[10:40] <greenpete> Hi! Anyone home?
[10:41] <grenegar> greetings
[10:41] <greenpete> Hi there! I was hoping to get some help installing java runtime, can you help please?
[10:41] <tmarble> yes... at home ;-)
[10:41] <tmarble> which implementation
[10:41] <tmarble> ?
[10:42] <grenegar> for sun jre 'sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre'
[10:42] <greenpete> Am I in the right place?
[10:43] <greenpete> Ok I will try that, though I am struggling with command line stuff!
[10:43] <greenpete> Thanks!
[10:43] <tmarble> grenegar: saw you over on #ubuntu-server... is this for intel or sparc?
[10:44] <grenegar> for sparc
[10:44] <tmarble> ah... sorry to say we do not yet have Java available for Ubuntu/SPARC
[10:44] <grenegar> clarify: my posts on #ubuntu-server were for sparc. 
[10:45] <greenpete> Tells me it cant find package , even though some of it seems to go ok!
[10:45] <grenegar> greenpete: if you prefer synaptic just search for sun-java5-jre package
[10:45] <greenpete> ok will try now
[10:46] <tmarble> arch independent stuff will work, but not the -bin (arch dependent)
[10:46] <tmarble> thus it is not complete
[10:46] <tmarble> I am aware of the desire to have Java on Ubuntu/SPARC
[10:47] <grenegar> ah, i only installed this on i386 with apt-get (or synaptic)
[10:47] <tmarble> oh.. if you are interested in i386 or amd64 then that's OK...
[10:47] <greenpete> When you say synaptic, do you mean add/remove?
[10:48] <greenpete> I have an AMD Athlon
[10:48] <tmarble> FFI: https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html
[10:48] <grenegar> no, go to System, Adminitration, Synaptic Package Manager
[10:48] <tmarble> the issue about amd64, of course, is it is the 64-bit server compiler only (i.e. no client stuff like plugin for browsers)
[10:50] <greenpete> No go with synaptic. the search comes up with nothing :-( Will try https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html
[10:51] <grenegar> greenpete: if you can't find the package in synaptic then you need to add repositories: universe and multiverse
[10:52] <grenegar> in Synaptic go to Settings, Repositories
[10:52] <greenpete> Ha ha! It's getting tricky now! I'm following though! :-)
[10:52] <grenegar> select Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (binary)
[10:52] <tmarble> yeah.. I tried to simplify the directions fro adding suites... (this will get fixed in Edgy)
[10:53] <grenegar> hit Edit
[10:53] <grenegar> select all checks
[10:53] <grenegar> hit Reload in Synaptic
[10:53] <grenegar> then search for sun-java5-jre
[10:53] <greenpete> Waiting for reload....
[10:55] <greenpete> Still no go in synaptic :-(
[10:56] <tmarble> at the risk of showing you the really complex instructions... you might look at  https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu-dev.html
[10:58] <greenpete> Ok. My system is doing all sorts of updates and I'm not sure which I have asked for now! Will try the info you have given me so far and get through all of that, including https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu-dev.html!
[11:05] <greenpete> Seems to be downloading now! From Add/remove programs.....fingers crossed!
[11:06] <tmarble> you are on a SS20 (amd64), right?
[11:08] <greenpete> I have an AMD Athlon, if thats what you mean?
[11:08] <tmarble> yep
[11:08] <tmarble> oops, no I was wondering if it was an opteron (sorry for the confusion)
[11:10] <tmarble> wait.. athlon is another marketing name for the consumer version of the opteron... so it should be amd64
[11:11] <greenpete> I now have it installed acording to add/remove programs, but still I cannot view java in Firefox! :-(
[11:12] <greenpete> Any thoughts....?
[11:13] <tmarble> can you copy the output of uname -a here?
[11:13] <greenpete> ??
[11:14] <tmarble> from the Accessories menu, choose Terminal
[11:14] <tmarble> then type: uname -a
[11:15] <greenpete> Linux Big 2.6.15-25-386 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 14 11:25:49 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:15] <greenpete> What does all that mean? I know that 'Big' is the name I gave my PC
[11:16] <tmarble> yep.. Big is your name
[11:16] <greenpete> And the rest?
[11:16] <tmarble> in the terminal window type: man uname
[11:16] <tmarble> for a full explanation
[11:16] <greenpete> Does it help you with my problem?
[11:16] <tmarble> so try this... go into Synaptic and search for sun-java5
[11:17] <tmarble> check the package called sun-java5-plugin
[11:17] <tmarble> then apply
[11:17] <greenpete> Ok
[11:17] <tmarble> after that completes, you will need to exit/restart firefox
[11:17] <greenpete> Ok
[11:17] <tmarble> then in the URL window, type: about:plugins
[11:21] <greenpete> All seems to work!!!! Thanks so much! It seems so complicated or am I just too used to Windows?
[11:21] <tmarble> whew!
[11:21] <greenpete> Ha ha!
[11:21] <grenegar> heh, some things are easier, some still harder.. :)
[11:21] <tmarble> it's a little bit complicated... the remaining trickiness should go away in the next release of Ubuntu
[11:22] <grenegar> do you know about Automatix?
[11:22] <tmarble> you'll be glad to know there's a lot of magic behind the scenes to make all the stuff work that you just did!
[11:22] <tmarble> nope
[11:22] <greenpete> I really want to use Linux only but this seems to be too much to have to do all of the time, though I have installed stuff from the add/remove and it has worked but also some things have not worked either!
[11:23] <greenpete> Whats Automatix
[11:23] <grenegar> Automatix and EasyUbuntu (just google them) allow you to easily to what we just did plus install audio/video codecs, common apps, etc.
[11:24] <greenpete> Sounds good! I like the thought that to use Linux you need a brain but I don't like things to be so complicated that I can't get it sorted at all!
[11:24] <grenegar> some info about automatix: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=177646
[11:24] <greenpete> Am Googleing! Well Altavistering as Google have been horrible to China!
[11:25] <grenegar> just use my link instead
[11:26] <grenegar> here is automatix install instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190025
[11:26] <grenegar> it ROX
[11:27] <grenegar> good luck!
[11:28] <greenpete> Mmmm looks quite daunting to setup Automatix! Will look into it tomorrow! Goodnight, and thanks a lot for you time!