[12:07] <ogra> mdz, ltsp-login-and-session-handling updated
[12:07] <ajmitch> morning
[12:09] <pitti> hi ajmitch 
[12:09] <pitti> good night everyone!
[12:12] <pygi> night
[12:13] <zul> hey
[12:15] <sivang> mdz: I'd like to sign off for today, add your comments inline again, I will address them when I get up tomorrow, and we can discuss again SCUT (system clean up tool) tomorrow when you're online?
[12:15] <ajmitch> mdz: I've cleaned up that network-authentication spec 
[12:24] <mdz> sivang: Keybuk should review it since you were attempting to address his comments.  I will look at it when it is pending approval
[12:26] <Kamion> mdz: I approved app-install-data-commercial 3 earlier, which included support for dapper-commercial which was apparently the relevant bit
[12:26] <mdz> Kamion: it adds a repository file for it, but it doesn't actually exist in the archive yet
[12:27] <mdz> so as far as I can tell it's broken
[12:27] <mdz> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[12:28] <Kamion> oh, opera's not there, true
[12:30] <mdz> Kamion: I have no idea how things are supposed to get from drescher to wherever that is
[12:32] <Kamion> upload.canonical.com != upload.ubuntu.com
[12:32] <Kamion> AFAIK it doesn't go near drescher
[12:33] <mdz> where does it go?
[12:33] <Kamion> wherever 82.211.81.142 is
[12:33] <Kamion> jackass is 82.211.81.140, although that was my first guess
[12:33] <Kamion> I believe it's a katie instance elmo set up - at least that was the plan
[12:35] <mdz> Kamion: I'm sure it's sitting in a new package queue somewhere
[12:35] <mdz> .142 seems to be rockhopper
[12:36] <mdz> where I don't have an account
[12:36] <Kamion> nor I
[12:36] <Kamion> elmo: help
[12:42] <Kamion> [Updating]  libast (0.6-0pre2003010606.1ubuntu4 [Ubuntu]  < 0.7-1 [Debian] )
[12:42] <Kamion> yay for version number reduction
[01:30] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:32] <ajmitch> hello jsgotangco 
[01:38] <Burgwork> hey jsgotangco, ajmitch 
[01:38] <Burgwork> is it my imagination, or is there no central place for development of cups drivers? we appear to have foomatic, guten-print, hplip, etc
[01:40] <jsgotangco> we're one big happy decentralised family
[01:40] <Burgwork> lovely ;)
[01:40] <Whoopie> Hi, I'm a little bit confused. After the language-pack updates today, gnome-power-manager shows new german translations for suspend/hibernate on one machine, but not on another machine. I already rebooted, but no change. Any ideas?
[01:40] <Burgwork> Whoopie, please use #ubuntu as this is not a support channel
[01:41] <Whoopie> ok
[01:41] <Burgwork> Whoopie, but for the record, check to make certain dapper-updates is on both
[01:42] <Whoopie> yes, it's. Since I installed on both machines the new packages.
[01:44] <crimsun> Whoopie: Is there a reason you adjusted the Status of #38272?
[01:47] <Whoopie> crimsum: did I? sorry, then it was accidently.
[01:47] <Whoopie> s/crimsum/crimsun
[01:47] <crimsun> np, just checking
[01:48] <ajmitch> hello Burgwork 
[01:49] <Burgwork> how is your SoC project coming?
[01:49] <ajmitch> ok
[01:51] <ajmitch> things are moving, it's getting there :)
[01:51] <Burgwork> got any shiny code to show us?
[01:51] <ajmitch> patience.. :) I'll throw some stuff that way next week when I'm back home
[01:53] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:54] <Burgwork> greeting bddebian 
[01:54] <bddebian> Heya Burgwork
[02:19] <jdub> "A netfilter connection tracking helper for the SIP protocol." -> in 2.6.18 -> ooh!
[02:20] <jdub> BenC: is edgy going to be .17 or .18?
[02:21] <jsgotangco> oohhh
[02:35] <BenC> jdub: .17
[02:35] <jdub> BenC: ah well ;)
[02:36] <BenC> jdub: if the sip helper is pretty self-contained, should be no problem to add it to .17
[02:38] <jdub> BenC: you'd laugh at the idea of pulling the libata changes, right? ;)
[02:56] <BenC> jdub: hehe
[02:57] <jdub> BenC: good answer. ;)
[03:05] <jcole> my synaptics touchpad is jumpy and is now hard to control... this happens every so often and i don't know why...  any way to remedy this without restarting X? i've got a bunch of stuff open right now
[03:45] <bur[n] er> can anyone help me get a backtrace for a nautilus bug?  
[03:45] <bur[n] er> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330625
[03:46] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 330625 in general "sftp crashes on clicking any folder once connected" [Critical,Needinfo]  
[03:46] <bur[n] er> i'll set up the sftp server that makes nautilus crash and give someone a user/pass
[04:11] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: 1) this is not a support channel
[04:12] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: 2) even if it was, it is most likely an issue with upstream; it'll be far more effectief to get someone to debug the bug with if you contact them
[04:12] <bur[n] er> i know... but it is a developer channel, and developers fix bugs, and a dev wants a better trace, and I'm hoping someone here has nautilus with debugging symbols installed
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: which app is it asking you to do the backtrace with?
[04:13] <bur[n] er> nautilus i think
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: with these things, it's usually done by installing gdb, then gdb program, run, then copy the backtrace
[04:13] <bur[n] er> i did
[04:13] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: you're referring to a bug in gnome bugzilla btw; how is this the ubuntu developers responsability to fix it?
[04:14] <bur[n] er> but i need nautilus with debug symbols installed ot get a deeper trace it says
[04:14] <Chipzz> I'm not sure there are debug packages of nautilus
[04:14] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: yes, the debugging symbols *are* gdb
[04:14] <Hobbsee> usually
[04:14] <bur[n] er> i need "more" of them ;)
[04:15] <Chipzz> there probably are of the libs, but most likely not of the apps
[04:15] <bur[n] er> so I think i need nautilus-dbg or something
[04:15] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: install gdb, and you'll have moe of them
[04:15] <Hobbsee> if there's a package called that, that's likely it.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> anyway, --> #ubuntu
[04:15] <bur[n] er> holy crap, there is... ok, #ubuntu it is
[04:15] <bur[n] er> thanks
[04:15] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: anyway, this channel is about the development *of* ubuntu, not development *with* ubuntu :)
[04:15] <bur[n] er> I've also tried #gnome on irc.gnome.org, but they're not so active ;)
[04:16] <bur[n] er> ubuntu uses gnome which has nautilus as part of it... it's an issue with gnome 2.14.2 so yeah... there's my logic ;)  sorry to interrupt the calmness of #ubuntu-devel ;)
[04:16] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: and you need to understand that what the ubuntu developers do is mostly *packaging* the software, they do not actually *write* it :)
[04:16] <bur[n] er> some do... I've heard stuff about ubuntu pushing things back upstream
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Chipzz: depends what software it is :P
[04:17] <Chipzz> idd some do; depends on the technical knowledge of the developer
[04:17] <Hobbsee> bur[n] er: of course they do, but they dont generally discuss gnome stuff in here
[04:17] <Chipzz> Hobbsee: true; but in general what I said holds
[04:17] <jdub> bur[n] er: install nautilus-dbg
[04:17] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, what happened to kvdr, i wonder.
[04:18] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: also, there is 2 kinds of upstream in the case of ubuntu
[04:18] <Chipzz> there is debian which is upstream wrt packaging
[04:19] <Chipzz> and there are people like the gnome developers, who actually write the software
[04:20] <Chipzz> also, in most cases, when patches are applied, they're rarely patches the ubuntu developers wrote themselves, but rather patches pulled from upstream cvs :)
[04:20] <Chipzz> does this clarify stuff a bit? :)
[04:20] <bur[n] er> sure
[04:21] <Chipzz> bur[n] er: good luck :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> something ate my kvdr.  i could have sworn i did that.
[04:21] <bur[n] er> thanks
[04:21] <bur[n] er> i hope this sucker gets fixed by 2.16, so annoying
[04:21] <bur[n] er> peace
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ohhh...it was kdbg that got done, not kvdr.  MOM isnt crazy.
[05:23] <wasabi> Is 1.002-1+b1 less than 1.002-1ubuntu1
[05:23] <wasabi> I would think so.
[05:24] <wasabi> Ahh. Actually no. I see.
[07:36] <fabbione> morning
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hi fabbione 
[07:38] <ajmitch> hello fabbione 
[07:39] <fabbione> hey guys
[07:40] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:55] <imbrandon> heya fabbione
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <Burgundavia> I noticed I have not seen infinity around for a while
[08:18] <dholbach> Burgundavia: he's on vacation
[08:18] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[08:18] <Burgundavia> they let you have those? ;P
[08:25] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: no, it's only an illusion
[08:25] <Hobbsee> that's why those who are on vac still come to the meetings.
[08:25] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: indeed
[08:29] <fabbione> i am going to renew my offer to give away for adoption openais
[08:29] <fabbione> that's going to hit archive in not too long from now
[08:29] <fabbione> as in a couple of hours
[08:38] <\sh> moins
[08:42] <highvoltage> hi \sh and viviersf 
[08:42] <viviersf> lo
[08:55] <pitti> Good morning
[08:56] <pygi> mornin' pitti 
[08:59] <Hobbsee> hi pitti, pygi 
[09:01] <mdke> does anyone know if there are plans for speeding up gnome-app-install? the time it spends calculating dependencies and so on before and after you install anything means that I never use it at all
[09:21] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what group do you have to be in to be able to set the importance of a bug?
[09:21] <dholbach> ubuntu-qa afaik
[09:21] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i was under the impression it was bug-squashers, but it seems that even that doesnt give you the privelages
[09:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[09:22] <Hobbsee> dholbach: approve me please?
[09:25] <Hobbsee> dholbach: thankyou very much :)
[09:25] <dholbach> de rien :)
[10:21] <herzi> mjg59: ping
[10:36] <pygi> doko, you have a sec
[10:36] <sivang> morning
[10:37] <pygi> hey simira 
[10:37] <pygi> sivang*
[10:37] <Hobbsee> hi sivang 
[10:38] <sivang> hey Hobbsee , pygi 
[10:48] <pygi> doko, poke? :)
[10:49] <sivang> pygi: what's up? 
[10:51] <pygi> sivang, not much, working on website
[10:51] <sivang> pygi: for? :)
[10:51] <pygi> do you need help on make-free-space-wizard
[10:52] <pygi> sivang, personal one (pygi.pykix.net, pykix.net), blog (blog.pykix.net) and projects (projectname.pykix.net, projectname.pykix.net/trac)
[10:53] <dholbach> Riddell: i hope you don't mind, if I don't do the KDE merges (my name shows up quite some times, since I did the KDE mass uploads)
[10:53] <sivang> pygi: yes, I will require help with it. specifically read the part of how not to impact system performance while still needing to calculate aging for files
[10:54] <pygi> sivang, will do now ^_^ You comment pages while I read ^_^
[10:55] <pygi> sivang, I dont see any review comments on spec? :-/
[10:55] <Hobbsee> dholbach: were those merges uni or main?
[10:55] <dholbach> Hobbsee: main
[10:56] <Hobbsee> dholbach: bleh, okay
[10:58] <pygi> sivang, you'll need to point me to exact thing that needs thinking, but about impacting system perfomarmance...
[10:58] <pygi> we could calculate that stuff while system is idle
[10:59] <sivang> pygi: already added this to the spec, question his, how do you reliably know when the system is idle, and more importantly, since this is heavy load on disk access, how do you instantly detect that a user has started using it again, such that he won't notice a difference or "spikes" ? 
[10:59] <sivang> s/his/is/
[11:00] <sivang> pygi: I don't think Keybuk has had a chance yet to review my previous addresses
[11:00] <pygi> we could initiate "disk access lock" for anything but our application, and put high priority
[11:01] <pygi> until it's finished
[11:02] <sivang> pygi: what do you mean in "disk access lock" ?
[11:03] <sivang> pygi: how do you do something like that?
[11:04] <pygi> well, once we detect system is in idle state, we could invoke calculation, and prevent user from running any application
[11:04] <sivang> pygi: We can't prevent him from doing so, it's his system, not ours :P
[11:05] <pygi> we can actually :P
[11:07] <sivang> pygi: we can't. Seriously, I wouldn't want my systme to lock down every time I leave it alone for 5 minutes
[11:07] <sivang> pygi: I would not use such a system
[11:07] <pygi> sivang, not everytime really :P
[11:08] <sivang> pygi: okay, so what's the plan?
[11:08] <pygi> sivang, I must go now, but should be back quite soon
[11:08] <pygi> I'll try to think of something acceptable to both us and users
[11:09] <sivang> pygi: thanks, I'd beinterested to hear I'll also try to come up with something
[11:10] <Mithrandir> pitti: are you planning on uploading the freetype security fix to edgy as well?
[11:10] <Mithrandir> bah
[11:10] <Mithrandir> 11:10 < Mithrandir> pitti: are you planning on uploading the freetype security fix to edgy as well?
[11:11] <pitti> Mithrandir: bah, that's still not in Debian?
[11:11] <pitti> Mithrandir: yes, I can do that of course
[11:11] <Mithrandir> pitti: unsure, but if so we haven't merged.
[11:12] <pitti> Mithrandir: I'll check with Keybuk; if that's the only diff, then I'd rather do a Debian NMU and sync
[11:12] <pitti> otherwise I can take the merge and apply the patch
[11:12] <Mithrandir> (I only discovered this because I had ubuntu2.1 installed, then upgraded to edgy then tried to install -dev and it all blew up)
[11:14] <pitti> Mithrandir: no, it's still on the merge list (assigned to Keybuk)
[11:24] <pitti> Hi Kagou 
[11:24] <Kagou> hi pitti  :)
[11:24] <Kagou> hi seb128 
[11:24] <seb128> lu Kagou
[11:26] <Riddell> dholbach: don't mind at all, what KDE merges would you not be doing?
[11:28] <Kamion> wasabi: for future reference this is how you check:
[11:28] <Kamion> $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.002-1+b1 lt 1.002-1ubuntu1; echo $?
[11:29] <ogra> doko, ping
[11:29] <dholbach> Riddell: none of them? :)
[11:30] <pitti> Mithrandir: ok, I did all of chmj's merges now; I'd continue to pick some from Adam, since he's on vac
[11:30] <dholbach> Riddell: i'm quite busy with the whole gnome stack still
[11:30] <pitti> Mithrandir: I'd start with mysql-dfsg-5.0 unless you already started it
[11:30] <Riddell> dholbach: are you talking main or universe?
[11:31] <dholbach> Riddell: both, although i can't remember universe kde uploads i did
[11:32] <Hobbsee> dholbach: nothing showing for universe w.r.t kde with your name on it
[11:33] <dholbach> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[11:33] <Riddell> and not much left in main, I'll get those all done today
[11:33] <Riddell> still, shame that my secret plan to have dholbach take over kde maintenance failed
[11:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:33] <dholbach> Riddell: i don't think you want that ;)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what, you'd just run rm -rf kde*?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> shame.
[11:34] <dholbach> "Kubuntu delayed 8 weeks, investigations in ominous patches are still on-going."
[11:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:36] <Mithrandir> pitti: please do, I'm busy with X.
[11:36] <pitti> Mithrandir: ok, then maybe you can tell me if you grab one of infinity's merges? (since that seems to be much less likely)
[11:36] <Mithrandir> pitti: sure
[11:36] <pitti> great
[11:38] <pitti> seb128, dholbach: bah, this gnome-terminal bug that enlarges itself when switching tabs becomes really annoying...
[11:38] <pitti> seb128, dholbach: is that a known issue or do you want a bug report?
[11:38] <seb128> ah, there is a such bug? that's new?
[11:38] <seb128> not known by me
[11:39] <seb128> I don't use tabs for g-t
[11:39] <seb128> feel free to open a bug
[11:39] <pitti> ok
[11:39] <seb128> switching tabs works fine here apparently
[11:39] <pitti> it started today
[11:40] <seb128> I might be not uptodate enough then :)
[11:40] <pitti> well, or me; I didn't dist-upgrade today yet
[11:41] <pitti> seb128: but I'm happy that the xkb stuff works again :)
[11:41] <seb128> pitti: is that http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346222 ?
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 346222 in general "Window doesn't resize when the tab field disappears" [Minor,Unconfirmed]  
[11:41] <pitti> seb128: no, sounds unrelated
[11:41] <seb128> ok
[11:42] <pitti> hi slomo 
[11:42] <dholbach> pitti: there's a bug filed already, but i don't encounter it
[11:42] <slomo> hi pitti 
[11:42] <pitti> dholbach: maybe it only occurs with special settings
[11:42] <dholbach> oh, i encounter it too
[11:43] <pitti> dholbach: it doesn't happen everytime, but when switching to particular tabs
[11:43] <pitti> and sometimes it enlarges by 1 line, sometimes by 5 or so
[11:43] <dholbach> but doing ctrl-shift-t, ctrl-d, ctrl-shift-t, ctrl-d, ctrl-shift-t, ctrl-d, ctrl-shift-t, ctrl-d, ctrl-shift-t, ctrl-d is not what i regularly do :)
[11:43] <pitti> dholbach: no, I use alt+1, alt+2 etc.
[11:43] <pitti> to switch
[11:44] <pitti> (switchign with mouse click on tabs does the same)
[11:44] <pitti> dholbach: but yes, c-s-t maximizes my window, too
[11:45] <slomo> hm, you're not talking about the weird gnome-terminal behaviour with tabs with latest vte/gnome-terminal?
[11:45] <pitti> slomo: I think we do
[11:46] <slomo> oh ok... i noticed it just before starting xchat ;) my terminal changes the height when switching tabs
[11:47] <dholbach> Kinnison/mg59: could you look into the gnome-power-manager merge/update? I know it says my name on merges.ubuntu.com/main.html - but I really don't feel comfortable about it. tseng already investigated in porting our patches, but found upstream had gone a long way since you added the patches. :/
[11:47] <ogra> dholbach, i was about to ask how the status is
[11:48] <dholbach> ogra: i merely added some icons to it
[11:48] <dholbach> ogra: that's why my name shows up in the list
[11:48] <ogra> we always had our own package, seems debian uses the native stuff from hughsie but it only differs in the rules now
[11:48] <ogra> i think we should rather grab upstreams 2.15 :)
[11:49] <dholbach> i silently agree :)
[11:49] <Kinnison> dholbach: richard was very good at taking on my patches, so you may find you need to remove patches in order for things to work. However I don't know what he has done since and our suspend-gating patch might break
[11:49] <ogra> i'll probably do that tonight if i'm in the eifel again
[11:49] <shawarma> win 1
[11:49] <shawarma> gah...
[11:50] <sivang> please don't break to syspend to ram, it works so beuatifully now :)
[11:50] <fabbione> pitti: ping
[11:50] <dholbach> Kinnison, ogra: thank you
[11:50] <ogra> sivang, g-p-m only triggers it ... the rest is the kernels job :)
[11:51] <sivang> ogra: ah, cool then, you can probably grab upstream in that case
[11:52] <fabbione> Kamion: ok slam it in universe for now. It might take sometime to get it reviewed etc.
[11:52] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks
[11:55] <Kamion> ok
[11:58] <cain__> chz 
[12:10] <ogra> dholbach, looks like g-p-m 2.15 has to wait ...
[12:11] <ogra>   libgnomeui-dev: Depends: libbonoboui2-dev (>= 2.13.1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:11] <ogra> dholbach, but i have a prepared package around ... wil go on with it if the gnome stack is complete
[12:12] <tseng> ogra: *hugs*
[12:12] <dholbach> ogra: because of libgnutls11-dev vs libgnutls-dev or x?
[12:13] <ogra> oh, hm ... good question... libbonoboui2-dev *is* at 2.14.0
[12:15] <dholbach> ah no
[12:15] <dholbach> that's on amd64?
[12:15] <dholbach> then it'S because of libgnomeui because of gtk because of pango because of libxft because of x (or something)
[12:15] <tseng> oh thats interesting
[12:16] <tseng> in gtk+ 2.10, moving a scroll bar all the way to one side desensitizes the button in that direction
[12:16] <dholbach> yeah
[12:16] <dholbach> that's neat
[12:16] <ogra> dholbach, powerpc
[12:16] <dholbach> ogra: might be the same story
[12:16] <ogra> yep
[12:16] <dholbach> afaik gtk and gnomeui only built on i386 already
[12:16] <dholbach> then X hit in :)
[12:17] <dholbach> Mithrandir: where did it bite you? i mean, which package?
[12:17] <tseng> Mithrandir: had to happen sometime, no?
[12:17] <Mithrandir> dholbach: dapper has the package with the broken ABI.
[12:17] <ogra> but thats weird, it complains about libgnome2-dev and libgnomevfs2-dev not being installable ... but both of them are fine if i install them in my chroot ... the versions are fine as well
[12:17] <seb128> ogra: most of GNOME -dev are not installable since yesterday
[12:18] <dholbach> Mithrandir: afaik nothing was done in debian about it. and to the best of my knowledgy only some gnustep apps were bitten directly, right?
[12:18] <Kamion> dholbach: it was fixed in Debian recently
[12:18] <dholbach> oh ok
[12:18] <seb128> ogra: libpango1.0-dev Depends on libxft-dev which is not installable ... should be fixed soon
[12:18] <Mithrandir> dholbach: what Colin says and even though gnustep is the one bitten by it, it's bad nevertheless.
[12:18] <ogra> seb128, dholbach, ugh, please check the dependencys of libbonoboui2-dev
[12:18] <Kamion> where recently = March
[12:18] <Mithrandir> seb128: it's been synced and NEWed 
[12:18] <dholbach> Mithrandir: i'm not happy about it either
[12:18] <seb128> Mithrandir: cool :)
[12:18] <Kamion> we're going to have to rebuild xft after freetype though
[12:18] <Mithrandir> so it just needs to be published and built.
[12:19] <ogra> seb128, dholbach, there is a doubled entry for libgnome2-dev
[12:19] <Kamion> we *really* should have caught the freetype upgrade in March
[12:19] <Mithrandir> Kamion: we should, but we didn't so we get to cope now. :-/
[12:19] <seb128> ogra: who cares about that :p
[12:19] <seb128> (we will fix it with next upload)
[12:20] <hunger> Is it really necessary for gs-esp to install libglib1.2? gs-gpl does not have that dependency. But then cupsys needs gs-esp...
[12:20] <dholbach> ogra: i agree with seb128... it could be worse :)
[12:20] <ogra> seb128, well, libbonoboui2-dev claims to be not installable because libgnome2-dev isnt there (which is an evil lie from apt :P)
[12:20] <tseng> dholbach: do you have any gnome merges I can help with w/o crazy ubuntu patches?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: rebuilding xft is trivial enough though, so I guess we should just note this down on the big "stuff we have to fix" list.
[12:20] <Kamion> so I propose we sync freetype now, which appears to be doable
[12:20] <Kamion> all the patches have been incorporated
[12:20] <seb128> ogra: nothing to do with the matter
[12:21] <dholbach> tseng: i think there's quite a bunch of stuff on merges.ubuntu.com/main.html left
[12:21] <Mithrandir> Kamion: sync freetype, then immediately rebuild xft?
[12:21] <Kamion> yeah
[12:21] <Mithrandir> sounds like a plan to me.
[12:21] <Kamion> freetype syncing
[12:22] <Mithrandir> I'll do xft
[12:22] <ogra> seb128, i can install the libgnome2-dev and libgnomevfs2-dev packages just fine so there is no reason why libbonoboui2-dev shouldnt be installable ...
[12:22] <seb128> ogra: either it's installable or not
[12:22] <ogra> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:22] <ogra>   libbonoboui2-dev: Depends: libgnome2-dev (>= 2.13.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <ogra>                     Depends: libgnome2-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:22] <ogra>                     Depends: libgnomevfs2-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:23] <tseng> dholbach: ok i will look in a few days when i can install my build-deps
[12:23] <ogra> i can install the two dependencies, but not libbonoboui2-dev
[12:23] <doko> ogra: ?
[12:23] <seb128> ogra: libbonoboui2-dev is not installable, it requites libpango1.0-dev which requires the new xft
[12:23] <dholbach> ogra: sudo apt-get install libgnome2-dev  ---  what does it say?
[12:23] <Kamion> Mithrandir: we should merge new fontconfig too
[12:23] <ogra> doko, see #ubuntu-toolchain
[12:23] <seb128> requires
[12:23] <Kamion> (before rebuilding xft)
[12:23] <Kamion> +  * noftinternals.patch: patch from freetype.org to avoid using freetype
[12:23] <Kamion> +    internals (closes: #370458).
[12:23] <ogra> dholbach, it installs libgnome2-dev
[12:23] <seb128> ogra: what does aptitude say on the topic?
[12:24] <ogra> seb128, let me try (i never used aptitude in my life :) )
[12:24] <seb128> ${la:Depends}
[12:24] <seb128> hum
[12:24] <seb128> is that new? :)
[12:24] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ok, should I do that or would you like it?
[12:24] <Kamion> doko: how quickly could you get fontconfig merged?
[12:24] <dholbach> Kamion: thanks for the syncs
[12:24] <ogra> seb128,  aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable
[12:24] <ogra> :P
[12:25] <seb128> ogra: you should use dapper :p
[12:25] <Kamion> noting that fontconfig build-depends: libfreetype6-dev so it needs to go in the publisher run *after* freetype binaries are built
[12:25] <doko> Kamion: oops, I missed that; should be easy
[12:25] <ogra> seb128, thats in my edgy pbuilder :)
[12:25] <doko> doing it now
[12:25] <Kamion> doko: can you do it but wait for a signal before uploading? this all looks unpleasantly delicate
[12:26] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I'm tempted to just add a versioned build-dep on the fixed libfreetype6 but still make it an build1 upload, that should be ok?
[12:26] <doko> Kamion: sure
[12:26] <Kamion> Mithrandir: yeah
[12:30] <Kamion> doko: thanks
[12:30] <Mithrandir> ok, xft with tightened build-deps (which should leave it in dep-wait for a bit) uploaded.
[12:32] <Chipzz> hrrrm mvo not here?
[12:32] <dholbach> Chipzz: he's on holidays
[12:32] <Kamion> pitti: I've NEWed liboobs straight to main because gnome-system-tools already build-deps on it, but could you have a look over it?
[12:32] <dholbach> Chipzz: can I help you with something?
[12:32] <dholbach> Kamion: thanks a lot for that
[12:32] <pitti> Kamion: sure
[12:33] <dholbach> pitti: ! :-)
[12:33] <Chipzz> dholbach: a repository which previously worked flawlessly all of a sudden is causing apt to b0rk
[12:33] <dholbach> pitti: i guess that will require the other main inclusion reports, sorry :-(
[12:33] <Chipzz> I suspect something broke with the last apt-upload, as the release file (which apt is complaining about) actually looks fine
[12:33] <dholbach> pitti: i can write a liboobs one too, if you like
[12:33] <Chipzz> apt upload, that is
[12:34] <dholbach> Chipzz: humhum, i suppose it's better to write a bug report about it. I'm not that apt 
[12:35] <pitti> dholbach: a small one would be nice; I can do the security bits, but an assessment of quality and purpose would be nice
[12:36] <dholbach> pitti: okay!
[12:39] <doko> Kamion: #52102, eunuchs and epydoc are not synced
[12:40] <dholbach> pitti: done
[12:42] <Kamion> bug 52102
[12:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52102 in semperwiki "view rendering configurable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52102
[12:42] <Kamion> doko: ^-- try again? :)
[12:44] <doko> Kamion: bug 52101
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52101 in Ubuntu "sync requests" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52101
[12:46] <Kamion> doko: epydoc certainly is merged and built
[12:46] <Kamion> as for eunuchs:
[12:46] <Kamion> $ dpkg --compare-versions 20050320.1ubuntu1 lt 20050320.1-0.1; echo $?
[12:46] <Kamion> 1
[12:46] <Kamion> can't sync that
[12:47] <Kamion> (sync-source didn't tell me about that so I didn't notice, sorry)
[12:48] <elmo> so, gnome apps can't add stuff to my panel
[12:48] <elmo> is there anyway to debug/fix that, short of trashing ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome*  and starting again?
[12:49] <dholbach> elmo: what do you mean by that?
[12:49] <dholbach> elmo: to the notification area?
[12:49] <elmo> dholbach: yes, I thought it was just update-notifier, but ekiga has the same problem
[12:51] <dholbach> elmo: but you still have the notification area applet on the panel?
[12:53] <dholbach> i'd be happy if somebody who worked on i18n would take scim to merge
[12:53] <pitti> dholbach: is libmusicbrainz something gnomeish you'll update in the next time? if not, I'll do the merge now (it's Adam's)
[12:53] <elmo> oh.  oh dear.
[12:53] <elmo> how embarassing
[12:53] <dholbach> pitti: i didn't intend to - if you take it, i'm happy.
[12:54] <pitti> dholbach: I'd just monkey-merge it, I don't even know what it is for :)
[12:54] <seb128> elmo: didn't have the applet? ;)
[12:54] <elmo> seb128: yes :-(
[12:54] <seb128> hehe
[12:54] <elmo> I'll go and close that several month old bug on update-notifier now *blush*
[12:54] <ogra> elmo, but i can confirm update-notifier behaving weird :)
[12:54] <pitti> dholbach: any idea why we dropped the python packages for it?
[12:54] <dholbach> pitti: lookup of cddb data, etc
[12:55] <dholbach> pitti: because we didn't have python-random-xyz in main at that time and it was past uvf
[12:55] <seb128> pitti: something like "require stuff from universe"? :)
[12:55] <pitti> seb128: ah, indeed; thanks
[12:55] <seb128> np
[12:56] <dholbach> it'd be great to have them, though
[01:00] <dholbach> hum, why is  screem  in main?
[01:01] <seb128> because somebody likes it and asked for it probably? :p
[01:07] <doko> Kamion: does fontconfig need a tightened b-d on libfreetype6?
[01:08] <Kamion> doko: not sure - *probably* not, and I think it would only be for build ordering
[01:09] <Kamion> doko: just waiting for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/freetype/2.2.1-2 to have a set of "Successfully built" lines at the moment
[01:17] <\sh> doko: is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy valid for ubuntu, too?
[01:19] <doko> \sh: yes
[01:21] <pitti> iwj: do you think you can do the gsfonts-x11 merge?
[01:31] <ivoks> pitti: ping
[01:31] <pitti> Kamion: oh, I just noticed that we didn't drop courier from the seeds yet (as discussed in Paris); ok if I do that now?
[01:31] <pitti> hi ivoks
[01:32] <ivoks> pitti: i've finished gutenprint-rc3
[01:32] <pitti> ivoks: cool
[01:32] <Kamion> pitti: sure
[01:32] <ivoks> pitti: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/gprint
[01:33] <Kamion> (without knowing anything about the specific change)
[01:33] <Kamion> UbuntuServerTasks mentions courier as a possibility
[01:33] <Kamion> (which would need it in main)
[01:33] <pitti> Kamion: we have dovecot and cyrus21 already, no need for a third MTA
[01:33] <Kamion> 'k
[01:33] <pitti> Kamion: right now there are no rdepends, I just checked
[01:33] <pitti> in warty we used courier because dovecot wasn't quite there yet
[01:43] <pitti> Mithrandir: btw, freetype 2.2.1 has the security fixes upstream, so all is good
[01:44] <Mithrandir> pitti: excellent.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ogra: try it :P
[01:51] <Kamion> could somebody (a Kubuntu person?) in ubuntu-dev please confirm #52215?
[01:51] <ogra> Hobbsee, i just did !
[01:51] <ogra> Hobbsee, works wonderful
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ogra: yay!
[01:52] <Hobbsee> bug 52215
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52215 in codeine "Please sync with debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52215
[01:52] <ogra> (if you use an ibook)
[01:54] <Riddell> Kamion: yes please
[01:54] <Riddell> confirmed
[01:54] <Kamion> thanks
[01:56] <hunger> ogra: Unfortunately that kernel does not even boot if you have my thinkpad:-(
[01:58] <ogra> hunger, well, mine booted, but i had no keyboard until yesterday :)
[01:58] <ogra> edgy is so much fun :)
[02:00] <iwj> pitti: I don't see why not.  I'll take it.
[02:00] <iwj> Yay, a working firefox build.  OK it's the debug build but the end is in sight.
[02:01] <ogra> is anybody on libgtk-perl ?
[02:02] <pitti> ogra: I asked for a sync
[02:02] <ogra> pitti, ah, fine
[02:02] <pitti> ogra: oh, sorry, that was libgtk2-perl
[02:05] <gnomefreak> what is this? Qt::VBoxLayout
[02:06] <pitti> seb128: ok for me merging gnumeric?
[02:06] <seb128> pitti: I think dholbach was doing it yesterdya
[02:06] <seb128> yesterday
[02:06] <thom> gnomefreak: it looks like a function to me.
[02:07] <pitti> dholbach: did you? it's not yet uploaded
[02:07] <gnomefreak> well the error starts with DESTROY and that kind of worried me
[02:09] <seb128> pitti: jui 04 12:39:00 <dholbach>      seb128_: for gnumeric i look into goffice, for that i have to merge libgnomeui, for that i have to merge libbonoboui (hope you didn't start on any of those)
[02:09] <seb128> pitti: let him some time, I'm sure you have other merge you can do for now ;)
[02:10] <dholbach> pitti, seb128: Gloubiboulga is working on it
[02:10] <seb128> pitti: knowing that we have a GNOME stack being broken since yesterday so it's not easy to try the merges and to upload something
[02:10] <dholbach> he already did goffice, which i need to review
[02:10] <gnomefreak> it seems to be going so ill ignore the message for the moment
[02:12] <pitti> dholbach: alright, thanks; I let it alone then
[02:12] <seb128> pitti: gnome-power-manager is looking for somebody determined though, if you feel doing so (dholbach would love you for it)
[02:13] <dholbach> seb128, pitti: ogra is working on it
[02:13] <seb128> ah, k
[02:13] <ogra> hmm, looks like gtk-perl can be synced as well
[02:24] <dholbach> seb128: doing gok
[02:24] <seb128> dholbach: feel free to do whatever on your list without saying you do them :)
[02:39] <pygi> hey raphink 
[02:41] <raphink> hi pygi
[02:43] <ogra> i.e. Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1), autotools-dev, gnulib (>= 0.0.20041014-2), quilt, patchutils (>= 0.2.25), cdbs (>= 0.4.27-1), dh-buildinfo
[02:43] <raphink> huh?
[02:43] <raphink> :s
[02:43] <ogra> why is cdbs twice in there ? 
[02:43] <raphink> ogra: I'd guess this is a package using cdbs evil auto control rule, no?
[02:43] <ogra> hmm
[02:43] <ogra> auto-update.mk ?
[02:44] <raphink> in debian/rules
[02:44] <raphink> the @@ stuff
[02:44] <raphink> don't remember it by heart
[02:44] <raphink> I had to kick it out sometime 
[02:44] <raphink> cause it was generating conflicting deps
[02:44] <raphink> lol
[02:45] <ogra> there *was* a DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL = 1 at the top that was apparently dropped
[02:45] <raphink> did you remove it?
[02:46] <pitti> dropping this sounds gooooood
[02:46] <raphink> very good :)
[02:46] <ogra> nope, lamont commented it ...
[02:46] <raphink> hmmm
[02:46] <ogra> and the recent debian version dropped it
[02:46] <ogra> but that didnt fix the build deps :P
[02:46] <raphink> thre must be a bit of it somewhere still
[02:46] <raphink> ;)
[02:46] <raphink> it's not dead yet
[02:46] <ogra> there is still a control.in
[02:46] <thom> just kill cdbs and be happy
[02:46] <raphink> just pretending it s
[02:47] <ogra> but no trace of anything that updates it
[02:47] <raphink> thom: no :p
[02:47] <raphink> cdbs is great when it's used properly
[02:47] <raphink> :)
[02:47] <ogra> thom, i dont want to redo libgd2 :P
[02:47] <ogra> even i agree, cdbs should just die
[02:47] <raphink> :p
[02:48] <ogra> lol
[02:48] <ogra> Build-Depends: @cdbs@, debhelper (>= 4), autotools-dev, d-shlibs (>> 0.23), libpng12-dev, libz-dev, libfreetype6-dev, libxpm-dev | xlibs-dev (<< 4.3.0), libx11-dev | xlibs-dev (<< 4.3.0), libxt-dev | xlibs-dev (<< 4.3.0), libjpeg62-dev, libfontconfig-dev
[02:48] <ogra> its using control.in *only* for the cdbs build dep 
[02:48] <seb128> ogra: you don't have any work to do instead of trolling?
[02:49] <ogra> seb128, but but ... trolling is so much fun :P
[02:49] <seb128> slacker
[02:49] <ogra> heh
[02:49] <tseng> i hate control.in
[02:49] <ogra> seb128, want libgd2 ?
[02:49] <seb128> no, thank you
[02:49] <raphink> ogra: typical ;)
[02:49] <seb128> but you would be already done with it if you didn't spend so much time trolling on IRC
[02:50] <elektranox> is libfreetype6-dev defect in edgy?
[02:50] <ogra> seb128, i just share the entertainment of this funny package
[02:50] <raphink> ogra: what package is that?
[02:50] <seb128> ogra: looks like a borring trolling tentative to me
[02:50] <ogra> raphink, lingd2
[02:50] <raphink> ok
[02:50] <ogra> *lib
[02:51] <Mithrandir> elektranox: not once the publisher runs.
[02:51] <Mithrandir> elektranox: so yes, at the moment.  In an hour, no.
[02:51] <elektranox> ah ok thx
[03:08] <dholbach> thom: pffft :)
[03:14] <hunger>  /join #kubuntu-devel
[03:14] <hunger> X broke?
[03:14] <hunger> Damn... I should better not log out then.
[03:15] <ogra> hunger, you should better not use edgy then ;)
[03:16] <hunger> ogra: I *MUST* use edgy!
[03:16] <ogra> heh
[03:16] <hunger> ogra: My package-addiction drives me;-)
[03:16] <hunger> ogra: dapper just does not see enough updates to stick with it;-)
[03:17] <ogra> well, edgy will break in intresting ways the next weeks :)
[03:17] <hunger> ogra: I fully expect that.
[03:17] <Mithrandir> hunger: I don't think we've actually _broken_ X yet.
[03:18] <hunger> ogra: If it does I can always use the suse box at work.
[03:18] <hunger> Mithrandir: I was responding to someone on #kubuntu-devel. I have not yet run into trouble myself.
[03:19] <fabbione> hunger: no X is still all in one piece. the fun will begin next week
[03:19] <hunger> Mithrandir: Well, I was trying to respond on #kubuntu-devel.
[03:19] <fabbione> breaking the server and fonts
[03:19] <hunger> fabbione: What are you planning to do?
[03:19] <Mithrandir> hunger: sync with Debian
[03:19] <fabbione> hunger: what Mithrandir said
[03:20] <hunger> fabbione: at least one font package has a broken postinst already. I guess that is to get people used to the hard times ahead;-)
[03:21] <hunger> fabbione: Mithrandir said you are going to break X. I do hope that is not the complete plan;-)
[03:21] <Mithrandir> hunger: we're going to fix it too.  Eventually.
[03:22] <bddebian> Morning folks
[03:22] <gnomefreak> morning bddebian 
[03:23] <bddebian> Hi gnomefreak
[03:23] <fabbione> hunger: Mithrandir didn't say i am going to break X. I said that next week the fun begins
[03:29] <Keybuk> fabbione: any time next week would be fine :)
[03:29] <fabbione> Keybuk: ok perfect thanks :)
[03:30] <Keybuk> fabbione: I don't know anything about asterisk and modems, sound cards, etc. though
[03:30] <Keybuk> I have a hardphone that talks SIP to it
[03:30] <fabbione> Keybuk: no i don't need modems or sound cards. I have ekiga clients and i want to set it up as gw/voice mail or something like that
[03:30] <Keybuk> *nods*
[03:31] <fabbione> iirc it can do also proxy for nat traversal and that would be good to
[03:31] <fabbione> basically i don't want to end up with 20 ekiga account 
[03:31] <fabbione> but get asterisk to do all the job for me as you can imagine
[03:31] <Keybuk> right, you can get asterisk to register with all the accounts, and then just route them all into one place
[03:36] <sivang> Keybuk: have you had a chance to review make-free-space-wizard specification?
[03:36] <Keybuk> sivang: nope, none
[03:36] <Keybuk> I'm concentrating only on stuff I need to get done today I'm afraid
[03:37] <bddebian> OK damnit, I was trying to "help" with X merges and now the ones I looked at last night are all uploaded already .. :-(
[03:37] <sivang> Keybuk: I see, is there anyone else who can review it? mdz said that you'll have to do it since you had comments...
[03:37] <Keybuk> I will do it on monday
[03:38] <sivang> Keybuk: okay, is it okay dead line wise? :)
[03:38] <sivang> (that it'd be on monday)
[03:38] <Keybuk> sivang: you're already passed the deadline
[03:39] <sivang> Keybuk: I know, let's hope to close it down on monday then.
[03:44] <sivang> hmm, how do one chooses to show diff between two arbitrary revisions in Moin?
[03:46] <shawarma> sivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pagename?action=diff&rev2=57&rev1=22
[03:46] <shawarma> Adjust pagename, rev2, and rev1 accordingly.
[03:49] <sivang> shawarma: thanks , it seems to be missing from the top menu
[03:50] <zul> hi
[03:50] <shawarma> sivang: No, it's there alright.
[03:51] <shawarma> sivang: It speaks Danish to me, so I can't tell you the name of the link, but it's the third from the left.
[03:51] <fabbione> shawarma: change your lang is an option.. Danish isn't sane anyway
[03:53] <shawarma> fabbione: Ah, so it is. My browser is configured for Danish so it just went with that.
[03:53] <shawarma> fabbione: it takes forever to save the new preferences, though. It's been about a minute now, and it's still not done.
[03:54] <sivang> fabbione: heh
[03:54] <sivang> fabbione: is it boiling hot for you as well?
[03:55] <Kamion> hunger: the font packages' postinsts are only broken because some people synced/merged them in the wrong order; they'll get fixed automatically and in the meantime should be left alone
[03:55] <shawarma> Wow. three minutes to save my preferences on the wiki.
[03:55] <fabbione> shawarma: eheh no idea for the pref ... really
[03:55] <fabbione> sivang: i am always boiling hot
[03:56] <sivang> fabbione: right, I should have know :p
[03:56] <fabbione> sivang: it's part of being italian
[04:05] <mdke> shawarma: the wiki in general is extremely slow
[04:09] <pygi> sivang, poke? :)
[04:10] <mdke> sivang: it's behind "info"
[04:11] <ogra> knopper, ping
[04:17] <ogra> Mithrandir, the comments about unionfs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDShareThisCD dont really sound encouraging
[04:29] <iwj> Re the X merge: we're adopting the new paths from Debian wholesale, right ?
[04:29] <sivang> mdke: thanks
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> dholbach, could you upload goffice if the merge is correct? it'll be easier to test gnumeric then
[04:33] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: right, looking at it now
[04:33] <Kamion> iwj: I believe that's the current plan, possibly with the odd compatibility symlink.
[04:33] <iwj> Right.
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> thanks dholbach 
[04:38] <iwj> Oh, the soyuz "it depends on which ftp session the file arrived in" bug ate my gs-gpl upload.
[04:38] <iwj> That's annoying because it means I have to repush the 9.5Mb .orig.tar.gz.
[04:54] <sivang> pygi: pong
[04:54] <sivang> pygi: 'sup?
[04:54] <pygi> sivang, now I forgot !!!
[04:55] <pygi> o right, the ideas on how to calculate..
[04:55] <pygi> you got any? :)
[04:58] <sivang> pygi: I've put them on the wiki page, let me know what you think
[04:58] <sivang> pygi: (this is to address one of Keybuk's comments)
[04:58] <sivang> pygi: wiki page = SystemCleanUpTool
[05:00] <sivang> pygi_: lost network ? :)
[05:00] <HiddenWolf> sivang: you really should get a better name for that
[05:01] <pygi_> sivang, yes, AGAIN!!!
[05:01] <pygi_> I am going insane, and starting to think of starting my own ISP :P
[05:02] <pygi> sivang, will check spec  in a bit
[05:06] <iwj> Who is responsible for xfonts-utils and perhaps a corresponding change to debhelper ?  My merged gsfonts-x11 has a debhelper-generated call to update-fonts-dir which uses an unknown option --x11r7-layout.
[05:06] <iwj> For that matter, why is xfonts-utils not in the mom output ?
[05:07] <iwj> (Source: xfonts-core)
[05:08] <sivang> pygi: sure thing
[05:08] <pygi> sivang, also check pm, please ^_^
[05:09] <sivang> HiddenWolf: better name for what?
[05:09] <HiddenWolf> sivang: scut
[05:10] <sivang> HiddenWolf: ah, why not? does this have some nasty meaning in English ? :-)
[05:10] <HiddenWolf> Scuttle \Scut"tle\, v. i. [For scuddle, fr. scud.] 
[05:10] <HiddenWolf>    To run with affected precipitation; to hurry; to bustle; to
[05:10] <HiddenWolf>    scuddle.
[05:10] <HiddenWolf>    [1913 Webster] 
[05:10] <HiddenWolf> It's a tad close. :)
[05:10] <sivang> cut \Scut\, n. [Cf. Icel. skott a fox's tail. [root]  159.] 
[05:10] <sivang>    [Obs.] 
[05:10] <sivang>    The tail of a hare, or of a deer, or other animal whose tail
[05:10] <sivang>    is short, esp. when carried erect; hence, sometimes, the
[05:10] <sivang>    animal itself. "He ran like a scut." --Skelton.
[05:11] <sivang> HiddenWolf: seems reasonable unless I'm missing something :-) 
[05:11] <HiddenWolf> scut
[05:11] <HiddenWolf>      n : a short erect tail
[05:11] <HiddenWolf> :P
[05:12] <sivang> does anyone else have reservations about it? it's really nice for the acronym :p
[05:12] <pygi> sivang, pm please ^_^
[05:13] <beezly> elmo: did you get my /msg ok? i was suffering some irc client insanity earlier :(
[05:13] <wasabi> ZeroConf in Ubuntu Edgy... the most horrible thread ever. It just keeps going and going.
[05:14] <ogra> iwj, its not merged yet see http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs
[05:14] <bddebian> wasabi: Amen
[05:14] <ogra> first the libs have to go
[05:14] <sivang> wasabi: I'm already CTRL-Ting instinctively in mutt
[05:14] <sivang> pygi: I can't see anything from PM from you
[05:15] <sivang> :-(
[05:15] <wasabi> I like the suggestion to forward all packages to userspace with QUEUE, and have a userspace daemon say yes or no.
[05:15] <wasabi> s/packages/packets/
[05:15] <Kamion> iwj: xfonts-utils is yet to be merged, as ogra says
[05:15] <Kamion> iwj: please defer merging gsfonts-x11 until that's done
[05:16] <pygi> sivang, ah, are you registered
[05:16] <sivang> Riddell: do you mind that I do dput ? still only minor control file merge to fix python version it depends on.
[05:17] <sivang> I didn't realize I was not registered, sorry PM me again now
[05:18] <Riddell> sivang: go ahead
[05:18] <Kamion> iwj: xfonts-utils isn't in the MOM output because it's a new package in Debian as far as MOM is concerned (source package name changed)
[05:18] <sivang> Riddell: thanks
[05:33] <Kamion> doko: oh, freetype has built everywhere now, please go ahead and upload fontconfig
[05:37] <doko> Kamion: already seen and uploaded
[05:37] <Kamion> thanks
[05:41] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:43] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[05:47] <pitti> Kamion: can you please approve my libgnomecups upload to dapper-updates? mdz approved it in bug 45406
[05:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45406 in libgnomecups "memory leak in gnome-cups-icon" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45406
[05:49] <Kamion> pitti: done
[05:49] <pitti> merci
[05:53] <iwj> Kamion: defer> Roger.
[05:53] <siretart> is this something to worry about? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17427
[05:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52243 in Ubuntu "Please sync bonfire from debian, there is no ubuntu version yet." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52243
[05:58] <dholbach> pygi: if there's no ubuntu version yet, it will get done automatically and then will sit in NEW for a while
[06:00] <Kamion> pygi: I already saw it thanks
[06:00] <Kamion> and as dholbach says, it's not necessary in general, unless there's some urgency
[06:00] <pygi> no urgency, no worries ^_^
[06:01] <sivang> Kamion: It's my mistake, I reported the bug I was not aware we are auto syncing new stuff from debian
[06:02] <Kamion> don't worry about it, it's not a problem, just saying you don't need to
[06:02] <bddebian> Oh sure yell at me and be all sweet to sivang :-)
[06:03] <Kamion> when did I yell at you for a sync request?
[06:04] <iwj> pygi: Oh, what did you want to talk to me about yesterday ?
[06:05] <pygi> iwj, doesn't matter anymore, but thanks for remembering ^_^
[06:05] <iwj> NP
[06:05] <bddebian> Kamion: I was kidding :)
[06:16] <Yagisan> mako: thanks for signing my key from UDU (0x42E2C1E5), I thought you forgot as it was so long ago. Unfortunately I no longer have access to that key. Hopefully next time we meet you can sign my new one.
[06:18] <pitti> slomo: ping?
[06:19] <slomo> pitti: pong
[06:19] <pitti> slomo: libgdiplus is weird - it has no soname, no -dev package, and does not ship any .h files - what the hell is that? 
[06:19] <pitti> slomo: oh, I led, it has soname 0, but the package name does not
[06:19] <pitti> s/led/lied/
[06:20] <slomo> pitti: it's only used by mono... mono invokes the exported functions and doesn't need any headers or something else for it
[06:20] <pitti> uh
[06:21] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: hehehe right, he did a massive keysign it seems, i got mine too
[06:21] <pitti> well, that can be fixed once it changes
[06:22] <pitti> slomo: btw, did you have any enlightenment about the ppc segfault?
[06:22] <slomo> pitti: it will probably never change... it's like any other "private" libraries only that it is released separate
[06:22] <slomo> not really... i'm still at the libgcc_s/libpthread backtrace :(
[06:22] <Kamion> next time Keybuk appears, somebody tell him he gets to handle NEW for the weekend - I'm off camping/beer-festival-ing shortly
[06:23] <bddebian> Heey, where's my beer?
[06:23] <slomo> pitti: but i can reproduce it as often as i want now ;)
[06:23] <Kamion> there's a certain amount of stuff in the queue but I think nothing earth-shattering
[06:23] <pitti> slomo: and rebuilding gcc-4.1 without ssp helps?
[06:24] <pitti> Kamion: maybe you can acknowledge the cupsys upload to dapper-security? if not, I ask mdz once he wakes up
[06:24] <slomo> pitti: downgrading to the version that doesn't use ssp helps... i don't really want to rebuild gcc ;)
[06:24] <bddebian> Heya mdz
[06:24] <pitti> hi mdz 
[06:25] <ogra> hey mdz 
[06:25] <slomo> hi mdke 
[06:25] <slomo> s/mdke/mdz/ :)
[06:26] <pitti> dholbach, slomo: there, all your stuff approved
[06:26] <mdz> morning
[06:26] <dholbach> pitti: thanks so much
[06:26] <dholbach> pitti: after a massive give back, it should be all happy
[06:26] <dholbach> morning mdz
[06:26] <slomo> pitti: thanks :) btw, you could try liferea 1.0.16 on your amd64 with gtkhtml... it should've fixed the crasher and you can approve it too then ;)
[06:27] <pitti> hey sabdfl
[06:28] <sivang> hi sabdfl 
[06:28] <bddebian> Heya dholbach, sabdfl
[06:28] <dholbach> hi bddebian
[06:28] <dholbach> hi sabdfl
[06:28] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach hey sabdfl
[06:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:29] <ogra> hi sabdfl 
[06:31] <Kamion> pitti: err ... I'd rather mdz did that
[06:32] <Kamion> or at least said it's ok
[06:33] <pitti> Kamion: he ok'ed it yesterday, but nevermind, he's here now :)
[06:33] <pitti> Kamion: happy beer drinking
[06:34] <nix4me> pitti, when might that new libgnomecups fix hit the repositories?
[06:35] <pitti> nix4me: give it a few hours
[06:35] <nix4me> ok, thanks.
[06:40] <Kamion> mdz: would appreciate if you did cupsys, I need to run soon and don't have time to sanity-check right now
[06:41] <mdz> Kamion: did it before you mentioned it
[06:41] <Kamion> ok, cool
[06:41] <mdz> pitti: is libgnomecups done already?  you said in the bug you were uploading it, but it's not in the queue
[06:42] <mdz> ah, I just received colin's followup to the bug
[06:43] <sivang> slomo: can you see my PMs ?
[06:43] <pitti> mdz: yep
[06:43] <slomo> sivang: yes, answered it already ;)
[06:43] <pitti> mdz: the only thing left in the ack pipe for you is pmount bug 49655
[06:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49655 in pmount "could not compile regex" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49655
[06:46] <sivang> mdz: Keybuk noted he would be able to review SystemCleanUpTool only on monday, is it okay? if not, I'm keen to work on any comments you might have today.
[06:51] <mdz> pitti: what about 51038?
[06:52] <pitti> bug 51038
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51038 in dovecot "sub-folders disappear on upgrade from breezy to dapper" [High,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51038
[06:52] <pitti> mdz: oh, right, that too :)
[06:53] <mdz> pitti: both acked
[07:02] <pitti> mdz: can you please nudge these two uploads through the queue?
[07:06] <mako> Yagisan: hah :)
[07:06] <kdefreak> when was deadline for suggesting new packages/versions?
[07:06] <mako> Yagisan: i had what had grown into a rather large pile
[07:08] <Yagisan> mako: nice. If/When your next in Sydney we can meet again
[07:08] <Yagisan> alternatively hope I win lotto and I'll see you at the next Ubuntu conference.
[07:09] <mako> Yagisan: do you play the lotto?
[07:09] <Yagisan> on occasion.
[07:10] <mako> well, then at least it's a non-zero chance
[07:10] <Yagisan> although my chances are astronomically small.
[07:10] <mako> that's right
[07:10] <mako> i own a book on how to win the lotto
[07:10] <Yagisan> run the machines and sell your own tickets
[07:11] <mako> that would have been a much more useful book than the one i own
[07:11] <mako> this one was incorrect
[07:12] <Yagisan> heh, blackjack and a good memory can get some money. Pity I have neither a good memory, or rain man.
[07:13] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:14] <sladen> Yagisan: you could always hitch to the next Ubuntu conference
[07:14] <jsgotangco> there's a lotto outlet just in front of my house
[07:15] <Yagisan> sladen: which is where ?
[07:15] <sladen> Yagisan: well, hitch to where ever it is
[07:17] <jsgotangco> hitch on a plane?
[07:20] <mdz> pitti: done
[07:20] <pitti> thanks
[07:29] <jdub> mdz: might've missed a response
[07:30] <jdub> boh
[07:32] <jdub> mdz: did you get my last messages?
[07:36] <mdz> jdub: no
[07:36] <jdub> mdz: who is our scim point person?
[07:37] <mdz> jdub: mvo is probably most familiar with it, though none of us are experts
[07:38] <jdub> there's a meeting about xkb, gnome and i18n issues (particularly related to keyboard configuration) coming up in an hour and a half
[07:40] <mdz> unfortunate timing
[07:40] <mdz> it's friday evening for europe
[07:40] <jdub> yeah :|
[07:41] <fabbione> jdub: try to text Mithrandir ?
[07:41] <fabbione> he knows about keyboard config stuff
[07:42] <fabbione> perhaps he can partecipate
[08:30] <jdub> dholbach: ping
[08:30] <dholbach> jdub: pong
[08:30] <jdub> dholbach: hey - do you happen to have a rebuilt ekiga deb lying around?
[08:30] <dholbach> you're so lazy
[08:30] <dholbach> lemme have a look
[08:30] <ogra> i just tried to build on ppc
[08:31] <dholbach> i386?
[08:31] <ogra> :(
[08:31] <jdub> dholbach: yeah
[08:31] <jdub> dholbach: i would have to download a lot and fix things up afterward due to depends b0rk :)
[08:31] <dholbach> suuuure :-p
[08:32] <ogra> yeah, libgnomeui-dev is still not built ...
[08:32] <ogra> it seems
[08:34] <dholbach> jdub, ogra: building it on i386
[08:34] <ogra> i have no i386 around :( ... all packed in boxes
[08:34] <dholbach> i can't build you a powerpc deb sorry
[08:34] <ogra> i know
[08:35] <dholbach> the memory in my powerpc box is broken
[08:35] <dholbach> i ordered new one and it doesn't seem to take 512 mb bars
[08:35] <dholbach> GAR
[08:35] <ogra> if it would be only libgnomeui i'd do it myself, but i suspect its the whole rest of the stack
[08:35] <dholbach> so don't mention powerpc fuckup to me
[08:35] <ogra> since when do you have a ppc ? 
[08:35] <ogra> you didnt tell :)
[08:35] <dholbach> a very old one, 2 months ago
[08:36] <dholbach> just good enough to testbuild stuff or run xubuntu
[08:36] <ogra> yep
[08:40] <dholbach> jdub: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/
[08:43] <bddebian> Later folks
[08:43] <dholbach> jdub_: http://daniel.holba.ch/temp/
[08:44] <jdub_> dholbach: thanks!
[08:44] <dholbach> de rien
[08:45] <pygi> jdub, what exactly would this mean: "Need travel assistance? " on that submit paper thingie? :)
[08:45] <jdub> pygi: if you think you'll need financial assistance to get to lca
[08:46] <pygi> jdub, oki, thanks ^_^
[08:47] <jdub> dholbach: heh, didn't avoid the evolution-exchange/ubuntu-desktop b0rk after all ;)
[08:47] <dholbach> shit happens, hm? :)
[08:48] <jdub> EDGY LOVES US!
[08:48] <zul> ill hug and pet him and take care of him and call him george
[08:52] <ivoks> i think my laptop battery just died :/
[08:53] <Burgwork> pygi, why not talk about pitivi?
[08:55] <pygi> Burgwork, because I work on DIva development? :P
[08:55] <pygi> what's wrong with Diva? :)
[08:55] <elektranox> mh can anyone repair the libfreetype6-dev package? It has wrong dependencies: libfreetype6 ( = 2.1.10-1ubuntu2 )instead of  ( = 2.1.10-1ubuntu2.1)
[08:56] <Burgwork> nothing, but pitivi actually has a release out
[08:56] <pygi> Burgwork, hm, Diva also has a release? :)
[08:56] <Burgwork> not packaged
[08:57] <pygi> that's true, but it will be as soon as 0.0.3 is out
[09:00] <sivang> pygi: you are going to lca ? :)
[09:02] <pygi> sivang, might happen, but very unlikely
[09:03] <Mithrandir> elektranox: no, it doesn't.  Freetype in edgy is 2.2.1-2.
[09:03] <pygi> sivang, why you ask? :P
[09:05] <LaserJock> hmm, if a Debian package has moved from main to non-free will it correspondingly go from Universe to Multiverse?
[09:05] <LaserJock> or do I need to poke ubuntu-archive
[09:06] <sivang> pygi: no special reason, I know it's very esteemed conference and people say they've enjoyed there. I would like to visit it someday
[09:06] <pygi> ok, please register with freenode so you could see my pm' :P
[09:07] <sivang> (we have lci but last time it happened I was too busy with work to attend, and I'm sure it's not near close to lca ;-) by terms of size, upstream people you get to meet, etc)
[09:08] <elektranox> Mithrandir: I've installed "2.1.10-1ubuntu2.1" and apt-get install libfreetype6 says that there are no newer packages
[09:09] <elektranox> Mithrandir: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libfreetype6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[09:10] <Amaranth> elektranox: reenable dapper-updates
[09:10] <Mithrandir> elektranox: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/freetype/2.2.1-2 claims to disagree with you.  Which mirror are you using?
[09:10] <Amaranth> elektranox: you got your freetype from there
[09:11] <elektranox> I use the german one
[09:13] <elektranox> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[09:15] <ogra>  well, looks out of sync
[09:16] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, ping
[09:16] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Hi
[09:17] <ogra> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/freetype/ has differnt content from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/freetype/
[09:17] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: I'm just about to go out - what's up?
[09:17] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, no nothing I'll ping you later so
[09:17] <AlinuxOS> or tommorow
[09:18] <AlinuxOS> ;)
[09:18] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, have some news about ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.
[09:21] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Cool. Tomorrow is good
[09:22] <jdub> mjg59: when i think about you, i touch myself.
[09:22] <LaserJock> yikes
[09:22] <rleigh> siretart: The version of schroot you packaged last week had an unintentional dchroot option parsing regression.  Please could you update to 0.99.2-2?
[09:23] <siretart> rleigh: thanks for notice, will remerge it
[09:23] <rleigh> Also, the config.guess in ubuntu appears to be 10 months out of date.  It's not often you see a patch reverting things! http://patches.ubuntu.com/s/schroot/schroot_0.99.0-1ubuntu1.patch
[09:24] <siretart> holla!
[09:25] <rleigh> siretart: 0.99.2-1 is in unstable; 0.99.2-2 will enter incoming in a few minutes (this is just a hppa-specific testsuite fix, so if ubuntu doesn't support hppa, 0.99.2-1 is just fine).
[09:25] <siretart> rleigh: there is an ubuntu hppa port, so I will merge it tomorrow, ok?
[09:25] <rleigh> siretart: Cool, thanks!
[09:26] <siretart> rleigh: btw, you don't happen to have a public VCS for schroot?
[09:26] <rleigh> siretart: Yes.  svn://svn.debian.org/svn/buildd-tools/trunk/schroot  The releases are all tagged under buildd-tools/tags.
[09:27] <siretart> rleigh: cool. will look into this tomorrow.
[09:29] <shaya> mdz: my bug descriptions aren't good enough for you? hmph. :)
[09:42] <dieman> is there a timeframe on firefox for -security on breezy/hoary?
[09:43] <tseng> "when it is done"
[09:43] <dieman> hrm
[09:43] <tseng> updating firefox is a huge challenge
[09:43] <dieman> i thought backporting had been agreed upon
[09:44] <dieman> anyhow, if its delayed, I'll just take care of it from my end
[09:50] <Mithrandir> mdz: is it on purpose you're not in #canonical?
[09:52] <LaserJock> Mithrandir: he must be hiding ;-)
[09:53] <mdz> Mithrandir: xchat has forgotten how to auto-join me there
[09:53] <mdz> and I've been rebooting today
[09:54] <HiddenWolf> Can someone with a clue toss some weight around on the zeroconf thread?
[09:55] <HiddenWolf> It's getting repetitive
[09:55] <jdub> i recommend changing the subject to "end of thread" and... ;)
[09:55] <shaya> btw, has anyone had problems w/ edgy's aptitude lately, or is it just me?
[09:56] <HiddenWolf> jdub: how about a message "this is a policy decision, let's put it up in front of the technical board?"
[09:56] <simira> shaya: it's just you
[09:57] <jdub> HiddenWolf: yeah
[11:29] <sharms> is there a schedule on the wiki about an updated dapper iso release?
[11:29] <tseng> I dont think we have ever done an updated iso release
[11:29] <tseng> there is only 6 months between releases
[11:30] <tseng> this is out first "LTS"
[11:30] <tseng> the wiki has a search feature btw
[11:30] <sharms> Just didn't know if there was going to be a "service" release since certain ppc users cannot use dapper without installing breezy, searched and didn't see thats why I asked
[11:31] <gnomefreak> tseng: i thought it was talked about do to the desktop-cd problems
[11:34] <Burgwork> afaik, there is a plan to reroll dapper around when edgy comes out
[11:34] <Burgwork> a "service pack 1" if you will
[11:48] <rleigh> siretart: While getting changes from the schroot SVN is fine, I would not recommend packaging it directly.  It needs bootstrapping with a development version of gettext, so I would prefer the release tarballs be used (which have been thoroughly tested by me, so are known to be good).