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| adamant1988 | Hello all :) | 03:17 |
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| hybrid | hi adamant1988 | 04:20 |
| hybrid | an hour later :p | 04:20 |
| adamant1988 | hi hybrid lol | 04:21 |
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| adamant1988 | so... how's everyone? | 06:48 |
| nixternal | about as good as one can get i guess | 06:49 |
| adamant1988 | that works... | 06:53 |
| adamant1988 | nixternal I'm working on a project to push linux in the school and in the community | 06:53 |
| adamant1988 | do you think Id' be best to use K/ubuntu or Xandros? | 06:53 |
| nixternal | sweet | 06:53 |
| nixternal | i have been working with my church on pushing Edubuntu and hopefully setting up a lab for kids at the church | 06:54 |
| adamant1988 | yeah this is an economically depressed area... | 06:54 |
| adamant1988 | What I *want* to do is push ubuntu, but I feel that there's a better chance of success if the experience is made as 'friendly' as possible | 06:54 |
| nixternal | exact same thing here..what a coincidence | 06:57 |
| nixternal | we just did a setup with 40 pc's for 2 underpriviledged areas in chicago with 1/2 Edubuntu and 1/2 Windows XP actually provided by Bill & Melinda Gates | 06:58 |
| nixternal | however, it was just Windows XP, and there is no money for software...however the Edubuntu machines seem to be the kids favorites | 06:59 |
| adamant1988 | yeah | 07:00 |
| adamant1988 | well, xandros is cheep and supported is the thing | 07:01 |
| adamant1988 | and there's documentation | 07:01 |
| nixternal | yup | 07:01 |
| adamant1988 | so idk... | 07:02 |
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| adamant1988 | hello all | 09:45 |
| klepas | moin | 09:46 |
| mvirkkil | hi | 09:47 |
| hybrid | holas | 09:58 |
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| PlHL | Hi People | 02:01 |
| KenSentMe | Hi there | 02:01 |
| `6og | hey :) | 02:01 |
| PlHL | My ten CD's just arrived from shipit this morning - nice | 02:02 |
| `6og | :D | 02:03 |
| PlHL | I was wondering: Those stickers that followed... Is it possible to order them somewhere without the CD's? And if not, shouldn't that be something for the marketing team to make sure of+ | 02:03 |
| mindspin | I did not get any stickers | 02:04 |
| PlHL | Perhaps it's something new? Or just a mistake..:P' | 02:05 |
| `6og | no, some people get them | 02:05 |
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| mindspin | I heard that kubuntu stickers are also being sent out | 02:05 |
| `6og | hm. i didnt get any :| | 02:06 |
| bimberi | my package had ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu - 12 stickers, all ubuntu | 02:10 |
| klepas | ditto | 02:10 |
| mindspin | my package included no stickers at all | 02:11 |
| === `6og ordered all 3, had all 3 on the cover, but only had edu and Kubuntu, with no sticker s :| | ||
| gnomefreak | mine was same as bimberi | 02:13 |
| gnomefreak | none of the cds will install but the stickers are cool | 02:13 |
| mindspin | hehe | 02:13 |
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| bimberi | gnomefreak: :(( | 02:14 |
| `6og | gnomefreak: :(* that's sus | 02:14 |
| mindspin | I'd like to have some posters for my window, because about 50000 people are passing by over the year... | 02:14 |
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| gnomefreak | yep but seems most people are running into that | 02:14 |
| gnomefreak | bimberi: sad part it happens are the partitioner | 02:15 |
| gnomefreak | killing your drive testing them sucks | 02:15 |
| `6og | the partitioner was a bugbear from the start... it's caused quite some issues | 02:15 |
| gnomefreak | brb | 02:16 |
| mindspin | i failed in upgrading, wiped away my partitions with live cd and finally took alternate cd to reinstall | 02:16 |
| mindspin | maybe I should test the shipit cds before giving them away ;-) | 02:16 |
| `6og | not much you can do - if it's buggy it's bugy | 02:17 |
| mindspin | if they are buggy, I#ll kick it away... | 02:17 |
| `6og | well it's all or none ;) they don't have special bugs per cd | 02:18 |
| mindspin | or add a selfburned alternate cd to each live cd | 02:18 |
| bimberi | gnomefreak: ah, hm, i'll leave it till i'm back at work then (got an old pc there that i just do installs on) | 02:18 |
| mindspin | if that is true, its a waste of resources in my eyes | 02:19 |
| `6og | i havent had issues, but i just wipe drive -> install | 02:19 |
| bimberi | mindspin: yes, i'm keeping breezy sleeves for that purpose too | 02:19 |
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| mindspin | matthewrevell: are you alive? | 05:22 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Sorry, yes, I'm here, and alive :) | 05:33 |
| klepas | moinmoin | 05:34 |
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| matthewrevell | yo | 05:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hey | 05:37 |
| mindspin | I'd like to add a page/part to the media-team wiki | 05:37 |
| nixternal | The Ubuntu Marketing Team is ran by the community. We share a common goal among the rest of the Ubuntu community, and that is to squash Bug #1. In order to reach this goal, the Ubuntu Marketing Team will collaborate on various levels in a grassroots SpreadUbuntu marketing campaign. | 05:42 |
| nixternal | that is an intro for the upcoming MT wiki page | 05:42 |
| nixternal | give me some ideas please | 05:42 |
| nixternal | that is a draft...input needed ;) | 05:42 |
| mdke | is ran? | 05:42 |
| nixternal | hiya mdke | 05:42 |
| mdke | hi | 05:42 |
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| nixternal | uh oh | 05:43 |
| nixternal | haha | 05:43 |
| nixternal | i just typed that quick to give an idea | 05:43 |
| === nixternal needs feedback from the community ;) | ||
| mdke | i thought something similar was there already | 05:43 |
| mindspin | the second sentence sounds very "formal" to me | 05:43 |
| nixternal | mdke: from now on smack me with the grammer fish..it doesn't hurt as bad, but makes ya stink ;) | 05:43 |
| mdke | ok | 05:44 |
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| nixternal | there is a MT purpose now, but it is big and vague..this is really just a 2 or 3 line intro to the marketing team | 05:45 |
| nixternal | that is what i am really looking for | 05:45 |
| nixternal | maybe the mailing list will be the best place for this | 05:45 |
| mindspin | yup | 05:45 |
| mindspin | it needs some time to play around with text.. | 05:46 |
| nixternal | exactly | 05:46 |
| nixternal | i will do that | 05:46 |
| nixternal | i will add a couple of things in there for feedback | 05:46 |
| mindspin | matthewrevell: I'd like to add a page/part to the media-team wiki | 05:46 |
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| mindspin | to expose my idea of "give ubuntu to journalists and let them write about" idea | 05:47 |
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| mindspin | ah | 05:48 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Sounds good to me :) | 05:49 |
| mdke | I thought that media team was going to be closed? | 05:49 |
| matthewrevell | nixternal: I tried to put up a vague-ish but fairly concise intro to the MT on the wiki, but Jendatook a pretty big dislike to it :( | 05:49 |
| matthewrevell | mdke: Media project, within the marketing team. | 05:49 |
| mindspin | how do i add a new (sub)page ? I think it would be better to give sideprojects extra pages | 05:50 |
| mdke | matthewrevell: right, I read team | 05:50 |
| matthewrevell | nixternal: I think we need to bash out an idea of what we're about, on the ML, before we try to sum it up | 05:50 |
| nixternal | well...he tasked me with it and gave me full run, if you have comments or suggestions on how a design should be, then you can add it to the email im working on...if he dislikes it and we all like it, well this being a communtiy, guess who wins ;) | 05:50 |
| matthewrevell | mdke: Sorry, I'm in the habit of saying "team" as "media project" sounds like some kinda video shoot :) | 05:50 |
| mindspin | yup | 05:50 |
| mindspin | media branch of the marketing team ;-) | 05:51 |
| mdke | matthewrevell: not from you, mindspin said "the media-team wiki" | 05:51 |
| mdke | anyway, i get it now | 05:51 |
| matthewrevell | nixternal: As you say, it's a community, so I think it's best we bash it out on the list. No offence to Jenda, but I'm not sure he's in a position to task people with things :) | 05:51 |
| matthewrevell | In that we're going for a flat team, where we're all equals etc | 05:52 |
| mindspin | indeed | 05:52 |
| matthewrevell | nixternal: My suggestion would be that you add to the thread on the ML | 05:52 |
| nixternal | i will put ideas in the list and ask for ideas back then | 05:53 |
| matthewrevell | Cool. The team has enough momentum now, I believe, that we can discuss things on the list, then make decisions, rather than act unilaterally. | 05:53 |
| matthewrevell | I think unilateral action works best when there are only a couple of people doing anything. | 05:53 |
| mindspin | atm its called press team ..... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam | 05:54 |
| matthewrevell | Now we're starting to function more like a proper team. | 05:54 |
| matthewrevell | Which rocks | 05:54 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Yeah, sorry, I need to whack a redirect in there. | 05:54 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Short on time at the mo :( | 05:54 |
| mindspin | we need a "workspace" anyway, to collect the results of mailinglist discussions | 05:55 |
| matthewrevell | klepas: ping | 05:56 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: What do you have in mind? A weekly summary on the wiki? | 05:56 |
| mindspin | no but if a discussion is finished, and we have results, they should be documented somewhere | 05:56 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: sounds good to me | 05:57 |
| mindspin | launchpad should do it but I'm unsure how to manage it | 05:57 |
| matthewrevell | I'm not particularly familiar with LP :( | 05:58 |
| mindspin | so am I | 05:58 |
| matthewrevell | Big decisions would get discussed on the ML, then voted on in irc meetings, then we could probably decide smaller stuff on the ML. A wiki page would do for now, while we look into the LP way of doing it | 05:59 |
| mindspin | but there was the idea of handling sub-projects as bugs, or specifications, but honestly I didn't understand it at all | 05:59 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Ah yeah. | 05:59 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: It's something I need to look into, so I understand it. I'm sure it's all pretty simple, but time is short for me atm. | 06:00 |
| mindspin | yup | 06:00 |
| mindspin | so I 'll put my "give ubuntu ..." idea on the agenda for the next meeting | 06:01 |
| ormiret | mindspin: specs in LP are just a way of tracking things - the actual spec goes in the wiki as I understand it | 06:01 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Yeah, I'll reply to your mail in the ML. Perhaps you could post a link in the ML to the discussion where you asked silbs abou tit | 06:01 |
| ormiret | so feel free to ignore LP atm | 06:02 |
| matthewrevell | s/tit/it | 06:02 |
| mindspin | thanks ormiret | 06:02 |
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| mindspin | matthewrevell: you mean the irc log? | 06:02 |
| matthewrevell | mindspin: Yeah | 06:03 |
| mindspin | ok | 06:03 |
| matthewrevell | klepas: Your SVG for Ubuntu Magazine: should it be just a small portion of a page? | 06:03 |
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| ormiret | matthewrevell: I got more when I opened in sodipodi | 06:05 |
| adamant1988 | hello all | 06:05 |
| matthewrevell | adamant1988: Howdy | 06:06 |
| adamant1988 | how's everyone today? | 06:06 |
| matthewrevell | ormiret: I'm using Eye of Gnome. | 06:06 |
| matthewrevell | ormiret: Running from a live CD, due to dead computer, so can't install Inkscape. | 06:06 |
| matthewrevell | adamant1988: Not bad thanks, you? | 06:06 |
| adamant1988 | I'm working on my project lol. | 06:09 |
| adamant1988 | I'm still trying to decide between ubuntu and xandros for my community project | 06:09 |
| matthewrevell | Ubuntu has the benefit of being free in both senses and is more regularly updated, AFAIK. | 06:11 |
| ormiret | matthewrevell: png of the whole thing : http://ormiret.com/ubuntumagazine.png | 06:11 |
| matthewrevell | ormiret: Nice, thanks | 06:13 |
| adamant1988 | matthewrevell, my only thing is that crossover comes standard in xandros (which is good for people in my community) | 06:15 |
| adamant1988 | I prefer ubuntu though :) | 06:17 |
| nixternal | one thing if i could suggest guys, just for ease of search/location...is put all your marketing wiki pages containing ideas and what not under MarketingTeam/ | 06:17 |
| nixternal | this way here, it will be easy to do an auto link generation for navigation later on | 06:18 |
| adamant1988 | when are there going to be forums available for the marketing team (again, I guess?) | 06:18 |
| mindspin | never afaik | 06:18 |
| nixternal | ubuntuforums.com said they would give us space if needed | 06:18 |
| ormiret | adamant1988: it was decided at the meeting we could live without them | 06:19 |
| nixternal | however, do we really need forums with the use of the mailing list? | 06:19 |
| mindspin | forums are for discusions and the mailinglist too so I think we deceided at last meeting | 06:19 |
| nixternal | actually...i think the forums would be good...this way here people not on the list or scouring the wiki would get introduced to our concept | 06:19 |
| adamant1988 | I'm ashamed and all, but I don't know how to participate in the mailing list. | 06:20 |
| mindspin | hehe | 06:20 |
| nixternal | adamant1988: aren't you on the launchpad? | 06:20 |
| adamant1988 | I get the volumes but I don't know how to reply to the individual 'posts'. | 06:20 |
| adamant1988 | Yeah. | 06:20 |
| nixternal | doesn't that put you on the list? | 06:20 |
| nixternal | you reply to the list, not to the individual | 06:20 |
| mindspin | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing | 06:20 |
| adamant1988 | so reply to the volume? | 06:20 |
| nixternal | you don't get each one individually..you get a digest | 06:21 |
| nixternal | go to the link mindspin posted and change the "receive as digest" to "NO" | 06:21 |
| nixternal | then you will get individual emails to work with | 06:21 |
| adamant1988 | yay, lol. | 06:22 |
| matthewrevell | adamant1988: Then use your mailing software to automatically pop the mailing list emails into a special foler | 06:22 |
| adamant1988 | I was wondering how to work that out. | 06:22 |
| matthewrevell | s/foler/folder | 06:22 |
| matthewrevell | That way you don't get your inbox overloaded | 06:22 |
| adamant1988 | yeah I was doing that anyway | 06:22 |
| matthewrevell | cool | 06:22 |
| nixternal | whoa..i decided to take a look at my filters...104 filters and counting | 06:22 |
| nixternal | its a wonder how kmail continues to function | 06:22 |
| klepas | matthewrevell: pong | 06:23 |
| adamant1988 | I use gmail lol | 06:24 |
| adamant1988 | I want a good mail account that I can use through a program like kmail or evolution | 06:24 |
| matthewrevell | klepas: Sorry, was just trying to get a full version of the ubuntu mag png. Ormiret sorted me | 06:24 |
| matthewrevell | Looks great. | 06:24 |
| matthewrevell | Will post to list | 06:24 |
| klepas | cool | 06:24 |
| klepas | i was just messing around - it's nothing concrete - but i'd be happy to polish up anything you folks want | 06:25 |
| mindspin | nixternal: another kubuntian ;-) | 06:26 |
| nixternal | oh yes | 06:26 |
| nixternal | KDE is my life | 06:27 |
| nixternal | ;) | 06:27 |
| nixternal | i have been with KDE since 1.0 | 06:27 |
| adamant1988 | lol I feel like a traitor using kubuntu -_- | 06:27 |
| mindspin | me too | 06:27 |
| nixternal | i have used others and like them just as well, but KDE is my style | 06:27 |
| mindspin | nope | 06:27 |
| mindspin | that was for adamant1988 | 06:27 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:27 |
| adamant1988 | lol | 06:27 |
| adamant1988 | Why wasn't KDE just offered as an option at install like with suse? | 06:28 |
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| ormiret | adamant1988: that would take more than one cd | 06:28 |
| mindspin | its kinda "historical" imh | 06:28 |
| mindspin | o | 06:28 |
| mindspin | and indeed the space issue | 06:29 |
| adamant1988 | ok the space thing I understand. | 06:29 |
| adamant1988 | So... I got an idea... | 06:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | no, no dvds | 06:30 |
| adamant1988 | and I don't know if this is something you guys might be interested in doing... | 06:30 |
| adamant1988 | But what about a site (or section of one) dedicated to Ubuntu projects around the world or in specific areas... Like community projects, etc. | 06:31 |
| adamant1988 | If the smaller projects get some press from the ubuntu site there would be more popping up, a sort of "Hey, I can do that" thing. | 06:32 |
| ormiret | adamant1988: deffineitely something we should be dcumenting /helping (with the LoCo teams) | 06:32 |
| ormiret | if you write something about what youa re doing that ought to get the ball rolling | 06:33 |
| adamant1988 | Case in point: I'm working on a project for my school system and then my town. I've worked out a deal with system76 for a free koala mini for my school to use. I'm producing documentation, pamphlets, studies, research papers, etc. to show my (economically strapped) town that there is a solution to Windows. | 06:34 |
| mindspin | where do you live adamant1988? | 06:34 |
| adamant1988 | Elkins, WV. | 06:34 |
| mindspin | WV =west virginia ? | 06:35 |
| adamant1988 | Yes. | 06:35 |
| mindspin | ic | 06:35 |
| adamant1988 | There's even talk of setting up a linux demo center and a local linux group to run it. | 06:35 |
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| ormiret | the docs/ pamphlets are the kind of thing that SU should have | 06:35 |
| ormiret | save the next person to try this having to write them from scratch | 06:36 |
| adamant1988 | and I've already collected 6 older PCs to run light versions of linux on. | 06:36 |
| adamant1988 | I can provide them, that's not a big deal. | 06:36 |
| mindspin | you should consider using xubuntu on them | 06:37 |
| adamant1988 | I'm going to talk to the local printing store about printing my pamphlets etc. | 06:37 |
| adamant1988 | and the local computer store about getting more up to date hardware for my linux system. | 06:37 |
| adamant1988 | for the demo I mean | 06:38 |
| adamant1988 | point is, I know I'm not the only one with such a project going on. and good press helps these projects and helps to get more people starting them or getting involved. | 06:38 |
| mindspin | why should press write aboute it ? | 06:39 |
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| mindspin | v | 06:40 |
| ormiret | adamant1988: if you write up what you are doing it can probably get on the fridge or in UWN so you can inspire others to follow | 06:40 |
| adamant1988 | local press is interested in mine. But I think that having an ubuntu site that helps to make people aware of these projects (like a little headline site or such) will generate more and more projects | 06:40 |
| adamant1988 | more projects based on ubuntu is, of course, good advertising for ubuntu. | 06:40 |
| ormiret | adn it is exactly the kind of thing to go in SU when we get it running | 06:41 |
| mindspin | it is | 06:41 |
| mindspin | call it case studies, call it testimonials, call it examples it will be good | 06:41 |
| adamant1988 | I mean there's no better advertising than advertising tailor-made to the community it's being done in, right? It saves us some work (the marketing team) and it helps push the 'community' nature of ubuntu | 06:42 |
| adamant1988 | I'll even help manage it myself if need be. | 06:44 |
| ormiret | adamant1988: a great start would be putting up a wikipage detailing what you're doing - then you or others can write articles from that for different places | 06:46 |
| adamant1988 | Ok, I haven't edited the wiki much, or ever. | 06:46 |
| adamant1988 | Do I put this in the marketing team wiki or what? | 06:46 |
| adamant1988 | oh wait | 06:47 |
| adamant1988 | not the ubuntu wiki, I'm confused... | 06:47 |
| ormiret | probably something off MarketingTeam/ would be a good bet | 06:47 |
| mindspin | ormiret how do I add asupbage to the MarketingTeam wiki? | 06:48 |
| mindspin | a sub-page | 06:48 |
| ormiret | goto wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/[name of page goes here] and you get a page with a link to create a new page with that name | 06:49 |
| mindspin | ah very handy | 06:49 |
| mindspin | I just didn't want to add things up at the bottom of the site | 06:50 |
| ormiret | anything you think should be int he wiki put it in - that's what its for :) | 06:52 |
| ormiret | don't worry overly much about cluttering it up, too much content is much better than too little | 06:53 |
| adamant1988 | so I should just add a sub page as well? | 06:53 |
| mindspin | I#m used to cms but not to wiki, it was a pain for me when I first edited a wikipage ;-) | 06:53 |
| ormiret | adamant1988: yes, it will go to SU eventually but you can put it in the wiki now | 06:55 |
| adamant1988 | ok... what exactly is spreadubuntu? | 06:55 |
| ormiret | going to be a site about helping people to do things to spread the word about ubuntu (pretty much exactly what you were talking about ;) ) | 06:56 |
| adamant1988 | haha, cool. :) | 06:57 |
| mindspin | that is a discusion in progress imho, newz2000 had a nice post to the list about it | 06:57 |
| newz2000 | I'm here, happy to provide any additional info if you'd like | 06:57 |
| mindspin | I replied to it and think we have to discuss it further | 06:58 |
| mindspin | we= marketing team, not you and me ;-) | 06:59 |
| newz2000 | I just wanted to toss it out there for food for thought. The team can do whatever it thinks is best and I'm happy to help however I can. | 07:00 |
| newz2000 | I've got planned a wiki upgrade to go to 1.5 of Moin, which actually makes things a lot easier | 07:01 |
| newz2000 | I don't have a timeline yet, but the wiki upgrade might make it more useful for you | 07:01 |
| mindspin | newz2000: I 'll hope there will be some more replies to your post | 07:01 |
| newz2000 | I hope that I didn't sound to pushy. ;-) I just wanted to toss out my ideas. | 07:02 |
| mindspin | no you are absolutely right (I agree with about 75% of your post ;-) | 07:03 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup | 07:03 |
| nixternal | ^^ that is the mock up to work from there | 07:03 |
| nixternal | so that email everyone received, will be implemented into this mockup, voted upon, and issued one of these days ;) | 07:04 |
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| newz2000 | have you seen some sites that do an especially good job of communicationg a message similar to what you hope to communicate? | 07:05 |
| mindspin | not yet, beside the ubuntu main page.... | 07:05 |
| mindspin | I didn't see spreadfirefox at all before | 07:06 |
| newz2000 | I'm redoing the bzr website and mark suggested www.rubyonrails.org as inspiration | 07:07 |
| newz2000 | It does a great job of keeping a narrow focus and communicating a simple message. | 07:07 |
| newz2000 | Maybe there's something there you could use | 07:07 |
| newz2000 | Also, I've always thought the mozilla website was good as well. | 07:07 |
| adamant1988 | Spread Ubuntu is a big project 0_0. | 07:09 |
| adamant1988 | is that interactive desktop looking likely at all? | 07:09 |
| mindspin | rubyonrails does not relly look good to me... | 07:09 |
| mindspin | narrow focus and simplicity lokks slightly different for me... | 07:10 |
| mindspin | but those are the keywords for me | 07:11 |
| newz2000 | I'd start making a list of sites and find things you like and dislike about them. Then when you want to make a design you'll know what you want. | 07:12 |
| mindspin | and the idea of building acommunity of spreaders sounds smart | 07:12 |
| adamant1988 | I have an idea for a logo for it | 07:12 |
| adamant1988 | :) I'm going to pan it out really quick | 07:13 |
| nixternal | newz2000: you know, i have been looking over the fedora core projects wiki, as they have a pretty decent setup for inspiration | 07:13 |
| newz2000 | Say, "I like this site's nav bar because ___" or "I don't like the rails site because ___" | 07:13 |
| mindspin | plus nice buttons for the websites, signatures, caps, shirts stickers and posters would be cool | 07:13 |
| nixternal | i tend to look at microsoft too ;( | 07:13 |
| newz2000 | nixternal: what page are you looking at? | 07:13 |
| nixternal | newz2000: all of them | 07:13 |
| nixternal | lol | 07:13 |
| newz2000 | microsoft and redhat both have good sites for inspiration, but I think they might be built for a wider focus | 07:13 |
| nixternal | yup | 07:13 |
| newz2000 | nixternal: do you have a link? | 07:13 |
| nixternal | i use them and SuSe also | 07:14 |
| newz2000 | for fc wiki | 07:14 |
| nixternal | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki | 07:14 |
| newz2000 | what do you like? | 07:14 |
| newz2000 | they use moin as well | 07:16 |
| mindspin | ;-) | 07:17 |
| nixternal | their layouts are clean and precise | 07:17 |
| nixternal | nite klepas_Zzz | 07:17 |
| mindspin | I like mine.... http://www.mindspin-cms-hosting.de/ | 07:18 |
| nixternal | nice | 07:18 |
| nixternal | to bad i have a hard enough time reading english let alone another language ;) | 07:19 |
| mindspin | hehe | 07:19 |
| newz2000 | I'd start making a list on the wiki of pages that you like and don't like. | 07:19 |
| newz2000 | But be specific. | 07:19 |
| newz2000 | I'm sure that between the marketing team, the art team and others in the community we can come up with a great looking design for this project. | 07:20 |
| mindspin | I would prefer a site which has the cd of the ubuntu main page, to be honest | 07:20 |
| newz2000 | I know there are several people itching to help out | 07:20 |
| nixternal | are we referring to the Spread Ubuntu project or just our wiki page? | 07:20 |
| mindspin | I guess its the SU project | 07:21 |
| nixternal | ahh | 07:21 |
| mindspin | I played around with the design of the ubuntu page, but I just started... | 07:21 |
| nixternal | with SU i can help with content, but i stink with design ;) | 07:22 |
| nixternal | like newz2000 said, art team and others itching, as they would be a heck of lot more usefull then i would be ;) | 07:22 |
| mindspin | I can help with html and css but not with graphics | 07:22 |
| newz2000 | I wasn't precluding you two from helping, but there is an ubelievable amount and variety of tallent available just itching to help | 07:23 |
| mindspin | yup | 07:23 |
| newz2000 | So mindspin can do css, someone else can do art, someone else can direct | 07:23 |
| nixternal | you know what..i could be a heck of a marketer right now for the gimp project...as i am horrible with graphics, but yet gimp is so much easier to use, comes with a ton of scripts, and is free..which blows ps out of the water | 07:23 |
| nixternal | exactly newz2000...i think with your input and motivation too, it shoudn't be a difficult task for the team to hack it out im sure | 07:24 |
| nixternal | its nice to have Canonical support and very much appreciated. I believe it makes the team feel closer to the core so-to-speak | 07:25 |
| mindspin | no it shouldn't but its a question of decision making, do we want to create a different look for the site or not? | 07:25 |
| newz2000 | Mindspin, are you talking about su? | 07:25 |
| nixternal | mindspin: my opinion, make it look like Ubuntu.com, but make it nicer ;) | 07:25 |
| mindspin | yup | 07:25 |
| nixternal | make Ubuntu.com want to change to our look ;) | 07:25 |
| newz2000 | Sounds good | 07:25 |
| mindspin | that would be my opinion too | 07:25 |
| nixternal | although, the forums changing to the Ubuntu.com look wasn't that great of an idea ;( | 07:26 |
| nixternal | to me, i think they would be hard to read for the new guy | 07:26 |
| newz2000 | I will admit the look of ubuntu.com is decided from above (mark et al) | 07:26 |
| newz2000 | Also, the ubuntu site is schedules for a touch-up later this season | 07:26 |
| nixternal | time to make it edgy ;) | 07:26 |
| nixternal | you know what...the human colors are growing on me big time | 07:27 |
| mindspin | i very dislike the colors (kubuntu looks much "fresher" to me) | 07:27 |
| nixternal | haha | 07:27 |
| newz2000 | ha | 07:27 |
| newz2000 | can't make everyone happy. | 07:27 |
| nixternal | mindspin: i have switched away just today from the Kubuntu theme because it is to bold...human is refreshing actually | 07:27 |
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| mindspin | maybe brown is a bit itchy for germans ;-) | 07:28 |
| nixternal | i was originally against the human theme for Kubuntu, but it might not be a bad idea...i mean Ubuntu in itself supports a togetherness..and all this sepearation goes against the definition i think | 07:28 |
| nixternal | haha mindspin | 07:28 |
| mindspin | togetherness does not mean uniformity for me... | 07:30 |
| nixternal | true | 07:30 |
| nixternal | very good point actually..because diversity makes a community stronger...and in that aspect, the diversity of the "flavors" of Ubuntu...i like it | 07:31 |
| nixternal | togetherness + diversity = Spread Ubuntu now!!! | 07:31 |
| newz2000 | mark has explicitly said he wants kubuntu and ubuntu to be distinct | 07:31 |
| newz2000 | There should be synergy between the designs so you know they're related (I'm interpreting his response now by the way) but colors should make the separate. | 07:32 |
| mindspin | in their look I guess | 07:32 |
| newz2000 | But the kubuntu guys have already asked for help with their website. I think there's a spec. | 07:33 |
| nixternal | kubuntu website needs help, no doubt | 07:33 |
| mindspin | so SU has to contain the look of all ubuntian flavours | 07:33 |
| newz2000 | mindspin, maybe, maybe not | 07:33 |
| mindspin | I think the links to the sveral flavours will show the distinct colors | 07:34 |
| nixternal | i think that the colors used in Xubuntu and Ubuntu definately blend better then the ones in Kubuntu...my 2 cents of course | 07:34 |
| mindspin | I'll keep playing around with it and will show the result when its presenteable | 07:35 |
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| newz2000 | ok. I'm gonna break for lunch soon and need to finish up a few tasks. ping me if you need me. | 07:36 |
| mindspin | but keep in mind that all the graphics will be "stolen" | 07:36 |
| mindspin | yup, bye | 07:36 |
| mindspin | btw. my stomach is calling too... | 07:36 |
| mindspin | @now berlin | 07:37 |
| nixternal | hehe...mine too | 07:37 |
| nixternal | newz2000: where are you at if you are breaking for lunch? | 07:37 |
| newz2000 | Des Moines Iowa, USA. | 07:37 |
| nixternal | it is lunch time here | 07:37 |
| nixternal | ahh | 07:37 |
| nixternal | chciago here | 07:37 |
| nixternal | chicago too | 07:38 |
| mindspin | frankfurt germany (not kentucky) here | 07:38 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 07:38 |
| mindspin | 7.30 pm here | 07:38 |
| nixternal | im in hanover park illinois, not hanover germany ;) | 07:38 |
| mindspin | haha | 07:38 |
| nixternal | although hanover germany is our sister city | 07:38 |
| mindspin | my SO was visiting chicago and milwaukee this spring | 07:39 |
| mindspin | and she was very impressed | 07:39 |
| nixternal | heh, she must of made a quick pass through to be impressed..because after a few hours you won't be impressed anymore...you will either be opressed or depressed | 07:39 |
| mindspin | no never | 07:40 |
| nixternal | i always said, if you enjoy smelling the person next to you, you will love chicago ;) | 07:40 |
| mindspin | she liked it especially wisconsin is very similiar to our region | 07:40 |
| mindspin | and partner state of hesse | 07:41 |
| nixternal | wisconsin can be beautiful...but milwaukee is far from that...you have the rolling hills and nice greenery in wisconsin | 07:41 |
| mindspin | madison was her favourite | 07:42 |
| mindspin | she said it was far more "european" than she thought before | 07:42 |
| mindspin | I got to have some food..... I will lurk in later, | 07:44 |
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| adamant1988 | I made a logo mockup for spreadubuntu... | 07:59 |
| _sara | can I take a look at it | 08:03 |
| adamant1988 | sure... I don't think it's very good it's just a concept... | 08:05 |
| _sara | well a concept is a place to start I have some that I was sent and I want to post all of the art work in one place | 08:08 |
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| adamant1988 | http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9306/logomockup7xb.jpg =\ | 08:08 |
| adamant1988 | i'm still really new to inkscape | 08:08 |
| _sara | I lek the concept | 08:09 |
| adamant1988 | Vector has never been my thing =\ | 08:09 |
| _sara | you can always drwa it by hand and poste it | 08:10 |
| _sara | I find tha tsometime tracing over my hand drwaings is the best thing to do | 08:10 |
| adamant1988 | no I mean I like doing stuff like this. http://dismalmuse.deviantart.com/ | 08:10 |
| _sara | ohh that is a total different thing | 08:11 |
| adamant1988 | Yeah, I know | 08:12 |
| adamant1988 | =\ | 08:12 |
| adamant1988 | I'm good at doing wallpapers and tiny abstract graphics, but vector has always been my downfall =( | 08:12 |
| _sara | yeah vector is hard | 08:12 |
| _sara | What you don't like about the logo | 08:13 |
| adamant1988 | what? | 08:14 |
| _sara | You said that you dond't think is very good | 08:14 |
| _sara | but I don't quiet understand what you don't like? | 08:15 |
| adamant1988 | The globe isn't what I think it should be (not detailed enough but I couldn't find a good stock) and I feel that I didn't do well enough with the gradients, and the vector arrow is off (not all of the sides are in complete agreeance). | 08:15 |
| _sara | ohh, so you know what you want is just an issue of learning inkscape | 08:16 |
| adamant1988 | I've got the idea in my head | 08:17 |
| adamant1988 | I'd like to put the whole thing in a glass bubble. | 08:17 |
| adamant1988 | I had another idea that involved the Ubuntu logo sprouting wings. | 08:17 |
| adamant1988 | But I don't have near the inkscape knowledge to draw that =\ | 08:18 |
| _sara | I like both ideas with the whole spread ubuntu concept, the spreading the wings thing would benice. I think | 08:18 |
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| _sara | Maybe you want to post them on the mailing list so you can have more feedback | 08:19 |
| adamant1988 | Yeah, I don't know at this point I'm just trying to be useful... | 08:19 |
| _sara | if you need a place to hsot them ping me and I host them. beeter thatn image shack | 08:19 |
| adamant1988 | ok could you? | 08:20 |
| adamant1988 | I have the svgs but imagshack won't store them | 08:20 |
| _sara | yeah sure jsut send me an e-mail to sara@tikal26.net. Make sure that you put ubuntu marketing int he tiel and I'll host them for you | 08:20 |
| _sara | I think that the svg would be nice for other to play with if you don't mind that | 08:21 |
| adamant1988 | sure, but I just did a plain svg | 08:21 |
| adamant1988 | inkscape svgs don't like me | 08:21 |
| _sara | I had problems with the svgs too. I don't know if you saw the e-mail I sent with the ubuntu magazine art work but we had problems with them too | 08:22 |
| _sara | I ahd to make them svg too | 08:22 |
| adamant1988 | ok just making sure it wasn't just me | 08:22 |
| adamant1988 | _sara, it's mailing to you now. | 08:23 |
| _sara | yeah so any time you need hosting I can do taht . I would like to collect all art work for spread ubuntu and the magazine and put it on a place for all to see | 08:23 |
| adamant1988 | I think I could help a little with the magazine | 08:24 |
| adamant1988 | I haven't seen the latest layout but the original that I saw was kind of bare | 08:24 |
| _sara | yeah its a start, but the good thing is that I think we need to start with some parameters | 08:26 |
| _sara | Like a color palte and stuff. I'll send you what wha tI sent out today | 08:26 |
| adamant1988 | ok | 08:28 |
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| adamant1988 | do you think that logo is decent enough to at least work with? | 08:30 |
| _sara | I like the concept and what you might need is to spiffy it up a little bit. I think that you have clear idea of what you want is and issue of execution | 08:32 |
| _sara | check you mail | 08:33 |
| adamant1988 | got it :) | 08:34 |
| adamant1988 | I'll make a post to the mailing list I with this I guess, or do you want to? | 08:34 |
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| _sara | go ahead you can do it. | 08:39 |
| adamant1988 | done | 08:39 |
| adamant1988 | that file you sent me isn't opening up correctly | 08:40 |
| adamant1988 | I'm only seeing half the page | 08:40 |
| _sara | you have to right click on it and save as or save target as and then open it on inkscape. | 08:42 |
| adamant1988 | ok | 08:42 |
| _sara | i just realize the likn is broke too, I had problems with this the wole morning my server has being up and down intermitenly so i will fix that later. I'll fix that sorry about the hasse | 08:43 |
| adamant1988 | it's ok | 08:44 |
| adamant1988 | Uhm, the colors on the magazine seem to be really soft | 08:44 |
| Burgwork | adamant1988, got a linky for these colours? | 08:45 |
| adamant1988 | I have the SVG | 08:45 |
| adamant1988 | _sara do you think we could give the magazine a little more contrast? Everythings so soft it all kind of runs together... | 08:46 |
| _sara | ok I fixed the link it should be working now. | 08:47 |
| _sara | if you have any ideas go ahed. I just ask that you try to stay withing the color palete and if you add any color add it to the palete and send it to me. I am just trying to keep a structure. I think that you could do that by using the colors we have now | 08:48 |
| adamant1988 | you mean the ubuntu default colors or what? | 08:49 |
| _sara | I mena the color on th svg I sent you. WEll i think it is a simplyfy version of the ubuntu colors | 08:51 |
| adamant1988 | OH I see it | 08:52 |
| adamant1988 | duh | 08:52 |
| adamant1988 | ok, lol... | 08:52 |
| adamant1988 | actually I think if you made the main bg just a tad darker (orange) it would all show up fine. | 08:52 |
| _sara | yeah I think so tto, this wasan svg made by the a member of the art team so we could get a starting point and share | 08:53 |
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