[12:12] <pygi> night
[01:53] <bddebian> Hello
[01:59] <nixternal> bo
[01:59] <nixternal> o
[02:00] <bddebian> Heh, heya nixternal
[02:00] <nixternal> well hello there
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:56] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: moin
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying|away 
[03:58] <imbrandon> heya freeflying|away
[03:58] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: hi
[04:29] <imbrandon> !seen riddell
[04:29] <ubotu> I last saw Riddell (i=jr@kde/jriddell) 1h 42m 55s ago, quiting: No route to host
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !seen riddell
[04:43] <Hobbsee> !seen riddelll
[04:43] <ubotu> I last saw Riddell (i=jr@kde/jriddell) 1h 56m 22s ago, quiting: No route to host
[04:43] <ubotu> I last saw Riddelll (n=jr@82.138.218.202) 9h 30m 21s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[04:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he's asleep
[04:44] <imbrandon> heheh noticed
[04:44] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:10] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[06:11] <nixternal> you gonna be at the meeting on the 17th?
[06:11] <nixternal> and at the CC on the 11th?
[06:12] <crimsun> .oO( that's a bit ... odd to be asking a CC member for support? )
[06:13] <nixternal> hehe
[06:13] <nixternal> what happened to the forums
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they died
[06:23] <nixternal> they are tied into ubuntu.com now
[06:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: me?  kubuntu meeting on the 17th?  yeah.  CC at teh 11th?  what time?
[06:23] <nixternal> so that means my kubuntu theme is gone ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> 20:00 utc
[06:38] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: they still seem to work here 
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: welcome back
[07:27] <nixternal> i see edgy dist-upgrade breaks a lot of stuff on the lappy
[07:27] <imbrandon> all mine dissapeared but one
[07:28] <nixternal> wow
[07:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they're breaking x atm
[07:28] <imbrandon> nixternal, edgy dist-upgrade breaks alot of things peroid
[07:28] <crimsun> what the
[07:28] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sorry, just testing new stuff
[07:28] <nixternal> your script works
[07:28] <nixternal> now let me have a copy
[07:28] <imbrandon> nixternal, nightly konvo builds
[07:28] <nixternal> so i don't have to waste time doin' it
[07:28] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i was guessing this was the quietest channel to test on
[07:28] <nixternal> where is my konvo build?
[07:29] <nixternal> ahhh..you are using the buttons in the top right hand corner?
[07:29] <imbrandon> nixternal, i'll post them soon ( need to talk to Sho_ too )
[07:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah
[07:29] <nixternal> i removed those
[07:29] <nixternal> lol
[07:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sho_ went to sleep
[07:29] <imbrandon> top right ? 
[07:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: doesnt seem to break anything huge.
[07:29] <nixternal> so did imbrandon obviously
[07:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i seen , he should be back online before i goto bed
[07:29] <Hobbsee> well that still works.
[07:30] <imbrandon> wth
[07:30] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: was testing, see the quit message.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i was going to test +i
[07:30] <imbrandon> ??
[07:30] <nixternal> [00:30]  <-- imbrandon has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " testing.  rejoin soon").
[07:30] <nixternal> [00:30]  <Hobbsee> well that still works.
[07:30] <imbrandon> i dident get a quit message
[07:30] <nixternal> lol
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's cos i removed you.
[07:30] <imbrandon> lol
[07:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: now stay removed :P
[07:30] <imbrandon> doh
[07:30] <nixternal> haha
[07:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice, that works too now :)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> right, that's op onl
[07:31] <Hobbsee> y
[07:31] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, join #buntudot
[07:31] <imbrandon> lol
[07:31] <imbrandon> lets get this outa here
[07:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:32] <nixternal> ;)
[07:32] <nixternal> arg
[07:33] <nixternal> Hobbsee: quit ownin' me ;)
[07:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh.  unless i say otherwise, feel free to rejoin
[07:34] <Hobbsee> and i say such things in my remove message, which you should see in your server window.
[07:36] <seaLne> Riddell: i'm going to LRL
[08:10] <Hobbsee> good bot.   *kills irssi window in the background*
[08:10] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[08:10] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying :)
[08:11] <freeflying> Hobbsee: weekend coming :)
[08:11] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:11] <Hobbsee> i'm working this weekend.
[08:11] <freeflying> hehe
[08:12] <Hobbsee> 8 hours or something.  pathetic.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i should check if i've payed this bill.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> seeing as it now is lovely and red and says "OVERDUE"
[08:14] <\sh> moins
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[08:15] <freeflying> hey \sh 
[08:15] <Hobbsee> crud, i havent.
[08:36] <seaLne> does anyone get Bug #52142 i don't
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52142 in kubuntu-meta "Screensaver does not work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52142
[08:42] <Hobbsee> seaLne: which kde?
[08:42] <\sh> konversation will hit the archive soon
[08:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ah yeah, that.  Riddell got the patch and built the edgy ones with it, but i dont think he rebuilt the dapper ones.
[08:46] <freeflying> \sh: how to sync from sid now? need file bug for it ?
[08:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes
[08:47] <freeflying> Hobbsee: any example?
[08:47] <Hobbsee> search for MoM 
[08:47] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thx
[08:51] <crimsun> freeflying: file a bug against the source package entitled "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync sourcepackage-version from Debian Sid". In the text entry, link to MoM's REPORT, and say it's Ok to override Ubuntu changes. Then subscribe (don't assign to) ubuntu-archive.
[08:52] <freeflying> crimsun: thx
[08:53] <Hobbsee> seaLne: leave that one to me - that screensaver one
[08:54] <crimsun> freeflying: e.g., https://launchpad.net/bugs/52073
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52073 in zhcon "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync zhcon 1:0.2.6-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Fix released]  
[08:54] <freeflying> crimsun: got it, thx
[08:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: did we ever figure out what group we have to be in to change bugs from untriaged into something else?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[09:02] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i have screensaver fine in dapper, yeah let me know if you find out about triaged
[09:03] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it certainly didnt *use* to work, and im' not sure that those were ever rebuilt
[09:03] <Hobbsee> seaLne: is this on dapper, 3.5.3?  or edgy?
[09:03] <seaLne> dapper, 3.5.3
[09:03] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:04] <seaLne> ah no wait it might be kpowersave doing it on this laptop
[09:04] <seaLne> yeah i don't have screensaver set
[09:05] <seaLne> so you are probably right then
[09:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it's still there
[09:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i'll poke Riddell over it, i did last time.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> ah what the hell, i think i'll subscribe to all of it.
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hi Lure 
[09:30] <Hobbsee> seaLne: are you still bug triaging?
[09:32] <seaLne> is that an in general question or do you mean atm?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: at the moment, yah
[09:33] <Hobbsee> *yeah
[09:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i just found what group you have to be in to set the severity too
[09:34] <seaLne> ah ok your question makes more sense now, in that case yeah i should probably be in it
[09:34] <crimsun> (but we've been saying ubuntu-qa for a month or so now...)
[09:34] <seaLne> being able to change from untriaged would at least be usefull
[09:35] <seaLne> altho i'm a bit unsure what the point of that level is
[09:35] <crimsun> that's Status
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: you need to be part of ubuntu-qa
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: poke dholbach, and he'll be able to approve you
[09:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'd only heard that it was included in bug squashers
[09:36] <seaLne> are we not talking about the importance field just now?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> seaLne: we are.  
[09:37] <Hobbsee> at least, that's what i'm talking about :P
[09:37] <seaLne> 08:35 < crimsun> that's Status
[09:38] <crimsun> untriaged is not Importance
[09:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: untriaged *is* importance
[09:38] <Hobbsee> untriaged is *not* status.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: go look :P
[09:38] <crimsun> huh? the terms have changed again?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yep
[09:38] <crimsun> arghAodls
[09:38] <Hobbsee> hahaaha
[09:38] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:44] <\sh>  kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libarts1-dev (>= 1.5.0) but it is not going to be installed
[09:44] <\sh>                 Depends: libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.5) but it is not going to be installed
[09:44] <\sh>                 Depends: libavahi-qt3-dev (>= 0.4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:44] <\sh> hmmm
[09:45] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, it's broken.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> it's broken with libxft, iirc - libxft-dev isnt installable.
[09:49] <crimsun> xft hasn't been transitioned
[09:49] <crimsun> (src:libxft -> src:xft)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: does bug 32939 still exist?
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32939 in konversation "konversation does not appear internationalized" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32939
[10:01] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: plz colse it 
[10:02] <crimsun> reject / fix released?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: will do
[10:02] <Hobbsee> crimsun: fix released, yeah
[10:02] <crimsun> ok
[10:02] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: thx
[10:04] <Hobbsee> nice, no open bugs in konvi :)
[10:06] <\sh> Hobbsee: kk
[10:06] <Hobbsee> well, not really, anyway :)
[11:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: you probably know already, but konversation FTBFS due to broken X.
[11:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: yepp, but actually is in the archive
[11:24] <\sh> Hobbsee: I didn't update my pbuilder env...so I can test if it would build with a working X ;)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> \sh: hehe, that's what i was doing for a while too, until i stupidly upgraded.
[11:25] <crimsun> yeah, everyone's screaming about X being broken
[11:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: you weren't there for breezy, when for weeks nothing build correctly because of the xorg transition 
[11:26] <Hobbsee> \sh: true...ish
[11:26] <Hobbsee> no, wait, for breezy
[11:26] <Hobbsee> no, you're right
[11:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: pong
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i found some interesting stuff in the bug reports - some fixes
[11:27] <crimsun> \sh: heh, we're still carrying those changelog entries :)
[11:27] <Riddell> sounds good
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Can we ship gdb by default?  it's in main, and it's constantly used in kcrash
[11:27] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/36545
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36545 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu Flight 5: Cannot backtrace in Crash Handler" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Get dapper kde 3.5.3 packages rebuilt with screensaver patch, so it works.  Patch attached to bug:
[11:27] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/52142
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52142 in kdelibs "Screensaver does not work" [Unknown,Unknown]  
[11:28] <Riddell> we did have gdb for hoary but it disappeared.  we'd need to see how much room it took up
[11:29] <Riddell> I don't have time to rebuild dapper packages
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you're going to ship kcrash as part of kde, it probably makes sense to have it in, if there's room :P
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does every single package have to be rebuilt, or just the one that the patch applies to?
[11:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just the ones the patch applies s
[11:30] <Riddell> to
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, and if one of us builds it, will you stick it up on kubuntu.org?  ie, do you have time to do that much?
[11:31] <seaLne> wouldn't be signed
[11:33] <imbrandon> seaLne, he can sign the archive with the ARCHIVE script, the package would just be signed by someone else
[11:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hi apokryphos 
[11:37] <apokryphos> heya Hobbsee
[11:37] <imbrandon> heya apokryphos
[11:37] <apokryphos> hi 8)
[11:40] <Riddell> it's more a question of being able to trust the packages, it's very easy to make mistakes
[11:40] <Riddell> and I don't know of anyone with all three architectures
[11:41] <imbrandon> thus i'll leave it to Riddell ;)
[11:41] <seaLne> if anyone *here* is desperate to buy a kubuntu tshirt they can pay paypal @kubuntustuff.org 15.50saying in the comment what size tshirt they want small=36" medium=40" large=44" 
[11:41] <imbrandon> seaLne, i'
[11:42] <imbrandon> i'll grab one but not this eve, will be after i sleep and wakeup
[11:42] <Riddell> 36" what?
[11:42] <imbrandon> if thats cool
[11:42] <imbrandon> Riddell, chest probbly
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fair enough.   i thought that's why they created debdiff - so it was easy to check.    and the patch is directly from kde.  oh well.
[11:42] <seaLne> chest size like the circuferance
[11:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not the source but the binary, the chroot/pbuilder has to be exactly the same as the one the other packages used
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right
[11:43] <Hobbsee> s/debdiff/diff
[11:44] <Riddell> you can't diff a binary package :)
[11:44] <seaLne> paypal don't make it easy to fully setup a merchant type account
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yeah.  oops, i'm getting it all backwards :P
[11:58] <cain__> chz 
[12:02] <Riddell> seaLne: are you charging the same for international delivery as for UK?
[12:03] <seaLne> yes
[12:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping?
[12:04] <seaLne> so you would be subsidising Hobbsee if she buys one :) its far simpler
[12:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: unping, dont mind
[12:04] <imbrandon> he's asleep
[12:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i misread anyway
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: heh
[12:06] <Hobbsee> for not having to subsidise me
[12:06] <seaLne> even the small is too big?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: likely.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:07] <Hobbsee> it doesnt matter
[12:08] <seaLne> because you wouldn't have bought one anyway? /me sulks
[12:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:08] <Hobbsee> no, i have no credit card.
[12:09] <seaLne> ah ofcourse
[12:09] <Riddell> well if I get canonical to buy some then hobbsee can get one next time she does a kubuntu exhibition stand
[12:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:10] <seaLne> Riddell: you saw my comment earlier about LRL?
[12:11] <Riddell> seaLne: nope
[12:11] <seaLne> i'm going to it
[12:12] <seaLne> what is the plan for the stall, i'm happy to help
[12:12] <Riddell> rocking
[12:12] <Riddell> well it's a KDE/kubuntu stall
[12:12] <Hobbsee> seaLne: what's LRL?
[12:12] <Riddell> with me, Ben Lamb and someone else
[12:13] <seaLne> you noticed the interesting timing on the sunday where your talk is at the same time as the ubuntu-uk bof?
[12:13] <Riddell> I can't remember who the other person is just now
[12:13] <seaLne> Hobbsee: lugradio.org/live
[12:13] <Riddell> not looked at timings
[12:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ah okay
[12:14] <hunger> Is there any chance to get qt4 rebuild with the new X?
[12:14] <Riddell> hunger: why does it need it?
[12:14] <hunger> Riddell: I can not upgrade X without removing libqt4.
[12:15] <Riddell> hunger: I'll take a look at that
[12:15] <hunger> Riddell: apt-get install x11-common wants to remove libqt4-debug-dev libqt4-dev libxft-dev qt4-designer
[12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: so we can sell kubuntu t-shirts there and give out kubuntu CDs
[12:16] <seaLne> sounds good
[12:27] <toma> moguh
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi toma.  did rsibreak ever get backported?
[12:28] <Riddell> 5555
[12:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: can you give me a short hint where konversation fixed 34992
[12:28] <toma> Hobbsee: hi, not oficially no
[12:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: upstream?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> bug 34992
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34992 in kdenetwork "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34992
[12:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: url of wbesvn or so
[12:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, latest konversation builds have it fixed.  imbrandon's got a repo of nightly builds that we're testing out
[12:29] <Hobbsee> oh gosh.  i used to, but i dont have it any more on hand.
[12:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: is it in websvn.kde.org?
[12:29] <\sh> extragear or so?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: i'm sure of it, give me a sec to look
[12:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: cool thx
[12:30] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's  listed as fixed in svn in the upstream bug, do you want the websvn bit for it?
[12:30] <\sh> oh boy, we are less then a week from product launch and I'm doing four jobs at the same time
[12:30] <imbrandon> extragear-network/konversation
[12:30] <\sh> Hobbsee: upstream bts url is enough :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's linked to the bug, FYI.
[12:31] <\sh> oh well, I'm blind
[12:31] <toma> Hobbsee: is there a channel were i can polity scream at someone to do it?
[12:31] <Riddell> toma: to do the backport?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127510
[12:32] <toma> Riddell: yes
[12:32] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 127510 in general "Name with ampersand appears with underscore in menus" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[12:32] <imbrandon> toma, you can file a backport request on LP
[12:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: search the launchpad bug page for  kde-bugs #127510  [RESOLVED FIXED]   (edit)
[12:32] <toma> bug 50832
[12:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's on the right hand side, about half way down
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50832 in rsibreak "Please backport 0.7.1 from edgy to dapper" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50832
[12:32] <Riddell> toma: you need to check that it builds on a dapper pbuilder then file a bug requesting it and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[12:33] <toma> ok, i assigned it to ubuntu-backports
[12:33] <Hobbsee> toma: -archive or -backports?
[12:33] <Riddell> toma: hmm, maybe that's the correct way
[12:33] <\sh> oh well, if they only would write the files touched by this bug
[12:34] <toma> it builds fine, allee serves it from his repository for now
[12:34] <Riddell> needs to be filed on  http://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bugs
[12:34] <toma> it is the second one in the list
[12:36] <Riddell> is anything being backported?
[12:39] <imbrandon> why is keybuk saying he has no idea how to backport on all the requests ?
[12:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: because he's new to soyuz and it's probably not implemented in soyuz yet
[12:41] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:41] <Riddell> toma: I recommend you e-mail jdong and ask if backports are possible or if everyone just needs to wait for soyuz to implement them
[12:42] <toma> Riddell: okido, will do that
[12:44] <Riddell> looking at the rsi bug report it looks like he just checks it and hopes ubuntu-archive will do it
[12:44] <Riddell> so I'd guess we need to wait for infinity to come back from holiday at the least
[12:44] <imbrandon> yea
[12:44] <imbrandon> looks like it lol
[12:46] <imbrandon> ohh btw Riddell i snagged your ARCHIVE script from kubuntu.org and modified it a bit for my own use, hope ya dont mind
[12:46] <Riddell> sure, go ahead
[12:46] <\sh> hmmm..peter simonsson is who on irc?
[12:46] <Riddell> \sh: never heard of him
[12:47] <\sh> ------- Additional Comment #2 From Peter Simonsson 2006-06-26 15:45 -------  
[12:47] <\sh> Fixed in svn trunk... will be in 0.20 
[12:47] <\sh> konversation hacker
[12:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: it really is fixed.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> \sh: and he's in #konversation
[12:48] <Hobbsee> psn
[12:49] <\sh> Hobbsee: yes, but I need the file where he fixed it, to get the patch ready
[12:49] <Riddell> \sh: try looking in websvn
[12:50] <Riddell> \sh: he's psn
[12:50] <\sh> Riddell: no mentioning of the bugnumber
[12:50] <\sh> I'm on it with psn
[01:00] <\sh> patched and fixed
[01:08] <Riddell> \sh: is python-qt4 to be synced from debian?
[01:08] <\sh> hmmm...it should be synced automagically, no?
[01:08] <\sh> hmm..no it was NEW to debian
[01:09] <\sh> so we don't even know about it, or keybuk changed the sync script
[01:09] <Riddell> good point, I'm not sure
[01:10] <\sh> In case we don't know about it, I'll file a sync request with mentioning that it is NEW to ubuntu
[01:10] <\sh> against which package though ;)
[01:12] <pygi> againt qt4 perhaps? :P
[01:12] <\sh> no
[01:42] <toma> Riddell: codeine is accepted a few days back in debian unstable. Will edgy pick that newer version up? Or do i need to enter a sync request?
[01:42] <toma> it was not in debian before, but it was already in kubuntu.
[01:43] <Riddell> version in ubuntu has 1.0-0ubuntu1 number which means it'll need to be requested
[01:43] <Riddell> file a sycn request on codeine and subcribe ubuntu-archive
[01:43] <toma> okido
[01:49] <toma> feels good to be doing something...
[01:51] <Riddell> plenty more sync waiting for you to attend to them
[02:20] <toma> Riddell: should that be reassigned back to -archive?
[02:22] <Riddell> toma: what?
[02:22] <toma> the codeine sync br
[02:23] <Riddell> toma: ubuntu-archive is subsribed
[02:23] <Riddell> that's all that's needed
[02:24] <toma> ok
[02:29] <imbrandon> what is that dpkg compare versions syntax again ?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what, for a merge?
[02:30] <imbrandon> no just to compare two version numbers
[02:30] <Hobbsee> debdiff whatever*.dsc > foo.debdiff?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> that what you're meaning?
[02:30] <imbrandon> dpkg --compare-versions 1 2 ( or something like that )
[02:31] <imbrandon> Riddell and jpatrick was telling me how to use it the other day
[02:31] <imbrandon> but i dident note it
[02:31] <Hobbsee>   dpkg --compare-versions <a> <rel> <b>    compare version numbers - see below
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Comparison operators for --compare-versions are:
[02:32] <Hobbsee>  lt le eq ne ge gt       (treat empty version as earlier than any version);
[02:32] <Hobbsee>  lt-nl le-nl ge-nl gt-nl (treat empty version as later than any version);
[02:32] <Hobbsee>  < << <= = >= >> >       (only for compatibility with control file syntax).
[02:32] <Hobbsee> probably that
[02:33] <Riddell> echo $?  after
[02:33] <imbrandon> yea
[02:33] <imbrandon> like hello ladies or something LOL
[02:52] <toma> what is dh_iconcache?
[02:53] <Riddell> toma: it creates the icon cache that gnome uses
[02:53] <Riddell> toma: why do you ask?
[02:54] <toma> Riddell: just comparing kde-extra packages to ubuntu ones.. Looking at what needs to be synced
[02:54] <Riddell> syncing it would be nic
[02:54] <Riddell> nice
[02:54] <toma> Riddell: i saw digikamimageplugins is older, but ubuntu has added that
[02:55] <toma> so if i request a sync that change will get lost
[02:57] <Riddell> debian doesn't have a newer version of digikamimageplugins
[02:57] <Riddell> does it not use cdbs?
[02:58] <toma> 0.8.1-2 is in debian
[02:58] <Riddell> package.d.o doesn't know about it :)
[02:58] <Riddell> oh, I see it
[02:58] <toma> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org
[03:00] <Hobbsee> toma: which package was this?  digikamimageplugins?
[03:00] <toma> yes
[03:00] <Hobbsee> toma: did you find your answer?
[03:01] <toma> Hobbsee: no, i'm not sure what to do, but i now know what iconcache is ;-)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> toma: okay, give me a sec
[03:01] <Riddell> toma: digikamimageplugins is cdbs, dh_iconcache is now in cdbs so you can request a sync
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does it have a debian/cdbs/1/kde.mk though?
[03:03] <toma> Hobbsee: rules:include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[03:04] <Hobbsee> toma: right, good, sync it :)
[03:04] <toma> ok
[03:04] <Hobbsee> toma: how are you building this though?  ie, how are you testing it?
[03:05] <toma> Hobbsee: I'm not testing it, just comparing versions
[03:06] <Hobbsee> toma: ah ok
[03:06] <toma> is that ok, or should it be tested before asking a sync?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> toma: well, if it builds in debian, it's *likely* to build in ubuntu - but that's no guarentee that it will, as i found in the case of one of the packages i was looking at
[03:07] <\sh> you need to testbuild it
[03:07] <Riddell> yeah, you should use a pbuilder to check
[03:08] <toma> hmmm, that would need to be setup then
[03:08] <\sh> apt-get install pbuilder fakeroot 
[03:09] <\sh> and if you are running dapper, you should fetch debootstrap from edgy and install it
[03:09] <\sh> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto is another document you want to read :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> toma: current pbuilder is borked though.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> which makes testing kinda hard.
[03:10] <Riddell> hmm, good point Hobbsee 
[03:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: hmmm? pbuilder is borked?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> which is why i'm bored, and doign no merges
[03:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: you mean the archive is borked
[03:10] <\sh> because of new Xorg packages
[03:10] <Hobbsee> \sh: not pbuilder itself.  archive is borked, in particular kdelibs4-dev
[03:10] <Hobbsee> and libqt3-mt-dev
[03:11] <\sh> Hobbsee: then do other merges ;)
[03:11] <\sh> there are a lot more packages to merge
[03:11] <toma> ok, does not seem something that is setup easily....
[03:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: that cuts anything kde related out, and most things require some form of X
[03:11] <Hobbsee> \sh: any recommendations on where?
[03:11] <\sh> take some from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[03:11] <\sh> try it :)
[03:12] <\sh> dmraid
[03:12] <\sh> doc++
[03:12] <\sh> drscheme
[03:12] <Riddell> I can give people access to my chroot if that helps
[03:12] <\sh> exim
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wont your X be broken too?
[03:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the chroot was made before X broke
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh nice.
[03:14] <hunger> X broke? I should better not log out then;-)
[03:16] <seaLne> my X upgraded as of this morning seems fine
[03:16] <seaLne> what is broken?
[03:19] <toma> \sh: thanks for the link. Now i know the versions are already compared and i dont have to do it.
[03:22] <bddebian> Hello
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:23] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:28] <jjesse> monring Hobbsee nad bddebian
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya jjesse
[03:30] <imbrandon> heya bddebian and jjesse, and bye bddebian and jjesse ( and others )  /me is off to sleep for a bit
[03:32] <bddebian> Gnight imbrandon
[03:41] <Hobbsee> woohoo!  one sync!
[03:53] <\sh> toma: hum?
[03:54] <\sh> toma: compared doesn't mean merged :)
[03:54] <\sh> or synced
[03:54] <toma> \sh: i know. But i dont have persmissions to do a lot more
[03:57] <\sh> toma: why not?
[03:57] <\sh> toma: you could to merging ... tell us to check put it on revu and we are uploading your merge as sponsored package :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> \sh: toma and i are working thru this merging :P
[04:05] <Hobbsee> \sh: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ksubtile/+bug/52235 <-- please approve it and subscribe appropriate people.
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52235 in ksubtile "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync ksubtile 1.2-4 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if \sh isnt, can you approve the bug above please?
[04:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: done
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thankyou :)
[04:17] <\sh> Hobbsee: sry..wasn't at my place...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's cool :)
[04:18] <\sh> and sadly I have to stop for now with merging next to my normal work :( too many requests
[04:18] <\sh> need to install 200 servers 
[04:20] <Hobbsee> \sh: okay, enjoy :P
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i'll poke Riddell for my uploads then :)
[04:21] <\sh> Hobbsee: enjoying is something else
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:22] <\sh> 38 minutes they need to be install
[04:22] <\sh> ed
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[04:28] <abattoir> Riddell: 
[04:28] <abattoir>  <Kamion> ok, stage 1 of the big oem-config reorganisation is done
[04:28] <abattoir> [19:31:40]  <Kamion> I've updated the core to look more like ubiquity, rewritten the GTK UI, and separated stuff out so that there's mostly room for a KDE UI to slot in
[04:28] <abattoir> [19:31:51]  <Kamion> however, the current state is very likely to be extremely broken; I haven't tested it yet
[04:29] <abattoir> Riddell: also, the UI which i showed you yesterday is no good.... :( 
[04:29] <abattoir> oem-config apparently is a bit different from ubiquity
[04:29] <abattoir> so i'll have a look at the GTK think, put up a wiki, and create a Qt interface...
[04:30] <Riddell> abattoir: what's different?
[04:30] <abattoir> * GTK thing
[04:30] <abattoir> Language, Location go into one widget...
[04:30] <abattoir> the map widget is out.... for now
[04:31] <abattoir> the order of the widgets is also different
[04:31] <abattoir> timezone has its own widget...
[04:31] <Riddell> raphink: have you done anything with pykdeextensions?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2629 please upload :)
[04:33] <abattoir> Riddell: so i'm checking out his bzr archive now...
[04:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: checking
[04:34] <abattoir> i'll check out the GTK+ interface and the backend...
[04:34] <Hobbsee> what do we do for those not usign the MoM, with the upload scripts?  it's dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -v[oldversionnumber]  && dpkg-genchanges -S -sa -v[oldversionnumber]  isnt it?
[04:34] <abattoir> Riddell: and then get back to you
[04:34] <Hobbsee> and upload to revu.  where toma doesnt have an account.
[04:35] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa -v[oldversionnumber] 
[04:35] <Riddell> or upload to anywhere else
[04:35] <Riddell> just so long as its not forgotten about
[04:36] <toma> uploading in your chroot ;-)
[04:36] <toma> done
[04:36] <toma> that was fast ;-)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:48] <Riddell> \sh: python-sip4: Conflicts: python2.4-sip4-qt3 but 4.3.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[04:54] <toma> Riddell: put the digikamimageplugins at kubuntu.omat.nl, it can not be synced, because it needs libfam.la, added that dependency. All with help of Hobbsee...
[04:54] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:55] <Riddell> toma: it does?
[04:55] <Riddell> toma: what for?
[04:55] <toma> Riddell: did not check that
[04:56] <Riddell> that's probably just a result of the chroot being out of date
[04:58] <\sh> Riddell: sync went fine
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i updated the pbuilder
[04:58] <Hobbsee> s/pbuilder/chroot
[04:59] <Riddell> \sh: but I can't install python-sip4 and python2.4-sip4-qt3
[04:59] <toma> hmm, oki, then it can be synced. 
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: could you upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2630 as well please?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or have you not finished the last one yet?
[05:00] <\sh> Riddell: hmm...https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/sip4-qt3/4.4.5-2
[05:00] <\sh> Riddell: 4.4.5-2 is latest in edgy
[05:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kwave uploaded, please send change to debian maintainer
[05:01] <\sh> Riddell: if not, I have to check tomorrow morning
[05:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: or just apply for MOTU :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the meetings are at 6am!!!
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but i'm very tempted to
[05:02] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ping?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> oh that's right, just the dh_iconcache
[05:03] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yo
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bddebian: want to upload a package for me?  please?  it'd be cruel to make Riddell do all of mine :P
[05:04] <toma> Riddell: can you say 'yes' to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/digikamimageplugins/+bug/52238
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52238 in digikamimageplugins "Please sync with debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ksensors uploaded
[05:05] <Hobbsee> toma: i thought you said you couldnt sync that...
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thankyou :)
[05:05] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Bah, I'm sure Riddell is bored.. ;-P
[05:05] <toma> Hobbsee: only because of libfam.la, riddel blames that on the chroot
[05:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:05] <bddebian> Hobbsee: j/k.  Sure, give me a link
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: and send the change to the debian maintainer
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: both of them?  okay
[05:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: different maintainers (I assume)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2631  <-- had to wait for it to hit revu
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i assume so too.
[05:07] <seaLne> can anyone suggest what might cause the following error "tar: -: file name read contains nul character" when building a package?
[05:07] <Riddell> seaLne: no idea, but it doesn't seem to be causing any problems
[05:07] <seaLne> you've seen it before?
[05:08] <Riddell> yes
[05:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: No changes to it?
[05:09] <seaLne> Riddell: thanks, it didn't seem to be a problem but errors aren't usually good
[05:10] <Riddell> toma: libdigikam.la and libkipi.la need rebuilt
[05:10] <Riddell> then it can be synced
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no, there are changes in config.guess and config.sub
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i manually merged that oen
[05:11] <Hobbsee> has it borked on me?
[05:11] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Well you don't say that in the changelog :-)
[05:11] <toma> Riddell: why?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: what's the changelog say?
[05:12] <Riddell> toma: they need rebuilt to not use libfam.la
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: should have just been "sync from debian" or what the mom gives.
[05:12] <bddebian>   * Merge from debian unstable.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bddebian: that would be correct.
[05:12] <bddebian> Ohh, you stuck the Ubuntu changelog entry earlier, never mind... :-)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: MOM did, yeah :P
[05:13] <toma> Riddell: oki, how do i arrange that?
[05:13] <nixternal> moins Hobbsee, bddebian, Riddell, toma, seaLne ;)
[05:13] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[05:14] <toma> hi nixternal
[05:14] <nixternal> hello
[05:14] <Riddell> toma: I'm doing it now, just needs thrown back up
[05:14] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[05:14] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:14] <Hobbsee> anyone remember what the story was with libhamlib-dev?
[05:14] <Riddell> toma: once they've both compiled and entered the archives you can subscribe ubuntu-archive to that merge request
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: was it you who told me what it was renamed to?
[05:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: never heard of it
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...some MOTU told me...
[05:14] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yeah, give me a sec
[05:15] <toma> Riddell: oki
[05:15] <bddebian> Oh, I think it's just hamlib-dev
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bddebian: not that i can see, and not that this chroot finds.
[05:21] <seaLne> can anyone point me at how to get a package to not install a file?
[05:22] <Riddell> seaLne: depends on where the file is
[05:22] <Riddell> seaLne: rm -f in debian/rules install will do it
[05:23] <seaLne> rm -f $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/ident
[05:23] <seaLne> ?
[05:24] <Riddell> yeah
[05:25] <seaLne> ah infact i can not get it to build it
[05:28] <Hobbsee> bddebian: did that end up working out?
[05:28] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Yep, uploading now
[05:29] <Hobbsee> bddebian: nice, i've just revu'd another one
[05:29] <Hobbsee> wonder when i have to go to work tomorrow.
[05:29] <toma> Riddell: raphink has rebuild kipi-plugins for the libfam.la issue as well
[05:29] <Riddell> he has?
[05:29] <bddebian> Well isn't that special Hobbsee ;-P
[05:29] <Hobbsee> 10am - darn.
[05:29] <toma> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kipi-plugins/+changelog
[05:29] <Hobbsee> bddebian: :P
[05:30] <Riddell> oh tsk to raphink 
[05:30] <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2633 <-- upload please :)
[05:30] <raphink> Riddell: what?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> or whoever wants to do it
[05:31] <Riddell> raphink: the problem is in libkipi which needs to be rebuild to not know about libfam.la (I've just done that), so the fam dependency on kipi-plugins can then be removed
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ack!  i've almost done all of my original uploads now!
[05:31] <raphink> Riddell: ah ok :s
[05:31] <raphink> well it woulnd't build without it
[05:31] <raphink> and I hadn't tried with the new libkipi sorry
[05:31] <Riddell> raphink: that's because libkipi needed a rebuild
[05:32] <raphink> now I've requested the sync for the new libkipi
[05:32] <raphink> so it's synced
[05:32] <raphink> so we could remove this dep now
[05:32] <raphink> sorry for this
[05:32] <Riddell> raphink: when did that happen?
[05:32] <Riddell> no problem
[05:32] <raphink> Riddell: when did what happen? libkipi sync?
[05:33] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[05:33] <raphink> a week ago it seems
[05:33] <raphink> on the 29th of june
[05:33] <raphink> I merged it
[05:33] <raphink> and you modified it since
[05:33] <Riddell> raphink: yeah, that was too long ago for the libfam stuff
[05:33] <Riddell> you were just too quick that's all :)
[05:34] <raphink> yes
[05:34] <raphink> I knnow
[05:34] <raphink> I requested the sync of kipi-plugins before merging libkipi
[05:34] <raphink> on the same day
[05:34] <raphink> but just before 
[05:34] <raphink> and it was treated right when I asked for it
[05:34] <raphink> or at least libkipi wasn't rebuilt when kipi-plugin was rebuilt
[05:34] <raphink> so my fault
[05:35] <raphink> I should know better ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> on second thoughts, i think i'll finish my merges before stealing other peoples.
[05:40] <bddebian> heh
[05:40] <bddebian> Please, steal mine ;-)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> [01:30]  <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2633 <-- upload please :) <-- has that happened yet?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:40] <bddebian> Damn woman
[05:40] <bddebian> I'm test building now
[05:41] <Hobbsee> bddebian: just checking, as i'm about to go to bed :P
[05:41] <bddebian> :-)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> and i didnt want to forget about it, and find that it was still on that list, when i no longer had a copy of it, and remembered nothing about it.
[05:42] <seaLne> any makefile experts able to have a look at http://pastebin.ca/81508 and http://pastebin.ca/81506 and tell me what i'm doing wrong at line 13 of 81506?  i want to change the name of the binary it builds
[05:44] <Riddell> seaLne: is there no Makefile.am?
[05:44] <seaLne> nope
[05:45] <Riddell> seaLne: what's it doing when you make that change?
[05:45] <seaLne> -o is the file it should create isn't it?
[05:45] <seaLne> it dosen't build anything
[05:45] <Riddell> you may need to change the name of the target too $(D)ident: -> $(D)affident:
[05:46] <seaLne> nope
[05:47] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Uploading
[05:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: thankyou :)
[05:48] <seaLne> nope == nope didn't fix it
[05:48] <Riddell> seaLne: you could just mv the binary once it's compiled
[05:48] <seaLne> :)
[05:48] <seaLne> inside DESTDIR?
[05:48] <seaLne> at what stage
[05:49] <seaLne> after $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/afflib ?
[05:50] <Riddell> yes
[05:51] <Hobbsee> i'm happy :)  my name is on the edgy changes list a few times now :)
[05:51] <seaLne> heh
[05:56] <Hobbsee> okay, night all.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> work in 8 hours - argh.
[05:57] <seaLne> Riddell: mv /usr/bin/ident /usr/bin/affident
[05:57] <seaLne> mv: cannot stat `/usr/bin/ident': No such file or directory
[05:57] <seaLne> make: *** [install-arch]  Error 1
[05:59] <seaLne> i put it in install-arch: between $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/afflib and dh_install -s
[06:00] <Riddell> seaLne: what's the mv line you put in?
[06:00] <seaLne> mv $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/ident $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/affident
[06:01] <Riddell> try $(CURDIR)/debian/usr/bin/ident
[06:01] <seaLne> ah i see my problem $(DESTDIR) is no longer visable
[06:09] <seaLne> Riddell: thanks that worked
[06:11] <Riddell> yay
[06:21] <toma> Riddell: i've merged the debian package and ubuntu packaged to something new, can you take a look? http://kubuntu.omat.nl
[06:21] <toma> Riddell: subject is kscope
[06:25] <Riddell> toma: looking
[06:26] <Riddell> toma: you need to sync the changelogs too
[06:27] <toma> take the entries of both changelogs?
[06:27] <Riddell> yes
[06:27] <toma> +all
[06:27] <Riddell> and send kubuntu_02_xdg.diff to the upstream author
[06:28] <toma> k
[06:30] <seaLne> Riddell: (or anyone else) if you have a chance could you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2635 ?
[06:33] <Tonio_> hey
[06:33] <Riddell> hi toma 
[06:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: 
[06:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: you've claimed a bunch of merges on KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates, are you going to do those soon?
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will start uploads of my packages on universe this we and raphink is gonna upload my packages for main probably
[06:34] <Riddell> great
[06:34] <Tonio_> arf, just a second late :)
[06:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: everything will be uploaded this we
[06:34] <Riddell> great
[06:34] <Riddell> I'm away this weekend, but hopefully raphink or other can upload to main
[06:34] <Riddell> \sh_away might be around
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I've tested latest kwlan, it should really replace wlassistant.... it becomes really mature now
[06:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: as \sh_away recover his upload rights ?
[06:35] <Riddell> ok, I'll take a look at that sometime
[06:35] <Riddell> yes he has
[06:35] <Tonio_> great ;)
[06:35] <Tonio_> once I've done the big work for edgy, I'll try core-dev... it is time now
[06:36] <Riddell> agreed
[06:47] <toma> Riddell: fixed the changelog, download from same location.
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we give priority to latest updates or stable versions ?
[06:49] <Tonio_> for example gwenview has a new version considered unstable but that works correctly...
[09:54] <toma> test
[09:54] <Lure> toma: success ;-)
[09:55] <toma> Lure: all traffic stopped all of a sudden. I was just wondering if it was my client ;0-
[10:02] <toma> Tonio_: have you ever used kscope?
[11:13] <toma> Riddell: amd64 build digikam failed: grep: /usr/lib/libfam.la: No such file or directory