[12:08] <gatekeeper> larson9999: I am waiting for eUbuntu using enlightenment window manger :-) :-)
[12:08] <Pupeno> LittleMe: I don't want to translate anything, I want to set the language of a document to german, so the auto-spellchecker uses the right dictionary.
[12:08] <ihope> Um... is Xubuntu about 6 times the size of Kubuntu, or what? :-P
[12:08] <larson9999> Hawkwind: ah
[12:08] <LittleMe> pupeno, i don't know sorry
[12:08] <larson9999> gatekeeper: that would be nice.  is it in the works?
[12:08] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Yes
[12:09] <Pupeno> thanks.
[12:09] <Hawkwind> larson9999: By the time Dapper+1 is released Ebuntu will be an official OS
[12:09] <meltdown> Hey, does anyone know how to get 3D graphis working better on S3 Unichrome hardware?
[12:09] <insanekane> ebuntu ?
[12:09] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i think i'll switch then
[12:09] <Hawkwind> insanekane: Ebuntu will be based on the E17 window manager
[12:09] <insanekane> right
[12:10] <Hawkwind> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[12:10] <h3sp4wn_> I run e-17 now also
[12:10] <h3sp4wn_> (got an nvidia and it all works fine)
[12:10] <OOD> i didn't even know about e-17, is it good?
[12:12] <gatekeeper> larson9999: just clicked on Hawkwind's URL and looks like it's here, have to try that on my test box, I tried OLiveCD which uses enlightenment and was amazed and the speed applications loaded and worked
[12:12] <meltdown> Has anyone managed to successfully set up an S3 Unichrome Pro Graphics chip on Linux (With 3D support at more than 2 FPS)?
[12:12] <gatekeeper> Hawkwind: cool :-)
[12:13] <gatekeeper> Hawkwind: didn'r Ebuntu was a sibling have to give that a try some time. Thanx :-)
[12:13] <gatekeeper> didn't ooops
[12:16] <h3sp4wn_> OOD: Its pre alpha but it is good
[12:16] <h3sp4wn_> OOD: Been in development for 6 years by a perfectionist
[12:16] <OOD> haha
[12:17] <chess> anybody have link for kubuntu nvidia install howto?
[12:17] <OOD> i'll try it out
[12:17] <sensei> A little like Guns 'n roses new album then
[12:17] <sensei> Minus four years  :)
[12:17] <h3sp4wn_> !nvidia
[12:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <chess> ty
[12:18] <sensei> The clones are attacking!
[12:18] <linuxmonkey> yeouch
[12:19] <linuxmonkey> :)
[12:20] <meltdown> Does anyone have any suggestions for setting up an integrated Graphics chip for acceptable 3D graphics? (Even an integrated chip should be able to get better than 2 FPS...)
[12:20] <SigmaX> Yo; I updated to Dapper from Breezy a while back, and now apt-get is stuck on kcontrol: unable to make backup link of `./usr/lib/kde3/kcm_style.la' before installing new version: Operation not permitted
[12:20] <Healot> ati mobile > for portable computers
[12:21] <meltdown> Was that for me...?
[12:26] <slow-motion> n8
[12:31] <xadas> huhu
[12:38] <neuron_> hey
[12:39] <neuron_> is there any way of recording the desktop to a avi file?
[12:41] <Mopii> i have a problem with wine :(    j'ai ce message dans wine : fixme:wininet:InternetSetOptionW INTERNET_OPTION_SEND/RECEIVE_TIMEOUT not supported on protocol 1
[12:47] <Healot> Mopii, are you using some application to connect to the internet...?
[12:48] <ryan> Arso, any luck with cedega ?
[12:48] <tarragon> Hi all. I am having problems with the kubuntu install at the partitioning stage. Was Hoary running fine. New Kubuntu disk appears not to see HD. I can partition it with fdisk but the kubuntu installer says the whole disk in unallocated.. Any ideas?
[12:49] <Zaire> Arso if you figure out how to fix the Xlibs issue with cedega first let me know
[12:50] <h3sp4wn_> Zaire: Take the deb appart and remove the xlibs dependancy
[12:53] <fatejudger> !opera
[12:53] <ubotu> An advanced and free (only as in price) Web browser. Howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser - Latest Ubuntu packages always at: http://opera.com/download
[12:58] <cox377___> does anyone here use VOIP??
[12:58] <cox377___> in particular voipcheap
[01:00] <Midspeed> hi everyone, im back for more!!! he he he, how can i create a partition with kubuntun 6.06, i got 10 gigs that arent partitioned, how do i do that, i want to use that space to put files i download from the internet there, only for storage.
[01:00] <sensei> Midspeed: You mean you have 10 gigs of free space?
[01:00] <Chousuke> the app's name is qtparted
[01:00] <sensei> I'd say mkfs
[01:01] <Midspeed> yeah but its not partitoned
[01:01] <Midspeed> i need to partition it
[01:01] <Midspeed> how do i do that?
[01:01] <Chousuke> qtparted
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> fdisk
[01:01] <Midspeed> in kubuntu 6.06
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> or cfdisk
[01:01] <Midspeed> ok thanks
[01:01] <Chousuke> ... qtparted. :P
[01:01] <sensei> Eh.. is it a disk that's 10 gigs? Or is it a disk with 10 gigs free space?
[01:01] <Midspeed> which one is better?
[01:01] <Midspeed> qtparted or fdisk?
[01:01] <Chousuke> qtparted has a GUI
[01:01] <Midspeed> or cfdisk?
[01:01] <Midspeed> ok thanks
[01:01] <sensei> In the latter case, you do NOT want to partition it
[01:01] <h3sp4wn_> I always use fdisk - cfdisk has a gui
[01:02] <Chousuke> does it?
[01:02] <Midspeed> so which one is better???
[01:02] <Midspeed> ha ha ha
[01:02] <Chousuke> I thought it has a TUI :P
[01:02] <sensei> ffs...
[01:02] <h3sp4wn_> Its graphical hence it has a graphical user interface
[01:02] <sensei> just mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdwhateveris10gigsunallocated
[01:02] <Chousuke> graphical?
[01:02] <sensei> And you're good to go
[01:03] <Chousuke> I never knew cfdisk was graphical :P
[01:03] <Midspeed> thank you sensei ! and thanks for all the other opinions i will try whichever works best for me :D
[01:03] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: There is no partition created though (I think that is what he is saying)
[01:03] <Chousuke> I used to run it from the terminal.
[01:03] <Midspeed> yeah no partition is created
[01:03] <Midspeed> its just unallocated space
[01:03] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Then it's a disk that's 10 gigs
[01:03] <sensei> Midspeed: Then it's partitioned
[01:03] <Chousuke> Midspeed: unallocated space on a disk with other partitions?
[01:03] <sensei> Partition = slice of disk.. Unallocated = partitioned slice of disk without file system
[01:03] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: No
[01:03] <Chousuke> Midspeed: then it's already a partition, in which case you will have to make a file system
[01:04] <Midspeed> :'( ok he he he
[01:04] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Yes
[01:04] <sensei> Unpartitioned = free space without an entry in the FAT
[01:04] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: If I have 10gb of unpartitioned space it doesn't have an sdaX entry so you need to create a partition first
[01:05] <Chousuke> wouldn't unpartitioned = no FAT
[01:05] <Midspeed> it doesnt show on DISK and FILESYSTEMS
[01:05] <sensei> Chousuke: The disk still has a FAT
[01:05] <Chousuke> Hm.
[01:05] <Chousuke> Whatever.
[01:06] <Chousuke> I'm too tired to think of this any further.
[01:06] <Chousuke> semantics.
[01:06] <h3sp4wn_> Midspeed: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda (or sda) or whatever it is
[01:06] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Yeah, then it's unpartitioned
[01:07] <h3sp4wn_> sensei: Which is what he said his is
[01:07] <SpAwN> hello all how can i get smp support
[01:07] <SpAwN> ?
[01:07] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: You already have it or use the server kernel
[01:08] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: I gave him two options.. I said in the latter case :) I've learned that what people say isn't always what they want.. And I tend to want to give options whenever there's so crusial things such as harddrives and their layout involved
[01:08] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: realy?.....it default on the normal kernel?
[01:08] <sensei> But surely went good this time, yeah
[01:09] <SpAwN> 2.6.15-25-386 is the kernel im using
[01:09] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: How do you know you don't have smp ?
[01:10] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: From dapper all the kernels support smp
[01:10] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: i dont......i didnt see anything when i searched for kernel.......
[01:10] <Midspeed> ok, im not very smart with linux, and i cant seem to create a partition with fdisk
[01:10] <sensei> Wouldn't the second CPU show up in /proc/cpuinfo if it was enabled?
[01:10] <Midspeed> that cfdisk, is not graphical he he he
[01:10] <chess> how do i exit x server
[01:10] <SpAwN> sensei: would it?..
[01:10] <danl> adept screwed up and now the database is locked and i can't upgrade anything, how do i fix that?
[01:11] <sensei> SpAwN: Let me log into a smp system and see, just a sec
[01:11] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Does /proc/cpuinfo list 2 cpu's ?
[01:11] <SpAwN> sensei: k thanks
[01:11] <sensei> $ grep processor /proc/cpuinfo
[01:11] <sensei> processor       : 0
[01:11] <sensei> processor       : 1
[01:11] <SpAwN> umm just run "sudo /proc/cpuinfo"
[01:11] <SpAwN> ?
[01:11] <h3sp4wn_> cat /proc/cpuinfo I would do
[01:12] <Midspeed> ok sorry to bother im using cfdisk and it is indeed a shell like graphic interface
[01:12] <Midspeed> he he he
[01:12] <SpAwN> processor       : 0
[01:12] <sensei> Not SMP then
[01:13] <SpAwN> sensei: what kernel are you using?
[01:13] <sensei> It's on Red Hat Enterprise
[01:13] <SpAwN> ahh
[01:13] <sensei> 2.4.21
[01:14] <SpAwN> hmm should i install a diff kernel to get the smp support?...on know on mandriva there was a smp specific kernel
[01:14] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Install the 686 kernel and try again - If that doesn't work try the server kernel - but if you are running games then you probably don't want the server kernel
[01:14] <Midspeed> damn it says the partition is unusable!
[01:14] <Midspeed> can somebody help me out here
[01:14] <h3sp4wn_> Midspeed: Delete it and create it again
[01:14] <Midspeed> ok
[01:14] <Midspeed> thanks
[01:15] <SpAwN> ahhh k h3sp4wn_ thanks for the info...im gonna go try that
[01:15] <Midspeed> it says cannot delete and empty partition
[01:15] <Midspeed> he he he
[01:15] <h3sp4wn_> Midspeed: Are you running it with sudo ?
[01:15] <Midspeed> i am the root
[01:15] <Midspeed> im logged as root
[01:15] <sensei> There's always kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp  couldn't that be useful ? *sucking at kubuntu packages*
[01:16] <SpAwN> one more quick question ....... kubuntu installed  a386 kernel by default i can use a 686 correct?
[01:16] <h3sp4wn_> I don't see why you would want to use that kernel 2.4
[01:16] <D4m4ge> bye, good night
[01:16] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Is it 2 processors you have or a dual core ?
[01:17] <Midspeed> help! :(
[01:17] <sensei> Better to run a 2.4 kernel with two cpus rather than a 2.6 one with only one I'd say
[01:17] <sensei> h3sp4wn_: Ah, good hinking there with dual core
[01:17] <SpAwN> its a p4 with HT
[01:17] <SpAwN> 3.6 ghz
[01:18] <h3sp4wn_> HT is not even really two cores
[01:18] <h3sp4wn_> I don't know how to check whether that is working right though
[01:18] <SpAwN> so it wont mak a diff?
[01:18] <SpAwN> i was told it could....i will probly benchmark...and see
[01:19] <sebast> hi
[01:20] <Philip5> hi there
[01:20] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Maybe if the applications you are running are well threaded and compiled with intel's compiler
[01:22] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: Support for hyperthreading would not be in the 386 kernel though
[01:22] <Midspeed> it says the partition is UNUSABLE and i cant delete it
[01:22] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: k thanks again...im gonna give it a quick shot
[01:22] <sebast> well it is nearlly time for me to back up my files and re install Dapper Gnome and KDE.  However this will mean I lose my LAMP set up.  and that took about a day with help to get set up in Breezy which I later upgraded to Dapper.  and I just installed Apache on a lap top running Dapper to find out.  if I needed to mess around with anything.  and well people carn't connect.  I did the router and yeah.  anyway that's not wha
[01:22] <sebast> ut any messing around.  in the non server edition.  or can the server edition be used for other stuff as well
[01:22] <Midspeed> or create any new partition
[01:22] <Healot> Midspeed: how many partition you already have?
[01:22] <Midspeed> let me check
[01:23] <Healot> if you have 4 primary parts, or 3 primary + 1 extended primary
[01:23] <Healot> then the unused space is render unusable
[01:25] <driz> Hey!!!
[01:25] <Midspeed> 6
[01:25] <Midspeed> counting 2 unusable
[01:25] <Midspeed>  clear
[01:26] <sysrpl> hello
[01:26] <sysrpl> what is the name of THE sdl package?
[01:26] <Healot> you already have 4 primary parts i guess? Midspeed
[01:26] <Healot> !find libdsl
[01:26] <ubotu> No packages matching 'libdsl' could be found
[01:26] <Healot> !find libsdl
[01:26] <ubotu> Found: libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-image1.2-dev, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev, libsdl-ttf2.0-0 (and 28 others)
[01:27] <Midspeed> 3
[01:27] <Midspeed> 3 primary
[01:27] <sysrpl> is there one that emcompases them all?
[01:27] <Midspeed> 2 logical
[01:27] <sysrpl> which are the primary and how did you tell?
[01:27] <driz> I have a problem in adding a function to my ".bashrc" file, and it's suppose to show me the date and time everytime i would enter the Konsole, but its not working. Does anyone know how i can fix this?
[01:27] <Healot> that means 3 primary + 1 extended primary
[01:27] <Midspeed> yes
[01:27] <Healot> wish your disk can be use like Windows dynamic disk, Midspeed?
[01:28] <Midspeed> screw windows
[01:28] <sysrpl> how are you able to discern which of those packages were primary?
[01:28] <Midspeed> i got windows here cause my girl doesnt like linux
[01:28] <fiyawerx> !lamp
[01:28] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:29] <sebast> type !lamp,
[01:29] <sebast> !lamp,
[01:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about lamp,
[01:29] <sebast> !lamp
[01:29] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:29] <Midspeed> im just a little frustrated with the partitioning
[01:30] <Healot> Midspeed: it's the dynamic disk feature that we like to see
[01:31] <Midspeed> he he he
[01:31] <Midspeed> ok
[01:31] <Midspeed> i dont know what the hell im gonna do with this
[01:32] <Healot> my two cents
[01:32] <Healot> either extend your extended part size to fill the unused free space
[01:33] <sysrpl> does "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915GM 20050225" from glxinfo mean i have full hardware opengl acceleration installed?
[01:33] <sotired> what is the wine help channel? anyone know?
[01:33] <Healot> #wine
[01:33] <sotired> no
[01:33] <h3sp4wn_> #winehq
[01:33] <Healot> #drunkards
[01:33] <sotired> thats it
[01:33] <sotired> thanks
[01:33] <sotired> lol
[01:34] <h3sp4wn_> ##cooking maybe they know about wine ?
[01:34] <Philip5> sysrpl: no
[01:35] <sotired> anyone use vsoconvertxtodvd with wine before?
[01:36] <Healot> mrbass.org has all your Windows DVD application running under WINE
[01:36] <dj_baggio> !ocr
[01:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about ocr
[01:37] <dj_baggio> !gocr
[01:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about gocr
[01:37] <dj_baggio> !kocr
[01:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about kocr
[01:38] <Pupeno> !mp3
[01:38] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:42] <Mosi> can anyone tell me what the difference is between Synaptic and Adept, and if i should be using one or the other?
[01:43] <Healot> both are default apt-get Frontend for both desktop Gnome and KDE, respectively
[01:45] <Mosi> Healot: that's what i thought. I was unable to install Kubuntu directly, so i installed Ubuntu and did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, so i guess that's why i hve both. is there any reason i should be using adept?
[01:46] <Healot> both frontend have their own package filtering method, different ways to update repository
[01:46] <Healot> none, if you are sticking to synaptic
[01:46] <Mosi> ok
[01:47] <Mosi> but it's a bad idea to mix and match, then?
[01:47] <Healot> but KDE will install things with help from adept
[01:47] <Mosi> lol, oh. is that why my help system won't launch?
[01:48] <Healot> in KDE?
[01:48] <Mosi> yeah
[01:48] <Mosi> or did you not mean like that?
[01:48] <Healot> by (c)licking it from the meny?
[01:48] <Healot> KDE menu shortcut?
[01:48] <Mosi> nope, that seems to work
[01:49] <fiyawerx> !lamp
[01:49] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[01:49] <Healot> !red_panda
[01:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about red_panda
[01:52] <coma> Kubuntu is officially Sexy:)
[01:53] <Kr4t05> coma, how so?
[01:54] <coma> just got my
[01:54] <vem0m> lol
[01:54] <coma> NTFS disks mounted, XMMS running and Warzone 2100
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Who uses NTFS...?
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Or XMMS?
[01:55] <Kr4t05> :P
[01:55] <coma> that company...microdeft or something.....
[01:55] <Kr4t05> lmao
[01:56] <sensei> xmms is nice
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Eh, yeah, it's okay.
[01:56] <Kr4t05> amaroK is hawter. ;)
[01:56] <sensei> For us who doesn't care about nitty gritty and just want to listen to music occasionally
[01:56] <sensei> It's too heavy for me, I don't use any of its features really, but I don't blame those who does either .)
[01:57] <sensei> What features do you like best about amarok?
[01:57] <Kr4t05> sensei, everything?
[01:58] <coma> meh....xmms has been about since i got redhat 7....just got used to it
[01:58] <OOD> the organization of all my music and the layout
[01:58] <Kr4t05> It pretty much does everything, music player support, podcast catching.
[01:58] <vem0m> i like the pop up sond info and its clean interface
[01:58] <Kr4t05> That, too.
[01:58] <OOD> what popup sound?
[01:58] <sensei> Music player support?
[01:58] <coma> yeah, but my amarok wont play mp3......
[01:58] <vem0m> pop up track info
[01:59] <OOD> coma: yes it can
[01:59] <sensei> vem0m: The OSD??
[01:59] <vem0m> make sure u install the mp3 codec for xine
[01:59] <sensei> !mp3
[01:59] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:59] <vem0m> that
[01:59] <vem0m> :P
[01:59] <Kr4t05> coma, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs (I think)
[02:00] <vem0m> yea i think thats it
[02:00] <Kr4t05> I'm far too good at that.
[02:00] <OOD> 1.4.1 is out and packed already
[02:00] <vem0m> lol
[02:01] <Kr4t05> But, then, I used Automatix most recently.
[02:01] <OOD> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[02:01] <Healot> !info libxine-extracodecs
[02:01] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[02:01] <Kr4t05> OOD, I already have it. :)_
[02:01] <danl> how do you get libqt3c102-mt installed
[02:01] <crimsun> danl: that's only valid for warty and hoary, danl
[02:01] <Kr4t05> WTF?!...
[02:01] <danl> hmm
[02:01] <crimsun> we're talking april 2005
[02:02] <danl> cause the app i was trying to install needs it
[02:02] <crimsun> what app?
[02:02] <danl> kooldock
[02:02] <crimsun> huh?
[02:02] <crimsun> !info kooldock
[02:02] <ubotu> kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 518 kB, installed size 976 kB
[02:02] <crimsun> why not use that?
[02:03] <sensei> How do you amarok fans handle invalid id3 tags? I have like three gnr albums and a few singles.. All of which spells Guns 'n' roses differently
[02:03] <sensei> Do you sit and edit all the id3-tags manually? Or do you just 'live with it' ?
[02:03] <danl> hmmm
[02:03] <Kr4t05> sensei, right click -> edit file info.
[02:03] <danl> didn't show up when i searched for it
[02:03] <crimsun> I retag with ex falso.
[02:03] <crimsun> or if I'm feeling masochistic, I use easytag
[02:03] <sensei> Kr4t05: For 26 songs?
[02:03] <Kr4t05> sensei, one what level are they messed up?
[02:03] <sensei> And that's just for my guns 'n roses collection :)
[02:04] <sensei> Kr4t05: Artist name in id3 tags
[02:05] <Kr4t05> In the collections tab, right click on the offending album/artist name and choose, "Edit Information for (n) Tracks"
[02:05] <sensei> It's not an issue really, since I don't use it.. Just curious, just something I reflected upon when evaluating amarok
[02:05] <sensei> Ah, nice
[02:05] <Kr4t05> :)
[02:06] <sensei> When my music collection exceeds a certain amount of songs, I'll consider it ;)
[02:07] <fiyawerx> !java
[02:07] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:08] <sensei> Fsck.. level 99 on frozen-bubble is impossible!
[02:09] <sysrpl> i just installed the pixel image editor from a deb package using sudo dpkg - pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb .... where did it install pixeldemo to so that i can run it?
[02:09] <sysrpl> or how can i find where a package install to?
[02:10] <OOD> do pixeldemo in the terminal
[02:10] <sysrpl> i did any i could find it
[02:10] <sysrpl> couldn't
[02:10] <OOD> you type in pixeldemo in the terminal and nothing happened?
[02:10] <sysrpl> bash: pixeldemo: command not found
[02:11] <joscha_> dpkg -L pixeldemo
[02:11] <TheHighChild> is it possible to install a 32 bit package on a 64 it machine?
[02:11] <Dasnipa`> sure
[02:12] <TheHighChild> can you do it from the repos?
[02:12] <sysrpl> Package `pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb' is not installed.
[02:12] <sysrpl> but i just installed it with no error messages?
[02:12] <vem0m> sysrpl: u use sudo when u installed?
[02:12] <joscha_> did u dpkg -L pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb or dpkg -L pixeldemo ?
[02:12] <sysrpl> sudo dpkg -i pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb
[02:13] <sysrpl> oh
[02:13] <sysrpl> still, not installed
[02:13] <lime4x4> problem starting ktorrent
[02:13] <lime4x4> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'bt::Error'
[02:13] <lime4x4> KCrash: Application 'ktorrent' crashing...
[02:13] <lime4x4> ERROR: Communication problem with ktorrent, it probably crashed.
[02:13] <TheHighChild> how do I install a 32 bit package?
[02:13] <sysrpl> sudo dpkg -L pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb ... result = not installed
[02:14] <joscha_> just dpkg -L pixeldemo
[02:14] <sysrpl> same thing
[02:14] <sysrpl> why ins the install not givving me any errors?
[02:14] <MrObvious> TheHighChild: I don't think you can except for running a virtual 32 bit enviroment.
[02:15] <sysrpl> it says "Setting up pixeldemo (1.0.524-1) ..." then the next line is back to the command prompt
[02:15] <tonyr> What's up with the login over at the forums? Used to have login on Forums Home.
[02:15] <sysrpl> tonyr: i noticed that too
[02:15] <tonyr> now has separate preceding login window that rejects me every time
[02:16] <tonyr> sysrpl:  Thanks I thought I was being persecuted...
[02:17] <sysrpl> you are talking about ubuntuforums.org right?
[02:17] <tonyr> sysrpl: Yup that's the one
[02:18] <sysrpl> i don't know why they even use https for a forum
[02:18] <omeow> I have a huge directory of files all named in upper case. Is there a way to quickly rename all files to lowercase?
[02:19] <sensei> Because you send your password to it ?
[02:19] <uuuubsd> is k3b included in kubuntu
[02:19] <sysrpl> why not just use a cookie?
[02:19] <sysrpl> all other forums use http and cookies without https
[02:19] <sensei> My mother could break a cookie protection
[02:20] <sensei> lol and that's actually true
[02:20] <omeow> uuuubsd: Yes.
[02:20] <joscha_> omeow: krename
[02:21] <usp8riot> can someone tell me how to copy multiple directories to a folder?
[02:22] <tonyr> I've always used http://www.ubuntuforums.org, never https:
[02:22] <usp8riot> anyone know?
[02:22] <greg> cp
[02:22] <omeow> Thanks joscha_.
[02:23] <usp8riot> file:///home/tony/.mplayer/skins/AlienMind
[02:23] <usp8riot> file:///home/tony/.mplayer/skins/DVDPlayer
[02:23] <usp8riot> file:///home/tony/.mplayer/skins/xmmplayer
[02:24] <sysrpl> so about thta pixel installl .. could someone please tell me what's going on?
[02:24] <usp8riot> oops, didn't mean to paste it like that
[02:24] <Hazar> how do you change the screen refresh rate from the terminal?
[02:24] <Hazar> it happened after I installed the ati drivers
[02:24] <sysrpl> i type "sudo dpkg -i pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb" and it seems to finsih without errors, but never actually installs
[02:24] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: You don't you set it from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:24] <usp8riot> i'm trying to move my mplayer skins into the mplayer directory, and nothing's working
[02:24] <Hazar> I've tried that h3sp4wn_
[02:24] <joscha_> sysrpl: i have no idea... perhabs the package is packed wrong? where did u get it
[02:24] <Hazar> or at least looked in there
[02:24] <sysrpl> from the pixel website
[02:24] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: A suitable modeline ?
[02:25] <sensei> usp8riot: Not working?!??!
[02:25] <joscha_> sysrpl: url?
[02:25] <sensei> What the fsck does that mean?
[02:25] <Hazar> what do you mean h3sp4wn_?
[02:25] <sensei> Does the computer blow up? Does it cuss at you?
[02:25] <sysrpl> thhttp://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4%2F&os=8449fcc24cc9c21232504117c1ff32ef
[02:25] <Hazar> I was using nano
[02:25] <sysrpl> http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4%2F&os=8449fcc24cc9c21232504117c1ff32ef
[02:25] <regenerate> ey guys, since when is there a .htaccess login required for http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ ?
[02:25] <usp8riot> i get "cp: ommitting directory..."
[02:25] <sensei> cp -rf
[02:25] <sensei> See, had you said that the first time you asked the question, you'd be done by now
[02:25] <usp8riot> what's the "-rf" do?
[02:25] <sysrpl> there is no blowup or cussing
[02:25] <sensei> And read the manpage
[02:26] <sysrpl> when installing it says "Setting up pixeldemo (1.0.524-1) ..." then the next line is back to the command prompt
[02:26] <Hazar> the only place I see the refresh rate in there is under section "monitor"
[02:26] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: My lcd panel runs best at 60hz so I use ModeLine       "1280x1024_60.00" 108.9 1280 1360 1496 1712 1024 1025 1028 1060 -hsync +vsync and Modes      "1280x1024_60.00" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[02:26] <Hazar> yeah
[02:26] <Hazar> mine says 60 hz too
[02:26] <Hazar> but when I boot it goes to like 80
[02:27] <easynintendo> hey hazar did they help you in here?
[02:27] <joscha_> sysrpl: works for me, the binary is called "pixel"
[02:27] <Hazar> not yet easynintendo
[02:28] <usp8riot> ok, got it. thanks sensei
[02:28] <easynintendo> hmm
[02:28] <sysrpl> yeah that works! how did you know the binary name and why did dpkg -L say not installed?
[02:28] <tonyr> about that forums login prob: SOnicChao at #kubuntu says forums are down right now.
[02:28] <easynintendo> joscha can you help hazar?
[02:28] <easynintendo> he needs to know how to change his monitor refresh rate using the commandline
[02:28] <sysrpl> these are the tings that drive me crazy ... how did you know the binary name?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Do you want it to run at 60hz ? if you do pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:28] <easynintendo> i think
[02:28] <joscha_> dpkg -L pixeldemo worked for me
[02:28] <SonicChao> tonyr: ????
[02:29] <easynintendo> see hazar they answered u =D
[02:29] <SonicChao> tonyr: Yes, the forums are down.
[02:29] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Or what refresh rate do you want it to run at ?
[02:29] <Hazar> h3sp4wn_, pastebin?
[02:29] <Hazar> what's that
[02:29] <Hazar> 60 would be good
[02:29] <h3sp4wn_> !pastebin
[02:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:29] <danl> dumb question, but whats the name of the terminal that auto hides at the top of the screen and is transparent?
[02:30] <danl> i can't remember
[02:30] <sysrpl> i was doing sudo dpkg -L pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb ...
[02:30] <Hazar> I'm on my windows machine here though
[02:30] <Hazar> I can't get to anything on my other
[02:30] <sysrpl> how did you know to just use -L pixeldemo ?
[02:30] <Hazar> 'cause it goes out of range
[02:30] <sysrpl> i am trying to learn how linux works so i dont have to ask next time
[02:30] <easynintendo> i think in the bootloader you can set a resolution
[02:31] <easynintendo> and overrride the xorg.conf
[02:31] <joscha_> pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386.deb is the filename of the packege, pixeldemo is the name of the package
[02:31] <easynintendo> cant you h3sp4wn?
[02:31] <Hazar> how do you do that?
[02:31] <easynintendo> i dont know that part =P
[02:31] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Boot in recovery mode and run sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[02:31] <easynintendo> hes not on kubuntu
[02:31] <Hazar> on suse
[02:31] <easynintendo> hes on suse, but noobody in #suse would help him
[02:31] <easynintendo> or anyone else
[02:31] <easynintendo> so i reffered him here because at least people answer you in here
[02:32] <Hazar> well, I guess it doesn't matter now, since I can't get any monitor output now
[02:32] <Hazar> great...
[02:32] <easynintendo> your monitor is broken now hazar?
[02:32] <Hazar> no
[02:32] <Hazar> it's on
[02:32] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Can you get to a terminal (ctrl alt F1) when its out of range
[02:32] <Hazar> dunno what happened
[02:32] <Hazar> one sec
[02:33] <joscha_> sysrpl: dpkg -L doesn doesn't work on the .deb file. dpkg -L works on the datebase, where all informations about your installed software is saved
[02:33] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Running kde or gnome ?
[02:33] <easynintendo> hazar you might could re install your suse and choose your resolution and refresh at the end of the install process (if you hadnt been able to do anything in suse re installing wont hurt anything)
[02:33] <easynintendo> choosing 640 x 480  @ 60hz would work 100% for sure
[02:33] <easynintendo> on any monitor
[02:33] <easynintendo> so
[02:33] <sysrpl> joscha_: so how did you know it was known as pixeldemo in the database?
[02:34] <h3sp4wn_> Reinstalling is almost never necessary
[02:34] <joscha_> sysrpl: and in the database the name of the program is saved, not the filename it was installed with
[02:34] <danl> yakuake is the name... thanks
[02:34] <sysrpl> and not pixeldemo_1.0.524-1_i386 ?
[02:34] <easynintendo> no i know that, but it might be easier if he cant get any normal method to readily work
[02:34] <easynintendo> wait
[02:34] <joscha_> sysrpl: normaly the name which ich saved in the database is the first part of the filename
[02:34] <vem0m> anyone know of a decent bittorrent client i have tried azureus but uses too many resources....ktorrent didn't work with a tracker of mine and bittornado doesn't have IP filtering
[02:34] <easynintendo> he can boot into recovery mode using his suse CD
[02:34] <h3sp4wn_> If he is going to reinstall he may as well install kubuntu
[02:34] <easynintendo> and itll give hima  640 x 480 @60hz console
[02:34] <Hazar> lawl
[02:34] <Hazar> it worked before
[02:34] <Hazar> but I was installing the ati drivers
[02:34] <sysrpl> so to unitnstall i don't need the deb package?
[02:34] <Hazar> and rand this config scrip
[02:35] <Hazar> and then it set it out of range
[02:35] <easynintendo> ah the ati drivers screwed you
[02:35] <joscha_> sysrpl: normaly the filename is <packagename>_<version>-<packageversion>.deb
[02:35] <Hazar> yeah
[02:35] <Hazar> I was trying to get the xgl thing to work
[02:35] <h3sp4wn_> No the script probable messed it up
[02:35] <easynintendo> yea, can he recover it?
[02:35] <easynintendo> hazar
[02:35] <easynintendo> use your suse install CD
[02:35] <sysrpl> i can just do sudo -r pixeldemo to unistall?
[02:35] <easynintendo> to boot into recovery mode
[02:35] <easynintendo> its one of the options
[02:35] <sysrpl> uninstall
[02:35] <joscha_> sysrpl: correct
[02:35] <easynintendo> then youll get a working console
[02:35] <easynintendo> :)
[02:35] <Hazar> I can't get any monitor output yet
[02:35] <sysrpl> ty!
[02:35] <easynintendo> oh
[02:36] <easynintendo> then it might be your monitor
[02:36] <Hazar> dunno if my vid card is borked
[02:36] <easynintendo> if its not working at all
[02:36] <Hazar> or that
[02:36] <h3sp4wn_> If xgl is installed it will almost certainly have messed alot of stuff up
[02:36] <vem0m> anyone?
[02:36] <sysrpl> how does pixel look to you?
[02:36] <easynintendo> try the monitor on another machine
[02:36] <easynintendo> if it still doesnt work ur video card is fried
[02:36] <easynintendo> i mean if it works
[02:36] <easynintendo> if it doesnt work then its the monitor
[02:36] <Hazar> yer
[02:36] <joscha_> dpkg --help will give you more informations on what u can do with all the debs...
[02:36] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: Can you get the bios screen ?
[02:37] <joscha_> sysrpl: look nice, but nothing for me... i prefer opensource software
[02:37] <sensei> How much does pixel look ?
[02:37] <sensei> Cost*
[02:37] <sysrpl> i prefer open source too
[02:37] <joscha_> 32$ according to the web-page
[02:37] <sysrpl> but this looks so much better than any open source image editor
[02:38] <joscha_> sysrpl: tried krita?
[02:38] <sysrpl> no
[02:38] <sensei> Tried gimp?
[02:38] <vem0m> so none has recomendations?
[02:38] <sysrpl> i've tried gimp
[02:39] <sysrpl> the ui is a big part of any image editor i want to use
[02:39] <sensei> vem0m: For what ? Haven't been following
[02:39] <vem0m> anyone know of a decent bittorrent client i have tried azureus but uses too many resources....ktorrent didn't work with a tracker of mine and bittornado doesn't have IP filtering
[02:39] <omeow> vem0m: Opera.
[02:39] <sensei> For me it's features.. I can learn any UI, but I prefer to not code my own functionality
[02:39] <vem0m> for bittorrent?
[02:39] <joscha_> sysrpl: u should have a look on krita, its still a bit buggy and far from finish
[02:39] <sensei> ctorrent
[02:39] <usp8riot> someone having a prob with pixel32? me too
[02:40] <usp8riot> i get a totally blank window
[02:40] <vem0m> it needs to have ip filtering
[02:40] <omeow> http://opera.com/products/desktop/
[02:40] <sensei> There's a python torrent client as well
[02:40] <sysrpl> and i am used to the pixel/photoshop/paintshop ui design with layer palletes and tool palletes and a tool option window based on whatever tool you have selected
[02:40] <h3sp4wn_> rtorrent but it will still probably have problems with some trackers (as does ctorrent)
[02:40] <sensei> pytorrent I *think*, but a simple google on torrent client python or whatever should do it
[02:40] <Hazar> its the video card people
[02:40] <Hazar> :\
[02:40] <Hazar> 9800 pro, that I added a custom cooler to even :\
[02:41] <joscha_> sysrpl: krita is already installed on kubuntu 6.06... just have a look
[02:41] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: So you can't even get the bios screen ?
[02:41] <sysrpl> and pixel is designed with a toolkit i have 10 years work on
[02:41] <Hazar> no
[02:41] <sysrpl> okay
[02:41] <Hazar> no display at all
[02:41] <Hazar> but it works on my 7800gt on this comp
[02:41] <omeow> (opera currently has some serious problems with their modeling agency so they had to hire drug addicts from the street)
[02:41] <Hazar> as dual display lawlz
[02:41] <sysrpl> checking out krita now
[02:41] <McScruff> are ubuntuforums.org down?
[02:42] <h3sp4wn_> yeo
[02:42] <easynintendo> hazar
[02:42] <easynintendo> did you get any help?
[02:42] <Hazar> well, it's a bit beyond help now
[02:42] <Hazar> video card died I think
[02:42] <h3sp4wn_> He needs #hardware or something
[02:42] <Hazar> I'll check it later
[02:42] <Hazar> lawl
[02:42] <easynintendo> oh
[02:42] <sensei> omeow: Huh?
[02:42] <easynintendo> ok
[02:43] <Hazar> what I really need is #someonebuymenewhardware
[02:43] <omeow> (sensei: http://opera.com/products/desktop/  the model on the left)
[02:43] <h3sp4wn_> Hazar: You need to fix it if it is possible
[02:44] <Hazar> lol, I'll try
[02:44] <sysrpl> joscha_: ty again for the krita tip ... it has the kind of UI i am accostumed to in an image editor
[02:44] <Hazar> but it's not imperative
[02:44] <h3sp4wn_>  Hazar: I would never use a script to install videocard drivers
[02:44] <Hazar> my linux machine was just kind of all my spare parts
[02:45] <sensei> omeow: What about her? :)
[02:45] <sysrpl> it has a few issues i already noticed though
[02:45] <sensei> She looks like a drug addict ?
[02:45] <omeow> Read my earlier line again. =P
[02:45] <omeow> (*hopes it's not sensei's sister)
[02:45] <McScruff> im trying to stream from gamespot, it opens kaffeine to play it and kaffeine says no plugin to handle it
[02:45] <sensei> I do agree, it's a less compelling picture
[02:45] <sensei> Hehe no
[02:45] <sensei> Especially the way it's cut
[02:46] <sensei> I know one of the webmasters on Opera tho, I'll give him hell for that one :)
[02:46] <candice> Alright, I've just changed root's password, but kdesu is still telling me it's incorrect.
[02:46] <sensei> (unless it's his sister)
[02:46] <omeow> haha
[02:46] <omeow> You should see their intro page. It's horrible. (Flash anim and all)
[02:46] <omeow> http://opera.com/
[02:46] <omeow> "Trendy" people that are just wrong.
[02:47] <candice> Anyone know how to make kdesu get a clue about who's boss?
[02:47] <sensei> Remember that they're a money making company just like any
[02:47] <uuuubsd> opera sux
[02:47] <sensei> And believe it or not, it's not us geeks they make their money on :)
[02:47] <omeow> (the "guy" with sunglasses is a girl in the anim :L)
[02:47] <omeow> for what reason, vem0m?
[02:48] <uuuubsd> opera has poor UI, not support DCOM, doesn't render page correctly
[02:48] <vem0m> its slow and buggy and they tried to sell it when its based on somthing that is better as free(mosilla) and is as bad with spyware ETc as IE for windows
[02:49] <vem0m> mozilla*
[02:49] <omeow> hahah
[02:49] <sensei> uuuubsd: It does render correctly, it's web programmers that's not programming correctly
[02:49] <omeow> I'm not even going to argue with that.
[02:49] <omeow> lata d00dz
[02:49] <sensei> vem0m: Spyware? Forget it man
[02:49] <uuuubsd> yes why would anyone want to pay for it(opera) when there's something free and better(mozilla)
[02:50] <sensei> uuuubsd: Because you can't run mozilla everywhere
[02:50] <sensei> As I said, us geeks aren't their primary market
[02:50] <vem0m> sensei: yes yes u can
[02:50] <uuuubsd> who is then
[02:50] <vem0m> sensei:  u gotta compile it and its open source unlike opera
[02:51] <sensei> uuuubsd: They focus on the embedded market
[02:51] <sensei> vem0m: gl hf running mozilla on a 2mb handheld
[02:51] <uuuubsd> so good luck to them then i don't care about commercial embed market
[02:51] <vem0m> hehe i wouldn't want to run any internet on a handheld with that small memory
[02:51] <sensei> Then don't condemn it
[02:52] <sensei> It doesn't 'suck' just because it doesn't do exactly what you want
[02:52] <sensei> Heck, I wanna ride a bike, does that make porche suck?
[02:52] <vem0m> they captilize on others work and make it worse with bugs
[02:52] <uuuubsd> it doesn't rock because it only does your job
[02:52] <sensei> Eh, what kind of reasoning is that ?
[02:53] <sensei> "This client does what it's supposed to do damn well, but it doesn't do what I want, hence it sucks".. great thinking
[02:53] <uuuubsd> like, you like eating apple, does this mean apple is the best fruit?
[02:53] <joscha_> sysrpl: do you know which toolkit is used in pixel?
[02:53] <sensei> Poor analogy. Apple is the best fruit for people who NEED to eat apple
[02:53] <vem0m> mozilla is good and should be free not sold as a buggy browser bottom line
[02:53] <sensei> Such as those with 2mb handhelds
[02:54] <vem0m> 2mb handhelds should not be on internet as everysite is at least 2x bigger then thier memory bank
[02:54] <uuuubsd> lets talk about 128KB handheld, can opera run on it? no..
[02:55] <h3sp4wn_> My mobile phone can use opera-mini if it needs to pretty well
[02:55] <sensei> Do they even do outwards communication other than IR ? o.O
[02:55] <vem0m> lol
[02:56] <sensei> I do however refuse to engage in a debate regarding which devices belongs on the internet or not :)
[02:56] <vem0m> i mean a site uses alot more then 2mb to even load cache, cookies, imgs, etc and ur browser and other crap taking space means very little space to do anythign so hence if u got that small of a handheld its your ownfault for trying to access the web
[02:56] <h3sp4wn_> It can use html pages (it only has 4.5mb of flash altogether) but if I need it I can use it
[02:57] <h3sp4wn_> vem0m: You are wrong
[02:57] <vem0m> i said SITE not feed
[02:57] <h3sp4wn_> opera mini allows me to look at any site on a phone
[02:57] <h3sp4wn_> Never run out of memory yet
[02:57] <ubuntu> anyone know why i would suddenly have a password dialog popup at ubuntuforums?
[02:58] <vem0m> yes but i can do that with my phones browser
[02:58] <vem0m> forums are down
[02:58] <ubuntu> oic. thanks.
[02:58] <ubuntu> thought i had hosed my install. heh
[02:58] <CzarAlex`> If I want to install ubuntu and dual boot an existing windowsXP installation, do I want the Desktop CD or the Alternate Install CD? The XP installation is on a separate hard drive from the one the ubuntu install will go on.
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> Either
[03:02] <vem0m> my point is they are injustly charging ppl for something that is free and are like microsoft they add bugs trying to improve an already fully functional better browser base that is my point
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> They are not charging people for anything
[03:02] <vem0m> they used to charge for opera
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> They don't now
[03:02] <uuuubsd> totally agree with vem0m
[03:02] <CzarAlex`> h3sp4wn_, was that `Either` in response to my question?
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> Yes
[03:02] <CzarAlex`> h3sp4wn_, thanky.
[03:02] <sensei> That's a while ago, and the mozilla relics are more or less gone anyways
[03:02] <sensei> The share plugin support, but that's in the interest of users, not money making I suppose
[03:02] <vem0m> but its still BAAAD
[03:02] <vem0m> no its always based on mozilla
[03:02] <sensei> Haha you have yet to come with a valid argument
[03:02] <h3sp4wn_> They are the only people really innovating
[03:02] <vem0m> i have come with 3 valid ones
[03:02] <vem0m> whats innovation bugs?
[03:02] <vem0m> leave me out of it
[03:02] <uuuubsd> opera always try to meet what mozilla can do, DCOM, CSS..
[03:02] <sensei> Always based on mozilla? :O
[03:02] <vem0m> yep has since the start they never coded thier own base
[03:02] <uuuubsd> opera claim it can do this and that, but never so
[03:02] <sensei> Yeah, I'm sure opera implemented CSS because mozilla did it first
[03:02] <sensei> And yeah, of course it was mozilla inventing CSS
[03:02] <uuuubsd> you are in an opersource software channel, sensei, stop talking about a commercial, market driven software..
[03:02] <vem0m> they copy and add bugs to the mozilla core code
[03:02] <vem0m> lol
[03:03] <serenity> how can i add chmod +x ~/.Xauthority to my kubuntu startup?
[03:03] <sensei> vem0m: Okay, now *that* statement requires some backup
[03:03] <vem0m> ok run 9.0 opera there is all the backup needed heck run 8.1
[03:03] <joscha_> opera is based on mozilla?
[03:03] <vem0m> yep
[03:03] <joscha_> sure?
[03:03] <sensei> vem0m: Adding bugs to mozilla core code?
[03:04] <uuuubsd> compare opera to mozilla is like comparing windows media player to mplayer
[03:04] <vem0m> yep trying to fix what is not need be fixed
[03:04] <sensei> vem0m: But at the end of the day, isn't it up to the mozilla people to accept the suggested changes?
[03:04] <candice> Alright, I need a little help here.
[03:04] <vem0m> yes they keep it light bug free and FREE
[03:05] <vem0m> candice: whats up?
[03:05] <sensei> And if this is the case (which I will doubt endlessly until you back it up with a reliable source), doesn't that mean that they give back to the community you claim (without proof) that they're stealing from ?
[03:05] <joscha_> opera is a older then mozilla, how can it be based on mozilla?
[03:05] <sensei> vem0m: Opera is still free
[03:05] <sensei> joscha_: That's pure bull
[03:05] <uuuubsd> joscha_ you on crak or something?
[03:05] <candice> vem0m: I've changed root's password.su recognized the new one, but sudo and kdesu don't.
[03:05] <vem0m> operas own browser is the reliable(well unreliable) source
[03:05] <vem0m> ehhhhhhhh hmmm
[03:05] <vem0m> u chang it in KDE?
[03:05] <usp8riot> does anyone here use opera? and is there media plugins for opera on linux?
[03:05] <sensei> vem0m: So you recognize mozilla code just by running opera?
[03:06] <andrew__> ive just tried setting my mx1000 up using the guide on the wiki and the back and fwd keys dont work
[03:06] <vem0m> its on thier info page!
[03:06] <andrew__> anyone?
[03:06] <usp8riot> i tried opera today and it seems like a great browser other than the interface is pretty busy
[03:06] <sensei> vem0m: What is ?
[03:06] <candice> vem0m: Yeah, through System Settings> Users & Groups.
[03:06] <vem0m> use firefox
[03:06] <joscha_> Opera began in 1994 as a research project at Telenor, the largest Norwegian telecommunications company. (wikipedia)
[03:06] <vem0m> i dunno why not sorry :(
[03:06] <uuuubsd> firefox has extensions, opera has any?
[03:06] <joscha_> the mozilla source was released about the year 98?
[03:07] <candice> That's alright. Anyone else have a clue?
[03:07] <vem0m> yes then they used mozilla core code it is mozilla just crap
[03:07] <sensei> hah
[03:07] <candice> Or maybe I should come online when people aren't arguing about browser preference.
[03:07] <sensei> vem0m: Give me the url
[03:07] <vem0m> lol
[03:07] <vem0m> look into the info inside the browser!
[03:07] <vem0m> its all right there
[03:07] <serenity> how can i add chmod +x ~/.Xauthority to my kubuntu startup?
[03:08] <vem0m> anyways i am thu debating the sad truth to ppl who do not want to hear whats really going on CONVO OVER!
[03:08] <sensei> Info inside the browser?
[03:08] <joscha_> opera:about doesn't give any clue on mozilla
[03:08] <joscha_> just openssl, zlib,...
[03:09] <andrew__> anone know when kubuntu forums will be back?
[03:09] <sensei> Hah, I've never heard or seen anyone claim so much, and so much rubbish without being able to even back it up just the slightest
[03:09] <uuuubsd> yes forget it, vem0m, they not gonna face it anyway, bunch of losers they are
[03:09] <ucordes> can any body tell me how i can manage cpu speed?
[03:09] <vem0m> wow uses same interface as mozilla? hehe wow thats enough right there anyways last word on it use the paid crap
[03:09] <sensei> IT'S FREE GODDAMNIT!
[03:09] <candice> Too bad I've run out of shut up tickets for today.
[03:09] <sensei> Stop using the 'cost money' argment already
[03:10] <joscha_> its only free as in beer
[03:10] <vem0m> chill its not its closed propriety i don't count that as free i count that as waiting for a less buggy version to start charging again no more on the topic comes from em
[03:10] <sensei> vem0m: You said 'paid crap' implying not free as in free beer
[03:11] <uuuubsd> it doesn't matter, it's still not open source and not freely distributed as mozilla/firefox
[03:11] <h3sp4wn_> It isn't buggy it just conforms to standards
[03:11] <candice> For everyone's sake, will you guys just stop caring already?
[03:11] <vem0m> lol i am iggy listing ppl
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> What isn't?
[03:11] <vem0m> so no more from me
[03:11] <h3sp4wn_> Opera
[03:11] <sensei> vem0m: No wonder..
[03:11] <ucordes> how can i set my cou core speed? like with acpi
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, Opera isn't open-source, even if it's now in the Ubuntu repos. Regardless, it's a fine browser. :)
[03:12] <candice> Konqueror works for me. No reason for a specialized app.
[03:12] <sensei> ucordes: You mean as in twiddling with /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ ?
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: I rather like Flock, but whatever floats your boat. :)
[03:13] <joscha_> opera uses Qt, firefox GTK+
[03:13] <candice> CheeseBurgerMan: No idea what Flock is. :P
[03:13] <joscha_> thats a point for opera ;)
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: http://flock.com :P
[03:13] <vem0m> i use firefox :)
[03:13] <uuuubsd> firefox doesn't have to use gtk
[03:13] <sensei> Personally I couldn't care less which browser anyone else uses, it's the flat out preposterous and somewhat funny arguments that 'bothers' me
[03:14] <uuuubsd> you can recompile firefox without gtk, cuz it's open source, but with opera, you have to use qt no matter you like or not
[03:14] <candice> Finally! Someone who says "couldn't care less" correctly! :D
[03:14] <uuuubsd> because opera is closed source
[03:14] <sensei> uuuubsd: Yeah, I usually chose my browser for the capability of compiling it against another tk
[03:14] <joscha_> uuuubsd: that is clear... but you can't compile firefox with Qt either ;)
[03:14] <vem0m> YaY
[03:15] <sensei> And you complain over operas UI.. Yeah, ff looks soo nice without gtk
[03:15] <sensei> So, which way is it ?
[03:15] <joscha_> i use konqui and sometimes ff and opera, it doesn't matter
[03:16] <candice> joscha_ is a very smart individual.
[03:16] <candice> Still no solution to my root problem. Gonna try rebooting.
[03:16] <joscha_> but saying opera steels the sourcecode from firefox is simply not true
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: What problem?
[03:17] <uuuubsd> that's the point, we don't know what source code it "steels" from
[03:17] <uuuubsd> but mozilla's development is more transparent
[03:17] <OOD> it's 'steals" btw ;)
[03:18] <andrew__> is there even a plural of 'steel'?
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Steel
[03:18] <sensei> uuuubsd: You don't know what source code they steal.. but you know THAT they steal ?
[03:18] <joscha_> uuuubsd: who guarantes that nobody in possesion of operas sourcecode comited parts of it in mozilla?
[03:18] <andrew__> yeah i meant but not like 'steals'
[03:18] <andrew__> er
[03:18] <andrew__> 'steels'
[03:19] <uuuubsd> my friend who works in opera told me it steals code bit by bit from everywhere
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> andrew__: 'Steel' is like 'Deer'. The same word is singular and plural. For example: Two pieces of steel were embedded in concrete
[03:19] <joscha_> opera renders pages complety different than ff or konquoror
[03:19] <andrew__> CheeseBurgerMan: figured
[03:19] <sensei> uuuubsd: Okay, this is interesting.. I know two people at Opera. Give me your friends name, and I'll check that out.
[03:19] <joscha_> uuuubsd: it "steals" code from openssl, thats true and legal.
[03:20] <sensei> Give me his name or forever stf*
[03:20] <uuuubsd> why should i give out privacy, friend is friend
[03:20] <uuuubsd> you don't believe me, end of convo
[03:20] <sensei> Privacy? It's his professional job. Has nothing to do with privacy.
[03:20] <uuuubsd> it's not like i'm trying to prove anything
[03:21] <joscha_> cause u can't prove anything ;)
[03:21] <uuuubsd> no need to do so
[03:21] <vem0m> lmfao
[03:21] <sensei> And, as you probably already know, having friends at opera etc, they work in teams there, so his supervisor most likely already knows. So no worries there
[03:21] <vem0m> leave it be they just love to bait
[03:21] <vem0m> hence i am blocking a few ppl :P
[03:21] <vem0m> if i don't see what they say no bait to be taken
[03:22] <OOD> how do you block?
[03:22] <sensei>  /ignore nick
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> /ignore <nick> should work
[03:22] <andrew__> ok enough opera shit figure out why my friggen back forward doesn;t work on my mx1000
[03:22] <joscha_> /ignore <nick>
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> darn
[03:22] <OOD> thanks
[03:22] <sponix> Inst bind9 (1:9.3.2-2ubuntu1 Ubuntu:6.06/dapper) --> shutdown/reboot scripts hang, the system itself will still switch virtual consoles, but it doesn't let me type, or respond to anything
[03:22] <vem0m> lol
[03:22] <OOD> which repository is opera in?
[03:23] <andrew__> i typed this w?/xvkbd
[03:23] <sponix> OOD:  one sec, I'll get it
[03:23] <jimmy__> sup ya'll
[03:23] <crimsun> sponix: any OOPS/panic in dmesg?
[03:23] <h3sp4wn_> OOD: You can just get the deb from opera.com
[03:23] <sponix> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ unstable non-free
[03:23] <sponix> # deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[03:23] <crimsun> that's old.
[03:23] <crimsun> Use http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/opera/
[03:24] <joscha_> is this a dynamical linked version? the version from opera.com is static
[03:24] <OOD> nice
[03:24] <sponix> crimsun:  didn't look there, I can grep the logs, but chances are dmesg is already written over
[03:24] <crimsun> or: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[03:24] <jimmy__> anyone here know their stuff?
[03:24] <h3sp4wn_> joscha: Its not or wasn't for me (5 mins ago)
[03:24] <sponix> crimsun:  is yours better? its the actual ubuntu company, instead of opera comp aye ;)
[03:24] <jimmy__> I got something that has stumped everyone I know
[03:24] <joscha_> its not dynamic ot its not static? ;)
[03:25] <jimmy__> but it seems simple
[03:25] <h3sp4wn_> opera_9.0-20060616.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb
[03:25] <joscha_> ah thanks, then i should upgrade the next days
[03:26] <jimmy__> being a nebiw I cant really help anyone think though, my specialty is windows
[03:26] <joscha_> windows? whats that? ;)
[03:26] <jimmy__> lol
[03:26] <gemidjy> hole in the wall
[03:26] <jimmy__> I broke mine
[03:26] <gemidjy> protected with glass, afaik
[03:27] <joscha_> apt-get install windows doesn't work for me ;)
[03:27] <sensei> jimmy__: So what is your problem?
[03:27] <jimmy__> just installed kubuntu
[03:27] <candice> Well, that didn't do much. :/
[03:28] <sensei> Yeah, major crisis ;)
[03:28] <vem0m> kubuntu rock(i love KDE!)
[03:28] <jimmy__> everything works perfect from where I am sitting
[03:28] <jimmy__> except....
[03:28] <sensei> If it wasn't for that KDE stole code from the leaked windows 2000 code :/
[03:28] <RawSewage> joscha_,  it's  sudo apt-get install windows-desktop
[03:28] <jimmy__> I have a 4" black border on my screen
[03:29] <candice> jimmy__: Are you using an LCD monitor?
[03:29] <joscha_> RawSewage: in which repo can i find windows-desktop? doesn't work for me either
[03:29] <jimmy__> I feel like I'm looking through a port hole at you guys
[03:29] <RawSewage> joscha_, lol
[03:29] <jimmy__> yes (on a laptop)
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> joscha_: deb http://ubuntu.com/main/restricted/w/what-are-you-thinking/
[03:30] <candice> jimmy__: Same thing happened to a friend of mine. It's probably just because you're using a smaller screen resolution than that of the monitor.
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:30] <jimmy__> like a big black picture frame
[03:30] <candice> jimmy__: Are you able to increase the resolution?
[03:30] <joscha_> jimmy__: strg + alt
[03:30] <jimmy__> nope
[03:31] <joscha_> jimmy__: strg + alt + "+"
[03:31] <joscha_> does this help?
[03:31] <jimmy__> strg?
[03:31] <joscha_> oh sorry
[03:31] <joscha_> ctrl
[03:31] <candice> strg?
[03:31] <sensei> ctrl
[03:31] <candice> Haha.
[03:31] <jimmy__> lol
[03:31] <joscha_> strg on german keyboards
[03:31] <jimmy__> ahh
[03:31] <sponix> crimsun:  no errors that I can tell in dmesg or my /var/log/all.log (logs _everything_ from syslog) ... do you have bind9 installed currently ?
[03:31] <crimsun> sponix: no.
[03:32] <sponix> crimsun:  darn, it would be nice to find someone else with the same scripts, I can probably just rewrite them, and change kill to kill -9 on the PID and make them work though :P
[03:32] <candice> Well, just in case anyone who knows came online while I was gone...
[03:33] <candice> Sudo and kdesu aren't recognizing my new root password, but su is. What's the deal?
[03:33] <sponix> crimsun:  wine OSS gives me a issue with a error also, but its low priority imho ;)
[03:33] <jimmy__> do I have to use that command in konsole?
[03:33] <h3sp4wn_> candice: So you set a password for root and then you are trying to use that password with sudo ?
[03:34] <joscha_> jimmy__: just press all 3 buttons at the same time: ctrl alt "+"
[03:34] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Yeah, and kdesu. Kdesu is more important, though.
[03:34] <jimmy__> 1917 possibilities
[03:34] <candice> Do those not use the root account?
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> sudo & kdesu are set to use your user password. I would imagine that if you compiled your own KDE then kdesu would work 'properly'.
[03:34] <h3sp4wn_> candice: No they use your ordinary password (in kubuntu)
[03:35] <jimmy__>  I get nothing
[03:35] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Crap... then how can I get root access to programs from someone else's account?
[03:35] <candice> I'm trying to make this work for my mother, you see.
[03:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: Use that user's password...
[03:35] <joscha_> candice: do you hace several user accounts?
[03:36] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Put her into the admin group
[03:36] <GullyFoyle>  /quit
[03:36] <GullyFoyle> oops
[03:36] <OOD> why bothere typing quit when you can just click the X :D
[03:37] <usp8riot> anyone familiar with FIR filters?
[03:37] <candice> CheeseBurgerMan: Problem is, I don't have another user set up yet, and I don't want to keep asking for her to type her password for me.
[03:37] <candice> joscha_: I think that also answeres your question. In short: no.
[03:37] <jimmy__> any one else have a clue?
[03:37] <usp8riot> i'm looking for a good sound processor for xmms
[03:37] <lucas_> how can i get a list of all the multiverse packages?
[03:37] <joscha_> candice: check if the user is in the group admin
[03:37] <candice> h3sp4wn: What exactly will that do?
[03:37] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Any user in admin can do sudo or kdesu
[03:38] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Ah, including root, yes?
[03:38] <jimmy__> from my research just about any distro has the same prob
[03:38] <joscha_> with root-password (if set) or with user-password (if root password is not set)
[03:38] <h3sp4wn_> candice: root should already be able to use sudo but you shouldn't login as root
[03:38] <candice> h3sp4wn_: I didn't. I don't think I can, anyway.
[03:39] <candice> h3sp4wn_: What I'm looking for is to be able to use the root password in kdesu while logged in as someone else.
[03:39] <lucas_> h3sp4wn_: how can i get a list of all the multiverse packages?
[03:39] <joscha_> candice: do you have set a root password
[03:39] <jimmy__> brb, fixing baby boddle
[03:40] <joscha_> sudo passwd root
[03:40] <candice> joscha_: Yeah.
[03:40] <larson9999> hmm, this site i've going to now wants me to give it a pw.  would someone try it to see if it works for them?  it's the ubuntu forum.  it used to let me read without logging in.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[03:41] <joscha_> candice: mmmmh that works for me
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> joscha_: OK, run 'kdesu kate', type the root password in, and see what happens.
[03:41] <lucas_> h3sp4wn_: found out
[03:41] <joscha_> woa
[03:41] <vem0m> kdesu never worked well for me i always use sudo kate
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Hmm, not working for me either.
[03:42] <joscha_> it really doesn't work ;)
[03:42] <vem0m> lol
[03:42] <vem0m> sudo kate works for me
[03:42] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: ok.  then it's not me.  it usually is just me.
[03:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: hehe, not this time. :P
[03:43] <joscha_> candice: did you try to logoff on on already?
[03:43] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: they must be having some problems.
[03:43] <jimmy__> ok back
[03:43] <jimmy__> need help
[03:43] <candice> joscha_: Yeah, I did. Had to bug my mother again for her password to log on. :P
[03:43] <vem0m> ok whats up?
[03:43] <larson9999> what did i do to get all those ch nicks to popup?
[03:43] <jimmy__> laptop with a 6" screen
[03:43] <vem0m> SMALL
[03:43] <vem0m> :P
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> candice: Can't you just run the apps from the terminal after running 'su'?
[03:44] <jimmy__> kubuntu won let me use the rest of the screen
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: you type 'ch' and then press Tab.
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> It will then give a box with all the nicks that start with 'Ch'
[03:44] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Just get her to run sudo -i - and then make a new user
[03:44] <vem0m> jimmy__:  elaborate
[03:45] <jimmy__> ok
[03:45] <candice> h3sp4wn_: And I'll  be able to use that user's password with kdesu?
[03:45] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: oh, i guess i've always typed in at 3 char.  that's hard to believe though
[03:45] <jimmy__> live cd looked beautiful. I loved it I wanted it
[03:45] <vem0m> jimmy__:  did u run xf86config
[03:45] <jimmy__> I installed it
[03:45] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: been using this chat client for 2 years or so.
[03:45] <h3sp4wn_> candice: When you are logged in as that user
[03:46] <jimmy__> konsole?
[03:46] <h3sp4wn_> candice: If that user is in admin
[03:46] <vem0m> jimmy__:  u might need to configure X11 by running that command
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> larson9999: Dang, that's one of the coolest features of IRC.
[03:46] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Well, that's a lot simple than I expected. I was thinking I'd have to keep using the original user's password. :P
[03:46] <jimmy__> I'm new, but I learn fast
[03:46] <vem0m> jimmy__: yes then u will need to reboot to check settings
[03:46] <candice> Well, there's my answer. Thanks guys, and sorry for the confusion. :P
[03:46] <vem0m> jimmy__: with that program u can set ur settings
[03:46] <larson9999> CheeseBurgerMan: do other clients do that, too?  and how long has that been in use?  i've been on irc since the mid 90's
[03:47] <jimmy__> I just that command?
[03:47] <h3sp4wn_> candice: As your mum's user run 'groups' and make sure the new user you create is in all of those
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> CheeseBurgerMan: Yeah, all clients that I've seen have done it. Not sure how long it's been there, but since I've been on IRC (which was about a year ago)
[03:47] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Got it. Doing now...
[03:48] <vem0m> jimmy__:  goto konsole type sudo xf86config go thu and configure settings then reboot after ur done and hope for the best
[03:49] <jimmy__> cool doing it now
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> xf86config?  Sounds like it'll only work if you have XFree86  instead of X11.
[03:49] <candice> h3sp4wn_: Every group except "candice", I'll assume?
[03:49] <jimmy__> talk about a crash course in linux
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> At least, it doesn't work for me.
[03:49] <larson9999> heck, i think my first nicke was stlouism23. using the same convention my nick would be stlouism39.  has irc been that long?  it was long enough that to play backgammon on irc, it was text mode.
[03:49] <vem0m> yea but it works for me
[03:49] <h3sp4wn_> candice: Yep
[03:49] <vem0m> so its worth a try u tell it to save over ur current X11 config file
[03:50] <vem0m> i mean on first boot with any distro i have a small monitor so i have to run it to fix the setting to get into the desktop to do anything but it works
[03:50] <joscha_> X11 autoconfiguration in (k)ubuntu is a bit buggy... anybody knows why it sets up a wacom tablet on all of my pcs?
[03:51] <vem0m> as X11 sets it to to high of a resoltuion hence i need fix it lol it sucks but i am fine after first time fixing it
[03:51] <sensei> In case you got one ? :)
[03:51] <vem0m> not sure joscha_
[03:51] <candice> Alright, testing. If all goes well, you'll see me as "sabaal" in a few minutes.
[03:51] <vem0m> incase u set one up? :P
[03:51] <h3sp4wn_> CheeseBurgerMan: xorgcfg is removed from debian / ubuntu dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the only way to do it
[03:52] <pickledbushman> molweni umfaazi:P
[03:52] <vem0m> h3sp4wn_:  not true i use xf86config
[03:52] <vem0m> :P
[03:53] <vem0m> brb
[03:53] <larson9999> can't you just edit xorg.conf?
[03:54] <h3sp4wn_> dpkg -S xf86config dpkg: *xf86config* not found. - vem0m: I doubt you do or which package is it in ?
[03:54] <jimmy__> sudo xf86config = command not found
[03:55] <milkspank> anyone know abou the 'no ipv6 routers present' notice in my dmesg? I can't connect to eth0 it seems
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: Yeah, that's what I got. Do as h3sp4wn_ suggested and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' instead.
[03:57] <jimmy__> k
[03:58] <joscha_> gn8
[04:01] <jimmy__> QUESTION
[04:01] <jimmy__> BUS IDENTIFIER
[04:01] <jimmy__> ?
[04:01] <jimmy__> USE DEFALT?
[04:01] <vem0m> back
[04:02] <h3sp4wn_> jimmy__: Yes
[04:03] <jimmy__> Thanx
[04:04] <TalentedChimp> i've installed all the Korean language support files I can find and still workgroup and computer names are displayed like ""
[04:10] <jimmy__> IMPS/2  <-------  is that the touch pad?
[04:11] <jimmy__> kubuntu configuration is asking me way too many questions
[04:12] <jimmy__> only had one day of linux
[04:12] <jimmy__> never thought I would have to get this deep to get my screen working
[04:13] <jimmy__> hello?
[04:13] <jimmy__> vem0m
[04:13] <jimmy__> you busy?
[04:18] <vem0m> jimmy__:  whats up?
[04:18] <vem0m> sorry was afk
[04:19] <jimmy__> no prob
[04:19] <jimmy__> questions in this config thing
[04:19] <vem0m> ok shoot
[04:19] <jimmy__> konsole
[04:20] <jimmy__> I am using mostly defalt answers
[04:20] <vem0m> ok....
[04:20] <vem0m> what can i help u with?
[04:20] <jimmy__> it asked me if my monitor talked back and communicated with the computer
[04:21] <jimmy__> then asked for a auto detect
[04:21] <vem0m> hehe if not u'd be screwed
[04:21] <jimmy__> i said ok
[04:21] <vem0m> use auto
[04:21] <jimmy__> it used the 'whole screen'
[04:21] <jimmy__> then went back to the small square
[04:22] <vem0m> hmmmmmm
[04:22] <vem0m> sounds like a resolution problem
[04:22] <jimmy__> I thought that was going to bring it back to working
[04:22] <jimmy__> now it wants me to name my screen
[04:23] <h3sp4wn_> !fixvideo
[04:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about fixvideo
[04:23] <h3sp4wn_> !fixvideoresolution
[04:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about fixvideoresolution
[04:23] <vem0m> heh it should if configured properly as i have no clue what computer model LCD etc that u have u have to basically be able to tell ppl that or figure it out to change it in that file
[04:23] <Hobbsee> !xcfg
[04:23] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:23] <vem0m> what resolution? as that might be the problem.....
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !fixvideo is <alias> xcfg
[04:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !fixvideoresolution is <alias> xcfg
[04:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[04:24] <Hobbsee> !resolution
[04:24] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:24] <Hobbsee> nice.
[04:24] <easynintendo> !fixvideo
[04:24] <jimmy__> well the wierd thing is it didnt ask me what kind of monitor it was
[04:24] <jimmy__> just to name it
[04:24] <jimmy__> I guess it knew it was a laptop screen?
[04:24] <h3sp4wn_> jimmy: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[04:25] <vem0m> hmmmmmmm i dunno dude i don't use a lappy sorry u might either ask in channel /join ubuntu and ask there or wait and post on forums when its back up and ask there
[04:25] <jimmy__> its now asking me what resolutions I want to use
[04:25] <vem0m> this sorry /join #ubuntu
[04:25] <jimmy__> thanx a ton dude
[04:27] <vem0m> np jimmy__ sorry i couldn't help more i am fairly new to linux myself but learning fast i mean i already know tons as i used harder distros b4 this one so this one is a walk in a sweet park :P
[04:28] <jimmy__> good to know
[04:32] <vem0m> FORUMS ARE BACK UP!
[04:32] <chx> hi. generally, what can be expected if I want to buy a new phone and use it as a modem for my Kubuntu laptop? I am a bit afraid as anything I look connects over USB...
[04:34] <usp8riot> anyone know what's happening? firefox starts up then quits in a blink. something about session manager is all i can read
[04:35] <SpAwN> hello....how can i restart the sound server.........i was looking at a webpage and now my speakers are bleeping
[04:35] <SpAwN> and wont stop
[04:35] <SpAwN> ive closd out of the web browser.....man is that sound annoying
[04:36] <usp8riot> have you turned off the system bell or turned it down in the mixer?
[04:36] <SpAwN> i turned my speakers off
[04:36] <SpAwN> and its not a bell....it sounds like a scratched cd
[04:37] <SpAwN> just skipping
 Is both processors appearing now ?
[04:37] <usp8riot> why not just restart?
[04:37] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: yes =D
[04:37] <SpAwN> usp8riot: restart what?
[04:37] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: with 686 kernel ?
[04:37] <usp8riot> linux
[04:37] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: yea
[04:37] <SpAwN> usp8riot: thats what windows users do
[04:38] <SpAwN> i bet if i can find out how to restart the sound server it will stop
[04:38] <usp8riot> i know, lol, i just converted this week
[04:38] <h3sp4wn_> SpAwN: sudo killall artsd
[04:38] <SpAwN> h3sp4wn_: nothing
[04:38] <SpAwN> still doin it
[04:39] <SpAwN> hey woow.....weird
[04:39] <melkor> I've heard a rumor that the doom.wad is now available for free, but I haven't foudn it yet
[04:40] <SpAwN> there was still running winex;s running from cedega.......
[04:40] <SpAwN> wonder why the web page caused it...
[04:40] <chx> http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux.html oooooh
[04:40] <chx> nice page.
[04:42] <lwizardl> hi
[04:42] <usp8riot> is there a tool to configure startup services in linux?
[04:43] <lwizardl> i can not get get the nvidia drivers working in 6.06
[04:45] <usp8riot> i'll help if i can lwizardl
[04:45] <lwizardl> ok
[04:46] <usp8riot> are you using apt-get?
[04:46] <bimberi> !bum
[04:46] <ubotu> Boot options: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:46] <bimberi> usp8riot: ^^^^^^^
[04:46] <lwizardl> i have tried both glx & glx-legacy and neither work
[04:47] <lwizardl> usp8riot: yes i've tried both apt-get & synapic
[04:48] <usp8riot> i'm a noob but someone helped me with it, i was having trouble. are you running a single monitor?
[04:49] <lwizardl> yes
[04:49] <usp8riot> also don't use the kde panel, as i was told, it seemed to mess my xorg.conf up
[04:49] <oomph> anyone here have experience getting wifi adapter to work on dell latitude 800 - my card is an intel think its mini pci
[04:49] <usp8riot> any way i can check out your xorg.conf file, lwizardl?
[04:50] <sotired> hello all
[04:50] <usp8riot> mine was really messed up when i configured
[04:50] <lwizardl> i did lspci | grep nVidia and got "a Host bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP (different version?) (rev a2)"
[04:50] <lwizardl> i removed the nvidia driver just now to redo it
[04:50] <sotired> is there a way to keep my mail on the server (not downlaod it) in kmail using my gmail account?
[04:51] <usp8riot> lwizardl: i got the same motherboard
[04:51] <lwizardl> sotired: i think imap leaves mail on server
[04:51] <sotired> i dont think gmail supports imap....
[04:51] <sotired> ill check
[04:51] <mossman> gmail supports imap as far as I remember
[04:51] <Hobbsee> mossman: not natively
[04:51] <mossman> pop3 for sure
[04:51] <sotired> so if i use imap it wont downlaod the mail?
[04:52] <sotired> no imap
[04:52] <Hobbsee> sotired: it will download the mail, and it will leave it on the server.  and if you delete locally, it auto deletes it on the server as well
[04:52] <lwizardl> imap downloads a copy of the mail but leaves the original on the server basically
[04:52] <uuuubsd> pop3 and imap are different mech
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: i think you're confusing yourself with pop3
[04:52] <Hobbsee> pop3 does the copy
[04:52] <uuuubsd> pop3 treat your mails as a mailbox, imap doesn't
[04:53] <sotired> i just dont want the mail on my box...i wan tto be able to use kmail just to see it
[04:53] <sotired> if thats even possible
[04:53] <mossman> gmail uses a differnet port for pop3..
[04:54] <mossman> port 995 I think
[04:54] <h3sp4wn_> gmail archives it anyway even if you download it via pop
[04:54] <Hobbsee> sotired: well, it will be on your box using imap, but if you delete it on your box, it'll be autodeleted by your mail server too
[04:54] <h3sp4wn_> At any time you can just enable pop for all mail and get a complete copy of everything ever sent to that account
[04:54] <lwizardl> usp8riot: ok so what driver you use ?
[04:55] <usp8riot> lwizardl: i just did a "
[04:55] <usp8riot> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:56] <actinic> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/41552-complete-guide-using-gmail-thunderbird-mozilla-mail-evolution-kmail.html <---gmail/kmail guide
[04:56] <mossman> sotierd.  config kmail to use pop3 with your gmail account...pop.gmail.com port 995  it will workl
[04:56] <usp8riot> lwizardl: and pretty much just used the defaults
[04:56] <mossman> I think you need to enable ssl too
[04:56] <lwizardl> k i did that before and kubuntu locked up after the nvidia screen
[04:56] <actinic> port 950
[04:57] <mossman> check at gmail.com/  fa1
[04:57] <mossman> er faq
[04:57] <usp8riot> lwizardl: have you tried "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to manually edit?
[04:58] <lwizardl> no not on 6.06
[04:58] <usp8riot> boot into safe mode
[04:58] <usp8riot> not safe mode but whatever linux calls it
[04:59] <usp8riot> if it makes you feel better knowing you're getting advice from a linux noob
[04:59] <mossman> nvidia is best built,  not installed
[05:00] <LittleMe> hi can I tell which network interface (eth0 or eth1) is my 3com or nForce?
[05:01] <uuuubsd> no you can't
[05:01] <uuuubsd> in bsd, you can
[05:01] <LittleMe> yeah in bsd it's nve0 and xl0 but kubuntu they are eth0 and eth1
[05:02] <lwizardl> i'm a newb also but i understand 5.10
[05:02] <mossman> eth0 has nothing to do with nforce
[05:02] <LittleMe> nforce has gbit ethernet controller
[05:03] <freewill> i can't get wine to list in my adept manager
[05:03] <lwizardl> i don't remember do i keep it listed as nv or change to nvidia
[05:03] <usp8riot> lwizardl: nvidia
[05:03] <mossman> change it to nvidia
[05:03] <LittleMe> nv is slower, nvidia is nvidia's driver
[05:04] <uuuubsd> nv is not slower, it just don't support 3D render
[05:04] <uuuubsd> nv is actually more stable than nvidia
[05:04] <lwizardl> ok let me restart x
[05:04] <LittleMe> ahh wow
[05:04] <Kevin_Jim> Pedia pios ehi to Filefly
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> i opos to lene telos padon
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> ???
[05:05] <LittleMe> Yesterday I did a benchmark of quake4 kubuntu vs pc-bsd (freebsd 6.1)
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> plz !!!
[05:05] <Kevin_Jim> someone
[05:05] <LittleMe> freebsd was 10% slower... not bad
[05:05] <LittleMe> that might just be the driver performance
[05:06] <Kevin_Jim> pedia kanis den to ehi ?
[05:06] <actinic> drag & dropped a doc file to desktop BUT the icon looks like crap.  How do I change it?
[05:07] <LittleMe> right click it and select 'properties'
[05:07] <eXCeSS> right click
[05:07] <actinic> ok
[05:07] <LittleMe> then click the icon graphic and pick a new one
[05:07] <eXCeSS> easy!
[05:07] <actinic> i did and no change
[05:07] <LittleMe> there are some nice icons on the internet - do some searching :)
[05:07] <actinic> it's actually a txt file
[05:08] <actinic> the icon i see in properties is a kwrite icon ...
[05:08] <usp8riot> or go to kde looks
[05:08] <actinic> prob is that kwrite icon isn't on the desktop
[05:08] <actinic> not easy!
[05:09] <roadrunner_> hey guys, have a question again. Anything using Flash in Firefox will not play sound. It did this to me the other day, so I just uninstalled and reinstalled. Now it is doing it to me again
[05:09] <roadrunner_> the problem is Firefox specific, as the same webpages work fine in Konqueror, and sound will play from my media player... any suggestions?
[05:09] <LittleMe> bring up a shell and type 'ls /dev/dsp*'
[05:09] <LittleMe> if you see more than one dsp entry, then that could be a problem
[05:10] <roadrunner_> roadrunner@roadrunner-desktop:~$ ls /dev/dsp
[05:10] <roadrunner_> /dev/dsp
[05:10] <LittleMe> My webcam has a microphone and kubuntu thinks its a soundcard sometimes..
[05:10] <roadrunner_> that's all it showed
[05:10] <LittleMe> only one?
[05:10] <LittleMe> ahh good
[05:10] <LittleMe> no, do a dsp* in the ls
[05:10] <Kevin_Jim> pedia bori kanis na bi edo : http://www.virbiage.com/products/
[05:10] <roadrunner_> yup... like I said, sound plays out of everything else, including another browser, just not in Firefox
[05:10] <LittleMe> ah
[05:11] <roadrunner_> ls /dev/dsp*     <-- Like that?
[05:11] <freewill> i can't get wine to list in my adept manager
[05:11] <roadrunner_> meh... that gave me the same output. Has anyone else had problems with their sound in Firefox?
[05:12] <dr_willis> >hic<
[05:13] <jimmy__> ven0m
[05:13] <LittleMe> roadrunner, try swiftfox
[05:13] <actinic> drag & dropped txt file to desktop but can't change the icon. i right clicked, went to properties, selected another ... nada.  Ideas?
[05:13] <jimmy__> Hey it worked bro
[05:13] <orient2000> Can anybody tell me what program should I use to listen .ram file from internet?
[05:13] <LittleMe> http://getswiftfox.com  - try that
[05:13] <jimmy__> a 1000 thank yous
[05:13] <LittleMe> orient - real player
[05:14] <orient2000> I do not have it is it somewhere in repositories or I have to get source file?
[05:14] <roadrunner_> LittleMe: what is swift fox?
[05:14] <LittleMe> automatix can install it for you.  search google for 'automatix'
[05:14] <LittleMe> an optimized Firefox
[05:15] <freewill> can any one tell me how to install wine?
[05:15] <roadrunner_> where can I get it?
[05:15] <LittleMe> I mean automatix can install real player for you
[05:15] <LittleMe> getswiftfox.com
[05:15] <actinic> automatix can install wine too
[05:15] <dr_willis> Automatix - ick
[05:15] <dr_willis> :)
[05:15] <actinic> but the purists don't like it :)
[05:15] <dr_willis> I just used to apt-get install wine
[05:15] <mossman> Automatix is sweet
[05:16] <dr_willis> sweet like tooth decay
[05:16] <chip42> lol
[05:16] <orient2000> wow I need to take a look at automatix thanks.
[05:16] <LittleMe> why do you say that?
[05:16] <dr_willis> Ive seen a great many peoplke have their systems totally messed up by automatix, then ya had the huge flamefest/war in the message boards and about automatix's licenisng.
[05:16] <actinic> automatix for kubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=203294&highlight=kubuntu
[05:16] <dr_willis>  :) enough for me to advise - stay away.. learn how to install the stuff manually
[05:17] <LittleMe> sometimes things don't install manually in linux for strange reasons
[05:18] <LittleMe> but real player isn't hard to do, i think
[05:18] <dr_willis> Somthing seesm odd with your logic. :P all automatix is - is a HUGe bash script. (i think its bash, not perl)
[05:18] <dr_willis> Not looked at it lately
[05:19] <actinic> you can run one script at a time
[05:19] <LittleMe> willis it's updated often - more than 1nce a week
[05:19] <actinic> no need to dl 20 app's at once
[05:20] <freewill> dr_willis: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17381
[05:20] <dr_willis> thats not some GoatSE paste is it :P
[05:21] <freewill> ?
[05:21] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: God is everywhere ........... even in the goatse man's ........
[05:21] <dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <freewill> can't i just somewhere get a url for a .deb of wine??
[05:22] <dr_willis> !wine
[05:22] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:23] <dr_willis> Could be some odd server/repo issue going on.
[05:23] <LittleMe> do you want some cheeze with your wine?   j/k
[05:24] <freewill> i can't get wine to list in my adept manager
[05:24] <freewill> can't load the respositories
[05:24] <dr_willis> lets see
[05:24] <dr_willis> !easyrepo
[05:24] <LittleMe> you must add the wine repositories in your apt.list
[05:24] <ubotu> I know nothing about easyrepo
[05:24] <dr_willis> !repo
[05:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:24] <dr_willis> !easysource
[05:24] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:24] <dr_willis> thats it :)
[05:24] <dr_willis> To the Source-O-Mattic Bat man@!
[05:26] <roadrunner_> ok, I downloaded swiftfox... how do I go about installing it >_<
[05:26] <roadrunner_> I am a linux noob, I know... I'm used to the windows way =D
[05:26] <dr_willis> when in doubt RTF<? :P
[05:26] <dr_willis> I thoght it was a extension ya just loaded into the browser.
[05:26] <dr_willis> never used swiftfox., so cant tell ya anything
[05:26] <h3sp4wn_> freewill: Try asking in ##cooking they know alot about wine
[05:27] <h3sp4wn_> freewill: Or failing that #winehq
[05:27] <moparisthebest> what does this mean? : mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /mnt/killer busy
[05:27] <moparisthebest> mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /mnt/isokingdom busy
[05:27] <TalentedChimp> roadrunner is it a .deb file?
[05:27] <moparisthebest> im trying to mount ntfs drives as read only on boot
[05:27] <moparisthebest> and it always says that :S
[05:28] <LittleMe> roadrunner, there should be instructions on the swiftfox page
[05:28] <LittleMe> moparist, let me check
[05:29] <moparisthebest> wait LittleMe i got it :)
[05:29] <LittleMe> moparist, you can't do a mount of just 'hdc' you must specify the partition.  like hdc1 or hdc2
[05:29] <moparisthebest> i was using yep
[05:29] <moparisthebest> exactly :)
[05:29] <moparisthebest> thanks though
[05:29] <LittleMe> Look at /etc/fstab
[05:29] <LittleMe> dev/hdb1       /media/hdb1     ntfs    ro,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[05:30] <LittleMe> that's how I mount my ntfs volumes
[05:30] <TalentedChimp> roadrunner: swiftfox is a .tar.gz file, what do you see when you uncompress the file?
[05:31] <LittleMe> but kde doesn't browse ntfs volumes will in kubuntu..  computer slows down a LOT
[05:31] <LittleMe> at least for me..
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> isn't utf8 a bad option for ntfs and other windows filesystems?
[05:32] <moparisthebest> no according to the kubuntu tips and tricks guide
[05:33] <moparisthebest> the official one that comes with konqueror
[05:33] <unix_infidel> utf8 a bad option?
[05:33] <moparisthebest> thats how it tells you to mount an ntfs drive so its not writeable
[05:33] <unix_infidel> i thought utf8 was just a character encoding system.
[05:33] <unix_infidel> standard.
[05:33] <unix_infidel> *
[05:33] <moparisthebest> idk what LeeJunFan was talking about
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I thought I saw something in dmesg once when I mounted an ntfs that it would make the FS case sensitive.
[05:33] <moparisthebest> oh, i guess what LittleMe said
[05:34] <moparisthebest> this is how the guide says to do it:
[05:34] <moparisthebest> sudo mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/windows/ -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0222
[05:34] <unix_infidel> i bet ya that once linux gets ntfs support down, the'll release a winfs patch and make the work week a mess.
[05:35] <actinic> moparisthebest, so does it mount?
[05:35] <moparisthebest> yep, works perfectly now
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> I get this message mounting FAT32 with utf8: FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[05:35] <LittleMe> does anyone else here have problems browsing ntfs volumes in konqueror?
[05:35] <moparisthebest> not at all
[05:35] <LittleMe> I mean specifically that cpu usage goes up & computer feels jerky
[05:36] <LittleMe> gam_server goes up in cpu utilization %
[05:36] <moparisthebest> oh, possibly, ill let you know
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> I don't have any ntfs volumes right now. When I do I'm normally doing repair or forensics and use captive-ntfs
[05:36] <dr_willis> LittleMe,  never noticed it.
[05:36] <dr_willis> LittleMe,  could turn off all previews
[05:36] <LittleMe> that might help good idea
[05:36] <unix_infidel> LittleMe: what forensics tools do you use in linux?
[05:37] <LittleMe> moparist, open up KDE system guard and look at the system load tab
[05:37] <unix_infidel> erm LeeJunFan
[05:37] <moparisthebest> dr_willis, how do you turn off previews? i hate them :P
[05:37] <LittleMe> and the process table tab will show gam_server using a lot of cpu.. even after closing konqeror
[05:37] <dr_willis> moparisthebest,  i forget. :) i tend to use a terminal and mc for my file manager needs
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: most of the time I get the fastest results recoving deleted/hidden stuff using recoverjpeg or testdisk
[05:38] <LittleMe> infide, not many ..  top and KDE system guard and also if the mouse pointer moves smoothly
[05:38] <dr_willis> the default settings and stuff for kde under kubuntu - could use some work. :) lol
[05:38] <LittleMe> send that in to the kubuntu team please!
[05:38] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: what about the tricky stuff?
[05:38] <freewill> finaly got wine http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/wine_0.9.16~winehq0~ubuntu~6.06-1_i386.deb
[05:38] <insanekane> dr_willis: you can always join kubuntu devel team
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: nothing for law enforcement, normally just corporate stuff - people who don't trust employees.
[05:39] <LittleMe> freewill, if you add to to your sources.list it's a good idea because wine is updated often
[05:39] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: which is why i encrypt and shred all my sensitive files :)
[05:39] <dr_willis> insanekane,  personally i think the disrtos should have a 'set everything to the kde/gnome/whatever default style setup' :) but to each their own.
[05:39] <freewill> i'll try
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: yeah, most people aren't smart.
[05:40] <dr_willis> its nice to have a tweaked kde at times... but some times i need to help someone using the default (from the kde source) setup.
[05:40] <yavinite> \help
[05:40] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: I think kde should be left as close as possible to how the kde dev's want it
[05:40] <nrdb> Is there anyone using gnucash with the postgresql backend out there?
[05:40] <dr_willis> then again ice noticed some live cd's have some items/things ive not  sure where they come from. Lol
[05:40] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn_,  thats one of the things i liked about Gentoo.
[05:41] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: Same for me with freebsd its good to be able to read generic documentation and not have stuff changed
[05:41] <h3sp4wn_> dr_willis: cups being a good recent example
[05:41] <dr_willis> but heck - every 6 mo. we gotta relearn all the little changes they did in the new release..   true most are good changes but it gets old.
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: like school employees with kiddie pr0n, when I find stuff like that I let the cops have it and take ship it to the forensics lab. Since I didn't do the time in school for it my testimony won't convict anyone by itself. I'm more of a timesaver often finding things faster than sending it away to see if it's worth sending away.
[05:42] <dr_willis> Yea - some of the cups 'tweaks' are annoying.
[05:44] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: who do you work for?
[05:44] <unix_infidel> just an lowly IT cat?
[05:44] <unix_infidel> or dedicated forensics?
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: I've got my own company, wireless internet, in a small city. But I've been known for years as the primary IT/Network guy in town.
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: a lot of my friends are cops, and my wife recently (2 yrs) became a deputy, I used to get some forensics stuff years ago before there was a lab downstate (MI) for it. Now everything gets shipped there.
[05:45] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: yea, i live in Texas, there's always some guy who's the better IT guy in town :P
[05:46] <unix_infidel> Next on the list is exploit research and encryption cracking....
[05:46] <dr_willis> Next on the list: ' take over the world'
[05:46] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: you could do that with those two things alone.
[05:46] <dr_willis> Then  ' find a decent laundry '
[05:46] <LittleMe> another texan is doing that already
[05:46] <dr_willis> :)
[05:47] <unix_infidel> LittleMe: you obviously havent been to south east asia...
[05:47] <dr_willis> LittleMe,  Bill gates is not from Texas.
[05:47] <dr_willis> :P
[05:47] <LittleMe> hehe
[05:47] <unix_infidel> they literally have labs of students paid from 3rd party companies that faciliate cracking, of anything from sattelite firmware / codes to breaking movie encryption.
[05:48] <unix_infidel> satellite*
[05:48] <LittleMe> okay
[05:48] <dr_willis> movie encryption?
[05:48] <dr_willis> :)
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> Problem with Satellite encryption is changing private keys faster than they can be cracked.
[05:49] <dr_willis> And they got ARMIES or people playing World of Warcraft/Farming - to make Money for their EVIL plans!
[05:49] <LittleMe> unix_infidel: why do you ask me about my diagnostic tools?
[05:49] <unix_infidel> dr_willis: yea...discs and files that are passed around on the "latest releases"
[05:50] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: autorollers, these guys know their stuff...it works for about 2 weeks.  You see it in virtually every household in SE Asia.
[05:50] <dr_willis> I just use BitTorrent. :)
[05:50] <unix_infidel> lol @ dr_willis
[05:51] <dr_willis> Wife wanted to download last weeks Soap Operas for her..
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> netflicks & k9copy. har har!
[05:51] <dr_willis> That would be a good use of Streaming video.. for the old soaps.
[05:51] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: doesn't matter, the NSA probably forwards all that stuff to them anyway, they don't need bots.
[05:52] <orient2000> I can not find right link for automatix.
[05:52] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: lol, then i wonder how many NSA bots are planted on IRC servers thoughout the world :P
[05:52] <dr_willis> !easyubuntu
[05:52] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of easyubuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[05:52] <dr_willis> orient2000,  id advise easyubuntu over automatix
[05:52] <LittleMe> orient2000: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[05:52] <unix_infidel> not necessarily the channels. why plant them as part of a client when you have access to the servers :P
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: I bet they don't bother, if they've got sniffers in the hubs for AT&T and MCI they pretty much have 70% of all internet traffic being logged.
[05:53] <dr_willis> nothing like lots of useless logs eh.
[05:53] <h3sp4wn_> Anyone know of any bomb design software for kde ? (One way to find out)
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> hahah
[05:53] <dr_willis> h3sp4wn_,  just go watch MythBusters
[05:53] <dr_willis> :)
[05:54] <unix_infidel> LeeJunFan: Heh, i never thought they would go to that extreme....but its certainly feasible.
[05:54] <LittleMe> h3sp4wn_: yes, gimp :)
[05:54] <dr_willis> or the  History channel.
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> unix_infidel: welcome to the United Police States of America.
[05:54] <h3sp4wn_> LittleMe: Gimp is not a kde app and it doesn't do any simulation type stuff
[05:54] <LittleMe> h3sp4wn_: on then try Manhatten ProjeKt
[05:55] <dr_willis> I used a FiniteElement program years ago - that could simulate situations/loads/experiments like that. :P
[05:55] <dr_willis> I forget the name..
[05:55] <orient2000> I did use easyubuntu but can not find real player maybe I am blind. It should be in media right?
[05:55] <dr_willis> !realplayer
[05:55] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:55] <unix_infidel> LittleMe: we're all doing something wrong...at any given moment :P
[05:55] <h3sp4wn_> orient2000: It is in the dapper-commercial repository
[05:56] <dr_willis> I was thinking installing realplayer was like a 3 line cut/paste job. :P
[05:56] <dr_willis> or even easier of its in the comercial repos.
[05:57] <roadrunner_> I still have problems with flash playing sound from firefox, but sound plays from any other browser... does anyone know how I can find out what the problem is?
[05:57] <LittleMe> unix_infidel: we only do something wrong if we think about it. if you don't think about it, it just is what it is.
[05:57] <h3sp4wn_> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/realplay/realplay_10.0.7-0.0.0.5.ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[05:58] <roadrunner_> anyone?
[05:58] <orient2000> thanks
[05:58] <roadrunner_> is there a way to uninstall flash from FF and then reinstall it?
[05:58] <LittleMe> yes I think there is a plugins folder
[05:59] <roadrunner_> do you know where?
[05:59] <LittleMe> try from a command line 'find /usr -name plugins'
[05:59] <roadrunner_> I don't know where Adept downloads stuff >_> I installed FF through adept
[06:00] <roadrunner_> so where would the FF folder be located?
[06:01] <roadrunner_> anyone...?
[06:02] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: try from a command line 'find /usr -name plugins'
[06:02] <dr_willis> adept  and apt use the same cache.  - /var/somthing. :P lol
[06:03] <actinic> how do you disable automatic preview?
[06:03] <thompa> openoffice is acting strange though im not sure its the problem
[06:03] <roadrunner_> now should I just delete flashplayer.xpt all together to remove it?
[06:03] <thompa> is it possible that nvidia driver or some xorg file could casue graphic problems in OO
[06:03] <roadrunner_> (BTW, what is the delete command?)
[06:04] <[Nirvana] > ...> /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:04] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: 'rm' deletes files
[06:04] <thompa> sometimes the characters in OO slant to the right or i can read only the top part unless i open and close the screen
[06:04] <LittleMe> thompa: yes it's possible
[06:05] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: you might try to google 'ubuntu flash uninstall' or something
[06:05] <thompa> LittleMe: is there something in xorg.conf i can disable for nvidia
[06:05] <LittleMe> thompa: yes you can change the 'nvidia' line to read 'nv'.  Is it showing 'nvidia' now?
[06:05] <thompa> maybe i should test with vesa, i got no nvidia logo anyway but nvidia works
[06:06] <LittleMe> yeah vesa is a good test
[06:06] <thompa> yes its the second time i installed on this comp. same problem
[06:06] <actinic> someone please drag a *.txt file to their desktop and tell me if auto preview interferes with icon display
[06:06] <thompa> right now i just need to type
[06:07] <LittleMe> actinic: ok
[06:07] <thompa> i wonder if i should try the .com nvidia driver
[06:08] <thompa> monitor is 1440x900 which is not too normal
[06:08] <actinic> thanks LittleMe
[06:08] <LittleMe> actinic: i see the text file in the icon.  at least the beginning of it
[06:08] <actinic> if your results are like mine the application icon is watermarked behind the text
[06:09] <LittleMe> thompa: did you install the nvidia driver using Adept ?
[06:09] <actinic> LittleMe, from what I can tell there's no way to DISABLE auto preview from happening
[06:09] <actinic> is that what you're seeing?
[06:10] <LittleMe> actinic: i remember seeing somehwere that it can be turned off
[06:10] <actinic> right click > properties > preview tab > uncheck auto preview .... doesn't work
[06:10] <LittleMe> actinic: you don't want your spouse to see your loves messages from #kubuntu friends?
[06:11] <actinic> lol, porn too!
[06:11] <roadrunner_> hm... reinstalling flash did not make sound come back. Does anyone else know why sound would not work in Firefox, but it would in any other browser?
[06:12] <nixternal> roadrunner_: you have to change a DSP setting..one sec and i will point it out
[06:12] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: Look at this page: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/29760
[06:12] <actinic> well if you find out how to disable i'm all ear ... uh, eyes :)
[06:12] <nixternal> there you go..that links to the info
[06:13] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: google is your friend to diagnose & fix issues
[06:13] <crimsun> as I've stated on that page, creating the symlinks for esd is NOT the right way to fix it.
[06:13] <crimsun> in fact, when pulse replaces esd, that fix will break utterly
[06:13] <LittleMe> actinic: looking
[06:13] <crimsun> however, you're free to use whatever fix you want.
[06:14] <roadrunner_> I have looked
[06:14] <roadrunner_> but I don't understand what they are saying
[06:14] <LittleMe> scroll half way down and people post work arounds on that page
[06:14] <roadrunner_> I am new to linux, I don't know how to re-write esddsp...
[06:14] <crimsun> you only need to create a symlink, roadrunner_
[06:15] <roadrunner_> does anyone here use FF with Kubuntu that knows a quick fix >_<
[06:15] <crimsun> there're two workarounds listed on that page
[06:15] <roadrunner_> Would you mind at least pointing the correct one out?
[06:15] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: try this quick fix: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/29760/comments/12
[06:15] <roadrunner_> because the one I saw said it would be unstanle
[06:17] <orient2000> I did click on http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/realplay/realplay_10.0.7-0.0.0.5.ubuntu0.1_i386.deb and it started downloading then I left I do not know what heppened. Was it installed?
[06:17] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: did you try that quick fix? i just did it
[06:17] <roadrunner_> Um... do I just type that into the konsole?
[06:17] <roadrunner_> because I just did that
[06:17] <roadrunner_> and it didn't do anything
[06:18] <crimsun> it's not supposed to appear to do anything
[06:18] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: yes copy & paste those three lines into a shell.  it will prompt you once for a root password
[06:18] <roadrunner_> I did
[06:18] <roadrunner_> and it did
[06:18] <roadrunner_> and it didn't look like it did anything
[06:18] <roadrunner_> and sound still doesn't work
[06:18] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: close firefox completely and try your flash again
[06:19] <LittleMe> orient2000: no.. you only downloaded the player.  You have not installed the file you downloaded yet.
[06:20] <LittleMe> orient2000: try searching google for 'how do I install a .deb file'
[06:20] <boingolov> or man dpkg
[06:20] <LittleMe> yeah
[06:20] <orient2000> OK thanks
[06:20] <roadrunner_> still no sound
[06:21] <boingolov> roadrunniner, flash grabs /dev/dsp
[06:22] <roadrunner_> wait a moment
[06:22] <boingolov> so if you have other things running alsa sound, it's kind of either / or with /dev/dsp
[06:22] <roadrunner_> I have sound at the moment
[06:22] <roadrunner_> I cleared temp files in FF and it works now
[06:22] <roadrunner_> Ill tell you if it is still working tommorrow =D Because multiple people have got it  "working" for me but it always seems to break again
[06:22] <boingolov> that's the down side to any program that attempts to grab /dev/dsp.  as long as everything uses also libs for sound they can all share and play nice.
[06:23] <boingolov> s/also/alsa
[06:23] <crimsun> within reason, yes.
[06:23] <crimsun> for instance, we haven't fixed asym for multiple users
[06:23] <boingolov> but once something grabs /dev/dsp (such as the flash plugin ), all bets are off .  if flash gets to play audio, other stuff likely won't.  and vice versa
[06:24] <crimsun> that depends whether the default card supports hardware multiopen
[06:24] <crimsun> if it does, then /dev/dsp* is a non-issue
[06:24] <crimsun> (as is plughw:X)
[06:25] <boingolov> ahh, which cards support that?
[06:25] <roadrunner_> so... what? Im going to have the same problem again?
[06:25] <boingolov> roadrunner, most likely, yup
[06:25] <roadrunner_> because everytime multiple things try to play sound it is going to die?
[06:25] <roadrunner_> and there is no permanent fix for it?
[06:26] <crimsun> boingolov: cards that use the emu10k1, cs46xx, or certain hda-intel drivers
[06:26] <boingolov> aye
[06:26] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: check the bug report page for fix info
[06:26] <boingolov> I have the snd_intel8x0
[06:27] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: remember the changes you made.  You may need to remove the symlink file one day
[06:27] <LittleMe> bookmark that page
[06:28] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: ever played "N game" ??
[06:28] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: very fun flash game
[06:29] <roadrunner_> nope
[06:29] <boingolov> maybe if they ever release flash 8.5/9 for linux they'll get the audio right
[06:29] <roadrunner_> I gotta go now... thanks for the help... Ill prolly be back in a day or two with the same problem ;)
[06:29] <LittleMe> roadrunner_: deal with tomorrow when it comes
[06:29] <LittleMe> you are welcome
[06:29] <roadrunner_> haha... will do =D G'night everyone, thanks
[06:29] <Hawkwind> boingolov: It's due to be released after the first of the year
[06:30] <boingolov> they already have beta of 9 for windows (I'm positive) and macosx (I'm less than positive)
[06:31] <boingolov> would be cool to see a beta of linux before the first of the year
[06:31] <Hawkwind> boingolov: Won't happen
[06:32] <boingolov> I don't expect it, considering we never did get a version 8, but it would be nice nonetheless
[06:32] <Hawkwind> boingolov: I read the developers blog the other day and he made it clear there won't be a release for Linux before the first of the year
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Yeah it would be super nice.
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Especially since so many sites now require flash 8 to view them
[06:32] <boingolov> yeah
[06:32] <boingolov> pisses me off
[06:35] <thompa> LittleMe: i did nvidia-glx only and it works . no logo and some other intresting effects
[06:35] <usp8riot> anyone know how to exit the x server? i'm trying to install the nvidia sound driver
[06:36] <thompa> just tested bzflag and ran nvidia-settings no prob
[06:36] <boingolov> x and sound are two seperate beasts
[06:36] <usp8riot> yes, but the nvidia driver calls for it
[06:36] <crimsun> usp8riot: ...sound? Why, does snd_intel8x0 not work?
[06:37] <usp8riot> don't know, i'm just using alsa
[06:37] <LittleMe> thompa: Great!
[06:37] <usp8riot> is there a difference?
[06:37] <LittleMe> usp8riot: yes press ctrl-alt-backspace (careful! it's immediate)
[06:37] <LittleMe> usp8riot: or you canjust logout & login
[06:38] <usp8riot> but it takes me back, it doesn't a command line
[06:38] <crimsun> usp8riot: do you hear sounds at all?
[06:38] <usp8riot> nm, i guess i can choose the command line when i logout, right?
[06:38] <usp8riot> yes, but i'd rather have the official nvidia driver
[06:38] <usp8riot> for my nvidia soundstorm
[06:38] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i get 32bit libraries for firefox libgtk, etc , im using x64
[06:38] <crimsun> usp8riot: don't unless you want a world of headache.
[06:39] <LittleMe> usp8riot: no, don't choose the command line login when you log back in
[06:41] <thompa> LittleMe: well i still have the problem with open office and sometimes the desktop flickers
[06:46] <usp8riot> does anyone think windows sound quality is better with audigy cards?
[06:47] <Cornellius> "To start e just insert 'exec /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment'  in your .xinitrc, .xsession or wherever you define that."  <-- How do I do that ?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> Cornellius: kate .xinitrc and add that line
[06:47] <LittleMe> usp8riot: audigy's are 48khz native so they interpolate most sound from 44khz.  the result is less than optimal.
[06:48] <boingolov> 'gearboxing'
[06:48] <LittleMe> that said I'm using an audigy 2 :)
[06:48] <boingolov> still though, 44.1->48 is better than 48->44.1
[06:48] <Zaire> k I got unrar and working  now for the very last step how do I edit the xlib stuff out of cedega
[06:49] <LittleMe> boingolov: ahh nice to know
[06:49] <boingolov> sample rate conversion is ugly
[06:49] <usp8riot> so in lamens terms....?
[06:49] <LittleMe> yeah it is :)
[06:49] <LittleMe> usp8riot: in lamens terms, I like my audigy 2 pro a lot :)
[06:49] <boingolov> it's not so bad going from 96 down to 44.1 though, you have a lot more samples to pick from, and it's painless going from 96 to 48 (obviously)
[06:50] <boingolov> not that I have any 96khz converters haha
[06:50] <usp8riot> i'm just speaking of the drivers for it, i believe creative screwed us linux people over with quality
[06:51] <LittleMe> usp8riot: apparently they aren't even making x-fi drivers for linux
[06:51] <boingolov> my mbox2 (not linux compatible) can do 44.1 or 48 with the hardware clock (i.e., no gearboxing)
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Zaire: yeah, that is a bit of a pain
[06:51] <usp8riot> LittleMe: i hear they're going to though
[06:51] <LittleMe> usp8riot: good
[06:51] <crimsun> LittleMe: there will be
[06:52] <LittleMe> I hope for fbsd too :)
[06:53] <sponix> crimsun:  ever use dvdshrink ?
[06:53] <LittleMe> if only %3 of their users are linux than that %3 can make or break all of their profits..
[06:53] <boingolov> so what happens if someone from the fbsd camp wants to copy functionality of a linux driver ?  can the bsd license trump the gpl?
[06:53] <crimsun> sponix: no, since I don't own a dvd drive
[06:53] <crimsun> boingolov: what?
[06:53] <sponix> crimsun:  ouch
[06:53] <LittleMe> boingolov: no, no necessarily.  If they copy/paste code, then yes.  if they take ideas, no
[06:53] <usp8riot> that's why i'm wanting to use my nvidia soundstorm since i can hopefully get better quality. should i use it for better quality than my audigy 2?
[06:54] <crimsun> usp8riot: god no
[06:55] <crimsun> the dsp on the audigy 2 /kills/ the soundstorm
[06:55] <LittleMe> usp8riot: if you want audigy specific features go with audigy.  otherwise go with the nvidia.   Your speakers have a lot more to do with the quality of sound you hear
[06:55] <usp8riot> but there is no dsp with linux is there?
[06:55] <sponix> there _was_ :)
[06:55] <crimsun> dsp's hardware, why does Linux matter?
[06:56] <LittleMe> linux can't use computer chips.   (chuckle)
[06:56] <usp8riot> i'm just saying since nvidia has drivers to take full advantage and creative won't let anyone know the hardware specs, nvidia's going to sound better
[06:56] <LittleMe> Zaire: what question did you have
[06:56] <LittleMe> usp8riot: maybe, try both & see what you like
[06:56] <crimsun> usp8riot: the audigys are the best supported cards for most consumers
[06:57] <crimsun> Zaire: you can't.
[06:57] <sponix> Zaire:  why not just force it to install with no deps ?
[06:57] <crimsun> dude, no you can.t
[06:57] <Zaire> http://tom.digitalelite.com/2006_06_09_08_32_00.html
[06:58] <crimsun> you have to have the /source/ to generate a deb
[06:58] <Zaire> thats the site that says otherwise
[06:58] <DoorGunner> hi all
[06:58] <Zaire> yea you extract the .deb to its basic source and edit the Xlibs stuff out according to that site
[06:59] <oomph_7> anyone know how to correct this error
[06:59] <oomph_7> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[06:59] <oomph_7> i got it while installing KVPNC
[06:59] <Zaire> I just don't know where to find the xlib dependencies in it
[06:59] <crimsun> they'd be in debian/control
[07:00] <Zaire> a k where ever that is in there is the question really
[07:01] <crimsun> it's in debian/control
[07:01] <crimsun> you extracted it, didn't you?
[07:01] <thompa> can anyone confirm why the nvidia may not show after nvidia-glx install?
[07:01] <thompa> nvidia logo that is
[07:02] <thompa> is it not there by default?
[07:02] <Zaire> yea I extracted it but Im trying to find the debian control stuff
[07:02] <thompa> im still having some graphic issues, now in vesa it says 24 color monitor is 1440x800
[07:03] <adrigm> nas
[07:03] <thompa> but i can see mt screen is 1024x768
[07:03] <thompa> does an lcd need vert. and horiz. refresh rate?
[07:03] <LittleMe> thompa: what video card/monitor are you using?
[07:04] <thompa> hi,
[07:04] <LittleMe> thompa: yes
[07:04] <crimsun> Zaire: it's in debian/ wherever you chose to extract the deb
[07:04] <LittleMe> thompa: but the xorg.conf defaults will work (flicker flicker!)
[07:04] <thompa> im using nvidia 660 128 Ram and westinghouse LCD 1440x900
[07:04] <Zaire> its the the home folder
[07:04] <thompa> LittleMe: somethings not right
[07:05] <thompa> maybe the montitor settings or synch
[07:05] <Zaire> oddly enough I can run cedega from the extracted source but I can't install it lol
[07:06] <thompa> if i use nvidia it seems to work but every bnow and then kind of melts a little
[07:06] <LittleMe> thompa: bring up a command line prompt and type 'gtf 1440x800 85' (for 85 hz vert refresh)
[07:06] <thompa> its a big problem when doing word processing
[07:06] <thompa> ok
[07:06] <LittleMe> thompa: the output will need to go into your xorg.conf file
[07:07] <LittleMe> make sure your monitor supports 85hz vert refresh (or use higher if your monitor will go higher)
[07:07] <crimsun> Zaire: what was the command you used to extract it?
[07:07] <crimsun> Zaire: (the dpkg-deb -x one)
[07:07] <thompa> LittleMe: it does not give me correct output
[07:07] <LittleMe> thompa: put the output of gtf in the same section as the Driver "nvidia" section
[07:07] <thompa> usage only
[07:08] <thompa> command works but gives usage
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: the normal one or the small one?
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: because the small one doesn't have a dependency on xlibs
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: no, use the small one
[07:08] <crimsun> Zaire: then use the 5.2.2 cpkg update
[07:08] <LittleMe> thompa: what does it say?
[07:09] <thompa> LittleMe: im in vesa now should i change back to nvidia first?
[07:09] <thompa> usage: gtf x y refresh [-v|--verbose]  [-f|--fbmode]  [-x|--xorgmode] 
[07:09] <crimsun> Zaire: you're /supposed/ to use the small one according to the instructions -- which you read, correct?
[07:09] <thompa> etc etc
[07:09] <LittleMe> thompa: yes sure since nvidia had the same symptom
[07:09] <thompa> be right back
[07:09] <Zaire> I didn't see anything about the small one nope
[07:09] <crimsun> reading instructions is a /good/ thing.
[07:10] <Zaire> generally lol but I tend to do things as I go along lol
[07:11] <LittleMe> thompa: wb, nvidia working?
[07:11] <crimsun> Zaire: so remove the normal one.
[07:11] <thompa> yep
[07:11] <Zaire> how lol
[07:12] <LittleMe> now try gtf again
[07:12] <crimsun> Zaire: apt-get --purge remove cedega
[07:12] <thompa> LittleMe: gtf 1440x800 85  gives same
[07:12] <LittleMe> thompa: then try   gtf 1440 800 60
[07:12] <Zaire> invalid operation cedega
[07:12] <Zaire> oops nvm
[07:12] <thompa> my montor is 1440x900
[07:13] <LittleMe> thompa: gtf 1440 800 85 works for me btw
[07:13] <Zaire> ok got it
[07:13] <LittleMe> thompa: OH then try 900 instead of 800
[07:13] <thompa> ok thanks for being there
[07:13] <LittleMe> thompa: use google to find out the refresh rates your monitor supports
[07:13] <thompa> that worked
[07:13] <LittleMe> GOOD
[07:14] <Zaire> ok you gotta be kidding me lol it says the same thing as norm cedega about the Xlibs lol
[07:14] <thompa> so now paste into xorg?
[07:14] <LittleMe> thompa: now paste the output of gtf into the xorg.conf file, the same section as Driver "nvidia"
[07:14] <crimsun> Zaire: um, what version are you installing?
[07:14] <Zaire> 5.1
[07:14] <crimsun> Zaire: because 5.2.1 certainly doesn't have a dependency on xlibs
[07:14] <LittleMe> thompa: put it right under 'Driver "nvidia"' if you like
[07:15] <thompa> LittleMe: ok, its a great monitor for paperwork, can view 2 docs side by side
[07:15] <thompa> righto
[07:15] <LittleMe> thompa: I'm sorry I'm mistaken.  put that line into your "Monitor" section, not the nvidia driver section
[07:15] <thompa> ok
[07:16] <orient2000> my sorces.list is empty I can not get any update what can i do?
[07:16] <LittleMe> thompa: in xorg.conf find the Section "Screen" part and then add "1440x900" as the first Mode
[07:16] <thompa> LittleMe: i pasted and removed hashmark,
[07:16] <Hobbsee> orient2000: you likely spelled it wrong.  i'ts /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:17] <thompa> but there is still horizsync and vertrefresh
[07:17] <thompa> LittleMe: do i need those for LCD
[07:17] <LittleMe> thompa: the modeline overrides the refresh rates, i think
[07:17] <LittleMe> thompa: i think so yes
[07:17] <LittleMe> thompa: i use CRTs though. :)
[07:18] <thompa> the refresh rates are whats probably messing things up
[07:18] <LittleMe> thompa: did you add 1440x900 into the Modes line?
[07:18] <thompa> ok i guess i should r-x
[07:18] <LittleMe> thompa: r-x what do you mean by that
[07:18] <thompa>  Modeline "1440x900_60.00"  106.47  1440 1520 1672 1904  900 901 904 932  -HSync +Vsync
[07:18] <thompa> is what i got there
[07:18] <LittleMe> good
[07:19] <LittleMe> thats 60hz refresh rate (might be flickery but WILL work)
[07:19] <thompa> its lcd suppoosed to be 60 i think for this one
[07:19] <thompa> ill test
[07:21] <LittleMe> working?
[07:21] <orient2000> id di open it but I could not save because no privilages then I typet sudo -i and password but now I can not gedit .. list
[07:22] <LittleMe> thompa: working??
[07:22] <thompa> LittleMe: it seems faster
[07:22] <thompa> more respnsive
[07:22] <LittleMe> thompa: working at 1440x900?
[07:22] <thompa> yes
[07:22] <LittleMe> GOOD!
[07:23] <thompa> let me test openoffice first
[07:23] <thompa> i hope the 60 is correct
[07:23] <LittleMe> you might be able to go higher.. higher is better usually
[07:23] <LittleMe> except you don't want to go over your monitor's ability
[07:24] <LittleMe> thompa: make a backup of your xorg.conf file.  go to /etc/X11 and type 'cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.2006.07.07'
[07:25] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i install the flash player on x64 ?
[07:25] <LittleMe> thompa: i mean 'sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.2006.07.07'
[07:25] <thompa> ok
[07:25] <thompa> openoffice works, no falling letters btw
[07:25] <LittleMe> wow!
[07:26] <LittleMe> thompa: you can send me a check or paypal donation plz :)
[07:26] <thompa> but i never had the problem with kword,
[07:26] <thompa> LittleMe: thanks
[07:26] <LittleMe> thompa: yw.
[07:27] <thompa> i knew it was either xorg or nvidia or openoffice
[07:27] <thompa> but ive had the same problem on many distros
[07:27] <thompa> so i guess its the monitor
[07:27] <LittleMe> thompa: i thought the problem is fixed now?
[07:27] <thompa> LittleMe: does that sound right that its monitor setting in xorg
[07:28] <thompa> yes it works
[07:28] <thompa> thanks again
[07:28] <LittleMe> thompa: it might be the monitor setting yes
[07:28] <thompa> i want to make sure i understand the problem
[07:28] <LittleMe> thompa: we set your resolution to 1440x900 that probably fixed it
[07:28] <LittleMe> thompa: that's my guess.  your monitor was interpolating a lower resolution which looked bad
[07:28] <thompa> it was originally 1440x900, but the modeline is new
[07:29] <LittleMe> OH
[07:29] <LittleMe> yes then the modeline fixed it
[07:29] <LittleMe> I don't see why all linux distros don't try to make a gui or automate gtf as we did here
[07:30] <thompa> what is the gtf that i used?
[07:30] <LittleMe> thompa: gtf 1440 900 60
[07:30] <thompa> its not 1005 accurate
[07:30] <thompa> 100% sry
[07:30] <LittleMe> why do you say it's not 100% accurate?
[07:30] <thompa> is it just a hardware detection command?
[07:31] <LittleMe> "Gtf is a utility for calculating VESA GTF  modes."
[07:31] <LittleMe> "Generalized Timing Formula"
[07:32] <thompa> thanks , i just found the man
[07:32] <thompa> page
[07:32] <LittleMe> thompa: yes probably your monitor was interpolating an frequency that was not 100% aligned with it
[07:32] <LittleMe> but I'm not sure about lcd
[07:32] <thompa> I thought monitors could autosync
[07:33] <LittleMe> they try
[07:33] <thompa> this one had some hardware switch to change resol. but it doesnt work too well
[07:34] <thompa> LittleMe: ive had enough, gotta sleep....Thanks a gazillion!
[07:34] <LittleMe> I suggest you enter more modelines for all resolutions you want to use
[07:34] <LittleMe> yw
[07:34] <thompa> this lCD is only 1440x900
[07:34] <LittleMe> divide that by two and there's another resolution you can use
[07:34] <LittleMe> 720x450
[07:35] <thompa> i can tell its working better by grabing a window and shaking it
[07:35] <LittleMe> i know what you mean.. nice to see things work smooth & fast
[07:35] <thompa> no distortion, openGL screensaver work too
[07:35] <Zaire> yeps dual monitors is sweet lol
[07:35] <LittleMe> I'm dual monitors now :)
[07:35] <thompa> what are dual monitors for?
[07:36] <thompa> i got 2 connections on this nvidia
[07:36] <LittleMe> for more desktop space :) i have one 21 inch and one 19 inch montior
[07:36] <Zaire> so you do something on one and monitor stuff on the other like Im doing with IRC lol
[07:36] <thompa> there is one crt here and one more lcd lying around
[07:36] <LittleMe> why not use both?
[07:36] <thompa> how do you switch
[07:36] <Zaire> spanning is gross lol
[07:37] <LittleMe> thompa: i can e-mail you entries you need to get twinview working
[07:37] <orient2000> My update manager do not work. It is closing fast. What can I do? Please help.
[07:37] <thompa> ive heard about twinview is it worth using?
[07:37] <LittleMe> yeah the nv 6600 usually has two monitor ports
[07:37] <LittleMe> YES
[07:37] <thompa> i can use virtual desktops now
[07:37] <LittleMe> twinview is great
[07:37] <Zaire> twinviews actually pretty easy I just got the glx files and config then enabled my drivers and changed the display setting
[07:37] <LittleMe> virtual desktops aren't the same
[07:38] <thompa> are both monitors showing the same desktop?
[07:38] <Zaire> yea this is 2 live desktops that are more or less one and you can move from one monitor to the other easy and smooth
[07:38] <thompa> like with mouse?
[07:38] <LittleMe> No. each has it's own desktop space
[07:39] <LittleMe> you can drag windows from one monitor to the other
[07:39] <Zaire> yeps mouseand programs
[07:39] <thompa> cool
[07:39] <LittleMe> very
[07:39] <Zaire> thats why I said more or less one
[07:39] <Zaire> but yes I love dual monitors lol
[07:39] <thompa> could i watch a movie on one and work on other?
[07:39] <LittleMe> YES
[07:39] <thompa> cool
[07:39] <Zaire> love that part to lol
[07:39] <LittleMe> but it doesn't work with porn
[07:40] <thompa> i got a big crt and a 15 inch viewsonic
[07:40] <thompa> right now this is westinghouse 1440x900
[07:40] <thompa> ha
[07:41] <thompa> the laptop is nvidia also with xgl running
[07:41] <LittleMe> twinview only works with porn if you enter "option   "pron"  "true" "
[07:41] <thompa> i gotta take a break this is addictive
[07:41] <LittleMe> put that into xorg.conf
[07:42] <thompa> ;}0
[07:42] <LittleMe> bye
[07:42] <Zaire> brb lol
[07:43] <LittleMe> thompa: Option          "SecondMonitorHorizSync"        "30.0-86.0"
[07:43] <LittleMe> thompa: Option          "SecondMonitorVertRefresh"      "50.0-160.0"
[07:43] <LittleMe> That's what I use to set my 2nd monitor refresh
[07:44] <LittleMe> in the device section
[07:44] <thompa> is it crt what res.?
[07:44] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> i compiled amarok beta1 from source, now i want to uninstall it but i dont have the source so cant do "make uninstall" and can remove it with adept , how can i remove it ?
[07:44] <LittleMe> Yes my 2nd monitor is viewsonic optiquest q95. i use it at 1024x768@85hz
[07:45] <LittleMe> then in your device section you'll need to enter new metamodes
[07:45] <LittleMe> Here's what I use
[07:45] <thompa> mines same resolution viewsonic vp171s
[07:45] <LittleMe> Option          "MetaModes"     " 1152x864, 1024x768; 1152x864,NULL; 128
[07:45] <LittleMe> 0x960,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 1024x768, 1024x768; 800x600, 1152x864; 800x600, 800x6
[07:45] <LittleMe> 00; 800x600,NULL"
[07:45] <thompa> that sounds about right to me
[07:46] <LittleMe> you see how I have resolutions that use commas?  the first entry  1152x864,1024x768 is my default twinview reoslution
[07:46] <thompa> i cant find any specs on the westinghouse though but so far so good
[07:46] <thompa> do you use nvidia-settings?
[07:46] <LittleMe> if you want a mode to only use one monitor (for a game) then use a NULL entry for the 2nd resolution. (see above)
[07:47] <LittleMe> no except to change anti alias settings or something
[07:48] <LittleMe> These two entries turn on twinview in xorg.conf (device section)
[07:48] <LittleMe> Option          "TwinViewOrientation"   "RightOf"
[07:48] <LittleMe>         Option          "Xinerama"      "on"
[07:49] <LittleMe> oh put this one first:         Option          "TwinView"      "true"
[07:49] <thompa> where do you change setting for like clone mode and stuff?
[07:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> i compiled amarok beta1 from source, now i want to uninstall it but i dont have the source so cant do "make uninstall" and can remove it with adept , how cant i remove it ?
[07:49] <LittleMe> try google 'twinview clone xorg.conf' or something :)
[07:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:49] <thompa> i have to cnnect the monitor , clear some clutter
[07:50] <thompa> LittleMe: thanks im going to copy that
[07:50] <thompa> take care
[07:50] <LittleMe> you too,
[07:55] <Desh> After following the Wiki guide to using fglrx on my laptop with a Mobility Radeon 9700, fglrxinfo reveals my OpenGL renderer to be mesa3d not ATI, any clues?
[07:55] <boingolov> vielgus, you hung it down and kill it ;)  if you didn't specify --prefix to configure, it likely installed everything in /usr/local/bin , /usr/local/sbin , /usr/local/lib
[07:55] <boingolov> hunt even
[07:56] <boingolov> configure defaults to /usr/local for this very reason
[07:58] <LittleMe> VieLGuS-KuTaS: I'm not sure.  the manual might say what is installed where, when you do a make install
[07:59] <boingolov> if amarok uses antoconf (and 99% of current open source projects do), it defaults to /usr/local unless you specified otherwise.  and if you specified otherwise, look otherwise
[08:06] <LittleMe> boingolov: ahh thanks for that info
[08:07] <LittleMe> nice! what are you going to play?
[08:07] <Zaire> first halflife 1 and the once I buy it Battle field 2
[08:08] <LittleMe> there's no HL1 for linux? surprising.
[08:08] <LittleMe> BF2 is fun.  i've played it a lot
[08:08] <Zaire> yea I like to play it at Lan parties
[08:08] <Zaire> but I always have to play off of someone else computer
[08:09] <nolte> how to configure the cups printserver it always asks for a password but mine doesn't work ?
[08:09] <LittleMe> http://lhl.linuxgames.com/
[08:09] <boingolov> nolte, cups from http needs root password, so you'll need to enable root acct to do it that way
[08:09] <LittleMe> that link is for zaire
[08:10] <nolte> boingolov: thanks, that helps
[08:10] <Zaire> cool thx
[08:11] <LittleMe> if you haven't set root password then open a shell and type 'passwd root'
[08:11] <boingolov> sudo passwd root even ;)
[08:11] <LittleMe> yeah
[08:12] <boingolov> also there was something else I had to do, can't remember, but found info on google
[08:14] <LittleMe> Zaire: apparently half life/counter strike works with wineX
[08:14] <LittleMe> so you don't need cedega for that
[08:15] <Zaire> I can't get cedega to work for some reason says something about an engine update
[08:15] <LittleMe> Zaire: http://board.iexbeta.com/lofiversion/index.php/t26777.html
[08:16] <Zaire> .rpm is useless in Kubuntu
[08:17] <emonkey> alien?
[08:17] <emonkey> !alien
[08:17] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[08:17] <LittleMe> Zaire: but the basic idea is that you can get HL 1 working without cedega
[08:18] <Zaire> yea but I have cedega already
[08:18] <LittleMe> me I prefer quake 1 to HL 1 because the net code plays better
[08:18] <LittleMe> ahh true
[08:19] <boingolov> I would assume that alien will let you simply extract the contents of an rpm without installing.  at that point you should be able to install it in some non-standard place, mebbe /opt
[08:19] <Zaire> the damn engine update I have is source from what I can tell
[08:19] <boingolov> or /usr/local
[08:20] <Zaire> how would I be able to make the source into a deb package?
[08:21] <fiyawerx> i didn't catch the beginning of this convo, but if you're using something that wants to do make install, you can use 'checkmake' to create a deb out of it
[08:21] <fiyawerx> i think thats what its called
[08:21] <Zaire> its the cedega engine update source
[08:21] <fiyawerx> like to compile something i'd use ./configure, make, then checkmake (replaces make install)
[08:22] <boingolov> not everything has to be in a packate...
[08:22] <Zaire> I think
[08:22] <boingolov> package even
[08:22] <Zaire> where does cedega install anyway
[08:22] <boingolov> what I do is put my "experimental" stuff somewhere (definitely not in / or /usr) and leave everything else in the usual places
[08:22] <Desh_> Can someone help me with my kernel?
[08:23] <LittleMe> Desh_: ask your question
[08:24] <fiyawerx> !ask
[08:24] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:24] <Desh_> Well here is the thing, ls /boot/ gives me two kernel numbers: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17385
[08:24] <Desh_> And I think this may interfere with my fglrx
[08:27] <Zaire> there got it just didn't look hard enough for the engine file lol
[08:28] <Zaire> damn 3D acceleration failed on cedega
[08:28] <unix_infidel> ati 3d blows on linux.
[08:28] <unix_infidel> even with AMD on the ropes.
[08:28] <Zaire> I have Nvidia
[08:29] <unix_infidel> well then you're just whining...because almost everything nvidia has worked flawlessly with linux.
[08:29] <LittleMe> Desh_: how is it interfering with fglrx
[08:29] <Zaire> actually Im not whining jerk
[08:29] <unix_infidel> why are you using fglrx with nvidia?
[08:29] <Desh_> LittleMe: I dunno, mesa3d keeps being the OpenGL renderer. So I was wondering if maybe that ad anything to do with it?
[08:30] <unix_infidel> LOL, wow, i must need caffeine...
[08:30] <LittleMe> Desh_: I don't know about this issue but someone here might
[08:30] <Zaire> all I did was just state a fact presented to me by cedega
[08:30] <unix_infidel> Zaire: nah, man i thought you said something totally different...
[08:30] <unix_infidel> i cant read.
[08:31] <LittleMe> hehe
[08:34] <Zaire> Your graphics card does not appear to be setup correctly.
[08:34] <Zaire> Please check the documentation for your Linux distribution
[08:34] <Zaire> and your graphics card drivers to ensure proper installation
[08:35] <Desh_> Zaire, ATI card?
[08:35] <Zaire> XFX Geforce FX 5200
[08:35] <Zaire> I also get a similar error for the oss sound test on cedega
[08:41] <nolte> boingolov: thanks again, everything works now :-))
[08:44] <Zaire> why i not get play option
[08:44] <Zaire> nvm warcraft 2 finally decided to run the install lol
[08:44] <boingolov> desh, did you compile the kernel yourself?
[08:44] <boingolov> also, there is no harm in having multiple kernels in /boot , or multiple references to multiple kernels in /boot/menu.lst
[08:45] <boingolov> sorry, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:47] <Zaire> brb
[08:48] <Zaire> back lol
[08:50] <alexicon> anyone know about how to get the audiocd:/ protocol working?
[08:51] <unix_infidel> with mplayer?
[08:52] <amarokker> can someone tell me why I am getting this 'connection to gmail broken' message all too in kmail?
[08:53] <amarokker> i have been using gmail with evolution as well- never seen the problem there.
[08:53] <boingolov> have you tried kicking it?
[08:53] <amarokker> yes, several times.
[08:54] <boingolov> there is this most amazing mullet on tv right now.  I'm seriously humbled
[08:55] <amarokker> pfft. :P
[08:57] <iceman> Hello
[08:59] <abattoir> alexicon: install the kdemultimedia-kio-plugins package
[08:59] <abattoir> sudo apt-get install kdemultimedia-kio-plugins package
[09:00] <alexicon> cheers abattoir
[09:01] <abattoir> *sudo apt-get install kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[09:01] <abattoir> ;)
[09:02] <italo> I tried to install JDK + netbeans but he appeared msg
[09:02] <italo>           The launcher "jdk-1_5_0_07-nb-5_0-linux-ml.bin"
[09:02] <italo>           is not executable for the current user.  Please give
[09:02] <italo>           execute permission for the current user before
[09:02] <italo>           attempting to launch the installer.
[09:02] <jerry> I have a question
[09:03] <abattoir> italo: try 'sh ./jdk-1_5_0_07-nb-5_0-linux-ml.bin'
[09:03] <flake> which is a recommended pop3 email program to use with this
[09:03] <fiyawerx> don't need to sudo that?
[09:04] <abattoir> fiyawerx: i guess yes...
[09:04] <Zaire> well other then getting static after the first 10 min of playing war craft 2 it worked fine
[09:04] <abattoir> italo: append sudo...
[09:04] <abattoir> sudo sh ./jdk-1_5_0_07-nb-5_0-linux-ml.bin
[09:05] <abattoir> though i think a regular user installation in the home dir can be performed too
[09:05] <italo> abattoir: already I tried
[09:05] <abattoir> italo: even as sudo?
[09:05] <jerry> I have a question
[09:05] <abattoir> italo: try 'chmod a+x jdk....blah blah' ;)
[09:06] <abattoir> italo: then try executing the file
[09:06] <abattoir> italo: sorry, again i think you should prefix sudo for that
[09:07] <sysrpl> what is a good linuc gui programming channel?
[09:07] <sysrpl> linux gui
[09:08] <flake> is thundermail a good email client for pop3
[09:08] <nixternal> thunderbird you mean?  it is decent
[09:09] <nixternal> i am a fan of mutt for command line, and kmail for gui
[09:09] <flake> doh  yes  thanks
[09:09] <jerry> I have a question
[09:10] <abattoir> !ask
[09:10] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:10] <jerry> I want a webpage to automatically start in window #2
[09:10] <abattoir> jerry: :P
[09:11] <abattoir> jerry: in konqueror
[09:11] <abattoir> ?
[09:11] <jerry> in kubuntu
[09:11] <jerry> Desktop # 2
[09:11] <abattoir> you mean when ever you start Kubuntu, you want a webpage loaded?
[09:12] <jerry> ya but in window # 2
[09:12] <abattoir> jerry: one sec
[09:14] <abattoir> jerry: Konqueror(Kubuntu's Web Browser)->Settings->Configure Konqueror-Performance->Preloading->Preload an instance....
[09:14] <abattoir> jerry: i'm not sure how to get it into desktop 2... let me try it out.
[09:15] <Zaire> ok wth halflife installed but according to the autorun.exe it didn't and the only launchable application visible for it is Sierra Utilities
[09:17] <flake> i've got mail  :)
[09:18] <sysrpl> has anyone here installed?
[09:18] <abattoir> jerry: ok, have you done what i said before?
[09:19] <LittleMe> sysrpl: look for a KDE channel.. maybe #kde
[09:19] <jerry> ya
[09:19] <LittleMe> sysrpl: yeah #kde is populated
[09:20] <sysrpl> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:20] <sysrpl> found it
[09:20] <abattoir> jerry: open up a text editor, like kate
[09:21] <sysrpl> wow aptitude says i have to remove sun-java5-plugin to install that package
[09:21] <Zaire_inUT2k4> ok damnit now my UT 2004 doesn't have sound again
[09:21] <sysrpl> does that dound weird to anyone else?
[09:22] <sysrpl> dound = sound
[09:22] <abattoir> jerry: http://pastebin.ca/81217
[09:22] <abattoir> copy that and paste it in kate
[09:22] <abattoir> replace <your_site> w/ the site you want to open
[09:24] <jerry> what do I do with that?
[09:24] <abattoir> save it as konqueror.desktop in /home/user/Autostart/
[09:24] <abattoir> replace user w/ your username of course
[09:30] <Zaire_inUT2k4> damnit I had UT working with sound lastnight how the hell could that messup with out me even touching anything
[09:31] <Zaire_inUT2k4> OMFG now its working again
[09:33] <Zaire_inUT2k4> damnit somehow cedega is messing with my audio for my other non cedega using games
[09:34] <Burne> Hello, go to www.idpz.net/tomytom/BlogXXX.htm :)
[09:36] <nat_> hi all
[09:36] <h0e> can some 1 tell me a runecape chat room
[09:37] <h0e> HELL0
[09:37] <h0e> how do i make a bot
[09:38] <h0e> hel00000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[09:38] <fek> moin
[09:38] <emonkey> h0e, don't cry... we're here...
[09:38] <h0e> den help
[09:38] <h0e> =(
[09:38] <h0e> how do i make a bot
[09:38] <emonkey> why do you wan't a bot?
[09:39] <h0e> to make a room
[09:39] <h0e> like so i am ao operator
[09:39] <emonkey> for that dou you don't need a bot
[09:39] <emonkey> just create a now channel an register the channel
[09:39] <LittleMe> yeah join #imabot
[09:40] <boingolov> there are some nice perl modules for bot making
[09:40] <boingolov> get thee to cpan ;)
[09:40] <h0e> how do i register channel
[09:40] <emonkey> h0e, type /msg chanserv help
[09:41] <emonkey> boingolov, there's no need to have a bot to create a channel...
[09:41] <boingolov> nope
[09:41] <h0e> ?
[09:42] <emonkey> h0e, join a channel that doesn't exist with typing /j #somechannelnameyouwant
[09:42] <emonkey> then register it with chanserv
[09:43] <emonkey> aks chanserv for the commands with /msg chanserv help
[09:43] <h0e> i noe
[09:43] <h0e> how di u register with chan
[09:43] <emonkey> with /msg chanserv register
[09:44] <emonkey> but ask that chanserv with /msg chanserv help register
[09:44] <emonkey> chanserv is a bot which helps you with all that stuff, just ask him
[09:46] <h0e> ffs how do i register my name
[09:47] <emonkey> h0e, with /msg nickserv help register
[09:48] <emonkey> h0e, you're british?
[09:48] <h0e> yes
[09:48] <h0e> lol
[09:49] <h0e> wha?
[09:49] <emonkey> Essex near London...
[09:49] <h0e> what do i type cause i dunno wat da fuck i have to type
[09:50] <h0e> i live in leytonstone
[09:50] <h0e> and i am moving to higams park
[09:50] <h0e> thats more essez
[09:50] <h0e> so what do i typpe
[09:50] <emonkey> type /msg nickserv register password
[09:51] <h0e>  type /msg nickserv register urnanny
[09:51] <h0e> seee
[09:51] <h0e>  /msg nickserv register urnanny
[09:51] <h0e> seeeeee
[09:51] <emonkey> with no space
[09:51] <emonkey> bevore /msg
[09:52] <h0e> kk registerd
[09:52] <h0e> now what doi do to register channel again
[09:52] <emonkey> ask chanserv: /msg chanserv help register
[09:53] <h0e> it said this
[09:53] <h0e> REGISTER <#channel> [password] 
[09:53] <h0e> what do i put before that
[09:53] <emonkey> do /msg chanserv register #channelnameyouwant passwordyouwant
[09:54] <Zaire_inUT2k4> "/chanserv register <#channel> <pass>"
[09:54] <Zaire_inUT2k4> msg is unnecessary
[09:54] <h0e> kk done
[09:54] <h0e> now how do i make bot
[09:55] <emonkey> Zaire_inUT2k4, in this network yes... but the're others
[09:55] <Zaire_inUT2k4> Ive forgotten how lol
[09:55] <h0e> ?
[09:55] <Zaire_inUT2k4> actually emonkey you can reg a channel without the msg
[09:55] <Zaire_inUT2k4> I have
[09:55] <h0e> hello?
[09:56] <h0e> emonky
[09:56] <h0e> kk
[09:56] <h0e> ne 1 noe any runecape channels
[09:56] <h0e> please help
[09:57] <Zaire> yeps msg not needed I just did a test register
[09:58] <emonkey> Zaire, in freenode yes, but it's not the only one irc-net
[09:58] <Zaire> I know but all the ones Ive used were like that
[09:58] <emonkey> k
[09:59] <Zaire> then if you want to get rid of the channel you type /chanserv drop <channel> <pass>
[09:59] <emonkey> There's a net where /cs is enough
[10:00] <Zaire> cool lol I know a little about IRC but not as much as I used to since I haven't hosted a personal irc server for some time lol
[10:01] <Zaire> but anyway I gtg to bed have ta get up early l8rs all
[10:01] <emonkey> good night...
[10:09] <toni_> Hi ... anybody has a Radeon X800 using Cedega 5.1?
[10:09] <LittleMe> "Su returned with an error" when I try to enter administrator mode or run adept.  help
[10:09] <toni_> in console groups ?
[10:10] <toni_> what does that return ?
[10:10] <LittleMe> any program that wants to promp for root pswd it seems.. this just started
[10:10] <toni_> i had that last week because I modified my groups ...
[10:11] <toni_> users adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin localuser
[10:11] <LittleMe> hmmm
[10:12] <toni_> in console type "groups" and we'll see ?
[10:12] <LittleMe> jj adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[10:13] <toni_> hm ...
[10:13] <LittleMe> maybe because i changed my hostname with 'hostname' ???
[10:14] <LittleMe> ahh
[10:14] <toni_> ?
[10:14] <toni_> was the hostname ?
[10:15] <LittleMe> yeah that was it.  I changed my /etc/host hostname to something else.  i just changed it back. heh
[10:15] <ernie1207> you changed the hostname in /etc/hostname ... maybe your pc didn't recognize the new hostname
[10:16] <LittleMe> i did a 'hostname' to change the hostname but that obviously didn't take
[10:16] <ernie1207> Anybody uses CEDEGA with an ATI ?
[10:18] <LittleMe> well, after the reboot it tried to go back to the old name.  'hostname' apparently doesn't change any system files like /etc/hostname
[10:19] <Pupeno> Is it possible that as soon as I enable Xinerama I lots 3D and 2D acceleration (switching back to the mesa implementation) ? (using an Ati card and the fglrx driver)
[10:20] <LittleMe> ernie1207: not me.  i don't buy ati because their software is known to be of lesser quality
[10:20] <h0e> hello
[10:20] <ernie1207> yes ... now I knew that ... because some people told me the ati had now a better compatibility ...
[10:20] <h0e> any one know any runescape chats
[10:21] <ernie1207> :(..
[10:21] <ernie1207> I hoped to find a workaround ... but even the preloading of the mesalibraries didn't do it :( ..
[10:21] <ernie1207> next time i'll buy a nvidia
[10:23] <LittleMe> ernie1207: probably a good idea. I would like ati to do better software so competition would be better but.....
[10:23] <ej_> how do I install themes from kde look?
[10:23] <ernie1207> which themes ?
[10:23] <LittleMe> http://kde-look.org
[10:23] <ej_> the ones you donwload
[10:23] <ernie1207> yes ... next time ... i m always looking for new drivers ... but it seems that they could not fix the bugs ...
[10:24] <ernie1207> kde themes, kopete themes ? amarok themes ?
[10:24] <ej_> kde themes
[10:24] <ernie1207> kdecontroledit
[10:25] <LittleMe> ej_: there are most certainly instructions on the kde-look.org site
[10:25] <tulga> I cannot edit KDE menu. When I check changed menu, it is not changed... where problem?
[10:25] <ernie1207> don't know how its called in english ...
[10:26] <ernie1207> can you give me a link ... because there are different theme possibilities
[10:27] <kuzmaster> hello
[10:27] <h0e> any one know any runescape chats
[10:28] <LittleMe> h0e: sounds like a question that people here probably won't know
[10:28] <ernie1207> http://www.runescapechat.com/forum/ ?
[10:31] <ernie1207> runescape is free ?
[10:37] <Pupeno> Is it possible to send windows from one monitor to the other in a non-xinerama set-up ?
[10:38] <Nit> Hi when I try installed kubuntu on a new partition, when trying to resize the partition it complains about 31 unallocatd clusters or something.  Does anyone know about this problem?
[10:38] <LittleMe> Pupeno: what do you mean?
[10:39] <LittleMe> 31 unallocated clusters is not much space. don't worry about it.
[10:39] <Nit> It won't let me do anything though.
[10:39] <Nit> It says that message, and won't let me carry on.
[10:39] <Pupeno> LittleMe: I have a konsole in monitor 1, I want to move it to monitor 2. I am not using xinerama. Is it possible ?
[10:40] <LittleMe> Pupeno: can you drag the window from one screen to the other?
[10:40] <LittleMe> Nit: are you trying to resize a windows partition to create room for a new partition for linux?
[10:40] <Pupeno> LittleMe: no. That is what xinerama provides, among other things, I'd supouse.
[10:40] <kuzmaster> #adept
[10:40] <kuzmaster> i mean
[10:40] <kuzmaster> !adept
[10:40] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:40] <Nit> LittleMe: Yes, that's what I'm doing.
[10:41] <LittleMe> Pupeno: yes you can assign windows to open only on one screen or the other in a few ways
[10:41] <LittleMe> Nit: i suggest you use soemthing like partition magic to resize ntfs partitions
[10:41] <Pupeno> LittleMe: mh ? I don't want to assign windows to open in only one screen or the other, I can do that by running the program in one screen or the other, I want to be able to move them.
[10:42] <LittleMe> Pupeno: oh you can't move them?  is xinerama enabled?
[10:42] <Nit> Okay thanks LittleMe, I'll try that.
[10:42] <Nit> Bye.
[10:42] <LittleMe> Nit: the kubuntu installer or any linux installer won't be able to resize an ntfs partition, to my knowledge
[10:42] <Pupeno> LittleMe: no, I can't move them, xinerama *in* disabled! (that's why I meant by "non-xinerama set-up").
[10:42] <LittleMe> oh i see
[10:43] <LittleMe> Pupeno: is twinview enabled?
[10:43] <D4m4ge> hello
[10:43] <LittleMe> hi
[10:43] <Pupeno> LittleMe: no, that's nvidia specific, I don't have an nvidia card (this is an ati card).
[10:44] <LittleMe> Pupeno: oh yeah sorry hmmmm
[10:44] <Pupeno> LittleMe: no problem.
[10:45] <LittleMe> Pupeno: maybe this will help you http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#ATI
[10:45] <Pupeno> LittleMe: thank you.
[10:45] <LittleMe> Pupeno: here was my google search phrase:      ati linux xorg.conf "dual head"
[10:46] <Pupeno> LittleMe: that is for using mergefb, it seems mergefb only works with the free drivers (ati or radeon) which I'd like to use, but they just don't support my card yet. So I am stuck with fglrx or vesa.
[10:58] <proog> i cant use the recommended driver for my EPSON Stylus RX425 in Kubuntu... how do i use it? it says that it couldnt find the driver or that i dont have permission to do it. please help me!
[11:00] <kuzmaster> 
[11:00] <kuzmaster> !splash-screen
[11:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about splash-screen
[11:00] <kuzmaster> !splash
[11:00] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, open the gconf-editor and change the key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash-image.
[11:01] <LittleMe> proog: where did you get the driver?
[11:01] <proog> i didnt get it... it was already listed
[11:02] <LittleMe> proog: ahh
[11:02] <LittleMe> proog: have you set your root password in kubuntu?
[11:02] <proog> its the same as my user's password... kubuntu is installed to hd :P
[11:03] <LittleMe> proog: so when you run adept it prompts you for pswd and you enter it and adept works and updates?
[11:03] <proog> yes
[11:03] <proog> everything else seems to work fine
[11:03] <kuzmaster> when ever i try to access the drive that i just
[11:03] <LittleMe> okay
[11:04] <LittleMe> did you try to find a driver on the epson site?
[11:04] <proog> no
[11:04] <proog> i will
[11:04] <LittleMe> you could do that or you could see what printer(s) are compatible with yours and try to use those drivers
[11:06] <proog> yeah, but its strange, it worked in the version before the final LTS release
[11:06] <LittleMe> proog: I don't know much about linux printing but someone else here might
[11:07] <kuzmaster> when ever i try to access the drive that i just installed ubuntu dapper drake on, it comes up with this error message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17394
[11:07] <kuzmaster> any help?
[11:08] <LittleMe> what is your /etc/fstab entry for /dev/hdd1
[11:09] <kuzmaster> hang on
[11:09] <kuzmaster> ill post it
[11:09] <LittleMe> also what does "fdisk -l" report?
[11:10] <kuzmaster> sudo fdisk -l?
[11:11] <LittleMe> kuzmaster: look at this page (links at bottom of page) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2303028
[11:12] <kuzmaster> but anyway... my fstab http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17396 and output of fdisk -l http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17397
[11:12] <easynintendo> can someone help me please?
[11:12] <emonkey> easynintendo, ask your question, don't ask for help.
[11:13] <emonkey> I mean just ask...
[11:13] <easynintendo> i need to recompile my kernel
[11:14] <LittleMe> kuzmaster: your fstab entry says to load hdd1 as a dos partition but your 'fdisk -l' shows that it is a linux partition
[11:14] <kuzmaster> ok, so.... what do i do?
[11:15] <LittleMe> kuzmaster: firstly, backup your /etc/fstab to /etc/fstab.2006.07.07
[11:15] <kuzmaster> ok, hang on
[11:15] <kuzmaster> LittleMe, yes
[11:16] <LittleMe> kuzmaster: change your hdd1 entry in fstab to this:
[11:17] <LittleMe> "/dev/hdd1 /media/hdd1  ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1"
[11:17] <LittleMe> no quotes
[11:17] <LittleMe> i think that's right
[11:17] <kuzmaster> ok
[11:17] <snikker> easynintendo: look here:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85064  or here; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:18] <easynintendo> snikker i need to do it for suse, but nobody in #suse is answering
[11:18] <easynintendo> or talking at all
[11:18] <kuzmaster> LittleMe, done, now do i try accessing the drive?
[11:19] <LittleMe> kuzmaster: type "mount -a" to mount all entries in fstab (including our new entry for hdd1)
[11:19] <kuzmaster> ok
[11:19] <kuzmaster> sudo?
[11:19] <LittleMe> kuzmaster:  i mean 'sudo mount -a'
[11:19] <LittleMe> yeah
[11:19] <kuzmaster> ok, thnax
[11:20] <LittleMe> or mount /media/hdd1
[11:20] <LittleMe> yw\
[11:20] <emonkey> easynintendo, do you asked google? I think there are some HowTos to compile a SuSE Kernel
[11:20] <kuzmaster> should it output anything?
[11:20] <LittleMe> no[e
[11:20] <LittleMe> nope
[11:20] <kuzmaster> ok
[11:20] <LittleMe> type 'ls /media/hdd1'
[11:20] <kuzmaster> thanx
[11:20] <kuzmaster> it works now
[11:20] <LittleMe> i take paypal donations :)
[11:21] <LittleMe> feed me please !
[11:21] <snikker> easynintendo: i don't know what is the easy way for compilie the kernel under suse... btw you can do the classical way...
[11:22] <LittleMe> kubuntu: nice name
[11:22] <kuzmaster> stimz, are you in a live cd?
[11:22] <LittleMe> kuzmaster: glad its working
[11:22] <stimz> no
[11:23] <kuzmaster> yeah, same
[11:23] <stimz> I'm running on VMware
[11:23] <kuzmaster> ohhhh, ok
[11:23] <stimz> :D
[11:23] <stimz> good fun
[11:23] <stimz> I'm at work running XP, and have Kubuntu on a Virtual Machine!!
[11:23] <kuzmaster> ive never used it cos i dont have it
[11:23] <kuzmaster> i wish i had it
[11:23] <stimz> well I read about it in TUXmagazine
[11:24] <stimz> you can d/l it for free
[11:24] <kuzmaster> it would make life a whole lost easire
[11:24] <kuzmaster> ohh, i thort u had to pay 4 it
[11:24] <stimz> like I said you can get it for free
[11:24] <stimz> no
[11:24] <LittleMe> yeah vmware player is free
[11:24] <stimz> get this month TTUX mag and it tells you how to do it
[11:24] <kuzmaster> so google vmware player?
[11:24] <stimz> awesome stuff
[11:24] <stimz> yep
[11:24] <LittleMe> yeah vmware player and look for a kubuntu image
[11:25] <kuzmaster> yeah well, chances r i cant get ttux mag cos im in australia
[11:25] <snikker> i've recompiled the kernel with the config file found in /boot, but when it start i don't see nothing, only when xserver start i can see the display... what's mean?
[11:25] <LittleMe> there are other images too
[11:25] <stimz> TUX mag is a free online magazine
[11:25] <kuzmaster> ohhhhhh, thats even better
[11:25] <stimz> its not a hard copy so to speak
[11:25] <kuzmaster> ill google that to
[11:25] <stimz> :D isn't this a great day!
[11:25] <kuzmaster> lol, yeah!!!!!
[11:25] <LittleMe> it is!
[11:26] <stimz> :D
[11:26] <stimz> Linux rules, I'm now trying to get TASpring. Open Source Total Annihilation but better...
[11:27] <kuzmaster> yeah, im thinking about putting it on my xbox
[11:27] <stimz> ?! you can do that?
[11:27] <kuzmaster> yeah
[11:27] <kuzmaster> !xbox
[11:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about xbox
[11:28] <LittleMe> taspring eh? cool!
[11:28] <kuzmaster> :(
[11:28] <LittleMe> i loved Total Annihilation back in the 90s
[11:28] <LittleMe> found the site
[11:28] <kuzmaster> http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page
[11:29] <stimz> awesome!! wow, what an awesome day
[11:29] <kuzmaster> lol
[11:29] <stimz> there is a iRC room #taspring too, but no one is responding :*(
[11:29] <LittleMe> wow taspring looks cool
[11:29] <kuzmaster> the main good think 4 me to day is that i got my ubuntu and kubuntu cds
[11:29] <kuzmaster> all 20 of them
[11:29] <stimz> it does!!!
[11:30] <stimz> wow! download or post?
[11:30] <kuzmaster> post
[11:30] <kuzmaster> i downloaded kubuntu 6.06 ages ago
[11:30] <stimz> The terrain in TAspring is blow-up-able! it looks fantastic
[11:30] <kuzmaster> but i wanted a post copy of them 2, cos there cool
[11:30] <LittleMe> building source?
[11:31] <stimz> great stuff kuz!! Kubuntu and debian has revolutionized my life too..
[11:31] <kuzmaster> yeah
[11:31] <kuzmaster> love ubuntu
[11:31] <kuzmaster> never tried debien
[11:31] <kuzmaster> tried suse 10.1, but got rid of it cos i couldnt get my wireless card 2 work on it
[11:32] <stimz> LittleMe: there is word that packages are actually in the pipeline and that someone has build unofficial ones already
[11:32] <kuzmaster> brb, c if my ubuntu will work
[11:32] <LittleMe> stimz: well I just downloaded the source to compile.. i love TA
[11:33] <kuzmaster> actually, ill try booting it with vmware
[11:33] <stimz> Ubuntu is based on debian, so technically you have tried debian :D, it's good fun, and lives up to the Free Software ethics, but not necessarily easy for the newbie
[11:33] <stimz> LittleMe: Beat me to it :D enjoy, and let me know I might try it too!!!
[11:33] <Prakti> Thanx for pointing out TA Spring
[11:33] <stimz> Okay KUz
[11:33] <kuzmaster> stimz, i no its based on debian, but i havnt tried debian debian
[11:33] <LittleMe> I'll compile it later though.  very tired. sun is coming up
[11:34] <stimz> heheh, ola Little me, buenos noches! so they say...
[11:34] <stimz> oh i see kuz, ;)
[11:34] <Gecko> Hey there. I just installed kubuntu and tried to install the nvidia modules. However, I've installed the latest kernel (2.6.15-25-686) and the necessary restricted modules, as well as the other nvidia packages. When I load up X, I get an error about a version mismatch between the nvidia kernel and the glx. I checked out the version bundled with the restricted-modules, and it seems to be the same version as the glx ...
[11:34] <LittleMe> Here's a cool game i play - TomeNET - http://www.tomenet.net - mutliplayer roguelike RPG.
[11:34] <Gecko> ... one, so can anyone help me out here?
[11:35] <kuzmaster> meh, cant be botherd with vmware now
[11:35] <kuzmaster> brb
[11:35] <LittleMe> Gecko: did you search the ubuntu forums?
[11:35] <Gecko> LittleMe: that's a bit hard without X
[11:36] <LittleMe> can you use a live cd or another computer?
[11:36] <Gecko> LittleMe: perhaps :)
[11:36] <LittleMe> try re-installing the nvidia driver.. just a guess
[11:37] <LittleMe> kubuntu 6.06 is a live cd :)
[11:37] <LittleMe> Gecko: also, using the live cd, go into your kubunto partition and try to restore an older backup of your /etc/xorg.conf file
[11:38] <Prakti> I'm going to try to compile TA Spring now. Anyone on it too?
[11:38] <LittleMe> Prakti: i'll try too
[11:38] <Prakti> they are using scons as their build-system, very advanced.
[11:41] <LittleMe> gecko and prakti - Supreme Commander is coming out later this year apparently
[11:41] <Prakti> interesting
[11:41] <Prakti> anyone tried glest already=
[11:41] <Prakti> ?
[11:41] <LittleMe> Chris (johnson?) the guy who made TA is doing what is basically TA 2
[11:41] <Gecko> How do I chose which one of the nvidia to load? it has both the legacy and the non-legacy one in restricted modules..
[11:43] <LittleMe> Gecko: isn't it best to just get X working first?
[11:43] <LittleMe> try getting the nv driver working
[11:44] <Prakti> Gecko:  what card do you have?
[11:44] <serenity> hiho
[11:44] <Prakti> anything with a force in it should be nvidia
[11:45] <Prakti> the legacy are imho only for some old tnt-like chipsets.
[11:45] <serenity> Prakti is right
[11:45] <Prakti> but it shouldn't be difficult to get evidence on this.
[11:45] <LittleMe> Prakti: how do I compile it? can't find a makefile
[11:46] <Prakti> LittleMe:  as i already mentioned: TA Spring uses scons
[11:46] <Prakti> apt-get install scons
[11:46] <Prakti> then scons configure
[11:46] <LittleMe> Prakti: ahhh thanks
[11:46] <Prakti> Just wait some more time
[11:47] <Prakti> Gecko:  did you already have a look at "lspci" ?
[11:47] <LittleMe> Prakti: do I do scons configure in the taspring_0.72b1 directory?
[11:48] <Prakti> right
[11:48] <Prakti> should come up with many dependencies,.... one by one.
[11:48] <Prakti> I'm just creating a list.
[11:48] <LittleMe> yeah it wants LibSDL headers..
[11:48] <LittleMe> So i'll use adept to install them
[11:48] <LittleMe> right?
[11:49] <Prakti> nooo
[11:49] <LittleMe> oh
[11:49] <Prakti> use the shell
[11:49] <Prakti> faster to locat
[11:49] <Prakti> adept is sometimes some nasty slow bitch
[11:49] <Prakti> you have yakuake?
[11:49] <edulix> is there any deb package for eclipse 3.2 ?
[11:49] <edulix> (hi !)
[11:49] <LittleMe> Prakti: libsdl1.2-dev   ?
[11:49] <Prakti> I suppose
[11:50] <Prakti> scons will tell you if this is not right.
[11:50] <LittleMe> okay thanks
[11:50] <Prakti> It's doing some version checking too
[11:51] <LittleMe> Prakti: yes libsdl1.2-dev seems to have worked but now it wants OpenAL heh
[11:52] <LittleMe> Prakti: hmm openAL is not in the repositories?
[11:52] <Prakti> LittleMe: Oh no it surely wants some more than that.
[11:52] <Prakti> because by default all the -dev things are missing in Debian
[11:53] <Prakti> and so they are in Kubuntu
[11:53] <stimz> Praki: would you be willing to post a how-to install taspring on the Kubuntu forums, I have to go out, and I'm going to miss all the speak about how to install it :(
[11:53] <kuzmaster> back
[11:53] <stimz> :D
[11:53] <Prakti> LittleMe: sudo apt-get install libopenal-dev libglew-dev libboost-dev libboost-thread-dev libboost-filesystem-dev libboost-regex-dev libdevil-dev
[11:54] <Prakti> stimz:  Hmm I don't have an account there I suppose.
[11:54] <kuzmaster> and no luck, ubuntu wont work with my wireless card, but kubuntu will, strange, isnt it?
[11:54] <LittleMe> wow thanks
[11:54] <Prakti> LittleMe: there might be more
[11:54] <stimz> Prakti: do you have one on LinuxQuestions or elsewhere? that I could get to?
[11:55] <stimz> anyway I have to dash, I will leave this window open so I can see what you responded. Thanks guys, your stars:D
[11:55] <LittleMe> Prakti: Couldn't find package libopenal-dev
[11:56] <LittleMe> I guess I need to update my source.list
[11:56] <Prakti> you might need universe and multiverse
[11:56] <LittleMe> k
[11:58] <cain__> chz
[11:58] <LittleMe> Prakti: multiverse are at http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ???
[11:59] <kuzmaster> !multiverse
[11:59] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:00] <kuzmaster> !easysource
[12:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:00] <kuzmaster> i love that, it soo easy
[12:00] <klerfayt> kwriteconfig --key SmoothScrolling --type bool true  -and it is still not enabled?!
[12:01] <Prakti> kuzmaster: what kind of bot is kubotu ?
[12:02] <kuzmaster> ummm, dont no
[12:02] <kuzmaster> one thats really usefull
[12:02] <Prakti> yeah sure
[12:02] <kuzmaster> an irc bot?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Prakti: kubotu?
[12:02] <kuzmaster> !ubotu
[12:02] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:02] <Prakti> ah
[12:02] <Prakti> an infobot
[12:02] <neuron_> hey
[12:02] <neuron_> i got a problem with the flash player
[12:03] <Prakti> LittleMe: I'm into compilation-phase now
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Prakti: IIRC, a supybot.  the old one was a blootbot.
[12:03] <neuron_> the flash sites arent looking the way they should
[12:03] <neuron_> for example http://www.g4tv.com
[12:04] <LittleMe> Prakti: nice !
[12:05] <LittleMe> Prakti: installing those packages you suggested
[12:05] <kuzmaster> !flash
[12:05] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:07] <Prakti> neuron_:  the url you submitted works like a charm for me though I have some issues with google-video, but only on Konqueror.
[12:07] <Prakti> hmm
[12:07] <neuron_> i already have flash installed, the swfs show up, just not the way they should tho
[12:07] <neuron_> let me take a screenshot
[12:08] <LittleMe> Prakti: "Everything seems OK.  Run `scons' now to build."
[12:08] <Prakti> LittleMe: go for it
[12:09] <Prakti> everything should go like a charm from now
[12:09] <neuron_> oh,and when i enter the site the flash doesnt show up, and i get this message: This site requires that JavaScript be enabled and the Flash plug-in be installed. If you already have Macromedia Flash Player 8 installed, then you may continue browsing the site.
[12:09] <neuron_> i got javascript and the latest flash player from macromedia
[12:09] <neuron_> its just i dont have flash 8
[12:09] <Prakti> maybe thats the issue
[12:09] <neuron_> there is no flash 8 for linux
[12:10] <Prakti> neuron_:  what browser are you using with flash
[12:10] <LittleMe> bbiab
[12:11] <kuzmaster> !flash
[12:11] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:12] <neuron_> firefox
[12:12] <kuzmaster> !firefox
[12:12] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[12:12] <neuron_> http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot81qh.jpg there you go
[12:12] <Prakti> neuron_:  hmmm never had issues with firefox
[12:13] <neuron_> me neither
[12:13] <neuron_> since now
[12:13] <Lynoure> on kubuntu konquerer is default...
[12:14] <Prakti> hmmm,...
[12:14] <Lynoure> Occasionally my firefox does not get saved with the session, but otherwise I've been happy with it
[12:15] <neuron_> and i got gsfonts installed
[12:16] <klerfayt> my firefox crashes constantly then flash is used heavily (google video)
[12:16] <Prakti> LittleMe:  I just ran into problems while doing an scons install
[12:16] <neuron_> i dont have that kind of priblem
[12:16] <neuron_> i dont realy care about that flash, but the error message
[12:16] <franz_> while doing  ./configure  i got the following message:
[12:16] <Prakti> LittleMe:  I correct: after I did a scons install
[12:16] <franz_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:16] <neuron_> and i got javascrit and flash installed
[12:17] <franz_> what can be wrong with C compiler?
[12:18] <klerfayt> anyone got google video working in konqueror? (it worked in suse10)
[12:21] <franz_> on a freshly installed kubuntu, while installing a program from a tar.gz i got this message during configure:
[12:21] <franz_> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:21] <franz_> what could it be?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[12:21] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first!)
[12:21] <Hobbsee> franz_: ^
[12:22] <franz_> could not find that program as a pre-built package
[12:22] <franz_> Hobbsee, what u mean ?  perplexed?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> franz_: yeah, it should come back as "sudo apt-get install build-essentials"
[12:24] <franz_> Hobbsee, the program is a tool i found on Sourceforge
[12:24] <Hobbsee> franz_: yeah, type "sudo apt-get install build-essentials" to get the compiler and all that
[12:24] <franz_> will try  ;-)
[12:26] <franz_> Hobbsee,   it says : impossible to find build-essentials
[12:27] <Hobbsee> franz_:  type "sudo apt-get install build-essential" then
[12:27] <franz_> ok ;-)
[12:28] <serenity> Hobbsee: it's annoying build-essential(s)
[12:28] <Hobbsee> serenity: it is, it is...
[12:28] <franz_> it's downloading now...  thanks Hobbsee
[12:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:28] <serenity> there should be a global alias for build-essential(s)
[12:28] <serenity> :-)
[12:29] <Prakti> LittleMe: we are dorks -> http://taspring.clan-sy.com/wiki/SetupGuide
[12:29] <Prakti> LittleMe: enjoy
[12:29] <milkspank> an apt-cache search will usually sort that out
[12:29] <franz_> Hobbsee, now ./configure works fine!  thanks a lot
[12:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:30] <Prakti> LittleMe: we also need to download the linux-data pack
[12:33] <wily> hi guys
[12:33] <wily> i've a strange problem with sd reader
[12:33] <wily> in kubuntu dapper
[12:33] <wily> anyone knows something about?
[12:33] <LittleMe> Prakti: back!
[12:33] <scheuri> wily: I dont...but it might help to define "strange problem"
[12:34] <Lynoure> scheuri is right, we still don't have mindreading perfected :)
[12:34] <wily> simple! i see it in lspci but i've not an icon and dmesg don't read it
[12:34] <scheuri> Lynoure: you may not, young padawan...;)
[12:34] <scheuri> Lynoure: I was just being annoying...;)
[12:35] <Lynoure> scheuri: I might be an old padawan compared to you (wild guess)
[12:35] <scheuri> Lynoure: uuhh...now we come to define "old" in here...;)
[12:35] <scheuri> wily: is it build in? or usb?
[12:36] <TheHighChild> this is going to sound stupid but are there any keyboards that are better in tux than not?
[12:36] <scheuri> TheHighChild: as in connects to PC? keys?
[12:37] <TheHighChild> scheuri: I don't want keys that won't work "plug and play" there's enough crap for me to learn besides remapping keys.
[12:38] <scheuri> TheHighChild: well, if your xconfig is configured correctly, the only key not working natively (as far as I know) is the windows-key
[12:38] <TheHighChild> scheuri: Ideally it'd be recognzized by tux if there are any special keys, usb2.0 and minimal impact
[12:38] <Lynoure> TheHighChild: Never yet ran into a keyboard that wouldn't work, but I must admit I haven't been actively looking for difficult ones. I could imagine one's with a build-in trackball being possibly problematic
[12:38] <LittleMe> Prakti: i'm in & out.  neighbor's cat is here
[12:38] <blaster999> hi all
[12:38] <scheuri> TheHighChild: Lynoure is right...and you might have troubles with older distrubutions and USB...but...as of Dapper...I cant think of some
[12:38] <blaster999> anyone knows where can I get QSA package for kubuntu?
[12:38] <TheHighChild> Yeah, they all work but I was curious if any worked better than others. I had some crap coming from my Logitech Elite
[12:39] <scheuri> TheHighChild: this is very likely because there are some minor...glitches...in configuration...
[12:39] <scheuri> TheHighChild: nothing too serious I guess
[12:39] <TheHighChild> ok, any sort of linux capability aside, do you guys suggest a keyboard (NOT a kinesis)
[12:40] <scheuri> TheHighChild: I usually go for logitech stuff...the thinner ones...worked good so far
[12:40] <TheHighChild> The keyboard I have is about 10 years old and the impact kills my fingers
[12:40] <Pupeno> any ideas how to reach kapatpult cofiguration window ?
[12:40] <TheHighChild> alt + space
[12:40] <wily> i'm become crazy!
[12:40] <wily> with sd reader
[12:40] <wily> support is ok
[12:40] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: that brings up katapult to run a program, how do I reach the fonfiguration window ?
[12:40] <wily> in lspci i see it
[12:41] <scheuri> wily: okay...have you checked /var/log/messages?
[12:41] <wily> but in
[12:41] <wily> sr 1:0:0:0: Device not ready.
[12:41] <wily> [17187315.804000]  end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[12:41] <LionRock> http://clients.arranschlosberg.com/chuck/index.htm :D
[12:41] <wily> repeating error
[12:41] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: I realized what you meant before I barfed that out, sorry. I don't know but probably if you have it docked in icontray
[12:41] <scheuri> hmmm
[12:41] <Pupeno> TheHighChild: alt-space ctrl-c
[12:41] <Pupeno> (answered in #kde)
[12:42] <scheuri> Pupeno: thanks
[12:42] <TheHighChild> Pupeno: bravo, very cool
[12:43] <TheHighChild> anyone know what the deal was with the ubuntu forums all last night
[12:43] <alessandro_> Hi
[12:45] <TheHighChild> Anyone use a wireless keyboard on tux?
[12:45] <blaster999> TheHighChild: only wireless mouse
[12:46] <Hobbsee> TheHighChild: down for maintenence?
[12:47] <kuzmaster> what is the website for TTUX mag?
[12:47] <TheHighChild> was that it? It just kept asking for a login and pass, which didn't work of course. Oddly enoguh, for gogle's cache as well.
[12:50] <filo> what is the metod for install skype in 64 bit
[12:50] <filo> ??
[12:52] <flake> TASpring?
[12:53] <LittleMe> TASpring is a Total Annihilation-like game http://taspring.clan-sy.com/
[12:53] <flake> i see, neat
[12:54] <wily> guys anyone can help me with sd reader builtin
[12:54] <wily> ?
[12:55] <blaster999> wily: notebook?
[12:55] <wily> yes
[12:55] <wily> i've many errors
[12:55] <wily> i see it in lspci
[12:55] <blaster999> wily: a new one? Or an older model?
[12:55] <wily> blaster999: new
[12:56] <flake> i lost my original ta cd
[12:56] <flake> my friend still has his
[12:56] <blaster999> wily: hmmm... You might be out of luck - many new cardreaders are unsupported in linux :(
[12:57] <wily> Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
[12:57] <flake> does it run under wine
[12:59] <alessandro_> How can I install additional fonts in kubuntu?
[12:59] <alessandro_> times new roman for example
[12:59] <wily> alessandro come si fa su tutti i sistemi linux
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> alessandro_: There is a package in multiverse called msttcorefonts or somthing like that
[01:00] <mongey> how do i set kdm to default via console
[01:01] <h3sp4wn> mongey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:01] <mongey> ty
[01:02] <alessandro_> thanks
[01:03] <flake> I just installed TAspring on my C: drive (windows) under kubuntu - should I be afraid?  It didn't ask me for a password plus isn't it read only?
[01:04] <flake> wine installed it
[01:07] <root_> buenas
[01:07] <root_> alguien sabe alguna web para tuenar el kde
[01:08] <root_> aadir aplicaciones , como un analizador del trafico de la cpu
[01:08] <root_> o modificar las barras del kde
[01:09] <Pupeno> !es
[01:09] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:10] <Pupeno> root_: no estaras conectado como root no ? eso es una mala idea, muy mala. Deberias usar un usuario standard.
[01:10] <Pupeno> root_: tambien te recomiendo que preguntes en #kde-es
[01:19] <LittleMe> Prakti: wow TASpring is amazing
[01:20] <xanax`> hello/
[01:22] <r0xz> ehm this i weird, i have a file bittorrent.mo with group and owner "1014"
[01:31] <Prakti> LittleMe: you surely are right
[01:31] <Prakti> just getting into it
[01:31] <Prakti> But I need to work some more on some LaTeX-Report
[01:32] <LittleMe> Prakti: okay on your report (at work?) .  press F5 in gameplay to follow units in 3rd person perspective. amazing
[01:33] <LittleMe> Prakti: here are more files http://www.fileuniverse.com/?p=listing&ID=90
[01:37] <bluesceada> hi
[01:38] <Prakti> just found them
[01:38] <Prakti> LittleMe:  will take a look at them tonight
[01:38] <LittleMe> Prakti: i can't do private msgs yet sorry
[01:39] <LittleMe> Prakti: okay sounds great maybe I'll see you here after I register and we can play a game
[01:39] <Prakti> LittleMe: _Truely_ one of the most promising "free" games
[01:39] <bluesceada> anyone can help me with something tft problems? ... i have a laptop with trident cyberblade i1 graphics, it was winxp on this laptop .. now in kubuntu the whole shown screen seems to be moved to the right side .. i cant see 2 lines of pixels at the right, while on the left side there are 2 black lines
[01:39] <LittleMe> Prakti: YEAH DEFINITELY.
[01:39] <beazely> anyone got xgl etc going well with kde?
[01:39] <bluesceada> also, when i let it show on a monitor it's more to the right shown as to the left... (ok no problem to correct with a crt..)
[01:40] <bluesceada> so anyone can help me how to get it working on the notebook tft?
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> What is the default dpi that is used by kubuntu
[01:40] <bluesceada> i cant correct anything on this tft, so normally the driver should do it correctly, like in win xp
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> (for fon'tse)
[01:40] <bluesceada> anyone?
[01:40] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: 75 ? i think it depends on the display..
[01:41] <LittleMe> bluesceada: it sounds like you need to put a custom modeline in your xorg.conf. i could be mistaken
[01:41] <bluesceada> hm
[01:41] <bluesceada> it's just like a pixel offset or so
[01:41] <bluesceada> so if i could enter "x-axis correction: -2" or similiar ...
[01:41] <wily> anyone can help me with sd reader?
[01:42] <LittleMe> bluesceada: ahh yeah hold a sec
[01:42] <bluesceada> LittleMe: okay
[01:42] <bluesceada> wily: what is your problem
[01:42] <wily> bluesceada: i see it in lspci
[01:42] <wily> and device works
[01:43] <bluesceada> but?
[01:43] <wily> but i've many errors in dmesg
[01:43] <bluesceada> hm :/
[01:43] <wily> when i insert an sd in reader
[01:44] <bluesceada> wily: maybe damaged card or similiar?
[01:45] <wily> no bluesceada
[01:45] <bluesceada> hm
[01:45] <wily> i think
[01:45] <bluesceada> LittleMe: and, have some hints?
[01:45] <bluesceada> i read man trident ..
[01:45] <LittleMe> bluesceada: it's a guess but in your serverlayout section
[01:46] <LittleMe> Screen         0 "Screen0" 2 0
[01:46] <LittleMe> see the 2 there, that might move it over 2.. it might not though
[01:46] <bluesceada> hmm
[01:46] <bluesceada> ok i try
[01:46] <bluesceada> thanks..
[01:46] <bluesceada> brb
[01:47] <LittleMe> k
[01:47] <LittleMe> yw
[01:48] <wily> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17408
[01:48] <wily> there are error inserting SD in reader
[01:48] <wily> please help me
[01:49] <LittleMe> wily: did you try to google any of those error messages?
[01:49] <wily> yes
[01:49] <LittleMe> put quotes around the whole error message, important
[01:49] <wily> i can't find it
[01:50] <LittleMe> bluesceada: work?
[01:50] <bluesceada> re
[01:50] <wily> bluesceada: i paste my errors
[01:50] <bluesceada> didnt get it working
[01:50] <wily> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17408
[01:50] <bluesceada> :/
[01:50] <bluesceada> no
[01:50] <bluesceada> wily: ok
[01:50] <LittleMe> bluesceada: ok make sure screen0 in that text matches your screen identifier
[01:50] <Fiyawerx> !html
[01:50] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[01:50] <bluesceada> hm yeh it does
[01:50] <LittleMe> bluesceada: hmm
[01:50] <bluesceada> i quite know some stuff about the xorg.conf
[01:50] <LittleMe> oh okay
[01:51] <bluesceada> there is some interesting XvHsync stuff
[01:51] <bluesceada> Override the default horiz sync value, for xv it's to center the xv imge on the screen
[01:51] <bluesceada> default is 0
[01:51] <bluesceada> hm
[01:52] <bluesceada> i did also try that with -2 and ddidnt help :/
[01:52] <LittleMe> bluesceada: did you try gtf ?
[01:52] <bluesceada> what's that
[01:52] <LittleMe> bluesceada: builds a custom modeline for you. works great
[01:52] <bluesceada> yeh but what to do with another modeline?
[01:52] <bluesceada> shouldnt it be something different
[01:53] <LittleMe> bluesceada: like if you want 1024x768@100hz then you type 'gtf 1024 768 100'
[01:53] <LittleMe> bluesceada: then you put the line it generates into the 'Monitor' section
[01:53] <bluesceada> yah
[01:53] <bluesceada> ok
[01:53] <wily> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17408
[01:54] <bluesceada> but it is already running at 1024x768 :/
[01:54] <wily> please help me i need it
[01:54] <bluesceada> wily: ah yeh sry
[01:54] <bluesceada> wily: hm what kind of card reader is it?
[01:54] <bluesceada> google for it
[01:54] <bluesceada> but the error looks like defective card somehow
[01:54] <LittleMe> bluesceada: go ahead and generate a custom modeline.. it may fix your issue
[01:54] <bluesceada> LittleMe: okay.. thanks
[01:54] <LittleMe> bluesceada:  it did for someone else earlier
[01:54] <wily> Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter
[01:55] <bluesceada> LittleMe: ah ok
[01:55] <bluesceada> wily: there is some database about card readers and other usb storage stuff, i just dont know  the url atm
[01:55] <bluesceada> you could google for it
[01:55] <wily> i try it
[01:55] <wily> thanx
[01:58] <LittleMe> bluesceada: http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143272
[01:59] <bluesceada> LittleMe: thx
[02:00] <LittleMe> bluesceada: looks like the modeline may fix it
[02:00] <bluesceada> hm not so far
[02:00] <bluesceada> i need to find out what the tft supports, right?
[02:00] <LittleMe> yes but you can do 60hz by default, that should work
[02:00] <LittleMe> bluesceada: backup your xorg.conf first
[02:00] <wily> ok bluesceada
[02:00] <bluesceada> yeh of course
[02:01] <wily> i must to wait 2.6.17 kernel
[02:01] <bluesceada> LittleMe: there is already a 60hz 1024x768 modeline
[02:01] <bluesceada> wily: oh okay..
[02:01] <bluesceada> maybe you can build it yourself then
[02:01] <LittleMe> bluesceada: see what gtf generates anyway for 60hz
[02:01] <wily> my reader is too young
[02:01] <bluesceada> LittleMe: yeah i will do
[02:01] <bluesceada> i try aorund now.. thnaks
[02:02] <LittleMe> bluesceada: http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=12700
[02:02] <bluesceada> but he has the same graphics hardware
[02:02] <bluesceada> so there lies the problem probably
[02:02] <bluesceada> i will find a fix, i'm sure
[02:02] <bluesceada> thanks for your help
[02:02] <LittleMe> bluesceada: notice a1phaomega's response on that last link
[02:02] <bluesceada> k
[02:03] <_StarScream> hi guys. having some issues with dapper / ibook g3 800/ airport and network manager
[02:03] <_StarScream> i can use iwlist
[02:03] <_StarScream> to scan networks
[02:04] <_StarScream> but they don't appear in network manager
[02:04] <_StarScream> prior to the last dapper update they did...but they wouldn't allow me to join
[02:04] <_StarScream> with or without encryption
[02:04] <_StarScream> any idea how i can debug this ?
[02:05] <LittleMe> bluesceada: yw.  that last link seems to have the fix
[02:05] <bluesceada> yeh :)
[02:05] <bluesceada> thanks
[02:05] <LittleMe> bluesceada: my google search was :   xorg.conf "screen position"
[02:05] <bluesceada> ah
[02:14] <kubuntu_> hi
[02:15] <kubuntu_> i need hel about gl screensavers
[02:15] <kubuntu_> i can see the preview but when i try do test the screensaver, i can se only a blank screen...
[02:16] <emonkey> kubuntu_, maybe you haven't 3d acceleration
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> Has anyone tried nspluginwrapper (32bit plugins in firefox 64 bit) - Thinking of getting a 64bit box
[02:16] <emonkey> in this case all 3d screensaver doesn't work
[02:16] <kubuntu_> emonkey: i don't think so..in past, i had debian and the same laptop..and gl screensavers :D
[02:16] <bluesceada> LittleMe: seems not to work :(
[02:17] <sponix> any k9copy users in here ?
[02:17] <emonkey> kubuntu_, ok... can you try to start the screensaver from a konsole?
[02:18] <kubuntu_> emonkey: it's not strange thet i can see the preview without open gl card? :)
[02:18] <kubuntu_> emonkey: i can try
[02:18] <emonkey> kubuntu_, hm maybe
[02:20] <LittleMe> bluesceada: sorry about that.. not sure if I can help more
[02:20] <bluesceada> hm
[02:20] <bluesceada> :/
[02:21] <bluesceada> it's ok
[02:21] <bluesceada> you tried ;-)
[02:21] <Dunedan|LinuxMac> Does anybody know where networkmanager stores it's configs?
[02:21] <LittleMe> did you see something near the end of that page about using xvidtune ??
[02:22] <Mongey> is there an add on or setting for kde so that when you switch desktop, the prgrams in the taskbar change, so that its only the programs in that desktop that are shown in the taskbar
[02:22] <emonkey> Dunedan|LinuxMac, I think it uses /etc/network/interfaces
[02:24] <Dunedan|LinuxMac> emonkey: No, that's not the thing I'm searching for. I search for some parameters of networkmanager like "ap_scan"
[02:24] <LittleMe> bluesceada: did you see near the end of that page about using xvidtune ??
[02:24] <bluesceada> yeah
[02:24] <kubuntu_> emonkey: i can start up the GL screensavers clicking on bin files
[02:24] <bluesceada> but it doesnt work
[02:24] <LittleMe> k
[02:25] <emonkey> Dunedan|LinuxMac, maybe in ~/.kde/share/apps
[02:25] <emonkey> somewhere
[02:26] <Dunedan|LinuxMac> emonkey: negative. It's also not just a kde app
[02:26] <Dunedan|LinuxMac> knetworkmanager is the kde frontend
[02:26] <emonkey> hmk, so I don't know...soryy
[02:26] <emonkey> no more ideas atm
[02:27] <kubuntu_> emonkey: i can start up the GL screensavers clicking on bin files..why i can't set them by control system?
[02:28] <emonkey> kubuntu_, I'm here on a old Laptop without 3D acceleration
[02:29] <emonkey> so can't try out
[02:29] <emonkey> only 800MHz... :P
[02:29] <kubuntu_> eheheh
[02:29] <kubuntu_> ok
[02:29] <kubuntu_> thanks
[02:31] <v3ctor> i'm on a 499MHz lappy right now
[02:31] <v3ctor> using ssh to conect to my 550MHz desktop at home ;)
[02:31] <emonkey> v3ctor, k you've won
[02:32] <emonkey> 
[02:32] <v3ctor> woohoo
[02:32] <emonkey> I've got an old 333MHz Acer laptop but the powersupply is dead
[02:33] <v3ctor> i have a 450MHz compaq laptop...but why bother when i have super 1337 499MHz one
[02:34] <emonkey> v3ctor, I've got an AMD64 3800+, 2GB RAM, Geforce 6800GT at home... but this my Laptop for mobile working... :P
[02:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:50] <[GuS] > hey guys
[02:51] <[GuS] > i want to upload tcl8.5/tk8.5 packages to KUbuntu repositories... where i could get the account in REVU ?
[02:57] <errpast-wc> Trying to resize a disk partition with QTParted.  "resize" option is greyed out.  I've mounted drive.  Unmounted drive.  Googled a little - most instructions just say "choose resize"
[02:58] <Bazzi> errpast-wc: what fs?
[02:58] <errpast-wc> Bazzi - ext3
[02:58] <Bazzi> you could try using the latest gparted livecd.
[02:58] <errpast-wc> not mission critical either.  If I lose it, no prob
[02:58] <errpast-wc> hmm
[02:59] <errpast-wc> On the QTParted gui, Status is "read only" for /dev/hdc3.  But mount command on command line shows rw.
[02:59] <errpast-wc> for /dev/hdc3
[03:01] <Bazzi> weird
[03:01] <Bazzi> I don't know qtparted well enough though
[03:01] <errpast-wc> Bazzi: OK, thanks anyway. best
[03:01] <Bazzi> I just know that it's unmaintained for quite a while and gparted is being actively developped, hence I use gparted
[03:02] <cox377> is there applications for linux for cleaning etc etc?
[03:02] <errpast-wc> Bazzi: That's good info.
[03:02] <errpast-wc> My Knoppix 4 doesn't seem to have gparted, but I'll go in that direction.  Thanks for help
[03:03] <Bazzi> as I said, there's a livecd just w/ gparted on it
[03:03] <Bazzi> it doesn't load 500mb of unused tools into your ram =)
[03:03] <Bazzi> gparted.sf.net
[03:03] <errpast-wc> Bazzi: Having just downloaded 2 live CDs at 500M plus, gparted live CD is sounding better and better
[03:03] <errpast-wc> will do
[03:03] <errpast-wc> thanks
[03:03] <Bazzi> yep, np
[03:10] <thomas> hey guys... how can i update to the newest amarok (v. 141) - now v.139 is installed and apt-get says it the latest one?!
[03:10] <cox377> how do u mount a share drive?
[03:12] <abattoir> !amarok
[03:12] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.1 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[03:12] <abattoir> thomas: ^^^
[03:12] <cox377> !sharedrive
[03:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about sharedrive
[03:13] <cox377> !network drive
[03:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about network drive
[03:13] <cox377> !smb
[03:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about smb
[03:13] <cox377> basically
[03:13] <cox377> i wanna be able to open files and stream media from another linux box to this linux box. but it tries to download it first. its running over SMB. But with windows it just streams of the linux boxes as normal
[03:13] <abattoir> cox377: i dont know much, but maybe you could try the smb:/ kioslave in konqueror?
[03:15] <Kr4t05> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[03:15] <Kr4t05> Which library would that be in?
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[03:18] <cristiano> hello everybody. i'm using gimp2.2 but i am unable to find any "bold" option when in the text-tool: how to do some bold text?
[03:19] <thomas> !apt-get
[03:19] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto - also see !synaptic (gnome) or !adept (kde)
[03:21] <thomas> i don't get it to install the newest version - how do i have to enter the path with apt-get??
[03:21] <v3ctor> i had to remove a repo that had the beta version before 1.4.1 would install
[03:22] <Kr4t05> wewt! Thanks @ h3sp4wn
[03:22] <cristiano> no help about my "bold"?!?
[03:22] <omeow> thomas: You can just add the repository via adept's manage repositories interface.
[03:22] <abattoir> cristiano: maybe @ #gimp ?
[03:22] <cristiano> mmm i'll try there, lol ^^
[03:24] <thomas> omeow: now it works.. thx a lot
[03:24] <omeow> You're welcome.
[03:27] <thomas> btw, is there an audio-player like foobar2000 for linux?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> thomas: not sure i would run anything called foobar
[03:29] <abattoir> lol, FUBAR
[03:29] <gnomefreak> thomas: dont know what it is but pick a media player of your choice there are many to choose from
[03:31] <thomas> well, it is a highly-customizeable player (you need some time to get into it, but than you don't want any other player ;))
[03:32] <thomas> forums.foobar2000.org / foobar2000.org
[03:37] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[03:37] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:43] <Fiyawerx> ping!
[03:45] <umar> hi everyone
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:45] <Wanderer> that wn't help
[03:45] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:46] <umar> anyone can help in playing real streaming on firefox?
[03:46] <umar> then how can i listen music online?
[03:46] <gnomefreak> umar: stop repeating
[03:47] <mindspin> !ubotu tell umar about restricted
[03:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubotu tell umar about restricted
[03:47] <gnomefreak> !restricted > umar
[03:47] <OlliK> umar: don't spam the channel. You can ask the question once
[03:47] <gnomefreak> umar: read your pm please
[03:48] <copsewood> Having sound problems with Kubuntu - hardware works OK on Mandriva
[03:49] <Kr4t05> ubotu tell me about games
[03:49] <Kr4t05> !tell me about games
[03:49] <Kr4t05> !games
[03:49] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[03:50] <emonkey> !restricted > emonkey
[03:51] <copsewood> Anyone able to help me debug sound problem ?
[03:52] <Kr4t05> !sound
[03:52] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:52] <copsewood> thanks will check
[03:55] <umar> how can i play real media online
[03:56] <llutz> hi
[03:56] <umar> i wana listen song online but it says cant access port 554
[03:56] <umar> how can i open access for port 554
[03:58] <serveri> hi
[03:58] <serveri> Who can help me to set locale?
[03:59] <umar> help me in playing real music online
[03:59] <serveri> I can't set locale to ru_RU.CP1251
[03:59] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:00] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <morrow> seems like you flooded the realserver and now it doesn't want to talk to you
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <umar> i've installed real plugin for firefox but it doesn't help it says cant access port 554
[04:01] <ljl> !ops
[04:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, or imbrandon
[04:01] <morrow> like the rest here now
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:02] <serveri> I can't set locale
[04:02] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not a problem :)
[04:02] <Hagbard_Ub> hey
[04:02] <serveri> Hey
[04:02] <Hagbard_Ub> what's the command to acces the settings manager?
[04:02] <Pupeno-> I have just plugged in some speakers and I hear and almost steady beeping that changes frequency from beep to beep. Any ideas ?
[04:02] <Hagbard_Ub> not that in the menu
[04:02] <LjL> Hagbard_Ub: i'm not sure that's the one you mean, but "kcontrol"
[04:03] <Hagbard_Ub> LjL, ahh
[04:03] <Hagbard_Ub> that one
[04:03] <Hagbard_Ub> that oen it was :D
[04:03] <Hagbard_Ub> thanks dude :D
[04:03] <ccc_> stop it
[04:03] <LjL> Pupeno-: could be your motherboard's alarm that's saying something's overheating
[04:03] <LjL> Pupeno-: does it sound a bit like a siren? i.e. lowtone-hightone-lowtone etc without interruption?
[04:04] <Pupeno-> LjL: it has interruptions, otherwise it is like a siren.
[04:04] <Hagbard_Ub> Electric Six - Gay bar
[04:04] <Hagbard_Ub> Electric Six - Gay bar
[04:04] <Hagbard_Ub> aaahh
[04:05] <LjL> Pupeno-: you said you plugged in speakers -- so it's not your internal PC beeper. do you *have* an internal PC beeper at all?
[04:05] <Pupeno-> LjL: it happens in three different Kubuntu boxes (all of them) that I have here.
[04:05] <LjL> hm
[04:05] <Pupeno-> LjL: ther are not. I might have, I don't know.
[04:05] <LjL> Pupeno-: does it stop if, in KMix, you mute the PC Speaker slider?
[04:06] <Pupeno-> LjL: I don't have one. It mutes if I lower PCM or headphones (where the speakers are connected).
[04:07] <LjL> Pupeno-: ok, so i'm not sure what that could be, but i'd rather exclude the overheating alarm
[04:08] <Pupeno-> on one of them now it is a tick, tick, tick...quite stady (it's like that in two notebooks).
[04:08] <LjL> Pupeno-: could it just be some kind of interference?
[04:08] <LjL> Pupeno-: did you crank the *speakers* (not the KMix) volume up a lot?
[04:10] <Pupeno-> LjL: it happened in three different computers , two of them notebooks, one of them unplugged. The notebooks where tested in different buildings (three blocks appart), this includes external speakers and internal speakers.
[04:10] <stimz> anyone have VMware experience?
[04:10] <Pupeno-> if it is interference it has to be boiling my brain as well.
[04:11] <LjL> Pupeno-: i'm really clueless then
[04:11] <Pupeno-> I'd say it is definitely software.
[04:12] <LjL> Pupeno-: if your soundcard(s) has the capability of recording its own output  (it's usually the "Capture" slider on the "Input" tab of KMix), you could record this noise and upload it on the Internet. so at least perhaps somebody can guess what kind of thing it is
[04:12] <Pupeno-> killing arts didn't help.
[04:13] <Pupeno-> so, it is deeper.
[04:13] <Pupeno-> I'll try that.
[04:14] <Pupeno-> hint, closing kmix turned the ticking into beeping.
[04:15] <Mr> quick question: how do I tell what version of Xorg I have?
[04:15] <LjL> Mr: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg
[04:15] <Mr> thanks!
[04:16] <bluesceada> hmm
[04:16] <bluesceada> i have a problem with a trident card + tft
[04:16] <bluesceada> it seems to just exist either in newer xorg stuff or in ubuntu
[04:16] <bluesceada> because some older knoppix works
[04:17] <bluesceada> when i set the same modelines etc. the tft keeps black
[04:17] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[04:17] <Pupeno-> Ha! it was kwifimanager accoustic scanner (thanks lsof!!!) :)
[04:17] <Pupeno-> now, that was a tricky one
[04:22] <larson9999> the only problem is linux costs too much.
[04:22] <LjL> oh
[04:22] <larson9999> and the licenses are too restrictive
[04:22] <LjL> ...err?
[04:22] <LjL> linux *costs*?
[04:22] <hidemef> Many Bothans died to bring you Linux
[04:23] <llutz> larson9999:  "too restrictive" compared to what?
+4 flamebait</slashdot>
[04:24] <larson9999> and i forgot, they won't send me free cds
[04:24] <craig> larson9999: larson9999 = troll
[04:24] <larson9999> craig: nah, just goofing off
[04:24] <craig> oh funny!!
[04:25] <larson9999> just trying to figure out with all of that going for it, why everyone doesn't use linux
[04:25] <dr_willis> If the OS dont have the app you want to run... its useless. :)
[04:26] <larson9999> i'm helping though.  i quit supporting my friends and family who run windows.
[04:26] <dr_willis> of course if you are 'work' oriented, vs 'app'  oriented... linux can do most eveyr job you need to do.
[04:26] <lunitik> larson9999: most people don't care enough about their computer to bother installing a different OS on it... there's already one on the system, and it does what they want...
[04:26] <LjL> because they don't know about, because they feel it's complex, because it doesn't have their favorite programs, because they find the interface klunky, because they don't feel any urge to move from windows
[04:26] <LjL> and possibly other reasons
[04:27] <LjL> oh, and because of games
[04:27] <lunitik> LjL: meh... god invented game consoles for that purpose
[04:28] <julien> Bon bein je reviendrai lundi avec le DVD
[04:28] <llutz> lunitik: but pope forgot people to tell
[04:28] <lunitik> julien: English?
[04:28] <Pupeno-> How do I make arts with xine-engine use my second soun card (the good one instead of the on-board one) ?
[04:28] <ninHer> hi all
[04:28] <LjL> lunitik: hm, i'm not a gamer myself, but i don't really see why i should shell out money for a console when i have a computer that is more powerful.
[04:28] <julien> French: from Arras
[04:28] <Alextremo> I speak spanish, somebody can tell me a program channel ?
[04:28] <LjL> julien: you should speak english here
[04:28] <LjL> but if you prefer to speak french, there are channels for that
[04:28] <julien> yes I can
[04:28] <LjL> !fr
[04:28] <LjL> !es
[04:28] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:28] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:29] <larson9999> errr, i don't really get that.  there are plenty of games for linux.  i suppose that the same people who think my sb16 sucks also think the games on linux suck.  to be fair, it's not what it should be but the gaming side of linux isn't as bad as it's touted.
[04:29] <larson9999> and it's getting better all the time.
[04:29] <ninHer> he said spanish not french......not the same
[04:29] <ninHer> ;-)
[04:30] <LjL> ninHer: thank you, i know they're not the same. but then Alextremo said "<Alextremo> I speak spanish, somebody can tell me a program channel ?"  --- at least assuming he meant an IRC channel
[04:30] <larson9999> the OSS side of windows is getting better too.
[04:30] <dr_willis> actually the next gen of consoles are amazing powerfull. :P but you cant just download games for them..
[04:30] <dr_willis> I wish someone would come out with somtiung about like a PSP - but totally GPL'd
[04:30] <lunitik> Pupeno-: you actually use the first soundcard at all? because easiest way is to throw 'blacklist moduleoffirstcard' into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and throw 'moduleofsecondcard' into /etc/modules
[04:31] <ninHer> Alextremo:  /list
[04:31] <LjL> err, i'm not sure /list is a good command to use
[04:31] <LjL> something's telling me it'd easily get you disconnected
[04:31] <ninHer> not sure
[04:31] <ninHer> or /list prog*
[04:31] <lunitik> !es
[04:31] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:32] <lunitik> Alextremo: thats what you meant?
[04:32] <ninHer> and i would add ......in spanish
[04:32] <larson9999> i told my 16 year old, i'd gladly buy him some $50 games as soon as he finishes all the games in the linux game tomb that are rated 4 or better.
[04:33] <lunitik> larson9999: Linux Game Tomb?
[04:33] <larson9999> he got a shot in though because he started with a commercial game :)
[04:33] <dr_willis> Tome :)
[04:33] <dr_willis> Rocks N Diamonds Rules!
[04:33] <dr_willis> :)
[04:33] <dr_willis> have him finish Nethack.
[04:34] <charlie5> actually there is also a Linux Game Tomb ... just found it on google :)
[04:35] <charlie5> but its a dead link :(
[04:35] <larson9999> the game tomb has link to the linux game tome
[04:35] <lunitik> All well and good being the most standards compliant web browser around (Acid test results proves this...) ... but being unusably slow is kind of counter productive  :(
[04:35] <larson9999> charlie5: it's not a dead link
[04:35] <larson9999> charlie5: oh wait, that's a different link i have
[04:35] <dr_willis> heh
[04:36] <dr_willis> Not a XXX misspelled porn site eh?
[04:36] <LjL> lunitik: it's not really slow itself... it's just, as you said, problematic with some sites. perhaps it has to do with javascript
[04:37] <larson9999> lol this site i use has it mispelled and i guess i never noticed: http://www.linuxnotepad.net.nz/aggregator/sources/6
[04:37] <lunitik> LjL: also, Konqi's way of loading pages (load everything, then display wrt images etc..) makes for a perception of even more slowness  :(
[04:38] <charlie5> larson9999: :) ... thats the one
[04:39] <LjL> lunitik: well, that's subjective really. some people might perceive that as faster
[04:40] <lunitik> LjL: I don't understand how they might come to that conclusion?
[04:41] <lunitik> LjL: Konqi has a habbit of not displaying _anything_ until all attributes on the site are loaded...
[04:42] <lunitik> LjL: so, unless you look at the progress bar etc... you'd think its doing _nothing_ at all
[04:42] <lunitik> LjL: how might this come across as faster?
[04:43] <snake> hello
[04:43] <lunitik> !hi snake
[04:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about hi snake
[04:43] <lunitik> !botslap
[04:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about botslap
[04:43] <lunitik> :(
[04:44] <lunitik> snake: sup, need help with something?
[04:44] <snake> I can't get my Logitech USB Headset 350 to work
[04:44] <lunitik> idgi
[04:45] <snake> Apps like Skype give me the error "Problem with sound device"
[04:46] <lunitik> snake: this person seems to have a clue? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=381918
[04:47] <lunitik> strange he doesn't note anything about device modules though... but then its USB, udev is supposed to be able to load it.....
[04:48] <snake> i saw that page already. done quite a it of googling about the subject
[04:49] <snake> the channels aren't muted, they come up in KMix but no programs except KDE can actually use the hs
[04:50] <snake> amaroK, xine doesn't find any sound devices
[04:50] <lunitik> snake: Skype pretty much sucks (next version won't apparently) ... it only supports OSS, no ALSA... this is obsolete technology...
[04:50] <snake> so are you suggesting I should download the new 1.3 beta?
[04:51] <Nick1> I'm trying to burn the Kubuntu ISO on to a cd using CDburnXP. However when I put the ISO on there, and boot the cd from disc, I get a Caldera DR-DOS error. What could be going wrong?
[04:51] <lunitik> snake: Xine should work... you install 'libarts1-xine' ?
[04:51] <LjL> lunitik: well if, in the end, the page finishes loading faster, that *is* faster (i'm not saying that it does, or that it always does). so i could certainly understand it being percieved as faster -- since it is -- even though i can also understand perceived slowness, since you wait more before you start seeing anything
[04:51] <lunitik> snake: maybe Xine and aRts are arguing over the device?
[04:52] <snake> no, sorry i'm still fairly noob when it comes to Linux
[04:52] <lunitik> snake: I'm saying 1.3 beta supports ALSA ... thus will likely be more convenient to use... take from that what you will...
[04:52] <snake> ye ok, i'll download that then
[04:53] <snake> I've got too many people on Skype
[04:53] <snake> 38 contacts
[04:54] <lunitik> snake: ever tried the Skype plugin for Kopete?
[04:54] <snake> nope
[04:54] <snake> as I said, i'm still fairly new to Linux
[04:55] <snake> I'll look into it then, thanks
[04:55] <lunitik> snake: that'd use KDE's evironment (including arts etc...) for Skype... I can't really speak on its reliability though  :(
[04:56] <lunitik> snake: you did say the headset works in KDE, just not Skype and Xine though, correct?
[04:56] <snake> it only works in KDE, no other programs
[04:56] <lunitik> snake: definatly install libarts1-xine to resolve Xine issues either way though
[04:56] <snake> KDE's startup chime and error messages work, that's it
[04:56] <snake> alright, can i just apt-get that?
[04:57] <LjL> snake: well, that's usually what is meant by "install"
[04:57] <snake> ok
[04:57] <snake> :-)
[04:57] <LjL> apt-get, or aptitude, or whatever you prefer
[04:57] <lunitik> snake: sudo aptitude install libarts1-xine libxine-extracodecs  (need universe and multiverse)
[04:58] <snake> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:59] <lunitik> snake: you have dpkg or adept active?
[04:59] <lunitik> or apt itself somewhere...
[04:59] <snake> adept
[04:59] <lunitik> snake: only one app at a time can access dpkg package functions
[04:59] <snake> ok, i closed it
[04:59] <lunitik> snake: kill adept, or use adept to install those 2 packages
[05:00] <termy> hello
[05:00] <Daxie> hi
[05:01] <snake> I killed adept and it still gives me the same error
[05:01] <omeow> snake; sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:01] <snake> hold on, got it sry
[05:03] <snake> another error now:
[05:03] <snake> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libarts1-xine"
[05:03] <snake> No candidate version found for libxine-extracodecs
[05:03] <lunitik> snake: grrr.. I told you, you need universe and multiverse to be active
[05:04] <copsewood> Still having sound problems. Device detected by apps, tried all advice found on-line and given here. Hardware OK
[05:04] <termy> i have a little problem, i cantt change the screensice, my monitor can max 1280x800 (laptop whitscreen 15,4") but the max sreen in kde is 1024x768 :( who can help me?
[05:04] <lunitik> snake: edit /etc/apt/sources.list ... add 'universe multiverse' to the first line you see that ends in 'main restricted'
[05:04] <LjL> termy: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", among the many questions (most of which you can answer with the defaults) there are ones about resolution.
[05:05] <lunitik> snake: then 'aptitude update; aptitude install libarts1-xine libxine-extracodecs'
[05:05] <termy> ok thx i try it
[05:06] <lunitik> LjL: that doesn't help, Ubuntu defaults it to ask only "High priority" questions...
[05:06] <copsewood> Anyone able to help with sound problem ?
[05:06] <lunitik> LjL: on default Ubuntu systems... it'd show him no questions at all
[05:06] <LjL> lunitik: uh... are you sure? that's advice that's been given for ages, and surely not just by me
[05:07] <BKaj> Howdy
[05:07] <lunitik> termy: before you try it... sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf ... change priority of questions to at least "medium"
[05:07] <lunitik> LjL: try it there right now... you'll get no questions
[05:08] <LjL> lunitik: i have that set up to priosity less than "High". and yet dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg certainly *does* ask me questions
[05:08] <LjL> no, i *will* get questions. always did. and still do
[05:09] <LjL> lunitik: please "man dpkg-reconfigure"
[05:09] <LjL> lunitik: -pvalue, --priority=value     Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed.  dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter what your default priority is. See debconf(7) for a list.
[05:09] <snake> alright it's busy updating (sudo aptitude update)
[05:10] <lunitik> LjL: ok... I don't see those options in the advice you gave...
[05:10] <LjL> lunitik: what options?
[05:10] <LjL> lunitik: read that again.
[05:10] <lunitik> LjL: and the reason you get questions is because you don't have it set to only ask "high" priority stuff
[05:10] <LjL> lunitik: it's saying that, by default, dpkg-reconfigure will ask *all* questions *no matter* what priority is set up as default
[05:10] <lunitik> LjL: read the line you told snake again... tyia
[05:11] <LjL> lunitik: that line's "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and it will work.
[05:11] <lunitik> LjL: Ubuntu's default is not the same as Debian's default
[05:11] <LjL> lunitik: but i'm asking that dpkg-reconfigure DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE DEFAULT
[05:11] <lunitik> LjL: that line will ask no questions... set debconf to "High" and try again
[05:11] <LjL> lunitik: it's what the man page plainly says
[05:12] <snake> lunitik: i've got those packages installed
[05:12] <lunitik> LjL: Change the option to High again, which is Ubuntu's default... and try again... tyia
[05:13] <lunitik> snake: awesome... restart anything using Xine... and see if you get any further  :)
[05:13] <LjL> lunitik: i've just tried changing that option to High, then did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. it worked. then i tried Critical, and did it again. it worked. then Low, tried again, and it worked.
[05:13] <LjL> lunitik: perhaps, just perhaps, you're simply mistaken?
[05:14] <lunitik> LjL: I'm not mistaken...
[05:14] <LjL> lunitik: ok then, you're not mistaken.
[05:14] <lunitik> LjL: how long you been using Debian based distro's?
[05:14] <LjL> lunitik: 6 years
[05:15] <LjL> lunitik: look, smart man. you just told me to run "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and set to High, and you told me that "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" would not ask me questions anymore. IT STILL DOES
[05:15] <LjL> can you get that? IT STILL DOES
[05:15] <lunitik> LjL: without telling it to ask me questions... debconf has never asked me questions on Ubuntu...
[05:16] <snake> lunitik: xine was unable to initialize any audio-drivers
[05:16] <lunitik> snake: it works via arts though?
[05:16] <LjL> lunitik: when you say Ubuntu, do you mean Kubuntu, or do you actually mean Ubuntu? (not that it should matter, but still)
[05:17] <lunitik> LjL: both... same base system... Kubuntu is just working on KDE packages
[05:17] <snake> lunitik: via arts?
[05:17] <LjL> lunitik: might have different defaults though. but again, i don't really think it would. just a thought.
[05:18] <monomaniacpat> has anyone here used an analogue joystick before??
[05:18] <serveri> How to compile DBD::Sybase withot sybase?
[05:18] <lunitik> snake: Kmenu > System Settings > Personal > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System ... click "Test"
[05:20] <lunitik> s/Settings menu item/Settings applet/
[05:20] <fgdrtv> SuyyBot ...
[05:20] <snake> hmmm now kde isn't even giving sound
[05:20] <snake> and my light on my hs is off
[05:21] <lunitik> snake: more than one sound card in system?
[05:21] <lunitik> (I think you already said there was?)
[05:21] <LjL> lunitik: anyway, what's your interpretation of the phrase in the dpkg-reconfigure man page that says "dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter what your default priority is" ? either i cannot read english, or that is saying that it will always ask low priority (which, of course, means everything from critical to low) no matter what you tell debconf to do normally
[05:21] <snake> no, i disabled my ac'97 in my bios
[05:22] <lunitik> LjL: I'd say someone should talk to Joey about changing it
[05:22] <lunitik> snake: lspci | grep audio
[05:22] <lunitik> snake: is the kernel actually ignoring it? (how many entries are returned)
[05:23] <snake> 0
[05:23] <LjL> lunitik: or maybe not, because it seems to be accurate for my system. who's saying that it's *my* system that's broken and not yours?
[05:23] <thompa> is there a program i can use to extract part of a dvd?
[05:23] <lunitik> snake: hmm... thats bad
[05:23] <thompa> theres a screensaver in one dvd i want to use
[05:24] <snake> do i need to mount audio devices?
[05:24] <lunitik> snake: if lspci doesn't see it... its pointless to do so...
[05:24] <snake> thing is that my usb headset's light is now off but it was on earlier
[05:25] <lunitik> (unless said headset is all you use for sound?)
[05:25] <lunitik> snake: try unpluggin and plugging back in?
[05:25] <lunitik> its pnp so might fix it...
[05:26] <snake> nope
[05:26] <lunitik> LjL: meh... I'm done arguing... if you really want enlightenment... joeyh in #debian-boot
[05:26] <snake> ./dev/dsp is also missing now
[05:28] <lunitik> snake: yes, it would be... the kernel doesn't know about your soundcard right now
[05:28] <snake> any chance that rebooting would fix that?
[05:28] <lunitik> snake: perhaps
[05:28] <snake> i'll brb then, gonna reboot
[05:28] <lunitik> snake: what I told you would have had no effect on the sound card though... I didn't have you touch the device... it just decided it doesn't like you  :P
[05:29] <snake> :(
[05:29] <snake> then it's back to suse for me then ;p *jokes*
[05:29] <lunitik> snake: I'd be using SUSE if it had apollon packages  :/
[05:29] <snake> that went straight over my head
[05:30] <snake> be back now
[05:30] <lunitik> snake: haha... apt-cache show apollon
[05:30] <BKaj> Suse Clunks ...Yast sucks !
[05:30] <lunitik> BKaj: beats the hell out of kde-guidance
[05:31] <BKaj> well lunitik , my experience was differnt than yours then cuz the new 10.1 is a friggin mess!
[05:31] <postangcslv> The new SUSE package manager was so slow it was almost useless
[05:31] <postangcslv> nice features though
[05:32] <BKaj> looking at pclinuxos ...anyone try it ?
[05:32] <lunitik> The maintainer of which works for Canonical, so smartpm is likely to become the default for *Ubuntu soon also
[05:32] <lunitik> BKaj: its Mandriva with a tweaked interface and an unmaintained package manager
[05:33] <BKaj> it uses synaptic
[05:33] <lunitik> BKaj: apt4rpm is dead
[05:34] <postangcslv> I liked PCLinuxOS but it's been outpaced lately by ubuntu,kubuntu
[05:34] <lunitik> BKaj: of course, you can use Mandriva apt repo's via smartpm though
[05:34] <BKaj> so lunitik , what's the best distro in your opine ?
[05:34] <lunitik> BKaj: yet to be determined... today... Kubuntu  :P
[05:34] <dj_baggio> !tvcard
[05:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about tvcard
[05:35] <lunitik> dj_baggio: tvtime ... kdetv
[05:35] <dj_baggio> ok :)
[05:35] <dj_baggio> !tvtime
[05:35] <ubotu> I know nothing about tvtime
[05:35] <dj_baggio> ooo :)
[05:35] <dj_baggio> !kdetv
[05:35] <ubotu> I know nothing about kdetv
[05:35] <lunitik> !info tvtime
[05:35] <ubotu> tvtime: A high quality television application. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 627 kB, installed size 1744 kB
[05:35] <Bennner> hi, i desinstalled some software from adept, and since, when i restarted i have no k-menu, the quickstart bar is still there but no kde menu and no taskbar ;(
[05:35] <lunitik> !info kdetv
[05:35] <ubotu> kdetv: KDE application to watch TV on the desktop. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.8-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1277 kB, installed size 5048 kB
[05:35] <snake> lo again
[05:36] <lunitik> snake: sup
[05:36] <dj_baggio> si, but I need something about configuration :)
[05:36] <snake> lunitik: no luck
[05:36] <lunitik> Bennner: umm... right click panel > add applet > Taskbar and KMenu?
[05:36] <lunitik> snake: shitty
[05:37] <snake> lunitik: at least the light is on now though
[05:37] <lunitik> dj_baggio: just install kdetv ... it should Just Work afaik
[05:37] <dj_baggio> lunitik: nope...i have problems with saa7134...especailly with my tuner :/
[05:37] <coma_> !mp3
[05:37] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:37] <coma_> !porn
[05:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about porn
[05:37] <snake> lol
[05:37] <coma_> !games
[05:37] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[05:38] <lunitik> coma_: /msg ubotu
[05:38] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can I chek my exact motherboard version
[05:38] <DjDarkman> ?
[05:38] <Bennner> lunitik: ohh.. only that! thanks you it worked
[05:40] <lunitik> DjDarkman: /proc contains all info your kernel knows about your system
[05:40] <DjDarkman> yes lunitik but witch 'file' contains my motherboard version?
[05:40] <JabberWokky> Quick easy question: Does the Kubuntu CD iso contain an installer for the server version of Ubuntu (I know the DVD iso does... I just need to point somebody at the right image to download to set up a server)
[05:40] <llutz> DjDarkman: no one. open case, search for lables, read
[05:40] <snake> lunitik: thanks for all your help so far, i have to go. I'll come back later
[05:41] <monomaniacpat> join /xbox-linux
[05:42] <lunitik> snake: you're welcome...
[05:42] <Pupeno> What's the policy in Kubuntu towards sound ? I see that arts is installed and running yet amarok was installed only with the xine engine. I'd like to stick to the default if it works.
[05:43] <Pupeno> JabberWokky: I think it doesn't. The alternate ISOs do. But I am not 100% sure.
[05:43] <thompa> BKaj: ive used pclinux os for a year now on one machine
[05:43] <lunitik> Pupeno-: you need 'libarts1-xine and libxine-extracodecs' to have amarok working
[05:43] <JabberWokky> Pupeno: Thanks.  I need to point them toward an iso they can burn, and I'm not 100% sure they have a DVD burner.
[05:44] <thompa> the next .9* release should be interesting
[05:44] <Pupeno> lunitik: why aren't they just included in Kubuntu ?
[05:44] <Pupeno> lunitik: I mean, in the default install.
[05:44] <thompa> how can i rip part of a dvd?
[05:44] <postangcslv> Pupeno: licensing issues
[05:44] <Pupeno> JabberWokky: I think, for installing a server, the alternate cd is a safe bet. I was told it is the old installer.
[05:44] <thompa> i want to try and make a screensaver
[05:44] <lunitik> Pupeno-: libxine-extracodecs has legal issues... libarts1-xine really should be though... *cough* Riddell *cough*
[05:44] <thompa> or maybe just have it loop a section
[05:45] <Pupeno> postangcslv: then, why do I need them if I only want to play oggs ?
[05:45] <DARTHMIKE> lunitik are you here?
[05:45] <lunitik> DARTHMIKE: yes
[05:45] <Riddell> lunitik: hmm?
[05:45] <DARTHMIKE> what do you think of  pclinuxos
[05:46] <lunitik> Pupeno-: libxine-extracodecs is what postangcslv is talking about... thats not needed if you want to play oggs
[05:46] <JabberWokky> Pupeno: Well, the DVD gives the option.  We're going from SUSE after a hardware crash last night, or I'd mail them one.  Thanks for the info... it gives me somewhere to start.
[05:46] <thompa> pclinuxos and mepis have real player, here you only have to install it
[05:46] <lunitik> Riddell: libarts1-xine isn't installed by default with Kubuntu... why is this? any reason, or just an oversite?
[05:46] <lunitik> oversight?
[05:46] <Riddell> lunitik: it's not used
[05:46] <thompa> none of the linux players in any distro will play all the files realplayer does
[05:46] <lunitik> Riddell: umm... Amarok and Kaffeine do not play sounds without it installed....
[05:47] <DARTHMIKE> what about VLC
[05:47] <thompa> nope
[05:47] <thompa> all of the bbc is out
[05:47] <thompa> which is like 100 stations
[05:47] <hidemef> DARTHMIKE: vlc can't play real's secret formats.
[05:47] <DARTHMIKE> i dont have realplayer installed and im playing mp3 from amrok right now
[05:47] <Riddell> lunitik: works for me
[05:47] <hidemef> Sites that only have realvideo should be shot
[05:47] <DARTHMIKE> yea
[05:47] <slow-motion> re
[05:47] <thompa> whats up with the BBC then
[05:48] <hidemef> thompa: They should be shot
[05:48] <thompa> they were supposed to create their own player
[05:48] <thompa> or is that it,
[05:48] <DARTHMIKE> lunitik, have you used pclinuxos?
[05:48] <thompa> i have
[05:48] <Pupeno> Riddell: if arts is running and amarok uses xine and xine uses the decive directly, then, there's a conflict, do you disagree ?
[05:48] <trylinux> i have
[05:48] <lunitik> Riddell: strange... here Amarok always complains it can't access device (on account of arts using it)
[05:48] <Pupeno> I even installed libarts1-xine and it doesn't (yet) work.
[05:48] <thompa> it plays the streaming radio out of box
[05:49] <thompa> so does mepis
[05:49] <GullyFoyle> just a general hardware question: i'm about to set up a home wireless network. anyone know what brand of wireless router/card works well with kubuntu/linux?
[05:49] <thompa> they both have real player setup already
[05:49] <lunitik> Riddell: would be ok if dmix was used by default... but it doesn't appear to be
[05:49] <llutz> GullyFoyle: at least all using Atheros chipsets (madwifi driver)
[05:49] <Riddell> yeah, it'll depend on the sound driver being able to do multiple connections
[05:50] <thompa> there are some issues though in the other distros which cause some players to over ride others
[05:50] <postangcslv> DARTHMIKE: PCLinuxOS is good - (K)ubuntu better imho
[05:50] <thompa> so in kubuntu the real player install is better
[05:50] <GullyFoyle> llutz: so read the specs carefully,eh?
[05:50] <sysrpl> is there a linux equivalent of windows movie maker?
[05:50] <llutz> GullyFoyle: yes, if you can get them
[05:50] <wilfredH> hi folks, ssh keeps giving me 'port 22: connection refused'. Can anyone help?
[05:50] <trylinux> PCLinuxOS rules. :D
[05:50] <DARTHMIKE> PCLinuxOS awesome in my openine, never trying kubuntu
[05:51] <DARTHMIKE> opinion*
[05:51] <lunitik> Riddell: imo, you should include libarts1-xine by default, its small, and makes less assumptions
[05:51] <llutz> wilfredH: sshd running?
[05:51] <postangcslv> DARTHMIKE: then why ask?
[05:51] <DARTHMIKE> well to each his own distro
[05:51] <wilfredH> llutz: I don't know. how do I check?
[05:51] <llutz> wilfredH: ps aux   on desired server
[05:51] <GullyFoyle> llutz: i try to buy thehardware that is linux compatible first, rather than futz around later trying to make it work
[05:51] <DARTHMIKE> but still sometimes is better to actually try a distro than say bs about it
[05:52] <Pupeno> lunitik: I have installed libarts1-xine, yet amarok complains "Sorry, the 'xine-engine' could not be loaded, instead we have loaded the 'void-engine'".
[05:52] <wilfredH> llutz: nope.
[05:52] <llutz> GullyFoyle: it's the best way to do but on wlan-hardware not so easy. the manufs change chipsets in their product without announcing etc.pp.
[05:52] <lunitik> Pupeno: restarted Amarok after installing that package?
[05:52] <llutz> wilfredH: /etc/init.d/ssh start      on the server
[05:53] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: better that, buy hardware from vendors that are free software friendly (it is harder, but better for... well... all of us... mostly).
[05:53] <Pupeno> lunitik: yes, several times. As well as arts.
[05:53] <sysrpl> is there a linux equivalent of windows movie maker? if so what is the package name?
[05:53] <wilfredH> llutz: running, but same error
[05:54] <llutz> wilfredH: check server config
[05:54] <lunitik> Pupeno: strange... only difference here is I have libxine-extracodecs installed (shouldn't be needed) and libxine1c2
[05:54] <Pupeno> sysrpl: I don't know what windows movie maker does, if you say that, maybe some people in here will be able to help.
[05:54] <LjL> !language
[05:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:54] <LjL> !ops
[05:54] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, or imbrandon
[05:54] <thompa> sysrpl: thats what i need
[05:55] <wilfredH> llutz: anywhere I can find a good tutorial?
[05:55] <Pupeno> lunitik: I have libxine-extracedcs as well. let's install libxine1c2
[05:55] <sysrpl> windows movie maker allows you to edit together movie and audio clips with titles and transitions outputing to a variety of bandwidth and file formats
[05:55] <thompa> guess ill google it
[05:55] <LjL> Hobbsee: he's gone
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:56] <Pupeno> I have just bought a wireless network card. I went to the shop, I copied the model numbers of all of them, went home, find one that worked, went shop, picked it up, and voila! (in fact, that particular firmware didn't work, so I returned it and picked another one based on the atheros widget, works like a charm).
[05:56] <thompa> dvd rip
[05:56] <sysrpl> Pupeno: did that help you?
[05:56] <thompa> thats whay i need anyway
[05:56] <nalioth> i love it when they curse and run.  it shows great character
[05:56] <thompa> found it
[05:56] <lunitik> Pupeno: actually... shouldn't be that either... says its a transitional package... depending on libxine-main1 and -extracodecs (extracodecs should depend -main1?)
[05:56] <trylinux> lunitik did you say all that?
[05:57] <Pupeno> lunitik: I am noticing that.
[05:57] <Pupeno> sysrpl: what do you mean ?
[05:57] <lunitik> Pupeno: I'm not sure... my soundcard is crap, and dmix isn't being used here... Amarok is currently happily playing a last.fm stream though
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Pupeno: which model?  wasnt a netgear card, was it?
[05:57] <Pupeno> any other ideas before I install the amarok arts engine which will just work.
[05:57] <sysrpl> Pupeno: i mean windows movie maker allows you to edit together movie and audio clips with titles and transitions outputing to a variety of bandwidth and file formats
[05:57] <lunitik> Pupeno: you have more than one soundcard on the system?
[05:58] <sysrpl> Pupeno: i  was asking if iinux has a package like that
[05:58] <thompa> anyway if real player was included already here, it would cause more problems, kubuntu is much cleaner
[05:58] <usama> hi all
[05:58] <lunitik> trylinux: all what?
[05:58] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: the first one was a netgear, all the revisions of that particular board worked except the one I bought. Then I bought a better (and more expensive) d-link.
[05:58] <Pupeno> Hobbsee: check madwifi.sf.net for more info.
[05:59] <dr_willis> its so fun when these media-players under windows like to fight with each other for association with all your files. :)
[05:59] <sysrpl> Pupeno: ?
[05:59] <usama> during the installation of kubuntu, i get the error: critical error during ped_disk_new!, can anyone help me?
[05:59] <Pupeno> sysrpl: don't ask me, I don't do video so I don't have any idea, if you ask generally, maybe someone will know.
[05:59] <thompa> kaffeine would in the other distros pclos mepis over ride real plaer content, so i had to remove it next
[05:59] <postangcslv> sysrpl: avidemux,cinelerra, many more... search freshmeat
[05:59] <sysrpl> i was asking generally
[05:59] <Pupeno> sysrpl: also, for such a particular problem, try the mailing list.
[05:59] <sysrpl> ty
[05:59] <lunitik> dr_willis: software does what its told... you simply clicked "assosiate with media files"
[05:59] <Hobbsee> Pupeno: heh, i thought so.  they're brilliant for that.  not.
[05:59] <Pupeno> sysrpl: sorry, I can't keep up with everything.
[05:59] <lunitik> dr_willis: or simply didn't unclick it
[05:59] <thompa> totally broke everything, wireless support in both was also poor
[05:59] <dr_willis> lunitik,  not really they decided to do it theirselfs in many cases.
[06:00] <GullyFoyle> llutz: so i went to the atheros website and looked up their partners that use their chipsets. for example, this one http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WPN824.php. is that a good strategy?
[06:00] <lunitik> dr_willis: KDE media players do that same thing
[06:00] <Pupeno> lunitik: only one card here.
[06:00] <dr_willis> lunitik,  i perfer good old xmms - i must be a luddite. :)
[06:00] <lunitik> Pupeno: sorry then, I'm not sure what could be wrong  :(
[06:00] <thompa> using mandrakes control center sucks, it always gives errors
[06:00] <Pupeno> ok.
[06:00] <lunitik> dr_willis: I despise XMMS with a passion
[06:00] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: that's a router, not a board.
[06:01] <usama> can anyone help me about that ped_disk_new error?
[06:01] <thompa> the only porbelm ive had here is with a montor setting in xorg
[06:01] <llutz> GullyFoyle: APs/routers are not that critical like pcmcia/usb/pci-devices.
[06:01] <dr_willis> i must be weird.. i select all, randomize.. play.. let it run.. rarely ever even touch it for days on end. :)
[06:02] <lunitik> dr_willis: see, your needs are scarce, so its fine for you...
[06:02] <GullyFoyle> llutz: ah so make sure the pci card is workable most importanlty, eh?
[06:02] <thompa> ok naybody using dvdrip?
[06:02] <Pupeno> dr_willis: you could do that with a program with a better gui and reduce your pain on those days you touch it ;)
[06:03] <dr_willis> Pupeno,  what pain :)
[06:03] <dr_willis> I would like to find a 'talking clock' under linux.
[06:03] <lunitik> dr_willis: its file chooser is still GTK1.2 (a tool kit I hate almost more than motif) its buttons are tiny, so I have to concentrate to actually hit them etc
[06:03] <dr_willis> i got this "Strong Bad's time machine" clock that says the time for windows. :) im just soo used to it.
[06:03] <jihi> hello
[06:04] <GullyFoyle> llutz: is a PCI card preferable to a USB? or vice versa? does it matter?
[06:04] <Pupeno> lunitik: something is wrong here, I installed other engines and they don't show up...
[06:04] <lunitik> dr_willis: try using XMMS on a 15 inch monitor @ 1400x1050 resolution... and tell me XMMS is fine  :P
[06:04] <llutz> GullyFoyle: yes, so have a look on madwifi.org or sites like that to find well supported devices. after that you can chose your AP/router
[06:04] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: I'd go for a PCI card over a USB device *always*.
[06:04] <dr_willis> amazing thing about File Choosers - the Computer world has had over 20+ years in designing file selection interfaces... and still cant agree on a good way to do it.. My old AMIGA had better File Rquestors then many windows/linux apps.
[06:04] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: only consider USB if you plan to move it between computers very often.
[06:04] <lunitik> Pupeno: I don't know... I aways just install the packages I told you, and voila
[06:04] <llutz> GullyFoyle: i would prefer pci, but it depends on your hardware setup.
[06:05] <dr_willis> lunitik,  using a 15 in monitor at that res is the problem. :_
[06:05] <dr_willis> :)
[06:05] <postangcslv> lunitik: anything with that combo - big headache
[06:05] <GullyFoyle> llutz: just for 2 desktops at the moment
[06:05] <lunitik> dr_willis: no... applications that use bitmapped interfaces are the problem
[06:05] <llutz> GullyFoyle: no chance to cables?
[06:05] <dr_willis> my 15 In PC monitor - is being used as a LCD tv. :)
[06:05] <llutz> for
[06:05] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: are you going to connect two PCs with wireless or you are going to share one wireless card with the two PCs ?
[06:06] <lunitik> postangcslv: no, everything is fine on my system... I just don't use unscallable apps...
[06:06] <GullyFoyle> llutz: i could get away with one cabled, but the other i definitley need wireless.
[06:07] <jihi> when i boot, everytime fsck checks my Fat32 partition and thats take much time, how can i disable that ?
[06:07] <llutz> GullyFoyle: ok then you'll need wireless ;)
[06:07] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: cable want you want, use wirelles for the rest. Get a switch/router with wireless support and 4 ports or so.
[06:08] <postangcslv> lunitik: I need glasses I guess :)
[06:08] <Pupeno> I mean, replace "want" with "can".
[06:08] <llutz> GullyFoyle: always remember: wireless is f*ing slow
[06:08] <llutz> GullyFoyle: it's OK for internet but the hell for file exchange etc.
[06:08] <lunitik> postangcslv: you wouldn't need glasses on my system... this isn't Winblows, widgets scale in Qt
[06:09] <lunitik> (and GTK)
[06:09] <Pupeno> and more unreliable than cables, and polutes the RF spectrum.
[06:09] <postangcslv> lunitik: but its the text thats the problem
[06:09] <Pupeno> postangcslv: text size can be changed in Kubuntu.
[06:10] <lunitik> postangcslv: I set all fonts to Size 10 "DejaVu Sans Condensed" and everything is fine
[06:10] <Pupeno> postangcslv: in System Settings. I use an unbelivable high resolution and big fonts, they look so nice this way.
[06:10] <Pupeno> I can't see the dots.
[06:11] <GullyFoyle> Pupeno: so a wirless frontend for MythTV would probably be useless? too slow?
[06:11] <postangcslv> lunitik: yeah - I'm forced to scale up the fonts too
[06:11] <lunitik> postangcslv: I do kinda need classes for regular Windows elements in the only Wine application I use though - PokerStars.NET
[06:12] <postangcslv> lunitik: PokerStars works under wine? uh oh!
[06:12] <lunitik> postangcslv: I'd do that anyways... Size 10 DejaVu Condensed Sans is the smallest that gives me nice fonts in my OS X style top bar
[06:12] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: I don't really know. I'd say give it a try and I'd say it'll work. Most streaming today is very, very tuned so most wireless links should be enough.
[06:12] <lunitik> postangcslv: yes... very very well  :P
[06:12] <postangcslv> hmmm - next stop
[06:13] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: But when you drag and drop 20 GB of Oggs into the other computer... don't expect the same as if you had a GB ethernet there ;)
[06:13] <lunitik> postangcslv: also... bottem panel, smallest I can make that with nice icons is 28 pixels
[06:13] <lunitik> postangcslv: also, in my last statement, where I said nice fonts... I meant nice icons also
[06:13] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: personally, I have to yet find a case when network is not fast enough (and I do use wireless), but that is that if I make a backup of my HD and it takes two or three hours, I don't mind. I can wait.
[06:13] <Pupeno> brb.
[06:14] <thompa> why does my dvd device say hdc?
[06:15] <thompa> in dvdrip it looks for dev/dvd
[06:15] <coma_> !games
[06:15] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[06:15] <gnomefreak> thompa: because hda and hdb were taken?
[06:16] <jeff_> ellow
[06:16] <gnomefreak> thompa: /dev/dvd can still be hdc
[06:16] <thompa> but my other drive does not show up
[06:16] <gnomefreak> thompa: yes i know i remember you from yesterday
[06:17] <gnomefreak> TheHighChild: make sure the IDE cable is good and the connecter is good
[06:17] <jeff_> anyone gotten baghira to run ?
[06:17] <lunitik> grrr... anyone knows how to make KMail seperate out of Kontact when run via Kontact?
[06:18] <thompa> oh those are the media folders nevermind
[06:18] <postangcslv> lunitik: "seperate out"?
[06:18] <lunitik> postangcslv: make it standalone...
[06:18] <thompa> there are /dev and /media , i forgot
[06:18] <jeff_> nevermind i just found in adept :)
[06:19] <postangcslv> lunitik: not really - I run systray icon for easy access just to kmail
[06:19] <lunitik> postangcslv: short of running kmail by itself... is there any way to keep it alive and kill kontact?
[06:20] <lunitik> postangcslv: that doesn't really do what you mention (at least not via 3.5.3) ... it just pulls up kontact and shows a kmail icon
[06:21] <postangcslv> lunitik: your right - only use Kmail so never bothered me
[06:21] <jeff_> im very new to linux and was wondering how to install a theme for kubunutu since i just accessed and download baghira
[06:21] <lunitik> postangcslv: btw, current desktop: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/screenshot.png
[06:21] <jeff_> and it iinstalled but im looking on how to apply the theme
[06:21] <lunitik> postangcslv: perhaps those fonts look huge to you?
[06:22] <thompa> dvdrip still cant open anything
[06:22] <Pupeno> now trying with xine... seems to be playing but I hear no sound.... all volumes at maximum.
[06:22] <postangcslv> lunitik: pretty big
[06:22] <lunitik> postangcslv: here, they are perfect  :P
[06:23] <postangcslv> lunitik: unfortunately I don't have monitor that I can drive to that kind of res
[06:23] <lunitik> postangcslv: actually though, my screen seems like a lower resolution...
[06:23] <Howdy125> thomas, got libdvdcss2 installed ?
[06:23] <zeegeek> I did a fresh install and my wireless network card connected to the router well, the DNS servers in resolv.conf were the same as in Windows, but I couldn't visit websites via URL, only ip address worked.
[06:24] <lunitik> postangcslv: what kind of video card? I use the crap 'sis' driver... and it works  :/
[06:24] <lunitik> postangcslv: my monitor is pretty standard...
[06:25] <postangcslv> lunitik: NVidia something - built on MB but pretty nice - shitty dell monitor though my LCD broke
[06:25] <Howdy125> thompa, got libdvdcss2 installed ?
[06:25] <lunitik> (Samsung SyncMaster 750s)
[06:25] <LinFX> Howdy Howdy125, thompa
[06:25] <Hard_Wired> has anyone had problems installing vmware player?
[06:25] <Howdy125> Howdy back LinFX  .. :)
[06:25] <lunitik> Howdy125: thats not required for data on DVD's
[06:26] <postangcslv> lunitik: great 3D on the card
[06:26] <Pupeno> There seems to be a problem at the alsa level "Failed to load output plugin "alsa". Trying defaults."
[06:26] <thompa> Howdy125: howdy
[06:26] <lunitik> thompa: sudo aptitude install libdvdread0 (I think its 0... maybe 4? search for dvdread)
[06:26] <Hard_Wired> I sucessfully installed vmware player but it seems part of it didn't install, as whenever I try to install or remove anything I get this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17428
[06:27] <lunitik> Pupeno: your card is set up?
[06:27] <Howdy125> Howdy back thompa
[06:27] <Pupeno> it was... yesterday or so.
[06:27] <thompa> Howdy125: installed earlear already
[06:27] <Pupeno> lunitik: how do you set it up nowadays ? alsaconf ?
[06:27] <Howdy125> thompa, okie dokie ...
[06:27] <thompa> dvd play fine but i would like to see the menu screensaver part only
[06:27] <thompa> as a file
[06:28] <lunitik> Pupeno: nope... just 'modprobe snd-usuallysamethingasoss'
[06:28] <LinFX> l8r
[06:28] <lunitik> Pupeno: alsaconf is obsolete
[06:28] <thompa> i guess i should just play the dvd is all at that part
[06:28] <lunitik> Pupeno: and, afaik, isn't even in the Ubuntu archives
[06:28] <Howdy125> cya LinFX
[06:28] <thompa> i wanted to rip that file
[06:28] <Pupeno> lunitik: that's what I thought.
[06:29] <thompa> maybe if i find the file with konqeror first
[06:30] <lunitik> thompa: you didn't even try just mounting the DVD and copying over files?
[06:30] <lunitik> thompa: thats all 'ripping' really is anyways  :/
[06:30] <Pupeno> lunitik: I have plenty of sound modules loaded.
[06:30] <thompa> i opened it in konqeror and found one extra file not on the dvd
[06:30] <thompa> bu i cant find the intro menu file
[06:31] <Pupeno> I am going to reboot, that might help
[06:31] <Pupeno> Thanks.
[06:31] <lunitik> Pupeno: you tried just 'aplay'?
[06:31] <thompa> none of the others are viewable only one storyboard short film
[06:31] <lunitik> Pupeno: kill arts etc... it'd check if alsa is working, and whether its arts that being annoying  :)
[06:32] <lunitik> Pupeno: Kubuntu puts an audio file in ~/Examples ... so just try playing that
[06:32] <thompa> lunitik: i think i need an advanced dvd player that will tell me what stream im looking at
[06:32] <thompa> so i can then copy it
[06:32] <lunitik> thompa: DVD video? I thought this was data?
[06:33] <Pupeno> lunitik: I am going to restart, something is wrong with the audio and I have to restart anyway... thanks (I'll be back latter, from home).
[06:33] <thompa> there are seperate files in the dvd
[06:33] <thompa> at least konqeror show this
[06:34] <lunitik> thompa: I'd install kmplayer if I was you... and libdvdcss2 mplayer-nogui from debian-multimedia.org (although people say thats not smart...)
[06:34] <yanis> when I use kmenu as the type menu in kbfx it's displayed for a sec and then it dissapears..can anybody help me?
[06:34] <lunitik> thompa: oh... and 'regionset' ...
[06:34] <thompa> lunitik: thanks for the link
[06:35] <thompa> all the restricted formats are installed
[06:35] <lunitik> thompa: if you're in the US, you need to set regionset to use region 1
[06:35] <lunitik> thompa: irrelivant, xine and gstreamer suck at playing DVD's
[06:35] <jaro> Does anybody wanna help me regarding the LCD  - SCreen ?
[06:35] <thompa> im using vlc
[06:36] <lunitik> thompa: mplayer is the only thing I've gotten to play DVD's on Linux
[06:36] <thompa> lunitik: xine works fine here
[06:36] <lunitik> thompa: KMplayer > Kaffeine either way though
[06:36] <thompa> mplayer has actually never worked
[06:37] <lunitik> thompa: obviously, because you've gotten the DVD to play!
[06:37] <dr_willis> i tend to just rip dvd to  video files. :P
[06:37] <thompa> whatever comes first
[06:37] <lunitik> thompa: mplayer just requires you to setup regionset, and always works
[06:37] <lunitik> dr_willis: I tend to just play my movies  :/
[06:37] <thompa> it played some films sometimes but too many errors
[06:38] <lunitik> dr_willis: screw loading them to harddrive just to play them  :/
[06:38] <thompa> vlc and real player and xine, also i use kcd
[06:38] <dr_willis> lunitik,  i like to archive my porn.
[06:38] <dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <dr_willis> so i can cut/paste/edit - the good bits
[06:39] <Howdy125> Good one dr_willis
[06:39] <larson9999> several dvd players work here
[06:39] <thompa> dr_willis: how do you rip to video?
[06:39] <thompa> dr_willis: id appreciate a tip
[06:39] <dr_willis> Heck ive bought dvd players (real hardware ones for the tv) that dont want to play 1/2 the dvd's i got.
[06:39] <lunitik> thompa: mencoder  :P
[06:39] <thompa> all i want is the screen saver
[06:40] <lunitik> thompa: which kmplayer gives you easy access to!
[06:40] <dr_willis> thompa,  i used "dvd::rip" and  menucoder.. not sure if it was a front end to menucoder or not.
[06:40] <thompa> i bought the dvd anyway
[06:40] <lunitik> Riddell: hmm, any chance of using KMplayer instead of Kaffeine in next Kubuntu btw? Its so much nicer, and already used for Konqi plugins!
[06:40] <thompa> dr_willis: i got dvdrip installed but get a permission error
[06:41] <dr_willis> thompa,  time to try sudo? :P no clue.
[06:41] <lunitik> Riddell: as you know, can use gstreamer, mplayer, and xine... nicer interface though imo
[06:41] <thompa> dr_willis: lol could that be it
[06:41] <thompa> it opens without sudo still
[06:42] <lunitik> Riddell: only bad thing about KMplayer is it uses a new instance for every link gotten from the net... Kaffeine's interface has gone down hill though...
[06:43] <thompa> dr_willis: do you start in dvdrip by just " open directory" ?
[06:43] <dr_willis> thompa,  not used it in ages.. dont rember. :)
[06:44] <lunitik> Riddell: actually... my preference is irrelivant... I'll likely be going back to Debian soon... but Kmplayer is certainly better than Kaffeine
[06:45] <thompa> im going to try memcoder
[06:45] <dr_willis> Ive been tempted to try out Gentoo again.. but heck - i dont do much real work anyway.. so no need to go through the effort.
[06:46] <gnomefreak> didnt kmplayer and gmplayer merge to just mplayer?
[06:46] <lunitik> gnomefreak: no
[06:46] <nico8481> hi
[06:46] <lunitik> gnomefreak: gmplayer is only player that comes with 'mplayer' afaik
[06:47] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[06:47] <gnomefreak> lol
[06:48] <kdefreak> better?
[06:48] <lunitik> kdefreak: hah... sure  :P
[06:48] <v3ctor> name is  kind redundant also :)
[06:49] <lunitik> kdefreak: I get kinda twitchy when I see that word... the project tries to decide things for me, I don't like that  :(
[06:49] <lunitik> Gnome is great for business though, don't get me wrong... just makes a crap desktop for home use
[06:50] <lunitik> kdefreak: haha
[06:50] <lunitik> kdefreak: what can't you configure in KDE?  :/
[06:50] <kdefreak> but i dont like one more than other
[06:50] <kdefreak> its harder to install say themes
[06:51] <lunitik> kdefreak: hmm... thats somewhat true...
[06:51] <kdefreak> somewhat?
[06:51] <kdefreak> lol
[06:52] <v3ctor> sudo aptitude install <theme name>
[06:52] <v3ctor> hehe
[06:52] <kdefreak> v3ctor: lol
[06:52] <lunitik> kdefreak: lipstik and crystal are packaged for Debian though, so I never have to compile my own
[06:52] <lunitik> kdefreak: any that are worth a damn are compiled for Debian...
[06:53] <kdefreak> i dont know i got one id like to use in all my DE's just havent figured kde out yet
[06:53] <lunitik> v3ctor: with gnome, you just uncompress tar.gz files... and throw the result into ~/.themes
[06:53] <v3ctor> kdefreak: but it works ;)
[06:53] <lunitik> v3ctor: KDE, you have to compile it
[06:53] <kdefreak> lunitik: not even that hard
[06:53] <lunitik> kdefreak: ?
[06:53] <dr_willis> some kde themms have  parts that need compiled i thoiught.. not all.
[06:53] <kdefreak> lunitik: system>prefferences>themes>install theme
[06:54] <kdefreak> ^^ gnoem
[06:54] <LjL> i suppose that's because KDE "themes" are actually engines, i.e. programs. though i thought GTK themes were too
[06:54] <kdefreak> gnome
[06:54] <LjL> styles, actually
[06:54] <lunitik> kdefreak: system > preferences > themes ... drag n drop ... if you like doing things via gui when you don't have to  :/
[06:54] <kdefreak> LjL: iirc gtk =engine (theme uses) qt = engine
[06:54] <lunitik> LjL: Clearlooks in an engine
[06:54] <kdefreak> lunitik: true
[06:55] <appalooza> hello how can help a fench new user ?
[06:55] <LjL> kdefreak, lunitik: hm, but then, if GTK themes are engines too, how would that be that you don't need to compile anything?
[06:55] <appalooza> who
[06:55] <LjL> !fre
[06:55] <LjL> !fr
[06:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about fre
[06:55] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:55] <kdefreak> i see it as example clearlooks needs say gtk to run
[06:56] <LjL> well, of course it needs GTK, it's a GTK theme... :o)
[06:56] <lunitik> LjL: because the files in the tar.gz are already prepared?
[06:56] <kdefreak> clearlooks may not need gtk but it needs something to run on
[06:56] <LjL> lunitik: prepared for what? if they are *compiled*, then ok, but they would only work on x86...
[06:56] <kdefreak> GTK is not a theme  there are some that are named GTK-themes or whatever
[06:56] <LjL> GTK is not a theme, of course not. it's a GUI toolkit
[06:56] <kdefreak> GTK is a library
[06:57] <LjL> and clearlooks, as far as i know, is a GTK theme.
[06:57] <appalooza> are they other channel to chat ?
[06:57] <lunitik> LjL: I honestly don't know the workings of the tar.gz file... but kdefreak is correct... installing such things is _FAR_ easier via Gnome
[06:57] <kdefreak> yep theme that runs on GTK thats why i think GTK is engine in a sense
[06:57] <LjL> appalooza: #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic are the main ubuntu-related channels
[06:57] <kdefreak> appalooza: #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:57] <appalooza> ok thanks
[06:58] <lunitik> LjL: wrt it being easier to install themes on gnome...
[06:58] <lunitik> kdefreak: thats all well and good... if what you want is packaged  :P
[06:59] <v3ctor> i usually just uses peices of themes
[06:59] <kdefreak> lunitik: even if not like example e17 ive been fudging with this for over 24 hours
[06:59] <lunitik> although... apt-get build-dep some-qt-theme would make it easy to install any theme also... just compile... and voila
[07:00] <lunitik> by default though, kde themes won't even compile 90% of the time with just 'build-essential' installed... so its cumbersome if no one uploads it to Debian/Ubuntu
[07:01] <lunitik> Like I said though, most worthwhile themes _are_ uploaded... so its kinda moot
[07:02] <v3ctor> agreed
[07:03] <lunitik> I'm confused how that even came up though... I asked kdefreak what he can't configure... not what was difficult for him...
[07:03] <benkong2> if I install kubuntu-desktop on my perfectly working ubuntu laptop will it break my network manager?
[07:03] <lunitik> benkong2: nope... won't even touch network manager without you installing knetworkmanager  ;)
[07:04] <Alextremo> #ubuntu-es-offtopic
[07:04] <benkong2> lunitik: will nm still work? in the KDE environment?
[07:04] <lunitik> benkong2: which I highly recommend btw... and wouldn't break anything
[07:04] <benkong2> lunitik: you recommend kubuntu?
[07:04] <lunitik> benkong2: it'll work... but you won't get an interface for it without knetworkmanager
[07:05] <lunitik> benkong2: I recommend you install knetworkmanager if you plan on installing kubuntu on a laptop... yes
[07:06] <grizzly> hi
[07:06] <benkong2> ok I'll investigate further. I noticed that networkmanager works in FC5 I think in KDE
[07:06] <grizzly> oops sry
[07:07] <lunitik> benkong2: like I said... it'd work... because its a system daemon...
[07:07] <benkong2> lunitik: ok thanks...off to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:07] <lunitik> benkong2: you currently undoubtedly have an entry for it in your gnome panel system tray however... and for this functionality in KDE, you need knetworkmanager
[07:08] <flo> how can y i change from gdm to kdm?
[07:08] <benkong2> lunitik: on installing now
[07:08] <lunitik> flo: throw '/usr/bin/kdm' into /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager
[07:08] <LjL> flo: just install kdm (or gdm), it'll ask which one you want to use. otherwise, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:09] <flo> thx
[07:09] <lunitik> flo: just the text ... the file doesn't exist by default, so yes you'll have to edit it
[07:09] <lunitik> umm... I think thats supposed to be 'default-display-manager' actually
[07:09] <flo> k
[07:10] <lunitik> flo: what LjL said would work too, if debconf decides to ask you
[07:11] <flo> i have gnome that's broken and i'm using kubuntu, i'vd made a bit of a mess and now i'm tring to solve that, thx anyway
[07:12] <lunitik> flo: yes... according to my /etc/init.d/kdm... DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE=/etc/X11/default-display-manager
[07:12] <lunitik> flo: so I was right second time  :)
[07:13] <lunitik> flo: /etc/init.d/gdm even states clearly that it was stolen from kdm, so it'll be the same thing  :)
[07:14] <LjL> lunitik: it's a "High" priority question, so yes, wether you're right or not about dpkg-reconfigure following debconf's default
[07:15] <lunitik> LjL: its still a handy file to know about... incase he wants to go back... rather edit one charactor than run debconf again
[07:16] <LjL> well, debconf is there to make things easier and more organized, in theory
[07:16] <LjL> anyway i was just responding to the "if debconf decides to ask you"
[07:17] <lunitik> LjL: editing files yourself is faster... and I know why you stated it  :P
[07:18] <lunitik> LjL: I also know it would be asked... however it was intended as a joke... no need to rehash  ;)
[07:18] <LjL> sure, and if you're not experienced enough and edit it wrongly, you end up with a broken system than you aren't able to restore, since you can't even reach X again :)
[07:19] <lunitik> LjL: even your method would be done via a TUI  :/
[07:19] <LjL> yes, but it's more foolproof. you can't really lock yourself out of X through it
[07:19] <LjL> if, instead, you specify something wrong in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, that can happen
[07:20] <LjL> (or course you *can* still access X, but you have to know how)
[07:20] <lunitik> LjL: if you're a fool... no Debian based system is for you...
[07:21] <lunitik> LjL: if you're curious enough to install Linux, you ought to take the time to learn
[07:21] <LjL> that's not the position we usually take in #ubuntu or #kubuntu - people sometimes do mistakes, when they do we help them, and we try to teach them to use tools that make making mistakes harder
[07:22] <LjL> ubuntu is not debian, and the philosophy of the Ubuntu support channels is not debian's support channels
[07:22] <lunitik> LjL: thats why I'll likely be going back to Debian soon
[07:22] <zorglu1> yep it seems like a 'mine is bigger' war
[07:22] <kvarchil> lol
[07:22] <zorglu1> lunitik: we are all happy you found what you needed
[07:22] <user->  You cant learn linux without editing files
[07:22] <yanis> I am getting this when I try to install kde-dev http://pastebin.ca/81563
[07:22] <user->  and making mistakes!
[07:23] <lunitik> LjL: Ubuntu basically takes the position "Users are morons"... Debian takes the position "Users are not morons"
[07:23] <LjL> user-: yes, and you can't use a computer without knowing what a logic gate is. not.
[07:23] <lunitik> LjL: its kinda like the KDE vs GNOME positions
[07:23] <LjL> lunitik: no, ubuntu takes the position that "users may or may not be inexperienced"
[07:23] <zorglu1> lunitik: you stated your opinion multiple time. why repeat it ?
[07:24] <zorglu1> guys can you stop this religious war now ?
[07:24] <LjL> ok
[07:24] <lunitik> zorglu1: no one is making you pay attn
[07:24] <LjL> lunitik: no one is, but still we're being offtopic here
[07:24] <zorglu1> LjL: thanks
[07:25] <lunitik> LjL: we are talking about Kubuntu... how is it offtopic?  :(
[07:25] <zorglu1> lunitik: this is a help channel here. religious war are offtopic
[07:25] <Kreuger> I just booted and my resolution is at 680*432 or something. When I try to change it, nothing happens. I have my desired resolution still in xorg.conf
[07:25] <Kreuger> how come I cant select any other
[07:25] <jbrouhard> I don't think ubuntu is "for morons" per se.  It *DOES* have the best hardware support i've seen.  Many kudos to the Kubuntu devs
[07:26] <zorglu1> lunitik: there is a special #kubuntu-offtopic for all topic unrelated to helping people
[07:26] <zorglu1> jbrouhard: no need to feed this :)
[07:26] <jbrouhard> zorglu1: Thought i'd give kubuntu some praise, but ok ;)
[07:26] <Kreuger> anyone
[07:26] <lunitik> jbrouhard: Kubuntu uses discover1 and udev ... it just gives you access to binary drivers in the installer  :/
[07:27] <zorglu1> lunitik: can you please stop ?
[07:27] <lunitik> zorglu1: nope
[07:27] <zorglu1> (19:27:48) Kreuger: I just booted and my resolution is at 680*432 or something. When I try to change it, nothing happens. I have my desired resolution still in xorg.conf <- anybody knows the answer to this one ?
[07:27] <kvarchil> keep on :)
[07:27] <LjL> !offtopic
[07:27] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:28] <lunitik> Kreuger: your display Driver is set correctly?
[07:28] <LjL> (and #ubuntu-offtopic,. which is generally way more populated)
[07:28] <jbrouhard> zorglu1, Kreuger: that sounds vaguely familiar.. i don't remember what I did to fix mine :(
[07:28] <lunitik> Kreuger: you can force it by removing all resolutions other than the one you want in the file if you are sure
[07:29] <Kreuger> alright, I'll give it a try. any ideas as to why it did that? I didn't change anything
[07:29] <lunitik> Kreuger: if its using vesa (which seems to be default) though, then you want to change that
[07:29] <lunitik> Kreuger: probably because its using vesa
[07:30] <LjL> or maybe because X thinks that the monitor won't support the desired resolution's high refresh rate?
[07:30] <lunitik> Kreuger: the Live CD install method doesn't have good methods for resolution configuration
[07:30] <v3ctor> vesa == uber generic video driver
[07:30] <Kreuger> I didnt use the live cd
[07:30] <Kreuger> I had breezy then upgraded during the beta of dapper and it's been fine til now
[07:30] <v3ctor> only driver worse than vesa is the SIS driver
[07:30] <jbrouhard> *notes he got 1280x1024 using vesa before...
[07:30] <Kreuger> I was using the default driver
[07:30] <jbrouhard> but that was at 60 hz
[07:30] <scheuri> hi all
[07:30] <lunitik> Kreuger: look in the file... if the driver for your card seems correct, then just do what I said about forcing it
[07:31] <Kreuger> then a week or 2 ago I switched the the glz
[07:31] <Kreuger> glx*
[07:31] <lunitik> v3ctor: I use the SiS driver... it supports larger resolutions
[07:31] <LjL> Kreuger: i assume that ctrl alt + and ctrl alt - don't get you the resolution you want?
[07:31] <Kreuger> you're right LjL
[07:31] <Kreuger> i'll be right back
[07:32] <lunitik> blah
[07:32] <lunitik> $50 says Kreuger changes the wrong section
[07:32] <sysrpl> http://svg.codebot.org/?svg=31
[07:32] <sotired> anybody play legends?
[07:32] <lunitik> s/section/selection/
[07:32] <LjL> screen resolutions and refresh rates should definitely be made saner to set
[07:33] <lunitik> LjL: kde-guidance is only way in Kubuntu via GUI...
[07:33] <Kreuger> removing the others worked, Im back to the right resolution
[07:33] <Kreuger> thanks
[07:33] <sotired> when i installed legends the sound worked....now it doesnt,..but only for that game. any suggestions?
[07:33] <LjL> lunitik: yeah, and it leaves more than a bit to be desired
[07:33] <lunitik> sotired: does it work again if you 'pkill -9 artsd' and try the game again?
[07:33] <sotired> lemme check
[07:34] <gatekeeper> lunitik: $50 just gone up in smoke :-)
[07:34] <lunitik> gatekeeper: Good thing I didn't shake on it then  :P
[07:34] <sotired> lunitik:didnt work :(
[07:35] <lunitik> sotired: what sound method does 'legends' use?
[07:35] <lunitik> sotired: I don't see it in the archive  :(
[07:35] <sotired> i dont know
[07:35] <lunitik> sotired: where'd you get it from?
[07:36] <sotired> i dont rmemeber....sourceforge page maybe
[07:36] <lunitik> sotired: if you got it via a .deb ... apt-cache show it and paste the depends section to a pastebin somewhere for me
[07:36] <sotired> no .deb :(
[07:36] <sotired> sorry
[07:37] <lunitik> sotired: ahh... self compiled? and you don't know what sound method it depended on?
[07:37] <sotired> when i got it it was either a .run or .sh
[07:37] <sotired> i dont remember which
[07:37] <lunitik> sotired: meh... its probably SDL ... it _definatly_ worked when it was installed?
[07:38] <sotired> yes
[07:38] <sotired> when i isntalled it i had sound...now i hear nothing...i didnt change any settings
[07:38] <lunitik> sotired: sudo aptitude install libsdl1.2debian-arts
[07:39] <lunitik> sotired: if that doesn't do it... you're gonna have to ask again later
[07:39] <lunitik> (when someone is around that knows about that game)
[07:39] <lunitik> Most games do seem to use SDL though
[07:39] <sebast> I am using this page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  I have installed Apache, PHP,  and MySQL.  and I have ran the
[07:39] <sebast> gksudo "gedit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" command
[07:40] <sebast> and and put my username and group name where I thought it was meant to go.  ,but  I still need root for var www
[07:40] <Cntryboy> Does anyone know of an amule client mod that has a feature to disable ppl from downloading from you?
[07:40] <sebast> where Apache has it's files
[07:40] <Cntryboy> like dazzle emule has this feature
[07:40] <sebast> I want to be able to save into that folder without needing root.
[07:40] <sebast> anyone can help?
[07:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Apollon > Amule and has that feature
[07:41] <Cntryboy> sebast: not sure what ur asking but have you tried chmod 777
[07:41] <Cntryboy> lunitik: any idea where to download this?
[07:41] <Cntryboy> I have 2.1KB dialup lol
[07:41] <sebast> chmod 777 what's that?
[07:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its in the archive
[07:42] <Cntryboy> sebast: lets all users access instead of just root
[07:42] <lunitik> Cntryboy: archive.ubuntu.com/pool/a/apollon
[07:42] <Cntryboy> lunitik: can I apt-get it?
[07:43] <lunitik> sebast: what Cntryboy said is wrong... it makes it executable, read and write for defined user and group... and also everyone else
[07:43] <Cntryboy> lunitik: http://archive.ubuntu.com/pool/a/apollon doesn't work
[07:43] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yes its apt-get able
[07:43] <gatekeeper> sebast: http://www.ss64.com/bash/chmod.html
[07:43] <Cntryboy> lunitik: isn't he wanting to access for read and write?
[07:43] <Cntryboy> I caught the tail end
[07:43] <larson9999> Cntryboy: you mean certain people or everyone?
[07:43] <Pupeno> Hello.
[07:44] <Cntryboy> lunitk: able is that the file name?
[07:44] <Pupeno> anybody succesfully using guidedog ?
[07:44] <sebast> I want to have access to /var/www the folder Apache needs for it's files.  and without needing root for this.  just my normal account
[07:44] <lunitik> Cntryboy: ffs... 'apt-get install apollon'   :/
[07:44] <Cntryboy> I thought chmod would do that sebast I dunno
[07:44] <Cntryboy> kk lunitik let me try thx
[07:45] <Pupeno> sebast: man chown, man chmod or search for a tutorial on linux file permissions
[07:45] <lunitik> sebast: should set up apache to use a dir in the users home
[07:45] <Cntryboy> lunitik: it's downloading
[07:46] <sebast> lunitik how would I set up Apache to use a dir in the home folder?
[07:46] <lunitik> Cntryboy: also, for FastTrack: http://gift-fasttrack.berlios.de/  (note debian packages link near bottem...)
[07:46] <lunitik> sebast: in the file you edited earlier  :/
[07:47] <sebast> ok,  but how?  I don't know
[07:47] <coachJ> Kub's site says that amarok 1.4.1 is aviable but adept does not find it, amyone else have this?
[07:47] <lunitik> sebast: google apache config
[07:47] <gatekeeper> sebast: you need to set up a virtual host
[07:47] <Pupeno> is there any working firewall/masquerading application other than coping an iptables script into /etc/init.d/ ? Something like guidedog but that actually works ?
[07:48] <sebast> gatekeeper  virtual host?
[07:48] <sebast> what's that
[07:48] <Pupeno> coachJ: I think you'll need a special repo for that.
[07:48] <jeff_> linux is fun :)
[07:48] <sebast> yeah jeff_  except for some stuff
[07:48] <sysrpl> how can i add a single svg graphic to the kde icon cache?
[07:48] <lunitik> coachJ: did you even read the report? it tells you on the site how to set it up
[07:49] <coachJ> no i didnt read, thks for the rebuke
[07:49] <gatekeeper> sebast: have a look at this :-) http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
[07:49] <kvarchil> how was the command to uninstall ? sudo aptitude farge [app]  ?
[07:49] <jeff_> sebast: like whaaaaaat?? :) haha
[07:49] <lunitik> Cntryboy: pay attn to http://gift-edonkey.berlios.de/ from time to time also... this would provide you with amule's functionality (transfers from edonkey's network)
[07:50] <jeff_> all good fun when its figured out =] 
[07:50] <Pupeno> kvarchil: sudo aptitude purge <package> if you want to remove the config files.
[07:50] <sebast> like setting up Apache,  MySQL, and PHP
[07:50] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I started up apollon, and it says: Where is your giFT? - Apollon, Sorry, I couldn't locate your giFT installion, please select the path to your giFT like /.../share/giFT
[07:50] <Cntryboy> whats that mean?
[07:50] <Pupeno> kvarchil: sudo aptitude remove <package> otherwise (I think).
[07:51] <Pupeno> kvarchil: man aptitude or aptitude --help to find out.
[07:51] <kvarchil> thanks
[07:51] <lunitik> Cntryboy: blah... 'apt-get install giftd libgnutella-gift libopenft-gift ; gift-setup'
[07:51] <coachJ> ok i read it but im new to this, so asll i need to do is add the rep to my list?
[07:51] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then install the fasttrack plugin I linked you to also
[07:52] <Cntryboy> lunitik: haha, what is all that?
[07:52] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then restart apollon
[07:52] <Cntryboy> lunitik: why am I needing all this to work, amule doesn't require all of this. Is this for the mod to work?
[07:52] <lunitik> Cntryboy: the daemon it can't find right now... and plugins that aren't installed by default via apt-get
[07:52] <gatekeeper> sebast: virtual host allows you to set up another Document Root for your Php file so you could have /home/<your name>/www>
[07:52] <coachJ> pupeno>>ok i read it but im new to this, so asll i need to do is add the rep to my list?
[07:53] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Apollon is far supperior to Amule, just, a little more technical  :/
[07:53] <Cntryboy> lunitik: but it is amule, just mod for it right?
[07:53] <Pupeno> coachJ: if you are new, you should not go out experimenting with other repositories; if you want to experiment, you have to learn. There are plenty of docs on-line about how apt works, how to configure, etc, etc.
[07:54] <sebast> gatekeeper:  could you please do me a favour :)  and just tell me how to do that or give me the link to a page that does
[07:54] <lunitik> Cntryboy: No... this is a different thing that supports openft, fasttrack, gnutella, ares - and is working on opennap, edonkey support
[07:54] <lunitik> Cntryboy: lots more files  :)
[07:55] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Amule only supports e-donkey
[07:55] <Cntryboy> Ic
[07:55] <Cntryboy> so that link you was talking about fasttrack what is that..
[07:55] <coachJ> ok, but I want to get the new amorak, how should I do it?
[07:55] <gatekeeper> sebast: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/examples.html
[07:55] <Cntryboy> Cntryboy: pay attn to http://gift-edonkey.berlios.de/ from time to time also... this would provide you with amule's functionality (transfers from edonkey's network)
[07:55] <Cntryboy> or that rther
[07:55] <lunitik> Cntryboy: OpenFT is giFT's protocol, FastTrack is Kazaa and friends, Gnutella is Limewire and friends... OpenNap is WinMX and friends
[07:56] <Cntryboy> oic
[07:56] <Cntryboy> sorta
[07:56] <Cntryboy> so if I don't go to the edonkey link or fastrack, that means it won't work right?
[07:56] <lunitik> Cntryboy: thats for E-Donkey support, which isn't functional right now... gift-fasttrack.berlios.de is where to find fasttrack plugin
[07:57] <gatekeeper> sebast: here is another set of examples: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:aiiv67mRV0IJ:www.notepad.co.uk/articles/refsheet_apache_virtualhosts.php%3Fa%3D000018+apache+virtualhost&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=4&client=firefox
[07:57] <lunitik> Cntryboy: libgnutella-gift is in the archives, and giftd is also... so it'd be functional... just can have so much more  :)
[07:57] <Cntryboy> so if I wanted to use just e-donkey right now, I don't even need this giFT plugin?
[07:58] <lunitik> Cntryboy: e-donkey doesn't work with gift at the moment
[07:58] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you _need_ giftd for apollon to work
[07:58] <Cntryboy> lunitik: is there a main site that explains step by step how to do this and all the links incase I reinstall kubuntu
[07:59] <sebast> gatekeeper I do not understand this virtual host stuff.  so I guess I am better off just sorting out that Linux file permisisons bull shit.  and figuring out how I can save files to /var/www with this user account.  just like if I was to save to my home folder
[08:00] <lunitik> Cntryboy: just 'aptitude install apollon' and run 'gift-setup' next time... (instead of using adept or apt-get) and you'll get all the functionality you need
[08:00] <gatekeeper> sebast: all you have to do is modify your apache.conf file
[08:00] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then just search google for 'fasttrack gift' - its the first result  ;)
[08:00] <sebast> right except I Don't know wht I am doing
[08:01] <Cntryboy> lunitik: well I did this apt-get install giftd libgnutella-gift libopenft-gift ; gift-setup and it finished, but when I start apollon again it still asked about giFT
[08:01] <slow-motion> bye
[08:01] <lunitik> Cntryboy: apt-get doesn't install recommend's, this is why you don't have a functional apollon
[08:01] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yes... don't use apt-get next time... use aptitude
[08:02] <Cntryboy> so what do I need to do as of now to get this working?
[08:02] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you can think of aptitude as apt-get-ng ... far more intelligent
[08:02] <Cntryboy> and I don't need fasttrack ect. edonkey will be fine until I get the hang of it
[08:02] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you changed the first value to something other than 0 in the questions?
[08:02] <lunitik> Cntryboy: just restart apollon
[08:02] <Cntryboy> no I didn't know how to change it
[08:02] <Cntryboy> i tried to type 1
[08:03] <Cntryboy> wouldn't let me type
[08:03] <lunitik> Cntryboy: edonkey is not supported yet...
[08:03] <Cntryboy> so default is still 0
[08:03] <sebast> where is the apache.conf located
[08:03] <Cntryboy> sebast sudo kate /.../.. apache.conf maybe
[08:03] <sebast> better question
[08:03] <Cntryboy> not sure the dir
[08:03] <freewill> can i install wine on kubuntuamd64?
[08:03] <lunitik> Cntryboy: if you really ran gift-setup... you now have a .giFT dir in your home dir... make sure the first option is something other than 1
[08:04] <lunitik> freewill: is it in the archive?  :/
[08:04] <Cntryboy> lunitik: k ill look am I looking for a conf file
[08:04] <freewill> no only 32bit debs
[08:04] <gatekeeper> sebast: have a good read of this: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch20_:_The_Apache_Web_Server
[08:04] <lunitik> Cntryboy: uhhh... something other than 0
[08:04] <idolater> nabend
[08:05] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it can be 'fucking working damnit' for all gift cares... it just can't be '0'
[08:05] <lunitik> s/working/work/
[08:05] <Cntryboy> lunitik: don't get all huffy, i'm trying to find the .giFT folder I don't see it in my home
[08:05] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it was meant as a joke...
[08:05] <Cntryboy> I see all other .dir but not .giFT
[08:06] <lunitik> Cntryboy: then you didn't run gift-setup
[08:06] <lunitik> Cntryboy: try again
[08:06] <Cntryboy> lol apt-get install giftd libgnutella-gift libopenft-gift ; gift-setup
[08:06] <Cntryboy> that right
[08:06] <Cntryboy> ok js
[08:06] <p0mppu> Hi all..how can I disable graphical bootup ("Kubuntu") in Kubuntu Dapper?
[08:06] <lunitik> p0mppu: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:07] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I hit 1 and now I see /main/hosts_allow [LOCAL] 
[08:07] <lunitik> p0mppu: kernel lines... remove "splash"
[08:07] <sysrpl> what is up with the kde clipboard? here in the kde conversation app, each channel i am in has a different clipboard. that's fucked up
[08:07] <Cntryboy> I hope this isn't opening my pc up to anyone connecting at anytime, not sure what this giFT shit really is
[08:07] <lunitik> Cntryboy: keep hitting enter till it returns you to console
[08:07] <sysrpl> it menas i can't copy from one channel and paste into another
[08:07] <freewill> i want wine to run on kubuntu amd64 should i try compiling from source? or is there a bin somewhere you know of?
[08:08] <sebast> gatekeeper:  thanks for link I am reading it
[08:08] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it won't... just hitting enter a lot will disable incoming connections
[08:08] <Cntryboy> lunitik: can I redo some of this in gui after its up and running
[08:08] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yes...
[08:09] <Cntryboy> k trying to load up apollon again, dang this is complicated to get a program running
[08:09] <lunitik> Cntryboy: this is also why its best to just change first option, then hit yes a bunch...
[08:09] <Cntryboy> new to linux and sux at it
[08:09] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its ok... I forget sometimes how complicated apollon is... but its by _far_ the best p2p client for Linux
[08:09] <freewill> how can i test if i have my nvidia dervers setup? (whats that command called glgrears?)
[08:10] <gatekeeper> Cntryboy: persistance you'll get there in the end :-)
[08:10] <lunitik> glxgears
[08:10] <freewill> thx
[08:10] <freewill> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[08:11] <Cntryboy> lunitik: apollon is now running and im looking under the config.. it has uploads enabled and file sharing enabled, I thought just hitting enter disables all of that
[08:11] <lunitik> Cntryboy: from now on though... when people tell you 'apt-get install this' ... _always_ use 'aptitude install this' instead
[08:11] <lunitik> Cntryboy: if you'd done that earlier... it would have made this seem much less complicated
[08:11] <Cntryboy> so aptitude installs everything needed while apt-get install only main proggy right?
[08:11] <sysrpl> how do you add a single graphic icon to kde's icon cache?
[08:11] <lunitik> Cntryboy: meh... it won't be possible... just uncheck it though...
[08:12] <Cntryboy> k
[08:12] <lunitik> Cntryboy: apt-get installs only depends to run... aptitude installs things that make it useful
[08:13] <Cntryboy> ook
[08:13] <Cntryboy> so default apollon right now, what does it support?
[08:13] <lunitik> Cntryboy: at least thats the easiest way to explain it to you and make you understand  :)
[08:13] <Cntryboy> as of now
[08:13] <lunitik> Cntryboy: depends, what does Advanced list?
[08:13] <gatekeeper> lunitik: is that your normal of installing stuff? I was talking to a number of people on the news goups who had had bad experiences with apptitude mucking up
[08:14] <Cntryboy> lunitik: for plugin openft
[08:14] <Cntryboy> is all i c
[08:14] <lunitik> gatekeeper: yes... its all I use... and never have issues
[08:14] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Add > Gnutella
[08:14] <lunitik> Cntryboy: actually, it'll say 'libgnutella-gift.so' or something
[08:15] <zorglu1> lunitik: can you explain the issue you experienced with apt-get ?
[08:15] <lunitik> gatekeeper: only possible way to have issues imo is via accepting conflict resolutions that suck
[08:15] <zorglu1> im not aware of any issue
[08:15] <lunitik> zorglu1: it doesn't install recommends  :/
[08:16] <benkong2> hey thanks group looks like the kubuntu-desktop install went ok. Now I just have to get my network working. It doesn't start wireless automatically and I am checking wired ethernet now.
[08:16] <Cntryboy> okay done
[08:16] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so now it supports limeware right
[08:16] <lunitik> Cntryboy: I'd install the FastTrack plugin now... then get to downloading  :)
[08:16] <gatekeeper> lunitik: have to change my behavoir :-)
[08:17] <freewill> (in the nvidia ho-to): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable -> Error: your X configuratoin has been altered... what now?
[08:17] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you can think of it that was... actually Limewire uses Gnutella though, and so are you currently  :)
[08:17] <Cntryboy> ok so that openft plugin what is that exactly? is that a p2p or just the plugin to make all this work
[08:17] <lunitik> gatekeeper: there is an /etc/apt/preferences option to do that... but meh... aptitude does it by default  :/
[08:18] <jo_> hello i have an problem with kaffeine, it doesnt play sound when i watch tv
[08:18] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it is the p2p network that the giFT folks are working on... its based on FastTrack, but open source, and incompatible
[08:18] <jo_> but sound is working
[08:18] <lunitik> jo_: sudo aptitude install libmad0
[08:18] <gatekeeper> lunitik: cool :-) thanx for the info, another little tip :-)
[08:18] <jo_> ok thx i try
[08:19] <Cntryboy> so giFT is in other words the front end to connect to other p2p networks right?
[08:19] <Cntryboy> maybe i'm misunderstanding lol, I'm trying to follow though
[08:19] <lunitik> gatekeeper: if you start using aptitude though, make sure you glance over what it wants to do to resolve depends though...
[08:20] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no... giFT comprises a server that allows for plugins (giftd) and a protocol (openft) ... apollon is the client  ;)
[08:21] <lunitik> uhh... frontend*
[08:21] <gatekeeper> lunitik: will tell you what it's going to do like synaptic you mean?
[08:21] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you're basically correct though  :)
[08:21] <Cntryboy> I dunno dude lol I haven't slept in 3 days
[08:21] <lunitik> gatekeeper: synaptic doesn't do conflict resolution afaik?
[08:22] <jeff_> anyone here using mythTV?
[08:22] <freewill> (in the nvidia ho-to): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable -> Error: your X configuratoin has been altered... so i edited the xorg.conf myself and set # infront of dri&glx and set nv to nvidia, i get the nvidia splash but still don't have opengl working
[08:22] <p0mppu> lunitik: thanks :)
[08:22] <Cntryboy> i'm at fasttrack now and the only deb. packages I found is unstable ones, is this what u use?
[08:22] <jo_> lunitik: still no sound after installing libmad0
[08:22] <gatekeeper> lunitik: I will go and have a little read up
[08:22] <jo_> got this error audio_decoder: no plugin available to handle 'MPEG layer 2/3'
[08:22] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Apollon is a giftd frontend... all the libfoo-gift things are plugins providing protocols
[08:22] <lunitik> jo_: meh... thats what libmad0 is for... what app are you using?
[08:23] <Cntryboy> lunitik: smart man ya are
[08:23] <p0mppu> exit
[08:23] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:23] <lunitik> jo_: nm... kaffeine
[08:23] <gatekeeper> lunitik: usually you get a load of dependant libs and just say yes
[08:23] <Cntryboy> lunitik: but only thing I can find is unstable debs
[08:23] <jo_> err kaffeine i think and that uses xine i guess
[08:23] <lunitik> jo_: aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[08:23] <jo_> watching dvb-t
[08:23] <lunitik> jo_: uhh... stick a sudo infront of that
[08:25] <cox377> !benchmark
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about benchmark
[08:25] <cox377> !benchmarking
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about benchmarking
[08:25] <cox377> !bench marking
[08:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about bench marking
[08:25] <lunitik> Cntryboy: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/gift-fasttrack/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386 > right click the .deb there... Kubuntu Package Menu > Install
[08:26] <Cntryboy> cool
[08:26] <Pupeno> !games
[08:26] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:26] <Cntryboy> got an error
[08:26] <jo_> i do lunitik :) but still the problem, no sound 0 Pakete aktualisiert, 0 zustzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 2 nicht aktualisiert.
[08:26] <jo_> Muss 0B an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 0B zustzlich belegt sein.
[08:26] <jo_> Schreibe erweiterte Statusinformation... Fertig
[08:26] <jo_> looks like it was  already installed
[08:27] <lunitik> jo_: do me a favor "LC=C kaffeine" from konsole and tell me what it says in English  :)
[08:27] <lunitik> Cntryboy: meh... then just copy to harddrive and install via dpkg -i result
[08:28] <Cntryboy> lunitik: how can I copy error from this window and ill show u error in pm
[08:28] <jo_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode:  144 Minor opcode:  3 Resource id:  0x0
[08:28] <jo_> Failed to open device
[08:28] <jo_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 Major opcode:  144 Minor opcode:  3 Resource id:  0x0
[08:28] <Cntryboy> talks about cannot access archive ect
[08:28] <jo_> Failed to open device
[08:28] <jo_> ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (373)
[08:28] <jo_> DVB 1 : No such file or directory
[08:28] <lunitik> Cntryboy: just drag to desktop and choose copy if it asks
[08:28] <jo_> DVB 2 : No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> DVB 3 : No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> Card 0 : opened ( WideView USB DVB-T )
[08:28] <jo_> Card 1 :openFe :: No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> Card 2 :openFe :: No such file or directory
[08:28] <jo_> Card 3 :openFe :: No such file or directory
[08:28] <Hawkwind> jo_: Please stop
[08:28] <jo_> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[08:28] <Cntryboy> jo_: don't flood me out
[08:29] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[08:29] <lunitik> jo_: they have pastebins for that!
[08:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:29] <Hawkwind> jo_: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[08:29] <Cntryboy> jo_: use pastebin
[08:29] <jo_> sorry guys
[08:29] <Hawkwind> A little bit of common sense would tell you that
[08:29] <Pupeno> Trying to aplay ubuntu Sax.ogg I get the error: "aplay: main:544: audio open error: Invalid argument". Any ideas what can be causing it ? other programs like amarok and alsaplayer seem to play but no audio can be heard.
[08:29] <lunitik> Pupeno: you sure your card is configured?
[08:30] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so why did I get an error trying to install it the way you first said?
[08:30] <jo_> lunitik: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17442
[08:30] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no idea... I've never used it, just seemed like the right thing to say in #kubuntu
[08:31] <_simian_> how can i check if my swap memory is working?
[08:31] <Pupeno> lunitik: some days ago it worked and I haven't done anything and... well... I might be able to past it some day.
[08:31] <lunitik> Cntryboy: to add that... just go back to Advanced, and add it like you did gnutella
[08:31] <malin> !repositories
[08:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:31] <lunitik> Cntryboy: now you have access to the 2 most popular p2p networks
[08:31] <_simian_> i've looked on ksysguard and nothing is registering on swap
[08:31] <malin> !easysource
[08:31] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:31] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so just do : sudo dpkg -i (filename) in term?
[08:32] <lunitik> Cntryboy: yeah
[08:32] <Cntryboy> kk thx
[08:32] <Pupeno> lunitik: here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17443
[08:32] <Cntryboy> ill let ya know if it works lol
[08:32] <lunitik> Riddell: note, currently there are two people with issues because you've assumed dmix functionality
[08:32] <gatekeeper> lunitik: here is says apt-get has a conflict resolution, and other people are saying that synaptic does too but uses a different database to aptitude hmmm.
[08:33] <Cntryboy> lunitik: i tried to right click it like u said, and i think it let me do it this time, I guess cause it wasn't on my hd when I tried it from website.. let me check now
[08:33] <gatekeeper> lunitik: ooops forgot URL: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apt-get.8.html
[08:33] <Cntryboy> lunitik: shit it installed fine when I did it, but when I go to advance and add it's not listed
[08:34] <lunitik> Pupeno: hmm... you have /dev/dsp though?
[08:34] <Pupeno> $ ls /dev/dsp -l
[08:34] <Pupeno> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-07-07 17:19 /dev/dsp
[08:35] <malin> anyone can give me a good sources list?
[08:35] <lunitik> Cntryboy: dpkg -L libfasttrack-gift <--- where does it say it put the .so?
[08:36] <Cntryboy> here ... /usr/lib/giFT/libFastTrack.so
[08:36] <Cntryboy> but apollon should find it here
[08:37] <lunitik> Cntryboy: it should, yes
[08:37] <lunitik> Cntryboy: restart apollon again?
[08:37] <Pupeno> lsof | grep dsp doesn't show anything.
[08:37] <Cntryboy> lunitik: ive tried that :(
[08:37] <lunitik> malin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17444  <-- will get you new amarok and kde with dapper
[08:38] <lunitik> Cntryboy: I don't know... it should just be there via Advances > Add  :/
[08:38] <Cntryboy> lunitik: think I should reboot
[08:39] <sebast> gateskeeper:  nope didn't work on that page.  to create a folder in Home for Apache.  and I have tryed to figure out how to change folder permissions,  but got fucking no where
[08:39] <Cntryboy> ahh wait a sec
[08:39] <Cntryboy> i bet i know why js
[08:39] <cox377> does anyone here use swiftfox?
[08:39] <cox377> !swiftfox
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about swiftfox
[08:39] <SpAwN> hmmm...wonder why kubuntu doesnt benchmark quite as well........
[08:39] <lunitik> malin: note you need Riddell's gpg key... do what this tells you about that: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:39] <sebast> !folderpermissions
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about folderpermissions
[08:39] <sebast> !beinganarsehole
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about beinganarsehole
[08:39] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I got it, I was closing the app, but it still was open in far right panel. lol
[08:39] <gatekeeper> !chmod
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about chmod
[08:39] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its there now?
[08:40] <lunitik> gatekeeper: !tell foo about bar
[08:40] <Cntryboy> lunitik: so can I pick servers to go to, or how does it find me a server like most ones you can choose? ect. emule/edonkey u can choose servers with most files.
[08:40] <jo_> lunitik: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17445
[08:41] <jo_> any idea left?
[08:41] <sebast> !folder permissions
[08:41] <ubotu> I know nothing about folder permissions
[08:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: you can't really... it just finds the best available
[08:41] <Pupeno> !games
[08:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:41] <sebast> !root
[08:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:41] <lunitik> sebast: /msg the bot!!!!
[08:41] <Cntryboy> lunitik: okay thx bro, ya got me setup, I owe ya
[08:41] <lunitik> sebast: thats getting annoying
[08:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no you don't  ;)
[08:41] <cox377> swiftfox anyone?
[08:41] <lunitik> Cntryboy: hope you like it though  :)
[08:42] <Cntryboy> well with dialup it will take awhile, but its better than no internet I guess
[08:42] <sebast> right I got a folder and root has the permissions.  however I want just my nomal account here to have all the permissions for it.  how beeping hard is it to change this?  FFS
[08:42] <lunitik> sebast: man chown and man chgrp
[08:43] <sebast> carn't you just tell me how to change it step by step :)
[08:43] <Cntryboy> lunik: so do you think amule will ever go this route so you can get all p2p networks?
[08:43] <lunitik> sebast: /EXAMPLES after 'man chown' for instance
[08:43] <uuuubsd> use bittorrent
[08:44] <lunitik> sebast: it shows you what to do
[08:44] <uuuubsd> bitcomet happen to be the best out there, but too bad it's for windows
[08:44] <sebast> amule sucks emule sucks edonkey sucks.  Azureus :)  very good.  Shareaza pretty good,  but Azureus and torrents kicks arse :)
[08:44] <lunitik> Cntryboy: no... but giftd will soon have support for edonkey, so amule is obsolete
[08:44] <Cntryboy> yah
[08:45] <lunitik> sebast: please don't give advice, you can't even be asked to read man pages
[08:45] <zorglu1> sebast: chmod yourusername:yourgroupname yourdirname <- adapt this command to your need
[08:45] <Cntryboy> lunitik: Im not saying I want amule, just wondering if it would
[08:45] <lunitik> uuuubsd: bittorrent is fine is you like things that are popular
[08:45] <Cntryboy> never heard of azureus
[08:45] <lunitik> uuuubsd: bittorrent is slow if not though
[08:45] <Cntryboy> shareaza seems like that sharebear p2p though lol
[08:45] <lunitik> Cntryboy: its java, which automatically means it sucks
[08:45] <sebast> zorglu1:  What's the <- adapt about?
[08:46] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:46] <zorglu1> sebast: well you asked an question about directory and changing owner. it was the answer
[08:46] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Shareasa is crap... its Gnutella2 based, except Gnutella2 has no users compared to Gnutella
[08:46] <sebast> ok so that's part of the command then I assume
[08:46] <zorglu1> sebast: nope :)
[08:46] <zorglu1> sebast: ok what is the directory name  ?
[08:47] <sebast>   /var/www
[08:47] <lunitik> sebast: I already told you how to see examples in the man page...
[08:47] <sensei> lunitik: Portability mostly
[08:47] <zorglu1> sebast: what is your username groupname ? id -un and id -gn will tell your
[08:47] <sensei> Access to developers and resources
[08:47] <lunitik> zorglu1: STOP!
[08:47] <zorglu1> lunitik: ?
[08:48] <Cntryboy> lunitik: this apollon rox, damn ive never seen so many files and users
[08:48] <lunitik> sebast: man chown and type '/EXAMPLES' ... why make zorglu1 repeat what is in the man page?
[08:48] <lunitik> Cntryboy: :)
[08:48] <zorglu1> lunitik: please avoid this
[08:48] <Cntryboy> lunitik: can't wait for edonkey to be avaibl also
[08:48] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> can someone that knows how to get rid of firefox startup errors help me fix this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17446 ,
[08:48] <zorglu1> sebast: ok so what is the answer ?
[08:48] <zorglu1> sebast: still here ?
[08:49] <lunitik> zorglu1: seriously dude, why are you typing something that someone already typed?
[08:49] <yanis_> how do I change my ip using command line?
[08:49] <sebast> username and group name:  Rethink
[08:49] <scott__> is there a way to make flash play smoothly in firefox/swiftfox while i browse/refresh other pages, im playing a msuic video through youtube and every tiem i browse/refresh another website the music/video stutters and tops :(
[08:49] <zorglu1> lunitik: can you mind your own business please and let me help this guy ?
[08:49] <lunitik> yanis_: man interfaces or man ifconfig
[08:49] <Cntryboy> lunitik: is there an option in apollon to no list your files in search? even though I have sharing disabled?
[08:49] <sebast> rethink even
[08:50] <sensei> Cntryboy: Sharing disabled?
[08:50] <lunitik> Cntryboy: that is the option you want  :)
[08:50] <yanis_> lunitik: i changed it using ifconfig but after the reboot it was the old again
[08:50] <Cntryboy> well for example, with emule dazzle for windows u could disable sharing, but your files still would come up on search
[08:50] <zorglu1> yanis: ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 <- you may have to change the ip address and the device name eth0
[08:50] <binary_> hello
[08:50] <lunitik> yanis_: then you want man interfaces ... /etc/network/interfaces is where to change it through restarts
[08:51] <gatekeeper> zorglu1: he needs to set up a virtual host example is here: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch20_:_The_Apache_Web_Server
[08:51] <zorglu1> hmm ok
[08:52] <sebast> gateskeeper:  or just make it so that I can save stuff in /var/www  like on Dapper on PC.  that I will be formatting
[08:52] <zorglu1> lunitik: just in case you dont know it is not a rtfm channel, more like 'lets help the users' channel
[08:52] <sebast> and re installing
[08:52] <lunitik> Enabling lazy users is not helpful
[08:52] <sensei> zorglu1: Actually, pointing someone in the right direction IS helping
[08:52] <roberto_> alguien de sabadell
[08:52] <gatekeeper> zorglu1: it's a while since I have done it and don't have apache set up on this PC otherwise I would walk him through it
[08:53] <zorglu1> lunitik: well it is your opinion
[08:53] <binary_> make it a performance boost when i install the orginal nvidia driver?
[08:53] <sensei> Just spoon feeding makes people dependant and unable to find info on their own
[08:53] <zorglu1> sensei: yep but saying 'stop to help this user' is clearly not
[08:53] <sensei> Okay, I can really see the point behind saying that, even though it's kind of harsh
[08:53] <zorglu1> sensei: yep and rtfm make a real bad reputation :)
[08:53] <ru> i added another lilo instance to my MBR, how do I remove it?
[08:54] <sensei> But why help someone that goes "I won't read! I expect you to do it for me!"
[08:54] <sebast> so format
[08:54] <lunitik> binary_: sudo aptitude install nvidia-kernel-common  and make X use 'nvidia' rather than 'nv' or 'vesa'
[08:54] <sebast> and the thing that was worrying me before I format.  is LAMP
[08:54] <sensei> zorglu1: It make a real good userbase tho
[08:54] <zorglu1> sensei: nope :) it make no user :)
[08:54] <sebast> I would rather know what I am doing.  when I re install Dapper on that PC and want LAMP.  so setting up on this lap top
[08:54] <sebast> and going through bull shit again
[08:54] <zorglu1> sensei: and this is clearly against ubuntu as a principle
[08:54] <Cntryboy> lunitik: what is kubuntu image editor viewer, like gnome has gnome viewer .aka sucks or gnome editor viewer which is cool.
[08:54] <binary_> @lunitik: and this are the same driver like on the nvidia page. i have compilte the latest one and the nforce but now it make problems :D
[08:55] <paolo> hi
[08:55] <paolo> I have a problem with azureus programm
[08:55] <zorglu1> sensei: if i want to help somebody, lunitik have no say in stopping me or not
[08:55] <sensei> zorglu1: If someone is too lazy to read a 2 scroll page and relies on everyone else to do the job for them, I could really do without that user :)
[08:55] <paolo> can you help me???
[08:55] <sensei> zorglu1: Of course not, I agreed that it was harsh
[08:55] <binary_> @paolo: what probs?
[08:55] <lunitik> Cntryboy: Gwenview for viewing, and Krita for editing
[08:56] <zorglu1> sensei: lunitik: i really would like this channel to stay convivial and not turn into rtfm or in religious war
[08:56] <lunitik> zorglu1: you're not helping, you're telling him what to do... not saying why... this isn't helping, this is doing it for him
[08:56] <paolo> when I try to open azureus
[08:56] <zorglu1> lunitik: well i was helping
[08:56] <binary_> what error
[08:56] <paolo> It show me a errore:
[08:56] <binary_> jre not installed?
[08:56] <paolo> Azureus did not down tidily
[08:56] <zorglu1> lunitik: man can you stop all this ?
[08:56] <paolo> and It invite me to cherck this error "Azureus Disappears" in wiki azureus
[08:56] <zorglu1> lunitik: all your religious war, all the 'i know better' stuff
[08:57] <lunitik> zorglu1: all this trying to create intelligent users?
[08:57] <paolo> not
[08:57] <paolo> I have not jre
[08:57] <scott__> lunitik: unless
[08:57] <zorglu1> lunitik: ???? i try to help user. im not arrogant enought to believe i can make them intelligent or not
[08:57] <lunitik> paolo: aptitude install sun-java5-jre from multiverse
[08:57] <zorglu1> lunitik: so please stop all this
[08:57] <inteliwasp> is there a way to utilize my extra buttons on my laptop?
[08:58] <sebast> paoio if something happens say your PC crashes whilst you had Azureus open.  it will say it didn't close down properly
[08:58] <lunitik> zorglu1: so, you want to repeat yourself next time he wants to do the same thing?
[08:58] <gatekeeper> sebast: the one I directed you too?
[08:58] <Cntryboy> lunitk: yah Im trying krita now but to brighten up my digital pictures I have to use a graph scale, isn't there a slider left to right?
[08:58] <lunitik> zorglu1: ok... don't let me stop you
[08:58] <zorglu1> lunitik: currently i want you to stop all your 'i know better' stuff :)
[08:58] <zorglu1> lunitik: all the religious war. all the read the fucking manual stuff
[08:58] <scott__> lunitik: unless you have something constructive and sueful to say can you refrain from dogging on people who are giving up their own time to help other people?
[08:59] <lunitik> zorglu1: I want you to stop your "users are morons, so I'm going to do it for them" stuff too... doesn't seem either of us are getting our way
[08:59] <scott__> *useful
[08:59] <zorglu1> lunitik: hey!!!!
[08:59] <zorglu1> lunitik: pfff man
[08:59] <Cntryboy> lol
[08:59] <zorglu1> lunitik: you came here starting your religious war about 'ubuntu make user moron' 'debian is for guru'
[08:59] <zorglu1> or close
[09:00] <zorglu1> so here it is ubuntu
[09:00] <Cntryboy> okay okay enough fighting
[09:00] <Cntryboy> lunitik: did ya see what I typed ya man
[09:00] <yanis_> lunitik: can you paste to me somewhere (maybe in private) a (your) sample /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:00] <sebast> gatekeeper:  the chown manual.  and I had a look at that webpage you gave earlier,  but didn't get anywhere.  doing whatever wrong I guess
[09:00] <paolo> LINUTIK, now I install it. Is it same "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre"
[09:00] <sensei> zorglu1: But you do see his/our point, don't you?
[09:00] <zorglu1> lunitik: so here it is ubuntu, you are not happy with it, fine
[09:00] <jeff_> is Synaptic installed on Kubuntu
[09:00] <jeff_> ?
[09:00] <yanis_> jeff_: no
[09:00] <sensei> I mean, if they're unable to find info on their own, they're bound to come here and ask again and again and again...
[09:01] <lunitik> scott__: sebast had a specific question... I showed him how to navigate the man page to an entry that tells him exactly what to do, and explains *why*... now zorglu1 is telling him, but not explaining anything
[09:01] <zorglu1> sensei: well i may be able to parse it thru
[09:01] <zorglu1> sensei: my point is his attitude
[09:01] <jeff_> yanis: what is Kubuntus program like it?
[09:01] <gatekeeper> jeff_: not by default you need to install it to use it
[09:01] <sebast> jeff_  Ubuntu uses Synaptic and you can install it in Kubuntu
[09:01] <yanis_> jeff_: adept
[09:01] <zorglu1> sensei: all the 'stop helping people, all the i know better'
[09:01] <jeff_> ahh
[09:01] <jeff_> ty!
[09:01] <sensei> zorglu1: Okay, fair enough :)
[09:01] <lunitik> yanis_: you wish to you DHCP? because otherwise, mine isn't useful to you
[09:01] <scott__> lunitik: i agree that while tellnig people what they made need to do that you should explain why, however alot of people dont care why as long as it works
[09:01] <jeff_> thanks guys ill try to figure it out!
[09:01] <yanis_> lunitik: no, I want to use static ips
[09:02] <sensei> lunitik: Btw manpages tend to suck for beginners, better point them to a google search ;)
[09:02] <Cntryboy> krita sucks
[09:02] <Cntryboy> lol
[09:02] <sebast> sensei indeed man pages suck
[09:02] <lunitik> yanis_: man interfaces ... when it comes up, type "/static"
[09:02] <sensei> sebast: .. for beginners. I love them as reference
[09:02] <lunitik> yanis_: this will give you exact syntax you need for static IP's
[09:03] <lunitik> sensei: I'm pointing them at EXACT text in man pages... :/
[09:03] <sensei> lunitik: Knock yourself out :)
[09:03] <sebast> scott_  I agree better to have someone telling me what I need to do and why :)  instead of just telling me what I need to do,  but not why
[09:04] <lunitik> sensei: not just "read this and fuck off"... instead "look here for this, it explains clearer than I can in an IRC channel"
[09:04] <yanis_> haha lunitik
[09:04] <sensei> sebast: Isn't it more your own responsibility to find out why as it is for someone else to spoon feed you?
[09:04] <Cntryboy> lol
[09:04] <sensei> lunitik: I agree with you
[09:04] <Cntryboy> Anyone know of a simple to use image editor?
[09:04] <zorglu1> sensei: sebast: or simply ask 'ok you give this command, what is its purpose'
[09:05] <Cntryboy> krita doesn't have a slider for adjustments
[09:05] <gatekeeper> sebast: which bits are confusing you?
[09:05] <zorglu1> well i dont :)
[09:05] <scott__> can we please stop the flame wars and please WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN
[09:05] <sensei> scott__: Flame war?
[09:05] <sensei> Is this your first time online? o.O
[09:05] <benkong2> hmmm.... question. If knetworkmanager is a front end for networkmanager daemon why does it need /etc/network/interfaces commented out and gnome-networkmanager does not?
[09:05] <lunitik> scott__: my language was intended to exagerate... which is why most adults use simular language
[09:06] <sebast> I just want to change the permissions on the /var/www folder so that I don't need root for it.  and can just save stuff in there etc.  just like if it was my home folder say
[09:06] <sebast> I Googled
[09:06] <sebast> and stuff
[09:06] <sensei> Exchanging of points of view and general thinking in an orderly manner isn't a flame war and is fully acceptable in most/all channels
[09:06] <sebast> given some pages,  but no good
[09:06] <sebast> I read the man page again no good
[09:06] <inteliwasp> is anyone available to help me?
[09:06] <lunitik> benkong2: no idea... probably knetworkmanager is just compiled for debian, whereas gnome-networkmanager is actually tweaking for debian
[09:07] <sensei> sebast: You read man chmod and you didn't understand? Which part?
[09:07] <sebast> the whole lot
[09:07] <benkong2> inteliwasp: what do you need?
[09:07] <sebast> or the part I read
[09:07] <Cntryboy> lunitik: ur my only hope lol no one else will respond
[09:07] <zorglu1> sebast: man i had to fight to help this guys :)
[09:07] <sensei> So you read 115 lines of instructions and didn't get anything? :)
[09:07] <lunitik> sebast: you read the man page and typed '/EXAMPLES' to see the syntax?
[09:07] <inteliwasp> benkong2:   is there a way to utilize my extra buttons on my laptop?
[09:07] <sebast> yes I read what came up and then typed /EXAMPLE
[09:07] <sebast> s
[09:07] <lunitik> Cntryboy: heh.. respond to what? I didn't see a question
[09:08] <sensei> sebast: Okay, here's what the manpage says: The operator + causes the permissions selected to be added to the  existing  permissions
[09:08] <zorglu1> sensei: lunitik:  sebast: I read the man page again no good <- some lessons here... serious
[09:08] <sensei> So that's part one.. Your command now looks like chmod +
[09:08] <benkong2> inteliwasp: what type of laptop? I have an IBM thinkpad T42 and they work in dapper
[09:08] <sensei> sebast: Secondly it says: The letters rwxXstugo select the new permissions for the affected users: read (r), write (w)
[09:08] <lunitik> zorglu1: if he can't help himself, I have no desire to help him
[09:08] <zorglu1> lunitik: well nobody asked you to :)
[09:08] <inteliwasp> benkong2:  i have a cpmpaq presario 2199us
[09:08] <sebast> I tryed to help my self lunitik if you read what I said,  but your to much of an arse it seems to reolize that
[09:08] <lunitik> zorglu1: why should I try more than him with an issue on his system?
[09:09] <Cntryboy> lunitik: I'm trying to find a image editor thats simple to use, krita doesn't have a slider adjustments for brightness ect. just a graph scale
[09:09] <sensei> And we DO want to write.. So now your command is: chmod +w .. And the SYNOPSIS says FILE at the end.. which means the file/dir you want to apply the permissions to
[09:09] <sensei> So now the command is: chmod +x /var/www/
[09:09] <sensei> sebast: With me so far?
[09:09] <zorglu1> lunitik: hehe you clearly dont get the ubuntu stuff :) it is about helping people. not imposing your point of view
[09:10] <lunitik> Cntryboy: something more like MSPaint for simplicity? kolorpaint ... I don't know anything easier... Krita can brighten things... its what I use for that task...
[09:10] <gatekeeper> lunitik: lunitik what's the syntax chmod /examples ?
[09:10] <lunitik> zorglu1: I'm not being paid, maybe you are?
[09:10] <sensei> sebast: And it early also says: A  combination  of  the  letters  ugoa  controls which users access to the file will be..... or all users (a).
[09:10] <zorglu1> lunitik: ???
[09:10] <sensei> sebast: Now your command looks like: chmod a+w /var/www
[09:10] <Cntryboy> lunitik: i know krita can, but its a graph scale, can I make it have a slider for adjustments, like gnome image editor for regular ubuntu?
[09:11] <cox377> my kubuntu is starting to feel sluggish
[09:11] <benkong2> inteliwasp: If you go to System -> Preferences -> Keyboard shortcuts, you can set hot keys including Volume buttons
[09:11] <lunitik> gatekeeper: no... 'man chmod' ... then when it comes up... type '/EXAMPLES' (caps are needed) ... this gives exact syntax, and explaination
[09:11] <cox377> is there any commands for clean ups etc etc?
[09:11] <sensei> sebast: And it's complete.. All written and read in plain English in the manpage.
[09:11] <zorglu1> lunitik: you dont plan to put all this 'i know better' for long, do you ?
[09:11] <lunitik> cox377: apt-get clean ... I can't think of anything else needed to be cleaned up?
[09:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[09:12] <sebast> I think I understand that.  and I am saving this convo :)  actsaully I think Konversation does that for me,  but whatever save in Open OFfice :)
[09:12] <lunitik> zorglu1: I plan on /ignore'ing you soon
[09:12] <sebast> and i'll try that command now of course
[09:12] <zorglu1> lunitik: pfff man
[09:12] <sebast> and I sort of get it :)
[09:12] <sensei> lunitik: Actually EXAMPLE doen't exist in my chmod manpage :)
[09:12] <coma_> hey guys, quick q, is it cool to set up java + newbeans using the java install binary?
[09:12] <zorglu1> lunitik: so serious you plan to goes on ?
[09:13] <Pupeno> Is there such a thing as a sound-card config somewhere (that I could copy to my HD if the Live CD just works) ?
[09:13] <gatekeeper> lunitik: I'm getting 'pattern not found'
[09:13] <sensei> Pupeno: alsaconf
[09:13] <inteliwasp> benkong2:  i ment like the button above the keyboard that in windoze, activated email, lockout,etc...
[09:13] <lunitik> coma_: cool? no... but it'd work
[09:14] <lunitik> coma_: cool would be using the gcj stuff  ;)
[09:14] <Pupeno> sensei: that's not an answer to my question, but aside that, I was told that alsaconf is obsolete.
[09:14] <Gentix> I need a good sound editor.. And please NO audacity and certainly NO GLAME!!
[09:14] <zorglu1> lunitik: "A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole." <- http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[09:14] <coma_> lunitik : is the gcj stuff difficult to use?
[09:14] <lunitik> gatekeeper: meh... same here... my original example was 'man chgrp' though
[09:14] <sensei> Pupeno: Then I didn't get your question
[09:14] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour. but you'll need to set up jack.
[09:14] <Gentix> ardour?
[09:15] <Pupeno> sensei: I want to put the LiveCD in and copy the autodetection of the sound card to my HD.
[09:15] <lunitik> coma_: just as easy really... although you may want to look into support for netbeans... I know eclipse is supported
[09:15] <Pupeno> Gentix: yes, the most professional I know. Seting up jack is not trivial but it is worth it if you intend to do audio work.
[09:15] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[09:15] <zorglu1> man this is so tought :)
[09:15] <coma_> thanks lunatik:D
[09:15] <zorglu1> only one bad apple and the whole tree goes down :)
[09:16] <Gentix> Pupeno: NO no no.. thats a sequencer.. thats what I certainly don't need
[09:16] <Gentix> Pupeno: I need a sound/wav editor
[09:16] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour is not a sequencer, it is an audio editor.
[09:16] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i rescan the music library in amarok? i just added new folder but it didnt scan it
[09:16] <Gentix> Pupeno: I need something siumlar to soundforge
[09:16] <gatekeeper> lunitik: just takes you to the section, will only work if the section exists, something else I have learnt cool :-)
[09:16] <lunitik> zorglu1: as I already said... I just wanted to try the Shipit CD... I'll be reinstalling real Debian again soon  :/
[09:16] <benkong2> inteliwasp: click on the button you want to assign and it will say new then press the button you want to activate email....etc.
[09:17] <Gentix> Pupeno: a sequencer aint a sound editor
[09:17] <sensei> Pupeno: Copy the autodetection? o.O
[09:17] <Pupeno> Gentix: I don't know soundforge, I never use it. But the profesional guys I know working on sound are using ardour to edit waves.
[09:17] <inteliwasp> oh
[09:17] <Pupeno> sensei: copy the config file the autodetection mechanism generated.
[09:17] <sensei> Pupeno: It's simply a module that's probed into the kernel
[09:17] <lunitik> gatekeeper: '/' works all around Unix and GUI stuff for search... examples are kate etc in kde... searches file system always
[09:18] <Pupeno> sensei: that is why I was asking if there was any config at all.
[09:18] <zorglu1> lunitik: thanks, please do it fast :)
[09:18] <Gentix> Pupeno: you don't edit waves with a sequencer. You only make sequences with waves... thats all it does
[09:18] <sensei> Pupeno: There's /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[09:18] <Pupeno> Gentix: are you reading what I am writting ?
[09:18] <sensei> But mainly you'll just want to know what module is loaded
[09:18] <Gentix> Pupeno: yes
[09:18] <gatekeeper> lunitik: cool :-)
[09:18] <lunitik> zorglu1: you must be good friends with Seveas ... despite people thanking me for help... you want me gone...
[09:19] <Pupeno> Gentix: let's try another aproach: http://www.ardour.org/  "Ardour is a digital audio workstation. You can use it to record, edit and mix multi-track audio. Produce your own CD's. Mix video soundtracks. Experiment with new ideas about music and sound. Generate sound installations for 12 speaker gallery shows. Have Fun."
[09:19] <benkong2> ofh
[09:19] <Gentix> Pupeno: Yes! Nice sequencing but no wave editing
[09:20] <lunitik> zorglu1: its really brilliant, people that are actually intelligent are shunned by the Ubuntu community because we understand that telling people what to do doesn't help them at all...
[09:20] <zorglu1> lunitik: my issue is not about you helping people. but how you push your opinion to other :)
[09:20] <Pupeno> Gentix: ok, whatever, you miss it.
[09:20] <Gentix> Pupeno: I need pro editing not amature sequencing
[09:20] <lunitik> zorglu1: where did I do that? other than in relation to you doing something that was pointless?
[09:21] <Pupeno> Gentix: it doesn't exist, the pros I know don't do editing, they are so brave that they only do sequencing.
[09:21] <lunitik> zorglu1: and for your information, you were helping him with somethng that he DID NOT want to do!!!!
[09:21] <Pupeno> sensei: I somehow think that coping that won't fix my audio.
[09:21] <zorglu1> lunitik: please do reinstall your debian as possbile :)
[09:21] <Gentix> Pupeno: ahuh, so how about a real wav editor then????
[09:22] <Cntryboy> Anyone know of a simple image editor, not a paint program, just an image editor for kubuntu like gnomes image editor in ubuntu.
[09:22] <Pupeno> Gentix: it doesn't exist, there's no such a thing.
[09:22] <zorglu1> lunitik: ubuntu is a culture. it is about helping peopl.
[09:22] <sebast> wow two hours or so later and I can save into /var/www thanks a lot sensei :)  it's silly things like this that frustrate me about Linux.  I mean it didn't take much at all to do what I wanted to do. ,but was there a page that made it clear what I needed to do?  fuck no.  did someone just tell me here uhmmmm no.  ,but eventually.
[09:22] <lunitik> zorglu1: Have you ever set up a LAMP server? I'm sure you haven't
[09:22] <Gentix> Pupeno: wow! Then soundforge doesn't exist...........
[09:22] <sebast> oh well silly things and the frustration of learning.  is all part of the game called Linux,  but most WIndows users simply don't have the patience or time.  something for you lot to think about
[09:22] <Gentix> Pupeno: no offence.. you know audacity?
[09:22] <lunitik> zorglu1: because if you had, you wouldn't have been telling him to change permissions on /var/www
[09:23] <Pupeno> Gentix: soundfore is not a wave editor, it is sequencer, you can't edit with a sequencer.
[09:23] <Pupeno> Gentix: yes.
[09:23] <federico_> hi
[09:23] <Gentix> Pupeno: i need a app like audacity but It may not suck as audacity
[09:23] <sebast> lunitik:  and why not?  and I expect it dosan't realy matter.  since it's just for learning PHP that it will be used for.  not as a real web server
[09:23] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour.
[09:24] <lunitik> zorglu1: so in effect, I guess Ubuntu is about breaking peoples systems because no one in the community reads the web or man pages... cool
[09:24] <sensei> sebast: Actually, you could just have right clicked the icon in konqueror and chosen the 'Permissions' tab.. But that's not nearly so cool
[09:24] <zorglu1> lunitik: ??? i dont want to fight :) i just want to apply the ubuntu culture of helping people. im find waiting until you reinstall your debian for that :)
[09:24] <Gentix> Pupeno: it must support saving files at a certain bitrate
[09:24] <sensei> And you'd have to start konqueror with kdesu
[09:24] <coma_> help :S how do i run bin files using sudo?
[09:24] <Gentix> Pupeno: ardour is a sequencer!!!!!! AAAAAAAHRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
[09:24] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour. (if you don't want to read the same answer, don't ask me).
[09:24] <sensei> coma_: sudo ./file.bin
[09:24] <basschimp> hi guys
[09:24] <sebast> sensei:  except :D  i'll let my secret out.  I am using Gnome :)  and Konversation for IRC.  so why not in #Ubuntu you may ask?  ,because I got banned for flooding that channel :D
[09:25] <lunitik> sebast: if you change the permissions of /var/www ... the server wouldn't be able to access things correctly... thus wouldn't be functional
[09:25] <Gentix> Pupeno: nevermind. Thanx for the help.. I'll just go commit suicide now............
[09:25] <basschimp> i'm just trying out kde for the first time - can i unbind alt from "take screenshot"? cos i need it for compiz stuff
[09:25] <sensei> sebast: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=change+permissions+directory+linux&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8  Third hit is extremely basic
[09:25] <lunitik> sebast: gatekeeper gave you a link that is what you wanted, except you and zorglu1 ignored him
[09:25] <Pupeno> Gentix: ardour is a digital audio workstation that can record, edit and mix multi-track audio. *I used it* to modify waves.
[09:25] <lunitik> sensei: as I just said, changing permissions would break his system
[09:25] <sebast> well I got Dapper on PC at the moment with LAMP set up.  ,but I will be formatting that one.  and that one I had been using /var/www for my files.  and worked no problems
[09:26] <coma_> thanks mate, its going
[09:26] <sebast> I tryed what Gateskeeper said that page,  but didn't work
[09:26] <sebast> I did the commands,  but didn't work
[09:26] <sensei> lunitik: I have it that way, works well.. just some things that might break
[09:26] <coma_> i love you guys *hugs*
[09:26] <sensei> np
[09:27] <sebast> sensei you have LAMP set up with /var/www for your files?>
[09:27] <sensei> Yeah
[09:27] <sensei> or /var/www/htdocs
[09:27] <lunitik> sensei: ls -l /var/www/htdocs ?
[09:28] <sensei> lunitik: God no ;)
[09:28] <lunitik> sensei: you're supposed to assign a dir in the users home for individual files
[09:28] <sensei> lunitik: I do sys administration for a living, I know very well what one is supposed to do
[09:28] <lunitik> individuals*
[09:28] <sensei> But for my lil' box at home on my adsl modem, I couldn't care less actually
[09:29] <sebast> basschimp:  heh good luck.  and shoudn't really be saying in a KDE channel here,  but I don't like KDE much at all as in it's actsaul graphical user interface and prefer Gnome :)  altough KDE has better apps than Gnome.  Knoversation K3B etc
[09:29] <snake_> hello
[09:29] <lunitik> sebast: KDE's actual interface? you mean widgets?
[09:29] <sebast> I mean the start menu and what not
[09:29] <sebast> or whatever it's callled
[09:29] <sebast> in Linux
[09:30] <sensei> sebast: No problems running kde apps in gnome, although it requires some extra juice from your hardware
[09:30] <lunitik> sebast: http://members.cox.net/lunitik/screenshot.png  <-- if gnome could look like that, I'd use it  :/
[09:30] <sebast> sure,  but works fine for me :)  even on a PC that is I four or so years old or more
[09:30] <Pupeno> sensei: and having a totally broken UI.
[09:30] <kyle_> i have done search and have found nothing really. I have a ntfs partition that i would like to format to ext2. Where can i find a tutorial to do this?
[09:30] <sensei> Not unified isn't the same as broken ;)
[09:30] <lunitik> sebast: note application menu's in top panel, where they belong...
[09:30] <Pupeno> lunitik: nice desktop.
[09:31] <Pupeno> lunitik: is that desktop or app (macos) menubar ?
[09:31] <scott__> lunitik: looks nearly the same as mine :D
[09:31] <lunitik> Pupeno: macos
[09:31] <basschimp> jebus...right click is bound to something irritating, too
[09:31] <basschimp> new question: how do i edit the compiz default bound keys?
[09:31] <basschimp> (in kde)
[09:32] <lunitik> Pupeno: I don't need menu's in apps, god invented toolbars for things I use a lot, everything else should be out the way
[09:32] <Pupeno> kyle_: mkfs.ext2 /dev/hda3 where hda3 is the ntfs partition. That would erase all data in there and create an empty partition. Why would you want to use ext2 ?
[09:32] <sensei> Pupeno: Adrenaline rushes?
[09:32] <sensei> :)
[09:32] <gatekeeper> lunitik: I thought Xerox invented toolbars :-)
[09:32] <Pupeno> lunitik: I agree, the desktop I have in my mind (document centric, similar to the Apple Lisa) doesn't even have the toolbars inside (well, apps are just document).
[09:33] <Pupeno> gatekeeper: hehehe.
[09:33] <kyle_> Pupeno:  it can be ext3 or whatever - just need to be able to be writable and readable - currently the ntfs partition is read-only
[09:33] <sebast> stupid sensitive lap top mouses
[09:33] <sebast> made me close Konversation by mistake
[09:33] <kyle_> Pupeno: what would the correct format be? I am new to Linux
[09:33] <sensei> I'm having a fight with mine too
[09:33] <Pupeno> kyle_: then mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.reiserfs (for reiserfs, which I prefeer, but that's a personal opinion).
[09:33] <snake_> can anyone help me get my usb headset working in Skype?
[09:34] <sebast> ok so I lost everything that was said here.  unless Konversation is saving a log of it not sure if it is
[09:34] <sensei> It refuses to respect my Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "False" setting
[09:34] <Pupeno> kyle_: I'd use reiserfs, other people would use ext3. A minority would choose others. Those two are safe bets I'd say.
[09:34] <kyle_> Pupeno: is there a list that describes the benefeits or differences between the different formats?
[09:34] <sensei> sebast: chmod a+w fileordir
[09:34] <Pupeno> sebast: ~/.share/apps/konversation/logs/
[09:34] <sebast> yes I still got that command
[09:35] <sebast> home/share/apps/konversation/logs??????
[09:35] <sensei> a = all, could be replaced by u or g wher e user is the owner of the file and group is a member of the group that the file belongs to. r = read, w = write and x = eXecute
[09:35] <Pupeno> kyle_: probably many, but the comparition reiserfs vs ext3 is like comparing distros, it can easily turn into a flamewar.
[09:35] <sensei> sebast: It's ~/.kde/share....
[09:36] <Pupeno> sorry.
[09:36] <Pupeno> sebast: ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs   ~ is your home.
[09:36] <kyle_> Pupeno: Thanks for the info
[09:36] <Pupeno> kyle_: actually, I choose reiserfs because of an interview to the creator, where he explained how they code and they keep a very tidy environment.
[09:36] <federico_> is there anybody that can help me on configuring a tvtuner (bt878) on dapper?
[09:36] <sebast> except I guess it's not :D  since I am using Gnome
[09:37] <snake_> can anyone help me get my usb headset working in skype? it seems i'm not the only one with the problem after looking around on various forums.
[09:37] <sensei> Pupeno: So the coding environment is more important than the result? :)
[09:37] <Pupeno> sebast: if you are using konversation, it is that one. if you are using another client, then I don't know.
[09:37] <sensei> snake_: You could try #alsa
[09:38] <sensei> It's probably not a kubuntu specific thing
[09:38] <snake_> k, thx
[09:38] <sebast> I have got it :)
[09:38] <sebast> the folder now
[09:38] <Pupeno> sensei: if the results are equal (that is, from my perspective, I don't see a different between ext3 and reiserfs because I don't have any experience with they dieing or anything like that) and the development of one of them is done in a good environment
[09:38] <sensei> Linux has dirs.. Windows and MacOS has folders ;)
[09:38] <snake_> seems to be kubuntu and fc that have the prob. I used to have suse installed and never had a problem
[09:38] <Pupeno> sensei: then, the environment decides.
[09:39] <sensei> Pupeno: Fair enough
[09:39] <federico_> no one?
[09:39] <Pupeno> sensei: by environment I mean, they do unit testing, regression testing, no new features in stable releases (like KDE, unlike Linux and ext3 *sigh*).
[09:39] <uuuubsd> opera sux
[09:39] <sensei> federico_: Try #mythv
[09:39] <sebast> or do I just got for normal Ubuntu/Kubuntu CD
[09:39] <sebast> and install LAMP
[09:39] <federico_> thanks sensei :)
[09:39] <Pupeno> sensei: it is just that reiserfs devs gave me something to trust them.
[09:40] <federico_> no one there...
[09:40] <sensei> Oh, #mythtv
[09:40] <sebast> sensei:  Do you run LAMP on a comp 24 hours a day?  or what do you use LAMP for?
[09:40] <sebast> what do you use LAMP for
[09:40] <sebast> even
[09:40] <federico_> ups
[09:41] <federico_> that seems to make more sense, yeah xD
[09:41] <sensei> sebast: Yeah, I do.. And I use it for whenver I need to work at home *shrug*
[09:41] <sebast> and you know PHP and??????
[09:41] <federico_> lot of people there, thks
[09:41] <sebast> yes loads of people here
[09:41] <sensei> sebast: I know a thing or two about Php and Mysql, yeah
[09:41] <sensei> At least that's what my paycheck says :)
[09:42] <sebast> what do you use it for then?  to host files or?
[09:42] <sebast> oh you got a job
[09:42] <sebast> doing PHP and MySQL nice
[09:42] <sensei> Yeah
[09:42] <ubuntu_> hello everyone
[09:42] <sensei> Not so much doing as hosting actually.. When there's a lot to do I can jump in with the coders from time to time, so some dirty work
[09:42] <sebast> ok
[09:43] <Pupeno> my sound was working a couple of days ago and now it isn't. Amarok and alsa player seem to play, but nothing can be heard, aplay gives the error "aplay: main:544: audio open error: Invalid argument". Any ideas ?
[09:43] <kyle_> Pupeno: this is curerently in my fstab  ---   /dev/hda2 /dev/hda2 ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0
[09:43] <sebast> yeah well  I know HTML, XHTML, CSS.  and I want to get paid doing websites so.  I thought well I need to know PHP and MySQL then I guess
[09:43] <sensei> sebast: Yeah, that's usually a prerequisite
[09:43] <Pupeno> !fstab
[09:43] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[09:43] <kyle_> Pupeno: what do i change the "ntfs" to if i just formated that drive to reiserfs
[09:44] <sebast> what about ASP  sensei know that>
[09:44] <sebast> ?
[09:44] <sensei> Eh, I can umount and drive I want and it still shows up in fstab.. that help text lies! *naughty*
[09:44] <Pupeno> kyle_: reiserfs, but you have to get rid of nls,umask and all that.
[09:44] <h0e> ne 1 noe any good runescape channels
[09:44] <sensei> sebast: Nops, we don't do much ASP, and the windows servers are ran by my work 'mate' *refuse to call a windows admin my mate*
[09:44] <sebast> !beingahuman
[09:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about beingahuman
[09:44] <Pupeno> kyle_: this mounts my home: /dev/sda3       /home           reiserfs        defaults        0       2
[09:45] <Pupeno> kyle_: read what ubotu says
[09:45] <Pupeno> !fstab
[09:45] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[09:45] <h0e> !runescape
[09:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about runescape
[09:45] <sebast> yeah they say ASP sucks
[09:45] <kyle_> Pupeno: thanks
[09:45] <sebast> !havingcybersex
[09:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about havingcybersex
[09:45] <sensei> sebast: So is the current word, yes :) I have no personal experience with it so I can damn it myself though
[09:46] <Pupeno> kyle_: you are welcome.
[09:46] <sebast> you are from?
[09:46] <sebast> !Windows
[09:46] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[09:46] <sensei> sebast: Me?
[09:46] <sebast> yes
[09:46] <sensei> I'm from Sweden, currently living in the UK
[09:47] <sebast> to lazy to mess around putting the Swedish letters on, but.  jag kan svenska :)
[09:47] <sebast> jag va fod det
[09:47] <sebast> min mamma ar svensk
[09:47] <sensei> sebast: Coolt. Hlsa mamma s mycket frn mig ;)
[09:48] <sebast> vad I England bor du
[09:48] <sensei> Let's stick to English for the sake of the peace here.. In Brighton
[09:48] <sensei> Possibly moving to Tunbridge wells sometime next week
[09:48] <DaSkreech> `Norwegian?
[09:48] <sebast> Swedish
[09:50] <sensei> sebast: Where do you live, and where were your mother born?
[09:50] <sebast> near BRi
[09:50] <sebast> Bristol
[09:50] <sensei> And she's "svenskA", unless she's a male ;)
[09:50] <sebast> and she was born again not bothering with the lettter. Norrchopping
[09:50] <sensei> Mmm Bristol Cream <3
[09:51] <sebast> anyone else from my area here?
[09:51] <sensei> sebast: Hah, so cool.. I'm born in Norrkping too :)
[09:51] <sebast> how old are you?
[09:51] <sensei> 23
[09:51] <sensei> Her name's not Ann by any chance?
[09:51] <sebast> nope
[09:51] <sebast> Anita yes
[09:52] <sensei> Still cool :)
[09:52] <sebast> always interesting to stay in touch with people that have same interests so on.  so got MSN messenger or something?
[09:53] <sensei> God no :)
[09:53] <sebast> ICQ?  Google Talk?
[09:53] <sensei> No IM's what so ever, pure annoyance imho :)
[09:53] <sebast> well they can be useful
[09:53] <sebast> depending on who the person is
[09:53] <sebast> that is being talked to
[09:53] <sebast> can get tech help on them for example :)
[09:54] <sensei> All my friends who has them has a hassle staying away from the people they really don't want to talk to anymore :)
[09:54] <sensei> Like "I can't log off now, then he'll see that I was online even though I didn't answer him"
[09:54] <sebast> yeah I got some stupid people on mine
[09:54] <sebast> ,but I also got people that are rather clever at computers well three of them :)
[09:54] <sebast> two from my old school
[09:55] <sebast> and the other guy I actsaully meet him in the Ubuntu channel turned out he used to live near me.  etc
[09:55] <federico_> bye
[09:55] <sensei> Heh cool
[09:55] <DaSkreech> sensei: Then don't allow anyone to add you to their list :)
[09:55] <swhalen> hello, im realy in need for help with dapper
[09:55] <DaSkreech> You'll be invisible :)
[09:56] <DaSkreech> swhalen: Good thing you came here them :-)
[09:56] <sebast> swhalen you a girl?
[09:56] <sensei> The world is small, I was at an interview for a job once.. and i said in #delphi "I'm off to an interview now", then it turned out that a guy in there was the one interviewing me :)
[09:56] <ghostyness> hello
[09:56] <swhalen> no
[09:56] <sensei> DaSkreech: Doesn't that null and void the whole idea of an IM program? :)
[09:56] <sebast> I thought maybe something about the name
[09:56] <sebast> what's your problem?
[09:56] <sebast> with Dapper
[09:57] <swhalen> no sound after upgrading to dapper
[09:57] <ghostyness> i'm using a live cd of kubuntu 6.06 and i cant find where to change the refresh rate of the monitor
[09:57] <sebast> well I got annoying people from spannish speaking countires adding me randomly
[09:57] <sebast> and stuff
[09:57] <sebast> and loads of spam
[09:57] <ghostyness> its killing my eyes
[09:57] <sebast> since it's not just any email address
[09:57] <sebast> special one
[09:57] <sensei> spammesenseless@hotmail.com ?
[09:57] <sebast> one I could possibily sell on Ebay :d ,but I don't want to do that
[09:57] <sebast> one that geeks here might of wanted :D
[09:58] <sensei> What is it ?
[09:58] <sebast> well I got loads of spam anyway so on.  so ok.  mozillafirefox@hotmai.com  :)
[09:58] <swhalen> pcmcia fails
[09:58] <sebast> mozillafirefox@hotmail.com
[09:58] <sensei> If it was under some other domain, maybe :)
[09:59] <sebast> feel free to email me sensei :)  and then I can tell you what my other address is
[09:59] <swhalen> any ideas?
[09:59] <sebast> that I actsaully use for emails a gmail.com one and with Thunderbird
[09:59] <snake_> try krandrtray
[09:59] <apokryphos> sebast; sensei: please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general discussion
[10:00] <sebast> swhalen
[10:00] <sebast> we got the same problem
[10:00] <snake_> that's how i got my refresh rate set
[10:00] <sebast> so you boot up
[10:00] <ghostyness> anyone willing ot help?
[10:00] <sebast> and it says pcmcia services failed
[10:00] <DaSkreech> sensei: No the messages are still instant :)
[10:00] <sebast> right?
[10:00] <snake_> ghostyness: krandrtray
[10:00] <ghostyness> i'll try, it used to be in the configure desktop
[10:00] <sensei> DaSkreech: Hehe okay, but could other people initiate chats with me then?
[10:01] <sebast> I should be more clear that's one of my problems on PC.  Dapper that I will be formatting.  after it scrwed up and I fixed.  after upgrading from Breezy to Dapper
[10:01] <snake_> found that on the linuxforums a few days ago when i installed kubuntu for the first time
[10:01] <DaSkreech> sensei: Sort of. They could request one which you could then ignore
[10:01] <sensei> DaSkreech: Without them knowing I ignored it ?
[10:01] <DaSkreech> sensei: Right
[10:02] <sebast> I joined that channel sensei if you want to chat there
[10:02] <sensei> Hm'kay :) Sounds like an idea. But if I've managed 23 years without IM's, I'm sure I can do 23 more :)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> swhalen: Sorry I missed that what's the problem
[10:02] <sensei> Which channel?
[10:02] <sebast> pcmcia fails
[10:02] <sebast>   #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:02] <swhalen> no sound
[10:03] <swhalen> after i upgraged to dapper
[10:03] <snake_> well no-one at alsa seems to know how to fix my prob with skype
[10:03] <apokryphos> !sound
[10:03] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:03] <ghostyness> my eyes aren't bleeding anymore!
[10:04] <snake_> :-)
[10:04] <ghostyness> i hate 60hz
[10:04] <DaSkreech> ghostyness: That's cause you are a ghost. Sorry to say
[10:04] <malin> is there a possibility to use local computer as repository storage?
[10:04] <snake_> by default i was at 1600x1200@65Hz, yuk
[10:04] <malin> my flatmate did a major upgrade and has all the packets on his computer
[10:04] <DaSkreech> malin: I think that's 60% of their purpose :)
[10:04] <malin> i would't have even connect to the internet
[10:05] <ghostyness> yeah, default is always the largest screen resolution
[10:05] <ghostyness> some times i cant eve stand 70 hz
[10:05] <snake_> on a 17" CRT monitor
[10:05] <ghostyness> lol
[10:05] <malin> DaSkreech: any clue how to set a computer to be a repository storage?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> malin: Ahhh Ok I get you now :)
[10:06] <sensei> malin: rsync one and add it to sources.list ? *being total noob on ubuntu*
[10:06] <DaSkreech> malin: Give me a second :)
[10:07] <snake_> well it seems i'm going back to suse since this skype sound problem is persisting
[10:07] <swhalen> i know this sound stupid...i'm new. how do i switch to alsa in kubuntu
[10:07] <snake_> :(
[10:08] <snake_> swhalen: K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound & Multimedia
[10:09] <uuuubsd> kde rocks
[10:09] <snake_> it's a shame, Kubuntu is perfect in pretty much everything except skype, which I use on a daily basis
[10:09] <ghostyness> lol
[10:11] <snake_> cheers all
[10:11] <DaSkreech> does kaffiene have an always on top mode?
[10:12] <apokryphos> DaSkreech: any kde app can be "always on top"
[10:12] <apokryphos> click on the icon in the top-left, or hit alt+f3
[10:13] <DaSkreech> apokryphos: Of course.. Duh!!
[10:13] <apokryphos> =)
[10:13] <coachJ> can someone read about amarak here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[10:14] <coachJ> and tell me if its ok
[10:14] <coachJ> to just add the repo and get it via adept
[10:14] <swhalen> !sound
[10:14] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:14] <apokryphos> coachJ: yes, it is. Make sure you follow the instructions for adding the gpg key though
[10:14] <coachJ> what is that
[10:15] <apokryphos> coachJ: it has instructions on that page
[10:15] <apokryphos> coachJ: ....this is presuming you're on dapper, of course.
[10:15] <coachJ> yes but what is a key
[10:16] <DaSkreech> malin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20217
[10:16] <apokryphos> coachJ: it's the author's signature. Before the repository can be added, apt has to know that you trust it. Adding the key tells apt that.
[10:16] <DaSkreech> malin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20217
[10:16] <DaSkreech> malin: http://wiki.africasource2.tacticaltech.org/post/main/02kq1ct2pXNBBsXY
[10:16] <coachJ> ok thks
[10:17] <flo> i want to record a desktop sesion with cinelerra, i just want to know , the desktop is /dev/???
[10:18] <malin> thanks, DaSkreech
[10:18] <malin> i found it a minute ago
[10:18] <malin> :-)
[10:18] <DaSkreech> malin: Sure no problem :)
[10:19] <malin> i also found that: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42862
[10:19] <DaSkreech> malin: Google is your friend :-)
[10:19] <malin> DaSkreech: indeed :-)
[10:19] <coachJ> apokryphos> ok I did the key "thing" and got the message, now can I open Adept and add the repo?
[10:19] <apokryphos> coachJ: that's right
[10:19] <coachJ> thks
[10:20] <DaSkreech> malin: If you would like You can wiki it
[10:21] <swhalen> how do i clear my kde sessions?
[10:21] <malin> DaSkreech: i'll do it if i succeed :-)
[10:22] <DaSkreech> malin: Ok :-)
[10:22] <DaSkreech> malin: I take it you have a network at home?
[10:22] <malin> two computers connected together
[10:23] <malin> directly, with a cable
[10:26] <basalt> hi
[10:26] <apokryphos> hello
[10:29] <Cntryboy> I just installed gwenrename, does anyone know how to start this?
[10:30] <Cntryboy> anyone?
[10:31] <Howitzer> I'm trying to install the blended0.3 dekorator theme but it complains it can't find appropriate KDE headers?
[10:31] <Howitzer> (configure complains about this)
[10:31] <orda> I hava a problem with my laptop's brightness, fn+Fx (F7/F8) doesn't adjust the brightness
[10:31] <jo_> hello the jabber client named PSI isnt in dapper?
[10:32] <Howitzer> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[10:32] <Howitzer> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[10:32] <orda> it's works before kubuntu starts
[10:32] <crimsun> !info psi
[10:32] <ubotu> psi: Jabber client using Qt. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.10-2ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2060 kB, installed size 5532 kB
[10:32] <crimsun> !info psi-translations
[10:32] <ubotu> psi-translations: Translations for psi. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.8 (dapper), package size 424 kB, installed size 1484 kB
[10:32] <crimsun> read, jo_
[10:32] <jo_> so i need to update my sources list?
[10:33] <crimsun> most certainly
[10:33] <jo_> sorry dont know the line
[10:33] <jo_> what have i to add?
[10:34] <Cntryboy> how can I get gwenrename to start??????????????????
[10:34] <jo_> ah ok i already found
[10:37] <jo_> !info xawtv
[10:37] <ubotu> xawtv: X11 TV application. In repository universe, is extra. Version 3.94-1.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 219 kB, installed size 712 kB
[10:43] <johannes> ?
[10:46] <malin> DaSkreech: u still here?
[10:46] <DaSkreech> No
[10:46] <malin> can you paste a link i pasted a while ago?
[10:46] <malin> the one about repositories
[10:46] <DaSkreech> You have a log :)
[10:47] <malin> indeed
[10:47] <malin> sorry for bothering :-)
[10:48] <jeff_> im having trouble running ark in sudo
[10:48] <jeff_> err as sudo
[10:48] <jeff_> any help would be appreciated ty
[10:49] <apokryphos> jeff_: why would you want to?
[10:52] <nico8481> anyone knows of a LAME (mp3 encoder) channel ?
[10:52] <nico8481> i'm having troubles compiling it on OSX :-/
[10:55] <Alextremo> viva PAPASHANTY SOUND SYSTEM... !!!! Chao mis panas... Nos leemos el Lunes....5 4 3 2 1 0
[10:56] <jeff_> apokryphos: to untar into src folder
[10:56] <jeff_> for mythTV
[10:56] <apokryphos> jeff_: /msg ubotu kdesu
[10:56] <apokryphos> jeff_: though I recommend untarring into a normal location, then moving it
[10:57] <Howitzer> I'm having these compiling issues
[10:57] <Howitzer> i can't do 'make' on anything
[10:58] <Howitzer> while i've installed make, build-essentials
[10:58] <jeff_> ahh
[10:58] <jeff_> ok
[10:58] <jeff_> ty
[10:59] <pieter> hi
[10:59] <pieter> is there a dutch kubuntu channel?
[10:59] <slow-motion> re
[11:01] <ubuntu_> hmm.
[11:01] <DaSkreech> !nl
[11:01] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[11:01] <pieter> k
[11:01] <ubuntu_> how do i maximize a winddow?
[11:01] <RawSewage> ...
[11:01] <pieter> kan ik onversation trouwens in de tray laten starten?
[11:02] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: ?
[11:02] <RawSewage> isnt that question a bit too easy
[11:02] <apokryphos> Howitzer: ......what are they? Have you read the FAQ before trying to compile?
[11:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Press the Maximize button?
[11:02] <ubuntu_> or raather, how do I use my keyboard to control the cursor?
[11:03] <RawSewage> I dont know
[11:03] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You mean maximize with the Keyboard?
[11:03] <RawSewage> yeah
[11:03] <RawSewage> check the Mouse section
[11:03] <RawSewage> the last tab
[11:03] <ubuntu_> ?
[11:03] <ubuntu_> last tab of what?
[11:03] <RawSewage> of Mouse
[11:03] <DaSkreech> try Alt+F3
[11:03] <RawSewage> Mouse Navigation
[11:04] <RawSewage> you can move the pointer with the numpad
[11:04] <ubuntu_> um, seems like "system settings" opens up a dialog
[11:04] <SimAtWork> kubuntu install is just making the screen go black
[11:04] <RawSewage> Peripherals
[11:04] <RawSewage> Mouse
[11:04] <SimAtWork> well startup/install
[11:04] <SimAtWork> any ideas?
[11:04] <ubuntu_> with CLICKABLE only icons
[11:04] <RawSewage> lol
[11:05] <RawSewage> can you tab through them
[11:05] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: yea
[11:06] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: what do i do?
[11:06] <RawSewage> did you find Mouse
[11:06] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: i see it
[11:06] <RawSewage> its the last tab
[11:06] <RawSewage> Mouse Navigation
[11:06] <ubuntu_> no
[11:06] <ubuntu_> ...
[11:06] <RawSewage> in the Mouse thing
[11:06] <ubuntu_> i mean
[11:06] <ubuntu_> i cant press enter on The mouse icon
[11:06] <RawSewage> um
[11:06] <RawSewage> Tab?
[11:06] <RawSewage> like you did to get to Peripherals?
[11:07] <ubuntu_> .............
[11:07] <ubuntu_> I'M NOT THERE AT ALL
[11:07] <RawSewage> where are you
[11:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Alt+F3
[11:07] <ubuntu_> I AM IN SYSTEM SETTINGS
[11:07] <apokryphos> ubuntu_: drop the caps.
[11:07] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: i had another question
[11:07] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: You can't navigate without mouse :)
[11:07] <ubuntu_> DaSkreech: alt+f3 solves the maximize question
[11:07] <RawSewage> yes you can
[11:07] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Use kcontrol
[11:08] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Dood No you can't
[11:08] <RawSewage> the Mouse menu lets you control the cursor with the number pad
[11:08] <ubuntu_> yes you can DaSkreech
[11:08] <ubuntu_> i have done it in Gnome
[11:08] <RawSewage> Im doing it now
[11:08] <RawSewage> moving the mouse with numpad
[11:09] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: You selected an item in System Settings, Pressed Enter and got into the settings area?
[11:09] <RawSewage> no
[11:09] <RawSewage> maybe he'll have to change a config file
[11:09] <ubuntu_> K menu > run command;  kcontrol
[11:09] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: no, i didnt have to
[11:09] <RawSewage> TAB
[11:09] <ubuntu_> i went to perhiperals / mouse in kcontrol
[11:10] <RawSewage> then once you get a outline, use the arrow key to go down
[11:10] <RawSewage> ok good
[11:10] <RawSewage> Alt+M
[11:10] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: erm, n i am very capable
[11:10] <ubuntu_> i already did ittt just now
[11:10] <RawSewage> hm
[11:10] <RawSewage> are you able to check the box
[11:10] <ubuntu_> yes...
[11:11] <ubuntu_> i am
[11:11] <RawSewage> ok cool
[11:11] <pierre_> I've a question
[11:11] <ubuntu_> i said "i already did it", FYI
[11:11] <RawSewage> how did you check it
[11:11] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Right. How do you Highlight LoginManager and enter it?
[11:11] <ubuntu_> RawSewage: tab, space
[11:11] <RawSewage> I dont know
[11:11] <pierre_> Wolfenstein ET is free, isn't it ?
[11:11] <RawSewage> he did it
[11:11] <RawSewage> ok
[11:11] <DaSkreech> :-) Kcontrol works
[11:12] <pierre_> but i can't find him for Kubuntu on web
[11:12] <ubuntu_> i'm hooked :P
[11:12] <RawSewage> cool
[11:12] <ubuntu_> but i want to... um, use hda, as in clear it, to install kubuntu
[11:13] <ubuntu__> hello?
[11:13] <ubuntu__> anyone here?
[11:13] <Snake> hi
[11:13] <ubuntu__> wooo
[11:13] <ubuntu__> lol
[11:13] <ubuntu__> how do i change my name
[11:13] <Snake> people with ubuntu for nicks, use /nick <nicknamehere> to stop being so generic
[11:13] <pierre_> someone knows a link for a .deb wolfenstein ET ??
[11:14] <strauss> is it possible to play games with this live cd?
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: no
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: youll need video drivers and stuff, its not worth it on a live disk
[11:14] <strauss> can i take the disk out at anytime
[11:14] <Kwukki> can i start konversation in the tray?
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: you could, but then you cant load any more programs or save/edit/change ANYTHING
[11:14] <Snake> strauss: aka, the system dies :)
[11:15] <strauss> lol
[11:15] <strauss> oh
[11:15] <strauss> damn
[11:15] <pierre_> nobody for my question ?
[11:15] <strauss> if i use like an 8gb hd
[11:15] <strauss> can i install onto that and write and read from the one with windows
[11:15] <Snake> pierre_: I think the ET installer is universle is it?
[11:16] <pierre_> but i can't find an installer linux for ET
[11:16] <Snake> strauss: youcant only write to NTFS if you do kernal hacks (NOT recommended)
[11:16] <strauss> well
[11:16] <strauss> if i cant write to the harddrive im on
[11:16] <strauss> how the hell is this working
[11:16] <Snake> strauss: It runs in ram and loads off the cd ;)
[11:16] <strauss> ohhhh
[11:17] <strauss> so if i wanna play like a game its gunna be on floppy?
[11:17] <Snake> Huh
[11:17] <strauss> i got old floppys with gba games
[11:17] <strauss> like pokemon
[11:17] <ubiquitous> LOL
[11:17] <Snake> Uh ya youll need a GBA emulator though...
[11:17] <strauss> its on the floppy
[11:17] <Snake> Its prolly a Exe
[11:17] <Snake> EXE doesnt work with linux dude
[11:18] <strauss> :(
[11:18] <ubiquitous> Snake: don't expand it ;)
[11:18] <strauss> okay
[11:18] <strauss> i like this
[11:18] <strauss> a lot
[11:18] <strauss> so
[11:18] <strauss> im formatting my harddrive
[11:18] <ubiquitous> strauss: cut the sarcasm
[11:18] <strauss> :)
[11:19] <Snake> strauss: Go to K Menu --> Add/Remove check both boxes, then where it says "suite" pick "both" or "all" or whatever it says, and search for Gameboy youll find I think 2 emulators
[11:19] <Snake> !info gngb
[11:19] <ubotu> gngb: GameBoy Emulator. In repository universe, is optional. Version 20040115-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 94 kB, installed size 368 kB
[11:19] <Snake> strauss: ^^
[11:19] <Snake> :)
[11:19] <strauss> theres no add remove
[11:19] <Snake> HUH!?
[11:20] <Snake> strauss: Click the K Menu, it should be like, the 4th or 5th up
[11:20] <Snake> pierre_: you still here?
[11:20] <strauss> k
[11:20] <pierre_> tes Snake
[11:20] <strauss> GAH!
[11:20] <pierre_> yes
[11:20] <strauss> see ntohign
[11:21] <Snake> pierre_: http://files.filefront.com/SEARCH/;1850618;;/fileinfo.html perhaps? then build it?
[11:21] <Snake> strauss: that makes zero sense.....
[11:21] <pierre_> thanks
[11:21] <strauss> well its kde...gnome...all
[11:21] <strauss> i click all
[11:21] <strauss> and in search
[11:21] <strauss> i type gameboy
[11:21] <Snake> pierre_: YO
[11:21] <Snake> http://browse.files.filefront.com/Return+to+Castle+Wolfenstein+Enemy+Territory+Official+Demos+Linux/;178627;/browsefiles.html
[11:21] <Snake> :)
[11:22] <Snake> strauss: do you have the 2 boxes check (unsupported and propriety I think it is?)
[11:22] <strauss> yes
[11:22] <Snake> me wishs he had KDE at times like this
[11:22] <strauss> unsupported
[11:22] <strauss> and proprietary
[11:23] <Snake> Wtf.
[11:23] <pierre_> thanks snake
[11:23] <Snake> pierre_: np
[11:23] <ubiquitous> add/remove programs...
[11:24] <gatekeeper> what pacakge are you trying to install?
[11:24] <pierre_> fiou big file !
[11:25] <Snake> !info gngb
[11:25] <ubotu> gngb: GameBoy Emulator. In repository universe, is optional. Version 20040115-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 94 kB, installed size 368 kB
[11:25] <Snake> gatekeeper: ^^
[11:25] <gatekeeper> what package even ooops
[11:26] <gatekeeper> apt-get install gngb
[11:26] <Snake> gatekeeper: Walk him through enabling the universe then.
[11:26] <Snake> gatekeeper: im trying to avoid that atm
[11:26] <strauss> please
[11:27] <strauss> how do i play games that i got using applications
[11:27] <strauss> in adept instaler
[11:27] <Snake> strauss: its in your kmenu
[11:27] <gatekeeper> strauss: do you understand these instructions? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:27] <Snake> Damn it! thats the link I Was looking for
[11:28] <strauss> what am i looking at
[11:29] <gatekeeper> Snake: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper and have a little look at my small home page: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/home
[11:29] <Snake> gatekeeper: your missing a wiki link..
[11:30] <gatekeeper> strauss: you are going to change your repositories so you access to ALL the packages you need including this emulator
[11:30] <strauss> omg
[11:30] <strauss> wtf
[11:30] <strauss> yall can give up on me with this at any time
[11:30] <strauss> okay
[11:30] <strauss> so
[11:30] <Blissex> strauss: less newlines please.
[11:31] <gatekeeper> strauss: open up a terminal
[11:31] <strauss> whats a terminal
[11:31] <strauss> this is my first time ever using linux
[11:31] <strauss> and i mean my first time ever even seeing it
[11:31] <ubiquitous> strauss: a wway to send commands to the computer
[11:31] <gatekeeper> strauss: have you used windows & dos?
[11:31] <strauss> yes
[11:32] <strauss> how do i get to that
[11:32] <strauss> same way?
[11:32] <strauss> cmd
[11:32] <ubiquitous> strauss: the terminal is powerful and "easy" to use
[11:32] <gatekeeper> strauss: terminal is the equivalent of a dos window only much better and more powerfull
[11:32] <strauss> how do i run it
[11:32] <NotWired> does anyone here know how well kubuntu runs on a dell inspiron 9400?
[11:32] <xxx> ahoj vichni asi tu nen nikdo z eska?
[11:32] <ubiquitous> strauss: it is composed of a shell and commands. a shell lets you run those commands
[11:33] <strauss> where do i open this
[11:33] <gatekeeper> strauss: k -> System -> konsole
[11:33] <ubiquitous> strauss: k menu > system >  konsole (terminal program)
[11:33] <strauss> im ni
[11:33] <strauss> in
[11:33] <strauss> before we get any further
[11:33] <strauss> does it matter that im on a live cd
[11:33] <gatekeeper> yes
[11:34] <ubiquitous> strauss: um, yes
[11:34] <strauss> so this is pointlesS?
[11:34] <ubiquitous> strauss: you should install kubuntu before proceeding
[11:34] <gatekeeper> strauss: you taking the piss out of me :-)
[11:34] <strauss> wont install
[11:34] <ubiquitous> strauss: how wont it
[11:34] <gatekeeper> no shit :-)
[11:34] <strauss> wont partition the harddrive
[11:34] <strauss> windows is already on it
[11:35] <ubiquitous> strauss: hmmm. why not try a dual boot?
[11:35] <strauss> thats what i wanna do
[11:35] <strauss> let me tell you waht it says
[11:35] <strauss> im gunna run the install for the 90th time
[11:35] <ubiquitous> lol
[11:35] <OOD> you should defrag the drive before partitioning it
[11:35] <ubiquitous> 90th time
[11:35] <ubiquitous> you mmust be teasing
[11:35] <gatekeeper> strauss: you need to use a partition tool like Gparted to shrink your NTFS partition if you want to install it on your HDD, presume you want to dual boot?
[11:35] <strauss> 12t time more like
[11:36] <ubiquitous> gatekeeper: qtparted
[11:36] <strauss> i want to dual boot...it shouldnt be partitioned already
[11:36] <gatekeeper> yes OK
[11:36] <strauss> and i defragged like earlier this week
[11:36] <ubiquitous> strauss: what windows do u have
[11:36] <strauss> xp pro
[11:36] <cps1966> gimp stll has problem
[11:36] <strauss> but i cant get in xp now
[11:36] <ubiquitous> strauss: do u know if u have fat32 or xp pro
[11:36] <ubiquitous> er
[11:36] <ubiquitous> ntfs
[11:36] <strauss> i hve xp pro
[11:36] <Pupeno> !ati
[11:36] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:36] <ubiquitous> strauss: i ttypoed
[11:37] <ubiquitous> strauss: do u know if u have fat32 or ntfs?
[11:37] <strauss> ntfs
[11:37] <ubiquitous> strauss: open qtparted up, & use it
[11:37] <gatekeeper> Snake: which one?
[11:37] <ubiquitous> strauss:
[11:38] <strauss> its open
[11:38] <strauss> now what do i do
[11:38] <strauss> :(
[11:38] <word> how do you change the icon image for .desktops?
[11:38] <ubiquitous> strauss: resize your ntfs partition. i dont use windows, so i cant help u thru the resize, but i  can tell you how to resize
[11:39] <ubiquitous> strauss: h/o
[11:39] <strauss> can you send me a private message
[11:39] <ubiquitous> strauss: no, here is better
[11:39] <strauss> heres what i get
[11:39] <ubiquitous> strauss: find the drive you want to resize in qtparted
[11:39] <strauss> the ntfs volume has at least 2 bad sectors
[11:40] <ubiquitous> strauss: ignore that error, its irrevelant to you.
[11:40] <ubiquitous> strauss: there? find the drive, please
[11:40] <strauss> yeah
[11:40] <strauss> i did
[11:40] <strauss> it has a windows symbol on it
[11:40] <ubiquitous> strauss:  *looks in context menu*
[11:41] <gatekeeper> Snake: you still there???
[11:41] <ubiquitous> strauss: right click on the partition, select resize
[11:42] <strauss> i do that
[11:42] <strauss> now what should i size it
[11:42] <ubiquitous> strauss: now... hold onto the diialog window contents. look at the graphics above the list. find the windows partition
[11:43] <strauss> its the green bar i assume
[11:43] <ubiquitous> strauss: how much (LOOK at the graphic for the windows partition) free space (yellow colour means occupied) do you think the partition has?
[11:44] <strauss>  all it is is green with a white middle
[11:44] <danl> I have a question about kxdocker
[11:44] <strauss> it should have about 170gb taken up
[11:44] <strauss> i want this partition to be about 30 gb
[11:44] <strauss> the linux one
[11:45] <LittleMe> hi
[11:45] <danl> i edited the config file in both ~/.kde/share/apps/kxdocker and /usr/share/apps/kxdocker and everytime i load kxdocker it goes back to the default settings
[11:45] <danl> any ideas why
[11:45] <Pupeno> hi LittleMe.
[11:45] <LittleMe> Pupeno: hey
[11:45] <ubiquitous> strauss: okay, so...
[11:45] <strauss> well
[11:45] <strauss> do i resize partition to 230 gigs or to 40 gigs
[11:46] <Pupeno> At least I've got sound... it was the modem, I *hidded* the built-in modem of the notebook and audio stopped working. In the process of finding a solution I destroyed my / particion, thankfully I had a separate /home and fater an hour I am back on-line... listening to music out of the box.
[11:47] <LittleMe> nice
[11:47] <ubiquitous> strauss: I don't know.
[11:47] <strauss> okay
[11:47] <ubiquitous> strauss: i'm not a expert in qt or gparted
[11:47] <strauss> well
[11:47] <strauss> i did the thing
[11:47] <strauss> and it said it had 2 bad sectors
[11:47] <vigilante> !nvidia
[11:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:48] <vigilante> Is that the best way to install nvidia drivers, or is there an additional repository that has debs of the official nvidia drivers?
[11:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i rescan the music library in amarok? i just added new folder but it didnt scan it
[11:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> nevermind
[11:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[11:50] <FisherP> has anyone upgraded to kde3.5.3 ??
[11:50] <crparr> Is there any form of a partner network for ubuntu / kubuntu in irc?
[11:51] <LittleMe> FisherP: yes 3.5.3 works well
[11:51] <FisherP> LittleMe Thanks, nothing broke, you didn't have to 'fix' anything?
[11:51] <NotWired> LittleMe, how can i find out which version of kde i have?
[11:52] <snikker> how can i stop the X server?
[11:52] <FisherP> NotWired, In any KDE program select Help>About KDE
[11:52] <NotWired> thanks FisherP
[11:52] <LittleMe> FisherP: the only thing that happened that I didn't like with 3.5.3 was that the display panel in the "Configure KDesktop" no longer shows.  I can't change desktop resolution there but only from editing xorg.conf
[11:53] <mossman> snikker As root type in a console init 3
[11:53] <LittleMe> NotWired: you can check by opening konqueror and clicking Help then About KDE
[11:53] <NotWired> thanks, found it :-) 3.5.2 is installed
[11:53] <snikker> mossman: ok, thanks
[11:54] <mossman> that should take you to a blank terminal with x not running
[11:54] <mossman> to start x again just type startx
[11:54] <LittleMe> or startkde
[11:54] <mossman> true
[11:54] <snikker> ok.
[11:54] <mossman> if kde is your default WM
[11:55] <snikker> but to the next boot it will start again in graphical mode, true?
[11:55] <FisherP> LittleMe, thanks
[11:55] <mossman> true
[11:56] <snikker> mossman: perfect... thanks again :)  now i try...
[11:56] <snikker> bye
[11:56] <mossman> np
[11:56] <mossman> bye
[11:56] <snikker> :)
[11:57] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any cleartype fronts in ubuntu ? or some good ones i can download to use on a LCD?
[11:57] <vigilante> !msttcorefonts
[11:57] <ubotu> I know nothing about msttcorefonts
[11:59] <mossman> Isn't clear type a Trademark of the MS corporation?
[12:00] <vigilante> VieLGuS-KuTaS: enable multiverse, then install msttcorefonts
[12:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> vigilante: thanks , do u know where to change the fonts , so they are used system wide?
[12:01] <mossman> System Settings, System Admin  Font Installer
[12:02] <vigilante> VieLGuS-KuTaS: system settings>appearence>fonts
[12:03] <vigilante> and to enable what you need to get the msfonts: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6244.0
[12:03] <stupendo44> I'm trying to set up a modem on Kubuntu Dapper. I followed all the information until now, including getting the driver to load. When I try to use KPPP to query the modem, the computer freezes, never to recover. Any ideas or further questions?
[12:03] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> vigilante: thanks a lot
[12:03] <mossman> stupendo:  Is there a log file from kppp
[12:04] <stupendo44> nope
[12:04] <mossman> what type of modem.  winmodem?
[12:04] <gatekeeper> guessing IRQ conflict?
[12:05] <stupendo44> lucent winmodem
[12:05] <stupendo44> I tested the modem in Windows to make sure, and it works there
[12:06] <Pupeno> !ati
[12:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:08] <erov> anyone else here use the intel (like i830) shared memory drivers (such is in an hp laptop) i can only get 640x480 for some reason