[12:41] <msyg|sleepy> good night @ all =)
[01:59] <coz_> evening all
[06:20] <troy_s> please don't request wallpapers mailed to the mailing list.
[06:21] <troy_s> samples relevant to the given development phase are great, though.
[06:42] <kwwii> moin
[06:42] <kwwii> troy_s: ping?
[06:42] <troy_s> greets kwwii
[06:42] <troy_s> sorry... thanks for the flash
[06:42] <kwwii> hehe
[06:42] <kwwii> moin moin
[06:42] <troy_s> emailing... hold a second.
[06:43] <kwwii> can you try something for me?
[06:43] <kwwii> I am still getting an oops when I try to rename the specs
[06:44] <kwwii> for instance, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-art-login-manager should become https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-login-manager-art
[06:48] <kwwii> I think that launchpad hates me
[06:48] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[06:48] <jsgotangco> have you asked for help in the launchpad channel?
[06:52] <kwwii> yepp, and I made a bug
[06:53] <kwwii> I get an oops every time
[06:53] <kwwii> and the bug was set to "fix committed"
[06:53] <kwwii> I question is this: does fix committed mean it should be fixed or that it will be fixed sometime in the future?
[06:54] <kwwii> I just woke up though...wanted to drink a coffee before joining the channel again :p
[06:55] <troy_s> erk.
[06:55] <troy_s> i think i have tried that with the same results.
[06:56] <troy_s> by the way ken, you really need to stimulate some Kubuntu development by at the very least plopping some
[06:56] <troy_s> design issues into the relevant spec
[06:58] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I have actually started...we have a paradigm page underway, but the situation makes it kinda hard
[06:59] <kwwii> I was hoping to figure out how to place the kubuntu artwork in a direct parallel to ubuntu, but I guess that is not going to work
[07:06] <kwwii> ok, it will take a week or so for the changes to go into effect
[07:06] <troy_s> well i think parallel is gret
[07:06] <troy_s> great
[07:07] <troy_s> but the distinctive element is more of a subclass (as in implementation details)
[07:07] <kwwii> I found that someone had created this page (so I edited it as best I could): https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtworkParadigm
[07:07] <troy_s> where is the paradigm page?
[07:09] <troy_s> I don't believe that "Human" clearly defines "Gnome", nor should it.
[07:09] <troy_s> And it would probably be very useful to have such an analagous thought for Kubuntu.
[07:11] <troy_s> "Crystal" doesn't exactly connote a visual palette, if you know what I mean.  Further still... crystal is part of KDE, and KDE is a wm, as opposed to an entire operating system.
[07:11] <troy_s> Also, when is frank back kwwii?
[07:13] <troy_s> Because you guys need to sort out A) the formal specification title approach with documentation on the wiki (as in a howto extension)
[07:13] <troy_s> and B) the proper mailing list procedure with 'offtopic' etc.
[07:13] <troy_s> those are both basically sabdfl needs.
[07:14] <kwwii> frank should be back soon
[07:14] <kwwii> Human has nothing to do with gnome, it is pure ubuntu
[07:14] <kwwii> and gnome has nothing like this
[07:14] <kwwii> but kde already did
[07:15] <kwwii> and crystal does have a palette, and a style, etc,
[07:15] <troy_s> yes... so perhaps extending crystal to more of a kubuntu thematic or vice versa?
[07:15] <kwwii> the hardest part is that we only have one or two people working on kubuntu
[07:15] <kwwii> yepp, that is my idea
[07:15] <troy_s> Kubuntu needs to be distinctive, which means it really needs those damn paradigms.
[07:15] <troy_s> philosophy
[07:15] <troy_s> etc.
[07:15] <kwwii> but crystal is going away in the next release
[07:16] <troy_s> Yeah well one or two, but the bottom line is that there are some pretty good folks on the list.  Not a horrible starting point.
[07:16] <troy_s> Sure...
[07:16] <troy_s> but then you intend to build on oxygen
[07:16] <troy_s> which means localizing a motif that oxygen fits with
[07:16] <kwwii> yepp
[07:16] <troy_s> Human is great because it really connotes a good deal, and when you couple that with the Ubuntu code of conduct, you get a pretty clear picture.
[07:17] <troy_s> As per Frank's philosophy page.
[07:17] <kwwii> actually, stylistically human is just a word which means nothing to me in an art sense
[07:17] <troy_s> Really?
[07:18] <kwwii> and that philosophy page is kinda neat, but I could replace "human" with any other word and get the same thing out of it
[07:18] <kwwii> or the other way around
[07:18] <troy_s> I would beg to differ on that actually.  I find it to be a very useful starting point.  Of course, one must elaborate on it with the fact that Ubuntu has a 'philosophy' and a code of conduct.
[07:18] <kwwii> it is a usefull starting point, I agree
[07:18] <troy_s> Human implies an awful lot.
[07:18] <troy_s> Which again, is a very useful artistic term.  As one can clearly see if you choose 'Acid' instead of human
[07:18] <troy_s> etc.
[07:19] <troy_s> I guess the hard questions are:
[07:19] <troy_s> 1) Is Kubuntu part of the Ubuntu spirit / mandate / philosophy.
[07:19] <troy_s> 2) Is Kubuntu subject to the code of conduct, etc?
[07:19] <troy_s> and build outwards from there.
[07:19] <troy_s> On the existing stylistic tendency or what have you.
[07:19] <kwwii> well, that philosophy page seems to take the ideas already behind ubuntu and say Ubuntu is like that...if I were to make one for kubuntu it would sound funky and be pretty much a cut and paste of most of that stuff
[07:19] <troy_s> Personally, i love your idea for a violet hue.
[07:20] <troy_s> Hey that's great too.
[07:20] <troy_s> At least people have a starting point.
[07:20] <kwwii> true
[07:20] <troy_s> You can't build a house without a foundation.
[07:20] <troy_s> If you would like to see it head towards a magenta tone or what have you, you will need some sort of stylistic tendency to bring it really along.
[07:21] <troy_s> Could be very powerful.
[07:21] <kwwii> I guess that my biggest problem is that I get caught up in the implementation too often
[07:21] <troy_s> I think violet is a rocking idea though.
[07:21] <kwwii> if it would only fit to the kubuntu logo :-)
[07:21] <troy_s> Yes... but remember, if you were building a rocket ship you probably wouldn't start out by pounding rivets into sheet metal.
[07:21] <kwwii> somewhat tricky but doable
[07:21] <kwwii> hehe
[07:21] <kwwii> yeah
[07:22] <kwwii> I gotta get my kid ready for school...brb
[07:23] <troy_s> cool
[07:32] <troy_s> kwwii, out for night.  Be good my brother.
[07:36] <kwwii> troy_s: sleep well, see you tomorrow
[08:42] <troy_s> greetz Madpilot
[08:42] <Madpilot> hi troy_s
[08:48] <Madpilot> Who's SVG version of the fyre wallpaper is pretty cool
[11:39] <lapo> hi
[11:54] <msikma_> I hate SVG wallpapers (the ones that I've seen).
[11:54] <msikma_> I just find that nobody is able to fully work around the lack of distinct control that one loses when working with vectors.
[11:54] <msikma_> But I'd love to see SVG wallpapers that do this.
[12:20] <klepas> msikma_: sure :)
[12:33] <lapo> msikma_ : apt-get gnome-backgrounds
[12:35] <lapo> msikma_: I'm quite happy on how tentacles and ellipses came along
[12:38] <lapo> the problem is that with current gnome svg renderer when you use alpha you get a log of banding
[12:38] <lapo> lot
[12:39] <lapo> In tentacles for example I had to add some elements (the shaded circles) to hide the banding
[12:40] <lapo> btw svg is really not good for wallpapers, in gnome bg we goes that way to have a lighter package since svgs are a lot smaller then bitmaps
[12:47] <msikma_> klepas: what do you mean, sure?
[12:55] <klepas> great svg wallpapers are definitely in existance
[02:18] <kwwii> anyone know where to find a nice vector of a map (of the whole earth)?
[03:05] <lapo> kwwii: you need to do a globe icon right? :-)
[03:06] <kwwii> lapo: actually, I was playing around with a wallpaper
[03:07] <lapo> kwwii: would you like to pizzas? ghghghghgh, nice match tho a looooot better then france-portugal last night :-)
[03:07] <lapo> s/to/two/
[03:07] <kwwii> hehe
[03:07] <kwwii> I am guessing that france will win the whole thing now
[03:08] <lapo> kwwii: I would be not that sure :-
[03:08] <lapo> :-)
[03:08] <kwwii> :-)
[03:08] <kwwii> i would rather see italy win, but I am somewhat skeptical
[03:09] <lapo> mee too, but you never know
[03:10] <kwwii> as long as it is not a boring match, it really doesn't matter I guess
[03:10] <kwwii> may the best team win
[03:10] <lapo> thanks, we will try to :-)
[03:11] <kwwii> :p
[03:12] <lapo> kwwii: for the svg maps, check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blank_maps
[03:14] <lapo> kwwii: this one for example http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/World_map_pol_2005_v02.svg
[03:14] <kwwii> lapo: thanks for the link
[03:14] <lapo> np
[03:54] <msikma_> Bah, slow e-mail day... I'm so lonely.
[05:59] <klepas> msikma_: ping
[09:36] <mhb> hello everyone
[10:09] <kwwii> hi mhb