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[] === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Jul 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team === DonLorenzo [n=larry@unaffiliated/donlorenzo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joycejjj [n=Joyce@67-42-86-219.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:59] @schedule Israel [08:59] Schedule for Israel: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 23:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team [09:00] sivang, ou are here? [09:00] you* [09:04] @schedule Ljubljana [09:04] Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team [09:05] HedgeMage will be joining the meeting in a few minutes. She wishes to express her apology for not being on time. === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-224-119.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:12] pygi, should we be making a start as we only have 45 mins until the next meeting [09:13] RobinShepheard, let's wait for Hedge [09:13] ok === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:13] @schedule detroit [09:13] Schedule for America/Detroit: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team === freemanen [n=freemane@c83-248-211-142.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:14] pygi, HedgeMage may be several minutes. ... I talked to her via cell phone when I posted before. She suggested you start without her. === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:16] @schedule chicago [09:16] Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 15:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [09:21] @schedule Europe/London [09:21] Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 21:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 20:00: Marketing Team [09:22] ok, so considering Susan isn't here let's continue... [09:22] who is here for the meeting? [09:23] me [09:23] I'm a token educator - Susan asked me to join you. [09:25] I'm kinda around [09:25] pygi, this meeting doesn't look so popular as normal === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:26] RobinShepheard, seems like two or three people will be working on cookbook once again (same happened with dapper) [09:26] well I am willing to lend a hand a do my bit [09:26] @schedule berlin [09:26] Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:27] so what is the plan of action then?? [09:27] I noticed that the wiki page for the meeting had not been updated to list the meeting [09:27] RobinShepheard, plan of action is likely that me and Susan will make final decision on name and chapters probably [09:28] as in today?? [09:28] as in "probably not today" === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:29] lol [09:32] pygi, how are you going to organise the templates for the docbook format or are we going to submit plain text and then markup later === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === HedgeMage [n=illecebr@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:40] Hey, folks [09:40] hiya HedgeMage [09:40] A thousand apologies for my tardiness, we had a family quasi-emergency [09:41] Where are we? === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B1044.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:41] oh, i stumbled into another meeting [09:41] we aren't really at the mo [09:41] Hi Amaranth :) [09:41] hi [09:41] nothing has happened as yet [09:41] Who all is here? [09:41] next meeting is in 20 minutes, might want to hurry :) === HedgeMage looks for awake people [09:42] <-----awake === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:42] Well, our first order of business was to be a vote on the new name for cookbook === RobinShepheard is also awake and ready to vote [09:43] suggestions from last meeting were "The Edubuntu Handbook" "The Edubuntu Guide" "Edubuntu Guidebook" and "Edubuntu for Beginners" [09:43] please give other suggestions now if you have them, when that's done we'll take comments, then vote [09:43] Edubuntu Handbook sounds nice [09:43] The Edubuntu Book ? [09:43] yeah [09:43] HedgeMage, how about edubuntu for everyone [09:44] hmm, that sounds good too [09:44] Don't want to make it sound like a beginner thing. [09:44] edubuntu made easy is proabaly not possible as there is a range of made easy books === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:44] It's for beginners but useful as a reference too, right? [09:44] right, same reason we struck "The Ultimate Guide to Edubuntu" === HedgeMage nods [09:45] Edubuntu Bible :P [09:45] hehe [09:45] Amaranth, but you need to make it approachable for beginners as well [09:45] RobinShepheard: Edubuntu Handbook does that too, I think. [09:45] true [09:45] no arguments about that === HedgeMage ponders [09:46] +1 for Edubuntu handbook [09:46] another +1 for Edubuntu Handbook [09:46] Amaranth, LaserJock , ogra ? [09:47] I believe I already voted. ;) [09:47] What about "Computing With Edubuntu" or something like that... hrm doesn't have the best ring to it I guess [09:47] handbook does sound professional === ogra is only lurking :) [09:47] Amaranth, do +1 or -1 :P [09:47] yeah, i didn't write any of it [09:47] ogra, still, vote pls :) [09:47] to be a bit pedantic, "Edubuntu User Guide and Reference" [09:47] ogra: you can vote, if you're interested :) [09:47] +1 then [09:47] I like Handbook as well [09:47] +1 for Edubntu Handbook, then [09:47] DonLorenzo, a bit of a mouthful [09:47] HedgeMage, that's +4 on Handbook [09:47] that's fine [09:47] Okay, it looks like "The Edubuntu Handbook" it is :) [09:48] -The :) [09:48] "Edubuntu Handbook" :) [09:48] okay [09:48] cool [09:48] next item of business: [09:48] cool [09:48] Divvying up chapters to work on === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Amaranth hides [09:49] I am quite happy to work on install of workstation [09:49] Everyone please reference https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyOutline Which has the chapter list for this edition [09:50] 10 minutes [09:51] are you folks almost finished here? we need this channel for the dev team meeting shortly [09:51] I'm asking that no one sign up for more than 3 chapters at first... you can take more when the first batch are done [09:51] mdz: almost, we'll be out of your hair in time :) [09:51] I am happy to do the standalone and maybe the basic netwoking [09:51] The sign-up sheet will be at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyTasks in about five minutes [09:52] We're working in docbook, but if you are not comfortable with it, feel free to save in .rtf or .odt or plaintext and one of the editors will change to docbook for you [09:52] mdz, will do, we'll try to move somewhere else [09:53] Please email submissions to HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net with "Handbook" in the title somewhere so that I can get them committed to the svn doc repo... this is a temporary arrangement while we get some commit privs worked out [09:53] This is a good time for questions since I know I've gone quickly :) === givre_ [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-55-240.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:55] HedgeMage, what about templates or fonts for use in docs [09:55] I'm adjourning to #edubuntu if there's anything further grab me there [09:55] 5 minutes, can the Edubuntu people wind up please [09:55] see you in edubuntu then [09:55] RobinShepheard: docbook is styled after the fact so don't worry about fonts... I'll put a sample chapter template together if that will be helpful === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:55] hi === HedgeMage waves [09:56] By guys === HedgeMage waves === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-114-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:57] @schedule Montreal [09:57] Schedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:57] hey sfllaw === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joycejjj [n=Joyce@67-42-86-219.tukw.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [09:59] everyone here? [10:00] yes [10:00] me here, but still drafting system-clean-up-tool === fabbione is === heno is here [10:00] Well, I am. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Jul 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team [10:00] Kamion and doko are excused, infinity I believe is still on holiday [10:00] mvo is on holiday too [10:00] hi [10:00] I'm here. === DonLorenzo [n=larry@unaffiliated/donlorenzo] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:00] I'm here [10:00] doko wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him *shrug* [10:01] fabbione,Mithrandir,BenC,ogra: ping === fabbione is here [10:01] ah, I see fabbione and heno now [10:01] :) [10:01] mdz: pong === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-235-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:01] pong === algor [n=fs_1@62-101-126-209.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === manichinos [n=linux@host61-11.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:02] anyone seen Mithrandir? [10:02] hi algor, manichinos [10:02] i am texting him [10:02] hi :-D [10:02] dholbach: doko said he would email an update but I didn't receive one; did he send it to you instead? === Darksun88 [n=michele@85-18-14-37.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:03] oh, I found it [10:03] mdz: no, as i said he wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him === Darksun88 [n=michele@85-18-14-37.fastres.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Sto] [10:03] mdz: Mith is on his way here [10:04] ok [10:04] we're going in random order for extra excitement [10:04] Keybuk: you're first [10:05] mdz: I don't have a pre-pasted plan, because I wasn't sure what we're supposed to actually be saying [10:05] this-week: merges, driving soyuz by hand, buildd stuff === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:05] Keybuk: I explained in the email what was expected; the usual status update + spec status [10:06] Keybuk: you have 5 specs approved and targeted for edgy; are there any more pending? [10:06] mdz: but we're not supposed to be doing spec work this week, no? :) [10:06] mdz: nope, that's the set [10:07] Keybuk: hmm? === manichinos [n=linux@host61-11.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:07] today was the deadline for getting specs approved for edgy, so it's a good time to review where they stand === jhemono [n=jhemono@84.5.150.66] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:07] Keybuk: in the past week you made MOM a lot better :-P [10:08] Keybuk: is the implementation status up to date on all of your specs? [10:08] mdz: yes, the implementation status is up to date [10:08] ok, thanks [10:08] dash-as-bin-sh is implemented [10:08] the others are either unstarted or started [10:08] seb128: next [10:09] This week: [10:09] - mails catching up [10:09] - started bugs catching up [10:09] - GTK 2.10, work on GNOME 2.15.3 [10:09] - syncs from Debian [10:09] . [10:09] Next week: [10:09] - keep catching up on bugs and syncs from Debian [10:09] - GNOME 2.15.4 [10:09] seb128: how are you doing on the merge? [10:09] pretty good, GNOME merges should be done for 2.15.4 next week [10:10] ok, great [10:10] we're doing very well on merge progress [10:10] :) [10:10] if we maintain a good pace, we should meet our target next week [10:10] cool [10:10] only 166 to go [10:10] 165 [10:10] mdz: the MoM doesn't show X [10:10] just to mention thats a lot of Keybuks fault :) [10:10] add another 90 or so :) [10:10] (that we are this fast) [10:10] fabbione: main-manual.html [10:11] fabbione: because it's a mess with mismatched .origs? [10:11] new mom is awesome [10:11] yes, well done Keybuk [10:11] mdz: it's a mess. <- full stop :) [10:11] pitti: not all of them show up there either [10:11] thanks seb128 [10:11] Colin is next, he emailed an update [10:11] seed-cleanup: Implemented. (People responsible for Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu seeds still need to merge the seed changes, which will probably be complicated; contact me if there are things you don't understand there.) [10:11] ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Approved. [10:11] misc: All other specs approved. Merges going fairly well (have been helping out a bit with the X merge). Also in the middle of an oem-config reorganisation which is a prerequisite for (a) my sanity and (b) part of a Google Summer of Code project. [10:11] next-week: Finish merges and oem-config reorganisation. Get the installer (at least d-i, and with any luck Ubiquity too) working in Edgy. [10:12] mdz: it's because the source packages first appeared in Debian, and when they appeared in Ubuntu, they had higher version numbers -- so there's no base for the merge [10:12] Riddell,ogra,janimo: note the seed-cleanup bit above [10:12] yep [10:12] i have it in my list for next week already [10:12] ok [10:12] Riddell: ack? [10:13] yep [10:13] thanks [10:13] rodarvus: next? [10:13] sure [10:13] * specs: [10:13] - fully-automatic-swap-server is approved [10:13] - ltsp-login-and-session-handling and edubuntu-xfce-desktop are under review (that will hopefully change very soon now) [10:13] * past week work: [10:13] - corrections/updates/clarifications to specs above [10:13] - Merges: getting up to speed with Ubuntu X packaging, X merges/sync (many many thanks to fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion) [10:13] - Edubuntu: EC meeting, new artwork lead was chosen (AliasVegas) [10:13] - OLPC: catching up with development, mailing lists and code + received confirmation of developer board [10:13] * next week: [10:13] - continue X merges/syncs (fabbione has status page at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs) [10:13] - hopefully merge/sync other unrelated/unclaimed bits [10:13] rodarvus: I'll help you with those two specs today; what time do you leave/sleep? [10:14] I'll sleep in 7-8 hours from now [10:14] so, plenty of time [10:14] ok, I'll have about 4 hours after the meeting before I need to go [10:15] rodarvus: are there any specs other than those three which are potential targets for you for edgy? [10:15] I'd also like to thank fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion for all the help with X merging [10:15] I think I'm finally catching up to speed with it [10:15] mdz, no [10:16] rodarvus: that should leave you some time for X ;-) [10:16] rodarvus: do you think you can put mesa on your list, too? it's currently 'my' merge, but I have no clue about it [10:16] there's stuff (LTSP related) I'd like to do, but they weren't specced before UDS (well, I joined one week before UDS :) ) [10:16] pitti, sure, I'll take it [10:16] ok [10:16] thanks rodarvus [10:16] doko is next, he emailed an update [10:16] it's long [10:16] status this week: [10:16] - OOo: 2.0.3 build, 2.0.2 security fixes for dapper and breezy (need building and testing) [10:16] - syncs: about 130 python syncs from unstable, all other syncs for main with me as uploader done [10:16] - specs: update specs, new python2.5 spec. [10:16] - SoC: a bit admin stuff [10:16] next week: [10:16] - more python syncs, check for build failures in synced packages [10:16] - finish packaging hints, we need it now. [10:16] edgy-toolchain status: [10:16] - required topics mostly done, the remaining topics are marked as optional, and may move to edgy+1-toolchain roadmap [10:16] edgyplusone-toolchain status: [10:16] - spec not yet approved [10:16] - we currently lack a possibility to upload packages to a common area, currently testing is done with gcc-snapshot for bugs/compatibility; gcc-4.2 packages would overwrite the 4.1 based packages in edgy. [10:17] - need to know when a prototype of the automatic-rebuild spec will be available, [10:17] I hadn't seen python2.5; I'll target and prioritize [10:17] Kamion approved it already [10:18] hmm, it needs clarification though [10:18] I'll talk with doko about it tomorrow [10:18] edgplusone-toolchain is approved now, since he sent that email [10:18] and targeted for edgy [10:18] heno: next [10:19] * Approved this week: sudo-admin-atspi, sok, livecd-access, edgy-content, xubuntu-accessibility [10:19] * Implemented this week: access-ubuntu-com at http://access.ubuntu.com [10:19] * sok: Made two new keyboard layouts and did testing. The basic keyboard now works nicely IMO. At some point I should speak with those who know about non-latin input and the xkb system. [10:19] * forum-integration: talking with the forum team about a new theme that matches our main site better, including using the same tabs [10:19] * compiz-mag: Slow progress ATM. Will be targeted for edgy+1, though we may get something into universe for edgy. [10:19] * Other: helping newz2000 get started [10:19] * NEXT WEEK: more webmaster tutoring, try to get compiz-mag moving better forward, prepare live CD boot images and sounds [10:19] sok is also approved and edgy-targeted now [10:19] yep, thanks [10:19] heno: forum-integration is set to informational; should it not be? [10:20] yes it should. I guess I should mention that under 'other' if anything [10:20] all the specs are marked and targeted correctly now AFAICS [10:20] ok, great [10:21] I lost net connection for some secs, back now === HedgeMage [n=illecebr@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:21] thanks heno [10:21] pitti: next [10:21] apt-get-debug-symbols: [10:21] - pkg-create-dbgsym package is in edgy, announced it and called for testing [10:21] - apart from bug fixes, this spec is done from my side, ball is in Soyuz field now [10:21] automated-problem-reports: [10:21] - tried various methods of reducing the coredump with objcopy without perfect results so far; just bzip2'ing the dump gives drastic shrinkage, though, so I'll just start with that [10:22] - plan for next week: write first version of backend (crash interception and report generation) [10:22] gcc-ssp: enabled in gcc since last Friday, no reported regressions so far; I set it to 'deployed' since not all packages have actually been rebuilt since then; nothing to do any more about this for now [10:22] auto-unmount-notifications: [10:22] - not started yet; not intrusive, so I'll deal with it after I'm done with my archive-wide specs [10:22] non-spec work done this week: [10:22] - merges: did all my merges except for mesa (beyond my abilities) and an updated cupsys merge (still to come, needs some serious thinking); also grabbed some merges from infinity, chmj, and a few others [10:22] - google SoC mid-term review [10:22] - couple of security updates [10:22] - cups update for dapper [10:22] - started gnutls12 -> 13 and libtasn1-2 -> 3 transitions; will finish that later since most of the transitions will be done through regular gnome and other uploads [10:22] plan for next week: [10:22] - help out others with merges [10:22] - catch up with bug mail [10:22] - work on automated-problem-reports [10:22] - some outstanding security updates [10:23] pitti: any edgyish specs which aren't approved yet? [10:23] oh, I forgot, my specs are in good shape [10:23] approval/edgy tag and time estimates are correct [10:23] s/correct/current/ for the estimates :) [10:23] and implementation status? [10:24] too [10:24] pitti: are the dapper printing updates already prepared? [10:24] present now, sorry about forgetting about the meeting. :-/ [10:24] mdz: yes, I'm waiting for your ack for the 1.2.2 bug fixes I added [10:24] mdz: well, cups is ready, ivoks is workign on gutenprint now [10:24] but that's independent [10:25] and we'll discuss hplip again === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:25] pitti: do I have an email about that? Idon't see it [10:26] mdz: shall we ressign apt-get-debug-symbols to some soyuz guy now to reflect it better? [10:26] mdz: no, IRC ping, I can mail you if you want [10:26] mdz: I just pastebin'ed you a small list of changes [10:26] pitti: I'll care for apt-get-debug-symbols and soyuz, thanks [10:26] pitti: I missed that; please do email [10:26] will do [10:27] pitti: thanks [10:27] BenC: next [10:27] libata-for-all-disks: IN PROGRESS: Libata is in the kernel, and some modules are being built. However, they are currently blacklisted until we test them and get the UUID conversion done. [10:27] linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS: Starting integration of kdump/kexec into kernel. Hopefully will be available in stages over the next few kernel uploads. [10:27] cfq-by-default: DONE: 2.6.17-4.6 implements this feature now. [10:27] SPECS general: Status on all specs up-to-date [10:27] ABAT: Stalled on IBM's side. Waiting to see what progress they've made [10:27] Bugs: Steady flow, but manageable still. [10:27] General kernel status: So far 2.6.17 seems pretty stable for most ppl. There are a couple of major issues, but they are isolated, and should be easily reconciled. Linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta now reflect 2.6.17 as the default kernel in Edgy. [10:28] BenC: who's working on the probe-for-root bit? [10:29] wasn't aware of the spec [10:29] BenC: that's the name for the UUID mounting [10:29] wasn't probe-for-root done dapper? [10:29] in dapper [10:29] yeah, UUID is a bit different I think [10:29] fabbione: only for removable devices [10:29] it was marked as implemented by i don't remember by who [10:29] fabbione: it was, but the transition to put uuids in fstab isn't done. [10:29] we deferred the rest [10:29] Mithrandir: ok [10:30] I implemented the d-i bits, but it's explicitly only enabled for USB/firewire devices. [10:30] the UUID thing is spec'd out in libata-for-all-disks, since it was dependent on i [10:30] Mithrandir: will you enable it by default for edgy? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Jul 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00 UTC: Kubuntu [10:30] mdz: I think that's in the spec, and it's a trivial change. I can do it, sure. [10:30] ok [10:31] BenC: can you do the migration for upgrades? [10:31] or are you blocked on it? [10:32] I can do the migration, but I'd really like someone to code review it === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:32] Keybuk: can you assist with that? [10:32] could easily screw up some systems if we don't get it right the first time [10:32] mdz: libata? I believe it's part-assigned to me -- especially themigration stuff [10:32] Keybuk: the migration specifically, yes [10:32] Keybuk was supposed to do migration, but really I can start on it if need be [10:33] so long as it's on someone's todo list [10:33] I'm happy [10:33] BenC: what's your plan for bugs regarding 2.6.15->2.6.17? [10:33] are you going to ask the reporters to reconfirm with 2.6.17? [10:33] that'd be a lot easier once we have a milestone, of course [10:34] over the next two weeks I'm going to push some bugs to target 2.6.17 so they can be verified in edgy [10:34] mdz: knot-1 is planned in a week. I wonder if we'll make it, but we have to start sometime.. [10:34] [TXT] edgy_probs.html 06-Jul-2006 20:44 160K [10:34] impressive [10:35] all python and x-dev are basically uninstallable [10:35] python is upgradeable now though [10:35] yeah probably [10:35] anyway, we'll see what happens next week [10:35] BenC: thanks [10:35] iwj: next [10:35] thanks as well [10:35] have been doing: merges, spec reviews etc. [10:35] firefox merge: still broken but I think I know what the problem is [10:35] merges: mine done except for firefox and apparently gs-gpl (which I thought I'd done but perhaps I didn't upload it) [10:35] automated-testing-deployment: now BLOCKED on xen-edgy [10:35] xen-edgy: some work done by Chuck Short aka zul on the kernel; nothing by me yet; I need to check on the current status [10:35] package-dependency-field-breaks: no further progress this week [10:35] suggest-packages-for-filetypes: mvo has done some minor changes and I need to pick it up [10:35] REQUEST: Merges become a lot easier if you make good patches and are sure to feed them upstream and/or to Debian. Ideally, nearly every merge should be a sync, surely ? When it's not we should consider whether to chase upstream and/or Debian again. [10:36] iwj: does the firefox merge include the human theme addition? [10:36] IMPORTANT: I propose that we move this meeting to 0700, 1500, 2300 UTC. Thanks to the nine people who replied with info. Sorry that first my mail to warthogs had various wrong dates and times. [10:36] No. [10:36] The theme is quite separate. [10:36] iwj: ++ on the meeting. [10:36] That is, the theme is in a different package. [10:36] I acked your meeting times proposal; does anyone wish to object now? [10:36] iwj: I mean the change to use the theme by default [10:36] mdz: No, that's not in this one but the diff is trivial. [10:36] new time++ [10:37] iwj: if it's trivial, please add it === dholbach is happy with the times [10:37] I mean, _really trivial_. [10:37] meeting time ++ [10:37] ++ [10:37] mdz: I'll do it in two uploads just because I'm paranoid. [10:37] I want an easy-to-revert upload for it I think. [10:37] so long as it isn't delayed [10:37] But it won't take any actual time to do two rather than one. My computer can grind for a bit. [10:37] ok [10:37] Noted. [10:37] sounds like the new meeting times are a hit, let's go ahead with it [10:37] Excellent. [10:38] iwj: please mail the Fridge folks and ask them to update the calendar accordinlgy [10:38] accordingly [10:38] mdz: Ack. [10:38] fridge-devel@lists I think [10:38] also we should set out the policy for the pre-meeting report paste [10:38] ouch, i can only make it to one of those meetings :/ [10:38] iwj: When does this start to take effect? [10:38]