| crimsun | erm, I keep forgetting it may not seem logical if you don't have a software engineering background, sorry | 12:07 |
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| LaserJock | but I managed to get a spec approved, I'm happy about that | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | takes a bit more than I thought | 12:10 |
| crimsun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications is fair | 12:11 |
| crimsun | have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_process if you're not familiar with it | 12:12 |
| hub | uh ohj | 12:22 |
| hub | http://packages.ubuntu.com/ <- the tab for Edgy point to Dapper | 12:22 |
| LaserJock | oops | 12:22 |
| fowlduck | dum dum DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!!! (cue scary music) | 12:22 |
| hub | time to go | 12:23 |
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| crimsun | hub: it's the diabolical scheme that Edgy Doesn't Yet Exist. | 12:26 |
| fowlduck | oh the humanity | 12:26 |
| Toadstool | yiha France's just won the semi-final!!! | 12:37 |
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| raphink | Toadstool: _just_ won? tu as un lag sur ta tl ? ;) | 12:50 |
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| Toadstool | raphink: non non mais j'ai tran un peu dans le bar o j'tais, c'tait un peu le bordel pour sortir :) | 12:51 |
| raphink | ah oki | 12:51 |
| raphink | :) | 12:51 |
| raphink | bon allez au lit | 12:51 |
| Toadstool | bonne nuit | 12:51 |
| raphink | merci | 12:52 |
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| ryanakca | grrr... is there a way to set REVU up not to display e-mails? ex: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2439 | 01:26 |
| ryanakca | my email is now in google, and now I just had a kaboom in spam. (~1 per month to 25 in 3 days...) | 01:26 |
| mukund | ryanakca: i get > 100 every day | 01:27 |
| mukund | because i have my firstname@gmail.com | 01:27 |
| mukund | and everybody with that first name thinks he owns the account | 01:27 |
| ryanakca | :) | 01:27 |
| mukund | and hands out the address to others, subscribes it to all sorts of junk, etc. | 01:27 |
| mukund | i don't use it for mail anymore | 01:27 |
| bluefoxicy | um | 01:27 |
| tseng | Spam Happens (TM) | 01:27 |
| tseng | get a filter | 01:27 |
| bluefoxicy | I thought I re-uploaded pax-utils a day or two ago | 01:27 |
| ryanakca | tseng: eh hunh | 01:28 |
| bluefoxicy | it hasn't hit revu, is this automated or is somebody doing this every week or what | 01:28 |
| mukund | tseng: gmail comes with a filter.. but the spam is random in this case.. even legit mails for those firstname guys are spam for me | 01:28 |
| crimsun | bluefoxicy: did you reupload the entire source package? | 01:29 |
| bluefoxicy | crimsun: whatever "dput pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1_source.changes" does | 01:29 |
| tseng | depends on how you built it | 01:29 |
| crimsun | bluefoxicy: did you build it with -sa? | 01:29 |
| bluefoxicy | I built it with -S -rfakeroot | 01:29 |
| crimsun | that's why | 01:30 |
| bluefoxicy | ok, I'll try again. | 01:30 |
| crimsun | -S -sa -rfakeroot [...] | 01:30 |
| bluefoxicy | damnidt | 01:30 |
| bluefoxicy | I typed my password into the gpg agent | 01:30 |
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| bluefoxicy | Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de | 01:31 |
| bluefoxicy | Doing nothing for pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1_source.changes | 01:31 |
| crimsun | remove the .upload | 01:32 |
| crimsun | or use -f | 01:33 |
| bluefoxicy | Uploading via ftp pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc | 01:33 |
| bluefoxicy | *thud* | 01:33 |
| crimsun | sorry, not a REVU admin | 01:34 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah. I'll wait. | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | try again | 01:34 |
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| bluefoxicy | I need to figure out that orig.tar.gz thing, I'm sure it doesn't want a thousand copies of that uploaded. At least it says it doesn't. | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | yes it does | 01:36 |
| bluefoxicy | ok I'll just wait for that to go through then. | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | please join https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members | 01:43 |
| bluefoxicy | ... okay o.o | 01:46 |
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| mankey | the new amarok packages, from http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141, are similar to the ones in http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/, or are they more stable? | 02:35 |
| mankey | i mean, is the former repo more official than the latter? | 02:35 |
| crimsun | "more official"? No. | 02:35 |
| mankey | crimsun: then why did i get a rss from kubuntu.org earlier today? | 02:36 |
| mankey | crimsun: as though it's something new | 02:36 |
| mankey | crimsun: oh, so for more stability i need to wait for a backports version? | 02:37 |
| crimsun | mankey: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ should point to the latest. In this case, it's http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/ | 02:38 |
| crimsun | mankey: so "no, one is not more official than the other" since they're identical. | 02:39 |
| Laser_away | crimsun: you use KDE? | 02:39 |
| crimsun | Laser_away: I use all the desktops in some fashion | 02:39 |
| crimsun | sound doesn't care what DE is being used. It's either functional and audible, or it's broken. | 02:40 |
| Laser_away | heh, do you have a primary one? I thought you used KDE a lot but couldn't remember | 02:40 |
| crimsun | I use screen mostly, followed by GNOME/KDE/whatever | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | cool, similar here | 02:42 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 03:58 |
| zul | hey | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | hi Hobbsee | 04:00 |
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| Hobbsee | hey zul and LaserJock :) | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee. | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | afternoon all | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | hi stranger | 04:09 |
| scundi | hi all, any word on when the next 'revu day' is? | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | I think people are working on it | 04:12 |
| scundi | organising a day? ahh ok | 04:12 |
| scundi | how does it work, is it a meet on irc, or real life... | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | that and MOTUs trying to work through the review | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | presumably that'll be after all the syncs and all that? | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | a lot of revu stuff currently is merges, iirc... | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | just a day for MOTUs can focus on REVU | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | there are a lot of NEW packages on REVU | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | scundi: not in real life | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | we need to focus on stuff that will be affected by UVF since that is on the 13th | 04:14 |
| scundi | rightio, ta | 04:14 |
| scundi | what's uvf? | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | Upstream Version Freeze | 04:14 |
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| LaserJock | that point at wich we don't take new upstream versions and the automatic merge/sync process stops | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | scundi: wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: ping? | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | ping | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | err pong | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | whatever, you're alive | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | heh yea , and kickin tonight wasup bro ? | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | oops just noticved the PM | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | i dont see queriers easy , one sec | 04:18 |
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| bluefoxicy | crud | 04:22 |
| bluefoxicy | more font packages are screaming at me | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 04:26 |
| bddebian | ajmitch!!! Where ya been man? | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: that's bad when Keybuk says stuff like that ;-) | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: the great lost continent of Four-Ecks | 04:27 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Aye, no shit :-) Hi btw | 04:27 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ahh | 04:27 |
| zul | four ecks? | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | sure | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | otherwise known as australia | 04:29 |
| zul | heh...oh yeah...penal colony ;) | 04:29 |
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| bddebian | Oh and here all this time I thought it was the penile colony | 04:30 |
| zul | Hobbsee: lol | 04:30 |
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| zul | heh | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | poor bddebian ;-) | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: heh | 04:35 |
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| bddebian | Man, Hobbsee is a chanserv? How frightening.. :-) | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | hehe. | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: in multiple places, yes. | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: learn to never get on the wrong side of Hobbsee | 04:45 |
| bddebian | Aye | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | you mean ther'es a right side? | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | Of course there is. :) | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | gotta be | 04:47 |
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| zakame | hi all | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | hi zakame! | 05:34 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame, jsgotangco | 05:38 |
| zakame | heya Hobbsee bddebian | 05:44 |
| zakame | back home now | 05:44 |
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| imbrandon | moins zakame | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | heya db | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | err bddebian | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | damm tab complete ;) | 06:17 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:17 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:44 |
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| Hobbsee | anyone around to upload to universe? maybe Gloubiboulga? | 08:21 |
| raphink | Hobbsee: when are you going to go to TB ? | 08:22 |
| crimsun | we're around, but the daemon's down. | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: no idea | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: ah ok, so it's down for everyone then. | 08:22 |
| crimsun | i.e., no one will be able to upload | 08:22 |
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| Hobbsee | yeah | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | what on earth is with this package. | 08:22 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg-source: error: file knmap_2.1.orig.tar.gz has size 1705099 instead of expected 1705259 <-- odd. think this one's having trouble. | 08:23 |
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| Hobbsee | raphink: dont know when i'm going to TB - probably when it's at a sane time. | 08:30 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: did you download that from the archive? | 08:30 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: yeah, i grabbed the debian current, which fixed the package whihc had been packaged wrongly in the previous version. it's wokring now :) | 08:31 |
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| shawarma | Hobbsee: If the info in the .dsc doesn't match the files, something is very wrong somewhere. | 08:31 |
| shawarma | Hobbsee: I see. Nevertheless, the orig.tar.gz should be the same in Ubuntu and Debian. | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | shawarma: i think i was grabbing the debian.dsc against the ubuntu .orig.tar.gz, cos it was repackaged | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | as it was originally bz2'd | 08:32 |
| crimsun | err, don't do that. | 08:32 |
| crimsun | that's usually where the discrepancy arises | 08:32 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: tht's what grab-merge grabbed. | 08:32 |
| crimsun | it grabbed the bz2? | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: no, but the last version was a bz2 from upstream, so ubuntu repackaged it | 08:33 |
| Hobbsee | so the ubuntu dsc wouldnt have the same size as the now later released .tar.gz? | 08:33 |
| crimsun | same orig.tar.gz filename? | 08:33 |
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| Hobbsee | crimsun: i believe so | 08:34 |
| crimsun | yeah, you'll need to grab the orig.tar.gz from Ubuntu, then | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | once the bz2 was converted, of course it was | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: if i'm requesting a sync for this anyway, wont all of the ubuntu stuff be ignored, and the debian unstable package be brought to ubuntu? | 08:34 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: if the same orig.tar.gz version is used, then only the diff.gz, dsc, and source.changes will be | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. | 08:35 |
| === Hobbsee thinks that it isnt hte same .orig.tar.gz, but it's named as if it is. | ||
| Hobbsee | that's what i suspect, anyway. | 08:36 |
| Hobbsee | oh man, do they always have TB meetings at 2000UTC? | 08:36 |
| robitaille | Hobbsee, yes | 08:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh grr. | 08:38 |
| Hobbsee | pity | 08:38 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: that's the answer then. when i'm really really awake. | 08:40 |
| Hobbsee | early | 08:40 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:42 |
| === Hobbsee waves to dholbach | ||
| === dholbach hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs dholbach | ||
| Hobbsee | dholbach: i've been merging :) | 08:43 |
| dholbach | i noticed! :) | 08:43 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: i saw i only had two merges for june! shameful! | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | s/june/july | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | i have none at all! | 08:50 |
| === jsgotangco grins | ||
| Hobbsee | crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knmap/+bug/52053 | 08:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52053 in knmap "[Edgy MoM] Please sync version 2.1-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: thanks | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | jsgotangco: bad! :P | 08:51 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: I'm pretty sure they can't take the orig.tar.gz | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: well, bleh, okay. | 08:53 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: go ahead and reject it, then do the merging manually, pretending there's a real delta. | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: argh, drat. debian and ubuntu versions of the same file are really both different sizes. | 08:55 |
| crimsun | so it'll be 2.1-1ubuntu1 | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: oh does that end up working? | 08:55 |
| crimsun | well, yeah, it won't be a sync from the archive's perspective, but it will be a sync for all practical purposes | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: what happens next version then? | 08:55 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: you have to continue this fake syncing until the next orig.tar.gz | 08:56 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: like 2.1a, 2.1.1, or 2.2, ... | 08:56 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: right, yep. so i take ubuntu's orig.tar.gz, and effectively sync it? | 08:56 |
| crimsun | then you can request a proper sync from Debian | 08:56 |
| crimsun | well, you'll have to actually merge the changelog entries. | 08:57 |
| Hobbsee | right | 08:57 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 08:57 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee: http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/06/buntudotorg-radio-podcast-2/ posted ( with LaserJock Interview ) | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: nice okay :) | 09:00 |
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| \sh | moins | 09:18 |
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| shawarma | Anyone care to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2555 ? | 09:25 |
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| shawarma | Hmm... guess not. :-) | 09:31 |
| crimsun | shawarma: in debian/copyright, the phrase "Any code not declared GPL is free for all uses" is ambiguous | 09:31 |
| shawarma | crimsun: It's taken directly from the source file. | 09:32 |
| crimsun | please ask for clarification if the author{,s} are reachable | 09:32 |
| shawarma | How is it ambiguous? | 09:32 |
| crimsun | for the precise reason that "free for all uses" does not explicitly state what precisely that freedom entails | 09:33 |
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| spacey | you might as well relicense it to gpl then, all code is GPL :p | 09:33 |
| crimsun | are those portions public domain? are they free but with some restriction like "you can't use this code to assassinate presidents"? | 09:34 |
| shawarma | I'm not sure I see what you mean. Could you give an example of what you're not sure would be allowed? It makes it easier for me when phrasing the question to upstream. | 09:34 |
| shawarma | hmm... I don't see how you could possibly be in doubt as to whether or not it'd be allowed to assassinate presidents with it when it says "free for all uses".. | 09:35 |
| crimsun | free for all uses doesn't cover for-profit | 09:36 |
| crimsun | it also doesn't cover redistribution of source and/or binary | 09:36 |
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| crimsun | the reason is that "free for all uses" is so contextually loaded | 09:37 |
| shawarma | I suppose. | 09:43 |
| Toadstool | good morning everybody | 09:53 |
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| shawarma | crimsun: I just thought of something. Since the version of dcraw included in rawstudio also includes the GPL parts, the rest must effectively be GPL, right? | 10:43 |
| crimsun | shawarma: the rest of what? | 10:45 |
| shawarma | crimsun: the rest of the source code. | 10:45 |
| crimsun | according to the copyright, it is GPLed | 10:45 |
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| crimsun | the only thing that /may/ be an issue is the wording "free for all uses", which simply needs to be clarified. | 10:46 |
| crimsun | that's it. | 10:46 |
| shawarma | Right. I'll figure something out. thanks for your help! | 10:46 |
| crimsun | np | 10:48 |
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| screeb | Hi! | 12:07 |
| screeb | I am trying to package e-smith for ubuntu (originaly desinged for CentOS) | 12:09 |
| screeb | The changelogs I have doesn't match the debian standards | 12:09 |
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| dholbach | hi screeb | 12:10 |
| screeb | Anyone knows what I should do (rewrite all the changelogs?) | 12:10 |
| dholbach | what do you mean by that? | 12:10 |
| dholbach | debian/changelog is maintained separately of ChangeLog, CHANGES or whatever the upstream changelog is called | 12:11 |
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| screeb | so debian/changelogs should only deals with the changes I made? | 12:14 |
| tseng | yes. | 12:14 |
| screeb | ok :) | 12:14 |
| tseng | one entry per revision | 12:14 |
| dholbach | install devscripts and use dch -i -Dedgy | 12:15 |
| screeb | ok, thanks | 12:16 |
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| AnAnt | I have a problem with packaging, the Makefile has this line: install -m 4711 file destdir | 01:39 |
| AnAnt | which sets the file with +s mode | 01:40 |
| AnAnt | now, after I create the deb package & install it, the file is not in that mode, why is that ? | 01:40 |
| Toadstool | dh_fixperms removes the sticky bits | 01:41 |
| Toadstool | use -X option if you really want it | 01:41 |
| ogra | but consider thrice if you really need it ... | 01:41 |
| Toadstool | indeed | 01:41 |
| AnAnt | ok | 01:41 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 01:41 |
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| AnAnt | ok | 01:47 |
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| AnAnt | thanks | 01:51 |
| AnAnt | ok, I the package I am adding, I see that mandrake has added some stuff to it, am I allowed to import that or not ? | 01:54 |
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| zul | hey | 02:15 |
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| AnAnt | in the Common mistakes | 02:38 |
| AnAnt | it says that I should NOT change the source tarball even if the directory layout is not in package-version format | 02:39 |
| AnAnt | I did that but when I run debuild I get this tarball: package_version-revision.tar.gz | 02:40 |
| dholbach | move the originial tarball to package_version.orig.tar.gz | 02:42 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 02:42 |
| dholbach | unpack it, add debian/ dir, then debuild -S | 02:42 |
| dholbach | that will give you a nice .diff.gz | 02:42 |
| AnAnt | oh yes, I found my mistake | 02:43 |
| AnAnt | I named it package-version.orig.tar.gz instead of _ ! | 02:43 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 02:43 |
| lionelp | Does somebody have time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2615 ? | 02:53 |
| phanatic | lionelp: i'll have a look | 02:54 |
| lionelp | thanks phanatic | 02:54 |
| phanatic | cool package name btw ;) | 02:54 |
| dredg | ha. hahaha. oh god. | 02:54 |
| dredg | try not to restart *that* flamewar that hot-babe caused on debian-devel :) | 02:55 |
| lionelp | :) | 02:55 |
| lionelp | phanatic: it's a cool software used by my collegues, so i decided to package it :) | 02:55 |
| phanatic | nice :) | 02:56 |
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| phanatic | i'd rather see real women tho ;) | 03:03 |
| lionelp | :) | 03:03 |
| phanatic | lionelp: just a small issue, see my comments :) | 03:04 |
| lionelp | Ok, thanks | 03:06 |
| Mithrandir | lionelp: you're aware that the package has been deemed inappropriate in the past? | 03:06 |
| lionelp | hum... no :) | 03:06 |
| Mithrandir | it has. | 03:06 |
| lionelp | Ok, so we have to forget it, right ? | 03:07 |
| Mithrandir | yes, please. | 03:07 |
| lionelp | No problem ! | 03:07 |
| Mithrandir | cheers. | 03:08 |
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| jsgotangco | heh | 03:12 |
| phanatic | oops :) | 03:12 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:48 |
| bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:48 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: I see you got knights working :-) | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: yeah. somehow. | 03:48 |
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| Hobbsee | bddebian: oh yeah, now i remember.... | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: ajmitch had suggested taking one of the sets of double brackets out in the rules, then it worked fine. | 03:49 |
| bddebian | Nice | 03:49 |
| zakame | hi gang | 03:50 |
| phanatic | hey bddebian, Hobbsee, zakame :) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | hi phanatic and zakame | 03:51 |
| zul | hi zakame | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Hi zakame, phanatic, zul | 03:51 |
| zul | hey | 03:51 |
| zakame | heya phanatic Hobbsee zul bddebian | 03:52 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | @ hi zul | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | too many Z names. | 03:52 |
| zul | yes we are taking over | 03:53 |
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| === ajmitch will stay as ajmitch{,_} | ||
| zul | its a cult | 03:54 |
| zul | like girl guides | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Nice, another desktop file gets added in Debian | 03:56 |
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| Sp4rKy | hey motus | 04:03 |
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| Sp4rKy | today i start packaging of torsmo and autoscan :) | 04:04 |
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| zakame | hmm what's the current merging procedure now? Do I still follow the old procedure in Dapper? | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | see topic - general practice is grabbing merges where you last touched the package, afaik | 04:10 |
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| zakame | well I just saw MOTU/merges and its still very much the old process, just confirming | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: merge-o-matic makes merging a lot easier | 04:19 |
| tseng | Hobbsee: I still dont use MoM | 04:22 |
| tseng | i am old school | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | tseng: i never said you had to, i said it makes it easier (often, anyway) :P | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | ajmitch: don't be so harsh on zakame, he's $2500 richer now | 04:23 |
| tseng | I used to do it completely from memory when I was the only guy doing mono | 04:23 |
| jsgotangco | which is a *LOT* of money here | 04:23 |
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| ajmitch | poor zakame | 04:25 |
| zul | party at zakame's place | 04:26 |
| bddebian | tseng: Me either, it's a pain :-) | 04:30 |
| tseng | bddebian: finally, someone agrees | 04:31 |
| bddebian | I think it's more steps that grabbing the Debian package and manually merging in our changes :-) | 04:31 |
| Sp4rKy | checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no | 04:31 |
| Sp4rKy | checking for XdbeQueryExtension in -lXext... no | 04:31 |
| Sp4rKy | what must i add to B-d ? | 04:31 |
| tseng | libx11 libxext? | 04:32 |
| Sp4rKy | libx11-dev && libxext-dev, isn't it ?? | 04:32 |
| tseng | right. | 04:32 |
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| zakame | ajmitch, zul: lol | 04:35 |
| bddebian | Go Sp4rKy, go Sp4rKy ;-) | 04:36 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, thx :) | 04:37 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, i'm packaging torsmo | 04:37 |
| Sp4rKy | i've a few strange issue ... | 04:37 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no | 04:39 |
| Sp4rKy | checking for XdbeQueryExtension in -lXext... no | 04:39 |
| Sp4rKy | what package must i include ? | 04:39 |
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| AnAnt | I need help regarding patches | 04:40 |
| AnAnt | in the Ubuntu help it says, that if I am to modify anything in the source , I should put it in debian/patches | 04:40 |
| AnAnt | I did the steps | 04:41 |
| AnAnt | all until putting the patches list in 00list | 04:41 |
| AnAnt | now, how do I instruct the debian packager to apply those patches ? | 04:41 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Didn't tseng just answer you? :-) | 04:42 |
| Sp4rKy | oups, i didn't see | 04:42 |
| Sp4rKy | but is it libx11 or libx11-dev ? | 04:43 |
| tseng | -dev | 04:43 |
| tseng | and you figured it out for yourself | 04:43 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Depends on the packaging system. If it's dpatch, it should get picked up automagically if its in 00list | 04:43 |
| tseng | why ask twice? | 04:43 |
| bddebian | :-) | 04:43 |
| Sp4rKy | tseng, bddebian i've already add them to B-D but doesn't work any more | 04:43 |
| tseng | then you should ask us about that | 04:44 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: I did use dpatch | 04:44 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: but when I ran pbuilder it did not apply the patches | 04:44 |
| Sp4rKy | tseng, sorry :( | 04:44 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: so I shouldn't add anything in the rules file ? | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: dpatch is a build-dep, isnt it? | 04:46 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: If it has ../foo/bar/dpatch.mk in the rules, no. Do you know that any of the patches are getting applied? | 04:46 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: yes, it is in Build-Depends | 04:47 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: no it does not have any dpatch in the rules file | 04:48 |
| hub | there is no mugshot package in edgy? | 04:49 |
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| AnAnt | bddebian: so how should I add it ? | 04:52 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: If you are using CDBS, add the following line to rules: rules/dpatch.mk | 04:57 |
| bddebian | With the proper path of course | 04:57 |
| AnAnt | what if I used debhelper ? | 04:58 |
| azeem | AnAnt: dpatch has documentation on how to use it in debian/rules AFAIK | 04:58 |
| bddebian | Then you have use use somethign like dpatch apply-all | 04:58 |
| AnAnt | ic | 04:59 |
| AnAnt | thx | 04:59 |
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| bddebian | Heya azeem | 05:06 |
| azeem | hi Barry | 05:06 |
| AnAnt | ok, I did that, I am getting this: applying patch 01_description to ./ ... failed. | 05:12 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: Then your patch is wrong :-) Did you use dpatch-edit-patch to create it? | 05:13 |
| AnAnt | err, hang on, I think I know the mistake | 05:13 |
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| Toadstool | re | 05:17 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 05:17 |
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| Toadstool | hi bddebian | 05:17 |
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| MadMan2k | I guess I should avoid installing things in /usr/local? (packaging gimp 2.3.10 right now) | 05:23 |
| AnAnt | I am getting an error when I run "dpatch call-all -a=pkg-info >patch-stamp" : 01_description.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument | 05:25 |
| bddebian | AnAnt: I don't think you need call-all but I am no dpatch expert | 05:26 |
| AnAnt | ok | 05:26 |
| AnAnt | ls | 05:26 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:26 |
| zakame | MadMan2k: using stow might help | 05:26 |
| MadMan2k | right now im installing it to /opt and copying making gimp-2.3 in /usr/bin/ and /usr/share/applications | 05:29 |
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| Sp4rKy | http://pastebin.ca/80570 | 05:33 |
| Sp4rKy | this is my issue during pbuild of torsmo | 05:33 |
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| bddebian | Sp4rKy: You are missing a build-dep somewhere | 05:34 |
| bddebian | Do you have xlibs-dev or whatever it is now? | 05:35 |
| Sp4rKy | i've added xlibs-deb , libx11-dev and libxext-dev | 05:35 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 05:35 |
| Sp4rKy | i've added them :) | 05:36 |
| zakame | try looking for the old xlibs-split script somewhere, that also tells good x build-deps | 05:36 |
| Sp4rKy | xlibs-dev are needed | 05:37 |
| bddebian | This looks conspicuous: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -Wall -g -O2 -Wl,-z,defs -Wall -W -c x11.c | 05:37 |
| bddebian | -I. -I. -I. ? | 05:37 |
| Sp4rKy | yeah | 05:38 |
| Sp4rKy | strange | 05:38 |
| bddebian | One of those should be -I/usr/include/X11 ? | 05:38 |
| Sp4rKy | but if i do ./configure && make &&make install , it works | 05:38 |
| hub | I have an app foo that builds its own libs | 05:39 |
| hub | can I name the package foo-libs ? | 05:39 |
| Sp4rKy | libfoo are better i think | 05:41 |
| zakame | hmm what are the .sos? | 05:41 |
| bddebian | zakame: Literaly .sos or .so ? | 05:42 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Are you passing anything to make in your rules? | 05:42 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, only the defaut configuration created by dh_make | 05:43 |
| zakame | bddebian: .so | 05:43 |
| bddebian | That's doesn't help me any Sp4rKy :-) $(MAKE) <what?> | 05:43 |
| bddebian | zakame: sonames | 05:43 |
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| Sp4rKy | bddebian, only $(MAKE) | 05:44 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Ah, OK | 05:44 |
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| Sp4rKy | build-stamp: config.status | 05:44 |
| Sp4rKy | dh_testdir | 05:44 |
| Sp4rKy | # Add here commands to compile the package. | 05:44 |
| Sp4rKy | $(MAKE) | 05:44 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: How about configure? | 05:44 |
| Sp4rKy | config.status: configure | 05:45 |
| Sp4rKy | dh_testdir | 05:45 |
| Sp4rKy | # Add here commands to configure the package. | 05:45 |
| Sp4rKy | CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS) -Wl,-z,defs" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info | 05:45 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, any idea ? | 05:47 |
| bddebian | zakame: It allows the library to point to different (correct?) versions. So the app can always lookf ror libfoo.so but libfoo.so may symlink to libfoo.so.1.2 or some such | 05:47 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Are there any LDFLAGS in your rules? | 05:48 |
| Sp4rKy | no | 05:48 |
| Sp4rKy | only LDFLAGS | 05:48 |
| zakame | bddebian: erm I wasn't asking about sonames, I was asking about hub's app, in particular the names of the build libs | 05:49 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: ?? | 05:50 |
| bddebian | zakame: Oh, hehe, sorry | 05:50 |
| bddebian | Oh, what are THE .sos, not what are .sos :-) | 05:50 |
| zakame | no prob :) | 05:51 |
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| Sp4rKy | bddebian, no LDFLAGS in my rules, only CFLAGS | 05:51 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Hmm, ok | 05:54 |
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| zakame | great, done the first merge for apollon | 06:08 |
| zakame | was able to reduce the diff to go without the ecess POs | 06:09 |
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| zakame | gn8 | 06:14 |
| zakame | gn8/away zzz | 06:14 |
| bddebian | gnight zakame | 06:15 |
| bddebian | OK, this is invalid but is there a better way to do it other than to split it into multiple lines? | 06:16 |
| bddebian | install -m 644 support/{mp3.conf,mp3_with_mysql.conf,mysql_schema} $(CURDIR)/debian/libapache-mod-mp3/usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-mp3/examples | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Not my code btw :-) | 06:16 |
| zakame | use $(shell foreach) ? | 06:17 |
| bddebian | zakame: ? | 06:18 |
| bddebian | Sorry my regexp foo sucks majorly | 06:18 |
| zakame | that's in make right? I suppose you can use a foreach-do-done snippet then | 06:19 |
| zakame | a bit longer, but a bit more readable | 06:19 |
| bddebian | No, this is debian/rules | 06:20 |
| zakame | you can still use that, its a makefile | 06:21 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, it works :) | 06:21 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Excellent, what was it? | 06:21 |
| Sp4rKy | i've just add --x-libraries=/usr/include/X11 :) | 06:21 |
| zakame | anyhow gn8 really :D | 06:22 |
| Sp4rKy | bddebian, i've add --x-libraries=/usr/include/X11 to the configure target and it works correctly now :) thx for your help | 06:23 |
| bddebian | Sp4rKy: Gah, you fixed it, nice work :-) | 06:24 |
| bddebian | zakame: Gnight, thx | 06:24 |
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| mitsuhiko | hoi | 06:46 |
| mitsuhiko | does anybody know if edgy will ship python2.5? | 06:47 |
| dholbach | daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache show python2.5 | 06:48 |
| dholbach | Package: python2.5 | 06:48 |
| dholbach | Priority: optional | 06:48 |
| dholbach | Section: universe/python | 06:48 |
| dholbach | ... | 06:48 |
| dholbach | see you later | 06:49 |
| dholbach | *wave* | 06:49 |
| phanatic | bye dholbach | 06:50 |
| bddebian | Later dholbach | 06:53 |
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| dholbach | bye phanatic, bddebian | 06:53 |
| bddebian | w00t, another desktop file added in Debian.. | 07:05 |
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| Ramunas | Hello | 07:14 |
| Ramunas | was Opera added to ubuntu's repositories? | 07:14 |
| Erlang | sounds unlikely to me. | 07:15 |
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| Ramunas | http://opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/07/06/02/ | 07:15 |
| Ramunas | By using the Ubuntu Add / Remove Programs feature, users can choose to install a wide variety of applications. This announcement continues the drive to ensure Ubuntu gives real choice and real flexibility as well as an easy to use interface that everyone can use. | 07:16 |
| Erlang | well, that's a recent announcment. Give it some time. | 07:16 |
| Ramunas | i'm just really curious :) | 07:16 |
| ogra | it depends ... you should have dapper-updates enabled to get the last version of gnome-app-install and/or gnome-app-install-data | 07:17 |
| ogra | that will use the opera repo to install it automatically | 07:18 |
| Ramunas | so if user has updates lines in his sources.list uncommented he'll be able to install opera via apt-get? | 07:18 |
| Ramunas | did i get this right? | 07:18 |
| ogra | nope | 07:19 |
| Ramunas | please explain | 07:19 |
| ogra | if a user had updates enabled (which is the default) he will get new data for the add/remove feature that enables him to install opera with one click | 07:19 |
| Ramunas | thanks for explaining | 07:24 |
| Ramunas | and do you have any idea when will this happen? | 07:25 |
| Ramunas | its not yet avaible, isn't it? | 07:25 |
| ogra | should be in the next uptade of gnome-app-install-data | 07:25 |
| ogra | i run edgy here, so i cant verify if it has hit dapper :) | 07:25 |
| Ramunas | ah :) | 07:25 |
| Toadstool | re | 07:27 |
| Toadstool | could someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2621 please? :) | 07:28 |
| Ramunas | ogra: thanks for your answers, bye bye | 07:28 |
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| bddebian | Toadstool: Give me a sec | 07:29 |
| mukund | offtopic: does anyone here have windows and can quickly check just 1 page for me in IE please? | 07:29 |
| bddebian | mukund: Sure | 07:35 |
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| MadMan2k | I want to replace gimp from teh repositories with my own version but not split it up in gimp-data etc | 07:47 |
| MadMan2k | how can I avoid problems with other packages like xsane which depends on libgimp? | 07:47 |
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| hub | MadMan2k: you have to have the same packaging | 07:48 |
| hub | MadMan2k: or you'll have to change all the packages | 07:48 |
| hub | alternatively using the "Provides" field in the control file | 07:48 |
| MadMan2k | cant I do something with Replace/ Provides? | 07:48 |
| hub | you will have to install it using apt anyway | 07:49 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 07:49 |
| MadMan2k | could "Provides: libgimp2.0" do it, or does it ahve some version appended? | 07:50 |
| MadMan2k | *have to have | 07:50 |
| MadMan2k | but perhaps I'll just try to split it up - wanted to dig into this sometime anyway | 07:51 |
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| bddebian | Toadstool: Sorry, test building now... | 08:27 |
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| LaserJock | any Ruby people about? | 08:47 |
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| bddebian | Damn REVU has a buttload of packages on it... | 09:18 |
| crimsun | this x transition is /fun/ | 09:20 |
| crimsun | as in http://futurepast.free.fr/you-are-my-pony.png fun | 09:20 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:21 |
| bddebian | Hi crimsun | 09:21 |
| crimsun | hi | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | I love crimsun's random pony pics | 09:24 |
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| bddebian | I just love crimsun ;-P | 09:25 |
| bddebian | Heya dholbach | 09:25 |
| dholbach | hey bddebian | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | dholbach! | 09:27 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Oh, I pinged panthera last night and he claims he is going to upload Scilab 4 this weekend | 09:27 |
| dholbach | hey LaserJock | 09:28 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: excellent, hopefully that is true | 09:29 |
| bddebian | Well I'll keep bugging the shit out of him :-) | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | good | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | I didn't pursue it | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | and it never got done so... | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | I'm currently building the MOTU Science lists-that-rock-the-world ;-) | 09:31 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Cool, show me when you are done | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | k, check out http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/merge_list.html | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | I had to modify lucas' scripts to grab the new MoM reports | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | and I refreshed the lists for edgy, etc. | 09:34 |
| bddebian | Oh, cernlib can't be done yet | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | so MOTU Science now has 452 source packages :-) | 09:36 |
| bddebian | Nice | 09:40 |
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| dredg | dholbach: hello | 09:42 |
| dholbach | heya dredg | 09:42 |
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| dholbach | nice to see you again | 09:42 |
| dredg | :) | 09:42 |
| dredg | i've been spending all my time doing horrendous things to breezy :) | 09:42 |
| dholbach | haha - great :) | 09:43 |
| dredg | nearly at dapper though :) | 09:44 |
| dholbach | welcome to the future :) | 09:44 |
| dholbach | ... or something | 09:44 |
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| bddebian | Bah, Dapper is old news.. ;-) | 09:44 |
| dredg | once dapper is done i can start looking at edgy. i reckon it'll be a month before I can do that though | 09:45 |
| sladen | LaserJock: what subset are those lists on your site of? | 09:45 |
| dredg | bddebian: yeah, yeah. it took me an age to figure out kerberos nfs breakage between breezy and dapper | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | that is Electronics, Math, and Science sections of the repos + misc. packages that are science related | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | sladen: oh, they come from the edgy repos | 09:46 |
| sladen | LaserJock: those scripts look useful, could they be put somewhere to generate the same information set for other packages | 09:47 |
| sladen | LaserJock: the information is actually presented in a useable form | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | sladen: yes, they come from lucas | 09:48 |
| dredg | dholbach: i just made a goobuntu usplash for dapper. i'm tempted to take awful photos and leak them to slashdot | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | sladen: wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiDistroTools , but I had to tweak them a little for edgy | 09:48 |
| dredg | they'd have to be really blurry and grainy, just to kick off the conspiracy theorists :) | 09:48 |
| dholbach | dredg: hahahaha - that'd be so cool! | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | sladen: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ has more lists some of which are general to Universe | 09:49 |
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| Toadstool | re | 09:59 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: the warning when building mmpython is normal, current dpkg doesn't know about the new python policy | 10:01 |
| dredg | dholbach: and it looks like i have to go to the next UDS :) | 10:06 |
| dredg | had intended to go to paris but managed to book 3 weeks in the US that overlapped. | 10:06 |
| dholbach | dredg: nice, i'm happy to see you there next time | 10:07 |
| dredg | sabdfl was in the office a couple of weeks ago and told me to go | 10:08 |
| dredg | liam (another guy working on goobuntu) managed to make it though | 10:08 |
| dholbach | rock ' n ' roll :-) | 10:08 |
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| tseng | goobuntu as in google? | 10:08 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Ah, of course, silly me | 10:09 |
| dholbach | dredg: spread the rumour :) | 10:09 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: np :) | 10:09 |
| dredg | OMG NO COMMENTZ!!1 | 10:09 |
| tseng | sigh | 10:09 |
| dredg | yeah, goobuntu as in google | 10:09 |
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| dredg | no, it will never be released. yes, it's based on ubuntu. it's purely for google engineers though | 10:11 |
| tseng | yes, I am aware | 10:11 |
| dredg | just making sure ;) | 10:11 |
| tseng | I am not a frothing fanboy | 10:11 |
| bddebian | heh | 10:13 |
| bddebian | tseng: :'-( | 10:13 |
| dredg | i'll try and get some tshirts made up and bring them along | 10:14 |
| sladen | bddebian: WinFOSS | 10:18 |
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| bddebian | heh | 10:24 |
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| Toadstool | ping another motu than bddebian to review mmpython :) | 10:25 |
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| crimsun | Toadstool: debian/copyright: mmpython should be (C) 2003-2005, not just 2003. debian/mminfo.1: You'll want to capitalise "June". Otherwise it looks good. | 10:41 |
| Toadstool | crimsun: ok thanks | 10:44 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Damn man, how do you catch that crap | 10:45 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: grep for copyright? | 10:45 |
| crimsun | bddebian: magicalponies. | 10:45 |
| bddebian | Gah, why do I even ask... :) | 10:45 |
| Toadstool | crimsun: why 2003-2005 by the way? | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | hmm, somehow crimsun has tapped the power of the magical ponies for super MOTU strength ;-) | 10:46 |
| Toadstool | heh | 10:46 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: crimsun is core-dev now, don't insult him like that.. ;-P | 10:46 |
| crimsun | Toadstool: the release dates for three latest releases | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: yes, but he's doing MOTU reviewing so ... | 10:46 |
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| LaserJock | he must have some other pony power for core-dev | 10:47 |
| Toadstool | crimsun: ok | 10:47 |
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| Toadstool | do it and run faster than ever :) | 10:48 |
| jrib | Hi, for this package, I need to change the debhelper version to 5.07 but how would I know to do this? Is it always just the version I have installed despite the fact the control file that got created had 4.0.0 in there? | 10:48 |
| jrib | this package=http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2511 | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | jrib: you look at what the current version of debhelper is | 10:49 |
| dredg | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= current.version.of.debhelper) in your control file | 10:50 |
| bddebian | jrib: Change debhelper (>= 4.0.0) to debhelper (>= 5.0.x) in debian/control | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | I have 5.0.7ubuntu13 installed so I would use >= 5.0.0 and 5 in debian/compat | 10:50 |
| jrib | k, makes sense, thanks everyone | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | crimsun: dosent share his pnie power ;) ----> [04:42] <crimsun> best picture ever. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg | 10:55 |
| tseng | damn right no pony for you | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | moins everyone | 10:55 |
| Toadstool | hey imbrandon | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | heya LaserJock podcast posted if you dident already notice ;) | 10:56 |
| LaserJock | I saw it, haven't listened to it yet. I'm afraid that I'll sound way stupid :-) | 10:56 |
| Toadstool | bddebian, crimsun: feel free to advocate and upload mmpython now that I've applied what crimsun's advised me to do :) | 10:56 |
| === Toadstool hides | ||
| imbrandon | hahahah nah it sound good , buut i'm a tad bias | 10:57 |
| crimsun | Toadstool: sure, make us use Find, eh? | 11:01 |
| Toadstool | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2622 here you have | 11:02 |
| Toadstool | :) | 11:02 |
| crimsun | done. | 11:02 |
| Toadstool | thanks | 11:02 |
| crimsun | np | 11:03 |
| bddebian | Damn, beat me to it | 11:03 |
| crimsun | you can upload if suits your ponies. | 11:04 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: it's up to you ;) | 11:04 |
| bddebian | Nah, screw you all now.. :-) | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: now that isn't very CoCish ;-) | 11:08 |
| Toadstool | heh | 11:08 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: uploading | 11:11 |
| Toadstool | thanks bddebian | 11:12 |
| === Toadstool hugs bddebian & crimsun | ||
| bddebian | Did persia / Emmet ever apply for MOTUship? | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | not sure | 11:14 |
| crimsun | he's not listed | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | there is a fairly big list at the ubuntu-dev LP page | 11:14 |
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| bddebian | Grr, fscking maxima | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 11:28 |
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| bddebian | Later folks | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | cya bddebian | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | morning | 11:56 |
| TheMuso | Hey ajmitch. | 11:56 |
| jrib | hello | 11:57 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Still in AU? | 11:57 |
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| ajmitch | TheMuso: yes | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso and ajmitch | 11:59 |
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | poor ajmitch ;-) | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | I know.. | 12:02 |
| Toadstool | hi ajmitch | 12:03 |
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