[12:10] <pygi> what HedgeMage ?? :P
[12:10] <HedgeMage> lol
[12:10] <pygi> just you laugh
[12:43] <shawarma> @schedule copenhagen
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu
[03:47] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 06 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu
[04:05] <jsgotangco> whats with these crazy scheds in my timezone =)
[04:21] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu
[04:21] <GNAM> wow ubuntu develpment team
[04:35] <neuralis> @schedule Boston
[04:35] <neuralis> @schedule New_York
[04:35] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 06 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu
[04:50] <robitaille> @topic
[08:59] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 23:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 05:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team
[09:00] <pygi> sivang, ou are here?
[09:00] <pygi> you*
[09:04] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[09:05] <DonLorenzo> HedgeMage will be joining the meeting in a few minutes. She wishes to express her apology for not being on time.
[09:12] <RobinShepheard> pygi, should we be making a start as we only have 45 mins until the next meeting
[09:13] <pygi> RobinShepheard, let's wait for Hedge
[09:13] <RobinShepheard> ok
[09:13] <jjesse_> @schedule detroit
[09:13] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team
[09:14] <DonLorenzo> pygi, HedgeMage may be several minutes. ... I talked to her via cell phone when I posted before. She suggested you start without her.
[09:16] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[09:16] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 15:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 14:00: Marketing Team
[09:21] <sladen> @schedule Europe/London
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/London: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 21:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 20:00: Marketing Team
[09:22] <pygi> ok, so considering Susan isn't here let's continue...
[09:22] <pygi> who is here for the meeting?
[09:23] <RobinShepheard> me
[09:23] <joycejjj> I'm a token educator - Susan asked me to join you.  
[09:25] <LaserJock> I'm kinda around
[09:25] <RobinShepheard> pygi, this meeting doesn't look so popular as normal
[09:26] <pygi> RobinShepheard, seems like two or three people will be working on cookbook once again (same happened with dapper)
[09:26] <RobinShepheard> well I am willing to lend a hand a do my bit 
[09:26] <dholbach> @schedule berlin
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 22:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team
[09:27] <RobinShepheard> so what is the plan of action then??
[09:27] <RobinShepheard> I noticed that the wiki page for the meeting had not been updated to list the meeting
[09:27] <pygi> RobinShepheard, plan of action is likely that me and Susan will make final decision on name and chapters probably
[09:28] <RobinShepheard> as in today??
[09:28] <pygi> as in "probably not today"
[09:29] <RobinShepheard> lol
[09:32] <RobinShepheard> pygi, how are you going to organise the templates for the docbook format or are we going to submit plain text and then markup later
[09:40] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks
[09:40] <RobinShepheard> hiya HedgeMage 
[09:40] <HedgeMage> A thousand apologies for my tardiness, we had a family quasi-emergency
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Where are we?
[09:41] <Amaranth> oh, i stumbled into another meeting
[09:41] <RobinShepheard> we aren't really at the mo
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Hi Amaranth :)
[09:41] <Amaranth> hi
[09:41] <RobinShepheard> nothing has happened as yet
[09:41] <HedgeMage> Who all is here?
[09:41] <Amaranth> next meeting is in 20 minutes, might want to hurry :)
[09:42] <joycejjj> <-----awake
[09:42] <HedgeMage> Well, our first order of business was to be a vote on the new name for cookbook
[09:43] <HedgeMage> suggestions from last meeting were "The Edubuntu Handbook" "The Edubuntu Guide"  "Edubuntu Guidebook" and "Edubuntu for Beginners"
[09:43] <HedgeMage> please give other suggestions now if you have them, when that's done we'll take comments, then vote
[09:43] <Amaranth> Edubuntu Handbook sounds nice
[09:43] <ogra> The Edubuntu Book ?
[09:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:43] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage, how about edubuntu for everyone
[09:44] <LaserJock> hmm, that sounds good too
[09:44] <Amaranth> Don't want to make it sound like a beginner thing.
[09:44] <RobinShepheard> edubuntu made easy is proabaly not possible as there is a range of made easy books
[09:44] <Amaranth> It's for beginners but useful as a reference too, right?
[09:44] <HedgeMage> right, same reason we struck "The Ultimate Guide to Edubuntu"
[09:45] <ogra> Edubuntu Bible :P
[09:45] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:45] <RobinShepheard> Amaranth, but you need to make it approachable for beginners as well
[09:45] <Amaranth> RobinShepheard: Edubuntu Handbook does that too, I think.
[09:45] <RobinShepheard> true
[09:45] <RobinShepheard> no arguments about that
[09:46] <pygi> +1 for Edubuntu handbook
[09:46] <RobinShepheard> another +1 for Edubuntu Handbook
[09:46] <pygi> Amaranth, LaserJock , ogra ?
[09:47] <Amaranth> I believe I already voted. ;)
[09:47] <HedgeMage> What about "Computing With Edubuntu" or something like that... hrm doesn't have the best ring to it I guess
[09:47] <RobinShepheard> handbook does sound professional
[09:47] <pygi> Amaranth, do +1 or -1 :P
[09:47] <Amaranth> yeah, i didn't write any of it
[09:47] <pygi> ogra, still, vote pls :)
[09:47] <DonLorenzo> to be a bit pedantic, "Edubuntu User Guide and Reference"
[09:47] <HedgeMage> ogra: you can vote, if you're interested :)
[09:47] <ogra> +1 then
[09:47] <LaserJock> I like Handbook as well
[09:47] <Amaranth> +1 for Edubntu Handbook, then
[09:47] <RobinShepheard> DonLorenzo, a bit of a mouthful
[09:47] <pygi> HedgeMage, that's +4 on Handbook
[09:47] <pygi> that's fine
[09:47] <HedgeMage> Okay, it looks like "The Edubuntu Handbook" it is :)
[09:48] <Amaranth> -The :)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> "Edubuntu Handbook" :)
[09:48] <HedgeMage> okay
[09:48] <RobinShepheard> cool
[09:48] <HedgeMage> next item of business:
[09:48] <Amaranth> cool
[09:48] <HedgeMage> Divvying up chapters to work on
[09:49] <RobinShepheard> I am quite happy to work on install of workstation
[09:49] <HedgeMage> Everyone please reference https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyOutline  Which has the chapter list for this edition
[09:50] <Amaranth> 10 minutes
[09:51] <mdz> are you folks almost finished here?  we need this channel for the dev team meeting shortly
[09:51] <HedgeMage> I'm asking that no one sign up for more than 3 chapters at first... you can take more when the first batch are done
[09:51] <HedgeMage> mdz: almost, we'll be out of your hair in time :)
[09:51] <RobinShepheard> I am happy to do the standalone and maybe the basic netwoking
[09:51] <HedgeMage> The sign-up sheet will be at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/EdgyTasks in about five minutes
[09:52] <HedgeMage> We're working in docbook, but if you are not comfortable with it, feel free to save in .rtf or .odt or plaintext and one of the editors will change to docbook for you
[09:52] <pygi> mdz, will do, we'll try to move somewhere else
[09:53] <HedgeMage> Please email submissions to HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net with "Handbook" in the title somewhere so that I can get them committed to the svn doc repo... this is a temporary arrangement while we get some commit privs worked out
[09:53] <HedgeMage> This is a good time for questions since I know I've gone quickly :)
[09:55] <RobinShepheard> HedgeMage, what about templates or fonts for use in docs
[09:55] <HedgeMage> I'm adjourning to #edubuntu if there's anything further grab me there
[09:55] <sladen> 5 minutes, can the Edubuntu people wind up please
[09:55] <RobinShepheard> see you in edubuntu then
[09:55] <HedgeMage> RobinShepheard: docbook is styled after the fact so don't worry about fonts... I'll put a sample chapter template together if that will be helpful
[09:55] <pitti> hi
[09:56] <HedgeMage> By guys
[09:57] <sfllaw> @schedule Montreal
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: Current meeting: Edubuntu Cookbook | 06 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Jul 16:00: Community Council | 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team
[09:57] <pitti> hey sfllaw 
[09:59] <mdz> everyone here?
[10:00] <dholbach> yes
[10:00] <sivang> me here, but still drafting system-clean-up-tool 
[10:00] <sfllaw> Well, I am.
[10:00] <mdz> Kamion and doko are excused, infinity I believe is still on holiday
[10:00] <dholbach> mvo is on holiday too
[10:00] <Riddell> hi
[10:00] <iwj> I'm here.
[10:00] <rodarvus> I'm here
[10:00] <dholbach> doko wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him *shrug*
[10:01] <mdz> fabbione,Mithrandir,BenC,ogra: ping
[10:01] <mdz> ah, I see fabbione and heno now
[10:01] <fabbione> :)
[10:01] <BenC> mdz: pong
[10:01] <ogra> pong
[10:02] <mdz> anyone seen Mithrandir?
[10:02] <GNAM> hi algor, manichinos
[10:02] <fabbione> i am texting him
[10:02] <manichinos> hi :-D
[10:02] <mdz> dholbach: doko said he would email an update but I didn't receive one; did he send it to you instead?
[10:03] <mdz> oh, I found it
[10:03] <dholbach> mdz: no, as i said he wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him
[10:03] <fabbione> mdz: Mith is on his way here
[10:04] <mdz> ok
[10:04] <mdz> we're going in random order for extra excitement
[10:04] <mdz> Keybuk: you're first
[10:05] <Keybuk> mdz: I don't have a pre-pasted plan, because I wasn't sure what we're supposed to actually be saying
[10:05] <Keybuk> this-week: merges, driving soyuz by hand, buildd stuff
[10:05] <mdz> Keybuk: I explained in the email what was expected; the usual status update + spec status
[10:06] <mdz> Keybuk: you have 5 specs approved and targeted for edgy; are there any more pending?
[10:06] <Keybuk> mdz: but we're not supposed to be doing spec work this week, no? :)
[10:06] <Keybuk> mdz: nope, that's the set
[10:07] <mdz> Keybuk: hmm?
[10:07] <mdz> today was the deadline for getting specs approved for edgy, so it's a good time to review where they stand
[10:07] <mdz> Keybuk: in the past week you made MOM a lot better :-P
[10:08] <mdz> Keybuk: is the implementation status up to date on all of your specs?
[10:08] <Keybuk> mdz: yes, the implementation status is up to date
[10:08] <mdz> ok, thanks
[10:08] <Keybuk> dash-as-bin-sh is implemented
[10:08] <Keybuk> the others are either unstarted or started
[10:08] <mdz> seb128: next
[10:09] <seb128> This week:
[10:09] <seb128> - mails catching up
[10:09] <seb128> - started bugs catching up
[10:09] <seb128> - GTK 2.10, work on GNOME 2.15.3
[10:09] <seb128> - syncs from Debian
[10:09] <seb128> .
[10:09] <seb128> Next week:
[10:09] <seb128> - keep catching up on bugs and syncs from Debian
[10:09] <seb128> - GNOME 2.15.4
[10:09] <mdz> seb128: how are you doing on the merge?
[10:09] <seb128> pretty good, GNOME merges should be done for 2.15.4 next week
[10:10] <mdz> ok, great
[10:10] <mdz> we're doing very well on merge progress
[10:10] <seb128> :)
[10:10] <mdz> if we maintain a good pace, we should meet our target next week
[10:10] <seb128> cool
[10:10] <mdz> only 166 to go
[10:10] <mdz> 165
[10:10] <fabbione> mdz: the MoM doesn't show X
[10:10] <ogra> just to mention thats a lot of Keybuks fault :)
[10:10] <fabbione> add another 90 or so :)
[10:10] <ogra> (that we are this fast)
[10:10] <pitti> fabbione: main-manual.html
[10:11] <mdz> fabbione: because it's a mess with mismatched  .origs?
[10:11] <ogra> new mom is awesome
[10:11] <mdz> yes, well done Keybuk
[10:11] <fabbione> mdz: it's a mess. <- full stop :)
[10:11] <fabbione> pitti: not all of them show up there either
[10:11] <mdz> thanks seb128
[10:11] <mdz> Colin is next, he emailed an update
[10:11] <mdz> seed-cleanup: Implemented. (People responsible for Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu seeds still need to merge the seed changes, which will probably be complicated; contact me if there are things you don't understand there.)
[10:11] <mdz> ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Approved.
[10:11] <mdz> misc: All other specs approved. Merges going fairly well (have been helping out a bit with the X merge). Also in the middle of an oem-config reorganisation which is a prerequisite for (a) my sanity and (b) part of a Google Summer of Code project.
[10:11] <mdz> next-week: Finish merges and oem-config reorganisation. Get the installer (at least d-i, and with any luck Ubiquity too) working in Edgy.
[10:12] <Keybuk> mdz: it's because the source packages first appeared in Debian, and when they appeared in Ubuntu, they had higher version numbers -- so there's no base for the merge
[10:12] <mdz> Riddell,ogra,janimo: note the seed-cleanup bit above
[10:12] <ogra> yep
[10:12] <ogra> i have it in my list for next week already 
[10:12] <mdz> ok
[10:12] <mdz> Riddell: ack?
[10:13] <Riddell> yep
[10:13] <mdz> thanks
[10:13] <mdz> rodarvus: next?
[10:13] <rodarvus> sure
[10:13] <rodarvus> * specs:
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - fully-automatic-swap-server is approved
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - ltsp-login-and-session-handling and edubuntu-xfce-desktop are under review (that will hopefully change very soon now)
[10:13] <rodarvus> * past week work:
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - corrections/updates/clarifications to specs above
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - Merges: getting up to speed with Ubuntu X packaging, X merges/sync (many many thanks to fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion)
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - Edubuntu: EC meeting, new artwork lead was chosen (AliasVegas)
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - OLPC: catching up with development, mailing lists and code + received confirmation of developer board
[10:13] <rodarvus> * next week:
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - continue X merges/syncs (fabbione has status page at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs)
[10:13] <rodarvus>  - hopefully merge/sync other unrelated/unclaimed bits
[10:13] <mdz> rodarvus: I'll help you with those two specs today; what time do you leave/sleep?
[10:14] <rodarvus> I'll sleep in 7-8 hours from now
[10:14] <rodarvus> so, plenty of time
[10:14] <mdz> ok, I'll have about 4 hours after the meeting before I need to go
[10:15] <mdz> rodarvus: are there any specs other than those three which are potential targets for you for edgy?
[10:15] <rodarvus> I'd also like to thank fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion for all the help with X merging
[10:15] <rodarvus> I think I'm finally catching up to speed with it
[10:15] <rodarvus> mdz, no
[10:16] <mdz> rodarvus: that should leave you some time for X ;-)
[10:16] <pitti> rodarvus: do you think you can put mesa on your list, too? it's currently 'my' merge, but I have no clue about it
[10:16] <rodarvus> there's stuff (LTSP related) I'd like to do, but they weren't specced before UDS (well, I joined one week before UDS :) )
[10:16] <rodarvus> pitti, sure, I'll take it
[10:16] <mdz> ok
[10:16] <mdz> thanks rodarvus
[10:16] <mdz> doko is next, he emailed an update
[10:16] <mdz> it's long
[10:16] <mdz> status this week:
[10:16] <mdz> - OOo: 2.0.3 build, 2.0.2 security fixes for dapper and breezy (need building and testing)
[10:16] <mdz> - syncs: about 130 python syncs from unstable, all other syncs for main with me as uploader done
[10:16] <mdz> - specs: update specs, new python2.5 spec.
[10:16] <mdz> - SoC: a bit admin stuff
[10:16] <mdz> next week:
[10:16] <mdz> - more python syncs, check for build failures in synced packages
[10:16] <mdz> - finish packaging hints, we need it now.
[10:16] <mdz> edgy-toolchain status:
[10:16] <mdz> - required topics mostly done, the remaining topics are marked as optional, and may move to edgy+1-toolchain roadmap
[10:16] <mdz> edgyplusone-toolchain status:
[10:16] <mdz> - spec not yet approved
[10:16] <mdz> - we currently lack a possibility to upload packages to a common area, currently testing is done with gcc-snapshot for bugs/compatibility; gcc-4.2 packages would overwrite the 4.1 based packages in edgy.
[10:17] <mdz> - need to know when a prototype of the automatic-rebuild spec will be available,
[10:17] <mdz> I hadn't seen python2.5; I'll target and prioritize
[10:17] <mdz> Kamion approved it already
[10:18] <mdz> hmm, it needs clarification though
[10:18] <mdz> I'll talk with doko about it tomorrow
[10:18] <mdz> edgplusone-toolchain is approved now, since he sent that email
[10:18] <mdz> and targeted for edgy
[10:18] <mdz> heno: next
[10:19] <heno>  * Approved this week: sudo-admin-atspi, sok, livecd-access, edgy-content, xubuntu-accessibility
[10:19] <heno>  * Implemented this week: access-ubuntu-com at http://access.ubuntu.com
[10:19] <heno>  * sok: Made two new keyboard layouts and did testing. The basic keyboard now works nicely IMO. At some point I should speak with those who know about non-latin input and the xkb system.
[10:19] <heno>  * forum-integration: talking with the forum team about a new theme that matches our main site better, including using the same tabs 
[10:19] <heno>  * compiz-mag: Slow progress ATM. Will be targeted for edgy+1, though we may get something into universe for edgy.
[10:19] <heno>  * Other: helping newz2000 get started
[10:19] <heno>  * NEXT WEEK: more webmaster tutoring, try to get compiz-mag moving better forward, prepare live CD boot images and sounds
[10:19] <mdz> sok is also approved and edgy-targeted now
[10:19] <heno> yep, thanks
[10:19] <mdz> heno: forum-integration is set to informational; should it not be?
[10:20] <heno> yes it should. I guess I should mention that under 'other' if anything
[10:20] <heno> all the specs are marked and targeted correctly now AFAICS
[10:20] <mdz> ok, great
[10:21] <sivang> I lost net connection for some secs, back now
[10:21] <mdz> thanks heno
[10:21] <mdz> pitti: next
[10:21] <pitti> apt-get-debug-symbols:
[10:21] <pitti>  - pkg-create-dbgsym package is in edgy, announced it and called for testing
[10:21] <pitti>  - apart from bug fixes, this spec is done from my side, ball is in Soyuz field now
[10:21] <pitti> automated-problem-reports:
[10:21] <pitti>  - tried various methods of reducing the coredump with objcopy without perfect results so far; just bzip2'ing the dump gives drastic shrinkage, though, so I'll just start with that
[10:22] <pitti>  - plan for next week: write first version of backend (crash interception and report generation)
[10:22] <pitti> gcc-ssp: enabled in gcc since last Friday, no reported regressions so far; I set it to 'deployed' since not all packages have actually been rebuilt since then; nothing to do any more about this for now
[10:22] <pitti> auto-unmount-notifications:
[10:22] <pitti>  - not started yet; not intrusive, so I'll deal with it after I'm done with my archive-wide specs
[10:22] <pitti> non-spec work done this week:
[10:22] <pitti>  - merges: did all my merges except for mesa (beyond my abilities) and an updated cupsys merge (still to come, needs some serious thinking); also grabbed some merges from infinity, chmj, and a few others
[10:22] <pitti>  - google SoC mid-term review
[10:22] <pitti>  - couple of security updates
[10:22] <pitti>  - cups update for dapper
[10:22] <pitti>  - started gnutls12 -> 13 and libtasn1-2 -> 3 transitions; will finish that later since most of the transitions will be done through regular gnome and other uploads
[10:22] <pitti> plan for next week:
[10:22] <pitti>  - help out others with merges
[10:22] <pitti>  - catch up with bug mail
[10:22] <pitti>  - work on automated-problem-reports
[10:22] <pitti>  - some outstanding security updates
[10:23] <mdz> pitti: any edgyish specs which aren't approved yet?
[10:23] <pitti> oh, I forgot, my specs are in good shape
[10:23] <pitti> approval/edgy tag and time estimates are correct
[10:23] <pitti> s/correct/current/ for the estimates :)
[10:23] <mdz> and implementation status?
[10:24] <pitti> too
[10:24] <mdz> pitti: are the dapper printing updates already prepared?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> present now, sorry about forgetting about the meeting. :-/
[10:24] <pitti> mdz: yes, I'm waiting for your ack for the 1.2.2 bug fixes I added
[10:24] <pitti> mdz: well, cups is ready, ivoks is workign on gutenprint now
[10:24] <pitti> but that's independent
[10:25] <pitti> and we'll discuss hplip again
[10:25] <mdz> pitti: do I have an email about that?  Idon't see it
[10:26] <pitti> mdz: shall we ressign apt-get-debug-symbols to some soyuz guy now to reflect it better?
[10:26] <pitti> mdz: no, IRC ping, I can mail you if you want
[10:26] <pitti> mdz: I just pastebin'ed you a small list of changes
[10:26] <mdz> pitti: I'll care for apt-get-debug-symbols and soyuz, thanks
[10:26] <mdz> pitti: I missed that; please do email
[10:26] <pitti> will do
[10:27] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[10:27] <mdz> BenC: next
[10:27] <BenC> libata-for-all-disks: IN PROGRESS: Libata is in the kernel, and some modules are being built. However, they are currently blacklisted until we test them and get the UUID conversion done.
[10:27] <BenC> linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS: Starting integration of kdump/kexec into kernel. Hopefully will be available in stages over the next few kernel uploads.
[10:27] <BenC> cfq-by-default: DONE: 2.6.17-4.6 implements this feature now.
[10:27] <BenC> SPECS general: Status on all specs up-to-date
[10:27] <BenC> ABAT: Stalled on IBM's side. Waiting to see what progress they've made
[10:27] <BenC> Bugs: Steady flow, but manageable still.
[10:27] <BenC> General kernel status: So far 2.6.17 seems pretty stable for most ppl. There are a couple of major issues, but they are isolated, and should be easily reconciled. Linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta now reflect 2.6.17 as the default kernel in Edgy.
[10:28] <mdz> BenC: who's working on the probe-for-root bit?
[10:29] <BenC> wasn't aware of the spec
[10:29] <mdz> BenC: that's the name for the UUID mounting
[10:29] <fabbione> wasn't probe-for-root done dapper?
[10:29] <fabbione> in dapper
[10:29] <BenC> yeah, UUID is a bit different I think
[10:29] <mdz> fabbione: only for removable devices
[10:29] <fabbione> it was marked as implemented by i don't remember by who
[10:29] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it was, but the transition to put uuids in fstab isn't done.
[10:29] <mdz> we deferred the rest
[10:29] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ok
[10:30] <Mithrandir> I implemented the d-i bits, but it's explicitly only enabled for USB/firewire devices.
[10:30] <BenC> the UUID thing is spec'd out in libata-for-all-disks, since it was dependent on i
[10:30] <mdz> Mithrandir: will you enable it by default for edgy?
[10:30] <Mithrandir> mdz: I think that's in the spec, and it's a trivial change.  I can do it, sure.
[10:30] <mdz> ok
[10:31] <mdz> BenC: can you do the migration for upgrades?
[10:31] <mdz> or are you blocked on it?
[10:32] <BenC> I can do the migration, but I'd really like someone to code review it
[10:32] <mdz> Keybuk: can you assist with that?
[10:32] <BenC> could easily screw up some systems if we don't get it right the first time
[10:32] <Keybuk> mdz: libata?  I believe it's part-assigned to me -- especially themigration stuff
[10:32] <mdz> Keybuk: the migration specifically, yes
[10:32] <BenC> Keybuk was supposed to do migration, but really I can start on it if need be
[10:33] <mdz> so long as it's on someone's todo list
[10:33] <mdz> I'm happy
[10:33] <mdz> BenC: what's your plan for bugs regarding 2.6.15->2.6.17?
[10:33] <mdz> are you going to ask the reporters to reconfirm with 2.6.17?
[10:33] <mdz> that'd be a lot easier once we have a milestone, of course
[10:34] <BenC> over the next two weeks I'm going to push some bugs to target 2.6.17 so they can be verified in edgy
[10:34] <Mithrandir> mdz: knot-1 is planned in a week.  I wonder if we'll make it, but we have to start sometime..
[10:34] <mdz> [TXT]  edgy_probs.html         06-Jul-2006 20:44  160K  
[10:34] <mdz> impressive
[10:35] <fabbione> all python and x-dev are basically uninstallable
[10:35] <mdz> python is upgradeable now though
[10:35] <fabbione> yeah probably
[10:35] <mdz> anyway, we'll see what happens next week
[10:35] <mdz> BenC: thanks
[10:35] <mdz> iwj: next
[10:35] <BenC> thanks as well
[10:35] <iwj> have been doing: merges, spec reviews etc.
[10:35] <iwj> firefox merge: still broken but I think I know what the problem is
[10:35] <iwj> merges: mine done except for firefox and apparently gs-gpl (which I thought I'd done but perhaps I didn't upload it)
[10:35] <iwj> automated-testing-deployment: now BLOCKED on xen-edgy
[10:35] <iwj> xen-edgy: some work done by Chuck Short aka zul on the kernel; nothing by me yet; I need to check on the current status
[10:35] <iwj> package-dependency-field-breaks: no further progress this week
[10:35] <iwj> suggest-packages-for-filetypes: mvo has done some minor changes and I need to pick it up
[10:35] <iwj> REQUEST: Merges become a lot easier if you make good patches and are sure to feed them upstream and/or to Debian.  Ideally, nearly every merge should be a sync, surely ?  When it's not we should consider whether to chase upstream and/or Debian again.
[10:36] <mdz> iwj: does the firefox merge include the human theme addition?
[10:36] <iwj> IMPORTANT: I propose that we move this meeting to 0700, 1500, 2300 UTC.  Thanks to the nine people who replied with info.  Sorry that first my mail to warthogs had various wrong dates and times.
[10:36] <iwj> No.
[10:36] <iwj> The theme is quite separate.
[10:36] <fabbione> iwj: ++ on the meeting.
[10:36] <iwj> That is, the theme is in a different package.
[10:36] <mdz> I acked your meeting times proposal; does anyone wish to object now?
[10:36] <mdz> iwj: I mean the change to use the theme by default
[10:36] <iwj> mdz: No, that's not in this one but the diff is trivial.
[10:36] <pitti> new time++
[10:37] <mdz> iwj: if it's trivial, please add it
[10:37] <iwj> I mean, _really trivial_.
[10:37] <BenC> meeting time ++
[10:37] <ogra> ++
[10:37] <iwj> mdz: I'll do it in two uploads just because I'm paranoid.
[10:37] <iwj> I want an easy-to-revert upload for it I think.
[10:37] <mdz> so long as it isn't delayed
[10:37] <iwj> But it won't take any actual time to do two rather than one.  My computer can grind for a bit.
[10:37] <mdz> ok
[10:37] <iwj> Noted.
[10:37] <mdz> sounds like the new meeting times are a hit, let's go ahead with it
[10:37] <iwj> Excellent.
[10:38] <mdz> iwj: please mail the Fridge folks and ask them to update the calendar accordinlgy
[10:38] <mdz> accordingly
[10:38] <iwj> mdz: Ack.
[10:38] <mdz> fridge-devel@lists I think
[10:38] <Keybuk> also we should set out the policy for the pre-meeting report paste
[10:38] <Amaranth> ouch, i can only make it to one of those meetings :/
[10:38] <sfllaw> iwj: When does this start to take effect?
[10:38] <Amaranth> oh well, i don't count
[10:38] <Keybuk> and indicate where those are to go
[10:38] <mdz> sfllaw: next week
[10:38] <iwj> Keybuk: We were expecting sfllaw to do that, weren't we ?
[10:38] <sfllaw> Indeed.
[10:38] <pitti> Keybuk: preferably on an ubuntu wiki page
[10:38] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: we also need somebody to whip the slackers.
[10:38] <fabbione> sfllaw: can we move that wiki thingy to the public wiki? or do we want to keep it internal?
[10:39] <sfllaw> Can we wait until it's my turn so we don't delay the meeting?
[10:39] <iwj> sfllaw: your turn> Good idea.
[10:39] <mdz> ok
[10:40] <mdz> iwj: any specs which ought to be targeted for edgy which aren't approved yet?
[10:40] <iwj> No.
[10:40] <mdz> ok
[10:40] <LaserJock> iwj: what do you want to do with developer-referenfce?
[10:40] <mdz> regarding feeding patches upstream, we have a plan for more automation there which is waiting for a new soyuz feature
[10:40] <iwj> LaserJock: I was going to do my other specs and then see if I had time for it.
[10:41] <iwj> mdz: Has this been discussed with Debian ?
[10:41] <mdz> iwj: yes
[10:41] <iwj> Excellent.
[10:41] <mdz> long thread on debian-devel
[10:41] <mdz> iwj: thanks
[10:41] <mdz> ogra: next
[10:41] <iwj> I must have missed it somehow.  Maybe it looked like a flamewar.
[10:41] <ogra> * last-week: started moving ltsp to a common buildsystem (autoconf/automake), shuffled ltsp branches around so we have the right structure now, merged: gartoon, fuse, iftraf, pwgen, rss-glx, tuxmath, tuxpaint, xscreensaver, did SoC mid term review
[10:41] <ogra> * outstanding merges: kdeedu (currently building the final package (since 1,5h, kudos to Riddell)), kino, nessus-plugins, xfonts-terminus (waiting for x to be ready for font merges)
[10:41] <ogra> * next-week: finishing merges, several meetings with the debian ltsp guys planned to finish the common buildsystem move before UVF, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics in monday, getting the edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD, grabbing orphaned merges, uploading the first version of willowng (the SoC work)
[10:41] <ogra> * specs: 
[10:41] <ogra> - student-control-panel-completion: (Needs Review)
[10:41] <ogra> - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (not started yet, nedds more update for scott balneaves (planned, see above))
[10:41] <ogra> - ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem started (see above))
[10:41] <ogra> - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (not started)
[10:41] <ogra> Hawkwind, strike kdeedu ... it just finished successfull :))
[10:42] <ogra> oh
[10:42] <ogra> s/Hawkwind/HA/
[10:42] <mdz> speaking of fonts, is someone on xfonts-utils?
[10:42] <fabbione> mdz: we need to finish the libs first
[10:42] <mdz> ok
[10:42] <ogra> yep, its on fabbiones list
[10:42] <mdz> ogra: how did the ltsp/bzr meeting go?
[10:42] <fabbione> mdz: and fonts need some special attention because Debian is using yet again another fonts path
[10:42] <mdz> fabbione: garrr
[10:43] <ogra> mdz, only partially ... long story, sbalneav was called away by his boss after 45mins
[10:43] <mdz> ogra: which specs should be targeted for edgy but are not yet approved+targeted?
[10:43] <ogra> student control panel
[10:44] <mdz> ok, I'll help with that today
[10:44] <mdz> is everything ok?
[10:44] <iwj> ogra: Sorry about that.  Maybe we should get someone else to review your specs.
[10:44] <ogra> on my side it is now, i've calmed down 
[10:44] <iwj> Next time, I mean.
[10:45] <mdz> ok
[10:45] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[10:45] <mdz> Mithrandir: next
[10:45] <ogra> yes, probably ... but  i'm willing to try once again, we should overcome this ... arent we pofessionals ? ;)
[10:45] <Mithrandir> misc: merges, particularly the X merge.  Also been impersonating Adam and Charles for merging.  Also reviewed a couple of specs.  Also uploaded Opera to dapper-commercial
[10:45] <Mithrandir> sane-installer-keyboard: no progress, some loose discussion in #debian-boot about it
[10:45] <Mithrandir> live-cd-stacked-filesystems: no progress apart from being told about squashfs supporting those directly without unionfs and will look into that
[10:46] <Mithrandir> live-cd-write-as-you-go: blocked on packet-writing which I became aware of recently
[10:46] <Mithrandir> packet-writing: needs to be reviewed and fixed up for edgy ASAP.  I'll do this before going to bed
[10:46] <Mithrandir> livecd-sessions: no progress
[10:46] <mdz> ogra,iwj: let's talk about it after the meeting
[10:46] <Mithrandir> livec-cd-share-live-cd: bumped back to drafting, haven't had time to look at this.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> next week: more merges, get X into shape, get knot 1 out.
[10:46] <iwj> mdz: OK.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> I'll mail d-d-a about the knot-1 freeze.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> uh, u-d-a
[10:46] <mdz> heh 
[10:46] <dholbach> Mithrandir: when do you think the freeze will be? roughly?
[10:46] <mdz> Mithrandir: anything pending on the spec approval+targeting front?
[10:47] <Mithrandir> mdz: I need to get the packet-writing approved as I said.  I'm tempted to postpone livec-cd-share-live-cd unless I can get it approved tomorrow.
[10:47] <Mithrandir> dholbach: well, I'd like it to happen on wednesday, but UVF is in exactly a week, so I need to do something clever.
[10:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: the other livecd features seem more interesting to me
[10:48] <mdz> Mithrandir: I'll go over packet-writing with you later tonight if you're around
[10:48] <Mithrandir> mdz: ogra and the ltsp people seem crazy about the share-live-cd one since it can be used for making a ltsp live cd.
[10:48] <Mithrandir> mdz: it's almost 2300 here, but I'll fix that up, so that'd be great.
[10:49] <mdz> Mithrandir: crazy enough to help with the spec or implementation? :-P
[10:49] <ogra> (it would enable edubuntu to ship on the desktop CD)
[10:49] <ogra> as a sideeffect
[10:50] <ogra> Mithrandir, how big is that ?
[10:50] <mdz> please discuss after the meeting, we're short on time
[10:50] <ogra> ok
[10:50] <Mithrandir> ogra: the spec is mostly minor stuff.  I have an idea how to do the implementation, but post-meeting.
[10:50] <mdz> Mithrandir: is opera ready to be added to app-install-data-commercial?  I don't remember seeing it there
[10:51] <Mithrandir> mdz: I think so.  I just uploaded it and haven't seen an ACCEPT message from the queue even, so I don't know where it sits.
[10:51] <mdz> ah, ok
[10:51] <mdz> Mithrandir: thanks
[10:51] <mdz> dholbach: next
[10:51] <dholbach> specs approved: easier-motuing (no progress); automating-artwork (no progress - apart from what's mentioned in the spec already); galago-in-ubuntu (started, investigating ftbfs of one lib)
[10:51] <dholbach> spec which needs work: future-of-gst (conversations with carlos have happened during guadec, list of tasks identified, gst 2.15 uploaded, but not built yet (needed to indicate and demonstrate), spec needs to be finalized)
[10:51] <dholbach> this week: merges and updates of gnome (updates: 80% done, amount of merges good-looking), hell lot of bug triage, trying to be mvo as much I can, make my inbox love me again, SoC review (done)
[10:51] <dholbach> next week: gnome 2.15.4, bug triage, starting on easier-motuing, automating-artwork (and updates and splitting of the packages), trying to be mvo as much I can
[10:51] <dholbach> week after that: HUG DAY! sfllaw?
[10:52] <mdz> dholbach: we can talk about future-of-gst a bit later if you're here
[10:52] <mdz> otherwise maybe tomorrow
[10:52] <dholbach> tomorrow would be cool
[10:52] <mdz> the list of specs to drive last-minute today is getting long
[10:52] <dholbach> seb128: what do you think?
[10:53] <mdz> ok
[10:53] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[10:53] <dholbach> de rien
[10:53] <mdz> sfllaw: next
[10:53] <seb128> dholbach: tomorrow
[10:53] <sfllaw> Done: Bug triage, SoC mentoring, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, scouting for new hires.
[10:53] <sfllaw> Todo: Bug triage, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, SoC mentoring, test plans for edgy specs.
[10:53] <sfllaw> Specs:
[10:53] <sfllaw> - multi-machine-testing-infrastructure (Review)
[10:54] <sfllaw> - edgy-testing (drafting)
[10:54] <sfllaw> - drinking-from-the-firehose (drafting)
[10:54] <sfllaw> Also, I'd like some feedback on http://www.canonical.com/DistroTeamMeetings
[10:54] <sfllaw> .
[10:54] <sfllaw> STATISTICS
[10:54] <sfllaw> [10:54] <mdz> sfllaw: since you'll need to poke people to get those pastes anyway, could you take responsibility for announcing the meeting 24+hours prior as I did this week?
[10:54] <sfllaw> Since last week...
[10:54] <sfllaw> Unconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 2284 -> 2760
[10:54] <sfllaw> Untriaged bugs: 723 -> 861
[10:54] <sfllaw> Needs Info bugs: 1753 -> 1794
[10:54] <sfllaw> Dapper bugs: 75 -> 74
[10:54] <sfllaw> Edgy bugs: 3 -> 4
[10:54] <sfllaw> Bugs without packages: 1502 -> 1533
[10:54] <sfllaw> iwj: Is it the 7h00 UTC meeting next week?
[10:54] <sfllaw> People have suggested that I move DistroTeamMeetings to the public wiki.
[10:54] <sfllaw> Uhm, OK.
[10:54] <iwj> sfllaw: Yes.
[10:54] <sfllaw> Yay.  It's a whole hour better than it was before.
[10:54] <sfllaw> :)
[10:55] <pitti> sfllaw: public++ (#u-m is public and publicly logged, too)
[10:55] <mdz> DistroTeamMeetings doesn't seem to exist
[10:55] <sivang> rigth
[10:55] <Keybuk> mdz: s/www/wiki/
[10:55] <sfllaw> Sorry.
[10:55] <mdz> ah
[10:55] <mdz> sfllaw: what's the plan for your specs?  you don't have anything targeted for edgy yet
[10:56] <mdz> drinking-from-the-firehose is informational, yes?
[10:56] <sfllaw> Edgy-testing is targetted for Edgy.  As is drinking-from-the-firehose.
[10:56] <mdz> neither is on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs
[10:56] <sfllaw> :(
[10:56] <mdz> we're only targeting specs once they're approved
[10:57] <mdz> edgy-testing is marked informational as well
[10:57] <mdz> though there is indirect work associated with it
[10:57] <mdz> let's discuss after the meeting what to do
[10:57] <sfllaw> OK.
[10:57] <mdz> thanks
[10:57] <mdz> Riddell: next
[10:57] <Riddell> done: merges, Kubuntu packages in main should be done by tomorrow although some poking of buildds will be needed and some main inclusion reports todo.  universe also progressing well thanks to MOTU
[10:57] <Riddell> next week: kubuntu-launchpad-integration and if time kubuntu-easy-zeroconf.  Knot 1?
[10:57] <Riddell> specs: all approved except kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue (not too important), thanks reviewers
[10:58] <iwj> Are we running very late ?  It's difficult to tell in random order ...
[10:58] <mdz> iwj: almost done
[10:58] <mdz> fabbione and sivang
[10:59] <mdz> Riddell: are you going to try to get k-f-t-d through or defer it?  you have a bunch of stuff already, though some of it may not be for you personally
[10:59] <mdz> Riddell: e.g., isn't mornfall implementing the adept stuff?
[10:59] <Riddell> mdz: kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue should be close to though, kamion only had a small comment for it
[11:00] <Riddell> yes, the adept ones should be assigned to mornfall (although he's not decided if he'll do it as a bounty yet)
[11:00] <Riddell> I don't expect to have time for kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue
[11:00] <mdz> Riddell: ok, please reassign them as appropriate so it's clear who's doing what
[11:00] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[11:00] <mdz> fabbione: next
[11:00] <Riddell> also kwwii says he's unlikely to get kubuntu-icons done for edgy
[11:00] <fabbione> * specs: ubuntu-edgy-cluster and sparc64-port have been approved. Got a thumb up from silbs on the internal spec that is waiting for mdz and/or sabdfl for distro/lp allocation. no other specs are in queue for edgy.
[11:00] <fabbione> * sparc64-port: My t2000 is temporary busy running the hw certification software for Marc.
[11:00] <fabbione> * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: Working on GFS2 userland new deps (openais) and coordinating with upstream for a release date. Addressing some 32/64/endianess problems and getting all our patches upstream to reduce the maintainance load (5/8 are up already). No changes from last week.
[11:00] <fabbione> * last week: completed gcc bug fixing/testing in edgy (sparc), completed the sparc64-port and ubuntu-edgy-cluster specs, done libparted check on sparc for Kamion with no real luck, dovecot regression from breezy to dapper has been addressed to upstream that is working on a solution, basically done all my merges and helping out with X merges. Some minimal mentoring to Rodrigo that's moving his first steps really really fast.
[11:01] <fabbione> * next week: complete the merges, start working full steam on the other specs, whatever is needed (!= X).
[11:01] <mdz> fabbione: how long before you disappear?
[11:01] <fabbione> mdz: -ENOCLUE
[11:01] <mdz> but soon, no?
[11:02] <fabbione> mdz: i did ask my wife for an ETA on delivery but she gave me a finger.. not a nice one :)
[11:02] <mdz> heh
[11:02] <fabbione> mdz: yes pretty soon
[11:02] <sivang> hehe
[11:02] <mdz> fabbione: dovecot -> dapper-updates?
[11:02] <pitti> fabbione: *crossing fingers*, all the best
[11:02] <Keybuk> fabbione: can she not cross her legs until UVF? :p
[11:02] <sivang> fabbione: first child ?
[11:02] <fabbione> mdz: yes. but we need the fix first for dovecot
[11:02] <mdz> ok
[11:02] <fabbione> pitti: thanks :)
[11:02] <mdz> thanks fabbione
[11:03] <fabbione> Keybuk: ahhaha
[11:03] <mdz> sivang?
[11:03] <fabbione> sivang: yeps
[11:03] <sivang> mdz: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard might need some more edits before approval, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/home-user-backup seems ready to be approved. Ideally both of them should be targetted for edgy, however if I'm doing system clean up tool alone I'd need some help on some of the implementation.
[11:03] <mdz> make-free-space-wizard still needs some work I think; I'll look at it today if I have some time
[11:04] <sivang> basically that's is. I've started tackeling the merge thing this week, however so far only done bitorando and sponsered by slomo_ , might do more in the coming week.
[11:04] <mdz> home-user-backup should be ready for approval if my comment was addressed
[11:04] <mdz> sivang: thanks
[11:04] <sivang> mdz: I believe they were all addressed.
[11:04] <mdz> any other very quick business?
[11:04] <mdz> did I miss anyone in the randomness?
[11:04] <fabbione> sfllaw: moving the stuff from internal to external wiki?
[11:05] <fabbione> there was only one vote from pitti
[11:05] <rodarvus> +1
[11:05] <fabbione> but i do vote for the movement too
[11:05] <dholbach> sfllaw: hug day in two weeks?
[11:05] <mdz> that's fine with me; the meeting is public and so the summaries can be as well
[11:05] <ogra> +1
[11:05] <iwj> We should move the distro meeting page, definitely.
[11:05] <fabbione> (the DistroTeammeeting
[11:05] <sfllaw> What about the DistroTeam page?
[11:05] <sfllaw> That's sort of sitting by its lonesome in the Canonical wiki.
[11:05] <mdz> no, that's a separate matter
[11:05] <sfllaw> Fair enough.
[11:05] <sfllaw> I'll move it.
[11:05] <mdz> we don't publish employee data
[11:05] <sivang> mdz: if you don't have time today, will we be able to address it tomorrow? I'm up whenever you can.
[11:05] <sfllaw> dholbach: Yes.  A hug day in two weeks would be good.
[11:06] <mdz> sivang: probably
[11:06] <mdz> ok, we're over time
[11:06] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[11:06] <dholbach> sfllaw: cool
[11:06] <mdz> adjourned
[11:06] <dholbach> thanks mdz
[11:06] <ogra> thanks mdz 
[11:06] <seb128> tahnk you
[11:06] <pitti> thanks everyone
[11:06] <fabbione> thanks guys
[11:06] <dholbach> see you *wave*
[11:06] <ogra> fabbione, crossing my fingers it doesnt come during the football game :)
[11:06] <rodarvus> thanks guys
[11:07] <rodarvus> pitti, next meeting will be 4am for me :)
[11:07] <ogra> fabbione, all the best for both ;)
[11:07] <seb128> ogra: France will win anyway
[11:07] <fabbione> ogra: i promised my wife that i will join her at the hospital.. after the match
[11:07] <pitti> rodarvus: uh :(
[11:07] <rodarvus> but I guess its the best iwj could find, as I'm in the middle of US and Europe timezones
[11:07] <fabbione> seb128: ahah you wish my little blonde friend
[11:07] <pitti> rodarvus: I thought you were in spain?
[11:07] <sivang> fabbione: can't you watch the game from the hospital ? :p
[11:07] <rodarvus> pitti, no, I'm brazilian
[11:07] <dholbach> seb128: ++
[11:07] <iwj> Right, I should be going really.
[11:07] <fabbione> rodarvus: it's not too bad really.. you get to spend more time with EU and have a lot of free afternoon
[11:07] <ogra> seb128, i dont think so ... the italians havent had to do much apart from the last match yet
[11:07] <Amaranth> thinking more about it i can make it to two of those meeting times, until the end of august
[11:08] <pitti> rodarvus: ah
[11:08] <fabbione> sivang: eheh
[11:08] <Amaranth> so, yay
[11:08] <seb128> fabbione: we already gave you some good lesson in 2000
[11:08] <iwj> Thanks everyone.  Sorry to those for whom the times are difficult.
[11:08] <Mithrandir> next meeting is 0700 UTC?
[11:08] <seb128> fabbione: need to get one again? :)
[11:08] <rodarvus> fabbione, right, thats the plan indeed :)
[11:08] <iwj> We'll revisit this in the autumn when the clocks change.
[11:08] <iwj> TTFN all
[11:08] <seb128> ogra: France neither
[11:08] <fabbione> seb128: we will see :)
[11:08] <ogra> seb128, well :)
[11:08] <fabbione> seb128: i already have my dreams for the final anyway
[11:09] <pitti> fabbione: heh, I remember (my gf had a good laugh, too)
[11:09] <rodarvus> don't tell me about france or zidane :D
[11:09] <pitti> so that we can at least stand in the shadow of Italy and France
[11:09] <fabbione> pitti: yeah i am showing it to seb too :)
[11:09] <sivang> pitti: fdsfd
[11:09] <sivang> oops
[11:09] <sivang> sorry
[11:10] <pitti> sivang: bless you
[11:10] <sivang> HAHAHA
[11:38] <simira> fabbione: hey, how's Ulla?
[11:40] <fabbione> simira: looking like a whale more or less :)
[11:40] <fabbione> but she is generally ok
[11:40] <simira> fabbione: any fish soon, then?
[11:40] <fabbione> a lot of pain here and there but that's normal the last weeks
[11:40] <fabbione> simira: well it should be within the next week or so
[11:41] <fabbione> she is due to the 13
[11:41] <simira> fabbione: exciting. You should take care, then, both of you.
[11:41] <fabbione> we do :)
[11:41] <fabbione> that's why i am on the way to sleep
[11:42] <simira> good night
[11:44] <Mithrandir> simira: whales don't give birth to fish, but to small whales.
[11:46] <simira> Mithrandir: ok, but they eat a lot of fish, and some times they swim out again
[11:47] <fabbione> eheheh