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| Keybuk | "Even though D-BUS is relatively new, it has been adopted very quickly. As I mentioned earlier, udev can be built with D-BUS support so that it sends a signal when a device is hot-plugged." | 01:17 |
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| Keybuk | that's the second place I've read that | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | and it's complete bullshit | 01:17 |
| Keybuk | udev sends events to HAL using the "dump an envbuf to a named UNIX socket" trick | 01:18 |
| Keybuk | and it's HAL that does dbus | 01:18 |
| crimsun | where? | 01:19 |
| Keybuk | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dbus.html?ca=dgr-lnxw95D-BUS | 01:19 |
| crimsun | heh. | 01:21 |
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| Keybuk | I've yet to find any decent docs on dbus services though | 01:22 |
| Keybuk | I'm trying to learn enough to | 01:22 |
| Keybuk | a) shoot down all the people who think init should be dbus | 01:22 |
| Keybuk | b) consider whether there should be a upstart/dbus bridge | 01:22 |
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| jbailey | Keybuk: b) Probably. | 01:34 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: Notifying user space that a service is now available could be really handy. | 01:34 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 01:35 |
| Keybuk | it's part of the spec that the equivalent of initctl can be used to read events, etc. | 01:35 |
| Keybuk | having a little shim to read from that, and generate dbus signals | 01:35 |
| Keybuk | as well as turn dbus methods into initctl messages | 01:35 |
| Keybuk | would be kinda cute | 01:35 |
| Keybuk | http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/documents/dbus-tutorial/ | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | woo | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | the tutorial is nice | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | but goddamn that hackergotchi scared the crap out of me | 01:44 |
| zul | almost psycho killer like | 01:45 |
| zul | BenC_: ping | 01:47 |
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| crimsun | BenC_: There's a patch awaiting moderation. Both (the one waiting moderation and the timer fix) apply cleanly to Dapper. The URL for applying to Edgy is given in the Status. | 04:06 |
| crimsun | (out for a bit) | 04:06 |
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| zul | hey | 02:14 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 02:19 |
| fabbione | zul: something for you and Ben to check. the kernel postinstall is broken | 02:19 |
| fabbione | that comes from kernel-package | 02:19 |
| fabbione | or some reasons -4- build doesn't create an initramfs nor update symlinks (for ppc) or update grub menu entries | 02:20 |
| fabbione | for the matter i also had to run depmod -a manually | 02:20 |
| zul | grrr...ok.. | 02:22 |
| zul | pdate grub is dont through kernel-package as well correct? | 02:36 |
| fabbione | uh? | 02:37 |
| fabbione | kernel-package provides the postinstall for each kernel image | 02:37 |
| fabbione | i didn't check the details but something it has been done that makes that non working | 02:37 |
| zul | ok | 02:37 |
| ogra | ENOBENC ? | 02:43 |
| ogra | he kindly enabled adb support in the powerpc kernel, but forgot ybout the mouse emulation | 02:43 |
| ogra | *about | 02:43 |
| fabbione | * BenC_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | 02:57 |
| fabbione | ogra: i expect his satellite connection to be shaky | 02:58 |
| ogra | yep | 02:58 |
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| ogra | BenC, ! | 03:11 |
| fabbione | BenC: something is hutterly broken in edgy | 03:14 |
| fabbione | i think it's due to kernel-package | 03:14 |
| fabbione | but the last 2/3 machines i updated are all landing without initrd or symlink updated | 03:15 |
| fabbione | and stuff like that | 03:15 |
| fabbione | tho the postinst doesn't seem to fail | 03:15 |
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| AnAnt | there is a problem that I want to report | 04:50 |
| AnAnt | the kernel 2.6.15-25 does not boot on laptops | 04:50 |
| fabbione | AnAnt: use launchpad-net | 04:50 |
| AnAnt | I tried it on an HP and a Toshiba laptop | 04:50 |
| fabbione | .net | 04:50 |
| ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 04:51 |
| ogra | ;) | 04:51 |
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| ogra | BenC, keyboard works fine now, but you forgot to enable the right/middle mousekey emulation | 05:27 |
| ogra | (or its broken for me if you didnt) | 05:28 |
| BenC | I thought I did | 05:28 |
| BenC | I'll check it though | 05:28 |
| BenC | fabbione: Hmm, I'll check on that | 05:29 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok thanks. I also have the feeling that ppc is overheating | 05:51 |
| fabbione | BenC: is there a way to check fans and stuff? i have the same pb as your | 05:51 |
| zul | later.. | 05:52 |
| ogra | fabbione, mine isnt getting hotter than usual ... (if i kill the panel menu which eats 65% CPU load constantly) | 05:53 |
| fabbione | some of my panel notification thingy don't work on ppc but i have a strange thing with the cpu | 05:54 |
| fabbione | load is high as in 2 | 05:54 |
| fabbione | but cpu usage is very low | 05:54 |
| fabbione | like 20% | 05:54 |
| ogra | does your app menu in the panel work ? | 05:55 |
| ogra | mine is constantly flickering (opening/closing in nanoseconds) | 05:55 |
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| jouni__m | 2.6.17-4 kernel thinks my /dev/hdb6 is /dev/sdb6 and doesn't boot. Is this known issue? Could I help somehow? | 06:49 |
| jouni__m | it boots with root=/dev/sdb6 option in grub | 06:49 |
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| BenC | jouni__m: What IDE controller do you have? | 07:04 |
| jouni__m | BenC sorry how did I find it out? | 07:06 |
| jouni__m | hal-device|grep ide gives 82801AA IDE | 07:11 |
| BenC | jouni__m: lsmod output from 2.6.17 and 2.6.15 to compare would be helpful | 07:11 |
| jouni__m | BenC ok I boot to 2.6.15. | 07:13 |
| jbailey | BenC: Heya - I tested my ppc64 this morning, and yes - after a few minutes it dropped to busybox. | 07:21 |
| jbailey | (bounce for ip address change) | 07:25 |
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| jouni__m | BenC opened bug #52123 | 07:31 |
| jouni__m | malone 52123 | 07:32 |
| jouni__m | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/52123/+index | 07:32 |
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| BenC | jouni__m: cat /proc/version for me please | 08:01 |
| BenC | err, actually, dpkg -l | grep linux-image | 08:02 |
| BenC | jbailey: Yeah, I can reproduce your ppc64 problem, so it's not just you this time :) | 08:02 |
| BenC | jbailey: It's weird, sata_svw is supposed to get loaded, and doesn't, but if you try to manually load it, it locks up | 08:02 |
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| jouni__m | BenC 2.6.15-21.32 and 2.6.17-4.6 | 08:14 |
| BenC | ok | 08:41 |
| Ng | BenC: hey, you said you'd applied a patch from bug 50593 - does that mean it'll make it into the next dapper kernel update? | 08:56 |
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| BenC | Ng: if it's "Fix commited" against 2.6.15, then yes | 09:07 |
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| jbailey | BenC: rE: kdump. The guy really wanted to work with us when I spoke to him at OLS last year. It was just too much to do that late in the breezy cycle, and dapper wasn't supposed to get sexy features. | 09:34 |
| jbailey | BenC: But he'd probably still be happy to see a distro take it up. | 09:34 |
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| BenC | jbailey: ok | 09:51 |
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| brainsik | Is there a page which explains the differences between the -server kernel image and the regular one? | 10:29 |
| crimsun | how comfortable are you reading .configs? | 10:33 |
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| brainsik | crimsun: i can probably read the .config files, but was trying to avoid it :) | 10:44 |
| Ng | BenC: outstanding, thanks very much :) | 10:44 |
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