it do?
[08:41] <yuriy> some other work i need to do on the soundconfig too.
[08:42] <pygi> Riddell, http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/
[08:42] <yuriy> I want to get this wizard done (which includes setting the windows version, that's kinda important, so i need to fix that bug) before moving on to additional features
[08:43] <Riddell> pygi: seems a bit like wlassistant
[08:45] <pygi> Riddell, something simmilar, right
[08:45] <Riddell> pygi: I'd say that KDE doesn't need another wifi programme but for someone to fix the issues with the existing ones
[08:46] <abattoir> pygi: i dont think it goes into the systray
[08:46] <pygi> Riddell, understood ^_^
[08:46] <Sime> yuriy: good. Is a wizard needed for the windows driver? (I think the current packages make the drive automatically the first time you run wine).
[08:48] <yuriy> i need to think about it a little more. i want the user to be able to choose the directory, the windows version. probably most of the other options, probably as an "advanced" branch, otherwise choose defaults.  so that there is no need to go into the config for initial setup.
[08:49] <yuriy> if it's not necessary, then maybe i'll just reduce it to a dialog saying that a drive is being set up with default settings
[08:50] <yuriy> the current packages just sit there for a bit, with some output to stdout, and leave the settings blank
[08:53] <Lure> Riddell: actually we just need somebody to rewrite knetworkconf...
[08:55] <Riddell> Lure: better would be to fix network-manager
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: but n-m will not replace static network config for non-desktop users - we will always need static config in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:56] <Riddell> Lure: that's what needs fixed :)
[08:56] <Lure> or do you expect that n-m would replace knetworkconf some day?
[08:56] <Riddell> that's the ideal
[08:56] <Riddell> but.. who knows
[08:57] <Lure> n-m 0.7 should have static support, but I am not that sure it will be a drop in replacement for knetworkconf
[08:57] <Lure> and I am sure SuSE (authors of knm) will not write us guidance module (as they will do yast2 if any) :-(
[08:57] <Riddell> it shouldn't need one
[08:58] <Lure> people would expect to find it in System Settings and not just on tray, wouldn't they?
[08:59] <pygi> Lure, never trust n-m
[08:59] <Lure> pygi: ;-)
[09:08] <recn>  hey all... have a question about initrd. i need stdin while in initrd.  "tty" tells me im using /dev/console.  tried installing usbcore and usbhid and i still get nothing from my kbd. what am i doing wrong?
[09:12] <pygi> Riddell, I just became aware (abattoir told me :P) that you were talking about the same thing me and him are talking in pm's :)
[09:12] <yuriy> Sime: did you edit setup for the powermanager thing?
[09:13] <Riddell> pygi: I was?  what was that?
[09:13] <pygi> Riddell, well, about the networking
[09:13] <pygi> we were just talking that KDE needs a tool to setup all kind of network connections
[09:14] <Riddell> yes, it does
[09:14] <Riddell> which network-manager should be, but isn't yet
[09:14] <pygi> eh, network-manager isn't really to trust, never
[09:15] <pygi> upstream being not very helpful, and stuff
[09:15] <Riddell> how are they unhelpful?
[09:16] <uniq> network manager works great for me. I really like it.
[09:16] <pygi> they actually refused(not directly tho) to provide any assistance on the issues we faced when packaging/fixing n-m 0.6.2 for dapper
[09:17] <pygi> uniq, it should work great, we worked like a month full-time on that :P
[09:17] <uniq> great work :)
[09:17] <pygi> it still has some problems :(
[09:22] <pygi> Riddell, what's your thoughts? :)
[09:24] <Riddell> I'd be reluctant to support development of any "all new does everything network config" tool since network-manager is faily close to being that tool.  however it's a tricky question whether n-m will be that tool any time soon
[09:25] <pygi> eh
[09:29] <Riddell> robotgeek: 15 days
[09:30] <robotgeek> cool, sept 14th
[09:31] <robotgeek> Riddell: nothing outrageously new, is it?
[09:31] <Riddell> is what?
[09:31] <Riddell> it'll still be KDE 3 :)
[09:32] <robotgeek> oh okay, then all it will take is corrections to version numbers (thank god for entities), and erratas in the previous guide
[09:35] <insanekane> how can i find out the amount of swap space that I have ?
[09:36] <abattoir> insanekane: free ?
[09:36] <insanekane> abattoir: dote! ... yeah you are right ..
[09:36] <insanekane> i have 0 of it :P
[09:38] <insanekane> wow, its amazing this worked even without 1 MB of swap space !
[09:39] <insanekane> in fact, 0 of it
[09:39] <uniq> cat /proc/swaps is nice.
[09:39] <insanekane> uniq: cat /proc/swaps returns nothing
[09:40] <uniq> then you don't have a swap partition enabled.
[09:40] <uniq> check /etc/fstab, and 'fdisk -l'
[09:40] <insanekane> uniq: the fact is, i dont have a swap partition at all
[09:40] <uniq> ok. then i would suggest making a swap file.
[09:40] <insanekane> uniq: yes yes, i did all that ... i just couldn't believe it
[09:41] <insanekane> uniq: swap file ?
[09:41] <uniq> yes.
[09:41] <insanekane> like how ?
[09:42] <robotgeek> mkswap
[09:45] <uniq> like. 'dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count=524288';mkswap swapfile;swapon swapfile
[09:45] <uniq> insanekane: ^^
[09:45] <insanekane> uniq: hehe ... i looked up man mkswap :)
[09:46] <insanekane> uniq: yeah thanks much for your help :)
[09:46] <uniq> you're welcome :)
[09:46] <insanekane> uniq: now if only you were also a PDF/PS expert :)
[09:46] <uniq> what do you need? 
[09:47] <insanekane> uniq: eh, i need help debugging something wierd
[09:47] <uniq> ok. then i'm probably the wrong person. But i could have a look if you want.
[09:47] <insanekane> well, this is the bug report ... https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50771
[09:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50771 in openoffice.org "Malayalam text is cut off at the top and right hand side" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[09:49] <insanekane> uniq: i'm really going nuts with that bug report ... until this morning, when I found out that one of my hard disks was busted. I removed it. The system then booted fine and stuff was working ... but a couple of konqi windows later, things get really really slow. only a few minutes ago did I figure out that I have no swap space :)
[09:49] <insanekane> uniq: its 1am now
[09:50] <insanekane> uniq: oh btw, i am Rajeev, the reporter of that bug report
[09:51] <uniq> looking at the test-pdf now. Can't see anything wrong. Now I don't understand the language.. so i'm making a screenshot for you.. hang on.
[09:51] <insanekane> uniq: well, you need to look closely
[09:51] <insanekane> uniq: at 200-400%
[09:53] <uniq> ok.. http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/pdf-preview.png
[09:54] <insanekane> uniq: ok, i think you need to zoom in to see it
[09:55] <insanekane> uniq: take a look at the screenshots mentioned in the bug report ... they mark what you should look for
[09:56] <uniq> i can see the problem.
[09:56] <uniq> in the screenshot.
[09:56] <uniq> checking locally.
[09:56] <insanekane> uniq: ok ...
[09:57] <uniq> they are cut of.
[09:57] <insanekane> uniq: hmm
[09:57] <insanekane> uniq: so there you have it ... thats my problem :/
[09:57] <uniq> understand.
[09:57] <uniq> you might have to talk to a X.org guru or something. 
[09:57] <insanekane> uniq: thing is, acrobat reader 7 on windows displays and prints this perfectly :/
[09:58] <uniq> oh..
[09:58] <uniq> not X then. KDE
[09:58] <insanekane> and PDF is supposed to print the same way :/
[09:58] <insanekane> not KDE
[09:58] <insanekane> maybe poppler, or freetype even
[09:59] <uniq> tried printing from xpdf? 
[10:01] <uniq> or something else? 
[10:01] <insanekane> uniq: well, use kghostview to view the PDF ... it shows the same problem
[10:01] <insanekane> uniq: also the PDF was produced by OOo ... 
[10:02] <verwilst_> bleh too bad the cli installer is gone from the cd's
[10:02] <verwilst_> ;(
[10:02] <verwilst_> :(
[10:02] <insanekane> uniq: in OOo, instead of producing the PDF, if I try to print directly, the print out shows the problem, but the print preview is perfect :/
[10:03] <uniq> insanekane: hum. 
[10:03] <insanekane> wierd problem :/
[10:03] <zorglu1> from 10000miles, it seems like a font issue in the printer (hw or driver config)
[10:04] <uniq> would that impact print preview in KDE? 
[10:05] <zorglu1> i dunno, but if the ooo preview is ok and not the print...
[10:05] <zorglu1> maybe some ghostscript font
[10:05] <zorglu1> and if kde use ghostcript for the preview and not ooo....
[10:05] <zorglu1> ultra wide guessing here :)
[10:07] <insanekane> no none of that
[10:08] <insanekane> this is not a ghostscript font ..
[10:08] <insanekane> it is a truetype opentype font
[10:08] <zorglu1> so i guess 10000miles was too far to look at it, then :)
[10:08] <insanekane> zorglu1: :)
[10:09] <insanekane> what i dont understand is ... i thought PDF was supposed to be a same-thing-everywhere format
[10:09] <insanekane> so if I see it on screen, i get the same output on paper ... no clipping of glyphs :/
[10:09] <zorglu1> are you sure your pdf do include all the used fonts ?
[10:10] <zorglu1> i guess that sometime the fonts are not saved in the file, to save memory
[10:10] <insanekane> no, nothing like that
[10:10] <insanekane> this very same document worked perfectly even in dapper flight-5
[10:10] <insanekane> as in, i can print it without any clipping
[10:11] <insanekane> zorglu1: the pdf was produced by OOo
[10:14] <uniq> the bug is filed for openoffice.org any clue if that is correct? 
[10:15] <uniq> I can confirm it anyway.
[10:15] <insanekane> uniq: i filed and assigned it to Openoffice.org
[10:15] <insanekane> uniq: as i said, i am Rajeev .. the bug reporter of this bug :)
[10:16] <uniq> I understand. And I was asking you.. in a strange way :)
[10:16] <insanekane> :)
[10:17] <uniq> confirmed.
[10:17] <insanekane> thanks
[11:34] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[11:44] <Riddell> hi Lure 
[11:45] <Lure> Riddell: amarok has global accel, so I suspect we should just patch k-d-s with alternate keys?
[11:45] <Riddell> Lure: yes, sounds like a good idea
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: is there a concept of "default media player" in kde (like mailer and browser)? Or will we hardcode amarok?
[11:46] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will ask Tonio to help me out with that
[11:46] <Riddell> Lure: there's no such concept, I think we should set it to amarok and have a secret configuration option (i.e. without GUI) to change it
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: I was also thinking if decision to run xmodmap from kmilo is good - why do we not just provide file with our settings and executed xmodmap with that file from Autostart
[11:47] <Lure> Riddell: ok, similar as thinkpad module does (own config file)
[11:48] <Lure> Riddell: I am cocnerned that our xmodmap's may override some MM keyboards that users may want to use on laptops and there will be then no easy way to modify xmodmaps if they are hardcoded in kmilo
[11:48] <Riddell> Lure: we'd still need kmilo to do the on screen display for stuff
[11:49] <Lure> Riddell: sure, osd will stay, but they are based on xkeysym (I will just extend generic module)
[11:50] <Riddell> having it as a script rather than hardcoded does seem to make sense
[11:51] <Lure> my proposal is: xmodmap from Autostart (keycode -> xkeysym); kmilo for application starting, volume control and OSD and the rest in apps (amarok with config, konqueror will be patched
[11:51] <Riddell> I'd have kmilo running the script, that way it's either enabled or not
[11:52] <Lure> I was just testing my MM keyboard (Genius something) and keycode actually matches properly, but I am concerned that we may not be that lucky always
[11:52] <Riddell> Lure: how does the generic kmilo plugin know when to run?
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: it always runs
[11:53] <Riddell> so I have it running right now without me knowing about it
[11:53] <Lure> (at least how I see it - I am using it since hoary)
[11:53] <Lure> yes - just do xmodmap -e "keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute" and Mute key of laptop will work
[11:54] <Riddell> seaLne: would you be able to get a couple of kubuntu t-shirts to someone going to lugradio?
[11:55] <Riddell> wow, so it does
[11:55] <Riddell> would be cool to get that on screen display more pretty :)
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so kmilo generic will run "xmodmap ubuntu.xmodmap" and ubuntu.xmodmap will be filled with proper keycode -> xkeysym maps
[11:56] <Riddell> Lure: sounds good
[11:56] <Riddell> but s/ubuntu/kubuntu/
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: for pretty you need somebody else -> I have newver programmed GUI app (always others ;-))
[11:57] <Riddell> yeah, I might look at stealing the amarok code
[11:57] <Lure> Riddell: k3b is even nicer imho...
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: invokeBrowser/invokeMailer methods are in KApplication class, but kmilo is module of kded - so how can I get it's kapp?
[11:59] <Lure> or is there any other way to start default browser/mailer?
[11:59] <Riddell> krun?
[12:00] <Lure> but KRun needs path/executable and I do not know if koqueror or firefox is the right one (similar for kmail...)
[12:01] <Riddell> can you create a kapplication?
[12:03] <Lure> Only one object of this class can be instantiated in a single app. This instance is always accessible via the 'kapp' global variable. See cut() for an example.
[12:03] <Lure> no, but there is kapp global variable - stupid me (did not notice this before)
[12:03] <Lure> ;-)
[12:03] <Riddell> and that works in kded?
[12:03] <Riddell> if so, sorted :)
[12:04] <Lure> ok, will try if it works in kded tommorow - needs to get some sleep now ;-)
[12:04] <Riddell> else you can probably just copy the code out of kapplication.cpp
[12:04] <Riddell> sleep well, will be really cool if this gets working
[12:04] <Lure> yep - good night