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HedgeMagelol12:10
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Jul 19:00 UTC: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00 UTC: Kubuntu
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shawarma@schedule copenhagen12:43
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu12:43
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sivang@schedule Israel03:47
UbugtuSchedule for Israel: 06 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu03:47
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jsgotangcowhats with these crazy scheds in my timezone =)04:05
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GNAM@schedule rome04:21
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu04:21
GNAMwow ubuntu develpment team04:21
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neuralis@schedule Boston04:35
neuralis@schedule New_York04:35
UbugtuSchedule for America/New_York: 06 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu04:35
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robitaille@topic04:50
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sivang@schedule Israel08:59
UbugtuSchedule for Israel: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 23:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team08:59
pygisivang, ou are here?09:00
pygiyou*09:00
Lure@schedule Ljubljana09:04
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Ljubljana: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team09:04
DonLorenzoHedgeMage will be joining the meeting in a few minutes. She wishes to express her apology for not being on time.09:05
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RobinShepheardpygi, should we be making a start as we only have 45 mins until the next meeting09:12
pygiRobinShepheard, let's wait for Hedge09:13
RobinShepheardok09:13
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jjesse_@schedule detroit09:13
UbugtuSchedule for America/Detroit: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team09:13
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DonLorenzopygi, HedgeMage may be several minutes. ... I talked to her via cell phone when I posted before. She suggested you start without her.09:14
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nixternal@schedule chicago09:16
UbugtuSchedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 15:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team09:16
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sladen@schedule Europe/London09:21
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 21:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 20:00: Marketing Team09:21
pygiok, so considering Susan isn't here let's continue...09:22
pygiwho is here for the meeting?09:22
RobinShepheardme09:23
joycejjjI'm a token educator - Susan asked me to join you.  09:23
LaserJockI'm kinda around09:25
RobinShepheardpygi, this meeting doesn't look so popular as normal09:25
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pygiRobinShepheard, seems like two or three people will be working on cookbook once again (same happened with dapper)09:26
RobinShepheardwell I am willing to lend a hand a do my bit 09:26
dholbach@schedule berlin09:26
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team09:26
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RobinShepheardso what is the plan of action then??09:27
RobinShepheardI noticed that the wiki page for the meeting had not been updated to list the meeting09:27
pygiRobinShepheard, plan of action is likely that me and Susan will make final decision on name and chapters probably09:27
RobinShepheardas in today??09:28
pygias in "probably not today"09:28
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RobinShepheardlol09:29
RobinShepheardpygi, how are you going to organise the templates for the docbook format or are we going to submit plain text and then markup later09:32
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HedgeMageHey, folks09:40
RobinShepheardhiya HedgeMage 09:40
HedgeMageA thousand apologies for my tardiness, we had a family quasi-emergency09:40
HedgeMageWhere are we?09:41
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Amaranthoh, i stumbled into another meeting09:41
RobinShepheardwe aren't really at the mo09:41
HedgeMageHi Amaranth :)09:41
Amaranthhi09:41
RobinShepheardnothing has happened as yet09:41
HedgeMageWho all is here?09:41
Amaranthnext meeting is in 20 minutes, might want to hurry :)09:41
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joycejjj<-----awake09:42
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HedgeMageWell, our first order of business was to be a vote on the new name for cookbook09:42
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HedgeMagesuggestions from last meeting were "The Edubuntu Handbook" "The Edubuntu Guide"  "Edubuntu Guidebook" and "Edubuntu for Beginners"09:43
HedgeMageplease give other suggestions now if you have them, when that's done we'll take comments, then vote09:43
AmaranthEdubuntu Handbook sounds nice09:43
ograThe Edubuntu Book ?09:43
LaserJockyeah09:43
RobinShepheardHedgeMage, how about edubuntu for everyone09:43
LaserJockhmm, that sounds good too09:44
AmaranthDon't want to make it sound like a beginner thing.09:44
RobinShepheardedubuntu made easy is proabaly not possible as there is a range of made easy books09:44
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AmaranthIt's for beginners but useful as a reference too, right?09:44
HedgeMageright, same reason we struck "The Ultimate Guide to Edubuntu"09:44
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ograEdubuntu Bible :P09:45
Amaranthhehe09:45
RobinShepheardAmaranth, but you need to make it approachable for beginners as well09:45
AmaranthRobinShepheard: Edubuntu Handbook does that too, I think.09:45
RobinShepheardtrue09:45
RobinShepheardno arguments about that09:45
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pygi+1 for Edubuntu handbook09:46
RobinShepheardanother +1 for Edubuntu Handbook09:46
pygiAmaranth, LaserJock , ogra ?09:46
AmaranthI believe I already voted. ;)09:47
HedgeMageWhat about "Computing With Edubuntu" or something like that... hrm doesn't have the best ring to it I guess09:47
RobinShepheardhandbook does sound professional09:47
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pygiAmaranth, do +1 or -1 :P09:47
Amaranthyeah, i didn't write any of it09:47
pygiogra, still, vote pls :)09:47
DonLorenzoto be a bit pedantic, "Edubuntu User Guide and Reference"09:47
HedgeMageogra: you can vote, if you're interested :)09:47
ogra+1 then09:47
LaserJockI like Handbook as well09:47
Amaranth+1 for Edubntu Handbook, then09:47
RobinShepheardDonLorenzo, a bit of a mouthful09:47
pygiHedgeMage, that's +4 on Handbook09:47
pygithat's fine09:47
HedgeMageOkay, it looks like "The Edubuntu Handbook" it is :)09:47
Amaranth-The :)09:48
HedgeMage"Edubuntu Handbook" :)09:48
HedgeMageokay09:48
RobinShepheardcool09:48
HedgeMagenext item of business:09:48
Amaranthcool09:48
HedgeMageDivvying up chapters to work on09:48
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RobinShepheardI am quite happy to work on install of workstation09:49
HedgeMageEveryone please reference https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyOutline  Which has the chapter list for this edition09:49
Amaranth10 minutes09:50
mdzare you folks almost finished here?  we need this channel for the dev team meeting shortly09:51
HedgeMageI'm asking that no one sign up for more than 3 chapters at first... you can take more when the first batch are done09:51
HedgeMagemdz: almost, we'll be out of your hair in time :)09:51
RobinShepheardI am happy to do the standalone and maybe the basic netwoking09:51
HedgeMageThe sign-up sheet will be at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyTasks in about five minutes09:51
HedgeMageWe're working in docbook, but if you are not comfortable with it, feel free to save in .rtf or .odt or plaintext and one of the editors will change to docbook for you09:52
pygimdz, will do, we'll try to move somewhere else09:52
HedgeMagePlease email submissions to HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net with "Handbook" in the title somewhere so that I can get them committed to the svn doc repo... this is a temporary arrangement while we get some commit privs worked out09:53
HedgeMageThis is a good time for questions since I know I've gone quickly :)09:53
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RobinShepheardHedgeMage, what about templates or fonts for use in docs09:55
HedgeMageI'm adjourning to #edubuntu if there's anything further grab me there09:55
sladen5 minutes, can the Edubuntu people wind up please09:55
RobinShepheardsee you in edubuntu then09:55
HedgeMageRobinShepheard: docbook is styled after the fact so don't worry about fonts... I'll put a sample chapter template together if that will be helpful09:55
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pittihi09:55
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HedgeMageBy guys09:56
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sfllaw@schedule Montreal09:57
UbugtuSchedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team09:57
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pittihey sfllaw 09:57
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mdzeveryone here?09:59
dholbachyes10:00
sivangme here, but still drafting system-clean-up-tool 10:00
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sfllawWell, I am.10:00
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mdzKamion and doko are excused, infinity I believe is still on holiday10:00
dholbachmvo is on holiday too10:00
Riddellhi10:00
iwjI'm here.10:00
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rodarvusI'm here10:00
dholbachdoko wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him *shrug*10:00
mdzfabbione,Mithrandir,BenC,ogra: ping10:01
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mdzah, I see fabbione and heno now10:01
fabbione:)10:01
BenCmdz: pong10:01
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ograpong10:01
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mdzanyone seen Mithrandir?10:02
GNAMhi algor, manichinos10:02
fabbionei am texting him10:02
manichinoshi :-D10:02
mdzdholbach: doko said he would email an update but I didn't receive one; did he send it to you instead?10:02
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mdzoh, I found it10:03
dholbachmdz: no, as i said he wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him10:03
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fabbionemdz: Mith is on his way here10:03
mdzok10:04
mdzwe're going in random order for extra excitement10:04
mdzKeybuk: you're first10:04
Keybukmdz: I don't have a pre-pasted plan, because I wasn't sure what we're supposed to actually be saying10:05
Keybukthis-week: merges, driving soyuz by hand, buildd stuff10:05
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mdzKeybuk: I explained in the email what was expected; the usual status update + spec status10:05
mdzKeybuk: you have 5 specs approved and targeted for edgy; are there any more pending?10:06
Keybukmdz: but we're not supposed to be doing spec work this week, no? :)10:06
Keybukmdz: nope, that's the set10:06
mdzKeybuk: hmm?10:07
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mdztoday was the deadline for getting specs approved for edgy, so it's a good time to review where they stand10:07
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mdzKeybuk: in the past week you made MOM a lot better :-P10:07
mdzKeybuk: is the implementation status up to date on all of your specs?10:08
Keybukmdz: yes, the implementation status is up to date10:08
mdzok, thanks10:08
Keybukdash-as-bin-sh is implemented10:08
Keybukthe others are either unstarted or started10:08
mdzseb128: next10:08
seb128This week:10:09
seb128- mails catching up10:09
seb128- started bugs catching up10:09
seb128- GTK 2.10, work on GNOME 2.15.310:09
seb128- syncs from Debian10:09
seb128.10:09
seb128Next week:10:09
seb128- keep catching up on bugs and syncs from Debian10:09
seb128- GNOME 2.15.410:09
mdzseb128: how are you doing on the merge?10:09
seb128pretty good, GNOME merges should be done for 2.15.4 next week10:09
mdzok, great10:10
mdzwe're doing very well on merge progress10:10
seb128:)10:10
mdzif we maintain a good pace, we should meet our target next week10:10
seb128cool10:10
mdzonly 166 to go10:10
mdz16510:10
fabbionemdz: the MoM doesn't show X10:10
ograjust to mention thats a lot of Keybuks fault :)10:10
fabbioneadd another 90 or so :)10:10
ogra(that we are this fast)10:10
pittifabbione: main-manual.html10:10
mdzfabbione: because it's a mess with mismatched  .origs?10:11
ogranew mom is awesome10:11
mdzyes, well done Keybuk10:11
fabbionemdz: it's a mess. <- full stop :)10:11
fabbionepitti: not all of them show up there either10:11
mdzthanks seb12810:11
mdzColin is next, he emailed an update10:11
mdzseed-cleanup: Implemented. (People responsible for Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu seeds still need to merge the seed changes, which will probably be complicated; contact me if there are things you don't understand there.)10:11
mdzubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Approved.10:11
mdzmisc: All other specs approved. Merges going fairly well (have been helping out a bit with the X merge). Also in the middle of an oem-config reorganisation which is a prerequisite for (a) my sanity and (b) part of a Google Summer of Code project.10:11
mdznext-week: Finish merges and oem-config reorganisation. Get the installer (at least d-i, and with any luck Ubiquity too) working in Edgy.10:11
Keybukmdz: it's because the source packages first appeared in Debian, and when they appeared in Ubuntu, they had higher version numbers -- so there's no base for the merge10:12
mdzRiddell,ogra,janimo: note the seed-cleanup bit above10:12
ograyep10:12
ograi have it in my list for next week already 10:12
mdzok10:12
mdzRiddell: ack?10:12
Riddellyep10:13
mdzthanks10:13
mdzrodarvus: next?10:13
rodarvussure10:13
rodarvus* specs:10:13
rodarvus - fully-automatic-swap-server is approved10:13
rodarvus - ltsp-login-and-session-handling and edubuntu-xfce-desktop are under review (that will hopefully change very soon now)10:13
rodarvus* past week work:10:13
rodarvus - corrections/updates/clarifications to specs above10:13
rodarvus - Merges: getting up to speed with Ubuntu X packaging, X merges/sync (many many thanks to fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion)10:13
rodarvus - Edubuntu: EC meeting, new artwork lead was chosen (AliasVegas)10:13
rodarvus - OLPC: catching up with development, mailing lists and code + received confirmation of developer board10:13
rodarvus* next week:10:13
rodarvus - continue X merges/syncs (fabbione has status page at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs)10:13
rodarvus - hopefully merge/sync other unrelated/unclaimed bits10:13
mdzrodarvus: I'll help you with those two specs today; what time do you leave/sleep?10:13
rodarvusI'll sleep in 7-8 hours from now10:14
rodarvusso, plenty of time10:14
mdzok, I'll have about 4 hours after the meeting before I need to go10:14
mdzrodarvus: are there any specs other than those three which are potential targets for you for edgy?10:15
rodarvusI'd also like to thank fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion for all the help with X merging10:15
rodarvusI think I'm finally catching up to speed with it10:15
rodarvusmdz, no10:15
mdzrodarvus: that should leave you some time for X ;-)10:16
pittirodarvus: do you think you can put mesa on your list, too? it's currently 'my' merge, but I have no clue about it10:16
rodarvusthere's stuff (LTSP related) I'd like to do, but they weren't specced before UDS (well, I joined one week before UDS :) )10:16
rodarvuspitti, sure, I'll take it10:16
mdzok10:16
mdzthanks rodarvus10:16
mdzdoko is next, he emailed an update10:16
mdzit's long10:16
mdzstatus this week:10:16
mdz- OOo: 2.0.3 build, 2.0.2 security fixes for dapper and breezy (need building and testing)10:16
mdz- syncs: about 130 python syncs from unstable, all other syncs for main with me as uploader done10:16
mdz- specs: update specs, new python2.5 spec.10:16
mdz- SoC: a bit admin stuff10:16
mdznext week:10:16
mdz- more python syncs, check for build failures in synced packages10:16
mdz- finish packaging hints, we need it now.10:16
mdzedgy-toolchain status:10:16
mdz- required topics mostly done, the remaining topics are marked as optional, and may move to edgy+1-toolchain roadmap10:16
mdzedgyplusone-toolchain status:10:16
mdz- spec not yet approved10:16
mdz- we currently lack a possibility to upload packages to a common area, currently testing is done with gcc-snapshot for bugs/compatibility; gcc-4.2 packages would overwrite the 4.1 based packages in edgy.10:16
mdz- need to know when a prototype of the automatic-rebuild spec will be available,10:17
mdzI hadn't seen python2.5; I'll target and prioritize10:17
mdzKamion approved it already10:17
mdzhmm, it needs clarification though10:18
mdzI'll talk with doko about it tomorrow10:18
mdzedgplusone-toolchain is approved now, since he sent that email10:18
mdzand targeted for edgy10:18
mdzheno: next10:18
heno * Approved this week: sudo-admin-atspi, sok, livecd-access, edgy-content, xubuntu-accessibility10:19
heno * Implemented this week: access-ubuntu-com at http://access.ubuntu.com10:19
heno * sok: Made two new keyboard layouts and did testing. The basic keyboard now works nicely IMO. At some point I should speak with those who know about non-latin input and the xkb system.10:19
heno * forum-integration: talking with the forum team about a new theme that matches our main site better, including using the same tabs 10:19
heno * compiz-mag: Slow progress ATM. Will be targeted for edgy+1, though we may get something into universe for edgy.10:19
heno * Other: helping newz2000 get started10:19
heno * NEXT WEEK: more webmaster tutoring, try to get compiz-mag moving better forward, prepare live CD boot images and sounds10:19
mdzsok is also approved and edgy-targeted now10:19
henoyep, thanks10:19
mdzheno: forum-integration is set to informational; should it not be?10:19
henoyes it should. I guess I should mention that under 'other' if anything10:20
henoall the specs are marked and targeted correctly now AFAICS10:20
mdzok, great10:20
sivangI lost net connection for some secs, back now10:21
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mdzthanks heno10:21
mdzpitti: next10:21
pittiapt-get-debug-symbols:10:21
pitti - pkg-create-dbgsym package is in edgy, announced it and called for testing10:21
pitti - apart from bug fixes, this spec is done from my side, ball is in Soyuz field now10:21
pittiautomated-problem-reports:10:21
pitti - tried various methods of reducing the coredump with objcopy without perfect results so far; just bzip2'ing the dump gives drastic shrinkage, though, so I'll just start with that10:21
pitti - plan for next week: write first version of backend (crash interception and report generation)10:22
pittigcc-ssp: enabled in gcc since last Friday, no reported regressions so far; I set it to 'deployed' since not all packages have actually been rebuilt since then; nothing to do any more about this for now10:22
pittiauto-unmount-notifications:10:22
pitti - not started yet; not intrusive, so I'll deal with it after I'm done with my archive-wide specs10:22
pittinon-spec work done this week:10:22
pitti - merges: did all my merges except for mesa (beyond my abilities) and an updated cupsys merge (still to come, needs some serious thinking); also grabbed some merges from infinity, chmj, and a few others10:22
pitti - google SoC mid-term review10:22
pitti - couple of security updates10:22
pitti - cups update for dapper10:22
pitti - started gnutls12 -> 13 and libtasn1-2 -> 3 transitions; will finish that later since most of the transitions will be done through regular gnome and other uploads10:22
pittiplan for next week:10:22
pitti - help out others with merges10:22
pitti - catch up with bug mail10:22
pitti - work on automated-problem-reports10:22
pitti - some outstanding security updates10:22
mdzpitti: any edgyish specs which aren't approved yet?10:23
pittioh, I forgot, my specs are in good shape10:23
pittiapproval/edgy tag and time estimates are correct10:23
pittis/correct/current/ for the estimates :)10:23
mdzand implementation status?10:23
pittitoo10:24
mdzpitti: are the dapper printing updates already prepared?10:24
Mithrandirpresent now, sorry about forgetting about the meeting. :-/10:24
pittimdz: yes, I'm waiting for your ack for the 1.2.2 bug fixes I added10:24
pittimdz: well, cups is ready, ivoks is workign on gutenprint now10:24
pittibut that's independent10:24
pittiand we'll discuss hplip again10:25
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mdzpitti: do I have an email about that?  Idon't see it10:25
pittimdz: shall we ressign apt-get-debug-symbols to some soyuz guy now to reflect it better?10:26
pittimdz: no, IRC ping, I can mail you if you want10:26
pittimdz: I just pastebin'ed you a small list of changes10:26
mdzpitti: I'll care for apt-get-debug-symbols and soyuz, thanks10:26
mdzpitti: I missed that; please do email10:26
pittiwill do10:26
mdzpitti: thanks10:27
mdzBenC: next10:27
BenClibata-for-all-disks: IN PROGRESS: Libata is in the kernel, and some modules are being built. However, they are currently blacklisted until we test them and get the UUID conversion done.10:27
BenClinux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS: Starting integration of kdump/kexec into kernel. Hopefully will be available in stages over the next few kernel uploads.10:27
BenCcfq-by-default: DONE: 2.6.17-4.6 implements this feature now.10:27
BenCSPECS general: Status on all specs up-to-date10:27
BenCABAT: Stalled on IBM's side. Waiting to see what progress they've made10:27
BenCBugs: Steady flow, but manageable still.10:27
BenCGeneral kernel status: So far 2.6.17 seems pretty stable for most ppl. There are a couple of major issues, but they are isolated, and should be easily reconciled. Linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta now reflect 2.6.17 as the default kernel in Edgy.10:27
mdzBenC: who's working on the probe-for-root bit?10:28
BenCwasn't aware of the spec10:29
mdzBenC: that's the name for the UUID mounting10:29
fabbionewasn't probe-for-root done dapper?10:29
fabbionein dapper10:29
BenCyeah, UUID is a bit different I think10:29
mdzfabbione: only for removable devices10:29
fabbioneit was marked as implemented by i don't remember by who10:29
Mithrandirfabbione: it was, but the transition to put uuids in fstab isn't done.10:29
mdzwe deferred the rest10:29
fabbioneMithrandir: ok10:29
MithrandirI implemented the d-i bits, but it's explicitly only enabled for USB/firewire devices.10:30
BenCthe UUID thing is spec'd out in libata-for-all-disks, since it was dependent on i10:30
mdzMithrandir: will you enable it by default for edgy?10:30
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Mithrandirmdz: I think that's in the spec, and it's a trivial change.  I can do it, sure.10:30
mdzok10:30
mdzBenC: can you do the migration for upgrades?10:31
mdzor are you blocked on it?10:31
BenCI can do the migration, but I'd really like someone to code review it10:32
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mdzKeybuk: can you assist with that?10:32
BenCcould easily screw up some systems if we don't get it right the first time10:32
Keybukmdz: libata?  I believe it's part-assigned to me -- especially themigration stuff10:32
mdzKeybuk: the migration specifically, yes10:32
BenCKeybuk was supposed to do migration, but really I can start on it if need be10:32
mdzso long as it's on someone's todo list10:33
mdzI'm happy10:33
mdzBenC: what's your plan for bugs regarding 2.6.15->2.6.17?10:33
mdzare you going to ask the reporters to reconfirm with 2.6.17?10:33
mdzthat'd be a lot easier once we have a milestone, of course10:33
BenCover the next two weeks I'm going to push some bugs to target 2.6.17 so they can be verified in edgy10:34
Mithrandirmdz: knot-1 is planned in a week.  I wonder if we'll make it, but we have to start sometime..10:34
mdz[TXT]  edgy_probs.html         06-Jul-2006 20:44  160K  10:34
mdzimpressive10:34
fabbioneall python and x-dev are basically uninstallable10:35
mdzpython is upgradeable now though10:35
fabbioneyeah probably10:35
mdzanyway, we'll see what happens next week10:35
mdzBenC: thanks10:35
mdziwj: next10:35
BenCthanks as well10:35
iwjhave been doing: merges, spec reviews etc.10:35
iwjfirefox merge: still broken but I think I know what the problem is10:35
iwjmerges: mine done except for firefox and apparently gs-gpl (which I thought I'd done but perhaps I didn't upload it)10:35
iwjautomated-testing-deployment: now BLOCKED on xen-edgy10:35
iwjxen-edgy: some work done by Chuck Short aka zul on the kernel; nothing by me yet; I need to check on the current status10:35
iwjpackage-dependency-field-breaks: no further progress this week10:35
iwjsuggest-packages-for-filetypes: mvo has done some minor changes and I need to pick it up10:35
iwjREQUEST: Merges become a lot easier if you make good patches and are sure to feed them upstream and/or to Debian.  Ideally, nearly every merge should be a sync, surely ?  When it's not we should consider whether to chase upstream and/or Debian again.10:35
mdziwj: does the firefox merge include the human theme addition?10:36
iwjIMPORTANT: I propose that we move this meeting to 0700, 1500, 2300 UTC.  Thanks to the nine people who replied with info.  Sorry that first my mail to warthogs had various wrong dates and times.10:36
iwjNo.10:36
iwjThe theme is quite separate.10:36
fabbioneiwj: ++ on the meeting.10:36
iwjThat is, the theme is in a different package.10:36
mdzI acked your meeting times proposal; does anyone wish to object now?10:36
mdziwj: I mean the change to use the theme by default10:36
iwjmdz: No, that's not in this one but the diff is trivial.10:36
pittinew time++10:36
mdziwj: if it's trivial, please add it10:37
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iwjI mean, _really trivial_.10:37
BenCmeeting time ++10:37
ogra++10:37
iwjmdz: I'll do it in two uploads just because I'm paranoid.10:37
iwjI want an easy-to-revert upload for it I think.10:37
mdzso long as it isn't delayed10:37
iwjBut it won't take any actual time to do two rather than one.  My computer can grind for a bit.10:37
mdzok10:37
iwjNoted.10:37
mdzsounds like the new meeting times are a hit, let's go ahead with it10:37
iwjExcellent.10:37
mdziwj: please mail the Fridge folks and ask them to update the calendar accordinlgy10:38
mdzaccordingly10:38
iwjmdz: Ack.10:38
mdzfridge-devel@lists I think10:38
Keybukalso we should set out the policy for the pre-meeting report paste10:38
Amaranthouch, i can only make it to one of those meetings :/10:38
sfllawiwj: When does this start to take effect?10:38
Amaranthoh well, i don't count10:38
Keybukand indicate where those are to go10:38
mdzsfllaw: next week10:38
iwjKeybuk: We were expecting sfllaw to do that, weren't we ?10:38
sfllawIndeed.10:38
pittiKeybuk: preferably on an ubuntu wiki page10:38
MithrandirKeybuk: we also need somebody to whip the slackers.10:38
fabbionesfllaw: can we move that wiki thingy to the public wiki? or do we want to keep it internal?10:38
sfllawCan we wait until it's my turn so we don't delay the meeting?10:39
iwjsfllaw: your turn> Good idea.10:39
mdzok10:39
mdziwj: any specs which ought to be targeted for edgy which aren't approved yet?10:40
iwjNo.10:40
mdzok10:40
LaserJockiwj: what do you want to do with developer-referenfce?10:40
mdzregarding feeding patches upstream, we have a plan for more automation there which is waiting for a new soyuz feature10:40
iwjLaserJock: I was going to do my other specs and then see if I had time for it.10:40
iwjmdz: Has this been discussed with Debian ?10:41
mdziwj: yes10:41
iwjExcellent.10:41
mdzlong thread on debian-devel10:41
mdziwj: thanks10:41
mdzogra: next10:41
iwjI must have missed it somehow.  Maybe it looked like a flamewar.10:41
ogra* last-week: started moving ltsp to a common buildsystem (autoconf/automake), shuffled ltsp branches around so we have the right structure now, merged: gartoon, fuse, iftraf, pwgen, rss-glx, tuxmath, tuxpaint, xscreensaver, did SoC mid term review10:41
ogra* outstanding merges: kdeedu (currently building the final package (since 1,5h, kudos to Riddell)), kino, nessus-plugins, xfonts-terminus (waiting for x to be ready for font merges)10:41
ogra* next-week: finishing merges, several meetings with the debian ltsp guys planned to finish the common buildsystem move before UVF, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics in monday, getting the edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD, grabbing orphaned merges, uploading the first version of willowng (the SoC work)10:41
ogra* specs: 10:41
ogra- student-control-panel-completion: (Needs Review)10:41
ogra- ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (not started yet, nedds more update for scott balneaves (planned, see above))10:41
ogra- ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem started (see above))10:41
ogra- ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (not started)10:41
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ograHawkwind, strike kdeedu ... it just finished successfull :))10:41
ograoh10:42
ogras/Hawkwind/HA/10:42
mdzspeaking of fonts, is someone on xfonts-utils?10:42
fabbionemdz: we need to finish the libs first10:42
mdzok10:42
ograyep, its on fabbiones list10:42
mdzogra: how did the ltsp/bzr meeting go?10:42
fabbionemdz: and fonts need some special attention because Debian is using yet again another fonts path10:42
mdzfabbione: garrr10:42
ogramdz, only partially ... long story, sbalneav was called away by his boss after 45mins10:43
mdzogra: which specs should be targeted for edgy but are not yet approved+targeted?10:43
ograstudent control panel10:43
mdzok, I'll help with that today10:44
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mdzis everything ok?10:44
iwjogra: Sorry about that.  Maybe we should get someone else to review your specs.10:44
ograon my side it is now, i've calmed down 10:44
iwjNext time, I mean.10:44
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mdzok10:45
mdzogra: thanks10:45
mdzMithrandir: next10:45
ograyes, probably ... but  i'm willing to try once again, we should overcome this ... arent we pofessionals ? ;)10:45
Mithrandirmisc: merges, particularly the X merge.  Also been impersonating Adam and Charles for merging.  Also reviewed a couple of specs.  Also uploaded Opera to dapper-commercial10:45
Mithrandirsane-installer-keyboard: no progress, some loose discussion in #debian-boot about it10:45
Mithrandirlive-cd-stacked-filesystems: no progress apart from being told about squashfs supporting those directly without unionfs and will look into that10:45
Mithrandirlive-cd-write-as-you-go: blocked on packet-writing which I became aware of recently10:46
Mithrandirpacket-writing: needs to be reviewed and fixed up for edgy ASAP.  I'll do this before going to bed10:46
Mithrandirlivecd-sessions: no progress10:46
mdzogra,iwj: let's talk about it after the meeting10:46
Mithrandirlivec-cd-share-live-cd: bumped back to drafting, haven't had time to look at this.10:46
Mithrandirnext week: more merges, get X into shape, get knot 1 out.10:46
iwjmdz: OK.10:46
MithrandirI'll mail d-d-a about the knot-1 freeze.10:46
Mithrandiruh, u-d-a10:46
mdzheh 10:46
dholbachMithrandir: when do you think the freeze will be? roughly?10:46
mdzMithrandir: anything pending on the spec approval+targeting front?10:46
Mithrandirmdz: I need to get the packet-writing approved as I said.  I'm tempted to postpone livec-cd-share-live-cd unless I can get it approved tomorrow.10:47
Mithrandirdholbach: well, I'd like it to happen on wednesday, but UVF is in exactly a week, so I need to do something clever.10:47
mdzMithrandir: the other livecd features seem more interesting to me10:48
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mdzMithrandir: I'll go over packet-writing with you later tonight if you're around10:48
Mithrandirmdz: ogra and the ltsp people seem crazy about the share-live-cd one since it can be used for making a ltsp live cd.10:48
Mithrandirmdz: it's almost 2300 here, but I'll fix that up, so that'd be great.10:48
mdzMithrandir: crazy enough to help with the spec or implementation? :-P10:49
ogra(it would enable edubuntu to ship on the desktop CD)10:49
ograas a sideeffect10:49
ograMithrandir, how big is that ?10:50
mdzplease discuss after the meeting, we're short on time10:50
ograok10:50
Mithrandirogra: the spec is mostly minor stuff.  I have an idea how to do the implementation, but post-meeting.10:50
mdzMithrandir: is opera ready to be added to app-install-data-commercial?  I don't remember seeing it there10:50
Mithrandirmdz: I think so.  I just uploaded it and haven't seen an ACCEPT message from the queue even, so I don't know where it sits.10:51
mdzah, ok10:51
mdzMithrandir: thanks10:51
mdzdholbach: next10:51
dholbachspecs approved: easier-motuing (no progress); automating-artwork (no progress - apart from what's mentioned in the spec already); galago-in-ubuntu (started, investigating ftbfs of one lib)10:51
dholbachspec which needs work: future-of-gst (conversations with carlos have happened during guadec, list of tasks identified, gst 2.15 uploaded, but not built yet (needed to indicate and demonstrate), spec needs to be finalized)10:51
dholbachthis week: merges and updates of gnome (updates: 80% done, amount of merges good-looking), hell lot of bug triage, trying to be mvo as much I can, make my inbox love me again, SoC review (done)10:51
dholbachnext week: gnome 2.15.4, bug triage, starting on easier-motuing, automating-artwork (and updates and splitting of the packages), trying to be mvo as much I can10:51
dholbachweek after that: HUG DAY! sfllaw?10:51
mdzdholbach: we can talk about future-of-gst a bit later if you're here10:52
mdzotherwise maybe tomorrow10:52
dholbachtomorrow would be cool10:52
mdzthe list of specs to drive last-minute today is getting long10:52
dholbachseb128: what do you think?10:52
mdzok10:53
mdzdholbach: thanks10:53
dholbachde rien10:53
mdzsfllaw: next10:53
seb128dholbach: tomorrow10:53
sfllawDone: Bug triage, SoC mentoring, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, scouting for new hires.10:53
sfllawTodo: Bug triage, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, SoC mentoring, test plans for edgy specs.10:53
sfllawSpecs:10:53
sfllaw- multi-machine-testing-infrastructure (Review)10:53
sfllaw- edgy-testing (drafting)10:54
sfllaw- drinking-from-the-firehose (drafting)10:54
sfllawAlso, I'd like some feedback on http://www.canonical.com/DistroTeamMeetings10:54
sfllaw.10:54
sfllawSTATISTICS10:54
sfllaw==========10:54
mdzsfllaw: since you'll need to poke people to get those pastes anyway, could you take responsibility for announcing the meeting 24+hours prior as I did this week?10:54
sfllawSince last week...10:54
sfllawUnconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 2284 -> 276010:54
sfllawUntriaged bugs: 723 -> 86110:54
sfllawNeeds Info bugs: 1753 -> 179410:54
sfllawDapper bugs: 75 -> 7410:54
sfllawEdgy bugs: 3 -> 410:54
sfllawBugs without packages: 1502 -> 153310:54
sfllawiwj: Is it the 7h00 UTC meeting next week?10:54
sfllawPeople have suggested that I move DistroTeamMeetings to the public wiki.10:54
sfllawUhm, OK.10:54
iwjsfllaw: Yes.10:54
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sfllawYay.  It's a whole hour better than it was before.10:54
sfllaw:)10:54
pittisfllaw: public++ (#u-m is public and publicly logged, too)10:55
mdzDistroTeamMeetings doesn't seem to exist10:55
sivangrigth10:55
Keybukmdz: s/www/wiki/10:55
sfllawSorry.10:55
mdzah10:55
mdzsfllaw: what's the plan for your specs?  you don't have anything targeted for edgy yet10:55
mdzdrinking-from-the-firehose is informational, yes?10:56
sfllawEdgy-testing is targetted for Edgy.  As is drinking-from-the-firehose.10:56
mdzneither is on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs10:56
sfllaw:(10:56
mdzwe're only targeting specs once they're approved10:56
mdzedgy-testing is marked informational as well10:57
mdzthough there is indirect work associated with it10:57
mdzlet's discuss after the meeting what to do10:57
sfllawOK.10:57
mdzthanks10:57
mdzRiddell: next10:57
Riddelldone: merges, Kubuntu packages in main should be done by tomorrow although some poking of buildds will be needed and some main inclusion reports todo.  universe also progressing well thanks to MOTU10:57
Riddellnext week: kubuntu-launchpad-integration and if time kubuntu-easy-zeroconf.  Knot 1?10:57
Riddellspecs: all approved except kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue (not too important), thanks reviewers10:57
iwjAre we running very late ?  It's difficult to tell in random order ...10:58
mdziwj: almost done10:58
mdzfabbione and sivang10:58
mdzRiddell: are you going to try to get k-f-t-d through or defer it?  you have a bunch of stuff already, though some of it may not be for you personally10:59
mdzRiddell: e.g., isn't mornfall implementing the adept stuff?10:59
Riddellmdz: kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue should be close to though, kamion only had a small comment for it10:59
Riddellyes, the adept ones should be assigned to mornfall (although he's not decided if he'll do it as a bounty yet)11:00
RiddellI don't expect to have time for kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue11:00
mdzRiddell: ok, please reassign them as appropriate so it's clear who's doing what11:00
mdzRiddell: thanks11:00
mdzfabbione: next11:00
Riddellalso kwwii says he's unlikely to get kubuntu-icons done for edgy11:00
fabbione* specs: ubuntu-edgy-cluster and sparc64-port have been approved. Got a thumb up from silbs on the internal spec that is waiting for mdz and/or sabdfl for distro/lp allocation. no other specs are in queue for edgy.11:00
fabbione* sparc64-port: My t2000 is temporary busy running the hw certification software for Marc.11:00
fabbione* ubuntu-edgy-cluster: Working on GFS2 userland new deps (openais) and coordinating with upstream for a release date. Addressing some 32/64/endianess problems and getting all our patches upstream to reduce the maintainance load (5/8 are up already). No changes from last week.11:00
fabbione* last week: completed gcc bug fixing/testing in edgy (sparc), completed the sparc64-port and ubuntu-edgy-cluster specs, done libparted check on sparc for Kamion with no real luck, dovecot regression from breezy to dapper has been addressed to upstream that is working on a solution, basically done all my merges and helping out with X merges. Some minimal mentoring to Rodrigo that's moving his first steps really really fast.11:00
fabbione* next week: complete the merges, start working full steam on the other specs, whatever is needed (!= X).11:01
mdzfabbione: how long before you disappear?11:01
fabbionemdz: -ENOCLUE11:01
mdzbut soon, no?11:01
fabbionemdz: i did ask my wife for an ETA on delivery but she gave me a finger.. not a nice one :)11:02
mdzheh11:02
fabbionemdz: yes pretty soon11:02
sivanghehe11:02
mdzfabbione: dovecot -> dapper-updates?11:02
pittifabbione: *crossing fingers*, all the best11:02
Keybukfabbione: can she not cross her legs until UVF? :p11:02
sivangfabbione: first child ?11:02
fabbionemdz: yes. but we need the fix first for dovecot11:02
mdzok11:02
fabbionepitti: thanks :)11:02
mdzthanks fabbione11:02
fabbioneKeybuk: ahhaha11:03
mdzsivang?11:03
fabbionesivang: yeps11:03
sivangmdz: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard might need some more edits before approval, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/home-user-backup seems ready to be approved. Ideally both of them should be targetted for edgy, however if I'm doing system clean up tool alone I'd need some help on some of the implementation.11:03
mdzmake-free-space-wizard still needs some work I think; I'll look at it today if I have some time11:03
sivangbasically that's is. I've started tackeling the merge thing this week, however so far only done bitorando and sponsered by slomo_ , might do more in the coming week.11:04
mdzhome-user-backup should be ready for approval if my comment was addressed11:04
mdzsivang: thanks11:04
sivangmdz: I believe they were all addressed.11:04
mdzany other very quick business?11:04
mdzdid I miss anyone in the randomness?11:04
fabbionesfllaw: moving the stuff from internal to external wiki?11:04
fabbionethere was only one vote from pitti11:05
rodarvus+111:05
fabbionebut i do vote for the movement too11:05
dholbachsfllaw: hug day in two weeks?11:05
mdzthat's fine with me; the meeting is public and so the summaries can be as well11:05
ogra+111:05
iwjWe should move the distro meeting page, definitely.11:05
fabbione(the DistroTeammeeting11:05
sfllawWhat about the DistroTeam page?11:05
sfllawThat's sort of sitting by its lonesome in the Canonical wiki.11:05
mdzno, that's a separate matter11:05
sfllawFair enough.11:05
sfllawI'll move it.11:05
mdzwe don't publish employee data11:05
sivangmdz: if you don't have time today, will we be able to address it tomorrow? I'm up whenever you can.11:05
sfllawdholbach: Yes.  A hug day in two weeks would be good.11:05
mdzsivang: probably11:06
mdzok, we're over time11:06
mdzthanks, everyone11:06
dholbachsfllaw: cool11:06
mdzadjourned11:06
dholbachthanks mdz11:06
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ograthanks mdz 11:06
seb128tahnk you11:06
pittithanks everyone11:06
fabbionethanks guys11:06
dholbachsee you *wave*11:06
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ografabbione, crossing my fingers it doesnt come during the football game :)11:06
rodarvusthanks guys11:06
rodarvuspitti, next meeting will be 4am for me :)11:07
ografabbione, all the best for both ;)11:07
seb128ogra: France will win anyway11:07
fabbioneogra: i promised my wife that i will join her at the hospital.. after the match11:07
pittirodarvus: uh :(11:07
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rodarvusbut I guess its the best iwj could find, as I'm in the middle of US and Europe timezones11:07
fabbioneseb128: ahah you wish my little blonde friend11:07
pittirodarvus: I thought you were in spain?11:07
sivangfabbione: can't you watch the game from the hospital ? :p11:07
rodarvuspitti, no, I'm brazilian11:07
dholbachseb128: ++11:07
iwjRight, I should be going really.11:07
fabbionerodarvus: it's not too bad really.. you get to spend more time with EU and have a lot of free afternoon11:07
ograseb128, i dont think so ... the italians havent had to do much apart from the last match yet11:07
Amaranththinking more about it i can make it to two of those meeting times, until the end of august11:07
pittirodarvus: ah11:08
fabbionesivang: eheh11:08
Amaranthso, yay11:08
seb128fabbione: we already gave you some good lesson in 200011:08
iwjThanks everyone.  Sorry to those for whom the times are difficult.11:08
Mithrandirnext meeting is 0700 UTC?11:08
seb128fabbione: need to get one again? :)11:08
rodarvusfabbione, right, thats the plan indeed :)11:08
iwjWe'll revisit this in the autumn when the clocks change.11:08
iwjTTFN all11:08
seb128ogra: France neither11:08
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fabbioneseb128: we will see :)11:08
ograseb128, well :)11:08
=== rodarvus cheers for Italia
fabbioneseb128: i already have my dreams for the final anyway11:08
pittifabbione: heh, I remember (my gf had a good laugh, too)11:09
rodarvusdon't tell me about france or zidane :D11:09
=== sivang cheers for italy as well :)
=== pitti hopes that we'll beat Portugal at least
pittiso that we can at least stand in the shadow of Italy and France11:09
fabbionepitti: yeah i am showing it to seb too :)11:09
sivangpitti: fdsfd11:09
=== sladen hopes it'll just hurry up and be over
sivangoops11:09
sivangsorry11:09
pittisivang: bless you11:10
sivangHAHAHA11:10
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simirafabbione: hey, how's Ulla?11:38
fabbionesimira: looking like a whale more or less :)11:40
fabbionebut she is generally ok11:40
simirafabbione: any fish soon, then?11:40
fabbionea lot of pain here and there but that's normal the last weeks11:40
fabbionesimira: well it should be within the next week or so11:40
fabbioneshe is due to the 1311:41
simirafabbione: exciting. You should take care, then, both of you.11:41
fabbionewe do :)11:41
fabbionethat's why i am on the way to sleep11:41
simiragood night11:42
Mithrandirsimira: whales don't give birth to fish, but to small whales.11:44
simiraMithrandir: ok, but they eat a lot of fish, and some times they swim out again11:46
fabbioneeheheh11:47
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