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| msyg|sleepy | good night @ all =) | 12:41 |
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| coz_ | evening all | 01:59 |
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| troy_s | please don't request wallpapers mailed to the mailing list. | 06:20 |
| troy_s | samples relevant to the given development phase are great, though. | 06:21 |
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| kwwii | moin | 06:42 |
| kwwii | troy_s: ping? | 06:42 |
| troy_s | greets kwwii | 06:42 |
| troy_s | sorry... thanks for the flash | 06:42 |
| kwwii | hehe | 06:42 |
| kwwii | moin moin | 06:42 |
| troy_s | emailing... hold a second. | 06:42 |
| kwwii | can you try something for me? | 06:43 |
| kwwii | I am still getting an oops when I try to rename the specs | 06:43 |
| kwwii | for instance, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-art-login-manager should become https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-login-manager-art | 06:44 |
| kwwii | I think that launchpad hates me | 06:48 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 06:48 |
| jsgotangco | have you asked for help in the launchpad channel? | 06:48 |
| kwwii | yepp, and I made a bug | 06:52 |
| kwwii | I get an oops every time | 06:53 |
| kwwii | and the bug was set to "fix committed" | 06:53 |
| kwwii | I question is this: does fix committed mean it should be fixed or that it will be fixed sometime in the future? | 06:53 |
| kwwii | I just woke up though...wanted to drink a coffee before joining the channel again :p | 06:54 |
| troy_s | erk. | 06:55 |
| troy_s | i think i have tried that with the same results. | 06:55 |
| troy_s | by the way ken, you really need to stimulate some Kubuntu development by at the very least plopping some | 06:56 |
| troy_s | design issues into the relevant spec | 06:56 |
| kwwii | troy_s: yeah, I have actually started...we have a paradigm page underway, but the situation makes it kinda hard | 06:58 |
| kwwii | I was hoping to figure out how to place the kubuntu artwork in a direct parallel to ubuntu, but I guess that is not going to work | 06:59 |
| kwwii | ok, it will take a week or so for the changes to go into effect | 07:06 |
| troy_s | well i think parallel is gret | 07:06 |
| troy_s | great | 07:06 |
| troy_s | but the distinctive element is more of a subclass (as in implementation details) | 07:07 |
| kwwii | I found that someone had created this page (so I edited it as best I could): https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtworkParadigm | 07:07 |
| troy_s | where is the paradigm page? | 07:07 |
| troy_s | I don't believe that "Human" clearly defines "Gnome", nor should it. | 07:09 |
| troy_s | And it would probably be very useful to have such an analagous thought for Kubuntu. | 07:09 |
| troy_s | "Crystal" doesn't exactly connote a visual palette, if you know what I mean. Further still... crystal is part of KDE, and KDE is a wm, as opposed to an entire operating system. | 07:11 |
| troy_s | Also, when is frank back kwwii? | 07:11 |
| troy_s | Because you guys need to sort out A) the formal specification title approach with documentation on the wiki (as in a howto extension) | 07:13 |
| troy_s | and B) the proper mailing list procedure with 'offtopic' etc. | 07:13 |
| troy_s | those are both basically sabdfl needs. | 07:13 |
| kwwii | frank should be back soon | 07:14 |
| kwwii | Human has nothing to do with gnome, it is pure ubuntu | 07:14 |
| kwwii | and gnome has nothing like this | 07:14 |
| kwwii | but kde already did | 07:14 |
| kwwii | and crystal does have a palette, and a style, etc, | 07:15 |
| troy_s | yes... so perhaps extending crystal to more of a kubuntu thematic or vice versa? | 07:15 |
| kwwii | the hardest part is that we only have one or two people working on kubuntu | 07:15 |
| kwwii | yepp, that is my idea | 07:15 |
| troy_s | Kubuntu needs to be distinctive, which means it really needs those damn paradigms. | 07:15 |
| troy_s | philosophy | 07:15 |
| troy_s | etc. | 07:15 |
| kwwii | but crystal is going away in the next release | 07:15 |
| troy_s | Yeah well one or two, but the bottom line is that there are some pretty good folks on the list. Not a horrible starting point. | 07:16 |
| troy_s | Sure... | 07:16 |
| troy_s | but then you intend to build on oxygen | 07:16 |
| troy_s | which means localizing a motif that oxygen fits with | 07:16 |
| kwwii | yepp | 07:16 |
| troy_s | Human is great because it really connotes a good deal, and when you couple that with the Ubuntu code of conduct, you get a pretty clear picture. | 07:16 |
| troy_s | As per Frank's philosophy page. | 07:17 |
| kwwii | actually, stylistically human is just a word which means nothing to me in an art sense | 07:17 |
| troy_s | Really? | 07:17 |
| kwwii | and that philosophy page is kinda neat, but I could replace "human" with any other word and get the same thing out of it | 07:18 |
| kwwii | or the other way around | 07:18 |
| troy_s | I would beg to differ on that actually. I find it to be a very useful starting point. Of course, one must elaborate on it with the fact that Ubuntu has a 'philosophy' and a code of conduct. | 07:18 |
| kwwii | it is a usefull starting point, I agree | 07:18 |
| troy_s | Human implies an awful lot. | 07:18 |
| troy_s | Which again, is a very useful artistic term. As one can clearly see if you choose 'Acid' instead of human | 07:18 |
| troy_s | etc. | 07:18 |
| troy_s | I guess the hard questions are: | 07:19 |
| troy_s | 1) Is Kubuntu part of the Ubuntu spirit / mandate / philosophy. | 07:19 |
| troy_s | 2) Is Kubuntu subject to the code of conduct, etc? | 07:19 |
| troy_s | and build outwards from there. | 07:19 |
| troy_s | On the existing stylistic tendency or what have you. | 07:19 |
| kwwii | well, that philosophy page seems to take the ideas already behind ubuntu and say Ubuntu is like that...if I were to make one for kubuntu it would sound funky and be pretty much a cut and paste of most of that stuff | 07:19 |
| troy_s | Personally, i love your idea for a violet hue. | 07:19 |
| troy_s | Hey that's great too. | 07:20 |
| troy_s | At least people have a starting point. | 07:20 |
| kwwii | true | 07:20 |
| troy_s | You can't build a house without a foundation. | 07:20 |
| troy_s | If you would like to see it head towards a magenta tone or what have you, you will need some sort of stylistic tendency to bring it really along. | 07:20 |
| troy_s | Could be very powerful. | 07:21 |
| kwwii | I guess that my biggest problem is that I get caught up in the implementation too often | 07:21 |
| troy_s | I think violet is a rocking idea though. | 07:21 |
| kwwii | if it would only fit to the kubuntu logo :-) | 07:21 |
| troy_s | Yes... but remember, if you were building a rocket ship you probably wouldn't start out by pounding rivets into sheet metal. | 07:21 |
| kwwii | somewhat tricky but doable | 07:21 |
| kwwii | hehe | 07:21 |
| kwwii | yeah | 07:21 |
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| kwwii | I gotta get my kid ready for school...brb | 07:22 |
| troy_s | cool | 07:23 |
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| troy_s | kwwii, out for night. Be good my brother. | 07:32 |
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| kwwii | troy_s: sleep well, see you tomorrow | 07:36 |
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| troy_s | greetz Madpilot | 08:42 |
| Madpilot | hi troy_s | 08:42 |
| Madpilot | Who's SVG version of the fyre wallpaper is pretty cool | 08:48 |
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| lapo | hi | 11:39 |
| msikma_ | I hate SVG wallpapers (the ones that I've seen). | 11:54 |
| msikma_ | I just find that nobody is able to fully work around the lack of distinct control that one loses when working with vectors. | 11:54 |
| msikma_ | But I'd love to see SVG wallpapers that do this. | 11:54 |
| klepas | msikma_: sure :) | 12:20 |
| lapo | msikma_ : apt-get gnome-backgrounds | 12:33 |
| lapo | msikma_: I'm quite happy on how tentacles and ellipses came along | 12:35 |
| lapo | the problem is that with current gnome svg renderer when you use alpha you get a log of banding | 12:38 |
| lapo | lot | 12:38 |
| lapo | In tentacles for example I had to add some elements (the shaded circles) to hide the banding | 12:39 |
| lapo | btw svg is really not good for wallpapers, in gnome bg we goes that way to have a lighter package since svgs are a lot smaller then bitmaps | 12:40 |
| msikma_ | klepas: what do you mean, sure? | 12:47 |
| klepas | great svg wallpapers are definitely in existance | 12:55 |
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| kwwii | anyone know where to find a nice vector of a map (of the whole earth)? | 02:18 |
| lapo | kwwii: you need to do a globe icon right? :-) | 03:05 |
| kwwii | lapo: actually, I was playing around with a wallpaper | 03:06 |
| lapo | kwwii: would you like to pizzas? ghghghghgh, nice match tho a looooot better then france-portugal last night :-) | 03:07 |
| lapo | s/to/two/ | 03:07 |
| kwwii | hehe | 03:07 |
| kwwii | I am guessing that france will win the whole thing now | 03:07 |
| lapo | kwwii: I would be not that sure :- | 03:08 |
| lapo | :-) | 03:08 |
| kwwii | :-) | 03:08 |
| kwwii | i would rather see italy win, but I am somewhat skeptical | 03:08 |
| lapo | mee too, but you never know | 03:09 |
| kwwii | as long as it is not a boring match, it really doesn't matter I guess | 03:10 |
| kwwii | may the best team win | 03:10 |
| lapo | thanks, we will try to :-) | 03:10 |
| kwwii | :p | 03:11 |
| lapo | kwwii: for the svg maps, check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blank_maps | 03:12 |
| lapo | kwwii: this one for example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/World_map_pol_2005_v02.svg | 03:14 |
| kwwii | lapo: thanks for the link | 03:14 |
| lapo | np | 03:14 |
| msikma_ | Bah, slow e-mail day... I'm so lonely. | 03:54 |
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| klepas | msikma_: ping | 05:59 |
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| mhb | hello everyone | 09:36 |
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| kwwii | hi mhb | 10:09 |
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