| Keybuk | hmm | 12:59 |
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| Keybuk | queue-builder still doesn't appear to be working automatically | 12:59 |
| Keybuk | 22:50:03 INFO Rebuilding Build Queue. | 01:02 |
| Keybuk | 22:50:03 INFO creating lockfile 22:50:03 ERROR Cannot Acquire Lock. | 01:02 |
| Keybuk | 01:02 | |
| kiko | who else is holding that lock? | 01:03 |
| Keybuk | seems to be the slave scanner | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | which runs every, single, minute | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | no wonder the queue builder doesn't get a change | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | uh, chance | 01:04 |
| kiko | why should the slave scanner hold that lock? | 01:05 |
| Keybuk | no idea | 01:05 |
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| doko | $ sudo apt-get install python-tk | 02:46 |
| doko | Reading package lists... Done | 02:46 |
| doko | Building dependency tree | 02:46 |
| doko | Reading state information... Done | 02:46 |
| doko | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have | 02:46 |
| doko | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable | 02:46 |
| doko | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created | 02:46 |
| doko | or been moved out of Incoming. | 02:46 |
| doko | Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that | 02:46 |
| doko | the package is simply not installable and a bug report against | 02:46 |
| doko | that package should be filed. | 02:46 |
| doko | The following information may help to resolve the situation: | 02:46 |
| doko | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 02:46 |
| doko | python-tk: Depends: python2.4-tk (>= 2.4.3) | 02:46 |
| doko | E: Broken packages | 02:46 |
| doko | python-tk is now built from python-stdlib-extensions | 02:46 |
| doko | resulting in a python-tk_2.4.3-1ubuntu2 package | 02:47 |
| doko | although the package is built, it's not shown in the archive ... | 02:48 |
| doko | Kamion, Kinnison, Keybuk: ^^^ | 02:48 |
| Keybuk | doko: what you say makes no sense, I'm afraid | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | the last upload of python-stdlib-extensions was 2.0ubuntu1 | 03:39 |
| Keybuk | by yourself, about 8 hours ago | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | not 2.4.3-1ubuntu2 | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | python-tk_2.4.3-1ubuntu2 comes from the python-defaults package | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | if you want the binary built by python-stdlib-extensions to replace that, it needs to at least have a higher version number ;) | 03:42 |
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 04:00 |
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| spiv | Hmm, bzrlib failure when merging into sqlobject. | 06:28 |
| jamesh | spiv: so we have a common way to get to the sync() or syncUpdate() methods of sqlobjects that are security wrapped? | 06:35 |
| spiv | Are you asking "do we" or "should we"? | 06:42 |
| spiv | Anyway, I think the answers are "no" and "yes", respectively ;) | 06:43 |
| spiv | flush_database_updates() makes me nervous, it's a big hammer and we overuse it. | 06:43 |
| spiv | But we really want to be able to do syncUpdate one way or another, because it's so useful in tests. So I think it's OK to allow it through the security proxies. | 06:44 |
| jamesh | that should have been 'do we' | 06:48 |
| jamesh | do you think an extra interface as a parent would be the way to do it? | 06:49 |
| jamesh | there is sqlos.interfaces.ISQLObject, but it exposes a lot more than we'd usually want to | 06:50 |
| jamesh | (destroySelf and set) | 06:50 |
| spiv | I think that would be the way, yeah. It's a large change, though. | 06:50 |
| jamesh | I suppose sync() and syncUpdate() are always safe. | 06:50 |
| spiv | Which is why I'm ambivalent about it, I can't quite convince myself it's worth the benefit. | 06:50 |
| jamesh | (although overusing them can be a perf issue) | 06:51 |
| spiv | They should be. | 06:51 |
| spiv | Right, but lots of things are perf issues when overused :) | 06:51 |
| spiv | And they're much less of a perf issue than flush_database_updates. | 06:51 |
| jamesh | of course, they should be cheaper than flush_database_updates() ./.. | 06:51 |
| jamesh | got any ideas about an interface name? | 06:57 |
| spiv | I'd say "ISQLObject" if we didn't already have one. | 06:57 |
| spiv | ISQLObjectSyncable? | 06:58 |
| jamesh | in practice there is nothing wrong with duplicate interface names ... | 06:58 |
| spiv | It's potentially confusing, and annoying if we want to import both into the same module for some reason. | 07:00 |
| spiv | But maybe it's ok here. | 07:00 |
| jamesh | would I have a rubberstamp for adding ISQLObjectSyncable? | 07:00 |
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| kwwii | moin | 07:01 |
| spiv | I'm ok with that, but it's probably worth getting a 3rd opinion. A pity SteveA's at europython. | 07:01 |
| kwwii | one small question: does the "fix committed" status mean that the bug should now be fixed? | 07:01 |
| spiv | kwwii: It generally means it's fixed in the development version, but not yet in the released version. | 07:02 |
| jamesh | kwwii: "fix committed" is meant to mean "the fix has been committed to version control", and "fix released" means "a new release with the fix is available" | 07:02 |
| kwwii | spiv: cool, thanks :-) I won't waste anyones time in responding that the bug is still there | 07:02 |
| spiv | If you're talking about Launchpad, then it means we've committed a fix into our sourcecode repository, and it will be included in an upcoming production update. | 07:02 |
| kwwii | jamesh: excellent, good thing I asked | 07:03 |
| spiv | Which usually happen weekly. | 07:03 |
| jamesh | kwwii: for distributions, that might mean "I've made a fixed package", and "it has been accepted into the repository and you should be able to install it" | 07:03 |
| kwwii | cool | 07:03 |
| kwwii | ok, back to work...thanks for the quick answer :-) | 07:06 |
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| spiv | I've figured out some of the intermittent bzr failures. | 08:20 |
| spiv | It's running too fast ;) | 08:21 |
| spiv | I've posted an analysis to the lp list. | 08:21 |
| jamesh | so it is throwing away the subsecond accuracy of the stat data? | 08:22 |
| spiv | jamesh: look at the _fingerprint function in bzrlib/hashcache.py | 08:23 |
| spiv | jamesh: The short answer is "yes" | 08:24 |
| jamesh | spiv: yeah. I was looking at your email. | 08:24 |
| spiv | # we discard any high precision because it's not reliable; perhaps we | 08:24 |
| spiv | # could do better on some systems? | 08:24 |
| jamesh | I wonder what systems subsecond accuracy is not reliable? | 08:25 |
| jamesh | I mean, it might not be present on some systems, but I'd expect it to be reliable if present | 08:25 |
| jamesh | (assuming you account for the errors introduced by python converting the times to floats | 08:26 |
| spiv | Yeah, that comment is a mystery to me. | 08:27 |
| jamesh | e.g. using long(fs.st_mtime * 1000000) should be as reliable | 08:27 |
| spiv | bzr annotate blames r866, by mpool. | 08:28 |
| spiv | Which is very slightly less than a year old :) | 08:29 |
| jamesh | the floating point comparison is the only issue I can think of, The Python stat values are created with the following: | 08:39 |
| jamesh | fval = PyFloat_FromDouble(sec + 1e-9*nsec); | 08:39 |
| jamesh | I don't seem to get any subsecond accuracy even after calling os.stat_float_times(True) | 08:43 |
| jamesh | wonder if ext3 records it | 08:44 |
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| jamesh | spiv: looks like ext3 doesn't do nanosecond accuracy in mainline, so even if bzrlib wasn't truncating to integer times, the problem would persist | 08:48 |
| Keybuk | ext3 doesn't do nanosecond accuracy | 08:49 |
| Keybuk | however the page cache *does* | 08:49 |
| Keybuk | and you're almost never going to have a file flushed out of the cache within a second | 08:49 |
| jamesh | spiv: so time.sleep() would probably fix it :) | 08:50 |
| jamesh | or play around with the times with os.utime() | 08:53 |
| Keybuk | isn't bzr supposed to discard hashcache entries from the same second? | 08:55 |
| spiv | I don't know what it's supposed to do, but I can tell you what it does ;) | 08:55 |
| spiv | When comparing the working tree to the hash cache, it checks the stat information, intentionally ignoring subsecond information, to check if the files are the same. | 08:57 |
| spiv | So we're seeing intermittent failures because sufficiently rapid sequences of commits of simple (i.e. single file) trees in the test suite are occasionally bombing out because they think there's nothing to commit. | 08:57 |
| spiv | (in bzr's own test suite) | 08:58 |
| Keybuk | right | 08:58 |
| Keybuk | the theory from waaayyy back was that if it found a hash cache entry which, rounded to the nearest second, was the same time as NOW, then it would ignore it | 08:59 |
| jamesh | I wonder if the problem has been addressed since we last updated bzr in our tree? | 08:59 |
| spiv | jamesh: nope | 08:59 |
| spiv | jamesh: well, the _fingerprint function at least hasn't changed. | 08:59 |
| spiv | jamesh: I guess there could be smarts like Keybuk just described elsewhere, but _fingerprint would be the sensible place to put it. | 09:00 |
| spiv | Keybuk: that sounds like a good idea, but I haven't seen any sign of it in my skimming of the source. | 09:00 |
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| mpt | oh, there's already a bug report about it | 09:29 |
| mpt | reported by me, even! | 09:29 |
| mpt | Forgetful minds think alike | 09:30 |
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| one | ? | 10:10 |
| one | ? | 10:16 |
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| doko_ | Keybuk: no, python-tk isn't built from python-defaults | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | it was | 10:33 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-defaults/2.4.3-1ubuntu1 | 10:33 |
| doko_ | yes, and the last version was 2.4.3-1ubuntu1, and 2.4.3-1ubuntu2 (built from python-stdlib-extensions) isn't in the archive | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | ^ clearly has python-tk and python-gdbm in it | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | why do you think python-stdlib-extensions is 2.4.3-1ubuntu2 ? | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | python-stdlib-extensions is 2-0ubuntu1 | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | 2-0ubuntu1 < 2.4.3-1ubuntu1 | 10:34 |
| Keybuk | so the binaries built by python-stdlib-extensions are older than what's there | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | so they won't show up | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-stdlib-extensions/2-0ubuntu1 | 10:35 |
| doko_ | Keybuk: no, look a the binary versions, not the source version | 10:35 |
| doko_ | s/a/at/ | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | bet LP doesn't do binary versions | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | given that it's UI doesn't seem to expose them | 10:36 |
| doko_ | http://librarian.launchpad.net/3271744/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.python-stdlib-extensions_2-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | doko: note "changes file not available" | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | tbh, at this point you need a soyuz engineer | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | I expect you've found a katie/deb feature they didn't know about <g> | 10:37 |
| doko_ | ok | 10:37 |
| Keybuk | for reference, the queue entry was | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | 64293 | -B | python-stdlib-extens | 2-0ubuntu1 | 11 hours | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | | * python-gdbm/2.4.3-1ubuntu2/ia64 Component: main Section: python Priority: OPTIONAL | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | | * python-tk/2.4.3-1ubuntu2/ia64 Component: main Section: python Priority: OPTIONAL | 10:39 |
| Keybuk | 16:03:06 DEBUG Publishing source python-stdlib-extensions/2-0ubuntu1 to | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | +ubuntu/edgy | 10:40 |
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| Keybuk | 22:03:05 DEBUG Publishing build to ubuntu/edgy/ia64 | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | 22:03:05 DEBUG ... python-gdbm/2.4.3-1ubuntu2 (Arch Specific) | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | 22:03:05 DEBUG ... python-tk/2.4.3-1ubuntu2 (Arch Specific) | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | 22:09:47 DEBUG Added | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | +/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-stdlib-extensions/p+ython-gdbm_2.4.3-1ubuntu2_ia64.deb from library | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | 22:09:47 DEBUG Added | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | +/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-stdlib-extensions/p+ython-tk_2.4.3-1ubuntu2_ia64.deb from library | 10:42 |
| malcc | Hmm | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | it's on the archive on drescher | 10:44 |
| Keybuk | but only the ia64 deb | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | looks like the others got lost | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | malcc: some debugging for you there | 10:45 |
| malcc | Keybuk: Ta | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | malcc: interesting that the build record doesn't have the changes file | 10:46 |
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| doko_ | malcc: submitted bug 52064 | 10:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52064 in launchpad "soyuz confused by version numbers different in source/binaries" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52064 | 10:52 |
| malcc | doko_: Thanks | 10:53 |
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| Keybuk | note that it's not necessarily that which has happened | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | it could be the fact there's no changes file from the buildd | 10:59 |
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| malcc | The four architectures which didn't get their builds for python-stdlib-extensions, plus some other build results, seem to be backed up from last night | 11:20 |
| malcc | Could be knock-on effects from the troubles and the reboot; I don't want to mess until someone who knows more turns up, but I suspect these can be given a kick and will then all turn up fine | 11:20 |
| mpt__ | bother | 11:27 |
| mpt__ | malcc, make check_merge keeps hanging for me in either pagetests/soyuz/23-sourcepackage-hctstatus.txt or 25-binarypackagenames.txt | 11:28 |
| mpt | Are you familiar enough with the tests yet to have any idea why? :-) | 11:28 |
| malcc | mpt: Bummer. I don't think those do anything odd, but I'll take a look. | 11:28 |
| mpt | actually, it'll be 25-binarypackagenames.txt | 11:29 |
| mpt | the output is " /home/mpt/hackiTests hung - no output for 600 seconds. Killing ... Not dead yet! - slaughtering mercilessly" | 11:29 |
| mpt | where "/home/mpt/hacki" is the beginning of the path of 25-bpn | 11:30 |
| malcc | mpt: I can't see anything odd in that test, and certainly nothing odd enough to break the test engine half way through printing a path | 11:30 |
| lifeless | malcc: deadlocks | 11:31 |
| malcc | mpt: I suggest you've got a ghost in the machine in fact unrelated to these thoroughly unremarkable tests | 11:31 |
| lifeless | malcc: specifically, stderr is probably full | 11:31 |
| lifeless | malcc: no ghosts | 11:31 |
| mpt | It's the third time exactly that test has failed | 11:31 |
| mpt | The first thing the test does is ask for http://localhost/binarypackagenames, and the URL gives me a 404 | 11:32 |
| lifeless | malcc: we have a wrapper around the tests, it reads the stderr/stdout and shows them | 11:32 |
| mpt | though launchpad.dev/binarypackagenames works | 11:32 |
| lifeless | malcc: I strongly suspect its a full pipe deadlock. Until the parent does a read on the other pipe, the child will not resume. And the parent is blocked reading from the first pipe. | 11:32 |
| lifeless | or something like that | 11:32 |
| malcc | mpt: I'm pretty sure localhost is ok in pagetests, even though it doesn't work in development | 11:33 |
| mpt | ok | 11:33 |
| malcc | lifeless: Your theory sounds reasonable, given I know very little about all that. If you're correct, what does that mean we do to fix it? | 11:34 |
| lifeless | check run_test.py or whatever it is. See if it drills down to a select loop on the two pipes. If it does not, then we should convert it to do that, i.e. using twisted's processprotocol rather than subprocess, or some similar tool | 11:35 |
| mpt | Running the soyuz story by itself works | 11:38 |
| malcc | mpt: I'm betting on lifeless' idea, I'm just checking the code in test_on_merge now to see if its subprocess handling is suspect | 11:41 |
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| Atomyc | hello.. | 11:42 |
| Atomyc | anybody here.. | 11:42 |
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| malcc | lifeless: To my limited knowledge, test_on_merge looks ok. It uses popen with stderr=STDOUT then uses a select loop. | 12:17 |
| malcc | On stdout | 12:17 |
| jamesh | spiv: I've got a branch up for review now that fixes the branch scanner bug that turned up (and should reduce the chance of similar bugs in the future) | 12:26 |
| lifeless | malcc: ok. | 12:31 |
| lifeless | that means someone needs to talk mpt though attaching gdb and getting a backtrace from both the child process and the parent process, to understad where and how it is borked. | 12:33 |
| mpt | goody | 12:39 |
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| mpt | BjornT! | 12:51 |
| mpt | I have a problem with getLink | 12:51 |
| jamesh | mpt: I expanded the PythonBugTrackerCompetition page earlier this week. Haven't looked at updating the wiki syntax spec implementation section. | 12:57 |
| mpt | BjornT, the problem is a bit complicated for IRC, I've replied to you on launchpad-reviews | 12:58 |
| mpt | jamesh, ok | 01:00 |
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| malcc | Keybuk, doko: The problem with python-stdlib-extensions is confirmed to be unrelated to names/versions etc., it was just some Soyuz build results stuck after drescher problems yesterday. Kinnison has unstuck them and everything should be fine now. | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | malcc: cool | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | general bug/feature request -- the UI could do with showing binary version numbers :p | 01:04 |
| doko | malcc: thanks | 01:04 |
| malcc | Keybuk: Which pages are missing binary version numbers where they'd be useful to you? | 01:05 |
| Keybuk | malcc: well, the fact there's no publishing history pages for binaries | 01:06 |
| Keybuk | anywhere | 01:06 |
| malcc | Keybuk: Really? I assumed I just hadn't found them yet | 01:08 |
| Keybuk | there could be some secret unlinked page somewhere | 01:08 |
| Keybuk | but not one I'm aware of | 01:08 |
| Keybuk | currently the soyuz UI is a bit "here's some sources, here's what happened to the sources, oh and they got built, but HERE'S MORE SOURCES" | 01:09 |
| Kinnison | Everyone loves the source dude | 01:10 |
| Kinnison | Erm /distros/ubuntu/edgy/i386/python-support | 01:12 |
| Kinnison | witness the binary pub hist | 01:13 |
| malcc | Yay | 01:13 |
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| malcc | My faith that Soyuz can infact give you anything you want if you can only penetrate the Barrier of Confusion (tm) has been restored | 01:14 |
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| mpt | I understand how people use Malone | 01:16 |
| mpt | and I understand how people use Rosetta | 01:16 |
| mpt | I don't understand how people use Soyuz. | 01:16 |
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| Kinnison | mpt: don't watch me then, 'cos I type URLs | 01:27 |
| mpt | Kinnison, I suspect most people do that for Malone too :-) | 01:30 |
| mpt | (I certainly do) | 01:30 |
| mpt | or bookmarks | 01:30 |
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| mpt | bug 12345 | 01:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/12345 | 01:51 |
| mpt | This has been a test of the Ubugtu system | 01:52 |
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| kiko | hello hello | 01:54 |
| Kamion | publisher crash: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3282274/petQjyUqbU2w58HGOQLKrOCh3PF.txt | 01:54 |
| kiko | are people ready for the most important moment of the week! | 01:54 |
| Znarl | stub : Ping? | 01:54 |
| Kamion | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/ubuntu/pool/universe/h/haskell-src-exts/libghc6-harp-dev_0.2-5_amd64.deb' | 01:55 |
| stub | Znarl: pong | 01:55 |
| malcc | kiko: It's time already for the sunday morning Hollyoaks omnibus edition? | 01:55 |
| Znarl | stub : chinstrap is getting slow rsyncing launchpad production logs again. Can you rotate them? | 01:55 |
| Kamion | which is frankly just bizarre, given that it's trying to publish that | 01:55 |
| kiko | malcc, not that moment -- the other one! | 01:55 |
| stub | Znarl: ok. | 01:55 |
| Znarl | Thanks. | 01:55 |
| SteveA | hello | 01:56 |
| kiko | SteveA! | 01:56 |
| kiko | are you going to be presiding this week after all? | 01:56 |
| SteveA | hi kiko | 01:56 |
| SteveA | i haven't prepared, but I'll be here | 01:56 |
| kiko | is that a yes or a no? :) | 01:56 |
| salgado | stub, did something go wrong with yesterday's nightly.sh run? | 01:56 |
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| kiko | https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingAgenda | 01:56 |
| Kamion | I'm going to hope that the publisher runs successfully next time round | 01:57 |
| stub | salgado: I killed some of the processes because I needed to grab locks on some tables if that is what you are looking at. | 01:57 |
| kiko | SteveA? | 01:57 |
| SteveA | kiko: i'll do it | 01:58 |
| salgado | stub, I asked because the mirror prober reported that no mirrors were probed | 01:58 |
| kiko | yayzers | 01:58 |
| stub | salgado: That wasn't me | 01:58 |
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| stub | I've never seen it actually probe a mirror | 01:59 |
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| kiko | I have | 02:00 |
| salgado | it's been probing lots of them, since almost two weeks | 02:00 |
| mpt | meeeeee | 02:00 |
| kiko | me | 02:00 |
| malcc | me | 02:00 |
| SteveA | Hello | 02:00 |
| SteveA | launchpad meeting | 02:00 |
| SteveA | who is here? | 02:00 |
| mpt | MEETING TIME | 02:00 |
| bradb | me | 02:00 |
| salgado | me | 02:00 |
| kiko | o/~ Is it me you're looking for? o/~ | 02:00 |
| flacoste | me | 02:00 |
| mpt | that's what I was trying to say | 02:00 |
| stub | me | 02:00 |
| mpt | me | 02:00 |
| kiko | me | 02:00 |
| malcc | me | 02:00 |
| jamesh | me | 02:00 |
| cprov | me | 02:00 |
| Kinnison | me | 02:01 |
| kiko | <matsubara>me | 02:01 |
| matsubara | me | 02:01 |
| SteveA | cool | 02:01 |
| SteveA | == Agenda == | 02:01 |
| SteveA | * Roll call * Agenda * Next meeting * Activity reports * Actions from last meeting * Oops report (Matsubara) * Bug report report (mpt) * Sysadmin requests * Production and staging (Stuart) | 02:01 |
| SteveA | ---- * (other items) | 02:01 |
| SteveA | argh | 02:01 |
| SteveA | ---- * Keep, Bag, Change * Three sentences | 02:01 |
| SteveA | irssi sucks for this | 02:01 |
| SteveA | but irc is banned at cern | 02:02 |
| === mpt thinks that's an improvement | ||
| SteveA | so i must go vi ssh | 02:02 |
| jamesh | ssh port forwarding | 02:02 |
| kiko | is the future | 02:02 |
| SteveA | ok | 02:03 |
| SteveA | next meeting... same time next week? | 02:03 |
| stub | whatever | 02:03 |
| kiko | yes. | 02:03 |
| SteveA | cool. someone please set the channel title appropriately. | 02:03 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : https://launchpad.net/ | developer meeting: Thu 13 July, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| SteveA | ta | 02:03 |
| SteveA | * Activity reports | 02:03 |
| SteveA | i suck. anyway, i've been at europython. | 02:03 |
| salgado | I'm up to date | 02:04 |
| === flacoste is up to date | ||
| kiko | I'm half-sucky | 02:04 |
| Kinnison | I am not up-to-date. I have sketchy notes but I've worked a lot of last week on paper rather than on the laptop. | 02:04 |
| stub | Up to date | 02:04 |
| cprov | I'm up to date | 02:04 |
| lifeless | @europython | 02:04 |
| stub | paper? | 02:04 |
| jamesh | I'm not up to date | 02:04 |
| bradb | up to date, less sprints | 02:04 |
| matsubara | up to date | 02:04 |
| kiko | I was sprinting last week and this week has been context-switch festival | 02:04 |
| Kinnison | stub: It's old-school technology | 02:04 |
| malcc | Up to date | 02:04 |
| mpt | one day behind (and I've been batching) | 02:04 |
| matsubara | I'm also guilty of batching | 02:04 |
| SteveA | * Actions from last meeting | 02:04 |
| spiv | here | 02:05 |
| SteveA | * Steve to ask Kiko to run next week's meeting | 02:05 |
| SteveA | ah, well, anyway | 02:05 |
| SteveA | * everyone (including those not at the meeting): read https://wiki.canonical.com/SysAdminRtUsageGuide and subscribe to it | 02:05 |
| spiv | And I'm behind on activity reports. :( | 02:05 |
| SteveA | please say "read" or "not read" according to whether you have read that page yet. | 02:05 |
| malcc | read | 02:05 |
| SteveA | read | 02:05 |
| spiv | read | 02:05 |
| Kinnison | read | 02:05 |
| kiko | I read it and used the advice in there | 02:06 |
| === flacoste read and subscribed | ||
| matsubara | read and subscribed | 02:06 |
| bradb | read | 02:06 |
| mpt | read | 02:06 |
| lifeless | read | 02:06 |
| SteveA | most excellent | 02:06 |
| salgado | read | 02:06 |
| jamesh | read | 02:06 |
| stub | read | 02:06 |
| mpt | most of us are also subscribed | 02:06 |
| cprov | read | 02:06 |
| SteveA | * Oops report (Matsubara) | 02:07 |
| matsubara | Today's oops report is about bugs 44860, 42755, 2497, 51097 and 30602 | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 44860 in rosetta "Crash when we try to pass a query string to a POFile that doesn't exist yet." [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44860 | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2497 in rosetta "/people/*/+translations times out for prolific translators" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2497 | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51097 in rosetta "Selection of untranslated entries is too slow" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51097 | 02:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "ERROR IN: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/vlc/+pots/vlc/tl/+translate" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 | 02:07 |
| matsubara | Kiko any news about bug 42755. Is that fix going to address comments on tickets also? | 02:07 |
| matsubara | hmm carlos isn't here... | 02:08 |
| kiko | stub, would you have time to work on bug 2497? I have a simple-ish plan for it | 02:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 2497 in rosetta "/people/*/+translations times out for prolific translators" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/2497 | 02:08 |
| kiko | bug 42755 you say? | 02:08 |
| stub | kiko: Mark is pushing me to work on CanonicalPillarNames | 02:08 |
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| kiko | yeah, that's true. | 02:08 |
| kiko | stub, let's do that call after the meeting | 02:08 |
| stub | k | 02:09 |
| matsubara | Top time outs are on +translate(51097 and 30602) and +translations(2497) page. | 02:09 |
| matsubara | The only one not assigned is 30602, want to take that kiko? | 02:09 |
| kiko | matsubara, that's better a carlos bug really | 02:09 |
| matsubara | I'll talk to him then | 02:09 |
| matsubara | and lastly, pqm is rejecting my commit attempts. | 02:09 |
| bradb | Me Too | 02:09 |
| matsubara | is there anyone looking on that problem? | 02:09 |
| spiv | matsubara: Did you see my email to the list? | 02:10 |
| lifeless | can you be more specific ? | 02:10 |
| spiv | matsubara: I suggest just keep trying, the bzr failures are intermittent due to a race condition. | 02:10 |
| matsubara | lifeless: random test failures. I mailed the list with the failures I got | 02:10 |
| spiv | matsubara: I had the same failure as you, got through the second time though. | 02:10 |
| matsubara | spiv: I've seen it, thanks for looking on it. | 02:10 |
| matsubara | I tried 5 times yesterday, I'll keep on trying then. | 02:11 |
| spiv | Wellk, the same as three of yours, haven't looked at all of yours though :) | 02:11 |
| kiko | lifeless, can you please disable that test for now? | 02:11 |
| spiv | kiko: It's more than one tests. | 02:11 |
| kiko | oh | 02:11 |
| spiv | one test, rather. | 02:11 |
| kiko | really? | 02:11 |
| lifeless | anyone in the lp team can commit to the p copy of bzr | 02:11 |
| lifeless | s/p / lp / | 02:11 |
| spiv | kiko: it's lots of them, any that make lots of small commits very quickly, which is at least three of them, judging from matsubara's failures. | 02:11 |
| lifeless | I am about to fly home, so no, I cannot do that. | 02:12 |
| kiko | lifeless, sure, but that's a judgement call that i'd rather you made | 02:12 |
| lifeless | it sounds like there is a real, valid bug in bzr though. | 02:12 |
| kiko | or authorize somebody to do it | 02:12 |
| lifeless | because the hashcache is meant to be race condition free. | 02:12 |
| kiko | lifeless, great. let's not let it stop launchpad development from happening though :) | 02:12 |
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| spiv | I can call Martin tomorrow to discuss the problem if people want? | 02:12 |
| lifeless | for the record, I'm happy with ddaa or spiv or jamesh doing commits to bzr or bzrtools in the lp tree at any point. | 02:12 |
| lifeless | kiko: ^ | 02:12 |
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| kiko | lifeless, any commit? including not running bzr tests upon commit? :-) | 02:12 |
| spiv | And then do a commit to our bzr based on that conversatino. | 02:12 |
| lifeless | spiv: please do that, I was about to suggest asking Martin to treat it as urgent. | 02:12 |
| lifeless | kiko: if that is what it takes for a short period of time, then [grudgingly] yes. | 02:13 |
| stub | I've also been seeing intermittent failures with cscvs. | 02:13 |
| spiv | Ok, I'll do that. In the in ~12 hours until then, just keep retrying :) | 02:13 |
| kiko | cool. | 02:13 |
| kiko | thanks | 02:13 |
| lifeless | kiko: however, I suggest talking with the sysadmins tonight | 02:13 |
| spiv | stub: Oh, that's one I'm not aware of. | 02:13 |
| lifeless | because this started happening | 02:13 |
| stub | It may have been triggered by upgradinig Balleny to dapper. | 02:13 |
| lifeless | and nothing was changed in our copy of bzr or bzrtools when it started. | 02:13 |
| matsubara | stub: one of my test failures was related to that | 02:13 |
| lifeless | stub: I've never seen these failures on dapper on other machines. | 02:14 |
| lifeless | its even possible, that its a dapper bug | 02:14 |
| stub | lifeless: Machines that are 64 bit and as fast? | 02:14 |
| stub | I suspect timing issues | 02:14 |
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| lifeless | stub: FSVO 'as', yes. | 02:14 |
| lifeless | stub: lets not get into a technical dsicussion right now. | 02:14 |
| lifeless | stub: I'm aware of the parameters. | 02:15 |
| matsubara | ok, SteveA, kiko I'm done with the oops report | 02:15 |
| kiko | thanks matsubara | 02:15 |
| matsubara | thanks all | 02:15 |
| SteveA | thanks matsubara | 02:15 |
| SteveA | * Bug report report (mpt) | 02:15 |
| mpt | The oldest, most important bugs this week are: | 02:15 |
| mpt | bug 1294, assigned to bradb | 02:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 1294 in malone "Filing a private bug requires the ability to Cc the maintainer" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1294 | 02:15 |
| kiko | matsubara, to answer your question, no, it won't solve +ticket timeouts. | 02:15 |
| mpt | bug 6459, assigned to carlos | 02:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6459 in rosetta "Timeout error on distribution release language page" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/6459 | 02:15 |
| mpt | bug 31308, not assigned | 02:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31308 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot set branch associated to a product series" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31308 | 02:16 |
| matsubara | kiko: I'll file a new one then, thanks | 02:16 |
| mpt | bug 36060, assigned to bradb | 02:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36060 in malone "Bug needs a date last updated column" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36060 | 02:16 |
| mpt | bug 37866, assigned to kiko | 02:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37866 in malone "+editstatus should not accept binary package as source package" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37866 | 02:16 |
| mpt | and bug 37897, assigned to ddaa | 02:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37897 in launchpad-bazaar "renaming project, product or series breaks vcs imports" [Critical,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37897 | 02:16 |
| mpt | carlos and bradb, how are you doing with those? | 02:16 |
| mpt | and who should take 31308? | 02:16 |
| jamesh | mpt: some of those bugs you listed are fix committed | 02:16 |
| mpt | oh, carlos isn't here | 02:16 |
| elmo | we just a lost an apps server | 02:17 |
| === bradb updates 36060 to fix released | ||
| mpt | jamesh, I realize that -- they should be verified | 02:17 |
| mpt | and marked as fix released | 02:17 |
| elmo | stub: ping? | 02:17 |
| kiko | mpt, as per bug 37866. we need to clean up sourcepackagename now :-( | 02:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37866 in malone "+editstatus should not accept binary package as source package" [Critical,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37866 | 02:17 |
| mpt | does 31308 belong to ddaa? | 02:17 |
| bradb | 1294 I'll fix in probably the next few days | 02:18 |
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| flacoste | matsubara: the ticket timeout problem is mentioned on bug 37865 | 02:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37865 in launchpad-support-tracker "Support listing could use a list similar to the bug listing" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37865 | 02:19 |
| mpt | anybody? :-) | 02:19 |
| jamesh | mpt: I guess it is. I'm not sure 31308 is critical though | 02:19 |
| matsubara | flacoste: it's not that one. I mean the timeout when a ticket has too many comments | 02:19 |
| mpt | ok. kiko, do you have time for 37866, or should it go to someone else? | 02:19 |
| lifeless | ddaa, stevea and I have spoken about 31308 | 02:19 |
| lifeless | it is currently critical as it completely mucks up the user experience for bzr use with lp, for native upstreams | 02:20 |
| kiko | mpt, I doubt anybody else will actually do what needs to be done there, which is basically researching what sourcepackagenames need to be killed and moving bugs back | 02:20 |
| lifeless | but we can do a short fix, and downgrade it, though it will not be the 'entire fix'. | 02:20 |
| mpt | lifeless, maybe you can summarize your discussion in the bug report | 02:20 |
| mpt | SteveA, I'm done. | 02:21 |
| SteveA | thanks | 02:21 |
| SteveA | * Sysadmin requests | 02:21 |
| SteveA | 6 | 02:21 |
| SteveA | 5 | 02:21 |
| SteveA | 4 | 02:21 |
| SteveA | 3 | 02:21 |
| SteveA | 2 | 02:21 |
| SteveA | 1 | 02:21 |
| SteveA | cool | 02:21 |
| kiko | I asked them something | 02:21 |
| kiko | ah | 02:21 |
| SteveA | * Production and staging (Stuart) | 02:21 |
| kiko | to open up the launchpad.net stats they are already generating | 02:21 |
| kiko | it's currently IP-protected | 02:21 |
| stub | Nothing thrilling is happening with production or staging. I have an outstanding cherry pick to push out for Carlos. | 02:21 |
| stub | I expect the next rollout will be on Tuesday, rolling out HEAD as of now unless people tell me otherwise. | 02:21 |
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| SteveA | thanks stub | 02:22 |
| SteveA | * booking flights for launchpad sprints | 02:22 |
| jamesh | stub: I've got a branch pending review to fix the branch scanner. It'll probably need to be cherry picked | 02:23 |
| SteveA | I want to find out who has arranged travel for the launchpad sprints, and who has not. please say "all arranged" or "partially arranged" or "not yet arranged" | 02:23 |
| SteveA | all arranged | 02:23 |
| spiv | all arranged | 02:23 |
| stub | not yet arranged | 02:23 |
| jamesh | all arranged | 02:23 |
| mpt | n/a | 02:23 |
| Kinnison | "will either buy train ticket or diesel on the day" | 02:23 |
| === Kinnison doesn't know what that counts as | ||
| malcc | Nothing to arrange | 02:24 |
| matsubara | not yet arranged, I think | 02:24 |
| cprov | not yet arranged | 02:24 |
| matsubara | kiko: should I mail james about it? | 02:24 |
| bradb | nothing to arrange | 02:24 |
| flacoste | n/a | 02:24 |
| kiko | matsubara, sure | 02:24 |
| SteveA | ok, thanks | 02:25 |
| SteveA | * Everyone to note that lifeless should be cc-ed on PQM-related RT issues (Steve) | 02:25 |
| SteveA | please note that lifeless should be cc-ed on any PQM-related RT issues | 02:25 |
| kiko | matsubara, ask taciana to sort it out | 02:25 |
| matsubara | kiko: I'll thanks. | 02:25 |
| SteveA | * pqm and bzr test suite (kiko) | 02:25 |
| kiko | SteveA, already resolved. | 02:26 |
| SteveA | cool | 02:26 |
| SteveA | * Keep, Bag, Change | 02:27 |
| SteveA | 5 | 02:27 |
| SteveA | 3 | 02:27 |
| SteveA | 1 | 02:27 |
| kiko | keep: staging working (it's currently not) | 02:27 |
| malcc | Keep: The numbers 4 and 2 | 02:27 |
| stub | BAG: Running test suites of non-interdepandant packages on Launchpad commit. It gives us little or no gain but large downsides. | 02:28 |
| kiko | stub, hmmm, so no cscvs or bzr tests? | 02:28 |
| spiv | kiko: Well, commits to lp cannot break bzr. | 02:28 |
| spiv | kiko: but commits to bzr can break lp. | 02:28 |
| spiv | kiko: so in one case we need to run both bzr and lp tests, but not in both. | 02:28 |
| kiko | is that feasible? | 02:28 |
| SteveA | i agree with this. it means developing a way to represent these dependencies | 02:29 |
| stub | Indeed. And if bzr is screwing up, there is no reason to block Launchpad commits. | 02:29 |
| SteveA | and then teaching pqm how to understand that for running test suites | 02:29 |
| SteveA | it is not trivial | 02:29 |
| SteveA | it requires a spec | 02:29 |
| stub | Or cscvs, or twisted, or any of the one-way dependancies | 02:29 |
| kiko | could we not just special-case launchpad | 02:29 |
| kiko | since it would give us the most bang for the least buck | 02:29 |
| kiko | so something like | 02:29 |
| kiko | if committing_to(launchpad): | 02:29 |
| kiko | run_lp_tests() | 02:29 |
| kiko | else: | 02:29 |
| spiv | kiko: no, there's some stuff like hct that depends on lp | 02:29 |
| kiko | run_all_tests() | 02:30 |
| kiko | so add a run_hct_tests() in there | 02:30 |
| SteveA | kiko: propose that on the lp list, so lifeless can contribute when he gets home | 02:30 |
| kiko | but anyway, strawman :) | 02:30 |
| stub | As far as I can see, we just need two make check rules. One run when launchpad commits are made and one when other commits are made. | 02:30 |
| SteveA | * Three sentences | 02:31 |
| SteveA | please go ahead | 02:31 |
| mpt | DONE: Rosetta hacking, specifications, non-Landscape work | 02:31 |
| mpt | TODO: land Rosetta branch, LaunchpadLoginService, MaloneSimplifications | 02:31 |
| mpt | BLOCKED: Kiko, e-mail + code review; carlos/jordi, import policy update | 02:31 |
| spiv | stub: it's not so much about make check rules as about how we configure PQM | 02:31 |
| stub | DONE: bug fixes 'n' stuff | 02:31 |
| spiv | DONE: reviews, fixed bug 50473, finally merged fix for 33223, fixed 39814. | 02:31 |
| spiv | TODO: reviews, continue work on bzr smart server, sftp bugs. | 02:31 |
| spiv | BLOCKED: no. | 02:31 |
| stub | TODO: CanonicalPillarNames | 02:31 |
| stub | BLOCKED: No | 02:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50473 in glibc "Problem with locales in update of Dapper Drake to Edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50473 | 02:31 |
| matsubara | DONE: oops report analysis, fixed some validations bugs, traversal bugs, test conversion. | 02:31 |
| matsubara | TODO: bug fixing (product ownership reassignement and oops bugs) and more triage | 02:31 |
| matsubara | BLOCKED: no | 02:31 |
| malcc | DONE: Soyuz troubleshooting, publish-distro-optimization testing, merged cprov's dak-tools branch into publish-distro-optimization. | 02:31 |
| malcc | TODO: Finish publish-distro-optimization testing, cron.daily changes, merge and land some branches. | 02:31 |
| malcc | BLOCKED: No. | 02:31 |
| bradb | DONE: Landed attach-while-commenting. Resurrected fix for bug 41399. Started working on some of the release management stuff spec'd in London. | 02:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41399 in malone "Error message not specific in bug-reporting page (+filebug)" [High,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41399 | 02:31 |
| kiko | DONE: sprint, webserver stats, catching up with 800+ emails, planning | 02:31 |
| flacoste | DONE London sprint, write support tracker specifications, investigated ticket search | 02:31 |
| bradb | TODO: Release management. XMLRPC. | 02:31 |
| flacoste | TODO complete ticket search | 02:31 |
| flacoste | BLOCKED waiting on mpt and kiko feedback for support tracker workflow spec | 02:31 |
| bradb | BLOCKED: No. | 02:31 |
| kiko | TODO: some performance work, reviews | 02:31 |
| kiko | BLOCKED: no | 02:31 |
| salgado | DONE: Attended Support Tracker sprint, code review, email catch up and worked on KarmaContext | 02:31 |
| salgado | TODO: Finish KarmaContext and land it, random bugs and code review | 02:31 |
| salgado | BLOCKED: No | 02:31 |
| jamesh | DONE: code reviews, dyson to urllib work, fix branch scanner bustage | 02:32 |
| jamesh | TODO: code reviews, finish off dyson stuff, look at wiki markup spec for mpt | 02:32 |
| jamesh | BLOCKED: no | 02:32 |
| cprov | DONE: archive-tools, bug fixes in queue UI | 02:32 |
| cprov | TODO: cron.daily fixes and start Build-Unpublished-Sources | 02:32 |
| cprov | BLOCKED: no | 02:32 |
| mpt | flacoste, I don't know what you're referring to, I haven't received any request for feedback | 02:32 |
| Kinnison | DONE: lots of design work around PPA. Helped resolve various build/buildqueue problems. Pre-pre-implementation call for PPA with sabdfl. Attempted again to learn {ME,}TAL{,ES}. | 02:32 |
| Kinnison | TODO: Reach pre-impl stage on PPA, actually get around to sorting my pending branches. | 02:32 |
| Kinnison | BLOCKED: none. | 02:32 |
| stub | spiv: I don't think there is any reason that commits to launchpad branches don't trigger 'make check' and commits to the other branches trigger 'make fullcheck'. I think we just run the same command at the moment because Robert wants it that way. | 02:32 |
| flacoste | mpt: ok, I thought the spec tracker sent email notification on request for feedback, I'll send you an email then | 02:33 |
| spiv | stub: right, because it's the simplest way to make sure all tests pass always, but we can optimise. | 02:33 |
| mpt | flacoste, it's a bug reported in Blueprint, feedback requests don't | 02:33 |
| SteveA | any blockers or other issues not dealt with? | 02:34 |
| mpt | yes, mine :-) | 02:34 |
| === stub looks at the pqm config file | ||
| lifeless | see you all monday | 02:34 |
| mpt | kiko, if you're busy maybe you can get lifeless to reallocate the branch? | 02:34 |
| stub | lifeless: You not stopping in Bangkok on the way back? | 02:34 |
| lifeless | stub: no, it routes via hong kong | 02:35 |
| lifeless | stub: I would have liked to stop by | 02:35 |
| stub | Next time ;) | 02:35 |
| lifeless | stub: we have bidirectional dependencies on lp. | 02:35 |
| kiko | mpt, what is this about? | 02:35 |
| spiv | kiko: you have review in your queue that's 10 days old. | 02:36 |
| lifeless | stub: specifically hct and importd and IIRC a couple others | 02:36 |
| mpt | kiko, (1) my needs-review branch is in your queue, and (2) I e-mailed you 1.5 weeks ago about arranging a phone call, and pinged you 0.5 weeks ago as a reminder | 02:36 |
| stub | lifeless: Yes, but not all the externals are bidirectional. We can reduce problems if we only run the tests suites on those ones rather than everything. | 02:36 |
| lifeless | agreed. as steve said - a spec is needed. | 02:36 |
| lifeless | gotta run, bus to catch. tchau | 02:36 |
| spiv | lifeless: happy travels! | 02:37 |
| mpt | kiko, (1) is nearly two weeks old now, so maybe it should go to another reviewer | 02:37 |
| stub | I'll spec out the quick hack version in a spec that should keep us happy for the foreseeable future. | 02:37 |
| SteveA | i think that all remaining issues are between individual people, and not for the whole team | 02:37 |
| kiko | mpt, I was in London. did you try SteveA? | 02:37 |
| SteveA | so, thanks everyone | 02:37 |
| SteveA | MEETING ENDS | 02:37 |
| spiv | There's a "Rejected Reviews" section on the PendingReviews page just waiting to be used ;) | 02:37 |
| mpt | kiko, SteveA was the one who asked me to arrange it | 02:38 |
| Kamion | could I grab soyuz people for urgent publisher help nw? | 02:38 |
| Kamion | now | 02:38 |
| malcc | Kamion: sup? | 02:38 |
| fabbione | malcc: the world is in collision course with Mars | 02:38 |
| Kamion | the publisher has crashed twice in succession with the same error | 02:38 |
| Kamion | http://librarian.launchpad.net/3282692/petQjyUqbU2w58HGOQLKrOCh3PF.txt | 02:38 |
| === bradb feels jolted by the meeting finishing 7 minutes early | ||
| stub | Had to wake up early? | 02:39 |
| Kamion | it was publishing that package in the last-but-one run, yet apparently objected to the package not being in the pool | 02:39 |
| Kamion | so I am now confused | 02:39 |
| bradb | stub: not really. i was up 3 hours ago. | 02:39 |
| bradb | gotta find some time in the day to learn Go | 02:39 |
| kiko | Kamion, that's odd. | 02:39 |
| Kamion | indeed | 02:40 |
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| bradb | heh | 02:40 |
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| kiko | Kamion, I'm looking at the code. | 02:40 |
| Kinnison | Kamion: care to take this to ##soyuz1.0 | 02:41 |
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| kiko | stub, so, do you want to do that call now? | 02:42 |
| stub | I guess | 02:43 |
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| kiko | stub, or in a moment? | 02:43 |
| kiko | I don't have skype | 02:43 |
| stub | Bah | 02:43 |
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| stub | t | 02:43 |
| stub | kiko: I'm ready when you are | 02:45 |
| kiko | stub, do I call the 8862 number? | 02:45 |
| mpt | BjornT, thanks for your prompt reply -- should I assume that every Launchpadder is using an editor with "Remove trailing spaces when saving" or equivalent turned on? | 02:45 |
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| stub | kiko: I doubt it. I don't have any number with 8862 in it. | 02:46 |
| bradb | mpt: I use Emacs's delete-trailing-whitespace fu | 02:48 |
| bradb | trailing whitespace is like dirt on the canvas | 02:48 |
| mpt | If I had that such an option turned on, and not everyone else did, I'd generate spurious diffs | 02:53 |
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| flacoste | bradb: have you seen the 'About a month until PSF call for test tracker' email on python-announce? | 02:58 |
| bradb | nope, i don't read that list. but i'm aware of date posted on their call for trackers page. | 02:59 |
| bradb | s/of/of the/ | 03:00 |
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| SteveA | win 5 | 03:21 |
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| salgado | stub, ping? | 05:15 |
| stub | salgado: pong | 05:16 |
| salgado | stub, if I run the foaf-update-karma-cache.py script manually, shouldn't it create/update the cache entries on launchpad_dev? | 05:17 |
| stub | I think so, yes. | 05:18 |
| stub | kiko: I've bounced staging. Don't know why it locked. | 05:22 |
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| kiko | thanks stub | 05:48 |
| kiko | bradb, I'm out for lunch and then back we will chat on the topics of python.org and security bugs. | 05:49 |
| bradb | kiko: sounds good | 05:49 |
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| Goxy | hi | 08:05 |
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| jbailey | I'm just looking at doko's spec's, I'm curious why https://launchpad.net/people/doko/+specs includes canonical-support-categories. | 08:43 |
| jbailey | I don't see him on that spec, and I'm wondering if it's' somehow blending my specs and his on that page. | 08:43 |
| jbailey | Oh, he's in the subscriber set. That's why. | 08:44 |
| bradb | BjornT: Is it okay to use database classes directly in vocabulary code? | 08:48 |
| kiko | it's okay but you go to jail afterwards :) | 08:50 |
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| heno | anyone have any experience with importing ODF files to Rosetta? Via docbook perhaps? I'm looking to translate some example-content for Ubuntu | 09:23 |
| heno | I guess the docteam already import docbook files right? | 09:24 |
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| mdke_ | heno: rosetta needs gettext pot files, you have to have a toolchain for converting to that... | 10:02 |
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| heno | ok, thanks | 10:02 |
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| kiko | cprov, I haven't seen you had landed my fix for the timeout HTTP stuff! good on you! | 10:59 |
| cprov | kiko: was in my small-fixes, did I comment it properly ? I don't remember. | 11:00 |
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