=== BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:17] "Even though D-BUS is relatively new, it has been adopted very quickly. As I mentioned earlier, udev can be built with D-BUS support so that it sends a signal when a device is hot-plugged." [01:17] that's the second place I've read that [01:17] and it's complete bullshit [01:18] udev sends events to HAL using the "dump an envbuf to a named UNIX socket" trick [01:18] and it's HAL that does dbus [01:19] where? [01:19] http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dbus.html?ca=dgr-lnxw95D-BUS [01:21] heh. === _human_blip_away [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:22] I've yet to find any decent docs on dbus services though [01:22] I'm trying to learn enough to [01:22] a) shoot down all the people who think init should be dbus [01:22] b) consider whether there should be a upstart/dbus bridge === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:34] Keybuk: b) Probably. [01:34] Keybuk: Notifying user space that a service is now available could be really handy. [01:35] indeed [01:35] it's part of the spec that the equivalent of initctl can be used to read events, etc. [01:35] having a little shim to read from that, and generate dbus signals [01:35] as well as turn dbus methods into initctl messages [01:35] would be kinda cute [01:44] http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/documents/dbus-tutorial/ [01:44] woo [01:44] the tutorial is nice [01:44] but goddamn that hackergotchi scared the crap out of me [01:45] almost psycho killer like [01:47] BenC_: ping === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:06] BenC_: There's a patch awaiting moderation. Both (the one waiting moderation and the timer fix) apply cleanly to Dapper. The URL for applying to Edgy is given in the Status. [04:06] (out for a bit) === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nigel_c [n=nigel@nigel.suspend2.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@72.169.114.90] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjb [n=cjb@pool-141-154-207-168.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === [g2] [n=g2@nslu2-linux/g2] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === _human_blip_away [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nigel_c [n=nigel@nigel.suspend2.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cypher1 [n=cypher@59.92.145.201] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nigel_c [n=nigel@nigel.suspend2.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-100-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjb [n=cjb@pool-141-154-207-168.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@lns01-1668.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Ng [n=Ng@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === Ng [n=Ng@mairukipa.tenshu.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nigel_c [n=nigel@nigel.suspend2.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [02:14] hey [02:19] hey zul [02:19] zul: something for you and Ben to check. the kernel postinstall is broken [02:19] that comes from kernel-package [02:20] or some reasons -4- build doesn't create an initramfs nor update symlinks (for ppc) or update grub menu entries [02:20] for the matter i also had to run depmod -a manually [02:22] grrr...ok.. [02:36] pdate grub is dont through kernel-package as well correct? [02:37] uh? [02:37] kernel-package provides the postinstall for each kernel image [02:37] i didn't check the details but something it has been done that makes that non working [02:37] ok [02:43] ENOBENC ? [02:43] he kindly enabled adb support in the powerpc kernel, but forgot ybout the mouse emulation [02:43] *about [02:57] * BenC_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [02:58] ogra: i expect his satellite connection to be shaky [02:58] yep === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === nigel_c [n=nigel@nigel.suspend2.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:11] BenC, ! [03:14] BenC: something is hutterly broken in edgy [03:14] i think it's due to kernel-package [03:15] but the last 2/3 machines i updated are all landing without initrd or symlink updated [03:15] and stuff like that [03:15] tho the postinst doesn't seem to fail === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.220] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:50] there is a problem that I want to report [04:50] the kernel 2.6.15-25 does not boot on laptops [04:50] AnAnt: use launchpad-net [04:50] I tried it on an HP and a Toshiba laptop [04:50] .net [04:51] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug [04:51] ;) === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.220] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:27] BenC, keyboard works fine now, but you forgot to enable the right/middle mousekey emulation [05:28] (or its broken for me if you didnt) [05:28] I thought I did [05:28] I'll check it though [05:29] fabbione: Hmm, I'll check on that [05:51] BenC: ok thanks. I also have the feeling that ppc is overheating [05:51] BenC: is there a way to check fans and stuff? i have the same pb as your [05:52] later.. [05:53] fabbione, mine isnt getting hotter than usual ... (if i kill the panel menu which eats 65% CPU load constantly) [05:54] some of my panel notification thingy don't work on ppc but i have a strange thing with the cpu [05:54] load is high as in 2 [05:54] but cpu usage is very low [05:54] like 20% [05:55] does your app menu in the panel work ? [05:55] mine is constantly flickering (opening/closing in nanoseconds) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jouni__m [n=jouni__m@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:49] 2.6.17-4 kernel thinks my /dev/hdb6 is /dev/sdb6 and doesn't boot. Is this known issue? Could I help somehow? [06:49] it boots with root=/dev/sdb6 option in grub === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:04] jouni__m: What IDE controller do you have? [07:06] BenC sorry how did I find it out? [07:11] hal-device|grep ide gives 82801AA IDE [07:11] jouni__m: lsmod output from 2.6.17 and 2.6.15 to compare would be helpful [07:13] BenC ok I boot to 2.6.15. [07:21] BenC: Heya - I tested my ppc64 this morning, and yes - after a few minutes it dropped to busybox. [07:25] (bounce for ip address change) === jouni__m [n=jouni__m@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:31] BenC opened bug #52123 [07:32] malone 52123 [07:32] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/52123/+index === jouni__m [n=jouni__m@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] === jouni__m [n=jouni__m@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:01] jouni__m: cat /proc/version for me please [08:02] err, actually, dpkg -l | grep linux-image [08:02] jbailey: Yeah, I can reproduce your ppc64 problem, so it's not just you this time :) [08:02] jbailey: It's weird, sata_svw is supposed to get loaded, and doesn't, but if you try to manually load it, it locks up === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:14] BenC 2.6.15-21.32 and 2.6.17-4.6 [08:41] ok [08:56] BenC: hey, you said you'd applied a patch from bug 50593 - does that mean it'll make it into the next dapper kernel update? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:07] Ng: if it's "Fix commited" against 2.6.15, then yes === kimo [n=ahmed@196.202.18.65] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey [n=jbailey@209.217.74.66] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:34] BenC: rE: kdump. The guy really wanted to work with us when I spoke to him at OLS last year. It was just too much to do that late in the breezy cycle, and dapper wasn't supposed to get sexy features. [09:34] BenC: But he'd probably still be happy to see a distro take it up. === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:51] jbailey: ok === kylem [n=kyle@206-248-151-76.dsl.ncf.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:29] Is there a page which explains the differences between the -server kernel image and the regular one? [10:33] how comfortable are you reading .configs? === brainsik [n=brainsik@dsl092-001-132.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:44] crimsun: i can probably read the .config files, but was trying to avoid it :) [10:44] BenC: outstanding, thanks very much :) === johanbr [n=j@jupiter.physics.ubc.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel