[12:09] <imbrandon> anyone else here use yaboot and dual boot with osx ?
[12:14] <zul> hey
[01:15] <SynrG> i gather i'm in the right place to look for help with #43516?
[01:16] <SynrG> wait, never mind.  it says status is "fix released"
[01:17] <SynrG> i had better get a better problem description from this user :)
[01:53] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:53] <ajmitch> hello
[01:53] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, what's shakin'?
[01:58] <LaserJock> merges :-)
[02:00] <bddebian> jsgotangco: Yeah, you can have mine! :)
[02:04] <Toadstool> g'night
[02:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: why haven't you finished yours yet?
[02:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because I'm lame
[02:10] <bddebian> I'm going to stop any Science packages though, they are a PITA
[02:11] <bddebian> ;-P
[02:27] <crimsun> bddebian: well you could always help with the X transition...
[02:28] <bddebian> crimsun: What can I do?
[02:29] <crimsun> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs is a list of packages. We're working on libs right now.
[02:29] <crimsun> (libxrender is already done but not marked as such)
[02:34] <bddebian> crimsun: What do they need?  Merges?
[02:37] <crimsun> yes.
[02:37] <crimsun> syncs preferred as always, but merges.
[02:37] <crimsun> there's no MoM. We're by-handing them.
[02:41] <bddebian> I do that anyway
[02:41] <bddebian> I thought we strayed from Debian?
[02:44] <crimsun> we diverged in the monolithic days
[02:44] <crimsun> now we're realigning
[02:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Which should I do?
[03:06] <crimsun> sorry, I was doing alsa fixes
[03:08] <crimsun> (still doing them, back in ~5 mins)
[03:14] <bddebian> crimsun: When you return.  For syncs just do an LP sync request like I do for my Universe packages?
[03:15] <crimsun> bddebian: only if they're true syncs (which in this case is an actual version bump, like from 1:1.0.0 -> 1:1.0.1)
[03:15] <crimsun> bddebian: otherwise you'll have to fakesync
[03:16] <crimsun> (i.e., fakesync when Ubuntu & Debian have identical orig.tar.gz /names/ -- which guarantees an orig.tar.gz mismatch)
[03:16] <crimsun> bddebian: also, make sure all the build-deps are available in the archive first
[03:18] <bddebian> crimsun: libxtst built fine in pbuilder
[03:20] <crimsun> but it can't be uploaded yet
[03:20] <crimsun> it's blocked on the transitioned libxext
[03:21] <crimsun> hopefully mith will upload that in the morning
[03:23] <bddebian> Ah, hmm
[03:24] <bddebian> So, what should I do?
[03:24] <crimsun> see if any others in that list can be uploaded :)
[03:25] <crimsun> in libs, that is
[03:26] <bddebian> Damn libxi needs libxext also
[03:28] <bddebian> as does libxinerama
[03:29] <crimsun> I think most of the rest are blocked on something else. I checked earlier, but a second pair of eyes never hurts.
[03:33] <bddebian> libxkbui?
[03:35] <crimsun> blocked on transitioned libxt
[03:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: your statement means x is still broken?  i was hoping you wouldnt say that.
[03:36] <crimsun> argh, need to fix libxrender
[03:37] <bddebian> crimsun: Doesn't that page say rodarvus did libxt?  Or is it not uploaded yet?
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:38] <crimsun> bddebian: that page only tracks who grabbed a LOCK
[03:38] <bddebian> Well I'm not sure there's anything for me to do then
[03:38] <crimsun> it doesn't say whether the LOCK was released, whether a transitioned/merged source package was uploaded, or whether one was uploaded-built-published
[03:39] <crimsun> you have to check the source packages' pages -> build logs
[03:39] <crimsun> Hobbsee: broken, dunno. being transitioned, yes.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right, cool.  i might be able to build stuff again then
[03:43] <ryanakca> I don't want to jump to conclusions... but... is archives.ubuntu.com down, or is it a local problem? http://pastebin.ca/81030
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: looks like a local problem - i can still connect to the kubuntu.org repos
[03:44] <crimsun> ryanakca: that looks like a proxy issue.
[03:44] <crimsun> Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[03:44] <ryanakca> proxy?
[03:44] <crimsun> Err http://ku
[03:44] <ryanakca> hmmm... never used one...
[03:44] <crimsun> yes, it's accessing localhost:4001
[03:44] <ryanakca> hmmm... is there a list of packages installed with aptitude?
[03:45] <ryanakca> I'll try looking threw there...
[03:47] <DarkMageZ> crimsun, so it's not just me having issues finding libXrender.la?
[03:51] <crimsun> DarkMageZ: apps should not be looking for it.
[03:52] <DarkMageZ> i'm trying to compile rhythmbox with a custom patch =D
[03:52] <crimsun> just about anything building against X Window System won't build in Edgy until the transition is complete.
[03:53] <crimsun> particularly if what you're trying to build is 1) GTK+-based; 2) relies on .la
[03:53] <DarkMageZ> hmm, this is on the dapper box...
[03:54] <DarkMageZ> i did "apt-get build-dep rhythmbox", odd
[03:55] <crimsun> hmm, in Dapper? It should work.
[03:55] <crimsun> are you using Dapper's rhythmbox source package, too?
[03:56] <DarkMageZ> grabbed it from launchpad manually, the 0.9.3.1, and the .diff to apply the ubuntu patches. then the diff i'm using to fix an issue
[03:57] <DarkMageZ> what package should libXrender.la be in?
[03:57] <crimsun> we don't ship it.
[03:59] <DarkMageZ> hmm, very odd... cause it's the ubuntu rhythmbox source package + http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=68474&action=view
[04:02] <DarkMageZ> i'll see if it builds without my patch
[04:02] <DarkMageZ> my refering to not ubuntu
[04:03] <crimsun> freeflying: zhcon 1:0.2.6-1 was synced (and has built on i386 at least)
[04:04] <freeflying> crimsun: nice,thx
[04:34] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[04:37] <ajmitch> finished your merges?
[04:43] <bddebian> Nope, waiting on crimsun to finish X first ;-P
[04:43] <ajmitch> why aren't you doing it instead?
[04:43] <ajmitch> leaving all the work to crimsun..
[04:45] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course, crimsun is the MacDaddy
[04:52] <crimsun> I'm a new McDonald's menu item?
[04:53] <crimsun> I'm pretty ambivalent toward that
[04:53] <bddebian> Nah, you DA MAN
[04:53] <crimsun> ...yeah, I think I may prefer being a menu item
[04:54] <bddebian> (*^&*&%^$\
[04:54] <bddebian> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:54] <bddebian>   libgtkhtml3.8-dev: Depends: libgnomeprintui2.2-dev but it is not going to be installed
[04:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, that's expected
[04:55] <bddebian> Not by me it ain't :-)
[04:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: started on your zope merges yet? :-)
[05:00] <ajmitch> yes
[05:00] <ajmitch> of course 95% will be syncs
[05:10] <bddebian> of course :-)
[05:11] <Laser_away> hmm, I wish 95% of my stuff were syncs, obviously I'm doing something wrong :-)
[05:14] <bddebian> Yeah LaserJock, straighten up
[05:15] <bddebian> :-)
[05:15] <LaserJock> well, getting things upstream would definately help
[05:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: All you have to do is become a DD and maintain your own packages :-)
[05:15] <LaserJock> heh, I've already got 2 in Debian, that is enough for me
[05:15] <LaserJock> I don't think I'll become a DD
[05:16] <LaserJock> too much work and politics for a poor chemist :-)
[05:16] <bddebian> I wanted to for a long time but changed my mind
[05:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:22] <jsgotangco> i could finally see my house in google earth
[05:24] <imbrandon> hrm where does dch get your email address from ? the local user account ?
[05:53] <Kibbled_bits> hi all
[05:56] <Kibbled_bits> is anyone here alive?
[05:57] <Kibbled_bits> I'm looking to help on the MOTU project
[05:59] <Hobbsee> Kibbled_bits: heya
[05:59] <Kibbled_bits> hey Hobb
[06:00] <Kibbled_bits> I want to get involved in the Ubuntu project I read to get involved in MOTA
[06:00] <Kibbled_bits> I read some online, so here I am
[06:00] <Kibbled_bits> :)
[06:00] <crimsun> Kibbled_bits: great, what are you interested in?
[06:01] <Kibbled_bits> honestly whatever I can help with
[06:01] <Kibbled_bits> I'm a programmer
[06:01] <Kibbled_bits> but have some experience with administration too
[06:02] <crimsun> Kibbled_bits: we mostly deal with packaging (universe/multiverse) in this channel, but other Ubuntu irc channels have other foci. For instance, #ubuntu-doc is where the docteam coordinates; #ubuntu-kernel is where our kernel team coordinates; #ubuntu-boot, #ubuntu-toolchain, #ubuntu-x, etc.
[06:02] <Kibbled_bits> I can help packaging
[06:03] <crimsun> A very important channel is #ubuntu-bugs. It's a great place to get your feet wet with triaging bugs in the projects.
[06:03] <crimsun> And of course, there're #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu.
[06:04] <Kibbled_bits> where would you say is the greatest demand
[06:04] <Kibbled_bits> between here and the bugs?
[06:04] <crimsun> There's demand everywhere. :)
[06:05] <Kibbled_bits> thanks for the intro crimsun
[06:05] <Kibbled_bits> what if I want to help here
[06:05] <crimsun> A good place to start is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[06:05] <Kibbled_bits> I'm there
[06:06] <Kibbled_bits> MOTU is related to Debian I assume
[06:06] <crimsun> if you're not familiar w/ Ubuntu or Debian packaging, try the Packaging Guide on your computer. It's located in the System> Help> System Documentation  menu
[06:07] <Kibbled_bits> I found the "Requested Packages"
[06:08] <ajmitch> is it really worth doing a merge of python2.3?
[06:09] <crimsun> ajmitch: probably, but doko's opinion matters more
[06:10] <ajmitch> crimsun: I suspect we'll be dropping it from universe, along with zope2.8
[06:10] <ajmitch> ah, it was synced anyway
[06:10] <ajmitch> just FTBFS
[06:10] <Kibbled_bits> thanks crimsun, I'm reading it now
[06:29] <LaserJock> hmmmmm
[06:30] <ajmitch> hm?
[06:30] <LaserJock> so I'm reviewing something on REVU and I decided to check the .orig.tar.gz against the one from the homepage
[06:31] <LaserJock> the .orig.tar.gz is twice the size of the tar.gz from the homepage
[06:31] <ajmitch> nice
[06:31] <ajmitch> probably has 2 copies of the source in it
[06:31] <LaserJock> supposedly the same version
[06:31] <ajmitch> yet another Hobbsee_
[06:31] <LaserJock> ah, yes. that's it ajmitch
[06:32] <LaserJock> right on
[06:32] <Hobbsee_> hehe
[06:32] <Hobbsee_> yes, yet another one
[06:32] <ajmitch> apt really isn't playing nicely with squid here
[06:32] <ajmitch> if it uses squid, it nearly always fails to fetch the universe packages file
[06:33] <imbrandon> yea the little bit i have delt with squid in the past its been a nightmare ( abet thats only been a very limmited exp )
[06:33] <ajmitch> darn
[06:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you get it built,b tw?
[06:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea on my ppc, thats why i left and came back i'm on my amd64 now building the i386 and amd64 versions
[06:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> hmm, so this tarball is also shipped as a debian native, so the package wiped out the debian/ and started over, is that ok?
[06:34] <LaserJock> s/package/packager/
[06:34] <imbrandon> i'm gonna try to setup dpkg-cross or something to automate the ppc version though
[06:35] <imbrandon> anyone here setup a cross toolchain for ppc on i386/x64 ?
[06:35] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you'd be lucky
[06:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch yea i might just do the ppc ones by hand although that will get to be a pain later on
[06:36] <imbrandon> oh well
[06:37] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you get to be the first guiney ( sp? ) pig once this finishes building since it was your idea ;)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: woohoo!  sounds like fun
[06:38] <Hobbsee> wasnt exactly my idea, per se.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> besides, it's not like the entire system would break.
[06:38] <imbrandon> heheh well kinda ;) hehe yea you will still have irssi ;)
[06:38] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:39] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:39] <Hobbsee> night bddebian
[06:39] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[06:40] <imbrandon> cp -R ../official/konversation-0.19/debian/ /home/brandon/files/dapper/konversation/nightly/
[06:40] <imbrandon> gah
[07:32] <Toadstool> 'morning
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach!
[08:18] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> I'm amused.
[08:18] <bluefoxicy> I have 3 tabs in gnome terminal, ran qemu from the first, or something
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> I'm switiching back and forth, every time I hit the first tab, gnome terminal gets like 4 lines taller.
[08:24] <robitaille> bluefoxicy,  that looks like bug 35342
[08:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35342 in gnome-terminal "Geometry size of the terminal window increases (dapper)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35342
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> robitaille:  Aww, I was going to file "gnome-terminal gets bigger when you play with it"
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:31] <highvoltage> sivang: how's it going with the free space spec?
[08:37] <TheMuso> c
[08:38] <\sh> moins
[08:48] <imbrandon> moins \sh
[10:04] <freeflying> crimsun: will zhcon-0.2.6 backport to dapper?
[10:06] <crimsun> freeflying: if the buildd infrastructure can handle it, we'll do it shortly, otherwise it'll block til that's finished
[10:53] <crimsun> Toadstool: ping, fabbione would like you to be extremely careful when triaging X-SWAT bugs
[10:54] <Toadstool> crimsun: uh? what did I do?
[10:55] <crimsun> Toadstool: I have no idea, just relaying the message from -bugs
[10:58] <Hobbsee> ogra: ping?
[11:03] <ogra> Hobbsee, pong ?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ogra: when you did the merge of rss-glx, werent you going to add xscreensavers-gl as a dep?
[11:04] <ogra> Hobbsee, i'll add it, dont worry :)
[11:05] <ogra> currently i want to get my merges done, then i'll jump on the bugs
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ogra: okay, i was just glancing around the kde bug list, and saw that one still there and thought "i wonder what happened to that". if you want, i can patch it and you can sponsor it.  /me shrugs.
[11:05] <ogra> there are a *lot* of screensaver bugs, i'll have to poke aroundin the package a lot
[11:05] <Hobbsee> that is true
[11:06] <ogra> it wont get lost, dont worry ...
[11:06] <Hobbsee> ogra: okay.  i'm still looking for stuff to patch - i'm bored hehe!
[11:06] <ogra> (with bad luck i'll even have to merge it again if debian updates the package during next week :))
[11:06] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[11:38] <rob> hmm, the edgy democracyplayer package has changes to the source?
[11:52] <shawarma> Could someone please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2626 for me?
[11:53] <shawarma> crimsun: It's the rawstudio package again with the copyright changes included..
[11:56] <shawarma> I'm going to hang out with upstream in a few hours and it'd be really cool if I could tell him that it's in. :-)
[11:58] <cain__> chz
[12:18] <\sh> ajmitch: i merged aqsis
[12:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: he's away for the weekend
[12:19] <Hobbsee> FYI
[12:19] <\sh> Hobbsee: ah ok :)
[12:19] <rob> hi
[12:20] <rob> heh
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hi rob
[12:21] <rob> I'm getting something odd when building a package from the edgy repo for dapper
[12:21] <rob> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[12:22] <rob> am I right to guess that the original source has been changed by whoever uploaded the package?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> rob: which package, and where did you grab it from?
[12:24] <rob> democracyplayer
[12:24] <rob> from the edgy repo
[12:26] <rob> ok, so I copied the offending files from the orig.tar.gz into the actual unzipped package that I'm building from it, lets see what happens
[12:26] <rob> the package was recently synced from the debian repo
[12:27] <shawarma> rob: 'unrepresentable changes to source' often means that there's some binary left from the build process when you're trying to make a new .diff.gz. Could that be the case?
[12:28] <rob> could be, I'm doing dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[12:33] <shawarma> rob: Usually there's a hint about the offending file.
[12:34] <shawarma> rob: Do you see it?
[12:34] <rob> yes
[12:34] <rob> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to portable/BitTornado/clock.pyc: binary file contents changed
[12:34] <rob> dpkg-source: cannot represent change to portable/BitTornado/__init__.pyc: binary file contents changed
[12:35] <shawarma> rob: Yeah, that's it then. You've probably run it from the source directory, right?
[12:35] <shawarma> rob: a 'find . -name "*.pyc" -print0 | xargs -0 rm ' should to the trick.
[12:37] <rob> yes, I ran it from the source directory
[12:37] <rob> being above portable though, same level as debian/
[12:38] <rob> thats giving me: rm: missing operand
[12:38] <shawarma> That can't be right...
[12:39] <shawarma> try: find . -name "*.pyc"
[12:39] <rob> nothing
[12:39] <shawarma> what's your $PWD?
[12:39] <rob> /home/rob/packaging/democracyplayer/democracyplayer-0.8.4.1
[12:40] <shawarma> oh...
[12:40] <shawarma> Maybe it's the other way around! Maybe the .pyc files were there before, but now they're not!
[12:40] <shawarma> That's a new one. :-)
[12:40] <rob> defiantly new to me :(
[12:41] <shawarma> rob: Were those two files the only ones it complained about or did you just yank those two out of a long list?
[12:41] <rob> definitely even
[12:41] <rob> no, just those two
[12:41] <shawarma> Ok. check if they're in the .orig.tar.gz.
[12:41] <rob> the files are, yes
[12:42] <shawarma> Ok. Put those two back, then.
[12:42] <shawarma> And if you can, fix the upstream makefile to NOT remove them in the clean target.
[12:44] <rob> ok
[12:45] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: When you have a minute, speech-dispatcher is ready for you to look at. I think I have learnt not to cut and paste when it comes to packaging metadata. :)
[12:49] <rob> it looks like the rules file was removing them
[12:49] <rob> I've commented out the offending line, see what happens now
[12:51] <rob> hmm, nope
[12:55] <shawarma> rob: Same error?
[12:56] <rob> yes
[12:56] <rob> there don't appear to be any makefiles in the package
[12:56] <shawarma> rob: You DID put the files back in, right?
[12:56] <rob> only the one line in the rules file that rm's all the .pyc files, but commenting that out makes no difference
[12:56] <rob> yes
[12:56] <shawarma> Are they still around?
[12:57] <rob> yes
[12:58] <shawarma> Hmm... Very odd. Could you compare and md5 of what you have in the unpacked dir and the ones in the tarball?
[12:58] <shawarma> There must be some reason why it thinks they've been changed.
[01:00] <rob> both files have the exact same md5sum
[01:11] <Gloubiboulga> TheMuso, my answer won't be very friendly, but you should read the python packaging guide, a lot of things have changed recently
[01:11] <Gloubiboulga> I have to read it again myself :)
[01:12] <Gloubiboulga> even better, I have to understand it :p
[01:12] <TheMuso> Gloubiboulga: Right.
[01:12] <TheMuso> Is that guide on the wiki?
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> no, it's the debian policy
[01:13] <TheMuso> Gar! Why can't python stop being a moving target?
[01:13] <Gloubiboulga> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/
[01:13] <TheMuso> ah ok
[01:13] <sladen> oh gawd, what no evilness has python packaging accquired?
[01:14] <TheMuso> It just seems to me that the way that python stuff is packaged from version to version etc seems to change a lot.
[01:14] <TheMuso> Thats how I see it anyway.
[01:20] <TheMuso> Hmmm ok. The guide says that /usr/share/python-support is not used.
[01:20] <TheMuso> I must have misread what crimsun said to me the other day about python support and locations.
[01:22] <sladen> maybe we can get crimsun to shed some light
[01:25] <Electryfier> Hey, does anyone know how to turn source code into .deb installers
[01:26] <rob> yes
[01:27] <rob> http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[01:27] <Electryfier> ok
[01:27] <Electryfier> thx
[01:27] <rob> np
[01:57] <Electryfier> Does anyone know which is the best antivirus in the repositories?
[01:57] <rob> umm..
[01:57] <pygi> Electryfier, this is not the right channel :P
[01:57] <pygi> #ubuntu
[01:57] <pygi> and ClamAV is mostly only one
[01:57] <Electryfier> Ok
[01:57] <Electryfier> then adios
[01:58] <shawarma> rob: Did you figure the democracyplayer thing out yet?
[01:58] <rob> shawarma, no
[01:58] <rob> the only place I can find where it cleans those files is in the rules file, but removing the offending line causes the same error but for about 5 different files
[01:59] <rob> my brain hurts :(
[01:59] <shawarma> rob: Try unpacking the orig and applying the diff somewhere else and move the .pyc check the md5sums of the .pyc files in there.
[01:59] <shawarma> Oh... It's for different files?
[01:59] <rob> yeah
[02:00] <rob> hmm my kicker has locked up
[02:00] <rob> grr
[02:01] <rob> yeah I might try that, but I'm too tired now
[02:01] <Hobbsee> hi Kyral
[02:01] <rob> thanks for the advise though
[02:02] <rob> *advice
[02:02] <Kyral> ehlo
[02:02] <shawarma> If it's different files, then that's not it.
[02:02] <rob> yeah
[02:02] <rob> actually, includes those files, plus several other files
[02:02] <shawarma> Ah, ok.
[02:03] <shawarma> if you just download the source again and try a dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa.. does that work?
[02:04] <shawarma> ie. no changes applied by you.
[02:04] <rob> ok (none were the first time)
[02:05] <shawarma> When did it stop working then?
[02:06] <rob> it never did
[02:07] <shawarma> er... it's not working now.. You're getting "unrepresentable changes" and things..
[02:08] <rob> yep
[02:08] <shawarma> So... if it worked in the beginning..
[02:08] <shawarma> and it's not working now...
[02:08] <shawarma> at some point it must have begun not working.
[02:08] <rob> I only just downloaded the source, and tried to build it
[02:09] <shawarma> rob: No... You said you tried running it.
[02:09] <rob> ?
[02:10] <shawarma> 12:35 < shawarma> rob: Yeah, that's it then. You've probably run it from the source directory, right?
[02:10] <shawarma> 12:35 < shawarma> rob: a 'find . -name "*.pyc" -print0 | xargs -0 rm ' should to the trick.
[02:10] <shawarma> 12:37 < rob> yes, I ran it from the source directory
[02:10] <rob> oh..
[02:10] <rob> I thought you meant "ran pbuilder"
[02:11] <shawarma> When? Just now or when I asked at 12:35?
[02:11] <rob> well, I just redownloaded the source package fresh from the repo, and then tried to build, and it fails with the same error
[02:11] <rob> both
[02:11] <shawarma> Ah.. That's an entirely different story then. i had no idea pbuilder was involved. :-)
[02:12] <rob> oh, heh sorry :)
[02:14] <shawarma> I'll just have to update my pbuilder and try the build.. I'll grab some lunch in the meantime. I'll be back in half and hour.
[02:14] <rob> ok, well its about bed time for me, so I'll catch you later
[02:52] <\sh> ok...I'm going down the universe merge list
[03:14] <shawarma> Could some please take a quick look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2626 ?
[03:22] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:23] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[03:23] <bddebian> Hi Toadstool
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[03:37] <shawarma> Could I pursuado you to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2626 ? You've already checked it out once and I've made the changes you proposed.
[03:38] <shawarma> hub: ^^
[03:40] <nexu> how do i pick another gpg key to use?
[03:42] <shawarma> nexu: with gpg? pbuilder? dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:44] <nexu> just in general
[03:45] <nexu> i'm trying to sign Release file
[03:45] <nexu> but it keeps signing with a 'wrong' key
[03:45] <nexu> i know how to pick another key when building packages
[03:46] <Toadstool> ping bddebian
[03:47] <shawarma> nexu: default-key in .gnupg/gpg.conf
[03:48] <nexu> shawarma: what about the ENV GPGKEY ?
[03:48] <nexu> doesnt that suppose to work aswell ?
[03:49] <bddebian> Toadstool: Yo
[03:49] <shawarma> nexu: Never heard of it.
[03:49] <Toadstool> bddebian: wanna upload a merge for me? :)
[03:49] <shawarma> nexu: That does not mean it doesn't exist, though. :-)
[03:49] <bddebian> slomo: Damn it did you upload anjuta?
[03:49] <tseng> dholbach: oh cool, can we build gnome stuff again?
[03:49] <Toadstool> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2628
[03:49] <nexu> shawarma: hmm i read it somewhere about it ...
[03:49] <nexu> shawarma: but thanks, this works for now
[03:49] <hub> shawarma: I saw it this morning. didn't have the time yet
[03:49] <bddebian> Toadstool: Yeah, give me a bit
[03:49] <nexu> shawarma: i'll dig thru manual more later on about the env GPGKEY
[03:50] <Toadstool> bddebian: thanks
[03:50] <slomo> bddebian: yes, why?
[03:50] <shawarma> hub: Okay. the thing is that I'm going to hang out with upstream in a n hour or so, and it'd be so cool to be able to tell them that it's in. :-)
[03:50] <zul> hi
[03:51] <hub> shawarma: you need more than one advocate
[03:51] <Toadstool> hey zul
[03:51] <hub> shawarma: and I'm at work atm
[03:51] <slomo> bddebian: i had the merge (+stuff) ready since 3 days but it didn't build because of libxft-dev
[03:51] <dholbach> tseng: we're still merging :)
[03:52] <shawarma> hub: Yes, I know I need two. But one is closer to two than none. :-) But if you're at work, don't worry. I'll bug someone else.
[03:58] <bddebian> slomo: I know I've had it ready for a week :-)
[03:59] <slomo> bddebian: oh, before it failed for devhelp but i fixed that... hrm, sorry :( did you enable the gtksourceview and svn plugins too?
[03:59] <bddebian> No worries, I'm just giving you a hard time :-)
[04:00] <bddebian> slomo: Can you take the rest of mine too then? ;-P
[04:03] <hub> elektra hasn't been packaged for Ubuntu?
[04:03] <slomo> bddebian: i would prefer to not take them ;) i still have enough other stuff todo and many merges :(
[04:04] <slomo> bddebian: i only took anjuta because it was on one of my transition lists
[04:04] <bddebian> Excuses, excuses ;-)
[04:10] <hub> crap libexiv2-dev 0.10 is incompatible with the previous one
[04:15] <bddebian> Toadstool: Is this a merge?
[04:16] <Toadstool> yep
[04:17] <bddebian> OK
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> hi bddebian, hi all
[04:36] <Toadstool> thanks for the upload bddebian
[04:37] <bddebian> NP
[04:41] <nexu> gaahh, how do i get scripts for edgy for in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/
[04:42] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ dlocate /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/edgy
[04:42] <dholbach> debootstrap: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/edgy
[04:42] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[04:42] <nexu> Version: 0.3.3.0ubuntu2
[04:42] <nexu> what version of debootstrap is that?
[04:42] <ogra> dholbach, i guess he wants it on dapper ;)
[04:43] <nexu> yah
[04:43] <dholbach> install edgy debootstrap on dapper :)
[04:43] <ogra> you should be able to just build edgys debootstrap on dapper and use it ... (thats what we do on the buildds)
[04:43] <dholbach>  debootstrap    0.3.3.0ubuntu3
[04:44] <dholbach> and packages.ubuntu.com helps too
[04:44] <ogra> or if its a pbuilder you care about, just buiold a dapper one and upgrade
[04:44] <dholbach> it knows versions and containing files
[04:44] <nexu> yeah its for pbuilder indeed
[04:44] <nexu> want to make edgy packages from dapper
[04:44] <ogra> then i'd rather upgrade a dapper one
[04:45] <nexu> got it
[04:49] <hub> shawarma: still the same issues. can't advocate
[04:53] <hub> is there something cleaner than dh_make to generate debian packaging?
[04:54] <dholbach> dh_make -b <...>; rm debian/{*.ex,*.EX,dirs,docs,README.Debian}? :)
[04:54] <hub> ah ok
[04:55] <tseng> mkdir debian/
[04:55] <tseng> cp -a myotherdebiandir/ .
[04:55] <tseng> ? :)
[04:55] <tseng> not recommended
[04:56] <bddebian> heh
[04:59] <Erlang> funniest little gamers: http://www.little-gamers.com/
[04:59] <hub> tseng: I do that usually
[04:59] <hub> I just wanted to know if I was crazy or not
[05:00] <tseng> it works
[05:02] <seaLne> can anyone suggest what might cause the following error "tar: -: file name read contains nul character" when building a package?
[05:44] <Electryfier> does anyone know where to get makeinfo
[05:44] <LaserJock> ok, I've got a question, if you are packaging a new package where upstream has a /debian, what do you do?
[05:44] <bddebian> Electryfier: texinfo
[05:45] <tseng> you politely ask upstream to stop doing that
[05:45] <LaserJock> k, is it alright to blow away their debian/ in the .orig.tar.gz?
[05:45] <tseng> uh
[05:45] <tseng> no?
[05:45] <tseng> you cant repack an orig.tar.gz
[05:45] <tseng> then it wouldnt be orig
[05:46] <LaserJock> k
[05:46] <tseng> you would build a native package if you insisted on continuing on this path
[05:46] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting. This is for a REVU review
[05:46] <LaserJock> and I wasn't sure how to handle it
[05:48] <Electryfier> where can I get gnome-config
[05:48] <Electryfier> does anyone know?
[05:49] <bddebian> Electryfier: Try packages.ubuntu.com and use the "Search for contents of packages" search
[05:49] <Electryfier> I'll try
[05:51] <bddebian> BTW, gnome-config is in libgnome-dev
[05:51] <Gloubiboulga> libgnome-dev: usr/bin/gnome-config
[05:52] <Gloubiboulga> apt-file is so cool ;)
[05:52] <bddebian> :-)
[05:54] <Electryfier> thx
[06:15] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:15] <Lathiat> what sthe dela with the x11 stuff & merges
[06:15] <Lathiat> *deal
[06:20] <brainsik> Is there a document which (or can somone here) explains how security fixes are applied to the release version of the universe repository?
[06:22] <bddebian> Lathiat: They are in process
[06:22] <bddebian> brainsik: They are approved and uploaded to a seperate repo
[06:23] <Lathiat> bddebian: i mean, i read somethign about not merging some things until its done?
[06:23] <bddebian> Lathiat: Well some packages depend on the libs and they should be merged first, true
[06:23] <brainsik> bddebian: Can I expect that sec fixes which happen in Debian for packages also in universe will eventually come through?
[06:23] <bddebian> For example libxext was a biggie
[06:24] <LaserJock> brainsik: I would think so
[06:24] <bddebian> brainsik: I don't believe it is automatic, no if that is what you mean.
[06:24] <bddebian> But I am often wrong :-)
[06:24] <LaserJock> brainsik: we grab the newest version of unstable when we start the release process
[06:25] <brainsik> LaserJock: i'm interested in how security fixes are applied to the current release
[06:25] <LaserJock> oh
[06:25] <LaserJock> well as they come in they can be uploaded to -security for sure, but it takes man power to do so
[06:26] <brainsik> LaserJock: basically, i'm evaluating whether to switch a cluster from debian to ubuntu, but i can't find anything about how security fixes are handled
[06:26] <LaserJock> brainsik: security fixes are handled through the -security repo
[06:26] <Lathiat> im asuming he means the process of security updates and what not?
[06:27] <brainsik> LaserJock: yeah, but everything that talks about the universe repository disclaims guarantee for security fixes
[06:27] <Lathiat> brainsik: that is correct
[06:27] <seaLne> could someone have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2635 its a newly package app
[06:27] <LaserJock> brainsik: right, so no guarantee as the work is done by community volunteers
[06:27] <bddebian> brainsik: Yes, Universe is not officially supported by Canonical
[06:27] <brainsik> right, that's a nice cover-the-ass statement, but i want to know what really happens. :)
[06:28] <Lathiat> the reality is universe security stuff is done to some exent by some people
[06:28] <Lathiat> as far as ic an tell no where near as comprehensive as main
[06:28] <LaserJock> mostly depends on the package and if it is on our radar
[06:30] <brainsik> so, this is what it sounds like, please correct me if i'm wrong: something gets fixed in Debian which is part of universe .. if someone on the MOTU team cares, then they may merge that fix into the ubuntu package and upload it to the security repository.
[06:30] <LaserJock> or somebody files a bug in Malone, yes
[06:31] <bddebian> brainsik: Bascially, yes.  Users are certainly free to file bugs on Launchpad also
[06:31] <brainsik> okay, this is very helpful.
[06:32] <Yagisan> brainsik: sometimes people like myself find and fix security bugs in universe, before sending it on to Debian
[06:33] <brainsik> Yagisan: that's good to know
[06:33] <Tonio_> hi
[06:33] <brainsik> right now, we are only relying on one package from universe: python-psyco .. any feelings about how important the MOTU team considers that?
[06:33] <brainsik> that's probably an unfair question :)
[06:34] <Yagisan> brainsik: it really would depend on the individual member. (Disclaimer, I'm not a MOTU)
[06:34] <brainsik> thank you all, this was very helpful.
[06:35] <LaserJock> hmm, I would think python in general would have a better chance then Universe as a whole
[06:35] <LaserJock> I'm not sure about psyco specifically
[06:35] <Yagisan> brainsik: it's not any less support then say, Debian
[06:36] <LaserJock> brainsik: you're always welcome join us and make sure python-psyco has good security support :-)
[06:36] <brainsik> Yagisan: why do you think that?
[06:36] <brainsik> LaserJock: :) i'm contemplating it :)
[06:36] <brainsik> LaserJock: need to decide to switch to ubuntu first
[06:37] <Yagisan> brainsik: should me miss an update, it's almost certainly rolled into the next release, which is always every 6 months
[06:37] <Yagisan> s/me/we
[06:37] <Yagisan> brainsik: I'm happy I switched my business over
[06:38] <brainsik> Yagisan: heh, yeah, well sometimes that's an unacceptable wait time
[06:38] <brainsik> Yagisan: what kind of business is it?
[06:38] <Yagisan> brainsik: IT Security
[06:38] <Yagisan> heh
[06:38] <brainsik> :)
[06:39] <Yagisan> brainsik: look, a certain large competitor, often does not fix their products, even when a vulnerability in them is publicly known
[06:41] <Yagisan> brainsik: this place never does that. you always get a fix. (but you may need to file the bug to get it quick)
[06:42] <Yagisan> if no one picked it up already
[06:42] <brainsik> Yagisan: are you comparing Ubuntu to Debian?
[06:42] <Yagisan> no
[06:43] <Yagisan> Thinking more of a non-volunteer organisation that I migrate customers from to Ubuntu
[06:43] <brainsik> :)
[06:44] <brainsik> Well, my only concern is Debian, because that's what our cluster is on now.
[06:45] <brainsik> Yagisan: I'm trying to get a sense of what I can expect from the universe repository as it compares to Debian .. i think i have an idea now thanks to everyone in here.
[06:45] <Yagisan> brainsik: universe pretty much has the same support as debian stable
[06:45] <Yagisan> for the current release of Ubuntu
[06:46] <Yagisan> brainsik: feel free to join, and help make it better support
[06:47] <brainsik> Yagisan: I definitely will consider that, but I need to decide to move to Ubuntu first. :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> brainsik: actually, if it is only one package (or a few) I'd say they security support can be quite good
[06:48] <LaserJock> s/they/the/
[06:48] <brainsik> LaserJock: so far, it looks like it's just python-psyco
[06:49] <brainsik> LaserJock: just trying to cover my own ass on all of this :)
[06:49] <LaserJock> of course
[06:49] <bddebian> :-)
[06:54] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know of a place where I can look at who signed my gpg key?
[06:54] <bddebian> Holy cow openvrml is a pig
[06:55] <ogra> LaserJock, keyserver.mine.nu
[06:55] <brainsik> LaserJock: do you have the key?
[06:55] <LaserJock> brainsik: yeah, I just want to see what's on the keyservers
[06:55] <ogra> LaserJock, but since you should upload signatures yourself, you should know who signed it
[06:55] <ogra> ;)
[06:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: gpg --check-sigs?
[06:56] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I wanted to make sure that it all worked
[06:57] <ogra> just lokup yourself on a keyserver
[06:57] <ogra> +o
[06:57] <LaserJock> yeah, got it
[06:57] <LaserJock> some of the keyservers just seem to show the fingerprint
[06:57] <LaserJock> not a list of people who signed it
[06:57] <LaserJock> but the one you gave me worked fine
[06:58] <jsgotangco> you will have to download those public keys as well
[06:58] <jsgotangco> heh! more than a year after UDU, mako signed my key
[06:58] <ogra> mine too :)
[06:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:58] <LaserJock> yeah, I got mine, that's why I asked
[06:59] <LaserJock> I'm got my "strong set" significantly stronger ;-)
[07:00] <jsgotangco> you'll never catch up with our awesome key msd ranks!
[07:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:00] <jsgotangco> kidding
[07:00] <ogra> to bad fabio wasnt there ... you would be in the top 1000 wiht his signature
[07:00] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:00] <jsgotangco> lamont too
[07:00] <ogra> yep
[07:00] <LaserJock> well, I just wanted somebody that was debian/ubuntu related
[07:00] <LaserJock> that was my goal
[07:00] <ogra> but you got mine and dholbach's that should already get you near :)
[07:00] <sladen> LaserJock: probably got lots!
[07:01] <jsgotangco> bah! that's not the pokemon spirit!
[07:01] <dholbach> haha :)
[07:01] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah
[07:01] <LaserJock> and I got jerome and mako, so ...
[07:02] <jsgotangco> i used to be like 1200 in global msd but it dropped
[07:03] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/92742B33.html
[07:04] <sladen> think I dropped out of the top 200 ... I haven't done much for the few years
[07:04] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: beautiful, I was just going to ask
[07:04] <ogra> lol, update.manager/notifiaer really have a problem ...
[07:05] <sladen> if you do actually make an effort, it's surprisingly fast to get to the top
[07:05] <ogra> i clicked the notification icon about 6h ago ...
[07:05] <sladen> moray did top 3 in about 4 months from nothin
[07:05] <ogra> and just now gksudo popped up :)
[07:05] <sladen> ogra: it's Friday....  update-manager probably popped down the pub after lunch
[07:05] <jsgotangco> yeah like travel between continents regularly
[07:06] <ogra> sladen, haha :)
[07:06] <seaLne> key signings seem to have gone a bit out of fashion these days
[07:07] <ogra> woah, dholbach you have actually beaten me ...
[07:07] <ogra> rank 817
[07:07] <ogra> i'm 901
[07:08] <dholbach> muuhuhauhuahahahahahaha
[07:08] <LaserJock> I'm just glad I'm *on* the ranking at all :-)
[07:09] <seaLne> bah i'm not in top 1000 anymore
[07:36] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[07:36] <bddebian> Heya
[08:23] <ivoks> um
[08:23] <ivoks> i'm kind of outdated
[08:23] <ivoks> there is opera in gnome-app-install, but it says i should enable dapper-commercial
[08:23] <ivoks> since when we have that one? :)
[08:23] <crimsun> since yesterday
[08:23] <ivoks> where? :)
[08:24] <crimsun> ivoks: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[08:24] <crimsun> hi Daniel
[08:25] <LaserJock> yeah, that's interesting
[08:25] <dholbach> re :)
[08:25] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you know the difference between -commmercial and -multiverse?
[08:26] <crimsun> LaserJock: no, but I guess with -commercial Ubuntu is granted explicit provision to distribute?
[08:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:27] <LaserJock> cause I package desktop-multiplier for Multiverse but it seems to be sort of more in the -commercial category
[08:27] <LaserJock> I wonder if it will get moved over
[08:27] <crimsun> mdz question methinks
[08:28] <LaserJock> bah, if I read firewall one more time I'm gonna puck
[08:29] <LaserJock> hmm, s/puck/throw up/
[08:31] <Erlang> FIREWALL
[08:33] <LaserJock> and I think ZeroConf will become my new swear word ;-)
[08:33] <crimsun> I'll read that thread next week
[08:34] <bddebian> hehe
[08:34] <LaserJock> I try every day to start reading them
[08:34] <LaserJock> and I only get 3 or 4 emails in before I've had it
[08:34] <LaserJock> I guess maybe that means I'm not geeky enough
[08:43] <bddebian> Later gang
[09:39] <crimsun> holy cow, a LaserJock upload
[09:39] <crimsun> the world is coming to an end!
[09:39] <pygi> crimsun, !!!
[09:40] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[09:42] <LaserJock> crimsun: and it might not even be the last ;-)
[09:43] <zul> *shock*
[09:43] <zul> yay...open suse ;)
[09:43] <tseng> "open"
[09:58] <zul> tseng: heh yes i know
[09:59] <crimsun> TheMuso: lsr uploaded.
[09:59] <crimsun> (& archived)
[10:00] <cypher1> arghh why does not pbuilder say something when it downloads while create command..
[10:02] <cypher1> i think pbuider should have that enhancement
[10:04] <LaserJock> ?
[10:05] <cypher1> I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu...
[10:05] <cypher1> the pbuider is stuck there for more than 5 min
[10:05] <LaserJock> right, but you haven't even got to the fun part :-)
[10:05] <tseng> you do that exactly once
[10:05] <cypher1> it is not clear whether pbuilder is stuck or it is downloading
[10:05] <tseng> it isnt exactly a tool for end users
[10:06] <cypher1> tseng, yes.. i am planning to build a package.. :)
[10:06] <crimsun> cypher1: feel free to add a progress indicator
[10:07] <cypher1> crimsun, yes i was thinking.. especially because i am doing "df" frequently.. that also is not showing any increase
[10:08] <crimsun> you could always try ntop or darkstat
[10:09] <cypher1> crimsun, thanks.. but let me find what it is ;)
[10:10] <cypher1> no base.tgz at /var/cache/pbuilder till now !
[10:27] <cypher1> tail -f /var/cache/pbuilder/build/12083/debootstrap/debootstrap.log --> shows that pbuider is not hung :)
[10:50] <cbx33> hi all
[10:57] <cypher1> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  breezy/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[10:57] <cypher1> anyone has any idea about the error
[10:57] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:01] <cypher1> LaserJock, ?
[11:02] <LaserJock> I know every once in a while the Release files get messed up, but I woudn't think Breezy would have that problem
[11:02] <cypher1> I: Base system installed successfully.
[11:03] <cypher1> does the above mean i have the base.tgz ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> check for it
[11:03] <cypher1> no its not there
[11:03] <LaserJock> cypher1: where?
[11:04] <cypher1> pbuilder build gives error.. list of /var/cache/pbuilder also not there
[11:04] <cypher1> i used default
[11:04] <sharms> try again, I just checked the server and the release file is intact and so is the binary-i386/Packages
[11:05] <cypher1> sharms, ok let me try again the pbuilder create command
[11:05] <cypher1> sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy --mirror "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse"
[11:05] <cypher1> that is what i am using
[11:05] <cypher1> hope there is nothing wrong there
[11:06] <LaserJock> umm, I think you need to have main in there too
[11:06] <cypher1> breezy = main in --mirror ?
[11:07] <LaserJock> breezy main universe multiverse
[11:07] <cypher1> LaserJock,  so --mirror "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe multiverse" ?
[11:08] <LaserJock> I think so, I usually use --othermirror for universe and multiverse, but whatever
[11:08] <LaserJock> are you doing this on breezy?
[11:09] <cypher1> LaserJock, yes on breezy
[11:09] <Toadstool> :q
[11:09] <Toadstool> oops :)
[11:09] <cypher1> Toadstool, ??
[11:09] <Toadstool> re
[11:10] <cypher1> LaserJock, started again
[11:11] <Toadstool> cypher1: don't worry I'm a little bit tired, just tried to close vim and typed :q in xchat :)
[11:12] <cypher1> Toadstool, :) yes even i am .. at 2:45 am i am feeling sleepy.. i am trying to get the pbuilder environment
[11:14] <Toadstool> only 11:15 pm here but I hardly slept last night and I've played football for 2 hours
[11:15] <cypher1> Toadstool, wow.. playing football
[11:16] <Toadstool> anyway, got to go to bed if I don't want to fall asleep on my keyboard and flood the chan with random crap :)
[11:16] <Toadstool> good night everybody
[11:18] <cypher1> ToadZzZztool, good night
[11:48] <LaserJock> bah, how do you find out what options ./configure has?
[11:48] <tseng> LaserJock: ./configure --help
[11:49] <LaserJock> tseng: thanks
[11:56] <ryanakca> is this the "apt" department? my question yesterday... we thought it was a proxy... I don't have any installed... or running... "I'm having trouble running sudo aptitude update... the whole output from what I tried is here:   http://pastebin.ca/81794       as you may have noticed... at first I (wrongly) thought it was a proxy problem, so I tried restarting the network... no avail"
[11:57] <brainsik> ryanakca: why r u connecting to localhost?
[12:04] <bluekuja_laptop> hello guys
[12:06] <bluekuja_laptop> if upstream package points to PackageName (so .deb file install files in that dir), how can i point the installation to another dir, different of upstream one
[12:06] <bluekuja_laptop> if someone have some suggestions, it would be really appreciated