Command-Line Package Management with <application>apt</application>

[12:37] freenx [12:38] hmm usually ubotu is in this window :) sorry about that [12:38] !freenx [12:51] freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX [12:52] should the bot be here? [12:52] if we want it [12:53] do we want it? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:55] I wouldn't think so [12:56] we aren't support :-) [12:56] although it might be handy every once in a while to see what the bot is saying [12:56] LaserJock, I was about to say that [12:58] ompaul: do you know if there is a limit to how many channels the bot can be in? [12:59] LaserJock, there is but I don't think the bot will ever get close to it [01:00] ompaul: do you know what channels it is in? we were thinking of using it over in -motu [01:00] ask Seveas for it [01:01] k [01:01] you can't add all you can do is read but if you try to add that gets pumped into another channel and then it can be seen to be useful or emm not useful - the later gets ignored the former gets added [01:02] with the old version there were some (several tbh) issues of bot abuse [01:02] ok, so who does the adds? [01:03] a group of adders irc ops [01:03] ompaul: i recall that it was going to be configured to let people with ubuntu/member hostcloaks add factoids? [01:04] bimberi, don't know if that was done - must check lp for it [01:04] btw i'm not an op but do have edit rights [01:05] ompaul: k, well we are trying to get MOTU School geared up and there are some common questions, so it seem natural to use the bot [01:05] so he has extened it :) [01:05] ompaul: i think if you show yourself to be an editor of good character - not sure why i got in then :P [01:06] bimberi, your reputation preceeds you - he did it out of phear? ;-) [01:07] r o f l m a o [01:07] and on that note of comedy I must leave you [01:08] I suggest the questions be fired at Seveas or put them in via launchpad https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots [01:08] k [01:08] I must away === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal takes a gander at h.u.c/c/Security and begins to cry!!! [02:01] the Encryption stuff is to much [02:02] there are 5 pages of encryption, and now i am trying to figure out the possiblity of one giant merge [02:02] ya..one giant merge it will be [02:03] nice === nixternal don't like first person wiki tutorials [02:04] we need something that doesn't allow the use of "I" [02:04] on the wiki [02:04] no I, my, mine, ours, we, us, nothing like that [02:05] ok im definitely not going to do some wiki work for quite a while then === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] lol [02:06] it makes it hard to doctor up w/o the possibility of someone thinking im trying to steal their mojo [02:07] at least people are leaving their names and what not..so i always add them to ==== Authors ==== at the bottom of apage...if i toc level 3 then i don't have to worry about that getting in it...and they remain happy [02:07] hmm i didnt notice that next week is UVF [02:07] jeezz [02:07] yeah, that's why we're all up in arms [02:07] and legs and ponies [02:08] haha [02:08] ponies [02:08] the fridge pony quote and picture is killer...that poor child ;) [02:09] have one then http://futurepast.free.fr/you-are-my-pony.png [02:09] :D === nixternal goes huntin' for ponies [02:10] speaking of ponies.. jsgotangco you familiar with the burbs at all, like Bartlett? [02:11] hmm not so much im afraid...ill be travelling by fall though and hope to stay for a while there [02:11] well..i live out here, dupage county where bartlett is..and this week was their fest...so we went on the 4th for the fireworks and what not...and this little girl was walking around with a freakin' pet pony on a leash [02:12] haha [02:12] i had taken pics of a truck that flipped over and my batteries died on me...so i never go the pic [02:12] but....there are stables 2 miles from where i live..im going pony huntin' just for crimsun [02:13] i have never in my life seen a kid walking around with a pony on a leash like it was a pet [02:14] hmm wonder whats with the forums [02:14] i rarely go there and i get to have a chance now and i get a popup login dialog === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Taim [n=taim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.159.11.21.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:24] where are ubuntu.com page issues reported? === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:29] whats up Madpilot [06:29] a cold gin & tonic [06:29] heheh [06:29] nixternal: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+filebug === nixternal misses drinking [06:29] ty bimberi [06:29] i have been pulling out my hair for that one [06:29] i was so close too [06:29] nixternal: np :) === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] Can anyone recommend a DocBook validator? [07:13] the script in svn doesn't work for you? [07:14] ah! it was staring me in the face [07:14] thanks jsgotangco [07:14] i use the plugin in kate [07:14] <-- newbie === nixternal too mpt don't feel bad === nixternal << newbie [07:15] oh kate has a validator plugin? [07:15] yeah === jsgotangco >> used to doing everything on the console === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-250-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === RichJ [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] Madpilot: moving wiki pages again? [08:31] hmm, not currently [08:31] why, are there some that should be moved? [08:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingInternetExplorer [08:32] ick. [08:32] I'll move it in a moment [08:33] Is there some method for ensuring new content doesnt get created on w.u.c? [08:33] I doubt I'd know this as an outsider. [08:33] not beyond big sticks and social engineering [08:33] Plug, not currently [08:39] Burgundavia, moved, and I'm contacting the author to let him know where his page went... [08:45] thanks [08:46] one thing that interested me - after the switch to help.u.c/c, we suddenly aquired a whole different batch of wiki contributors - different names in RecentChanges [08:47] not sure if it was the novelty value, or what, but it was interesting [08:47] morning [08:47] hi mdke [08:50] ooh, new forum look [08:50] noticed that - it looks half-finished, imo [08:50] nice though [08:51] it doesn't look right in epiphany, it doesn't use the whole screen. but i'm happy that the look is getting closer [08:51] they are migrating to a more consistent look [08:52] ahh, i thought they might be trying to cut down on traffic :) [08:53] Should superced wikipages show something like "This page has been moved to help.ubuntu.com. Redirecting..." on them? I realise the action makes that obvious but still. === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:54] *superceded [08:56] sheesh, s/c/s/ [08:56] bimberi: we haven't done that so far, they just redirect instantly [08:58] hm. opra through apt. [08:59] mdke: kk, just thowing it in there [08:59] opra? [08:59] bimberi: it probably would have been a good idea, but it's too late now [08:59] bimberi: opera [08:59] it's not in apt though, it is in app-install-data-commercial [09:00] ah, i wandered what that package was === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["so] [09:01] mdke: thanks, i did know, i just like to rib Kamping_Kaiser's typing :) [09:01] heh [09:02] bimberi, :| [09:03] need sleep - later, all [09:09] Burgundavia: I've made a group for getting bug notifications about the website, if you're interested it is ubuntu-website === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:16] mdke: perfect, thanks === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn4.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:32] night all === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tristanbob_ [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-234-127.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:02] who knows anything about edubuntu documentation? [11:03] you can ask pygi i haven't been involved with the cookbook for months [11:03] i dont get the idea either, they can even use bzr on LP even [11:03] there was just a post about cookbook [11:03] how may I help? :) [11:04] pygi: do you know what the cookbook team has against working with the documentation team? [11:04] oh, that was mdke's :) [11:04] mdke, if you are reffering to Robin Shepards mail to list, he's so wrong [11:04] I'm concerned about this [11:04] I intend to respond to his mail later today [11:05] The last item was the location of the repository, LaserJock kindly [11:05] offered use of the Doc Team repo but HedgeMage politely declined and [11:05] will be setting up a temporary repo on her server" [11:05] yes, saw that [11:05] that's a "lie" [11:05] eh? [11:05] oh, hedgemage is involved? [11:05] I'll have a chat to her if you want [11:06] rob, don't worry, she hasnt declined nothing [11:06] ah ok [11:06] I hope you do use the docteam repo [11:06] ofcourse we will, no worries [11:06] :) [11:06] isn't the work already under way on the wiki? [11:07] mdke, right, but we will put all in docteam repo [11:07] hey btw I'm backporting Democracy Player for Dapper, do you mind if I document it on the wiki? [11:07] continuing on the wiki is also an option... and then converting it to docbook when it is nearly ready [11:07] that way it gets published in both places [11:07] will talk to you later mdke about then, and will respond to list ASAP [11:08] pygi: great, thanks. I'd be really happy to help [11:09] rob, unless it is something illegal, I don't see how we could have any objection to you adding documentation! [11:09] nah, its awesome [11:09] free legal internet tv with a GPL app [11:10] http://www.getdemocracy.com/ [11:10] does democracy still have those mad moz deps [11:10] umm let me chec [11:10] check [11:11] yes [11:11] although its in edgy now with those [11:11] I'll see if I can work around them [11:13] mdke, ok, responded to list [11:13] talk to you later [11:14] thanks! [11:27] pygi: other thing is that some of the relevant wiki pages appear not to have moved to help.u.c/community [11:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters [11:28] and I'm not sure of the difference between that and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-201.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:15] ugh [12:16] I get a "Warning: Unresponsive script" error whenever I load a page in yelp [12:19] mpt: a particular page? [12:19] mdke, happens for every page in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, but not for any other doc [12:20] that's as much as I've narrowed it down so far... [12:20] doesn't happen with the Server Guide, for example [12:20] odd, seems to work fine here, and I didn't see any other bug reports about it [12:21] actually, doesn't happen in the "Getting Started" section [12:21] it only happens in the "Adding, Removing and Updating Applications" section [12:22] that narrows it down to one file, I guess [12:22] doesn't happen on that section's table of contents === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.45.72] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:22] yes, although I still cant reproduce it [12:23] ok, it happens for every page in that section, and not for any pages I can find in any other section [12:24] what locale? [12:24] C [12:24] ... I assume [12:24] How would I tell? [12:24] if it's english, it's C, there don't appear to be any variants of english for the desktop guide [12:24] hmm [12:25] do " xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml" [12:25] any errors? [12:25] no [12:26] aha [12:26] validation errors for add-applications.xml [12:26] have you edited that file? [12:26] They're all of the form "IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "_______" [12:27] when you run it on desktopguide.xml? [12:27] no, as I said, there are no errors for desktopguide.xml, but there are validation errors for add-applications.xml [12:27] which is the section that's hanging yelp [12:27] that's not the problem [12:28] if you validate a single file, naturally it can't find references to sections in other files [12:28] oh, I see [12:28] it's only desktopguide.xml that should work [12:28] all the other sections have the same errors [12:28] and desktopguide.xml does indeed work === mdke nods === tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:32] mpt: no idea Im afraid, must be a yelp bug of some kind === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-229-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt looks to see how to make a link to another section [12:37] its called an xref === tristanbob_ [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:38] ok, xref doesn't let me customize the link text [12:39] aha, === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-229-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:40] mpt: you should use for cross references. the link text comes from the title of the section you are linking to === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-229-222.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:41] mdke, yes, I'll use that except where I want custom link text [12:42] mpt: it's generally nice to keep cross referencing consistent though [12:43] well, I suspect that depends :-) [12:43] I haven't come up with a good example yet, though [12:43] mdke, you have time? [12:43] (an example of where custom text would be appropriate, I mean) [12:44] pygi: a bit [12:44] okay, so about that "second" Cookbook, that was started way earlier and was never finished [12:44] about those two pages that need moving, please do so ^_^ [12:45] there, I hope I was short enough ^_^ [12:46] pygi, thanks [12:46] so I am not sure if we should really move that one, considering it's not finished [12:47] but it has some useful material perhaps [12:47] no, thank you mdke :) [12:47] mpt: the reason we tend to insist on xrefs being used is that when the documents are translated, the titles get automatically translated, whereas I dont think that is true if you use a customised link text [12:48] or maybe they do... /me thinks === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:51] ugh :-( [12:52] mpt: how are you doing the link? [12:52] mdke, I'm in Adding, Removing, and etc -> Introduction [12:52] which lists the three main package managers [12:52] and I want to link each of them to their section === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:53] so, - The simplest way to install and uninstall programs. [12:53] That should produce a link with the text "Add/Remove Programs" [12:53] Instead, it produces a link with the text "Section 2.2 ? Add/Remove Applications" [12:54] mpt_: that is because the yelp stylesheets add the "section 2.2" bit [12:54] So, can we remove that? [12:54] It's relevant when printing [12:54] but not for on-screen help [12:54] or will I have to use instead [12:55] I would have thought that is possible, yeah [12:55] I'm not sure how Yelp printing works... === mpt_ wonders why ubuntu/default.css begins with the text "KDE-wide default CSS..." [12:56] mpt_: link text should work fine [12:57] ok [01:00] actually, that is a hell of a lot better than xref === mdke updates index-mdke.xml accordingly [01:02] :-) === mdke deletes ubuntu/default.css too [01:04] It's unused? === mpt_ wonders if is really DocBook's closest equivalent to HTML's [01:05] Rocking! [01:05] DocBook has a element that's not displayed by default [01:06] Now if only the search function can be taught to pay attention to it ... === mpt_ reports a bug [01:06] very nice [01:06] does it not do that already? [01:07] doesn't look like it [01:07] I added fqwhgads to add-applications-introduction, but still got 0 results when searching for that word === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:13] Bleh, I have to go foobar [01:13] I suppose foo, bar... would be too easy [01:14] or even [01:14] yeah [01:14] since they're not going to be formatted at all [01:14] and that would reduce the need for styling, too [01:16] And now that I'm using the correct syntax, the keywords are shown in plain sight! === mpt_ bangs his head against the style sheet [01:17] mdke, where's the best place to report bugs against the default styling? [01:17] for yelp? [01:17] yes [01:17] for yelp in Ubuntu [01:18] afaik, on yelp upstream under the stylesheets component [01:23] hmm [01:23] What Is A Package Manager? [01:23] What is a Package Manager? [01:24] What is a package manager? [01:24] ? [01:24] sorry === mpt_ should carry out capitalization experiments in the privacy of his own text editor :-) [01:24] hehe === mvirkkil prefers all upper case and with some extra question marks: WHAT IS A PACKAGE MANAGER???!?!!1? [01:32] mpt_: Could you use that style? [01:32] *.mvirkill {text-transform: uppercase;} [01:33] .mvirkill title::after {content: '!?!!?!1'} [01:39] mpt_: lol. I was just coming back to suggest that second line. [01:39] well, then, sorry for stealing your comeback line ;-) [01:40] mpt_: Too bad there isn't a text-transform: l33t; or 1337, yet [01:40] I could probably hack one up in javascript though.. [01:41] that would be uncool [01:41] :P [01:41] yeah.. Maybe write an xslt instead. [01:41] mvirkkil, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Apr/0012.html [01:42] mpt_: :D [01:44]

[01:44] etc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:45] and naturally === mpt_ is glad he doesn't know XSL === mvirkkil wonders if he could get that in to the docbook->moin xslt as an easter egg. [01:53] reported http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346873 about hiding the section numbers [01:53] Gnome bug 346873 in stylesheets "Don't display section numbers on screen" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-252-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:57] "To launch Add/Remove Applications click Applications -> Add/Remove Applications on the desktop menu system." === mpt_ goes hunting for this "desktop menu system" [02:00] And the menu item isn't even called "Add/Remove Applications" :-( === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/KampingKaiser/x-3453498] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:35] a containing only one [02:35] mdke, any drawbacks to deleting the tags? === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy is now known as matthewrevell [02:56] iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's synchronboy! [02:57] mpt_: :) [02:57] sounds like something from The Incredibles [02:57] That's my silenceisdefeat.org login - I try to change my nick before anyone notices :) === mpt_ reports another Yelp bug === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:08] mpt_: well, the drawback is that you will have whatever was contained in the second level section in a first level section. It may get chunked differently [03:08] mdke, there was nothing else in the first level section [03:09] add-applications.xml, line 62 or thereabouts [03:09] ... [03:10] mpt_: the apt section? [03:10] yes [03:10] apt is only one type of command line packaging managing, so it kinda makes sense to keep the in case we find time to document others, which we probably should [03:10] I know have Command-Line Package Management with <application>apt</application> [03:11] s/know/now/ [03:11] If the others are documented it will take about 20 seconds to add it back in [03:11] until then, it looks weird :-) [03:13] how about adding a placeholder for aptitude, and an introduction to give the sect1 some context? [03:15] because I don't know anything about aptitude :-D [03:15] (though I have occasionally followed recipes that included it) [03:16] enough to add a section title though right? [03:16] If we had a section for aptitude, it should be a anyway [03:17] After all, we don't have Graphical package managers Add/Remove Programs Synaptic , do we [03:18] If there were more than a dozen package managers (perish the thought!), we might need to start categorizing them [03:18] ahhhhh, that's beautiful [03:19] Section 2.5.2 tells you to install use .rpm files [03:19] step 1: "Install the alien program (Chapter 2 - Adding, Removing and Updating Applications)" [03:20] For ten points, what's wrong with this picture? :-) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:20] ("tells you to install use" -> "tells you how to install" - my fingers aren't behaving tonight) [03:22] what's wrong with it? [03:22] it's referring you to chapter 2 [03:22] but you're already in chapter 2! [03:23] ah [03:23] and the only way to use alien is with the command line === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-239.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:23] so there's no point in considering the possibility that you might want to install alien with a graphical package manager [03:23] that's just delaying the inevitable :-) === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:30] mpt_: true, although thats just our standard wording for installing applications, which is intended to be package-manager-non-specific [03:30] mdke, I realize that, it was just inappropriate here [03:41] hmm [03:42] mdke, when I choose "File" -> "About This Document" in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide I get an error [03:42] is that the fault of yelp? [03:43] C> grep x-yelp-titlepage * [03:43] C> [03:43] no, looks like it's the Guide's fault [03:45] hmm, I tried changing to , and that stops the error, but it doesn't show that section [03:45] how *do* you see that list of contributors? it's not in the ToC that I can see [04:00] mpt_: I don't get the error [04:00] works fine [04:00] You get the list of contributors, mdke? [04:00] yes [04:00] and you don't get the script errors [04:01] hmmm, something messed up on my system [04:01] either from file->About this document, or from clicking About This Document in the bottom left of the contents page for the guide [04:01] in the latest svn version? [04:02] no, in the version installed on my system [04:02] works on the svn version too [04:02] although they are probably identical :) [04:05] mdke, does the version you have include id="x-yelp-titlepage" anywhere? [04:06] mpt_: no, that is all meta stuff generated by yelp [04:06] hrmmm [04:06] it's the bit that is "About this document", broadly speaking [04:06] Yelp 2.14.2? === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:06] mpt_: yes [04:07] mysteriouser and mysteriouser [04:08] "click the burn Burn Data CD", oy [04:16] "... Rhythmbox Music Player, which looks similar to iTunes..." [04:16] "... Totem Movie Player which looks and functions similar [sic] to Windows Media Player ..." [04:16] I smell an inferiority complex :-) === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy is now known as matthewrevell === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-230-219.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-252-185.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-255-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:24] die, ye procedure steps that aren't part of the procedure === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [05:55] And again! === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-255-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:25] And no, you aren't a procedure either [06:25] Your steps are mutually exclusive! [06:26] mpt_, who are you talking to? [06:26] I'm talking to config-system.xml [06:28] lol === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-255-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ wonders how to get a wordcount of a DocBook document [06:33] convert to plain text and use wc ? :-) [06:33] convert to plain text how? [06:34] isn't there some docbook2x or something [06:37] gnome-doc-utils [06:38] debiandoc2dbxml [06:38] hm. i swear i convereted to text, just dont remmber how [06:38] LaserJock: ^^ [06:38] Kamping_Kaiser: docbook-utils perhaps [06:39] maybe *shrugs* === Kamping_Kaiser has a laptop with dying hdd on his hands, hes not worring about docbook atm :) [06:39] with its insane amount of deps [06:40] wow, thats got a 2html thing *tries it out* [06:44] jsgotangco, you installed it recently? [06:44] its always part of my arsenal [06:45] should i expect it to throw lots of numbers onto the screen during install? [06:45] hm. htey all say ok, so i suppose its fine [06:45] expect around 30MB+ of deps [06:48] No, you're not part of that procedure, stand still while I confiscate your tags [06:51] To configure your layouts, buy a La-Z-Boy. === LaserJock nervously works hoping mpt forgets about the packaging guide ;-) [06:53] it seems as if you cannot add a watermark image as a table background..is this shut off in the wiki, or am i missing something [06:54] nixternal, || ? === nixternal tries that [06:59] "Some [wireless] cards may not work automatically with Ubuntu. If this is the case, please look at the Wireless Troubleshooting Guide on the Ubuntu Wiki..." [06:59] oooooh, that's evil === LaserJock can also tell he is not a writer [07:00] it's not the writing [07:00] it's that it's referring you to a page that's on the Internet :-( [07:00] That page will need to be copied from the wiki into the help [07:01] mpt...don't ask me..but the way i was doing it, all of a sudden worked ;) [07:02] || http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=TableOfContents || [07:02] that works [07:03] That's what I wrote, just using the shortcut propertie [07:03] propertY! Y! [07:05] nixternal, more interestingly, why are you linking from (presumably) an Ubuntu-related wiki to a failing search on Wikipedia? [07:05] mpt...konversation did that [07:05] i put in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=TableOfContents [07:05] wow [07:05] that is stupid [07:06]