[12:12] cya :) [12:12] night === bluekuja__ is now known as bluekuja_laptop [12:34] ogra, I should have all lisas stuff sorted by tomorrow morning about 7 am [12:34] then I'll get her to sign the CoC and we're away [12:36] cbx33, ok, tell me when she subscribed to the ubuntu-art ML, then i'll announce her (she should probably follow up and introduce herself :) ) [12:37] YES [12:37] THAT'LL BE TOMORROW [12:37] whoops [12:38] sorry [12:38] wow, that was an 1h upload for kdeedu [12:38] yay, i'm done with my two nightmare packges :) [12:38] :D === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:02] !ubotu [01:02] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage [01:02] LaserJock: well it's here :) [01:03] hanks :-) [01:03] *thanks === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:19] %editors [01:19] Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, ompaul, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, Amaranth, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq [01:21] gah, apologies for the unnecessary ping [01:21] dang it, I forgot the sft syntax for bzr bush [01:21] bimberi: hehe [01:21] for what? [01:22] sftp:// blah blah blah [01:22] I keep getting parent directory doesn't exist [01:23] bzr push --create-prefix sftp://login@bazaar.launchpad.net/~group/product/branch/ [01:24] (at least I presume you meant push and not bush, which doesn't appear to be valid) [01:24] lol i was wondering if there was a 'bush' command and what it would do [01:24] doh, didn't even see that [01:25] crimsun: hmm, should --create-prefix be needed for an existing branch? [01:28] no, why? [01:28] what's the syntax you're using? [01:29] good morning [01:29] bzr push sftp://login@host/absolute/path/ [01:29] that should work [01:29] hi jsgotangco [01:30] well, are you sure the path actually /does/ exist? [01:30] log in via sftp and check [01:30] yeah [01:30] I mean I cd'd to the directory [01:31] and did pwd to get the absolute path part [01:31] it should be relative to the sftp root. [01:31] but it comes back to me very quickly, like it isn't even talking to the host [01:32] what does that mean exactly? [01:32] I'm trying everything I can think of and get the same thing [01:32] and you have python2.4-paramiko installed, correct? [01:33] I think so [01:33] err, that's not a good sign ;) [01:33] well, it's on OS X so it's a bit different ;-) [01:33] argh [01:33] silly non-free OSes [01:33] ;) [01:34] it's bzr 0.8.2 through fink [01:34] maybe I'll try it from a real OS ;-) [01:35] bah, bzr really is silly for this kind of thing :/ [01:35] why /are/ you using bzr? [01:35] what are you using it for? [01:35] doc team repo :-) [01:35] feh [01:36] good luck [01:36] fun. [01:36] but personally i used bzr in LP for my own repo [01:36] I was going to freshen it up since jjesse actually wanted to try it out today [01:36] of docbook files [01:36] unless you used aptitude to install bzr, though, you'll get that error [01:36] really? it's paramiko? [01:37] unless os x has some funky way of installing [or includes] python2.4-paramiko [01:37] yeah [01:37] because without python2.4-paramiko, python don't grok no sftp. [01:37] I ran into this when I first started maintaining packages in bzr [01:38] i think paramiko is the only way to be able to publish via sftp at the moment [01:38] installing now :-) [01:38] no pony for you! [01:38] they could've put a better error messege like, "You dope, your stupid OS didn't include paramiko" [01:38] LaserJock: its all in the bzr wiki [01:39] no pony for you! [01:39] dude, definitely no pony. [01:39] ah, that's better [01:40] well, you figure when the make these packages that the include the neccesary deps :-) [01:40] shame on me [01:40] it doesnt assume you will publish in sftp for starters so [01:40] that's kinda dumb, IMNSHO [01:41] Recommends: python2.4-paramiko [01:41] ;) [01:41] ogra: right, which helps only if you are using aptitude or wait for edgy from what I've seen [01:41] ;) [01:42] I hate being stuck in OS X all the time [01:42] I wouldn't mind dual booting even [01:42] well, recommends also says "this package works without it, so we dont depend tightly on it" [01:42] You can simply use rsync to copy your branch to a web server, but using bzr push is the easiest way. Note that to use sftp, your need to install paramiko and pyCrypto. See Installation page in the wiki. [01:42] http://bazaar-vcs.org/QuickHackingWithBzr [01:42] LaserJock: ^^ [01:42] right, so you can do all the distributed revision control you want, you just can't get it off your box :-) [01:43] sure, with rsync :) [01:43] right, but the point is that bzr doesn't seem to really care about remote usage very much [01:43] troll all you want the bzr wiki sure needs organizational love though [01:43] hopefully it gets better, cause it really rocks [01:44] I'm no troll :-) [01:44] except when you use it with lp atm [01:44] and have 600+ revisions [01:44] then open up bzrk [01:44] heh [01:44] I just don't understand how I'm supposed to efficently use bzr for things that aren't local and have more than like 10 revisions [01:45] if you dont need to refer to past code, you don't need something that gives you all revisions i guess [01:48] hmm, well I have no idea what I just did to the doc team bzr repo, but it kinda worked, I think :-) [01:48] you imported the whole history? [01:48] heck no [01:48] I tried [01:49] but we are over 3000 commits and tailor barfed after like 100 [01:49] well it shouldn't be hard to create a new bzr mainline it just works [01:49] and it didn't seem to like the idea of starting at 2000 either [01:50] it doesnt make any sense too [01:50] with dapper's tailor? === jsgotangco wonders how the kernel was moved from bitkeeper to git [01:50] no, I downloaded it from the website [01:51] I know dapper's tailor is one package revision behind what's necessary to have it work with dapper's bzr [01:52] (d'oh!) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] hmm, so I did a bzr push and then on the server did bzr commit so now I have 2 commits for the same thing [01:52] I'm obviously missing something [01:53] oh wait, maybe not [01:53] it's just weird [01:53] welcome to decentralised vcs [01:53] Heya [01:53] its fun [01:53] crimsun: honestly, the more I use bzr the more I'm confused :-) === jsgotangco learned a lot on decentralised vcs with g-a-i and u-m [01:58] aaanyway, bzr rocks for these little projects I'm doing, it's just a pain in the put to be hauling around 200MB for the doc team repo [01:58] s/put/butt/ ;-) [01:58] ack, time for me to go home [01:58] now imagine several kernel trees. === LaserJock runs away === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === TalentedChimp [n=paul@125.240.170.130] has joined #edubuntu === TalentedChimp [n=paul@125.240.170.130] has joined #edubuntu === mhz sighs and wishes there was an e-Groupware in python and Php independant : \ === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@5-13-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [i=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] Hello edubuntu! Everyone's favorite rotund Canadian has arrived! [04:53] hi sbalneav [04:53] Hello hello! [04:55] hehehe [04:55] you are not my favorite candian [05:00] mhz: Celine Dion is? === bddebian hides [05:00] But I bet I'm your favorite ROTUND canadian :) [05:02] hehehe === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [05:20] hahaha === TalentedChimp [n=paul@125.240.170.130] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [07:10] can we sign 1.0.1 yeT? [07:14] ping jsgotangco / ogra [07:14] hello [07:14] lisa is now ubuntero [07:14] feel free to activate [07:14] thanks [07:16] cbx33: its done thanks === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi [07:17] i know :p [07:17] just got the mail [07:17] being husband and wife i think you should sign both of your keys === jsgotangco grins === cbx33 will be doing that later [07:18] although someone at my lug once laughed at me for saying that :p [07:18] WOW GL Runs SMOOOOOTH on my new dapper [07:18] XGL + Compiz too :D [07:19] yuck [07:19] I've never seen it run so good [07:19] fedora blows [07:20] what is a ubuntero? [07:20] signed the CoC [07:20] Ubuntero: Not yet [07:20] well that's ... funny. [07:21] basically someone who has signed the CoC [07:21] heh [07:21] why have you already signed it? [07:21] :p [07:21] what? surely not? gasp! [07:21] I'm core-dev. Kinda a prereq. [07:21] yeh swat i thougt [07:25] there. [07:25] I just had to sign 1.0.1 === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === mhz signed CoC long ago [07:30] and even translated CoC into spanish [07:30] but that was old version === mhz is now known as mhz_zzZZ [07:36] mhz_zzZZ: you're shown as 'Not Yet' too [07:36] ??? [07:36] bimberi: where? [07:36] heh [07:37] meh! me too! === jsgotangco will do it later [07:37] https://launchpad.net/people/mhz [07:38] mhz bimberi's right [07:38] i think version 1.0.1 of the CoC has been around for a while but it's only recent that signing it has been required to stay as an Ubuntero [07:39] lp should have aleterted people or it probably has [07:39] dunno [07:39] no dramas though can be fixed later [07:39] hmm, interesting [07:40] i don't recall === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] ... any notification [07:40] yeah, well, it is time to sign the 101 [07:40] but yes, no dramas :) [07:40] though, there should be a kind of announcement [07:40] maybe in Newsletter? [07:42] anyways...as in Mike Patton's words, "my life is falling to pieces, somebody put me together" [07:42] i gotta get some sleep [07:42] bye ayou all [07:49] me too... [07:49] good night === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-250-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === highvoltage sees at least two edubuntu specs approved :) [08:32] highvoltage, link to edgy specs pls? :) === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu [08:40] pygi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs [08:40] highvoltage, I wanted edgy specs, but found it, thanks ^_^ [08:40] pygi: i mean, https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-paris/+specs [08:40] ok :) === Zaire [n=foxfire@static24-72-92-91.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #edubuntu === RobinShepheard [n=robins@81.17.65.2] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire is now known as Zaire_inUT2k4 === sankar [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === Zaire_inUT2k4 is now known as Zaire [10:02] hi all [10:03] hi RobinShepheard === sankar is now known as sankarshan [10:03] hiya jsgotangco [10:03] how are you?? [10:08] can someone point me to information about time plans for the release of alpha/beta cd's for edgy if there is anything about?? [10:08] I have just done a search on the edubuntu wiki and can't see anything relevant [10:10] all I can find is a date of september 28th for beta release, will that be the first release?? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-234-127.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [11:06] RobinShepheard, I'll need to have a talk with you later today [11:06] pygi, ok, am I in trouble?? [11:06] heh [11:06] yes, you are [11:07] when would you like to talk?? [11:07] RobinShepheard, when I'm back :P [11:07] lol ok, any idea as to a rough time frame?? [11:08] no :P [11:08] ok === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [11:09] I will be popping out for lunch (30 mins) in about 2.5-3 hours and then leaving to go home in about 7hours, but anytime during that timescale is fine [11:09] no worries [11:11] RobinShepheard, I will post something to edu-dev list also [11:12] pygi, what about the chat?? [11:12] RobinShepheard, that will later :P [11:13] AS I said, gotta run now :) [11:13] ok see you later pygi === Vego [n=vegard@195.159.157.54] has joined #edubuntu === chrismo [n=chris@rdlax10-b226.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === perper [n=simenaf@193.71.119.207] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-229-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-229-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] pygi, ready when you are === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-229-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [12:43] hmm [12:43] what's done is done no more dramas i'd say [12:43] jsgotangco, I agree [12:44] I have tried to correct the situation as best as I can, and shall do my best to see that it doesn't happen again [12:45] I believe that I have made it clear in my emails that I am directly responsible and that no blame sits with anyone else [12:46] and that no slight was ment to anyone or any project [12:46] *meant [12:46] RobinShepheard, don't worry ^_^ [12:46] yep no worries [12:53] so am I still allowed to contribute to the handbook?? [12:53] RobinShepheard, 'fcorse ^_^ [12:53] ok I did just want to check [12:54] it was a fairly serious mistake [12:54] we all make mistakes, be shh ^_^ [12:54] ok [12:58] pygi, I notice you will be talking in Hungary in september, do you speak magyar?? [12:58] RobinShepheard, no :P [12:58] ahh so in english then [12:58] aha ^_^ Why, you from Hungary? [12:59] nahh, I have quite a lot of hungarian friends and love the country [01:00] and they do do a Very good firework display for st Istvans day [01:09] bbl friday night =) === Electryfier [n=Electryf@cm227-hs.europronet.ba] has joined #edubuntu [01:24] Hey, does anyone know how to turn source code into .deb installers? [01:24] Electryfier, please ask in #ubuntu-motu, this is the channel for edubuntu support [01:25] Ok === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === enkoptokaf [n=johnny@0x57346512.naenxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-252-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === chris_ [n=chris@rdlax11-b095.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Electryfier [n=chatzill@cm227-hs.europronet.ba] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] How do I move files/folders in terminal? [03:22] that is, via terminal [03:22] Howdy [03:22] mv [03:23] really? [03:23] ok [03:24] mv SourceFiles TargetDirectory [03:24] ok [03:24] ok [03:25] yw === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@nat-pool-bos.redhat.com] has joined #edubuntu === mhz can't help using WikiCamelCase [03:25] but how do I get root access, real root, because fakeroot don't work the way I need it [03:26] other than terminal [03:26] ogra, can u help [03:26] sudo mv foo bar [03:26] what [03:26] that is the command [03:26] ok === bluekuja_laptop [n=bluekuja@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] Well sudo mv [03:27] hello, I do not need that command [03:27] know it now [03:27] Electryfier: everytime you need 'root' privileges in Ubuntu, default command to start each line is 'sudo' [03:27] ok [03:28] this will require your user-admin password [03:28] Electryfier, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [03:28] thx [03:28] Electryfier: however, unless you do know what you are doing, i wouldn't recommend the use of 'root' [03:29] I know what I am doing [03:29] just need to follow instructions [03:29] yeah, it is just that the good thing about sudo is that the 'user' do stuff and so, the logs will always tell you who was the one making mistakes :D [03:30] k [03:30] gotta go [03:30] cya [03:30] ok === mhz crosses fingers Electryfier don't come back saying "I rm -rf /etc" or stuff [03:32] hehe [03:35] ogra: re my ideas of edubuntu latino (light desktop + spanish as default language).. Wouldn't it be better if we -people with special identified needs for a 700 MB CD with other language, or other things- could encourage others to adopt and cutomize edubuntu and keeping 'edubuntu core-skeleton'? Maybe having an irc classroom how-to session may help this purpose. [03:36] mhz, feel free to hold one [03:37] i have never customized an edubuntu Cd in my life [03:37] (or an ubuntu CD) [03:37] I mean, yes, one way of achieving that purpose is I get to make it work using dsslive + dapper skeleton. However, that is a 'non-ogra's way' [03:37] oh, it seems i may have wrong concepts then [03:37] well, then you should have a dsslive developer attending ;) [03:38] yeah, lol [03:38] i'll happily answer questions about the existing CD or about packages, but i have no clue about how to do what you want to do beyond the stuff thats written on the wiki about it [03:38] well, it seems i may have some wrong concepts. afaik, what you do is use ubuntu-skeleton + add a set of applications and artwork. Then build an iso. Is that right? [03:39] partially [03:39] i dont do it in a way that you could access [03:39] ahhhhh [03:39] you're better off with the customizing howto from the wiki [03:40] then, if not using dsslive approach, how do you picture I could work on edubuntu-latino? [03:40] mhz, http://lichota.net/~krzysiek/projects/ubuntu-livecd-customization/ [03:40] this way ^_^ [03:40] colin has a bzr repo of the debiancd scripts we use and his modifications ... [03:40] oh, ok, i'll keep reading [03:41] but that wont help you with the livefs building ... [03:41] thx, pygi and ogra [03:41] oh [03:41] crap [03:41] :) [03:41] mhz, : [03:41] :) [03:42] well, I have a meeting with the guys who would help in Chile first. Yeah, we all will read the info suggested so far [03:43] thx, guys === mhz gotta take a shower and leave [03:43] bye === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:06] Morning all! === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] sbalneav, scottie !!!!!!!!!!!1 [04:08] Hey ogra!!!! [04:08] How's it going? [04:09] well, i just read the notes of klaus knopper on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD [04:09] apart from that i postponed my driving to tomorrow [04:09] have nearly all merges done ... [04:10] havent heard back from my last unapproved spec ... [04:10] and will buy a voip headset today :) [04:12] Awesomeness. [04:13] i'm pondering to port the knopper-terminalserver to use zenity so we could put it in universe , sounds helpful [04:14] ... it uses dialog+Xdialog, it can be run "graphically" in textmode as well as in X. It's basically a configuration frontend for pxelinux, TFTP, DHCP and NFS ... [04:15] I've used Xdialog before. Zenity should be a simple "search and replace" substitute. [04:15] yep [04:18] hey, I've got a question. Ever hear of cmake? It's a much simpler replacement for autotools. Does debian/ubuntu have a requirement that the packaging stuff MUST be done with auto*? Or is it configurable to the point where if there's a different meta-builder used, it can adapt. And more to the point, would this fall within Ubuntu guidelines? [04:19] cmake is only in universe, so nothing in main can use it ... unless its moved to main [04:19] dunno why its not in main though === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-230-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:21] sbalneav, whats your plan with lp_server ? lpd is dead upstram afaik ... [04:23] wouldnt it be better to use cups ? or do you consider that to bloated [04:23] right. Well, I suppose what should happen is I should package it up, so that it could be an installable package. It's a standalone program, it just basically emulates an hp print server [04:23] ugh, no, cups is too huge. [04:23] Cups can TALK to lp_server, though. [04:23] well, lpd wont get updates or security fixes if nobody maintains it [04:24] lp_server doesn't use lpd, afaik [04:24] oh, i thought it was derived from lpd ... [04:24] no, not at all. [04:24] then just ignore me :) [04:24] I'd never do that. [04:25] well, if i ask silly questions, youre allowed to ;) [04:26] Dude, if we're keeping track of silly questions, I think I'm ahead of you by several orders of magnitude, so I think you're allowed a few now and then. [04:26] heh [04:27] Lets talk about lp_server as well on monday, as that would be an excellent little project to get my feet wet in the packaging universe. [04:27] yeah [04:27] Eventually I should become a motu as well. [04:27] especially it would move one thing we have to compile out of the ltsp package :) [04:27] When I become MOTU, do I get a cape and thor's hammer? [04:27] we'll make you a motu, dont worry :) [04:28] sure [04:28] we all have that :) [04:28] Excellent. === ogra produce some rolling background thunder with the hammer hidden behind his chair [04:29] That would be called Mjolnir, if my Norse mythology serves me correctly :) [04:29] Mjolnir == hammer hidden behind chair ? === sbalneav has a mental image if ogra with his cape and long hair flowing majestically in the wind, smiting enemies with his hammer. [04:30] That was the name of the hammer, I think. [04:30] lol [04:30] hold on.. [04:30] ah [04:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir [04:31] capes are a bad thing, haven't you seen the incredibles [04:32] Instead of smiting enemies, I think I should have said smiting bugs. [04:32] More apt, if I may use the pun. [04:33] heh === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-185.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-255-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ is now known as pygi === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [05:07] hello [05:09] Heya jsgotangco === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [05:37] Hello all [05:37] Hello Petaris [05:38] to get an ltsp server running is there something speacial I have to choose durring install? === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [05:40] it seems to me last time I installed it "just worked" but this time around its is doing anything but [05:40] I've decided to wipe the install and try again [05:40] Do I want the desktop cd or the install cd? [05:41] I would think install right? [05:41] thats the one I downloaded for the installation last time === Electryfier [n=Electryf@cm238-hs2.europronet.ba] has joined #edubuntu [05:43] Petaris, thats fine ... se the link from the channel topic [05:44] which one? [05:44] the edubuntu.org? [05:44] well, the one that says you should read it before installing :) [05:44] does anyone know where to get makeinfo [05:44] Electryfier, please [05:45] k [05:45] ogra: ahh, I'm allready reading it [05:45] *again [05:45] could you please ask such questions in a dedicated devel channel [05:45] ok [05:45] (or general support channel) [05:46] ok [05:46] k [05:46] ogra: anything speacial I have to do for installing an amd64 server with support for i386 clients? [05:47] Petaris, wipe the amd64 client root after install and run sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 [05:47] ogra: ok, and do you know if you can run the flash plugin as a local app on the clients? [05:47] nope [05:47] I know it doesn't work on amd64 [05:48] we dont support local apps at all yet [05:48] bugger [05:48] you can run firefox in a chroot on the server [05:48] hrm [05:48] there are howtos on the web how to set that up [05:49] Is there something that is preventing local apps from working? [05:49] yes, a implementation :) [05:49] don't you just chroot into the /opt/ltsp/i386 and apt-get the program? [05:50] hrm [05:50] yes [05:50] yes? [05:50] then what is there to not work? [05:50] sure, thats how you install it ... [05:50] I'm not trying to be troublesome just curious [05:50] ahh [05:50] ok [05:50] installing it is no problem :) [05:50] cool [05:51] you need to execute it in a safe way *in* th eusers session on the server [05:51] so if I install ff + the flash plugin as local apps I can get around the amd64 issue with flash [05:52] you can indeed set it up yourself ... by installing a ssh server in the client chroot and running a script that ssh's into the client from the users session and executes firefox [05:52] ogra: how so? [05:52] ahh [05:52] but thats a bunch of work [05:52] ok [05:52] yeah, sounds resource heavy too [05:52] hrm, there must be a better way to do this [05:53] Do you know if local apps are part of Mue Kow? [05:53] I can't remember what Jim said [05:54] we *are* mue cow :) [05:54] and indeed local apps are planned to be implemented eventually [05:55] ogra: ok [05:55] hrm [05:55] it is planned that we merge our muecow implementation with ltsp upstream within the next two releases [05:55] so all the stuff ltsp.org has will enter our implementation one or the other way [05:55] and vice versy [05:55] *versa [05:56] cool [05:56] profit [05:56] I can't wait for the new local devices stuff and ltspfs [05:56] so its likely that from edgy+2 on muecow owont exist anymore but ltsp-5 will *be* muecow for all distros [06:00] ok [06:03] ogra: would it be possible to install alsa in the client chroot? [06:03] or would that not work [06:03] its already installed :) [06:04] cool [06:04] our client chroot is a ubuntu base system ... [06:04] with xserver and ldm added ... [06:04] so sound can be done locally on the clients then? [06:04] sure [06:04] sweet [06:04] just make sure to enable it in the lts.conf ... === Yagisan [n=jamie@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [06:05] ogra: how, is it just alsa = true or something? [06:05] SOUND=True [06:05] (mind the capitalization :) [06:05] right [06:06] its documented on the edubuntu.org homepage somewhere [06:06] but I thought you had to specify a sound daemon or something [06:06] nope [06:06] eg, esd [06:06] esd is the default [06:06] cool [06:06] but if your using alsa why would yoiu use esd? [06:06] it should just work [06:06] oh, wait [06:06] duh [06:07] because alsa is no sounddaemon but a driver framework [06:07] right [06:07] you need to transfer the sound through the net ... that can only be done by a souddaemon [06:07] ahh [06:07] ok [06:07] we have support for nasd included, but esd is the default [06:08] at some point phonon will replace esd [06:08] (i think sbalneav is working on that) [06:08] more KDE stuff !!! [06:08] oh, with gstreamer or the like [06:08] I would like to see something that works with everything [06:09] the problem with arts, esd, etc is that they only work really well with the desktop they were made for [06:10] well, artsd doesn't work well with anything but thats another rant ;) === jsgotangco is happy to announce that he will be involved with an edubuntu deployment for a local TV foundation here in the coming months [06:10] YAY !! [06:11] pygi, KDE ? [06:11] ogra: its BIG [06:11] jsgotangco, WOW ! [06:11] pygi, err, right, i mean the successor of polypaudio ... its not called phonon, but has a similar strange name [06:11] ogra, I am talking rubbish, ignore me :P [06:12] jsgotangco: Awesome, congrats [06:12] its actually a nationwide project [06:12] pygi, no youre righrt === bddebian is stuck in MS world :'-( [06:12] in other news, i can now see my house in google earth [06:13] ogra, ah, if you say so ^_^ [06:13] bddebian: That sucks [06:14] Petaris: Aye but it pays the bills [06:14] jsgotangco, cheers! [06:14] ogra: do you have to use a sound daemon with local apps too? Or could they directly talk to alsa? [06:14] rodarvus: hi rodrigo! [06:15] Petaris, they could use alsa directly ... [06:15] Petaris, we support dmix ... [06:15] ogra: hrmmmmmm, that sounds like something that could be played with [06:16] ogra: puls [06:16] pulse [06:16] yeah ! [06:16] pulse [06:16] ogra: is there anyway to use the xfce mixer? [06:16] there isnt even a way to use the gnome mixer yet :) [06:16] afaik pulse shall address that too [06:16] ok [06:16] What is pulse? [06:17] ogra, right, that is not KDE stuff!!! [06:17] rodarvus: its basically a program by the foundation to equip far flung public schools with computers and net connectivity and edubuntu is the favored system [06:18] \o/ [06:19] jsgotangco, great stuff :) [06:20] ironically, the rival network has its own foundation as well with a similar program but has MS as a partner i find it very funny [06:21] jsgotangco: I found my house in google maps. That was rather cool === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-255-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:21] Yagisan: Me too [06:21] Yagisan: well its the first time manila got mapped in google [06:21] looked for the north korean missile test site too, but it wasn't high enough resolution pics [06:21] before its just a blur [06:22] Yagisan: haha, Me too === pygi_ is now known as pygi [06:22] seoul is rather clear in google though [06:22] so is Washington DC [06:22] tokyo isn't. needs a few more pics [06:22] Yagisan: strange, you had your key signed in UDU, we could have met? [06:23] I was able to find my in-laws house in the middle of Montana :/ [06:23] jsgotangco: perhaps, but I didn't sign your key === Petaris waits for pyongyang to use google maps api as a guidance system [06:23] jsgotangco: remember anyone there *without* a laptop ? [06:24] there was news here today about the marines raiding suspected rebel soldiers and said they used a satellite system..deep inside i thought they just used google earth [06:24] no [06:24] but i could remember faces easily [06:24] are you tall, with glasses and dark hair === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:24] no [06:24] ok are you hairless [06:25] (on top) [06:25] no glasses, brown hair (with natural blonde streak in summer) [06:25] very skiney [06:25] nose that looks like it's been broken [06:25] (it has a few times) [06:26] show me a pic and i'll remember if i saw you [06:26] jsgotangco: you meet pitti ? [06:26] many times [06:26] at UDU ? [06:26] Yagisan: i was at UDU [06:26] if so, you may have met me, as all my work was with pitti === Yagisan lloking for a pic === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-255-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:29] jsgotangco: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/20060621_Jamie_Jones_ID_Photo_120x160.jpg [06:29] ah! yes! i did see you [06:29] im pretty sure you got captured in my camera somewhere [06:30] jsgotangco: I'm afraid I would not remember your face :( [06:30] no worries [06:30] just look at p.u.c [06:31] ? [06:31] err planet.ubuntu.com [06:33] i did meet some interesting aussies though [06:33] like thoreaupeutic [06:45] jsgotangco: I found you! you are vaguely familar [06:46] actually im only one of 2 asians during UDU [06:46] the other one was colin charles [07:22] jsgotangco: what's your keyid ? [07:23] gpg? [07:23] yep === Yagisan is curious about the trust path from me to you [07:25] 9E379FC6 [07:25] no trust at all [07:25] :-) [07:26] hah [07:26] heh. It goes via my old key [07:27] jsgotangco: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=4B6E7209&TO=9E379FC6&PATHS=trust+paths === jsgotangco purges trust with LaserJock [07:27] ah from BjornT === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [07:34] bddebian !! the man that can solve any problem. How are you ? === bddebian looks around for another bddebian === Rondom [n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94ab1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp2.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [08:28] hi everyone! [08:29] hi EmxBA [08:29] what's up in here? i wasn't online *a lot* [08:32] hmm, not really sure [08:32] people hanging out, working, etc. [08:32] got lots of spec work done for Edgy [08:33] anything *really* special, except cookbook? [08:36] here are some specs to look at: https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] ok [08:37] the "approved" ones are cool === nyxem [n=denis___@adslvi187.tel.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=emx@as58-ob1.dlp2.bih.net.ba] has left #edubuntu [] === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ACFDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:43] hi ogra_ === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu === baconbacon [n=bacon@modemcable020.207-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #edubuntu === hareem [n=hareem@toronto-HSE-ppp4078228.sympatico.ca] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] hi i just installed edubuntu. How can i setup the ltsp users [09:59] can some one help me [09:59] check http://www.edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig [10:00] or http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted === baconbacon [n=bacon@modemcable020.207-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [10:18] hi everybody [10:19] !! hi !! [10:19] I know nothing about ! hi !! [10:19] hi pygi [10:20] I feel like doing some work for edubuntu atm [10:20] it's been a long time since I last did anything actively here... [10:23] i got the thin clients working ok. But how can i control them from the server. Like remotely log them off [10:23] later === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has left #edubuntu ["Out"] [10:27] hey how can we control the thin clients that connect to us [10:28] hareem: there is no application that can do this yet [10:28] then how can i limit their usage time [10:28] hareem, install student-control-panel from universe [10:28] student-control-panel might help some but I'm not sure what all it can do right now [10:28] doh [10:28] it has no time options, but you can kick them out [10:29] (patches for a timeout tool gracefully accepted ;) ) [10:29] how can i setup the student control panel [10:29] install it with synaptic (the package manager) from universe [10:30] it will show up in your administration menu [10:32] ogra_: I saw an interesing email on the sabayon thread [10:32] about ? [10:32] somebody asked what happens if you use alacarte out of the menu [10:33] since it uses xnest you won't have alacarte to turn alacarte back on [10:33] if you remove alacarte from the menu using alacarte? [10:33] right [10:33] so you fire up your xnest and use alacarte to edit the menu [10:34] but one of the things you might want to take out of the menu is the ability to edit the menu [10:34] but once you've done that and saved the profile [10:34] then when you go to edit it again, no alacarte [10:34] um, right click on the menu and choose edit menus :P [10:35] on the panel applet, i mean [10:35] doesnt the profile offer this ugly list with checkboxes once you have saved the profile ? [10:35] you should be able to revert it there [10:35] hmm, maybe [10:35] I'll have to check that [10:35] but it was an interesting though [10:35] t [10:35] i think there is such a thing like a step by step log [10:35] you could alway edit the profile manually [10:35] but i'm not sure [10:36] but that isn't very elegant [10:36] yep [10:36] anyway it was an interesting email because the person was wanting to do a very similar thing to what we want to do [10:37] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sabayon-list/2006-June/msg00006.html [10:37] oh, is that DanielC [10:38] doh, wrong email [10:47] ah, this is the email: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sabayon-list/2006-March/msg00001.html === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:49] evenin everyone [10:50] hi cbx33 [10:50] hey lucasvo [10:50] long time no see [10:52] yeah === lucasvo is just learning python and django (www.djangoproject.ocm [10:52] *com) [10:53] django [10:53] what's that? [10:53] cbx33: a webframework [10:53] ah cool [10:53] like ruby on rails can do? [10:53] *very* powerfull [10:53] cbx33, better then ruby on rails !!! [10:53] cbx33: yeah [10:53] oooh [10:53] i only glanced t ruby and thought wow this is quite cool [10:54] so it must be amazing [10:54] cbx33, take [10:54] hi cbx33 [10:54] hey LaserJock [10:55] cbx33, ask Lisa what she thinks about it pls? ^_^ [10:55] I like it [10:55] who did it? [10:55] Eva ^_^ [10:55] pygi: what are you talking about ? :) [10:56] lucasvo, the drugs I just sold to cbx33 ^_^ === lucasvo wants to look at it as well [10:56] baah [10:56] I had plenty of drugs the last two weeks [10:56] cbx33, one of my friends from London [10:56] ah wicked [10:56] I love it [10:56] it looks kinda manga-esqe with some pop art thrown in [10:57] nice, care to ask lisa to comment? ^_^ [10:57] We will also get 3 teddy bears holding hands =P [10:57] !! :) [10:57] hehe nice [10:57] I know nothing about ! :) [10:57] I'll ask her [10:57] ubotu, you know nothing about nothing [10:57] I know nothing about you know nothing about nothing [10:58] cbx33, thanks ^_^ ask her about the teddies too :P [10:58] (idea, considering she's leader now) [11:00] and thanks ^_^ [11:08] pygi: you know django? [11:08] I know nothing ^_^ [11:25] pygi, lisa said she loves it..... [11:25] bring it on :p [11:25] brb === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:45] cbx33, nice ^_^ === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=th1a@66-78-210-130.sandiego.smartcity.com] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-249-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu