=== kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:41] good night @ all =) === andreasn [n=andreas@h44n2fls34o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@c-71-236-91-89.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:59] evening all === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:20] please don't request wallpapers mailed to the mailing list. [06:21] samples relevant to the given development phase are great, though. === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:42] moin [06:42] troy_s: ping? [06:42] greets kwwii [06:42] sorry... thanks for the flash [06:42] hehe [06:42] moin moin [06:42] emailing... hold a second. [06:43] can you try something for me? [06:43] I am still getting an oops when I try to rename the specs [06:44] for instance, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-art-login-manager should become https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-login-manager-art [06:48] I think that launchpad hates me [06:48] hmmm [06:48] have you asked for help in the launchpad channel? [06:52] yepp, and I made a bug [06:53] I get an oops every time [06:53] and the bug was set to "fix committed" [06:53] I question is this: does fix committed mean it should be fixed or that it will be fixed sometime in the future? [06:54] I just woke up though...wanted to drink a coffee before joining the channel again :p [06:55] erk. [06:55] i think i have tried that with the same results. [06:56] by the way ken, you really need to stimulate some Kubuntu development by at the very least plopping some [06:56] design issues into the relevant spec [06:58] troy_s: yeah, I have actually started...we have a paradigm page underway, but the situation makes it kinda hard [06:59] I was hoping to figure out how to place the kubuntu artwork in a direct parallel to ubuntu, but I guess that is not going to work [07:06] ok, it will take a week or so for the changes to go into effect [07:06] well i think parallel is gret [07:06] great [07:07] but the distinctive element is more of a subclass (as in implementation details) [07:07] I found that someone had created this page (so I edited it as best I could): https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtworkParadigm [07:07] where is the paradigm page? [07:09] I don't believe that "Human" clearly defines "Gnome", nor should it. [07:09] And it would probably be very useful to have such an analagous thought for Kubuntu. [07:11] "Crystal" doesn't exactly connote a visual palette, if you know what I mean. Further still... crystal is part of KDE, and KDE is a wm, as opposed to an entire operating system. [07:11] Also, when is frank back kwwii? [07:13] Because you guys need to sort out A) the formal specification title approach with documentation on the wiki (as in a howto extension) [07:13] and B) the proper mailing list procedure with 'offtopic' etc. [07:13] those are both basically sabdfl needs. [07:14] frank should be back soon [07:14] Human has nothing to do with gnome, it is pure ubuntu [07:14] and gnome has nothing like this [07:14] but kde already did [07:15] and crystal does have a palette, and a style, etc, [07:15] yes... so perhaps extending crystal to more of a kubuntu thematic or vice versa? [07:15] the hardest part is that we only have one or two people working on kubuntu [07:15] yepp, that is my idea [07:15] Kubuntu needs to be distinctive, which means it really needs those damn paradigms. [07:15] philosophy [07:15] etc. [07:15] but crystal is going away in the next release [07:16] Yeah well one or two, but the bottom line is that there are some pretty good folks on the list. Not a horrible starting point. [07:16] Sure... [07:16] but then you intend to build on oxygen [07:16] which means localizing a motif that oxygen fits with [07:16] yepp [07:16] Human is great because it really connotes a good deal, and when you couple that with the Ubuntu code of conduct, you get a pretty clear picture. [07:17] As per Frank's philosophy page. [07:17] actually, stylistically human is just a word which means nothing to me in an art sense [07:17] Really? [07:18] and that philosophy page is kinda neat, but I could replace "human" with any other word and get the same thing out of it [07:18] or the other way around [07:18] I would beg to differ on that actually. I find it to be a very useful starting point. Of course, one must elaborate on it with the fact that Ubuntu has a 'philosophy' and a code of conduct. [07:18] it is a usefull starting point, I agree [07:18] Human implies an awful lot. [07:18] Which again, is a very useful artistic term. As one can clearly see if you choose 'Acid' instead of human [07:18] etc. [07:19] I guess the hard questions are: [07:19] 1) Is Kubuntu part of the Ubuntu spirit / mandate / philosophy. [07:19] 2) Is Kubuntu subject to the code of conduct, etc? [07:19] and build outwards from there. [07:19] On the existing stylistic tendency or what have you. [07:19] well, that philosophy page seems to take the ideas already behind ubuntu and say Ubuntu is like that...if I were to make one for kubuntu it would sound funky and be pretty much a cut and paste of most of that stuff [07:19] Personally, i love your idea for a violet hue. [07:20] Hey that's great too. [07:20] At least people have a starting point. [07:20] true [07:20] You can't build a house without a foundation. [07:20] If you would like to see it head towards a magenta tone or what have you, you will need some sort of stylistic tendency to bring it really along. [07:21] Could be very powerful. [07:21] I guess that my biggest problem is that I get caught up in the implementation too often [07:21] I think violet is a rocking idea though. [07:21] if it would only fit to the kubuntu logo :-) [07:21] Yes... but remember, if you were building a rocket ship you probably wouldn't start out by pounding rivets into sheet metal. [07:21] somewhat tricky but doable [07:21] hehe [07:21] yeah === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [07:22] I gotta get my kid ready for school...brb [07:23] cool === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:32] kwwii, out for night. Be good my brother. === msikma [n=msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:36] troy_s: sleep well, see you tomorrow === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:42] greetz Madpilot [08:42] hi troy_s [08:48] Who's SVG version of the fyre wallpaper is pretty cool === jsgotangco loves svg wallpapers === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === msyg|sleepy is now known as waky|off === waky|off is now known as msyg|sleepy === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lapo [n=lapo@host238-223-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:39] hi [11:54] I hate SVG wallpapers (the ones that I've seen). [11:54] I just find that nobody is able to fully work around the lack of distinct control that one loses when working with vectors. [11:54] But I'd love to see SVG wallpapers that do this. [12:20] msikma_: sure :) [12:33] msikma_ : apt-get gnome-backgrounds [12:35] msikma_: I'm quite happy on how tentacles and ellipses came along [12:38] the problem is that with current gnome svg renderer when you use alpha you get a log of banding [12:38] lot [12:39] In tentacles for example I had to add some elements (the shaded circles) to hide the banding [12:40] btw svg is really not good for wallpapers, in gnome bg we goes that way to have a lighter package since svgs are a lot smaller then bitmaps [12:47] klepas: what do you mean, sure? [12:55] great svg wallpapers are definitely in existance === jimmac [n=jimmac@dsl-tn-1-249.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jimmac [n=jimmac@dsl-tn-1-249.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:18] anyone know where to find a nice vector of a map (of the whole earth)? [03:05] kwwii: you need to do a globe icon right? :-) [03:06] lapo: actually, I was playing around with a wallpaper [03:07] kwwii: would you like to pizzas? ghghghghgh, nice match tho a looooot better then france-portugal last night :-) [03:07] s/to/two/ [03:07] hehe [03:07] I am guessing that france will win the whole thing now [03:08] kwwii: I would be not that sure :- [03:08] :-) [03:08] :-) [03:08] i would rather see italy win, but I am somewhat skeptical [03:09] mee too, but you never know [03:10] as long as it is not a boring match, it really doesn't matter I guess [03:10] may the best team win [03:10] thanks, we will try to :-) [03:11] :p [03:12] kwwii: for the svg maps, check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blank_maps [03:14] kwwii: this one for example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/World_map_pol_2005_v02.svg [03:14] lapo: thanks for the link [03:14] np [03:54] Bah, slow e-mail day... 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