[12:07] <crimsun> erm, I keep forgetting it may not seem logical if you don't have a software engineering background, sorry
[12:09] <LaserJock> but I managed to get a spec approved, I'm happy about that
[12:10] <LaserJock> takes a bit more than I thought
[12:11] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications is fair
[12:12] <crimsun> have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_process if you're not familiar with it
[12:22] <hub> uh ohj
[12:22] <hub> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ <- the tab for Edgy point to Dapper
[12:22] <LaserJock> oops
[12:22] <fowlduck> dum dum DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!!! (cue scary music)
[12:23] <hub> time to go
[12:26] <crimsun> hub: it's the diabolical scheme that Edgy Doesn't Yet Exist.
[12:26] <fowlduck> oh the humanity
[12:37] <Toadstool> yiha France's just won the semi-final!!!
[12:50] <raphink> Toadstool: _just_ won? tu as un lag sur ta tl ? ;)
[12:51] <Toadstool> raphink: non non mais j'ai tran un peu dans le bar o j'tais, c'tait un peu le bordel pour sortir :)
[12:51] <raphink> ah oki
[12:51] <raphink> :)
[12:51] <raphink> bon allez au lit
[12:51] <Toadstool> bonne nuit
[12:52] <raphink> merci
[01:26] <ryanakca> grrr... is there a way to set REVU up not to display e-mails? ex: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2439
[01:26] <ryanakca> my email is now in google, and now I just had a kaboom in spam. (~1 per month to 25 in 3 days...)
[01:27] <mukund> ryanakca: i get > 100 every day
[01:27] <mukund> because i have my firstname@gmail.com
[01:27] <mukund> and everybody with that first name thinks he owns the account
[01:27] <ryanakca> :)
[01:27] <mukund> and hands out the address to others, subscribes it to all sorts of junk, etc.
[01:27] <mukund> i don't use it for mail anymore
[01:27] <bluefoxicy> um
[01:27] <tseng> Spam Happens (TM)
[01:27] <tseng> get a filter
[01:27] <bluefoxicy> I thought I re-uploaded pax-utils a day or two ago
[01:28] <ryanakca> tseng: eh hunh
[01:28] <bluefoxicy> it hasn't hit revu, is this automated or is somebody doing this every week or what
[01:28] <mukund> tseng: gmail comes with a filter.. but the spam is random in this case.. even legit mails for those firstname guys are spam for me
[01:29] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: did you reupload the entire source package?
[01:29] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: whatever "dput pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1_source.changes" does
[01:29] <tseng> depends on how you built it
[01:29] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: did you build it with -sa?
[01:29] <bluefoxicy> I built it with -S -rfakeroot
[01:30] <crimsun> that's why
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> ok, I'll try again.
[01:30] <crimsun> -S -sa -rfakeroot [...] 
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> damnidt
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> I typed my password into the gpg agent
[01:31] <bluefoxicy> Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de
[01:31] <bluefoxicy> Doing nothing for pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[01:32] <crimsun> remove the .upload
[01:33] <crimsun> or use -f
[01:33] <bluefoxicy> Uploading via ftp pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of pax-utils_0.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:33] <bluefoxicy> *thud*
[01:34] <crimsun> sorry, not a REVU admin
[01:34] <bluefoxicy> yeah.  I'll wait.
[01:34] <ajmitch> try again
[01:35] <bluefoxicy> I need to figure out that orig.tar.gz thing, I'm sure it doesn't want a thousand copies of that uploaded.  At least it says it doesn't.
[01:36] <ajmitch> yes it does
[01:40] <bluefoxicy> ok I'll just wait for that to go through then.
[01:43] <ajmitch> please join https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+members
[01:46] <bluefoxicy> ... okay o.o
[02:35] <mankey> the new amarok packages, from http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141, are similar to the ones in http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/, or are they more stable?
[02:35] <mankey> i mean, is the former repo more official than the latter?
[02:35] <crimsun> "more official"? No.
[02:36] <mankey> crimsun: then why did i get a rss from kubuntu.org earlier today?
[02:36] <mankey> crimsun: as though it's something new
[02:37] <mankey> crimsun: oh, so for more stability i need to wait for a backports version?
[02:38] <crimsun> mankey: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ should point to the latest. In this case, it's http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/
[02:39] <crimsun> mankey: so "no, one is not more official than the other" since they're identical.
[02:39] <Laser_away> crimsun: you use KDE?
[02:39] <crimsun> Laser_away: I use all the desktops in some fashion
[02:40] <crimsun> sound doesn't care what DE is being used. It's either functional and audible, or it's broken.
[02:40] <Laser_away> heh, do you have a primary one? I thought you used KDE a lot but couldn't remember
[02:41] <crimsun> I use screen mostly, followed by GNOME/KDE/whatever
[02:42] <LaserJock> cool, similar here
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:59] <zul> hey
[04:00] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey zul and LaserJock :)
[04:03] <TheMuso> Hey Hobbsee.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso
[04:09] <ajmitch> afternoon all
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi stranger
[04:11] <scundi> hi all, any word on when the next 'revu day' is?
[04:12] <LaserJock> I think people are working on it
[04:12] <scundi> organising a day?  ahh ok
[04:13] <scundi> how does it work, is it a meet on irc, or real life...
[04:13] <LaserJock> that and MOTUs trying to work through the review
[04:13] <Hobbsee> presumably that'll be after all the syncs and all that?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> a lot of revu stuff currently is merges, iirc...
[04:13] <LaserJock> just a day for MOTUs can focus on REVU
[04:13] <LaserJock> there are a lot of NEW packages on REVU
[04:14] <Hobbsee> scundi: not in real life
[04:14] <LaserJock> we need to focus on stuff that will be affected by UVF since that is on the 13th
[04:14] <scundi> rightio, ta
[04:14] <scundi> what's uvf?
[04:14] <LaserJock> Upstream Version Freeze
[04:15] <LaserJock> that point at wich we don't take new upstream versions and the automatic merge/sync process stops
[04:15] <LaserJock> scundi: wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[04:17] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ping?
[04:17] <imbrandon> ping
[04:17] <imbrandon> err pong
[04:17] <imbrandon> lol
[04:17] <LaserJock> whatever, you're alive
[04:17] <imbrandon> heh yea , and kickin tonight wasup bro ?
[04:18] <imbrandon> oops just noticved the PM
[04:18] <imbrandon> i dont see queriers easy , one sec
[04:22] <bluefoxicy> crud
[04:23] <bluefoxicy> more font packages are screaming at me
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:26] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:26] <bddebian> ajmitch!!!  Where ya been man?
[04:27] <LaserJock> bddebian: that's bad when Keybuk says stuff like that ;-)
[04:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: the great lost continent of Four-Ecks
[04:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, no shit :-)  Hi btw
[04:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh
[04:28] <zul> four ecks?
[04:28] <ajmitch> sure
[04:29] <ajmitch> otherwise known as australia
[04:29] <zul> heh...oh yeah...penal colony ;)
[04:30] <bddebian> Oh and here all this time I thought it was the penile colony
[04:30] <zul> Hobbsee: lol
[04:33] <zul> heh
[04:34] <LaserJock> poor bddebian ;-)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh
[04:44] <bddebian> Man, Hobbsee is a chanserv?  How frightening.. :-)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> bddebian: in multiple places, yes.
[04:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: learn to never get on the wrong side of Hobbsee
[04:45] <bddebian> Aye
[04:45] <Hobbsee> you mean ther'es a right side?
[04:46] <TheMuso> Of course there is. :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:47] <LaserJock> gotta be
[05:34] <zakame> hi all
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hi zakame!
[05:38] <bddebian> Heya zakame, jsgotangco
[05:44] <zakame> heya Hobbsee bddebian
[05:44] <zakame> back home now
[06:16] <imbrandon> moins zakame
[06:17] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[06:17] <imbrandon> heya db
[06:17] <imbrandon> err bddebian
[06:17] <imbrandon> heh
[06:17] <imbrandon> damm tab complete ;)
[06:17] <bddebian> heh
[06:44] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[08:21] <Hobbsee> anyone around to upload to universe?  maybe Gloubiboulga?
[08:22] <raphink> Hobbsee: when are you going to go to TB ?
[08:22] <crimsun> we're around, but the daemon's down.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> raphink: no idea
[08:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah ok, so it's down for everyone then.
[08:22] <crimsun> i.e., no one will be able to upload
[08:22] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:22] <Hobbsee> what on earth is with this package.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> dpkg-source: error: file knmap_2.1.orig.tar.gz has size 1705099 instead of expected 1705259 <-- odd.  think this one's having trouble.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> raphink: dont know when i'm going to TB - probably when it's at a sane time.
[08:30] <shawarma> Hobbsee: did you download that from the archive?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> shawarma: yeah, i grabbed the debian current, which fixed the package whihc had been packaged wrongly in the previous version.  it's wokring now :)
[08:31] <shawarma> Hobbsee: If the info in the .dsc doesn't match the files, something is very wrong somewhere.
[08:32] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I see. Nevertheless, the orig.tar.gz should be the same in Ubuntu and Debian.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> shawarma: i think i was grabbing the debian.dsc against the ubuntu .orig.tar.gz, cos it was repackaged
[08:32] <Hobbsee> as it was originally bz2'd
[08:32] <crimsun> err, don't do that.
[08:32] <crimsun> that's usually where the discrepancy arises
[08:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: tht's what grab-merge grabbed.
[08:33] <crimsun> it grabbed the bz2?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no, but the last version was a bz2 from upstream, so ubuntu repackaged it
[08:33] <Hobbsee> so the ubuntu dsc wouldnt have the same size as the now later released .tar.gz?
[08:33] <crimsun> same orig.tar.gz filename?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i believe so
[08:34] <crimsun> yeah, you'll need to grab the orig.tar.gz from Ubuntu, then
[08:34] <Hobbsee> once the bz2 was converted, of course it was
[08:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: if i'm requesting a sync for this anyway, wont all of the ubuntu stuff be ignored, and the debian unstable package be brought to ubuntu?
[08:35] <crimsun> Hobbsee: if the same orig.tar.gz version is used, then only the diff.gz, dsc, and source.changes will be
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> that's what i suspect, anyway.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> oh man, do they always have TB meetings at 2000UTC?
[08:38] <robitaille> Hobbsee,  yes
[08:38] <Hobbsee> oh grr.
[08:38] <Hobbsee> pity
[08:40] <Hobbsee> raphink: that's the answer then.  when i'm really really awake.
[08:40] <Hobbsee> early
[08:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i've been merging :)
[08:43] <dholbach> i noticed! :)
[08:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i saw i only had two merges for june!  shameful!
[08:50] <Hobbsee> s/june/july
[08:50] <jsgotangco> i have none at all!
[08:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knmap/+bug/52053
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52053 in knmap "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync version 2.1-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[08:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks
[08:51] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: bad!  :P
[08:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I'm pretty sure they can't take the orig.tar.gz
[08:53] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, bleh, okay.
[08:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: go ahead and reject it, then do the merging manually, pretending there's a real delta.
[08:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: argh, drat.  debian and ubuntu versions of the same file are really both different sizes.
[08:55] <crimsun> so it'll be 2.1-1ubuntu1
[08:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh does that end up working?
[08:55] <crimsun> well, yeah, it won't be a sync from the archive's perspective, but it will be a sync for all practical purposes
[08:55] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what happens next version then?
[08:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you have to continue this fake syncing until the next orig.tar.gz
[08:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: like 2.1a, 2.1.1, or 2.2, ...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right, yep.  so i take ubuntu's orig.tar.gz, and effectively sync it?
[08:56] <crimsun> then you can request a proper sync from Debian
[08:57] <crimsun> well, you'll have to actually merge the changelog entries.
[08:57] <Hobbsee> right
[08:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/06/buntudotorg-radio-podcast-2/  posted ( with LaserJock Interview )
[09:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice okay :)
[09:18] <\sh> moins
[09:25] <shawarma> Anyone care to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2555 ?
[09:31] <shawarma> Hmm... guess not. :-)
[09:31] <crimsun> shawarma: in debian/copyright, the phrase "Any code not declared GPL is free for all uses" is ambiguous
[09:32] <shawarma> crimsun: It's taken directly from the source file.
[09:32] <crimsun> please ask for clarification if the author{,s} are reachable
[09:32] <shawarma> How is it ambiguous?
[09:33] <crimsun> for the precise reason that "free for all uses" does not explicitly state what precisely that freedom entails
[09:33] <spacey> you might as well relicense it to gpl then, all code is GPL :p
[09:34] <crimsun> are those portions public domain? are they free but with some restriction like "you can't use this code to assassinate presidents"?
[09:34] <shawarma> I'm not sure I see what you mean. Could you give an example of what you're not sure would be allowed? It makes it easier for me when phrasing the question to upstream.
[09:35] <shawarma> hmm... I don't see how you could possibly be in doubt as to whether or not it'd be allowed to assassinate presidents with it when it says "free for all uses"..
[09:36] <crimsun> free for all uses doesn't cover for-profit
[09:36] <crimsun> it also doesn't cover redistribution of source and/or binary
[09:37] <crimsun> the reason is that "free for all uses" is so contextually loaded
[09:43] <shawarma> I suppose.
[09:53] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[10:43] <shawarma> crimsun: I just thought of something. Since the version of dcraw included in rawstudio also includes the GPL parts, the rest must effectively be GPL, right?
[10:45] <crimsun> shawarma: the rest of what?
[10:45] <shawarma> crimsun: the rest of the source code.
[10:45] <crimsun> according to the copyright, it is GPLed
[10:46] <crimsun> the only thing that /may/ be an issue is the wording "free for all uses", which simply needs to be clarified.
[10:46] <crimsun> that's it.
[10:46] <shawarma> Right. I'll figure something out. thanks for your help!
[10:48] <crimsun> np
[12:07] <screeb> Hi!
[12:09] <screeb> I am trying to package e-smith for ubuntu (originaly desinged for CentOS)
[12:09] <screeb> The changelogs I have doesn't match the debian standards
[12:10] <dholbach> hi screeb
[12:10] <screeb> Anyone knows what I should do (rewrite all the changelogs?)
[12:10] <dholbach> what do you mean by that?
[12:11] <dholbach> debian/changelog is maintained separately of ChangeLog, CHANGES or whatever the upstream changelog is called
[12:14] <screeb> so debian/changelogs should only deals with the changes I made?
[12:14] <tseng> yes.
[12:14] <screeb> ok :)
[12:14] <tseng> one entry per revision
[12:15] <dholbach> install devscripts and use    dch -i -Dedgy
[12:16] <screeb> ok, thanks
[01:39] <AnAnt> I have a problem with packaging, the Makefile has this line: install -m 4711 file destdir
[01:40] <AnAnt> which sets the file with +s mode
[01:40] <AnAnt> now, after I create the deb package & install it, the file is not in that mode, why is that ?
[01:41] <Toadstool> dh_fixperms removes the sticky bits
[01:41] <Toadstool> use -X option if you really want it
[01:41] <ogra> but consider thrice if you really need it ...
[01:41] <Toadstool> indeed
[01:41] <AnAnt> ok
[01:41] <AnAnt> thanks
[01:47] <AnAnt> ok
[01:51] <AnAnt> thanks
[01:54] <AnAnt> ok, I the package I am adding, I see that mandrake has added some stuff to it, am I allowed to import that or not ?
[02:15] <zul> hey
[02:38] <AnAnt> in the Common mistakes
[02:39] <AnAnt> it says that I should NOT change the source tarball even if the directory layout is not in package-version format
[02:40] <AnAnt> I did that but when I run debuild I get this tarball: package_version-revision.tar.gz
[02:42] <dholbach> move the originial tarball to package_version.orig.tar.gz
[02:42] <phanatic> hi people
[02:42] <dholbach> unpack it, add debian/ dir, then   debuild -S
[02:42] <dholbach> that will give you a nice .diff.gz
[02:43] <AnAnt> oh yes, I found my mistake
[02:43] <AnAnt> I named it package-version.orig.tar.gz instead of _ !
[02:43] <AnAnt> thanks
[02:53] <lionelp> Does somebody have time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2615 ?
[02:54] <phanatic> lionelp: i'll have a look
[02:54] <lionelp> thanks phanatic
[02:54] <phanatic> cool package name btw ;)
[02:54] <dredg> ha. hahaha. oh god.
[02:55] <dredg> try not to restart *that* flamewar that hot-babe caused on debian-devel :)
[02:55] <lionelp> :)
[02:55] <lionelp> phanatic: it's a cool software used by my collegues, so i decided to package it :)
[02:56] <phanatic> nice :)
[03:03] <phanatic> i'd rather see real women tho ;)
[03:03] <lionelp> :)
[03:04] <phanatic> lionelp: just a small issue, see my comments :)
[03:06] <lionelp> Ok, thanks
[03:06] <Mithrandir> lionelp: you're aware that the package has been deemed inappropriate in the past?
[03:06] <lionelp> hum... no :)
[03:06] <Mithrandir> it has.
[03:07] <lionelp> Ok, so we have to forget it, right ?
[03:07] <Mithrandir> yes, please.
[03:07] <lionelp> No problem !
[03:08] <Mithrandir> cheers.
[03:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:12] <phanatic> oops :)
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I see you got knights working :-)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yeah.  somehow.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh yeah, now i remember....
[03:49] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ajmitch had suggested taking one of the sets of double brackets out in the rules, then it worked fine.
[03:49] <bddebian> Nice
[03:50] <zakame> hi gang
[03:50] <phanatic> hey bddebian, Hobbsee, zakame :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic and zakame
[03:51] <zul> hi zakame
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi zakame, phanatic, zul
[03:51] <zul> hey
[03:52] <zakame> heya phanatic Hobbsee zul bddebian
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[03:52] <Hobbsee> @ hi zul
[03:52] <Hobbsee> too many Z names.
[03:53] <zul> yes we are taking over
[03:54] <zul> its a cult
[03:54] <zul> like girl guides
[03:56] <bddebian> Nice, another desktop file gets added in Debian
[04:03] <Sp4rKy> hey motus
[04:04] <Sp4rKy> today i start packaging of torsmo and autoscan :)
[04:09] <zakame> hmm what's the current merging procedure now?  Do I still follow the old procedure in Dapper?
[04:10] <ajmitch> see topic - general practice is grabbing merges where you last touched the package, afaik
[04:12] <zakame> well I just saw MOTU/merges and its still very much the old process, just confirming
[04:19] <Hobbsee> zakame: merge-o-matic makes merging a lot easier
[04:22] <tseng> Hobbsee: I still dont use MoM
[04:22] <tseng> i am old school
[04:23] <Hobbsee> tseng: i never said you had to, i said it makes it easier (often, anyway) :P
[04:23] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: don't be so harsh on zakame, he's $2500 richer now
[04:23] <tseng> I used to do it completely from memory when I was the only guy doing mono
[04:23] <jsgotangco> which is a *LOT* of money here
[04:25] <ajmitch> poor zakame
[04:26] <zul> party at zakame's place
[04:30] <bddebian> tseng: Me either, it's a pain :-)
[04:31] <tseng> bddebian: finally, someone agrees
[04:31] <bddebian> I think it's more steps that grabbing the Debian package and manually merging in our changes :-)
[04:31] <Sp4rKy> checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no
[04:31] <Sp4rKy> checking for XdbeQueryExtension in -lXext... no
[04:31] <Sp4rKy> what must i add to B-d ?
[04:32] <tseng> libx11 libxext?
[04:32] <Sp4rKy> libx11-dev && libxext-dev, isn't it ??
[04:32] <tseng> right.
[04:35] <zakame> ajmitch, zul: lol
[04:36] <bddebian> Go Sp4rKy, go Sp4rKy ;-)
[04:37] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, thx :)
[04:37] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i'm packaging torsmo
[04:37] <Sp4rKy> i've a few strange issue ...
[04:39] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, checking for XOpenDisplay in -lX11... no
[04:39] <Sp4rKy> checking for XdbeQueryExtension in -lXext... no
[04:39] <Sp4rKy> what package must i include ?
[04:40] <AnAnt> I need help regarding patches
[04:40] <AnAnt> in the Ubuntu help it says, that if I am to modify anything in the source , I should put it in debian/patches
[04:41] <AnAnt> I did the steps
[04:41] <AnAnt> all until putting the patches list in 00list
[04:41] <AnAnt> now, how do I instruct the debian packager to apply those patches ?
[04:42] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Didn't tseng just answer you? :-)
[04:42] <Sp4rKy> oups, i didn't see
[04:43] <Sp4rKy> but is it libx11 or libx11-dev ?
[04:43] <tseng> -dev
[04:43] <tseng> and you figured it out for yourself
[04:43] <bddebian> AnAnt: Depends on the packaging system.  If it's dpatch, it should get picked up automagically if its in 00list
[04:43] <tseng> why ask twice?
[04:43] <bddebian> :-)
[04:43] <Sp4rKy> tseng, bddebian i've already add them to B-D but doesn't work any more
[04:44] <tseng> then you should ask us about that
[04:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: I did use dpatch
[04:44] <AnAnt> bddebian: but when I ran pbuilder it did not apply the patches
[04:44] <Sp4rKy> tseng, sorry :(
[04:46] <AnAnt> bddebian: so I shouldn't add anything in the rules file ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: dpatch is a build-dep, isnt it?
[04:46] <bddebian> AnAnt: If it has ../foo/bar/dpatch.mk in the rules, no.  Do you know that any of the patches are getting applied?
[04:47] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: yes, it is in Build-Depends
[04:48] <AnAnt> bddebian: no it does not have any dpatch in the rules file
[04:49] <hub> there is no mugshot package in edgy?
[04:52] <AnAnt> bddebian: so how should I add it ?
[04:57] <bddebian> AnAnt: If you are using CDBS, add the following line to rules:  rules/dpatch.mk
[04:57] <bddebian> With the proper path of course
[04:58] <AnAnt> what if I used debhelper ?
[04:58] <azeem> AnAnt: dpatch has documentation on how to use it in debian/rules AFAIK
[04:58] <bddebian> Then you have use use somethign like dpatch apply-all
[04:59] <AnAnt> ic
[04:59] <AnAnt> thx
[05:06] <bddebian> Heya azeem
[05:06] <azeem> hi Barry
[05:12] <AnAnt> ok, I did that, I am getting this: applying patch 01_description to ./ ... failed.
[05:13] <bddebian> AnAnt: Then your patch is wrong :-)  Did you use dpatch-edit-patch to create it?
[05:13] <AnAnt> err, hang on, I think I know the mistake
[05:17] <Toadstool> re
[05:17] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:17] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[05:23] <MadMan2k> I guess I should avoid installing things in /usr/local? (packaging gimp 2.3.10 right now)
[05:25] <AnAnt> I am getting an error when I run "dpatch call-all -a=pkg-info >patch-stamp" : 01_description.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument
[05:26] <bddebian> AnAnt: I don't think you need call-all but I am no dpatch expert
[05:26] <AnAnt> ok
[05:26] <AnAnt> ls
[05:26] <bddebian> :-)
[05:26] <zakame> MadMan2k: using stow might help
[05:29] <MadMan2k> right now im installing it to /opt and copying making gimp-2.3 in /usr/bin/ and /usr/share/applications
[05:33] <Sp4rKy> http://pastebin.ca/80570
[05:33] <Sp4rKy> this is my issue during pbuild of torsmo
[05:34] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: You are missing a build-dep somewhere
[05:35] <bddebian> Do you have xlibs-dev or whatever it is now?
[05:35] <Sp4rKy> i've added xlibs-deb , libx11-dev and libxext-dev
[05:35] <Sp4rKy> :)
[05:36] <Sp4rKy> i've added them :)
[05:36] <zakame> try looking for the old xlibs-split script somewhere, that also tells good x build-deps
[05:37] <Sp4rKy> xlibs-dev are needed
[05:37] <bddebian> This looks conspicuous:  gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.     -Wall -g -O2 -Wl,-z,defs -Wall -W -c x11.c
[05:37] <bddebian>  -I. -I. -I. ?
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> yeah
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> strange
[05:38] <bddebian> One of those should be -I/usr/include/X11 ?
[05:38] <Sp4rKy> but if i do ./configure && make &&make install , it works
[05:39] <hub> I have an app foo that builds its own libs
[05:39] <hub> can I name the package foo-libs ?
[05:41] <Sp4rKy> libfoo are better i think
[05:41] <zakame> hmm what are the .sos?
[05:42] <bddebian> zakame: Literaly .sos or .so ?
[05:42] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Are you passing anything to make in your rules?
[05:43] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, only the defaut configuration created by dh_make
[05:43] <zakame> bddebian: .so
[05:43] <bddebian> That's doesn't help me any Sp4rKy :-)  $(MAKE) <what?>
[05:43] <bddebian> zakame: sonames
[05:44] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, only $(MAKE)
[05:44] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Ah, OK
[05:44] <Sp4rKy> build-stamp:  config.status
[05:44] <Sp4rKy>         dh_testdir
[05:44] <Sp4rKy>         # Add here commands to compile the package.
[05:44] <Sp4rKy>         $(MAKE)
[05:44] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: How about configure?
[05:45] <Sp4rKy> config.status: configure
[05:45] <Sp4rKy>         dh_testdir
[05:45] <Sp4rKy>         # Add here commands to configure the package.
[05:45] <Sp4rKy>         CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS) -Wl,-z,defs" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info
[05:47] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, any idea ?
[05:47] <bddebian> zakame: It allows the library to point to different (correct?) versions.  So the app can always lookf ror libfoo.so  but libfoo.so may symlink to libfoo.so.1.2 or some such
[05:48] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Are there any LDFLAGS in your rules?
[05:48] <Sp4rKy> no
[05:48] <Sp4rKy> only LDFLAGS
[05:49] <zakame> bddebian: erm I wasn't asking about sonames, I was asking about hub's app, in particular the names of the build libs
[05:50] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: ??
[05:50] <bddebian> zakame: Oh, hehe, sorry
[05:50] <bddebian> Oh, what are THE .sos, not what are .sos :-)
[05:51] <zakame> no prob :)
[05:51] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, no LDFLAGS in my rules, only CFLAGS
[05:54] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Hmm, ok
[06:08] <zakame> great, done the first merge for apollon
[06:09] <zakame> was able to reduce the diff to go without the ecess POs
[06:14] <zakame> gn8
[06:14] <zakame> gn8/away zzz
[06:15] <bddebian> gnight zakame
[06:16] <bddebian> OK, this is invalid but is there a better way to do it other than to split it into multiple lines?
[06:16] <bddebian>         install -m 644 support/{mp3.conf,mp3_with_mysql.conf,mysql_schema} $(CURDIR)/debian/libapache-mod-mp3/usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-mp3/examples
[06:16] <bddebian> Not my code btw :-)
[06:17] <zakame> use $(shell foreach) ?
[06:18] <bddebian> zakame: ?
[06:18] <bddebian> Sorry my regexp foo sucks majorly
[06:19] <zakame> that's in make right? I suppose you can use a foreach-do-done snippet then
[06:19] <zakame> a bit longer, but a bit more readable
[06:20] <bddebian> No, this is debian/rules
[06:21] <zakame> you can still use that, its a makefile
[06:21] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, it works :)
[06:21] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Excellent, what was it?
[06:21] <Sp4rKy> i've just add --x-libraries=/usr/include/X11 :)
[06:22] <zakame> anyhow gn8 really :D
[06:23] <Sp4rKy> bddebian, i've add --x-libraries=/usr/include/X11 to the configure target and it works correctly now :) thx for your help
[06:24] <bddebian> Sp4rKy: Gah, you fixed it, nice work :-)
[06:24] <bddebian> zakame: Gnight, thx
[06:46] <mitsuhiko> hoi
[06:47] <mitsuhiko> does anybody know if edgy will ship python2.5?
[06:48] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache show python2.5
[06:48] <dholbach> Package: python2.5
[06:48] <dholbach> Priority: optional
[06:48] <dholbach> Section: universe/python
[06:48] <dholbach> ...
[06:49] <dholbach> see you later
[06:49] <dholbach> *wave*
[06:50] <phanatic> bye dholbach
[06:53] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[06:53] <dholbach> bye phanatic, bddebian
[07:05] <bddebian> w00t, another desktop file added in Debian..
[07:14] <Ramunas> Hello
[07:14] <Ramunas> was Opera added to ubuntu's repositories?
[07:15] <Erlang> sounds unlikely to me.
[07:15] <Ramunas> http://opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/07/06/02/
[07:16] <Ramunas> By using the Ubuntu Add / Remove Programs feature, users can choose to install a wide variety of applications. This announcement continues the drive to ensure Ubuntu gives real choice and real flexibility as well as an easy to use interface that everyone can use.
[07:16] <Erlang> well, that's a recent announcment.  Give it some time.
[07:16] <Ramunas> i'm just really curious :)
[07:17] <ogra> it depends ... you should have dapper-updates enabled to get the last version of gnome-app-install and/or gnome-app-install-data
[07:18] <ogra> that will use the opera repo to install it automatically
[07:18] <Ramunas> so if user has updates lines in his sources.list uncommented he'll be able to install opera via apt-get?
[07:18] <Ramunas> did i get this right?
[07:19] <ogra> nope
[07:19] <Ramunas> please explain
[07:19] <ogra> if a user had updates enabled (which is the default) he will get new data for the add/remove feature that enables him to install opera with one click
[07:24] <Ramunas> thanks for explaining
[07:25] <Ramunas> and do you have any idea when will this happen?
[07:25] <Ramunas> its not yet avaible, isn't it?
[07:25] <ogra> should be in the next uptade of gnome-app-install-data
[07:25] <ogra> i run edgy here, so i cant verify if it has hit dapper :)
[07:25] <Ramunas> ah :)
[07:27] <Toadstool> re
[07:28] <Toadstool> could someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2621 please? :)
[07:28] <Ramunas> ogra: thanks for your answers, bye bye
[07:29] <bddebian> Toadstool: Give me a sec
[07:29] <mukund> offtopic: does anyone here have windows and can quickly check just 1 page for me in IE please?
[07:35] <bddebian> mukund: Sure
[07:47] <MadMan2k> I want to replace gimp from teh repositories with my own version but not split it up in gimp-data etc
[07:47] <MadMan2k> how can I avoid problems with other packages like xsane which depends on libgimp?
[07:48] <hub> MadMan2k: you have to have the same packaging
[07:48] <hub> MadMan2k: or you'll have to change all the packages
[07:48] <hub> alternatively using the "Provides" field in the control file
[07:48] <MadMan2k> cant I do something with Replace/ Provides?
[07:49] <hub> you will have to install it using apt anyway
[07:49] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:49] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[07:50] <MadMan2k> could "Provides: libgimp2.0" do it, or does it ahve some version appended?
[07:50] <MadMan2k> *have to have
[07:51] <MadMan2k> but perhaps I'll just try to split it up - wanted to dig into this sometime anyway
[08:27] <bddebian> Toadstool: Sorry, test building now...
[08:47] <LaserJock> any Ruby people about?
[09:18] <bddebian> Damn REVU has a buttload of packages on it...
[09:20] <crimsun> this x transition is /fun/
[09:20] <crimsun> as in http://futurepast.free.fr/you-are-my-pony.png  fun
[09:21] <bddebian> heh
[09:21] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[09:23] <crimsun> hi
[09:24] <LaserJock> I love crimsun's random pony pics
[09:25] <bddebian> I just love crimsun ;-P
[09:25] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[09:25] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[09:27] <LaserJock> dholbach!
[09:27] <bddebian> LaserJock: Oh, I pinged panthera last night and he claims he is going to upload Scilab 4 this weekend
[09:28] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:29] <LaserJock> bddebian: excellent, hopefully that is true
[09:29] <bddebian> Well I'll keep bugging the shit out of him :-)
[09:29] <LaserJock> good
[09:30] <LaserJock> I didn't pursue it
[09:30] <LaserJock> and it never got done so...
[09:31] <LaserJock> I'm currently building the MOTU Science lists-that-rock-the-world ;-)
[09:32] <bddebian> LaserJock: Cool, show me when you are done
[09:32] <LaserJock> k, check out http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/merge_list.html
[09:32] <LaserJock> and http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html
[09:33] <LaserJock> I had to modify lucas' scripts to grab the new MoM reports
[09:34] <LaserJock> and I refreshed the lists for edgy, etc.
[09:34] <bddebian> Oh, cernlib can't be done yet
[09:36] <LaserJock> so MOTU Science now has 452 source packages :-)
[09:40] <bddebian> Nice
[09:42] <dredg> dholbach: hello
[09:42] <dholbach> heya dredg
[09:42] <dholbach> nice to see you again
[09:42] <dredg> :)
[09:42] <dredg> i've been spending all my time doing horrendous things to breezy :)
[09:43] <dholbach> haha - great :)
[09:44] <dredg> nearly at dapper though :)
[09:44] <dholbach> welcome to the future :)
[09:44] <dholbach> ... or something
[09:44] <bddebian> Bah, Dapper is old news.. ;-)
[09:45] <dredg> once dapper is done i can start looking at edgy. i reckon it'll be a month before I can do that though
[09:45] <sladen> LaserJock: what subset are those lists on your site of?
[09:46] <dredg> bddebian: yeah, yeah. it took me an age to figure out kerberos nfs breakage between breezy and dapper
[09:46] <LaserJock> that is Electronics, Math, and Science sections of the repos + misc. packages that are science related
[09:46] <LaserJock> sladen: oh, they come from the edgy repos
[09:47] <sladen> LaserJock: those scripts look useful, could they be put somewhere to generate the same information set for other packages
[09:47] <sladen> LaserJock: the information is actually presented in a useable form
[09:48] <LaserJock> sladen: yes, they come from lucas
[09:48] <dredg> dholbach: i just made a goobuntu usplash for dapper. i'm tempted to take awful photos and leak them to slashdot
[09:48] <LaserJock> sladen: wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiDistroTools , but I had to tweak them a little for edgy
[09:48] <dredg> they'd have to be really blurry and grainy, just to kick off the conspiracy theorists :)
[09:49] <dholbach> dredg: hahahaha - that'd be so cool!
[09:49] <LaserJock> sladen: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/ has more lists some of which are general to Universe
[09:59] <Toadstool> re
[10:01] <Toadstool> bddebian: the warning when building mmpython is normal, current dpkg doesn't know about the new python policy
[10:06] <dredg> dholbach: and it looks like i have to go to the next UDS :)
[10:06] <dredg> had intended to go to paris but managed to book 3 weeks in the US that overlapped.
[10:07] <dholbach> dredg: nice, i'm happy to see you there next time
[10:08] <dredg> sabdfl was in the office a couple of weeks ago and told me to go
[10:08] <dredg> liam (another guy working on goobuntu) managed to make it though
[10:08] <dholbach>  rock ' n ' roll :-)
[10:08] <tseng> goobuntu as in google?
[10:09] <bddebian> Toadstool: Ah, of course, silly me
[10:09] <dholbach> dredg: spread the rumour :)
[10:09] <Toadstool> bddebian: np :)
[10:09] <dredg> OMG NO COMMENTZ!!1
[10:09] <tseng> sigh
[10:09] <dredg> yeah, goobuntu as in google
[10:11] <dredg> no, it will never be released. yes, it's based on ubuntu. it's purely for google engineers though
[10:11] <tseng> yes, I am aware
[10:11] <dredg> just making sure ;)
[10:11] <tseng> I am not a frothing fanboy
[10:13] <bddebian> heh
[10:13] <bddebian> tseng: :'-(
[10:14] <dredg> i'll try and get some tshirts made up and bring them along
[10:18] <sladen> bddebian: WinFOSS
[10:24] <bddebian> heh
[10:25] <Toadstool> ping another motu than bddebian to review mmpython :)
[10:41] <crimsun> Toadstool: debian/copyright: mmpython should be (C) 2003-2005, not just 2003.  debian/mminfo.1: You'll want to capitalise "June".  Otherwise it looks good.
[10:44] <Toadstool> crimsun: ok thanks
[10:45] <bddebian> crimsun: Damn man, how do you catch that crap
[10:45] <TheMuso> bddebian: grep for copyright?
[10:45] <crimsun> bddebian: magicalponies.
[10:45] <bddebian> Gah, why do I even ask... :)
[10:46] <Toadstool> crimsun: why 2003-2005 by the way?
[10:46] <LaserJock> hmm, somehow crimsun has tapped the power of the magical ponies for super MOTU strength ;-)
[10:46] <Toadstool> heh
[10:46] <bddebian> LaserJock: crimsun is core-dev now, don't insult him like that.. ;-P
[10:46] <crimsun> Toadstool: the release dates for three latest releases
[10:46] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes, but he's doing MOTU reviewing so ...
[10:47] <LaserJock> he must have some other pony power for core-dev
[10:47] <Toadstool> crimsun: ok
[10:48] <Toadstool> do it and run faster than ever :)
[10:48] <jrib> Hi, for this package, I need to change the debhelper version to 5.07 but how would I know to do this?  Is it always just the version I have installed despite the fact the control file that got created had 4.0.0 in there?
[10:48] <jrib> this package=http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2511
[10:49] <LaserJock> jrib: you look at what the current version of debhelper is
[10:50] <dredg> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= current.version.of.debhelper) in your control file
[10:50] <bddebian> jrib: Change debhelper (>= 4.0.0) to debhelper (>= 5.0.x) in debian/control
[10:50] <LaserJock> I have 5.0.7ubuntu13 installed so I would use >= 5.0.0 and 5 in debian/compat
[10:50] <jrib> k, makes sense, thanks everyone
[10:55] <imbrandon> crimsun: dosent share his pnie power ;) ----> [04:42]  <crimsun> best picture ever. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
[10:55] <tseng> damn right no pony for you
[10:55] <imbrandon> heh
[10:55] <imbrandon> moins everyone
[10:55] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[10:55] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[10:56] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock podcast posted if you dident already notice ;)
[10:56] <LaserJock> I saw it, haven't listened to it yet. I'm afraid that I'll sound way stupid :-)
[10:56] <Toadstool> bddebian, crimsun: feel free to advocate and upload mmpython now that I've applied what crimsun's advised me to do :)
[10:57] <imbrandon> hahahah nah it sound good , buut i'm a tad bias
[11:01] <crimsun> Toadstool: sure, make us use Find, eh?
[11:02] <Toadstool> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2622 here you have
[11:02] <Toadstool> :)
[11:02] <crimsun> done.
[11:02] <Toadstool> thanks
[11:03] <crimsun> np
[11:03] <bddebian> Damn, beat me to it
[11:04] <crimsun> you can upload if suits your ponies.
[11:04] <Toadstool> bddebian: it's up to you ;)
[11:08] <bddebian> Nah, screw you all now.. :-)
[11:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: now that isn't very CoCish ;-)
[11:08] <Toadstool> heh
[11:11] <bddebian> Toadstool: uploading
[11:12] <Toadstool> thanks bddebian
[11:14] <bddebian> Did persia / Emmet ever apply for MOTUship?
[11:14] <LaserJock> not sure
[11:14] <crimsun> he's not listed
[11:14] <LaserJock> there is a fairly big list at the ubuntu-dev LP page
[11:28] <bddebian> Grr, fscking maxima
[11:28] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:50] <bddebian> Later folks
[11:53] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[11:56] <ajmitch> morning
[11:56] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[11:57] <jrib> hello
[11:57] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Still in AU?
[11:58] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes
[11:59] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso and ajmitch
[11:59] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[12:02] <LaserJock> poor ajmitch ;-)
[12:02] <ajmitch> I know..
[12:03] <Toadstool> hi ajmitch