[01:17] <Keybuk> "Even though D-BUS is relatively new, it has been adopted very quickly. As I mentioned earlier, udev can be built with D-BUS support so that it sends a signal when a device is hot-plugged."
[01:17] <Keybuk> that's the second place I've read that
[01:17] <Keybuk> and it's complete bullshit
[01:18] <Keybuk> udev sends events to HAL using the "dump an envbuf to a named UNIX socket" trick
[01:18] <Keybuk> and it's HAL that does dbus
[01:19] <crimsun> where?
[01:19] <Keybuk> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dbus.html?ca=dgr-lnxw95D-BUS
[01:21] <crimsun> heh.
[01:22] <Keybuk> I've yet to find any decent docs on dbus services though
[01:22] <Keybuk> I'm trying to learn enough to
[01:22] <Keybuk> a) shoot down all the people who think init should be dbus
[01:22] <Keybuk> b) consider whether there should be a upstart/dbus bridge
[01:34] <jbailey> Keybuk: b) Probably.
[01:34] <jbailey> Keybuk: Notifying user space that a service is now available could be really handy.
[01:35] <Keybuk> indeed
[01:35] <Keybuk> it's part of the spec that the equivalent of initctl can be used to read events, etc.
[01:35] <Keybuk> having a little shim to read from that, and generate dbus signals
[01:35] <Keybuk> as well as turn dbus methods into initctl messages
[01:35] <Keybuk> would be kinda cute
[01:44] <Keybuk> http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/documents/dbus-tutorial/
[01:44] <Keybuk> woo
[01:44] <Keybuk> the tutorial is nice
[01:44] <Keybuk> but goddamn that hackergotchi scared the crap out of me
[01:45] <zul> almost psycho killer like
[01:47] <zul> BenC_: ping
[04:06] <crimsun> BenC_: There's a patch awaiting moderation. Both (the one waiting moderation and the timer fix) apply cleanly to Dapper. The URL for applying to Edgy is given in the Status.
[04:06] <crimsun> (out for a bit)
[02:14] <zul> hey
[02:19] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:19] <fabbione> zul: something for  you and Ben to check. the kernel postinstall is broken
[02:19] <fabbione> that comes from kernel-package
[02:20] <fabbione> or some reasons -4- build doesn't create an initramfs nor update symlinks (for ppc) or update grub menu entries
[02:20] <fabbione> for the matter i also had to run depmod -a manually
[02:22] <zul> grrr...ok..
[02:36] <zul> pdate grub is dont through kernel-package as well correct?
[02:37] <fabbione> uh?
[02:37] <fabbione> kernel-package provides the postinstall for each kernel image
[02:37] <fabbione> i didn't check the details but something it has been done that makes that non working
[02:37] <zul> ok
[02:43] <ogra> ENOBENC ?
[02:43] <ogra> he kindly enabled adb support in the powerpc kernel, but forgot ybout the mouse emulation 
[02:43] <ogra> *about
[02:57] <fabbione> * BenC_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[02:58] <fabbione> ogra: i expect his satellite connection to be shaky
[02:58] <ogra> yep
[03:11] <ogra> BenC, !
[03:14] <fabbione> BenC: something is hutterly broken in edgy
[03:14] <fabbione> i think it's due to kernel-package
[03:15] <fabbione> but the last 2/3 machines i updated are all landing without initrd or symlink updated
[03:15] <fabbione> and stuff like that
[03:15] <fabbione> tho the postinst doesn't seem to fail
[04:50] <AnAnt> there is a problem that I want to report
[04:50] <AnAnt> the kernel 2.6.15-25 does not boot on laptops
[04:50] <fabbione> AnAnt: use launchpad-net
[04:50] <AnAnt> I tried it on an HP and a  Toshiba laptop
[04:50] <fabbione> .net
[04:51] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[04:51] <ogra> ;)
[05:27] <ogra> BenC, keyboard works fine now, but you forgot to enable the right/middle mousekey emulation 
[05:28] <ogra> (or its broken for me if you didnt)
[05:28] <BenC> I thought I did
[05:28] <BenC> I'll check it though
[05:29] <BenC> fabbione: Hmm, I'll check on that
[05:51] <fabbione> BenC: ok thanks. I also have the feeling that ppc is overheating
[05:51] <fabbione> BenC: is there a way to check fans and stuff? i have the same pb as your
[05:52] <zul> later..
[05:53] <ogra> fabbione, mine isnt getting hotter than usual ... (if i kill the panel menu which eats 65% CPU load constantly)
[05:54] <fabbione> some of my panel notification thingy don't work on ppc  but i have a strange thing with the cpu
[05:54] <fabbione> load is high as in 2
[05:54] <fabbione> but cpu usage is very low
[05:54] <fabbione> like 20%
[05:55] <ogra> does your app menu in the panel work ? 
[05:55] <ogra> mine is constantly flickering (opening/closing in nanoseconds)
[06:49] <jouni__m> 2.6.17-4 kernel thinks my /dev/hdb6 is /dev/sdb6 and doesn't boot. Is this known issue? Could I help somehow?
[06:49] <jouni__m> it boots with root=/dev/sdb6 option in grub
[07:04] <BenC> jouni__m: What IDE controller do you have?
[07:06] <jouni__m> BenC sorry how did I find it out?
[07:11] <jouni__m> hal-device|grep ide gives 82801AA IDE
[07:11] <BenC> jouni__m: lsmod output from 2.6.17 and 2.6.15 to compare would be helpful
[07:13] <jouni__m> BenC ok I boot to 2.6.15.
[07:21] <jbailey> BenC: Heya - I tested my ppc64 this morning, and yes - after a few minutes it dropped to busybox.
[07:25] <jbailey> (bounce for ip address change)
[07:31] <jouni__m> BenC opened bug #52123
[07:32] <jouni__m> malone 52123
[07:32] <jouni__m> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/52123/+index
[08:01] <BenC> jouni__m: cat /proc/version for me please
[08:02] <BenC> err, actually, dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[08:02] <BenC> jbailey: Yeah, I can reproduce your ppc64 problem, so it's not just you this time :)
[08:02] <BenC> jbailey: It's weird, sata_svw is supposed to get loaded, and doesn't, but if you try to manually load it, it locks up
[08:14] <jouni__m> BenC 2.6.15-21.32 and 2.6.17-4.6
[08:41] <BenC> ok
[08:56] <Ng> BenC: hey, you said you'd applied a patch from bug 50593 - does that mean it'll make it into the next dapper kernel update?
[09:07] <BenC> Ng: if it's "Fix commited" against 2.6.15, then yes
[09:34] <jbailey> BenC: rE: kdump.  The guy really wanted to work with us when I spoke to him at OLS last year.  It was just too much to do that late in the breezy cycle, and dapper wasn't supposed to get sexy features.
[09:34] <jbailey> BenC: But he'd probably still be happy to see a distro take it up.
[09:51] <BenC> jbailey: ok
[10:29] <brainsik> Is there a page which explains the differences between the -server kernel image and the regular one?
[10:33] <crimsun> how comfortable are you reading .configs?
[10:44] <brainsik> crimsun: i can probably read the .config files, but was trying to avoid it :)
[10:44] <Ng> BenC: outstanding, thanks very much :)