[12:06] Ah fair enough. === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] UVF is next week?! [12:19] yes [12:19] week tomorrow [12:19] effectively a week from now, in fact [12:20] do we even have a building build system yet [12:20] ...nevermind [12:20] at the moment, yes [12:20] don't stare at it too hard though === LaserJock looks away === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] sladen, dapper ran long, edgy is a 4 month cycle only [12:28] ergo 6.06 "Late To Ship" [12:28] lol [12:28] now I know why that LTS was there ;-) [12:28] Keybuk, you wish. :) [12:28] Keybuk: what's the name of that user style firefox extension you suggested? "stylish"? [12:28] stylish = greasemonkey for css [12:28] Keybuk, that'd save you from fixing weird dapper bugs for paying customers. ;) [12:28] yes [12:28] https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2108/ [12:29] thanks [12:29] Keybuk: where's that LP thing you did for stylish? 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[01:51] the queue builder took three minutes [01:51] that's more like it! === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.108.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-10-127.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@150233.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-76-213.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.14.253] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ghee22 [n=parag@host-24-225-182-38.patmedia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgould [n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Dr4g [n=Dr4g@82-40-41-3.cable.ubr06.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] btw, does anyone know an easy way to reply back to a specific digest message without screwing up the threading? === epx [n=epx@201008247203.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Fui] === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === scundi [n=jundir@137.111.165.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === patwack [n=paddy@cpc1-blfs4-0-0-cust960.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] hi all [04:08] hi jdub [04:16] hey Hobbsee [04:17] jdub: i didnt *quite* get killed :P === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] haha === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@150233.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] Hello [04:25] Can I change #51881 to critical [04:25] bddebian: I was just thinking about you [04:25] Keybuk: Uh oh, what did I do now? [04:25] I mean seriously, I just got another font package that went nuts on me [04:25] jdub: what's your preferred email address for requests for speaking at shows/cons? [04:27] bddebian: sync requests :p [04:27] Keybuk: Did I screw one up again? [04:27] nope [04:29] whiprush: depends on the context ;) [04:29] whiprush: i've applied for ohio btw [04:30] oh, one of the planners just mailed me, I just wanted to make sure I linked you guys up. === whiprush adjusts the mail accordingly. [04:31] is there any special reasons why uniq has actually had features removed from version 5.2 to 5.93? (breezy- dapper) === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] WAY OT: But have any of you heard of any EDI Translators for GNU/Linux? [04:51] Thanks Keybuk :-) === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] Setting up xfonts-intl-european (1.2.1-6ubuntu1) ... <-- this is main, right? [05:17] jdub: hang on, phone died :p [05:17] heh [05:17] 1:17 in one call ;) === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:18] oh jeez, people are digging ubuntu specs now [05:18] k, calling again [05:18] you know its crazy when... [05:18] uh, call again even [05:18] (I don't have your sip address in my book yet) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] good morning [05:22] hi jsgotangco [05:24] hi jsgotangco === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.243.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-105-165-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] http://www.nowcast.co.uk/lightning/index.htm [06:04] jdub: ^ [06:07] btw, thanks for the quick headset test === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] Keybuk: ;) [06:21] woo, so the thunderstorm we've been promised for 24 hours looks to be finally on its way! === Snake [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] jdub: so, f-spot is cute then === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-107.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.108.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_away [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@user-0ccetig.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:04] how does one file a bug against malone? [07:05] shaya: http://launchpad.net/products/malone/+filebug [07:05] at a guess [07:07] yea [07:07] figrued it out [07:07] painful to search for bugs on malone :( [07:07] unsure how to word the bug [07:07] oh well [07:08] I'll sleep on it === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukkett1 [n=lukketto@host178-159.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukkett1 [n=lukketto@host178-159.pool871.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lukkett1 [n=lukketto@host178-159.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@150233.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] hmm, I'm attempting to dput alsa-utils_1.0.11-5ubuntu1_source.changes, and I'm receiving "Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused')". Known issue? [08:16] (tried from two different hosts on different ISPs) [08:17] crimsun: i got that once, tried again, it went away. not much help, i know [08:17] yeah, I'll try again in ~10 mins. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] morning === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] 'morning fabbione === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] hi fabbione [08:28] http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/commercials/2206/ [08:29] ^ I do like that advert ... pretty much every F1 race has it in one break === Hobbsee waves to Keybuk [08:30] morning [08:30] afternoon :P [08:30] hello [08:30] Keybuk: hi, hate to bother you this early, but is the ftpd running on upload.u.c? [08:30] crimsun: probably [08:30] why? [08:31] are you getting connection refused? [08:31] "Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused') [08:31] me too [08:31] so that would be "no" then === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] that requires admin intervention :-/ [08:32] Keybuk: ok, thanks === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@150233.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] hmm [08:34] maybe it doesn't [08:34] this will be ugly, but [08:35] ok, we should have an FTP daemon again [08:36] indeed, thanks again === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2249.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] good morning [08:43] hey dholbach! [08:43] morning dholbach [08:43] heya Hobbsee, fabbione! [08:45] hi dholbach! === rpedro__ [n=rpedro@87-196-97-180.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.109.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] Good morning [09:13] hi pitti! === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjrauhal@myntti.helsinki.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] hi Hobbsee [09:18] <\sh> moins [09:19] hi \sh [09:19] \sh: Guten Morgen! === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] <\sh> pitti: how's the weather at your place? still raining or still hot like hell? ;) === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivan [n=sivan@85.65.210.12.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] morning all [09:23] \sh: the latter [09:23] hi sivan [09:23] hey pitti [09:23] <\sh> moins sivan [09:23] MoinMoin \sh :) [09:23] <\sh> sivan: I heard some rumours from raphink that he had lunch with your roomate? :) [09:24] \sh: hahah, amazing, isn't it? :-) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] speaking of the devil :p [09:24] hehe [09:25] morning raphink === Hobbsee wonders if sivan and sivang are the same person on two machines, or different. [09:25] <\sh> sivan: yeah...ubuntu is everywhere :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] hi sivan :) [09:25] :) [09:26] sivan : just saw shahar 5 mins ago, he just arrived ;) [09:26] raphink: hehe === sivan is also sivang on the muse. However muse doesn't respond to SSH again :-( [09:26] Riddell, sladen : ^^ === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-83-156.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] pitti: so, is Debian undergoing a C++ transition? [09:30] or has it recently completed one? [09:30] Keybuk: I think they fixed most of the c++ packages to build with g++ 4.1 [09:31] they've dropped the "c2a" from most of the package names [09:31] afaik you can only do that, if the soname changes in the meantime [09:31] i don't know if g++ 4.1 changes the abi [09:32] they haven't changed the soname [09:33] Keybuk: uh, example package? [09:34] libalps-light1c2a -> libalps-light1 [09:34] doko will know for sure [09:34] i thought gcc 4.1 was only "pickier" [09:35] Keybuk: I don't know, but 4.1 doesn't change the ABI [09:36] Keybuk: it might never have had a non c2a package in the archive in which it's fine to drop the c2a. === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] just wondered [09:37] after UVF, we'll probably have to do a cruft shakedown and rebuild === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] i assume it is known that .17-4 kernel postinstall is broken... [09:45] nope? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A61643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] hmmm [09:46] <\sh> Keybuk: oh fck.... [09:46] it didn't do a bunch of things... like the initrd, update grub menu and depmod [09:46] \sh: what did you break? [09:46] <\sh> Keybuk: alps-light1 and c2a missing...I have to set conflicts/replaces I think [09:47] \sh: hmm? [09:47] <\sh> Keybuk: if we had c2a in the name, and debian not...then I have to, no? [09:47] <\sh> Keybuk: and in dapper we had c2a in the name [09:48] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [09:48] libpango1.0-dev: Depends: libxft-dev but it is not going to be installed [09:48] hum [09:48] \sh: yes. [09:48] <\sh> fixing [09:50] hum [09:50] "x11-common: Conflicts: libxft-dev (<= 2.1.8.2-5) but 2.1.8.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed." === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.109.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] is somebody working on fixing x11-common? :) === antinobody [n=sean@71-214-89-116.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] <\sh> alps-light1 fixed === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk hugs Soyuz [09:56] you seem much happier today *pats it* === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] <\sh> Keybuk: btw...thx for the syncs :) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] libgtk2.0-dev: Depends: libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.10.0-2) but it is not going to be installed [09:57] seb128: ^ ? [09:57] seb128: it's going to take a few days to get all of X in shape [09:57] Keybuk: [09:57] "x11-common: Conflicts: libxft-dev (<= 2.1.8.2-5) but 2.1.8.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed." [09:58] is somebody working on fixing x11-common? :) [09:58] same thing? [09:58] yeah [09:58] libpango1.0-dev wants libxft-dev [09:58] seb128: it's going to take a few days to get all of X in shape <- [09:58] which refuses to be installed [09:58] fabbione: welcome to edgy :) [09:59] seb128: i didn't complain it was not working.. you are welcome to edgy :) [09:59] which means we will have nothing remotly GNOMish building for a days then? === seb128 goes to watch some TV then [09:59] :p [09:59] seb128: it depends from you too.. [09:59] rodrigo is doing his best, but there are still 100 or more pkgs... [10:00] sure, I don't blame anybody [10:00] so perhaps getting some help to do the libs will unleash gnome too [10:00] seb128: no, no TV ... MERGES [10:00] Keybuk: I can't build packages atm :p [10:00] seb128: and libs are like any other libs around :) [10:00] seb128: yes you can.. X libs [10:00] heh [10:00] seb128: build them on dapper? [10:00] seb128: or help out with the X merge? [10:00] Keybuk: the latter [10:00] fabbione: is there a roadmap or sequence? I'm happy to help out [10:00] Keybuk: I was joking for the TV; don't worry I've enough to do on my list too :) [10:01] crimsun: yes. [10:01] crimsun: #ubuntu-x for X merges [10:01] Keybuk: I'll keep doing GNOME merges and stack them for now [10:01] <\sh> seb128: you could help out with KDE === \sh hides [10:01] sure [10:01] let's break KDE === dholbach hands seb128 something heavy to throw at \sh [10:02] \sh: he was angry at me for weeks, when i touched kde packages [10:02] dholbach: I'm still :p [10:02] \sh: see [10:02] oh, wow, &batch=3000 does bad things to both LP and Firefox [10:03] <\sh> dholbach: I'm sorry for that...but I think you had a good reason for touching evil KDE packages...:) [10:03] \sh: seb128 didn't think so [10:03] I just think you have enough to do without trying to fix KDE yourself too :p [10:03] <\sh> seb128: be happy, france will be world soccer champion [10:04] <\sh> seb128: and let dholbach fix KDE ;) [10:04] so [10:05] how upset do you think LP will be if I do a mass give-back? :p === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F5C94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pounk [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] Keybuk: i was able to reproduce the kernel issue on ppc too. i will have to talk to Ben and zul [10:15] "the kernel issue" ? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] hi ivoks [10:16] hi [10:16] fabbione: ajmitch reproduced it on his amd64 (i think) laptop earlier too [10:17] pitti: hplip for edgy and dapper shouldn't just get backported :) [10:17] pitti: that source should provide different binarys for them [10:18] ivoks: I mean a manual backport, not the 'press the button and generate dapper-backports version' [10:18] :) === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-20-199.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger sighs. The new edgy kernel still oopses when trying to mount his root fs. [10:25] hunger: is it on a laptop with SATA->PATA bridge ? === simosx [n=simosx@134.219.176.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-253-223.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-100-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] grr @ merges which revert stuff needed for new X [10:36] if your merge looks like it needs new X, just leave it alone and do something else, don't revert the bits and then have to put them back again later === Norgz [n=eroux@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beezly [n=andy@terrapin.shef.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Kamion: which one this time? [10:39] Mithrandir: jnethack - I'm catching up on edgy-changes [10:39] -*-Mutt: =ubuntu/edgy-changes [Msgs:1244 New:288 Post:11 Inc:49 6.0M] ---(threads/date)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(81%)--- === nekohayo [n=jeff@bou78-2-82-240-45-164.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-66-37.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] Hobbsee: you have any idea if Riddell should come online soon? [10:43] seb128: what's the issue with this never-ending 'symbol for evolution-2.6 could not be found'? [10:43] pitti: what distro do you speak about, dapper? [10:43] seb128: edgy [10:43] edgy has evolution-2.8 afaik [10:43] sivan: none at all, i dont remember speaking to him last night either [10:44] not 2.6 [10:44] pitti: ELACKOFCONTEXT [10:44] seb128: well, I just did a daily dist-upgrade, and now my evo icon is broken [10:44] seb128: (since a few days ago) [10:44] and I repeatedly get this error message [10:44] ah, panel icon? [10:44] yes [10:44] you must point to 2.6 where the icon is name 2.8 now [10:45] hum, why doesnt it point to /usr/bin/evolution? [10:45] dholbach: the icon is the issue, not the link target [10:45] oh, wait [10:45] (as upstream is so fond of changing the name every now and then, even if they're not installalble in parallel) [10:45] if I click on it, it cannot execute 'evolution-2.6' === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] seb128: since I didn't do anything special with that, this might become a general dapper->edgy upgrade problem [10:46] pitti: is that a launchpad you created or the top panel stock one? [10:47] seb128: hm, if it doesn't happen for other people, maybe I removed it in the past and dragged it again to the panel from the menu === pitti removes it and re-drags from the menu [10:48] seb128: yes, now it points to evolution-2.8 and has the 2.8 icon [10:48] pitti: might me, we still have time before edgy, I'm sure somebody else will hit the issue if that's an upgrade issue :) [10:48] yep, we'll do upgrade tests anyway [10:49] pitti: BTW is there any language-pack update planned? due to the translation domain change evolution is 0% translated again... === sivan dist-upgrades [10:49] seb128: I'd like to, but carlos needs to enable edgy tarballs [10:49] seb128: so, next Monday he should be back from vac, then I hope we can do that [10:49] he promised me to look into it soon [10:49] is there a trick to tell to the buildd to not stip translations for that package? :) [10:50] strip [10:50] well, yes [10:50] like some variable to set or something? [10:50] seb128: NO_PKG_MANGLE=1 [10:50] seb128: it doesn't have time until next week? [10:51] it has, but if I do another upload I'll set that [10:52] it might weeks to carlos to get edgy on road === pitti wonders if supporting multiple versions at the same time is really worth all that upgrade and translation breakage [10:57] pitti: what do you mean? [10:58] seb128: appending the -version suffix everywhere instead of just /usr/bin/evolution, evolution.png for the icon, and evolution.mo [10:58] there is no translation breakage out of Ubuntu [10:58] we are the only one to strip translations out like that [10:59] did I ever mention http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg is SO cruel? I just accidently clicked it while checking the time of the DevTeam meeting today, and it just made me hurt :) [10:59] and they have a non-versionned binary and icon since previous cycle [10:59] sivan: NOT YOURS === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] Keybuk: mehhhhhhh ! But it's so cute! [11:00] \sh: merging X fonts before X is merged isn't the best idea in the world :P [11:00] seb128, is it intentional that evo asks for a keyring password now on every start ? thats pretty annoying [11:01] ogra: if it does that's probably because somebody hacked the feature [11:01] hmm... thne he/she should make it work right :) === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] ogra: feel free to bug upstream ;) [11:02] ogra: (or to use dapper) [11:02] <\sh> Kamion: well, am I too fast again? ;) [11:02] at lest is seems i can search my mailboxes without crashers again :) [11:05] ogra: I guess they uses gnome-keyring to manage password of your email account... I've the same thing here [11:06] so it asks your password to unlock the keyring and get your emails [11:06] \sh: yes [11:06] top tip, if it won't work yet, don't merge it [11:08] <\sh> Kamion: the xfonts worked yesterday evening ;) [11:08] Zdra, which is very annoying ... [11:09] \sh: at least some of the packages affected by 51881 were ones you merged [11:10] whats even more annoying is that its not upgrade safe at all ... you loose all your passwords for all your accounts [11:11] <\sh> Kamion: argl..ok [11:12] sh: if you are doing X please join #ubuntu-x and coordinate otherwise nothing is going to work [11:12] ogra: yes that's a problem... seb128: don't know if it's possible to import passwords from evo's config to gnome keyring in the upgrade ? === ploum [n=Ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] that's much a evo bug which should import him self [11:13] no idea [11:15] c [11:16] hmm, looks like dist-upgrading via dselect is broken ... === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] doko: only by dselect? [11:16] Reading package lists... Done [11:16] Building dependency tree [11:16] Reading state information... Done [11:16] and hangs with 100% CPU time [11:16] seb128: apt-get dist-upgrade works [11:17] weird [11:17] seb128: can you reproduce it? === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@221.221.153.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [i=winkle@suiko.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AFFF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] doko: right, does the same on my box [11:23] ok, submitting a report ... [11:29] mvo: bug 52074 [11:29] Malone bug 52074 in apt "apt-get -f dselect-upgrade hangs with 100% CPU time" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52074 [11:29] doko: mvo is on holidays [11:30] dholbach: I'll use apt-get dist-upgrade in the mean time [11:30] you want apt-get upgrade atm :) [11:30] dist-upgrade will remove half your system [11:30] ez gtk boog [11:31] tseng: not really [11:31] :D === dholbach larts tseng with passion === tseng hugs dholbach [11:31] . o O { he loves it } [11:32] haha === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A93DB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddelll [n=jr@82.138.218.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pounk [n=unpet@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@lns01-1668.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@87.65.109.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-234.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] Mithrandir: ping [12:07] tseng: hello [12:07] Mithrandir: hey [12:07] can I do a drop-ubuntu sync on openbox? [12:07] build-deps are in line in Debian now, i dont see any other glaring changes we need [12:08] tseng: yeah, should work fine, apart from it might very well end up ftbfs-ing due to X being all over the place atm, but I guess we'll solve that by a mass-give-back of doom. [12:08] right, will file the bug [12:08] thanks. === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee___ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] Keybuk: can you use your ubuntu-driver super powers to set a priority on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/sok ? === Hobbsee_1 [n=hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-234.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] Keybuk: Medium will do nicely :) === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-241-75.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] heno: done [12:15] Keybuk: thanks! [12:19] Keybuk, Mithrandir, fabbione: would any of you care to review sok and xubuntu-accessibility ? [12:19] these should really be on the edgy track [12:19] heno: if it can wait 30 minutes i can take one of them [12:20] i am in the need of food [12:20] heno: I don't really have the time right now I'm afraid [12:20] fabbione: great, thanks [12:20] I have a small stack of specs already, and I need to sleep at some point before the meeting [12:20] Keybuk: np, sleep well :) [12:22] iwj, Kinnison: either of you have time for a spec review today? === sivan notes he will also need some more review time for 2 specs today [12:27] sivang, poke? :) [12:27] pygi: hi === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-22-252.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] sivan, what's the review status ? :) [12:28] pygi: there's more stuff to fix, take a loot at both of the specs mdz and Keybuk have comments inline [12:28] ok, looking [12:29] system backup is out of edgy scope [12:29] we agreed on edgy+1 for that [12:29] pygi: Well, mvo noted it is something very easy to do, and what's proposed there is a very simple system backup, read on :) [12:30] yeah [12:30] pygi: it's far from being something complete or comprehensive. Just another step to make it easier to return a bit more closer to a previous system state. [12:30] sivan, ah :P [12:30] fabbione: do you have time to review https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-server-tasks ? [12:30] hmm, I wish mvo was here.. [12:31] the UI for the clean tool is libnotify baloon :P [12:33] pygi: you can't click anything inside one of those, or offer choices [12:33] pygi: not only, the kernel clean up (the highest priority use case for it) will need some sort of a treeview/list so users can choose to keep more then only the currently running and the previous kenrel. [12:33] Keybuk, indeed ^_^ When you click the baloon, the UI will appear :P [12:34] pygi: right... that's the UI that isn't specified [12:34] Kamion, isn't that something like Ubuntu Instant Server? [12:34] Keybuk, agreed ^-^ [12:34] pygi: never heard of it [12:34] Kamion, hm, sec,if it still exists [12:34] heno: Should be able to, yes. [12:34] Keybuk: I think there's some tests in the libnotify package that offer more then just one callback, as in choices [12:35] pygi: apparently does; Adam never mentioned it so I assume he hadn't heard of it either [12:35] iwj: great, thanks :) [12:35] Which one ? [12:35] pygi: this should obsolete the first half of ubuntu-instant-server-manager I guess; we already have all the mechanism mapped out [12:35] iwj: you can choose :) sok is much longer [12:35] so I'm not too interested in going back to the start again [12:36] Kamion, no worries, seems like u-i-s is mostly removed anyway :- [12:36] xubuntu-accessibility is almost informational in nature [12:36] pygi: shame about the duplication, but there you go [12:37] Kamion: yer [12:37] Kamion: yeps looking.. [12:37] Kamion, partly my fault probably [12:37] heno: I'll take sok for now. [12:37] heno: which one do you need first? [12:38] pygi: are you going to work on the specs? I intend to work on them in about 15 minutes, if you have any additoins or suggestion add inline like keybuk did and I'll merge stuff [12:38] fabbione: well, iwj is doing sok now, so if you could do xubuntu-a sometime today, that would be great [12:38] pygi: it didn't help that the spec was off on a random product rather than on /distros/ubuntu [12:38] Kamion,yes, I am aware of that [12:38] heno: sure.. i will do it in few mintues [12:39] sivan, will do, just not right now [12:39] Riddelll: around? are you able to log into muse ? [12:39] pygi: okay, then please let me know before as I may be editing it. [12:39] sivan, no worries :) [12:40] sivan: no, ssh has died === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] Riddelll: I see, well, I guess you're onto it already or should we wait for sladen ? :) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] sivang: he's awake now at least [12:44] Kamion: -> Pending Approval. [12:44] heno: checking xubuntu-a right now [12:45] Kamion, is the CC meeting scheduled yet? [12:46] heno: Looks pretty good. Just a couple of comments, see Review Comments in the wiki page. [12:46] iwj: great, thanks === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] heno: i think we need to work a bit in xubuntu-a and add a few more details [12:47] fabbione: thanks [12:48] fabbione: should it be made an informational spec you think? [12:48] heno: basically you need to think in a position like mine. I know absolutely nothing about accessibility and xubuntu. reading the spec i should be able to implement it. [12:48] ok [12:49] I'll look again from that perspective [12:49] heno: for example: package foo, move foo from universe to main, link xubuntu-terminal to library bar provided by foo to enable Sticky Keys (or whatever) [12:49] Seveas: is now, although mako never replied to my mail [12:49] heno: just as general guide line.. [12:49] I see [12:49] Kamion, gracias! [12:49] sounds good [12:49] heno: same goes for the LiveCD. I don't know what i should do if i was assigned this spec.. [12:49] Seveas: do you remember who does the meeting logs? [12:50] heno: perfect.. just ping me when you are ready for the next review [12:50] I *think* robitaille [12:50]