[12:12] <bluekuja__> cya :)
[12:12] <pygi> night
[12:34] <cbx33> ogra, I should have all lisas stuff sorted by tomorrow morning about 7 am
[12:34] <cbx33> then I'll get her to sign the CoC and we're away
[12:36] <ogra> cbx33, ok, tell me when she subscribed to the ubuntu-art ML, then i'll announce her (she should probably follow up and introduce herself :) )
[12:37] <cbx33> YES
[12:37] <cbx33> THAT'LL BE TOMORROW
[12:37] <cbx33> whoops
[12:38] <cbx33> sorry
[12:38] <ogra> wow, that was an 1h upload for kdeedu 
[12:38] <ogra> yay, i'm done with my two nightmare packges :)
[12:38] <cbx33> :D
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[01:02] <bimberi> LaserJock: well it's here :)
[01:03] <LaserJock> hanks :-)
[01:03] <LaserJock> *thanks
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[01:21] <bimberi> gah, apologies for the unnecessary ping
[01:21] <LaserJock> dang it, I forgot the sft syntax for bzr bush
[01:21] <LaserJock> bimberi: hehe
[01:21] <crimsun> for what?
[01:22] <LaserJock> sftp:// blah blah blah
[01:22] <LaserJock> I keep getting parent directory doesn't exist
[01:23] <crimsun> bzr push --create-prefix sftp://login@bazaar.launchpad.net/~group/product/branch/
[01:24] <crimsun> (at least I presume you meant push and not bush, which doesn't appear to be valid)
[01:24] <bimberi> lol i was wondering if there was a 'bush' command and what it would do
[01:24] <LaserJock> doh, didn't even see that
[01:25] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, should --create-prefix be needed for an existing branch?
[01:28] <crimsun> no, why?
[01:28] <crimsun> what's the syntax you're using?
[01:29] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:29] <LaserJock> bzr push sftp://login@host/absolute/path/
[01:29] <jsgotangco> that should work
[01:29] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[01:30] <crimsun> well, are you sure the path actually /does/ exist?
[01:30] <crimsun> log in via sftp and check
[01:30] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:30] <LaserJock> I mean I cd'd to the directory
[01:31] <LaserJock> and did pwd to get the absolute path part
[01:31] <crimsun> it should be relative to the sftp root.
[01:31] <LaserJock> but it comes back to me very quickly, like it isn't even talking to the host
[01:32] <LaserJock> what does that mean exactly?
[01:32] <LaserJock> I'm trying everything I can think of and get the same thing
[01:32] <crimsun> and you have python2.4-paramiko installed, correct?
[01:33] <LaserJock> I think so
[01:33] <crimsun> err, that's not a good sign ;)
[01:33] <LaserJock> well, it's on OS X so it's a bit different ;-)
[01:33] <crimsun> argh
[01:33] <crimsun> silly non-free OSes
[01:33] <crimsun> ;)
[01:34] <LaserJock> it's bzr 0.8.2 through fink
[01:34] <LaserJock> maybe I'll try it from a real OS ;-)
[01:35] <LaserJock> bah, bzr really is silly for this kind of thing :/
[01:35] <crimsun> why /are/ you using bzr?
[01:35] <jsgotangco> what are you using it for?
[01:35] <LaserJock> doc team repo :-)
[01:35] <jsgotangco> feh
[01:36] <jsgotangco> good luck
[01:36] <crimsun> fun.
[01:36] <jsgotangco> but personally i used bzr in LP for my own repo
[01:36] <LaserJock> I was going to freshen it up since jjesse actually wanted to try it out today
[01:36] <jsgotangco> of docbook files
[01:36] <crimsun> unless you used aptitude to install bzr, though, you'll get that error
[01:36] <LaserJock> really? it's paramiko?
[01:37] <crimsun> unless os x has some funky way of installing [or includes]  python2.4-paramiko
[01:37] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:37] <crimsun> because without python2.4-paramiko, python don't grok no sftp.
[01:37] <crimsun> I ran into this when I first started maintaining packages in bzr
[01:38] <jsgotangco> i think paramiko is the only way to be able to publish via sftp at the moment
[01:38] <LaserJock> installing now :-)
[01:38] <crimsun> no pony for you!
[01:38] <LaserJock> they could've put a better error messege like, "You dope, your stupid OS didn't include paramiko"
[01:38] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: its all in the bzr wiki
[01:39] <jsgotangco> no pony for you!
[01:39] <crimsun> dude, definitely no pony.
[01:39] <LaserJock> ah, that's better
[01:40] <LaserJock> well, you figure when the make these packages that the include the neccesary deps :-)
[01:40] <LaserJock> shame on me
[01:40] <jsgotangco> it doesnt assume you will publish in sftp for starters so
[01:40] <LaserJock> that's kinda dumb, IMNSHO
[01:41] <ogra> Recommends: python2.4-paramiko
[01:41] <ogra> ;)
[01:41] <LaserJock> ogra: right, which helps only if you are using aptitude or wait for edgy from what I've seen
[01:41] <jsgotangco> ;)
[01:42] <LaserJock> I hate being stuck in OS X all the time
[01:42] <LaserJock> I wouldn't mind dual booting even
[01:42] <ogra> well, recommends also says "this package works without it, so we dont depend tightly on it"
[01:42] <jsgotangco> You can simply use rsync to copy your branch to a web server, but using bzr push is the easiest way. Note that to use sftp, your need to install paramiko and pyCrypto. See Installation page in the wiki.
[01:42] <jsgotangco> http://bazaar-vcs.org/QuickHackingWithBzr
[01:42] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ^^
[01:42] <LaserJock> right, so you can do all the distributed revision control you want, you just can't get it off your box :-)
[01:43] <ogra> sure, with rsync :)
[01:43] <LaserJock> right, but the point is that bzr doesn't seem to really care about remote usage very much
[01:43] <jsgotangco> troll all you want the bzr wiki sure needs organizational love though
[01:43] <LaserJock> hopefully it gets better, cause it really rocks
[01:44] <LaserJock> I'm no troll :-)
[01:44] <jsgotangco> except when you use it with lp atm
[01:44] <jsgotangco> and have 600+ revisions
[01:44] <jsgotangco> then open up bzrk
[01:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:44] <LaserJock> I just don't understand how I'm supposed to efficently use bzr for things that aren't local and have more than like 10 revisions
[01:45] <jsgotangco> if you dont need to refer to past code, you don't need something that gives you all revisions i guess
[01:48] <LaserJock> hmm, well I have no idea what I just did to the doc team bzr repo, but it kinda worked, I think :-)
[01:48] <jsgotangco> you imported the whole history?
[01:48] <LaserJock> heck no
[01:48] <LaserJock> I tried
[01:49] <LaserJock> but we are over 3000 commits and tailor barfed after like 100
[01:49] <jsgotangco> well it shouldn't be hard to create a new bzr mainline it just works 
[01:49] <LaserJock> and it didn't seem to like the idea of starting at 2000 either
[01:50] <jsgotangco> it doesnt make any sense too
[01:50] <crimsun> with dapper's tailor?
[01:50] <LaserJock> no, I downloaded it from the website
[01:51] <crimsun> I know dapper's tailor is one package revision behind what's necessary to have it work with dapper's bzr
[01:52] <crimsun> (d'oh!)
[01:52] <LaserJock> hmm, so I did a bzr push and then on the server did bzr commit so now I have 2 commits for the same thing
[01:52] <LaserJock> I'm obviously missing something
[01:53] <LaserJock> oh wait, maybe not
[01:53] <LaserJock> it's just weird
[01:53] <crimsun> welcome to decentralised vcs
[01:53] <bddebian> Heya
[01:53] <jsgotangco> its fun
[01:53] <LaserJock> crimsun: honestly, the more I use bzr the more I'm confused :-)
[01:58] <LaserJock> aaanyway, bzr rocks for these little projects I'm doing, it's just a pain in the put to be hauling around 200MB for the doc team repo
[01:58] <LaserJock> s/put/butt/ ;-)
[01:58] <LaserJock> ack, time for me to go home
[01:58] <crimsun> now imagine several kernel trees.
[04:53] <sbalneav> Hello edubuntu!  Everyone's favorite rotund Canadian has arrived!
[04:53] <lecaros> hi sbalneav
[04:53] <sbalneav> Hello hello!
[04:55] <mhz> hehehe
[04:55] <mhz> you are not my favorite candian
[05:00] <bddebian> mhz: Celine Dion is?
[05:00] <sbalneav> But I bet I'm your favorite ROTUND canadian :)
[05:02] <mhz> hehehe
[05:20] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[07:10] <cbx33> can we sign 1.0.1 yeT?
[07:14] <cbx33> ping jsgotangco / ogra 
[07:14] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:14] <cbx33> lisa is now ubuntero
[07:14] <cbx33> feel free to activate
[07:14] <jsgotangco> thanks
[07:16] <jsgotangco> cbx33: its done thanks
[07:17] <cbx33> i know :p
[07:17] <cbx33> just got the mail
[07:17] <jsgotangco> being husband and wife i think you should sign both of your keys
[07:18] <cbx33> although someone at my lug once laughed at me for saying that :p
[07:18] <cbx33> WOW GL Runs SMOOOOOTH on my new dapper
[07:18] <cbx33> XGL + Compiz too :D
[07:19] <jsgotangco> yuck
[07:19] <cbx33> I've never seen it run so good
[07:19] <cbx33> fedora blows
[07:20] <crimsun> what is a ubuntero?
[07:20] <cbx33> signed the CoC
[07:20] <crimsun> Ubuntero: Not yet
[07:20] <crimsun> well that's ... funny.
[07:21] <jsgotangco> basically someone who has signed the CoC
[07:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:21] <cbx33> why have you already signed it?
[07:21] <cbx33> :p
[07:21] <bimberi> what? surely not? gasp!
[07:21] <crimsun> I'm core-dev. Kinda a prereq.
[07:21] <cbx33> yeh swat i thougt
[07:25] <crimsun> there.
[07:25] <crimsun> I just had to sign 1.0.1
[07:30] <mhz> and even translated CoC into spanish
[07:30] <mhz> but that was old version 
[07:36] <bimberi> mhz_zzZZ: you're shown as 'Not Yet' too
[07:36] <mhz_zzZZ> ???
[07:36] <mhz_zzZZ> bimberi: where?
[07:36] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:37] <jsgotangco> meh! me too!
[07:37] <bimberi> https://launchpad.net/people/mhz
[07:38] <lecaros> mhz bimberi's right
[07:38] <bimberi> i think version 1.0.1 of the CoC has been around for a while but it's only recent that signing it has been required to stay as an Ubuntero
[07:39] <jsgotangco> lp should have aleterted people or it probably has
[07:39] <jsgotangco> dunno
[07:39] <jsgotangco> no dramas though can be fixed later
[07:39] <mhz_zzZZ> hmm, interesting
[07:40] <bimberi> i don't recall
[07:40] <bimberi> ... any notification
[07:40] <mhz_zzZZ> yeah, well, it is time to sign the 101
[07:40] <bimberi> but yes, no dramas :)
[07:40] <mhz_zzZZ> though, there should be a kind of announcement
[07:40] <mhz_zzZZ> maybe in Newsletter?
[07:42] <mhz_zzZZ> anyways...as in Mike Patton's words, "my life is falling to pieces, somebody put me together"
[07:42] <mhz_zzZZ> i gotta get some sleep
[07:42] <mhz_zzZZ> bye ayou all
[07:49] <lecaros> me too...
[07:49] <lecaros> good night
[08:32] <pygi> highvoltage, link to edgy specs pls? :)
[08:40] <highvoltage> pygi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs
[08:40] <pygi> highvoltage, I wanted edgy specs, but found it, thanks ^_^
[08:40] <highvoltage> pygi: i mean, https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs
[08:40] <highvoltage> ok :)
[10:02] <RobinShepheard> hi all
[10:03] <jsgotangco> hi RobinShepheard
[10:03] <RobinShepheard> hiya  jsgotangco 
[10:03] <RobinShepheard> how are you??
[10:08] <RobinShepheard> can someone point me to information about time plans for the release of alpha/beta cd's for edgy if there is anything about??
[10:08] <RobinShepheard> I have just done a search on the edubuntu wiki and can't see anything relevant
[10:10] <RobinShepheard> all I can find is a date of  september 28th for beta release, will that be the first release??
[11:06] <pygi> RobinShepheard, I'll need to have a talk with you later today
[11:06] <RobinShepheard> pygi, ok, am I in trouble??
[11:06] <DanielC> heh
[11:06] <pygi> yes, you are
[11:07] <RobinShepheard> when would you like to talk??
[11:07] <pygi> RobinShepheard, when I'm back :P
[11:07] <RobinShepheard> lol ok, any idea as to a rough time frame??
[11:08] <pygi> no :P
[11:08] <RobinShepheard> ok
[11:09] <RobinShepheard> I will be popping out for lunch (30 mins) in about 2.5-3 hours and then leaving to go home in about 7hours, but anytime during that timescale is fine
[11:09] <pygi> no worries
[11:11] <pygi> RobinShepheard, I will post something to edu-dev list also
[11:12] <RobinShepheard> pygi, what about the chat??
[11:12] <pygi> RobinShepheard, that will later :P
[11:13] <pygi> AS I said, gotta run now :)
[11:13] <RobinShepheard> ok see you later pygi 
[12:41] <RobinShepheard> pygi, ready when you are
[12:43] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:43] <jsgotangco> what's done is done no more dramas i'd say
[12:43] <pygi> jsgotangco, I agree
[12:44] <RobinShepheard> I have tried to correct the situation as best as I can, and shall do my best to see that it doesn't happen again
[12:45] <RobinShepheard> I believe that I have made it clear in my emails that I am directly responsible and that no blame sits with anyone else
[12:46] <RobinShepheard> and that no slight was ment to anyone or any project
[12:46] <RobinShepheard> *meant
[12:46] <pygi> RobinShepheard, don't worry ^_^
[12:46] <jsgotangco> yep no worries
[12:53] <RobinShepheard> so am I still allowed to contribute to the handbook??
[12:53] <pygi> RobinShepheard, 'fcorse ^_^
[12:53] <RobinShepheard> ok I did just want to check 
[12:54] <RobinShepheard> it was a fairly serious mistake
[12:54] <pygi> we all make mistakes, be shh ^_^
[12:54] <RobinShepheard> ok
[12:58] <RobinShepheard> pygi,  I notice you will be talking in Hungary in september, do you speak magyar??
[12:58] <pygi> RobinShepheard, no :P
[12:58] <RobinShepheard> ahh so in english then
[12:58] <pygi> aha ^_^ Why, you from Hungary?
[12:59] <RobinShepheard> nahh, I have quite a lot of hungarian friends and love the country
[01:00] <RobinShepheard> and they do do a Very good firework display for st Istvans day
[01:09] <jsgotangco> bbl friday night =)
[01:24] <Electryfier> Hey, does anyone know how to turn source code into .deb installers?
[01:24] <ogra> Electryfier, please ask in #ubuntu-motu, this is the channel for edubuntu support
[01:25] <Electryfier> Ok
[03:21] <Electryfier> How do I move files/folders in terminal?
[03:22] <Electryfier> that is, via terminal
[03:22] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:22] <bddebian>  mv
[03:23] <Electryfier> really?
[03:23] <Electryfier> ok
[03:24] <mhz> mv SourceFiles TargetDirectory
[03:24] <Electryfier> ok
[03:24] <Electryfier> ok
[03:25] <mhz> yw
[03:25] <Electryfier> but how do I get root access, real root, because fakeroot don't work the way I need it
[03:26] <Electryfier> other than terminal
[03:26] <Electryfier> ogra, can u help
[03:26] <bddebian>  sudo mv foo bar
[03:26] <Electryfier> what
[03:26] <Electryfier> that is the command
[03:26] <Electryfier> ok
[03:27] <bddebian>  Well sudo mv <source> <target>
[03:27] <Electryfier> hello, I do not need that command
[03:27] <Electryfier> know it now
[03:27] <mhz> Electryfier: everytime you need 'root' privileges in Ubuntu, default command to start each line is 'sudo'
[03:27] <Electryfier> ok
[03:28] <mhz> this will require your user-admin password
[03:28] <ogra> Electryfier, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:28] <Electryfier> thx
[03:28] <mhz> Electryfier: however, unless you do know what you are doing, i wouldn't recommend the use of 'root'
[03:29] <Electryfier> I know what I am doing
[03:29] <Electryfier> just need to follow instructions
[03:29] <mhz> yeah, it is just that the good thing about sudo is that the 'user' do stuff and so, the logs will always tell you who was the one making mistakes :D
[03:30] <Electryfier> k
[03:30] <Electryfier> gotta go
[03:30] <Electryfier> cya
[03:30] <mhz> ok
[03:32] <bddebian> hehe
[03:35] <mhz> ogra: re my ideas of edubuntu latino (light desktop + spanish as default language).. Wouldn't it be better if we -people with special identified needs for a 700 MB CD with other language, or other things- could encourage others to adopt and cutomize edubuntu and keeping 'edubuntu core-skeleton'? Maybe having an irc classroom how-to session may help this purpose.
[03:36] <ogra> mhz, feel free to hold one
[03:37] <ogra> i have never customized an edubuntu Cd in my life
[03:37] <ogra> (or an ubuntu CD)
[03:37] <mhz> I mean, yes, one way of achieving that purpose is I get to make it work using dsslive + dapper skeleton. However, that is a 'non-ogra's way'
[03:37] <mhz> oh, it seems i may have wrong concepts then
[03:37] <ogra> well, then you should have a dsslive developer attending ;)
[03:38] <mhz> yeah, lol
[03:38] <ogra> i'll happily answer questions about the existing CD or about packages, but i have no clue about how to do what you want to do beyond the stuff thats written on the wiki about it
[03:38] <mhz> well, it seems i may have some wrong concepts. afaik, what you do is use ubuntu-skeleton + add a set of applications and artwork. Then build an iso. Is that right?
[03:39] <ogra> partially
[03:39] <ogra> i dont do it in a way that you could access
[03:39] <mhz> ahhhhh
[03:39] <ogra> you're better off with the customizing howto from the wiki
[03:40] <mhz> then, if not using dsslive approach, how do you picture I could work on edubuntu-latino?
[03:40] <pygi> mhz, http://lichota.net/~krzysiek/projects/ubuntu-livecd-customization/
[03:40] <pygi> this way ^_^
[03:40] <ogra> colin has a bzr repo of the debiancd scripts we use and his modifications ...
[03:40] <mhz> oh, ok, i'll keep reading
[03:41] <ogra> but that wont help you with the livefs building ...
[03:41] <mhz> thx, pygi and ogra 
[03:41] <mhz> oh
[03:41] <mhz> crap
[03:41] <mhz> :)
[03:41] <pygi> mhz, :
[03:41] <pygi> :)
[03:42] <mhz> well, I have a meeting with the guys who would help in Chile first. Yeah, we all will read the info suggested so far
[03:43] <mhz> thx, guys
[03:43] <mhz> bye
[04:06] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[04:08] <ogra> sbalneav, scottie !!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:08] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!!!!
[04:08] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[04:09] <ogra> well, i just read the notes of klaus knopper on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD
[04:09] <ogra> apart from that i postponed my driving to tomorrow
[04:09] <ogra> have nearly all merges done ...
[04:10] <ogra> havent heard back from my last unapproved spec ...
[04:10] <ogra> and will buy a voip headset today :)
[04:12] <sbalneav> Awesomeness.
[04:13] <ogra> i'm pondering to port the knopper-terminalserver to use zenity so we could put it in universe , sounds helpful
[04:14] <ogra> ... it uses dialog+Xdialog, it can be run "graphically" in textmode as well as in X. It's basically a configuration frontend for pxelinux, TFTP, DHCP and NFS ...
[04:15] <sbalneav> I've used Xdialog before.  Zenity should be a simple "search and replace" substitute.
[04:15] <ogra> yep
[04:18] <sbalneav> hey, I've got a question.  Ever hear of cmake?  It's a much simpler replacement for autotools.  Does debian/ubuntu have a requirement that the packaging stuff MUST be done with auto*?  Or is it configurable to the point where if there's a different meta-builder used, it can adapt.  And more to the point, would this fall within Ubuntu guidelines?
[04:19] <ogra> cmake is only in universe, so nothing in main can use it ... unless its moved to main
[04:19] <ogra> dunno why its not in main though
[04:21] <ogra> sbalneav, whats your plan with lp_server ? lpd is dead upstram afaik ... 
[04:23] <ogra> wouldnt it be better to use cups ? or do you consider that to bloated
[04:23] <sbalneav> right.  Well, I suppose what should happen is I should package it up, so that it could be an installable package.  It's a standalone program, it just basically emulates an hp print server
[04:23] <sbalneav> ugh, no, cups is too huge.
[04:23] <sbalneav> Cups can TALK to lp_server, though.
[04:23] <ogra> well, lpd wont get updates or security fixes if nobody maintains it
[04:24] <sbalneav> lp_server doesn't use lpd, afaik
[04:24] <ogra> oh, i thought it was derived from lpd ...
[04:24] <sbalneav> no, not at all.
[04:24] <ogra> then just ignore me :)
[04:24] <sbalneav> I'd never do that.
[04:25] <ogra> well, if i ask silly questions, youre allowed to ;)
[04:26] <sbalneav> Dude, if we're keeping track of silly questions, I think I'm ahead of you by several orders of magnitude, so I think you're allowed a few now and then.
[04:26] <ogra> heh
[04:27] <sbalneav> Lets talk about lp_server as well on monday, as that would be an excellent little project to get my feet wet in the packaging universe.
[04:27] <ogra> yeah
[04:27] <sbalneav> Eventually I should become a motu as well.
[04:27] <ogra> especially it would move one thing we have to compile out of the ltsp package :)
[04:27] <sbalneav> When I become MOTU, do I get a cape and thor's hammer?
[04:27] <ogra> we'll make you a motu, dont worry :)
[04:28] <ogra> sure
[04:28] <ogra> we all have that :)
[04:28] <sbalneav> Excellent.
[04:29] <sbalneav> That would be called Mjolnir, if my Norse mythology serves me correctly :)
[04:29] <ogra> Mjolnir ==  hammer hidden behind chair ?
[04:30] <sbalneav> That was the name of the hammer, I think.
[04:30] <ogra> lol
[04:30] <sbalneav> hold on..
[04:30] <ogra> ah
[04:30] <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir
[04:31] <RobinShepheard> capes are a bad thing, haven't you seen the incredibles
[04:32] <sbalneav> Instead of smiting enemies, I think I should have said smiting bugs.
[04:32] <sbalneav> More apt, if I may use the pun.
[04:33] <ogra> heh
[05:07] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:09] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[05:37] <Petaris> Hello all
[05:37] <bddebian> Hello Petaris
[05:38] <Petaris> to get an ltsp server running is there something speacial I have to choose durring install?
[05:40] <Petaris> it seems to me last time I installed it "just worked" but this time around its is doing anything but
[05:40] <Petaris> I've decided to wipe the install and try again
[05:40] <Petaris> Do I want the desktop cd or the install cd?
[05:41] <Petaris> I would think install right?
[05:41] <Petaris> thats the one I downloaded for the installation last time
[05:43] <ogra> Petaris, thats fine ... se the link from the channel topic
[05:44] <Petaris> which one?
[05:44] <Petaris> the edubuntu.org?
[05:44] <ogra> well, the one that says you should read it before installing :)
[05:44] <Electryfier> does anyone know where to get makeinfo
[05:44] <ogra> Electryfier, please
[05:45] <Electryfier> k
[05:45] <Petaris> ogra: ahh, I'm allready reading it
[05:45] <Petaris> *again
[05:45] <ogra> could you please ask such questions in a dedicated devel channel
[05:45] <Electryfier> ok
[05:45] <ogra> (or general support channel)
[05:46] <Electryfier> ok
[05:46] <Electryfier> k
[05:46] <Petaris> ogra: anything speacial I have to do for installing an amd64 server with support for i386 clients?
[05:47] <ogra> Petaris, wipe the amd64 client root after install and run sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
[05:47] <Petaris> ogra: ok, and do you know if you can run the flash plugin as a local app on the clients?
[05:47] <ogra> nope
[05:47] <Petaris> I know it doesn't work on amd64
[05:48] <ogra> we dont support local apps at all yet
[05:48] <Petaris> bugger
[05:48] <ogra> you can run firefox in a chroot on the server
[05:48] <Petaris> hrm
[05:48] <ogra> there are howtos on the web how to set that up
[05:49] <Petaris> Is there something that is preventing local apps from working?
[05:49] <ogra> yes, a implementation :)
[05:49] <Petaris> don't you just chroot into the /opt/ltsp/i386 and apt-get the program?
[05:50] <Petaris> hrm
[05:50] <ogra> yes
[05:50] <Petaris> yes?
[05:50] <Petaris> then what is there to not work?
[05:50] <ogra> sure, thats how you install it ...
[05:50] <Petaris> I'm not trying to be troublesome just curious
[05:50] <Petaris> ahh
[05:50] <Petaris> ok
[05:50] <ogra> installing it is no problem :)
[05:50] <Petaris> cool
[05:51] <ogra> you need to execute it in a safe way *in* th eusers session on the server
[05:51] <Petaris> so if I install ff + the flash plugin as local apps I can get around the amd64 issue with flash
[05:52] <ogra> you can indeed set it up yourself ... by installing a ssh server in the client chroot and running a script that ssh's into the client from the users session and executes firefox
[05:52] <Petaris> ogra: how so?
[05:52] <Petaris> ahh
[05:52] <ogra> but thats a bunch of work
[05:52] <Petaris> ok
[05:52] <Petaris> yeah, sounds resource heavy too
[05:52] <Petaris> hrm, there must be a better way to do this
[05:53] <Petaris> Do you know if local apps are part of Mue Kow?
[05:53] <Petaris> I can't remember what Jim said
[05:54] <ogra> we *are* mue cow :)
[05:54] <ogra> and indeed local apps are planned to be implemented eventually
[05:55] <Petaris> ogra: ok
[05:55] <Petaris> hrm
[05:55] <ogra> it is planned that we merge our muecow implementation with ltsp upstream within the next two releases
[05:55] <ogra> so all the stuff ltsp.org has will enter our implementation one or the other way
[05:55] <ogra> and vice versy
[05:55] <ogra> *versa
[05:56] <Petaris> cool
[05:56] <jsgotangco> profit
[05:56] <Petaris> I can't wait for the new local devices stuff and ltspfs
[05:56] <ogra> so its likely that from edgy+2 on muecow owont exist anymore but ltsp-5 will *be* muecow for all distros
[06:00] <Petaris> ok
[06:03] <Petaris> ogra: would it be possible to install alsa in the client chroot?
[06:03] <Petaris> or would that not work
[06:03] <ogra> its already installed :)
[06:04] <Petaris> cool
[06:04] <ogra> our client chroot is a ubuntu base system ...
[06:04] <ogra> with xserver and ldm added ...
[06:04] <Petaris> so sound can be done locally on the clients then?
[06:04] <ogra> sure
[06:04] <Petaris> sweet
[06:04] <ogra> just make sure to enable it in the lts.conf ...
[06:05] <Petaris> ogra: how, is it just alsa = true or something?
[06:05] <ogra> SOUND=True 
[06:05] <ogra> (mind the capitalization :)
[06:05] <Petaris> right
[06:06] <ogra> its documented on the edubuntu.org homepage somewhere
[06:06] <Petaris> but I thought you had to specify a sound daemon or something
[06:06] <ogra> nope
[06:06] <Petaris> eg, esd
[06:06] <ogra> esd is the default
[06:06] <Petaris> cool
[06:06] <Petaris> but if your using alsa why would yoiu use esd?
[06:06] <ogra> it should just work 
[06:06] <Petaris> oh, wait
[06:06] <Petaris> duh
[06:07] <ogra> because alsa is no sounddaemon but a driver framework
[06:07] <Petaris> right
[06:07] <ogra> you need to transfer the sound through the net ... that can only be done by a souddaemon
[06:07] <Petaris> ahh
[06:07] <Petaris> ok
[06:07] <ogra> we have support for nasd included, but esd is the default
[06:08] <ogra> at some point phonon will replace esd
[06:08] <ogra> (i think sbalneav is working on that)
[06:08] <pygi> more KDE stuff !!!
[06:08] <Petaris> oh, with gstreamer or the like
[06:08] <Petaris> I would like to see something that works with everything
[06:09] <Petaris> the problem with arts, esd, etc is that they only work really well with the desktop they were made for
[06:10] <Petaris> well, artsd doesn't work well with anything but thats another rant ;)
[06:10] <ogra> YAY !!
[06:11] <ogra> pygi, KDE ?
[06:11] <jsgotangco> ogra: its BIG
[06:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, WOW !
[06:11] <ogra> pygi, err, right, i mean the successor of polypaudio ... its not called phonon, but has a similar strange name 
[06:11] <pygi> ogra, I am talking rubbish, ignore me :P
[06:12] <bddebian> jsgotangco: Awesome, congrats
[06:12] <jsgotangco> its actually a nationwide project
[06:12] <ogra> pygi, no youre righrt
[06:12] <jsgotangco> in other news, i can now see my house in google earth
[06:13] <pygi> ogra, ah, if you say so ^_^
[06:13] <Petaris> bddebian: That sucks
[06:14] <bddebian> Petaris: Aye but it pays the bills
[06:14] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, cheers!
[06:14] <Petaris> ogra: do you have to use a sound daemon with local apps too?  Or could they directly talk to alsa?
[06:14] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: hi rodrigo!
[06:15] <ogra> Petaris, they could use alsa directly ...
[06:15] <ogra> Petaris, we support dmix ...
[06:15] <Petaris> ogra: hrmmmmmm, that sounds like something that could be played with
[06:16] <LaserJock> ogra: puls
[06:16] <LaserJock> pulse
[06:16] <ogra> yeah !
[06:16] <ogra> pulse
[06:16] <Petaris> ogra: is there anyway to use the xfce mixer?
[06:16] <ogra> there isnt even a way to use the gnome mixer yet :)
[06:16] <ogra> afaik pulse shall address that too
[06:16] <Petaris> ok
[06:16] <Petaris> What is pulse?
[06:17] <pygi> ogra, right, that is not KDE stuff!!!
[06:17] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: its basically a program by the foundation to equip far flung public schools with computers and net connectivity and edubuntu is the favored system
[06:18] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:19] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, great stuff :)
[06:20] <jsgotangco> ironically, the rival network has its own foundation as well with a similar program but has MS as a partner i find it very funny
[06:21] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I found my house in google maps. That was rather cool
[06:21] <Petaris> Yagisan: Me too
[06:21] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: well its the first time manila got mapped in google
[06:21] <Yagisan> looked for the north korean missile test site too, but it wasn't high enough resolution pics
[06:21] <jsgotangco> before its just a blur
[06:22] <Petaris> Yagisan: haha, Me too
[06:22] <jsgotangco> seoul is rather clear in google though
[06:22] <Petaris> so is Washington DC
[06:22] <Yagisan> tokyo isn't. needs a few more pics
[06:22] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: strange, you had your key signed in UDU, we could have met?
[06:23] <LaserJock> I was able to find my in-laws house in the middle of Montana :/
[06:23] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: perhaps, but I didn't sign your key
[06:23] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: remember anyone there *without* a laptop ?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> there was news here today about the marines raiding suspected rebel soldiers and said they used a satellite system..deep inside i thought they just used google earth
[06:24] <jsgotangco> no
[06:24] <jsgotangco> but i could remember faces easily
[06:24] <jsgotangco> are you tall, with glasses and dark hair
[06:24] <Yagisan> no
[06:24] <jsgotangco> ok are you hairless
[06:25] <jsgotangco> (on top)
[06:25] <Yagisan> no glasses, brown hair (with natural blonde streak in summer)
[06:25] <Yagisan> very skiney
[06:25] <Yagisan> nose that looks like it's been broken
[06:25] <Yagisan> (it has a few times)
[06:26] <jsgotangco> show me a pic and i'll remember if i saw you
[06:26] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: you meet pitti ?
[06:26] <jsgotangco> many times
[06:26] <Yagisan> at UDU ?
[06:26] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: i was at UDU
[06:26] <Yagisan> if so, you may have met me, as all my work was with pitti
[06:29] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/20060621_Jamie_Jones_ID_Photo_120x160.jpg
[06:29] <jsgotangco> ah! yes! i did see you
[06:29] <jsgotangco> im pretty sure you got captured in my camera somewhere
[06:30] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I'm afraid I would not remember your face :(
[06:30] <jsgotangco> no worries
[06:30] <jsgotangco> just look at p.u.c
[06:31] <Yagisan> ?
[06:31] <jsgotangco> err planet.ubuntu.com
[06:33] <jsgotangco> i did meet some interesting aussies though
[06:33] <jsgotangco> like thoreaupeutic
[06:45] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I found you! you are vaguely familar
[06:46] <jsgotangco> actually im only one of 2 asians during UDU
[06:46] <jsgotangco> the other one was colin charles
[07:22] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: what's your keyid ?
[07:23] <jsgotangco> gpg?
[07:23] <Yagisan> yep
[07:25] <jsgotangco> 9E379FC6
[07:25] <LaserJock> no trust at all
[07:25] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:26] <jsgotangco> hah
[07:26] <Yagisan> heh. It goes via my old key
[07:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=4B6E7209&TO=9E379FC6&PATHS=trust+paths
[07:27] <jsgotangco> ah from BjornT
[07:34] <Yagisan> bddebian !! the man that can solve any problem. How are you ?
[08:28] <EmxBA> hi everyone!
[08:29] <LaserJock> hi EmxBA 
[08:29] <EmxBA> what's up in here? i wasn't online *a lot*
[08:32] <LaserJock> hmm, not really sure
[08:32] <LaserJock> people hanging out, working, etc.
[08:32] <LaserJock> got lots of spec work done for Edgy
[08:33] <EmxBA> anything *really* special, except cookbook?
[08:36] <LaserJock> here are some specs to look at: https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs
[08:37] <EmxBA> ok
[08:37] <LaserJock> the "approved" ones are cool
[09:43] <juliux> hi ogra_ 
[09:58] <hareem> hi i just installed edubuntu. How can i setup the ltsp users
[09:59] <hareem> can some one help me
[09:59] <baconbacon> check http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig
[10:00] <baconbacon> or http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[10:18] <lucasvo> hi everybody
[10:19] <pygi> !! hi !!
[10:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! hi !!
[10:19] <lucasvo> hi pygi 
[10:20] <lucasvo> I feel like doing some work for edubuntu atm
[10:20] <lucasvo> it's been a long time since I last did anything actively here...
[10:23] <hareem> i got the thin clients working ok. But how can i control them from the server. Like remotely log them off
[10:23] <Petaris> later
[10:27] <hareem> hey how can we control the thin clients that connect to us
[10:28] <lucasvo> hareem: there is no application that can do this yet
[10:28] <hareem> then how can i limit their usage time
[10:28] <ogra_> hareem, install student-control-panel from universe
[10:28] <LaserJock> student-control-panel might help some but I'm not sure what all it can do right now
[10:28] <LaserJock> doh
[10:28] <ogra_> it has no time options, but you can kick them out 
[10:29] <ogra_> (patches for a timeout tool gracefully accepted ;) )
[10:29] <hareem> how can i setup the student control panel
[10:29] <ogra_> install it with synaptic (the package manager) from universe
[10:30] <ogra_> it will show up in your administration menu
[10:32] <LaserJock> ogra_: I saw an interesing email on the sabayon thread
[10:32] <ogra_> about ?
[10:32] <LaserJock> somebody asked what happens if you use alacarte out of the menu
[10:33] <LaserJock> since it uses xnest you won't have alacarte to turn alacarte back on
[10:33] <Amaranth> if you remove alacarte from the menu using alacarte?
[10:33] <LaserJock> right
[10:33] <LaserJock> so you fire up your xnest and use alacarte to edit the menu
[10:34] <LaserJock> but one of the things you might want to take out of the menu is the ability to edit the menu
[10:34] <LaserJock> but once you've done that and saved the profile
[10:34] <LaserJock> then when you go to edit it again, no alacarte
[10:34] <Amaranth> um, right click on the menu and choose edit menus :P
[10:35] <Amaranth> on the panel applet, i mean
[10:35] <ogra_> doesnt the profile offer this ugly list with checkboxes once you have saved the profile ? 
[10:35] <ogra_> you should be able to revert it there
[10:35] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe
[10:35] <LaserJock> I'll have to check that
[10:35] <LaserJock> but it was an interesting though
[10:35] <LaserJock> t
[10:35] <ogra_> i think there is such a thing like a step by step log
[10:35] <LaserJock> you could alway edit the profile manually
[10:35] <ogra_> but i'm not sure
[10:36] <LaserJock> but that isn't very elegant
[10:36] <ogra_> yep
[10:36] <LaserJock> anyway it was an interesting email because the person was wanting to do a very similar thing to what we want to do
[10:37] <LaserJock> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sabayon-list/2006-June/msg00006.html
[10:37] <LaserJock> oh, is that DanielC
[10:38] <LaserJock> doh, wrong email
[10:47] <LaserJock> ah, this is the email: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sabayon-list/2006-March/msg00001.html
[10:49] <cbx33> evenin everyone
[10:50] <lucasvo> hi cbx33 
[10:50] <cbx33> hey lucasvo 
[10:50] <cbx33> long time no see
[10:52] <lucasvo> yeah
[10:52] <lucasvo> *com)
[10:53] <cbx33> django
[10:53] <cbx33> what's that?
[10:53] <lucasvo> cbx33: a webframework
[10:53] <cbx33> ah cool
[10:53] <cbx33> like ruby on rails can do?
[10:53] <lucasvo> *very* powerfull
[10:53] <pygi> cbx33, better then ruby on rails !!!
[10:53] <lucasvo> cbx33: yeah
[10:53] <cbx33> oooh
[10:53] <cbx33> i only glanced t ruby and thought wow this is quite cool
[10:54] <cbx33> so it must be amazing
[10:54] <pygi> cbx33, take
[10:54] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[10:54] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[10:55] <pygi> cbx33, ask Lisa what she thinks about it pls? ^_^
[10:55] <cbx33> I like it
[10:55] <cbx33> who did it?
[10:55] <pygi> Eva ^_^
[10:55] <lucasvo> pygi: what are you talking about ? :)
[10:56] <pygi> lucasvo, the drugs I just sold to cbx33 ^_^
[10:56] <lucasvo> baah
[10:56] <lucasvo> I had plenty of drugs the last two weeks
[10:56] <pygi> cbx33, one of my friends from London
[10:56] <cbx33> ah wicked
[10:56] <cbx33> I love it
[10:56] <cbx33> it looks kinda manga-esqe with some pop art thrown in
[10:57] <pygi> nice, care to ask lisa to comment? ^_^
[10:57] <pygi> We will also get 3 teddy bears holding hands =P
[10:57] <pygi> !! :)
[10:57] <cbx33> hehe nice
[10:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! :)
[10:57] <cbx33> I'll ask her
[10:57] <pygi> ubotu, you know nothing about nothing
[10:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about you know nothing about nothing
[10:58] <pygi> cbx33, thanks ^_^ ask her about the teddies too :P
[10:58] <pygi> (idea, considering she's leader now)
[11:00] <pygi> and thanks ^_^
[11:08] <lucasvo> pygi: you know django?
[11:08] <pygi> I know nothing ^_^
[11:25] <cbx33> pygi, lisa said she loves it.....
[11:25] <cbx33> bring it on :p
[11:25] <cbx33> brb
[11:45] <pygi> cbx33, nice ^_^