[03:17] <adamant1988> Hello all :)
[04:20] <hybrid> hi adamant1988
[04:20] <hybrid> an hour later :p
[04:21] <adamant1988> hi hybrid lol
[06:48] <adamant1988> so... how's everyone?
[06:49] <nixternal> about as good as one can get i guess
[06:53] <adamant1988> that works...
[06:53] <adamant1988> nixternal I'm working on a project to push linux in the school and in the community
[06:53] <adamant1988> do you think Id' be best to use K/ubuntu or Xandros?
[06:53] <nixternal> sweet
[06:54] <nixternal> i have been working with my church on pushing Edubuntu and hopefully setting up a lab for kids at the church
[06:54] <adamant1988> yeah this is an economically depressed area...
[06:54] <adamant1988> What I *want* to do is push ubuntu, but I feel that there's a better chance of success if the experience is made as 'friendly' as possible
[06:57] <nixternal> exact same thing here..what a coincidence
[06:58] <nixternal> we just did a setup with 40 pc's for 2 underpriviledged areas in chicago with 1/2 Edubuntu and 1/2 Windows XP actually provided by Bill & Melinda Gates
[06:59] <nixternal> however, it was just Windows XP, and there is no money for software...however the Edubuntu machines seem to be the kids favorites
[07:00] <adamant1988> yeah
[07:01] <adamant1988> well, xandros is cheep and supported is the thing
[07:01] <adamant1988> and there's documentation
[07:01] <nixternal> yup
[07:02] <adamant1988> so idk...
[09:45] <adamant1988> hello all
[09:46] <klepas> moin
[09:47] <mvirkkil> hi
[09:58] <hybrid> holas
[02:01] <PlHL> Hi People
[02:01] <KenSentMe> Hi there
[02:01] <`6og> hey :)
[02:02] <PlHL> My ten CD's just arrived from shipit this morning - nice
[02:03] <`6og> :D
[02:03] <PlHL> I was wondering: Those stickers that followed... Is it possible to order them somewhere without the CD's? And if not, shouldn't that be something for the marketing team to make sure of+
[02:04] <mindspin> I did not get any stickers
[02:05] <PlHL> Perhaps it's something new? Or just a mistake..:P'
[02:05] <`6og> no, some people get them
[02:05] <mindspin> I heard that kubuntu stickers are also being sent out
[02:06] <`6og> hm. i didnt get any :|
[02:10] <bimberi> my package had ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu - 12 stickers, all ubuntu
[02:10] <klepas> ditto
[02:11] <mindspin> my package included no stickers at all
[02:13] <gnomefreak> mine was same as bimberi
[02:13] <gnomefreak> none of the cds will install but the stickers are cool
[02:13] <mindspin> hehe
[02:14] <bimberi> gnomefreak: :((
[02:14] <`6og> gnomefreak: :(* that's sus
[02:14] <mindspin> I'd like to have some posters for my window, because about 50000 people are passing by over the year...
[02:14] <gnomefreak> yep but seems most people are running into that
[02:15] <gnomefreak> bimberi: sad part it happens are the partitioner
[02:15] <gnomefreak> killing your drive testing them sucks
[02:15] <`6og> the partitioner was a bugbear from the start... it's caused quite some issues
[02:16] <gnomefreak> brb
[02:16] <mindspin> i failed in upgrading, wiped away my partitions with live cd and finally took alternate cd to reinstall
[02:16] <mindspin> maybe I should test the shipit cds before giving them away ;-)
[02:17] <`6og> not much you can do - if it's buggy it's bugy
[02:17] <mindspin> if they are buggy, I#ll kick it away...
[02:18] <`6og> well it's all or none ;) they don't have special bugs per cd
[02:18] <mindspin> or add a selfburned alternate cd to each live cd
[02:18] <bimberi> gnomefreak: ah, hm, i'll leave it till i'm back at work then (got an old pc there that i just do installs on)
[02:19] <mindspin> if that is true, its a waste of resources in my eyes
[02:19] <`6og> i havent had issues, but i just wipe drive -> install
[02:19] <bimberi> mindspin: yes, i'm keeping breezy sleeves for that purpose too
[05:22] <mindspin> matthewrevell: are you alive?
[05:33] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Sorry, yes, I'm here, and alive :)
[05:34] <klepas> moinmoin
[05:34] <matthewrevell> yo
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[05:37] <mindspin> I'd like to add a page/part to the media-team wiki
[05:42] <nixternal> The Ubuntu Marketing Team is ran by the community. We share a common goal among the rest of the Ubuntu community, and that is to squash Bug #1. In order to reach this goal, the Ubuntu Marketing Team will collaborate on various levels in a grassroots SpreadUbuntu marketing campaign.
[05:42] <nixternal> that is an intro for the upcoming MT wiki page
[05:42] <nixternal> give me some ideas please
[05:42] <nixternal> that is a draft...input needed ;)
[05:42] <mdke> is ran?
[05:42] <nixternal> hiya mdke
[05:42] <mdke> hi
[05:43] <nixternal> uh oh
[05:43] <nixternal> haha
[05:43] <nixternal> i just typed that quick to give an idea
[05:43] <mdke> i thought something similar was there already
[05:43] <mindspin> the second sentence sounds very "formal" to me
[05:43] <nixternal> mdke: from now on smack me with the grammer fish..it doesn't hurt as bad, but makes ya stink ;)
[05:44] <mdke> ok
[05:45] <nixternal> there is a MT purpose now, but it is big and vague..this is really just a 2 or 3 line intro to the marketing team
[05:45] <nixternal> that is what i am really looking for
[05:45] <nixternal> maybe the mailing list will be the best place for this
[05:45] <mindspin> yup
[05:46] <mindspin> it needs some time to play around with text..
[05:46] <nixternal> exactly
[05:46] <nixternal> i will do that
[05:46] <nixternal> i will add a couple of things in there for feedback
[05:46] <mindspin> matthewrevell: I'd like to add a page/part to the media-team wiki
[05:47] <mindspin> to expose my idea of "give ubuntu to journalists and let them write about" idea
[05:48] <mindspin> ah
[05:49] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Sounds good to me :)
[05:49] <mdke> I thought that media team was going to be closed?
[05:49] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I tried to put up a vague-ish but fairly concise intro to the MT on the wiki, but Jendatook a pretty big dislike to it :(
[05:49] <matthewrevell> mdke: Media project, within the marketing team.
[05:50] <mindspin> how do i add a new (sub)page ? I think it would be better to give sideprojects extra pages
[05:50] <mdke> matthewrevell: right, I read team
[05:50] <matthewrevell> nixternal: I think we need to bash out an idea of what we're about, on the ML, before we try to sum it up
[05:50] <nixternal> well...he tasked me with it and gave me full run, if you have comments or suggestions on how a design should be, then you can add it to the email im working on...if he dislikes it and we all like it, well this being a communtiy, guess who wins ;)
[05:50] <matthewrevell> mdke: Sorry, I'm in the habit of saying "team" as "media project" sounds like some kinda video shoot :)
[05:50] <mindspin> yup
[05:51] <mindspin> media branch of the marketing team ;-)
[05:51] <mdke> matthewrevell: not from you, mindspin said "the media-team wiki"
[05:51] <mdke> anyway, i get it now
[05:51] <matthewrevell> nixternal: As you say, it's a community, so I think it's best we bash it out on the list. No offence to Jenda, but I'm not sure he's in a position to task people with things :)
[05:52] <matthewrevell> In that we're going for a flat team, where we're all equals etc
[05:52] <mindspin> indeed
[05:52] <matthewrevell> nixternal: My suggestion would be that you add to the thread on the ML
[05:53] <nixternal> i will put ideas in the list and ask for ideas back then
[05:53] <matthewrevell> Cool. The team has enough momentum now, I believe, that we can discuss things on the list, then make decisions, rather than act unilaterally.
[05:53] <matthewrevell> I think unilateral action works best when there are only a couple of people doing anything.
[05:54] <mindspin> atm its called press team ..... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam
[05:54] <matthewrevell> Now we're starting to function more like a proper team.
[05:54] <matthewrevell> Which rocks
[05:54] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah, sorry, I need to whack a redirect in there.
[05:54] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Short on time at the mo :(
[05:55] <mindspin> we need a "workspace" anyway, to collect the results of mailinglist discussions
[05:56] <matthewrevell> klepas: ping
[05:56] <matthewrevell> mindspin: What do you have in mind? A weekly summary on the wiki?
[05:56] <mindspin> no but if a discussion is finished, and we have results, they should be documented somewhere
[05:57] <matthewrevell> mindspin: sounds good to me
[05:57] <mindspin> launchpad should do it but I'm unsure how to manage it
[05:58] <matthewrevell> I'm not particularly familiar with LP :(
[05:58] <mindspin> so am I
[05:59] <matthewrevell> Big decisions would get discussed on the ML, then voted on in irc meetings, then we could probably decide smaller stuff on the ML. A wiki page would do for now, while we look into the LP way of doing it
[05:59] <mindspin> but there was the idea of handling sub-projects as bugs, or specifications, but honestly I didn't understand it at all
[05:59] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Ah yeah.
[06:00] <matthewrevell> mindspin: It's something I need to look into, so I understand it. I'm sure it's all pretty simple, but time is short for me atm.
[06:00] <mindspin> yup
[06:01] <mindspin> so I 'll put my "give ubuntu ..." idea on the agenda for the next meeting
[06:01] <ormiret> mindspin: specs in LP are just a way of tracking things - the actual spec goes in the wiki as I understand it
[06:01] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah, I'll reply to your mail in the ML. Perhaps you could post a link in the ML to the discussion where you asked silbs abou tit
[06:02] <ormiret> so feel free to ignore LP atm
[06:02] <matthewrevell> s/tit/it
[06:02] <mindspin> thanks ormiret
[06:02] <mindspin> matthewrevell: you mean the irc log?
[06:03] <matthewrevell> mindspin: Yeah
[06:03] <mindspin> ok
[06:03] <matthewrevell> klepas: Your SVG for Ubuntu Magazine: should it be just a small portion of a page?
[06:05] <ormiret> matthewrevell: I got more when I opened in sodipodi
[06:05] <adamant1988> hello all
[06:06] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Howdy
[06:06] <adamant1988> how's everyone today?
[06:06] <matthewrevell> ormiret: I'm using Eye of Gnome.
[06:06] <matthewrevell> ormiret: Running from a live CD, due to dead computer, so can't install Inkscape.
[06:06] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Not bad thanks, you?
[06:09] <adamant1988> I'm working on my project lol.
[06:09] <adamant1988> I'm still trying to decide between ubuntu and xandros for my community project
[06:11] <matthewrevell> Ubuntu has the benefit of being free in both senses and is more regularly updated, AFAIK.
[06:11] <ormiret> matthewrevell: png of the whole thing : http://ormiret.com/ubuntumagazine.png
[06:13] <matthewrevell> ormiret: Nice, thanks
[06:15] <adamant1988> matthewrevell, my only thing is that crossover comes standard in xandros (which is good for people in my community)
[06:17] <adamant1988> I prefer ubuntu though :)
[06:17] <nixternal> one thing if i could suggest guys, just for ease of search/location...is put all your marketing wiki pages containing ideas and what not under MarketingTeam/
[06:18] <nixternal> this way here, it will be easy to do an auto link generation for navigation later on
[06:18] <adamant1988> when are there going to be forums available for the marketing team (again, I guess?)
[06:18] <mindspin> never afaik
[06:18] <nixternal> ubuntuforums.com said they would give us space if needed
[06:19] <ormiret> adamant1988: it was decided at the meeting we could live without them
[06:19] <nixternal> however, do we really need forums with the use of the mailing list?
[06:19] <mindspin> forums are for discusions and the mailinglist too so I think we deceided at last meeting
[06:19] <nixternal> actually...i think the forums would be good...this way here people not on the list or scouring the wiki would get introduced to our concept
[06:20] <adamant1988> I'm ashamed and all, but I don't know how to participate in the mailing list.
[06:20] <mindspin> hehe
[06:20] <nixternal> adamant1988: aren't you on the launchpad?
[06:20] <adamant1988> I get the volumes but I don't know how to reply to the individual 'posts'.
[06:20] <adamant1988> Yeah.
[06:20] <nixternal> doesn't that put you on the list?
[06:20] <nixternal> you reply to the list, not to the individual
[06:20] <mindspin> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[06:20] <adamant1988> so reply to the volume?
[06:21] <nixternal> you don't get each one individually..you get a digest
[06:21] <nixternal> go to the link mindspin posted and change the "receive as digest" to "NO"
[06:21] <nixternal> then you will get individual emails to work with
[06:22] <adamant1988> yay, lol.
[06:22] <matthewrevell> adamant1988: Then use your mailing software to automatically pop the mailing list emails into a special foler
[06:22] <adamant1988> I was wondering how to work that out.
[06:22] <matthewrevell> s/foler/folder
[06:22] <matthewrevell> That way you don't get your inbox overloaded
[06:22] <adamant1988> yeah I was doing that anyway
[06:22] <matthewrevell> cool
[06:22] <nixternal> whoa..i decided to take a look at my filters...104 filters and counting
[06:22] <nixternal> its a wonder how kmail continues to function
[06:23] <klepas> matthewrevell: pong
[06:24] <adamant1988> I use gmail lol
[06:24] <adamant1988> I want a good mail account that I can use through a program like kmail or evolution
[06:24] <matthewrevell> klepas: Sorry, was just trying to get a full version of the ubuntu mag png. Ormiret sorted me
[06:24] <matthewrevell> Looks great.
[06:24] <matthewrevell> Will post to list
[06:24] <klepas> cool
[06:25] <klepas> i was just messing around - it's nothing concrete - but i'd be happy to polish up anything you folks want
[06:26] <mindspin> nixternal: another kubuntian ;-)
[06:26] <nixternal> oh yes
[06:27] <nixternal> KDE is my life
[06:27] <nixternal> ;)
[06:27] <nixternal> i have been with KDE since 1.0
[06:27] <adamant1988> lol I feel like a traitor using kubuntu -_-
[06:27] <mindspin> me too
[06:27] <nixternal> i have used others and like them just as well, but KDE is my style
[06:27] <mindspin> nope
[06:27] <mindspin> that was for adamant1988
[06:27] <nixternal> haha
[06:27] <adamant1988> lol
[06:28] <adamant1988> Why wasn't KDE just offered as an option at install like with suse?
[06:28] <ormiret> adamant1988: that would take more than one cd
[06:28] <mindspin> its kinda "historical" imh
[06:28] <mindspin> o
[06:29] <mindspin> and indeed the space issue
[06:29] <adamant1988> ok the space thing I understand.
[06:30] <adamant1988> So... I got an idea...
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, no dvds
[06:30] <adamant1988> and I don't know if this is something you guys might be interested in doing...
[06:31] <adamant1988> But what about a site (or section of one) dedicated to Ubuntu projects around the world or in specific areas... Like community projects, etc.
[06:32] <adamant1988> If the smaller projects get some press from the ubuntu site  there would be more popping up, a sort of "Hey, I can do that" thing.
[06:32] <ormiret> adamant1988: deffineitely something we should be dcumenting /helping (with the LoCo teams)
[06:33] <ormiret> if you write something about what youa re doing that ought to get the ball rolling
[06:34] <adamant1988> Case in point: I'm working on a project for my school system and then my town.  I've worked out a deal with system76 for a free koala mini for my school to use.  I'm producing documentation, pamphlets, studies, research papers, etc. to show my (economically strapped) town that there is a solution to Windows.
[06:34] <mindspin> where do you live adamant1988?
[06:34] <adamant1988> Elkins, WV.
[06:35] <mindspin>  WV =west virginia ?
[06:35] <adamant1988> Yes.
[06:35] <mindspin> ic
[06:35] <adamant1988> There's even talk of setting up a linux demo center and a local linux group to run it.
[06:35] <ormiret> the docs/ pamphlets are the kind of thing that SU should have
[06:36] <ormiret> save the next person to try this having to write them from scratch
[06:36] <adamant1988> and I've already collected 6 older PCs to run light versions of linux on.
[06:36] <adamant1988> I can provide them, that's not a big deal.
[06:37] <mindspin> you should consider using xubuntu on them
[06:37] <adamant1988> I'm going to talk to the local printing store about printing my pamphlets etc.
[06:37] <adamant1988> and the local computer store about getting more up to date hardware for my linux system.
[06:38] <adamant1988> for the demo I mean
[06:38] <adamant1988> point is, I know I'm not the only one with such a project going on.  and good press helps these projects and helps to get more people starting them or getting involved.
[06:39] <mindspin> why should press write aboute it ?
[06:40] <mindspin> v
[06:40] <ormiret> adamant1988: if you write up what you are doing  it can probably get on the fridge or in UWN so you can inspire others to follow
[06:40] <adamant1988> local press is interested in mine.  But I think that having an ubuntu site that helps to make people aware of these projects (like a little headline site or such) will generate more and more projects
[06:40] <adamant1988> more projects based on ubuntu is, of course, good advertising for ubuntu.
[06:41] <ormiret> adn it is exactly the kind of thing to go in SU when we get it running
[06:41] <mindspin> it is
[06:41] <mindspin> call it case studies, call it testimonials, call it examples it will be good
[06:42] <adamant1988> I mean there's no better advertising than advertising tailor-made to the community it's being done in, right? It saves us some work (the marketing team) and it helps push the 'community' nature of ubuntu
[06:44] <adamant1988> I'll even help manage it myself if need be.
[06:46] <ormiret> adamant1988: a great start would be putting up a wikipage detailing what you're doing - then you or others can write articles from that for different places
[06:46] <adamant1988> Ok, I haven't edited the wiki much, or ever.
[06:46] <adamant1988> Do I put this in the marketing team wiki or what?
[06:47] <adamant1988> oh wait
[06:47] <adamant1988> not the ubuntu wiki, I'm confused...
[06:47] <ormiret> probably something off MarketingTeam/ would be a good bet
[06:48] <mindspin> ormiret how do I add asupbage to the MarketingTeam wiki?
[06:48] <mindspin> a sub-page
[06:49] <ormiret> goto wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/[name of page goes here]  and you get a page with a link to create a new page with that name
[06:49] <mindspin> ah very handy
[06:50] <mindspin> I just didn't want to add things up at the bottom of the site
[06:52] <ormiret> anything you think should be int he wiki put it in - that's what its for :)
[06:53] <ormiret> don't worry overly much about cluttering it up, too much content is much better than too little
[06:53] <adamant1988> so I should just add a sub page as well?
[06:53] <mindspin> I#m used to cms but not to wiki, it was a pain for me when I first edited a wikipage ;-)
[06:55] <ormiret> adamant1988: yes, it will go to SU eventually but you can put it in the wiki now
[06:55] <adamant1988> ok... what exactly is spreadubuntu?
[06:56] <ormiret> going to be a site about helping people to do things to spread the word about ubuntu (pretty much exactly what you were talking about ;) )
[06:57] <adamant1988> haha, cool. :)
[06:57] <mindspin> that is a discusion in progress imho, newz2000 had a nice post to the list about it
[06:57] <newz2000> I'm here, happy to provide any additional info if you'd like
[06:58] <mindspin> I replied to it and think we have to discuss it further
[06:59] <mindspin> we= marketing team, not you and me ;-)
[07:00] <newz2000> I just wanted to toss it out there for food for thought. The team can do whatever it thinks is best and I'm happy to help however I can.
[07:01] <newz2000> I've got planned a wiki upgrade to go to 1.5 of Moin, which actually makes things a lot easier
[07:01] <newz2000> I don't have a timeline yet, but the wiki upgrade might make it more useful for you
[07:01] <mindspin> newz2000: I 'll hope there will be some more replies to your post
[07:02] <newz2000> I hope that I didn't sound to pushy. ;-) I just wanted to toss out my ideas.
[07:03] <mindspin> no you are absolutely right (I agree with about 75% of your post ;-)
[07:03] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup
[07:03] <nixternal> ^^ that is the mock up to work from there
[07:04] <nixternal> so that email everyone received, will be implemented into this mockup, voted upon, and issued one of these days ;)
[07:05] <newz2000> have you seen some sites that do an especially good job of communicationg a message similar to what you hope to communicate?
[07:05] <mindspin> not yet, beside the ubuntu main page....
[07:06] <mindspin> I didn't see spreadfirefox at all before
[07:07] <newz2000> I'm redoing the bzr website and mark suggested www.rubyonrails.org as inspiration
[07:07] <newz2000> It does a great job of keeping a narrow focus and communicating a simple message.
[07:07] <newz2000> Maybe there's something there you could use
[07:07] <newz2000> Also, I've always thought the mozilla website was good as well.
[07:09] <adamant1988> Spread Ubuntu is a big project 0_0.
[07:09] <adamant1988> is that interactive desktop looking likely at all?
[07:09] <mindspin> rubyonrails does not relly look good to me...
[07:10] <mindspin> narrow focus and simplicity lokks slightly different for me...
[07:11] <mindspin> but those are the keywords for me
[07:12] <newz2000> I'd start making a list of sites and find things you like and dislike about them. Then when you want to make a design you'll know what you want.
[07:12] <mindspin> and the idea of building acommunity of spreaders sounds smart
[07:12] <adamant1988> I have an idea for a logo for it
[07:13] <adamant1988> :) I'm going to pan it out really quick
[07:13] <nixternal> newz2000: you know, i have been looking over the fedora core projects wiki, as they have a pretty decent setup for inspiration
[07:13] <newz2000> Say, "I like this site's nav bar because ___" or "I don't like the rails site because ___"
[07:13] <mindspin> plus nice buttons for the websites, signatures, caps, shirts stickers and posters would be cool
[07:13] <nixternal> i tend to look at microsoft too ;(
[07:13] <newz2000> nixternal: what page are you looking at?
[07:13] <nixternal> newz2000: all of them
[07:13] <nixternal> lol
[07:13] <newz2000> microsoft and redhat both have good sites for inspiration, but I think they might be built for a wider focus
[07:13] <nixternal> yup
[07:13] <newz2000> nixternal: do you have a link?
[07:14] <nixternal> i use them and SuSe also
[07:14] <newz2000> for fc wiki
[07:14] <nixternal> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki
[07:14] <newz2000> what do you like?
[07:16] <newz2000> they use moin as well
[07:17] <mindspin> ;-)
[07:17] <nixternal> their layouts are clean and precise
[07:17] <nixternal> nite klepas_Zzz
[07:18] <mindspin> I like mine.... http://www.mindspin-cms-hosting.de/
[07:18] <nixternal> nice
[07:19] <nixternal> to bad i have a hard enough time reading english let alone another language ;)
[07:19] <mindspin> hehe
[07:19] <newz2000> I'd start making a list on the wiki of pages that you like and don't like.
[07:19] <newz2000> But be specific.
[07:20] <newz2000> I'm sure that between the marketing team, the art team and others in the community we can come up with a great looking design for this project.
[07:20] <mindspin> I would prefer a site which has the cd of the ubuntu main page, to be honest
[07:20] <newz2000> I know there are several people itching to help out
[07:20] <nixternal> are we referring to the Spread Ubuntu project or just our wiki page?
[07:21] <mindspin> I guess its the SU project
[07:21] <nixternal> ahh
[07:21] <mindspin> I played around with the design of the ubuntu page, but I just started...
[07:22] <nixternal> with SU i can help with content, but i stink with design ;)
[07:22] <nixternal> like newz2000 said, art team and others itching, as they would be a heck of lot more usefull then i would be ;)
[07:22] <mindspin> I can help with html and css but not with graphics
[07:23] <newz2000> I wasn't precluding you two from helping, but there is an ubelievable amount and variety of tallent available just itching to help
[07:23] <mindspin> yup
[07:23] <newz2000> So mindspin can do css, someone else can do art, someone else can direct
[07:23] <nixternal> you know what..i could be a heck of a marketer right now for the gimp project...as i am horrible with graphics, but yet gimp is so much easier to use, comes with a ton of scripts, and is free..which blows ps out of the water
[07:24] <nixternal> exactly newz2000...i think with your input and motivation too, it shoudn't be a difficult task for the team to hack it out im sure
[07:25] <nixternal> its nice to have Canonical support and very much appreciated. I believe it makes the team feel closer to the core so-to-speak
[07:25] <mindspin> no it shouldn't but its a question of decision making, do we want to create a different look for the site or not?
[07:25] <newz2000> Mindspin, are you talking about su?
[07:25] <nixternal> mindspin: my opinion, make it look like Ubuntu.com, but make it nicer ;)
[07:25] <mindspin> yup
[07:25] <nixternal> make Ubuntu.com want to change to our look ;)
[07:25] <newz2000> Sounds good
[07:25] <mindspin> that would be my opinion too
[07:26] <nixternal> although, the forums changing to the Ubuntu.com look wasn't that great of an idea ;(
[07:26] <nixternal> to me, i think they would be hard to read for the new guy
[07:26] <newz2000> I will admit the look of ubuntu.com is decided from above (mark et al)
[07:26] <newz2000> Also, the ubuntu site is schedules for a touch-up later this season
[07:26] <nixternal> time to make it edgy ;)
[07:27] <nixternal> you know what...the human colors are growing on me big time
[07:27] <mindspin> i very dislike the colors (kubuntu looks much "fresher" to me)
[07:27] <nixternal> haha
[07:27] <newz2000> ha
[07:27] <newz2000> can't make everyone happy.
[07:27] <nixternal> mindspin: i have switched away just today from the Kubuntu theme because it is to bold...human is refreshing actually
[07:28] <mindspin> maybe brown is a bit itchy for germans ;-)
[07:28] <nixternal> i was originally against the human theme for Kubuntu, but it might not be a bad idea...i mean Ubuntu in itself supports a togetherness..and all this sepearation goes against the definition i think
[07:28] <nixternal> haha mindspin
[07:30] <mindspin> togetherness does not mean uniformity for me...
[07:30] <nixternal> true
[07:31] <nixternal> very good point actually..because diversity makes a community stronger...and in that aspect, the diversity of the "flavors" of Ubuntu...i like it
[07:31] <nixternal> togetherness + diversity = Spread Ubuntu now!!!
[07:31] <newz2000> mark has explicitly said he wants kubuntu and ubuntu to be distinct
[07:32] <newz2000> There should be synergy between the designs so you know they're related (I'm interpreting his response now by the way) but colors should make the separate.
[07:32] <mindspin> in their look  I guess
[07:33] <newz2000> But the kubuntu guys have already asked for help with their website. I think there's a spec.
[07:33] <nixternal> kubuntu website needs help, no doubt
[07:33] <mindspin> so SU has to contain the look of all ubuntian flavours
[07:33] <newz2000> mindspin, maybe, maybe not
[07:34] <mindspin> I think the links to the sveral flavours will show the distinct colors
[07:34] <nixternal> i think that the colors used in Xubuntu and Ubuntu definately blend better then the ones in Kubuntu...my 2 cents of course
[07:35] <mindspin> I'll keep playing around with it and will show the result when its presenteable
[07:36] <newz2000> ok. I'm gonna break for lunch soon and need to finish up a few tasks. ping me if you need me.
[07:36] <mindspin> but keep in mind that all the graphics will be "stolen"
[07:36] <mindspin> yup, bye
[07:36] <mindspin> btw. my stomach is calling too...
[07:37] <mindspin> @now berlin
[07:37] <nixternal> hehe...mine too
[07:37] <nixternal> newz2000: where are you at if you are breaking for lunch?
[07:37] <newz2000> Des Moines Iowa, USA.
[07:37] <nixternal> it is lunch time here
[07:37] <nixternal> ahh
[07:37] <nixternal> chciago here
[07:38] <nixternal> chicago too
[07:38] <mindspin> frankfurt germany (not kentucky) here
[07:38] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:38] <mindspin> 7.30 pm here
[07:38] <nixternal> im in hanover park illinois, not hanover germany ;)
[07:38] <mindspin> haha
[07:38] <nixternal> although hanover germany is our sister city
[07:39] <mindspin> my SO was visiting chicago and milwaukee this spring
[07:39] <mindspin> and she was very impressed
[07:39] <nixternal> heh, she must of made a quick pass through to be impressed..because after a few hours you won't be impressed anymore...you will either be opressed or depressed
[07:40] <mindspin> no never
[07:40] <nixternal> i always said, if you enjoy smelling the person next to you, you will love chicago ;)
[07:40] <mindspin> she liked it especially wisconsin is very similiar to our region
[07:41] <mindspin> and partner state of hesse
[07:41] <nixternal> wisconsin can be beautiful...but milwaukee is far from that...you have the rolling hills and nice greenery in wisconsin
[07:42] <mindspin> madison was her favourite
[07:42] <mindspin> she said it was far more "european" than she thought before
[07:44] <mindspin> I got to have some food..... I will lurk in later,
[07:59] <adamant1988> I made a logo mockup for spreadubuntu...
[08:03] <_sara> can I take a look at it
[08:05] <adamant1988> sure... I don't think it's very good it's just a concept...
[08:08] <_sara> well a concept is a place to start I have some that I was sent and I want to post all of the art work in one place
[08:08] <adamant1988> http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9306/logomockup7xb.jpg =\
[08:08] <adamant1988> i'm still really new to inkscape
[08:09] <_sara> I lek the concept
[08:09] <adamant1988> Vector has never been my thing =\
[08:10] <_sara> you can always drwa it by hand and poste it
[08:10] <_sara> I find tha tsometime tracing over my hand drwaings is the best thing to do
[08:10] <adamant1988> no I mean I like doing stuff like this. http://dismalmuse.deviantart.com/
[08:11] <_sara> ohh that is a total different thing
[08:12] <adamant1988> Yeah, I know
[08:12] <adamant1988> =\
[08:12] <adamant1988> I'm good at doing wallpapers and tiny abstract graphics, but vector has always been my downfall =(
[08:12] <_sara> yeah vector is hard
[08:13] <_sara> What you don't like about the logo
[08:14] <adamant1988> what?
[08:14] <_sara> You said that you dond't think is very good
[08:15] <_sara> but I don't quiet understand what you don't like?
[08:15] <adamant1988> The globe isn't what I think it should be (not detailed enough but I couldn't find a good stock) and I feel that I didn't do well enough with the gradients, and the vector arrow is off (not all of the sides are in complete agreeance).
[08:16] <_sara> ohh, so you know what you want is just an issue of learning inkscape
[08:17] <adamant1988> I've got the idea in my head
[08:17] <adamant1988> I'd like to put the whole thing in a glass bubble.
[08:17] <adamant1988> I had another idea that involved the Ubuntu logo sprouting wings.
[08:18] <adamant1988> But I don't have near the inkscape knowledge to draw that =\
[08:18] <_sara> I like both ideas with the whole spread ubuntu concept, the spreading the wings thing would benice. I think
[08:19] <_sara> Maybe you want to post them on the mailing list so you can have more feedback
[08:19] <adamant1988> Yeah, I don't know at this point I'm just trying to be useful...
[08:19] <_sara> if you need a place to hsot them ping me and I host them. beeter thatn image shack
[08:20] <adamant1988> ok could you?
[08:20] <adamant1988> I have the svgs but imagshack won't store them
[08:20] <_sara> yeah sure jsut send me an e-mail to sara@tikal26.net. Make sure that you put ubuntu marketing int he tiel and I'll host them for you
[08:21] <_sara> I think that the svg would be nice for other to play with if you don't mind that
[08:21] <adamant1988> sure, but I just did a plain svg
[08:21] <adamant1988> inkscape svgs don't like me
[08:22] <_sara> I had problems with the svgs too. I don't know if you saw the e-mail I sent with the ubuntu magazine art work but we had problems with them too
[08:22] <_sara> I ahd to make them svg too
[08:22] <adamant1988> ok just making sure it wasn't just me
[08:23] <adamant1988> _sara, it's mailing to you now.
[08:23] <_sara> yeah so any time you need hosting I can do taht . I would like to collect all art work for spread ubuntu and the magazine and put it on a place for all to see
[08:24] <adamant1988> I think I could help a little with the magazine
[08:24] <adamant1988> I haven't seen the latest layout but the original that I saw was kind of bare
[08:26] <_sara> yeah its a start, but the good thing is that I think we need to start with some parameters
[08:26] <_sara> Like a color palte and stuff. I'll send you what wha tI sent out today
[08:28] <adamant1988> ok
[08:30] <adamant1988> do you think that logo is decent enough to at least work with?
[08:32] <_sara> I like the concept and what you might need is to spiffy it up a little bit. I think that you have clear idea of what you want is and issue of execution
[08:33] <_sara> check you mail
[08:34] <adamant1988> got it :)
[08:34] <adamant1988> I'll make a post to the mailing list I with this I guess, or do you want to?
[08:39] <_sara> go ahead you can do it.
[08:39] <adamant1988> done
[08:40] <adamant1988> that file you sent me isn't opening up correctly
[08:40] <adamant1988> I'm only seeing half the page
[08:42] <_sara> you have to right click on it and save as or save target as and then open it on inkscape.
[08:42] <adamant1988> ok
[08:43] <_sara> i just realize the likn is broke too, I had problems with this the wole morning my server has being up and down intermitenly so i will fix that later. I'll fix that  sorry about the hasse
[08:44] <adamant1988> it's ok
[08:44] <adamant1988> Uhm, the colors on the magazine seem to be really soft
[08:45] <Burgwork> adamant1988, got a linky for these colours?
[08:45] <adamant1988> I have the SVG
[08:46] <adamant1988> _sara do you think we could give the magazine a little more contrast?  Everythings so soft it all kind of runs together...
[08:47] <_sara> ok I fixed the link it should be working now.
[08:48] <_sara> if you have any ideas go ahed. I just ask that you try to stay withing the color palete and if you add any color add it to the palete and send it to me. I am just trying to keep a structure. I think that you could do that by using the colors we have now
[08:49] <adamant1988> you mean the ubuntu default colors or what?
[08:51] <_sara> I mena the color on th svg I sent you. WEll i think it is a simplyfy version of the ubuntu colors
[08:52] <adamant1988> OH I see it
[08:52] <adamant1988> duh
[08:52] <adamant1988> ok, lol...
[08:52] <adamant1988> actually I think if you made the main bg just a tad darker (orange) it would all show up fine.
[08:53] <_sara> yeah I think so tto, this wasan svg made by the a member of the art team so we could get a starting point and share