[12:37] <jrib> freenx
[12:38] <jrib> hmm usually ubotu is in this window :) sorry about that
[12:38] <Burgwork> !freenx
[12:51] <ompaul> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[12:52] <ompaul> should the bot be here?
[12:52] <Burgwork> if we want it
[12:53] <ompaul> do we want it?
[12:55] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think so
[12:56] <LaserJock> we aren't support :-)
[12:56] <LaserJock> although it might be handy every once in a while to see what the bot is saying
[12:56] <ompaul> LaserJock, I was about to say that 
[12:58] <LaserJock> ompaul: do you know if there is a limit to how many channels the bot can be in?
[12:59] <ompaul> LaserJock, there is but I don't think the bot will ever get close to it
[01:00] <LaserJock> ompaul: do you know what channels it is in? we were thinking of using it over in -motu
[01:00] <ompaul> ask Seveas for it 
[01:01] <LaserJock> k
[01:01] <ompaul> you can't add all you can do is read but if you try to add that gets pumped into another channel and then it can be seen to be useful or emm not useful - the later gets ignored the former gets added
[01:02] <ompaul> with the old version there were some (several tbh) issues of bot abuse
[01:02] <LaserJock> ok, so who does the adds?
[01:03] <ompaul> a group of adders irc ops 
[01:03] <bimberi> ompaul: i recall that it was going to be configured to let people with ubuntu/member hostcloaks add factoids?
[01:04] <ompaul> bimberi, don't know if that was done - must check lp for it 
[01:04] <bimberi> btw i'm not an op but do have edit rights
[01:05] <LaserJock> ompaul: k, well we are trying to get MOTU School geared up and there are some common questions, so it seem natural to use the bot
[01:05] <ompaul> so he has extened it :)
[01:05] <bimberi> ompaul: i think if you show yourself to be an editor of good character - not sure why i got in then :P
[01:06] <ompaul> bimberi, your reputation preceeds you - he did it out of phear? ;-)
[01:07] <bimberi> r o f l m a o
[01:07] <ompaul> and on that note of comedy I must leave you
[01:08] <ompaul> I suggest the questions be fired at Seveas or put them in via launchpad https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:08] <LaserJock> k
[01:08] <ompaul> I must away
[02:01] <nixternal> the Encryption stuff is to much
[02:02] <nixternal> there are 5 pages of encryption, and now i am trying to figure out the possiblity of one giant merge
[02:02] <nixternal> ya..one giant merge it will be
[02:03] <jsgotangco> nice
[02:04] <nixternal> we need something that doesn't allow the use of "I"
[02:04] <nixternal> on the wiki
[02:04] <nixternal> no I, my, mine, ours, we, us, nothing like that
[02:05] <jsgotangco> ok im definitely not going to do some wiki work for quite a while then
[02:05] <nixternal> lol
[02:06] <nixternal> it makes it hard to doctor up w/o the possibility of someone thinking im trying to steal their mojo
[02:07] <nixternal> at least people are leaving their names and what not..so i always add them to [02:07] <jsgotangco> hmm i didnt notice that next week is UVF
[02:07] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[02:07] <crimsun> yeah, that's why we're all up in arms
[02:07] <crimsun> and legs and ponies
[02:08] <nixternal> haha
[02:08] <nixternal> ponies
[02:08] <nixternal> the fridge pony quote and picture is killer...that poor child ;)
[02:09] <jsgotangco> have one then http://futurepast.free.fr/you-are-my-pony.png
[02:09] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:10] <nixternal> speaking of ponies.. jsgotangco you familiar with the burbs at all, like Bartlett?
[02:11] <jsgotangco> hmm not so much im afraid...ill be travelling by fall though and hope to stay for a while there
[02:11] <nixternal> well..i live out here, dupage county where bartlett is..and this week was their fest...so we went on the 4th for the fireworks and what not...and this little girl was walking around with a freakin' pet pony on a leash
[02:12] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:12] <nixternal> i had taken pics of a truck that flipped over and my batteries died on me...so i never go the pic
[02:12] <nixternal> but....there are stables 2 miles from where i live..im going pony huntin' just for crimsun
[02:13] <nixternal> i have never in my life seen a kid walking around with a pony on a leash like it was a pet
[02:14] <jsgotangco> hmm wonder whats with the forums
[02:14] <jsgotangco> i rarely go there and i get to have a chance now and i get a popup login dialog
[06:24] <nixternal> where are ubuntu.com page issues reported?
[06:29] <nixternal> whats up Madpilot
[06:29] <Madpilot> a cold gin & tonic
[06:29] <nixternal> heheh
[06:29] <bimberi> nixternal: https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+filebug
[06:29] <nixternal> ty bimberi
[06:29] <nixternal> i have been pulling out my hair for that one
[06:29] <nixternal> i was so close too
[06:29] <bimberi> nixternal: np :)
[07:11] <mpt> Can anyone recommend a DocBook validator?
[07:13] <jsgotangco> the script in svn doesn't work for you?
[07:14] <mpt> ah! it was staring me in the face
[07:14] <mpt> thanks jsgotangco 
[07:14] <nixternal> i use the plugin in kate
[07:14] <mpt> <-- newbie
[07:15] <jsgotangco> oh kate has a validator plugin?
[07:15] <crimsun> yeah
[08:31] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: moving wiki pages again?
[08:31] <Madpilot> hmm, not currently
[08:31] <Madpilot> why, are there some that should be moved?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingInternetExplorer
[08:32] <Madpilot> ick.
[08:32] <Madpilot> I'll move it in a moment
[08:33] <Plug> Is there some method for ensuring new content doesnt get created on w.u.c?
[08:33] <Plug> I doubt I'd know this as an outsider.
[08:33] <Burgundavia> not beyond big sticks and social engineering
[08:33] <Madpilot> Plug, not currently
[08:39] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, moved, and I'm contacting the author to let him know where his page went...
[08:45] <Burgundavia> thanks
[08:46] <Madpilot> one thing that interested me - after the switch to help.u.c/c, we suddenly aquired a whole different batch of wiki contributors - different names in RecentChanges
[08:47] <Madpilot> not sure if it was the novelty value, or what, but it was interesting
[08:47] <mdke> morning
[08:47] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[08:50] <mdke> ooh, new forum look
[08:50] <Madpilot> noticed that - it looks half-finished, imo
[08:50] <mdke> nice though
[08:51] <mdke> it doesn't look right in epiphany, it doesn't use the whole screen. but i'm happy that the look is getting closer
[08:51] <Burgundavia> they are migrating to a more consistent look
[08:52] <bimberi> ahh, i thought they might be trying to cut down on traffic :)
[08:53] <bimberi> Should superced wikipages show something like "This page has been moved to help.ubuntu.com.  Redirecting..." on them?  I realise the action makes that obvious but still.
[08:54] <bimberi> *superceded
[08:56] <bimberi> sheesh, s/c/s/
[08:56] <mdke> bimberi: we haven't done that so far, they just redirect instantly
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. opra through apt. 
[08:59] <bimberi> mdke: kk, just thowing it in there
[08:59] <bimberi> opra?
[08:59] <mdke> bimberi: it probably would have been a good idea, but it's too late now
[08:59] <mdke> bimberi: opera
[08:59] <mdke> it's not in apt though, it is in app-install-data-commercial
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, i wandered what that package was
[09:01] <bimberi> mdke: thanks, i did know, i just like to rib Kamping_Kaiser's typing :)
[09:01] <mdke> heh
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> bimberi, :| 
[09:03] <Madpilot> need sleep - later, all
[09:09] <mdke> Burgundavia: I've made a group for getting bug notifications about the website, if you're interested it is ubuntu-website
[09:16] <Burgundavia> mdke: perfect, thanks
[09:32] <Burgundavia> night all
[11:02] <mdke> who knows anything about edubuntu documentation?
[11:03] <jsgotangco> you can ask pygi i haven't been involved with the cookbook for months
[11:03] <jsgotangco> i dont get the idea either, they can even use bzr on LP even
[11:03] <crimsun> there was just a post about cookbook
[11:03] <pygi> how may I help? :)
[11:04] <mdke> pygi: do you know what the cookbook team has against working with the documentation team?
[11:04] <crimsun> oh, that was mdke's :)
[11:04] <pygi> mdke, if you are reffering to Robin Shepards mail to list, he's so wrong
[11:04] <mdke> I'm concerned about this
[11:04] <pygi> I intend to respond to his mail later today
[11:05] <mdke> The last item was the location of the repository, LaserJock kindly
[11:05] <mdke> offered use of the Doc Team repo but HedgeMage politely declined and
[11:05] <mdke> will be setting up a temporary repo on her server"
[11:05] <pygi> yes, saw that
[11:05] <pygi> that's a "lie"
[11:05] <mdke> eh?
[11:05] <rob> oh, hedgemage is involved?
[11:05] <rob> I'll have a chat to her if you want
[11:06] <pygi> rob, don't worry, she hasnt declined nothing
[11:06] <rob> ah ok
[11:06] <rob> I hope you do use the docteam repo
[11:06] <pygi> ofcourse we will, no worries
[11:06] <rob> :)
[11:06] <mdke> isn't the work already under way on the wiki?
[11:07] <pygi> mdke, right, but we will put all in docteam repo
[11:07] <rob> hey btw I'm backporting Democracy Player for Dapper, do you mind if I document it on the wiki?
[11:07] <mdke> continuing on the wiki is also an option... and then converting it to docbook when it is nearly ready
[11:07] <mdke> that way it gets published in both places
[11:07] <pygi> will talk to you later mdke about then, and will respond to list ASAP
[11:08] <mdke> pygi: great, thanks. I'd be really happy to help
[11:09] <mdke> rob, unless it is something illegal, I don't see how we could have any objection to you adding documentation!
[11:09] <rob> nah, its awesome
[11:09] <rob> free legal internet tv with a GPL app
[11:10] <rob> http://www.getdemocracy.com/
[11:10] <jsgotangco> does democracy still have those mad moz deps
[11:10] <rob> umm let me chec
[11:10] <rob> check
[11:11] <rob> yes
[11:11] <rob> although its in edgy now with those
[11:11] <rob> I'll see if I can work around them
[11:13] <pygi> mdke, ok, responded to list
[11:13] <pygi> talk to you later
[11:14] <mdke> thanks!
[11:27] <mdke> pygi: other thing is that some of the relevant wiki pages appear not to have moved to help.u.c/community
[11:27] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[11:28] <mdke> and I'm not sure of the difference between that and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[12:15] <mpt> ugh
[12:16] <mpt> I get a "Warning: Unresponsive script" error whenever I load a page in yelp
[12:19] <mdke> mpt: a particular page?
[12:19] <mpt> mdke, happens for every page in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, but not for any other doc
[12:20] <mpt> that's as much as I've narrowed it down so far...
[12:20] <mpt> doesn't happen with the Server Guide, for example
[12:20] <mdke> odd, seems to work fine here, and I didn't see any other bug reports about it
[12:21] <mpt> actually, doesn't happen in the "Getting Started" section
[12:21] <mpt> it only happens in the "Adding, Removing and Updating Applications" section
[12:22] <mpt> that narrows it down to one file, I guess
[12:22] <mpt> doesn't happen on that section's table of contents
[12:22] <mdke> yes, although I still cant reproduce it
[12:23] <mpt> ok, it happens for every page in that section, and not for any pages I can find in any other section
[12:24] <mdke> what locale?
[12:24] <mpt> C
[12:24] <mpt> ... I assume
[12:24] <mpt> How would I tell?
[12:24] <mdke> if it's english, it's C, there don't appear to be any variants of english for the desktop guide
[12:24] <mdke> hmm
[12:25] <mdke> do " xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml"
[12:25] <mdke> any errors?
[12:25] <mpt> no
[12:26] <mpt> aha
[12:26] <mpt> validation errors for add-applications.xml
[12:26] <mdke> have you edited that file?
[12:26] <mpt> They're all of the form "IDREF attribute linkend references an unknown ID "_______"
[12:27] <mdke> when you run it on desktopguide.xml?
[12:27] <mpt> no, as I said, there are no errors for desktopguide.xml, but there are validation errors for add-applications.xml
[12:27] <mpt> which is the section that's hanging yelp
[12:27] <mdke> that's not the problem
[12:28] <mdke> if you validate a single file, naturally it can't find references to sections in other files
[12:28] <mpt> oh, I see
[12:28] <mdke> it's only desktopguide.xml that should work
[12:28] <mpt> all the other sections have the same errors
[12:28] <mpt> and desktopguide.xml does indeed work
[12:32] <mdke> mpt: no idea Im afraid, must be a yelp bug of some kind
[12:37] <jsgotangco> its called an xref
[12:38] <mpt> ok, xref doesn't let me customize the link text
[12:39] <mpt> aha, <link>
[12:40] <mdke> mpt: you should use <xref linkend="id"/> for cross references. the link text comes from the title of the section you are linking to
[12:41] <mpt> mdke, yes, I'll use that except where I want custom link text
[12:42] <mdke> mpt: it's generally nice to keep cross referencing consistent though
[12:43] <mpt> well, I suspect that depends :-)
[12:43] <mpt> I haven't come up with a good example yet, though
[12:43] <pygi> mdke, you have time?
[12:43] <mpt> (an example of where custom text would be appropriate, I mean)
[12:44] <mdke> pygi: a bit
[12:44] <pygi> okay, so about that "second" Cookbook, that was started way earlier and was never finished
[12:44] <pygi> about those two pages that need moving, please do so ^_^
[12:45] <pygi> there, I hope I was short enough ^_^
[12:46] <mdke> pygi, thanks
[12:46] <pygi> so I am not sure if we should really move that one, considering it's not finished
[12:47] <pygi> but it has some useful material perhaps
[12:47] <pygi> no, thank you mdke :)
[12:47] <mdke> mpt: the reason we tend to insist on xrefs being used is that when the documents are translated, the titles get automatically translated, whereas I dont think that is true if you use a customised link text
[12:48] <mdke> or maybe they do... /me thinks
[12:51] <mpt_> ugh :-(
[12:52] <mdke> mpt: how are you doing the link?
[12:52] <mpt_> mdke, I'm in Adding, Removing, and etc -> Introduction
[12:52] <mpt_> which lists the three main package managers
[12:52] <mpt_> and I want to link each of them to their section
[12:53] <mpt_> so, <listitem><para><application<xref linkend="gnome-app-install" /></application> - The simplest way to install and uninstall programs.</para></listitem>
[12:53] <mpt_> That should produce a link with the text "Add/Remove Programs"
[12:53] <mpt_> Instead, it produces a link with the text "Section 2.2 ? Add/Remove Applications"
[12:54] <mdke> mpt_: that is because the yelp stylesheets add the "section 2.2" bit
[12:54] <mpt_> So, can we remove that?
[12:54] <mpt_> It's relevant when printing
[12:54] <mpt_> but not for on-screen help
[12:54] <mpt_> or will I have to use <link> instead
[12:55] <mdke> I would have thought that is possible, yeah
[12:55] <mdke> I'm not sure how Yelp printing works...
[12:56] <mdke> mpt_: <link linkend='id'>link text</link> should work fine
[12:57] <mpt_> ok
[01:00] <mdke> actually, that is a hell of a lot better than xref
[01:02] <mpt_> :-)
[01:04] <mpt_> It's unused?
[01:05] <mpt_> Rocking!
[01:05] <mpt_> DocBook has a <keyword> element that's not displayed by default
[01:06] <mpt_> Now if only the search function can be taught to pay attention to it ...
[01:06] <mdke> very nice
[01:06] <mdke> does it not do that already?
[01:07] <mpt_> doesn't look like it
[01:07] <mpt_> I added <keyword>fqwhgads</keyword> to add-applications-introduction, but still got 0 results when searching for that word
[01:13] <mpt_> Bleh, I have to go <sect2><sect2info><keywordset><keyword>foo</keyword><keyword>bar</keyword></keywordset></sect2info></sect2>
[01:13] <mpt_> I suppose <sect2><keywords>foo, bar</keywords>...</sect2> would be too easy
[01:14] <mdke> or even <sect2 id="foo" keywords="bar,foobar"></sect2>
[01:14] <mpt_> yeah
[01:14] <mpt_> since they're not going to be formatted at all
[01:14] <mpt_> and that would reduce the need for styling, too
[01:16] <mpt_> And now that I'm using the correct syntax, the keywords are shown in plain sight!
[01:17] <mpt_> mdke, where's the best place to report bugs against the default styling?
[01:17] <mdke> for yelp?
[01:17] <mpt_> yes
[01:17] <mpt_> for yelp in Ubuntu
[01:18] <mdke> afaik, on yelp upstream under the stylesheets component
[01:23] <mpt_> hmm
[01:23] <mpt_> What Is A Package Manager?
[01:23] <mpt_> What is a Package Manager?
[01:24] <mpt_> What is a package manager?
[01:24] <rob> ?
[01:24] <mpt_> sorry
[01:24] <rob> hehe
[01:32] <mvirkkil> mpt_: Could you use that style?
[01:32] <mpt_> *.mvirkill {text-transform: uppercase;}
[01:33] <mpt_> .mvirkill title::after {content: '!?!!?!1'}
[01:39] <mvirkkil> mpt_: lol. I was just coming back to suggest that second line.
[01:39] <mpt_> well, then, sorry for stealing your comeback line ;-)
[01:40] <mvirkkil> mpt_: Too bad there isn't a text-transform: l33t; or 1337, yet
[01:40] <mvirkkil> I could probably hack one up in javascript though.. 
[01:41] <rob> that would be uncool
[01:41] <rob> :P
[01:41] <mvirkkil> yeah.. Maybe write an xslt instead.
[01:41] <mpt_> mvirkkil, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Apr/0012.html
[01:42] <mvirkkil> mpt_: :D
[01:44] <mvirkkil> <xsl:value-of select="translate(text(),'e','3')"/>
[01:44] <mvirkkil> etc
[01:45] <mvirkkil> and naturally <xsl:value-of select="translate(text(), '.', '!!1!!!1!!1one!!')"/>
[01:53] <mpt_> reported http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346873 about hiding the section numbers
[01:53] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 346873 in stylesheets "Don't display section numbers on screen" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:57] <mpt_> "To launch Add/Remove Applications click Applications -> Add/Remove Applications on the desktop menu system."
[02:00] <mpt_> And the menu item isn't even called "Add/Remove Applications" :-(
[02:35] <mpt_> a <sect1> containing only one <sect2>
[02:35] <mpt_> mdke, any drawbacks to deleting the <sect2></sect2> tags?
[02:56] <mpt_> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's synchronboy!
[02:57] <matthewrevell> mpt_: :)
[02:57] <mpt_> sounds like something from The Incredibles
[02:57] <matthewrevell> That's my silenceisdefeat.org login - I try to change my nick before anyone notices :)
[03:08] <mdke> mpt_: well, the drawback is that you will have whatever was contained in the second level section in a first level section. It may get chunked differently
[03:08] <mpt_> mdke, there was nothing else in the first level section
[03:09] <mpt_> add-applications.xml, line 62 or thereabouts
 ... </sect2></sect1>
[03:10] <mdke> mpt_: the apt section?
[03:10] <mpt_> yes
[03:10] <mdke> apt is only one type of command line packaging managing, so it kinda makes sense to keep the <sect2> in case we find time to document others, which we probably should
[03:10] <mpt_> I know have <sect1 id="apt"...><title>Command-Line Package Management with <application>apt</application></title>
[03:11] <mpt_> s/know/now/
[03:11] <mpt_> If the others are documented it will take about 20 seconds to add it back in
[03:11] <mpt_> until then, it looks weird :-)
[03:13] <mdke> how about adding a placeholder for aptitude, and an introduction to give the sect1 some context?
[03:15] <mpt_> because I don't know anything about aptitude :-D
[03:15] <mpt_> (though I have occasionally followed recipes that included it)
[03:16] <mdke> enough to add a section title though right?
[03:16] <mpt_> If we had a section for aptitude, it should be a <sect1> anyway
[03:17] <mpt_> After all, we don't have <sect1>Graphical package managers <sect2>Add/Remove Programs</sect2> <sect2>Synaptic</sect2> </sect1>, do we
[03:18] <mpt_> If there were more than a dozen package managers (perish the thought!), we might need to start categorizing them
[03:18] <mpt_> ahhhhh, that's beautiful
[03:19] <mpt_> Section 2.5.2 tells you to install use .rpm files
[03:19] <mpt_> step 1: "Install the alien program (Chapter 2 - Adding, Removing and Updating Applications)"
[03:20] <mpt_> For ten points, what's wrong with this picture? :-)
[03:20] <mpt_> ("tells you to install use" -> "tells you how to install" - my fingers aren't behaving tonight)
[03:22] <mdke> what's wrong with it?
[03:22] <mpt_> it's referring you to chapter 2
[03:22] <mpt_> but you're already in chapter 2!
[03:23] <mdke> ah
[03:23] <mpt_> and the only way to use alien is with the command line
[03:23] <mpt_> so there's no point in considering the possibility that you might want to install alien with a graphical package manager
[03:23] <mpt_> that's just delaying the inevitable :-)
[03:30] <mdke> mpt_: true, although thats just our standard wording for installing applications, which is intended to be package-manager-non-specific
[03:30] <mpt_> mdke, I realize that, it was just inappropriate here
[03:41] <mpt_> hmm
[03:42] <mpt_> mdke, when I choose "File" -> "About This Document" in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide I get an error
[03:42] <jjesse> is that the fault of yelp?
[03:43] <mpt_> C> grep x-yelp-titlepage *
[03:43] <mpt_> C>
[03:43] <mpt_> no, looks like it's the Guide's fault
[03:45] <mpt_> hmm, I tried changing <legalnotice id="Credits-And-License"> to <legalnotice id="x-yelp-titlepage">, and that stops the error, but it doesn't show that section
[03:45] <mpt_> how *do* you see that list of contributors? it's not in the ToC that I can see
[04:00] <mdke> mpt_: I don't get the error
[04:00] <mdke> works fine
[04:00] <mpt_> You get the list of contributors, mdke?
[04:00] <mdke> yes
[04:00] <mpt_> and you don't get the script errors
[04:01] <mpt_> hmmm, something messed up on my system
[04:01] <mdke> either from file->About this document, or from clicking About This Document in the bottom left of the contents page for the guide
[04:01] <mpt_> in the latest svn version?
[04:02] <mdke> no, in the version installed on my system
[04:02] <mdke> works on the svn version too
[04:02] <mdke> although they are probably identical :)
[04:05] <mpt_> mdke, does the version you have include id="x-yelp-titlepage" anywhere?
[04:06] <mdke> mpt_: no, that is all meta stuff generated by yelp
[04:06] <mpt_> hrmmm
[04:06] <mdke> it's the <bookinfo> bit that is "About this document", broadly speaking
[04:06] <mpt_> Yelp 2.14.2?
[04:06] <mdke> mpt_: yes
[04:07] <mpt_> mysteriouser and mysteriouser
[04:08] <mpt_> "click the burn Burn Data CD", oy
[04:16] <mpt_> "... Rhythmbox Music Player, which looks similar to iTunes..."
[04:16] <mpt_> "... Totem Movie Player which looks and functions similar [sic]  to Windows Media Player ..."
[04:16] <mpt_> I smell an inferiority complex :-)
[05:24] <mpt_> die, ye procedure steps that aren't part of the procedure
[05:55] <mpt_> And again!
[06:25] <mpt_> And no, you aren't a procedure either
[06:25] <mpt_> Your steps are mutually exclusive!
[06:26] <Burgwork> mpt_, who are you talking to?
[06:26] <mpt_> I'm talking to config-system.xml
[06:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:33] <LaserJock> convert to plain text and use wc ? :-)
[06:33] <mpt_> convert to plain text how?
[06:34] <LaserJock> isn't there some docbook2x or something
[06:37] <jsgotangco> gnome-doc-utils
[06:38] <jsgotangco> debiandoc2dbxml
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i swear i convereted to text, just dont remmber how
[06:38] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: ^^
[06:38] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: docbook-utils perhaps
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> maybe *shrugs*
[06:39] <jsgotangco> with its insane amount of deps
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow, thats got a 2html thing *tries it out*
[06:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco, you installed it recently?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> its always part of my arsenal
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> should i expect it to throw lots of numbers onto the screen during install?
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. htey all say ok, so i suppose its fine
[06:45] <jsgotangco> expect around 30MB+ of deps
[06:48] <mpt_> No, you're not part of that procedure, stand still while I confiscate your <step></step> tags
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[06:53] <nixternal> it seems as if you cannot add a watermark image as a table background..is this shut off in the wiki, or am i missing something
[06:54] <mpt_> nixternal, ||<tablestyle="background-image: url('whatever');"> ?
[06:59] <mpt_> "Some [wireless]  cards may not work automatically with Ubuntu. If this is the case, please look at the Wireless Troubleshooting Guide on the Ubuntu Wiki..."
[06:59] <mpt_> oooooh, that's evil
[07:00] <mpt_> it's not the writing
[07:00] <mpt_> it's that it's referring you to a page that's on the Internet :-(
[07:00] <mpt_> That page will need to be copied from the wiki into the help
[07:01] <nixternal> mpt...don't ask me..but the way i was doing it, all of a sudden worked ;)
[07:02] <nixternal> ||<style="text-align: left; background: white url(/here/here?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu.png) no-repeat bottom right"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=TableOfContents ||
[07:02] <nixternal> that works
[07:03] <mpt_> That's what I wrote, just using the shortcut propertie
[07:03] <mpt_> propertY! Y!
[07:05] <mpt_> nixternal, more interestingly, why are you linking from (presumably) an Ubuntu-related wiki to a failing search on Wikipedia?
[07:05] <nixternal> mpt...konversation did that
[07:05] <nixternal> i put in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=TableOfContents
[07:05] <nixternal> wow
[07:05] <nixternal> that is stupid
[07:06] <nixternal> i did http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Table``Of``Contents and that was displayed
[07:06] <nixternal> omg
[07:06] <mpt_> konversation ate your ``s?
[07:06] <nixternal> it isn't linked..it is a TableOfContents, but when i do [[ ] ]  it links to wiki
[07:07] <mpt_> So you write "TableOfContents" and Konversation says "oh, nixternal must be meaning to link to Wikipedia, even though Wikipedia hasn't used InterCaps since 2001"?
[07:07] <nixternal> haha ya
[07:08] <mpt_> oh! It's the [[ ] ]  it's interested in, not the InterCaps
[07:08] <nixternal> that is an issue with konvo though...it only happens when i try to paste the table of contents wiki tab though
[07:08] <mpt_> so, great for #wikipedia I guess
[07:08] <nixternal> exactly
[07:09] <nixternal> you know what..that would be a great feature when you do the [[ ] ]  that it links to our wiki
[07:10] <nixternal> you got mooned
[07:10] <mpt_> I noticed
[07:10] <nixternal> im using the latest nightly build we are working on for edgy
[07:11] <nixternal> i need to fix the mooning part...i think it doesn't work well with the CoC
[07:11] <nixternal> hehe
[07:11] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiTeam
[07:11] <nixternal> nice
[07:11] <nixternal> that makes everything so much easier
[07:12] <mpt_> "Search the databases at LinuxPrinting.org or check the Ubuntu Wiki's Printer page for possible information on your printer."
[07:12] <nixternal> no more typing the full thing now...just [[ ] ]  and put the page i want to show in between
[07:12] <mpt_> Translation: "Abandon all hope ye who enter here."
[07:12] <nixternal> haha
[07:15] <mpt_> oh, so THAT's where I see how much disk space I have left
[07:15] <mpt_> System -> Administration -> Disks -> enter password -> Hard Disk -> Partitions
[07:16] <mpt_> because clicking on a disk icon on the desktop and choosing File -> Get Info would be too easy
[07:17] <nixternal> lol
[07:17] <LaserJock> ewww, that sounds OSX-like :-)
[07:18] <mpt_> yes, that's the OS X method
[07:18] <mpt_> the Windows method is File > Properties
[07:18] <mpt_> much the same
[07:19] <mpt_> well, My Computer -> select disk -> File -> Properties
[07:33] <mpt_> "The Ubuntu community is comprised of developers, programmers, testers..." -- no it isn't, you can't be "comprised of" something
[07:35] <nixternal> rofl
[07:36] <nixternal> mpt_: everything alright?  what are you working on?
[07:36] <mpt_> getting-started.xml
[07:36] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:37] <mpt_> which continues in the proud Ubuntu tradition of misspelling Red Hat
[07:37] <nixternal> "The Ubuntu community is a collaboration of developers, programmers, testers....:
[07:37] <nixternal> ;)
[07:37] <mpt_> It's past my bedtime, can you tell?
[07:39] <mpt_> But, at least it doesn't refer to the non-existent Ubuntu Manifesto any more! :-) :-)
[07:44] <jsgotangco> me too
[07:44] <mpt_> jsgotangco, I think you'll find that doesn't work quite as well as lying in it
[07:45] <jsgotangco> i actually had a bottle of coke an hour ago and it seems to be working well
[07:47] <jeffsch> hmm... Webster's Ninth New Collegiate says this about "comprised of":
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[07:47] <jeffsch> Although it has been in use since the late 18th century, "comprised of" is still attacked as wrong.
[07:47] <jeffsch> Why it has been singled out is not clear, but until comparitively recent times it was found chiefly in scientific or technical writing
[07:48] <jeffsch> You should be aware, however, that if you use "comprised of" you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as "compose" or "make up".
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[07:48] <nixternal> nice point there jeffsch
[07:49] <jeffsch> it does sound bad
[07:49] <jeffsch> but seems to be popular anyway
[07:49] <Burgwork> comprised of sounds like food
[07:49] <Burgwork> hmm, Ubuntu is People!
[07:50] <mpt_> http://www.google.com/images?q=ubuntu+people
[07:50] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu is also a line of food products if you ask JaneW
[07:51] <jsgotangco> i see daniel's flower pic
[07:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:52] <mpt_> all righty, that's enough editing for one night
[07:52] <jsgotangco> thats it bed looks exciting for me now
[07:53] <mpt_> Why, has an attractive partner appeared in it?
[07:53] <jsgotangco> she just noticed im still awake lol
[08:50] <mdke> mpt_: I don't see a patch on the list >_<
[09:36] <mpt_> mdke, it's included in my BCCed version
[09:36] <mpt_> Maybe the mailing list stripped it? It's about 120 KB
[09:42] <LaserJock> yeah, isn't there like a 50 KB limit on the ML
[10:04] <mpt_> Where can I put it, then?
[10:04] <LaserJock> well, ideally you would have broken it up into several patches I guess :-)
[10:04] <LaserJock> do you have any webspace to put it on?
[10:05] <mpt_> not right at the moment
[10:05] <mpt_> pastebin? :-)
[10:05] <LaserJock> you can email it to me and I'll put it up somewhere, how's that?
[10:05] <mpt_> ok
[10:06] <LaserJock> mantha @u.c
[10:06] <mpt_> thanks
[10:06] <LaserJock> np
[10:07] <mpt_> LaserJock, sent
[10:10] <LaserJock> mpt_: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~laserjock/diff-udg-1
[10:11] <mpt_> thanks!
[10:16] <LaserJock> mpt_: you might try diffing each file in the dir and then tarring them up for big changes like that
[10:16] <mdke> mpt_: you should have a login there too actually...
[10:17] <LaserJock> I thought of that too
[10:17] <mpt_> LaserJock, .tgz, you mean?
[10:17] <LaserJock> mpt_: yeah
[10:17] <mpt_> It's the first time I've contributed, I haven't needed one before :-P
[10:18] <LaserJock> we just need a way to make your monster diffs fit down the pipe ;-)
[10:18] <mpt_> haha, the gzipped version is only 26 KB
[10:19] <mpt_> I'll remember that next time...
[10:19] <mdke> mpt_: for things like s/emphasis/quote, can you email the list about why you've done changes and such, so that we can ensure a consistent policy?
[10:19] <mpt_> but now it's past 8am and really time for bed
[10:19] <mdke> whoa
[10:20] <mpt_> mdke, ok
[10:20] <mpt_> I guess there are many "interesting" changes in there
[10:20] <mdke> I'll take a look in detail later
[10:20] <mpt_> (i.e. debatable)
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[10:21] <mpt_> g'night people
[10:21] <mdke> night
[10:24] <LaserJock> cya mpt_