[12:28] <hareem> hey guys. How can i make a normal pc a thin client
[12:29] <LaserJock> have it PXE boot
[12:33] <hareem> see i have a normal pc that i want to connect to the edubuntu server
[12:33] <hareem> so what should be doing
[12:35] <LaserJock> plug it in and turn it on?
[12:35] <LaserJock> make sure in the BIOS that it can network (PXE) boot and that it does that before it it boots from the hard drive
[12:36] <hareem> should i install the edubuntu workstation on it
[12:36] <LaserJock> no
[12:36] <LaserJock> you don't need to install anything, it's a thin client :-)
[12:36] <crimsun> (that kinda makes it a thick client by definition)
[12:38] <hareem> so if my board is pxe compliant. It would automtically boot to edubuntu
[12:38] <LaserJock> yep
[12:39] <hareem> even if the contraption is a amd 64
[12:40] <crimsun> (yes)
[12:40] <LaserJock> I think that also depends on you LTSP chroot, perhaps
[12:41] <hareem> and if the thing is not pxe ... is there some way to make it work again
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think there might be some support for etherboot
[12:41] <LaserJock> but I could be wrong there
[12:41] <LaserJock> I think the best is pxe
[12:42] <hareem> ok.. but can i make a boot rom or iso disk or something
[12:50] <hareem> ok so i went to this rom o matic place
[12:50] <hareem> i dont know how to set this up
[02:17] <cbx33> ping ogra_ 
[05:20] <hareem> I need help in setting up my edubuntu network
[05:21] <hareem> does the secondary cable go from the server to the switch's uplink port or to another port
[05:21] <mhz> hmm
[05:22] <mhz> basically, any port would do, afaik
[05:22] <hareem> ok secondly where can i get the student control panel in edubuntu
[05:23] <hareem> there is a control panel for managing LTSP connections to the server. I dont know its name
[05:23] <hareem> does any one know the name of that app
[05:24] <hareem> hello can any one please help 
[05:26] <mhz> i dont think we have such a thing yet
[05:26] <mhz> afaik, for edgy
[05:26] <mhz> however,
[05:26] <mhz> we do have users creation profiles
[05:27] <hareem> yeah how do i do that
[05:28] <mhz> System -> Users
[05:28] <mhz> or something like that
[05:28] <mhz> I am not in Gnome right now
[05:30] <LaserJock> hareem: student-control-panel
[05:32] <hareem> whats the panels repos name
[05:32] <hareem> synaptic cant find it
[05:32] <LaserJock> it's in the Universe repo
[05:34] <hareem> how do i setup the universal repos
[05:36] <Fujitsu> !repos
[05:36] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:36] <hareem> thanks
[05:37] <hareem> so after installing ubuntu server. I tried to connect my thin client to the server but i failed. The thin client looks up dhcp but cant seem to find it
[05:38] <LaserJock> do you have another dhcp server around
[05:38] <LaserJock> the edubuntu server needs to be the only dhcp server that the client can see
[05:38] <Fujitsu> Or the other DHCP server needs to be configured appropriately.
[05:47] <mhz> yup
[05:48] <LaserJock> in my case I can't touch the oterh DHCP server :(
[05:48] <LaserJock> so no LTSP for me
[05:48] <hareem> well i think i got dhcp on the main router.
[05:48] <hareem> but
[05:48] <hareem> the thin clients should connect to the server. Not to the main router
[05:49] <hareem> so what should i do man
[05:56] <hareem> ?
[05:57] <hareem> any body around..
[05:58] <LaserJock> I honestly don't know
[05:58] <LaserJock> I'm not good with LTSP setups
[05:58] <LaserJock> you might email the edubuntu-users mailing list
[05:58] <LaserJock> to get some of the more knowledgable people on it
[06:31] <hareem> can some one please help me setup my edubuntu
[06:31] <hareem> i cant seem to get my thin clien to connect
[06:41] <Burgundavia> hareem: what is the issue you are having?
[06:41] <hareem> well sir i installed edubuntu
[06:41] <hareem> and got the two network cards setup and the switch is up
[06:42] <hareem> but my thin client is not picking up a domain
[06:44] <Burgundavia> have you followed: http://edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
[06:44] <hareem> yes. i followed the image shot they have ther
[06:45] <hareem> a question. I connected my router to my server and the server to the switch. So the router still has its dhcp on
[06:45] <Burgundavia> you might need to tell dhcpd which interface to bind to
[06:45] <hareem> so how can i get my thin client to connect
[06:46] <hareem> so what should i do. Like where to go
[06:48] <Burgundavia> what happens when you turn your thin clients on?
[06:48] <Burgundavia> do they get an address?
[06:48] <hareem> no
[06:49] <hareem> the screen says DHCP................................
[06:49] <hareem> thin client cannot find any dhcp
[06:55] <hareem> so whats should be doing 
[06:55] <Burgundavia> is the dhcpd server running?
[06:55] <Burgundavia> sorry about the delay, reading up
[06:57] <hareem> i think so. How can i check if its runnng
[06:58] <Burgundavia> ps aux | grep dhcpd
[06:58] <Burgundavia> does that give you anything?
[06:59] <hareem> dhcpd     4972  0.0  0.3   2808   872 ?        Ss   Jul07   0:03 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[06:59] <hareem> hareem   14225  0.0  0.3   2884   816 pts/4    S+   00:59   0:00 grep dhcpd
[06:59] <Burgundavia> ok, it is running
[07:00] <hareem> so whats wrong
[07:00] <Burgundavia> doesn't appear to be handing out addresses
[07:00] <Burgundavia> I have never actually installing Edubuntu, so I am kind of stuck
[07:00] <Burgundavia> I would try restarting dhcpd
[07:00] <Burgundavia> then peak at your dhcpd.conf
[07:01] <hareem> how do i restart it
[07:02] <Burgundavia> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart
[07:03] <hareem> it says command not found
[07:07] <Burgundavia> udo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[07:07] <Burgundavia> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[07:08] <hareem> dhcp is failing to start
[07:11] <Burgundavia> hmm, sorry, out of my depth
[07:13] <hareem> thanks for the help.
[07:14] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:27] <spacey> hareem: so just get a dhcpd.conf example from the docs
[09:43] <Burgundavia> pygi, spacey, jsgotangco: http://ubuntu.ca/Edubuntu-casestudy.png
[09:44] <pygi> ^_^
[09:45] <jsgotangco> nice
[09:45] <jsgotangco> youre using the tuxlabs experience as first case study?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:46] <Burgundavia> backside will be some of the text from teh SchoolAdvocacy thingy
[09:47] <jsgotangco> nice nice
[09:58] <pygi> Burgundavia, have you talked with dholbach about anselmo perhaps? :/
[09:58] <Burgundavia> no
[09:59] <jsgotangco> anselmo?
[09:59] <pygi> ah,k ^_^
[09:59] <pygi> jsgotangco, SoC student
[09:59] <jsgotangco> ann
[09:59] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:59] <jsgotangco> safetyboat i presume?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:00] <jsgotangco> is anything happening there with that?
[10:00] <pygi> not really :-/
[10:00] <pygi> Burgundavia, we have 3 more mentors who must submit the review
[10:01] <pygi> Jeff will do it on Monday, with Matthias Klose and Scoot,I haven't talked
[10:01] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:01] <pygi> Scott*
[10:01] <pygi> jsgotangco, there is 2 more days ^_^ How is your student doing?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> pretty good we'll probably have a binary by next week
[10:02] <pygi> o,yes, I forgot I need advice from you people
[10:02] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: which is yours?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> amenity
[10:02] <Burgundavia> ah, that
[10:02] <pygi> There is one student which I havent heard since 15 days ago, but he was getting merried
[10:02] <pygi> also, by now he written just 100lines of python !!!
[10:02] <jsgotangco> feh
[10:02] <jsgotangco> drop it
[10:03] <pygi> Burgundavia, advice?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> on anselmo? I really don't know. I was concerned that I was too involved, so I backed off and then I was away, but it seems nothing has been done
[10:04] <pygi> Burgundavia, not anselmo, my student :P
[10:04] <Burgundavia> maybe somebody needs to work out a more complete action plan, something I don't think has been done
[10:04] <jsgotangco> student should be proactive on reporting stuff
[10:04] <jsgotangco> as well as making the plan
[10:04] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:04] <jsgotangco> after all the money is actually bounty monty
[10:04] <Burgundavia> pygi: remind me again, which is your student?
[10:04] <jsgotangco> s/monty/money
[10:05] <pygi> Burgundavia, look at Brian Davis
[10:05] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you going for the full monty :P
[10:05] <pygi> he wrote just 100 lines of python by now, and I haven't heard from him in 15 days
[10:06] <Burgundavia> even I can write a hundred lines of python!
[10:06] <pygi> he was getting merried, but ...
[10:06] <pygi> Burgundavia, so drop or?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm, yet another abstraction framework...
[10:07] <Burgundavia> is there a better plan than http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/appinfo.html?csaid=4D72DEB990CEB28D
[10:07] <jsgotangco> you can make a follow up email
[10:07] <jsgotangco> then if he doesn't respond drop off i guess
[10:07] <pygi> jsgotangco, I sent him a mail to respond ASAP
[10:07] <Burgundavia> by this point I would expect every student to have a clear plan and already be into the first few goals on that plan
[10:07] <pygi> no response by now
[10:07] <Burgundavia> that may not actually be code
[10:08] <pygi> http://blog.kerkopes.com/
[10:09] <jsgotangco> 100 lines of comments!
[10:09] <pygi> !!!
[10:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!
[10:09] <jsgotangco> some if not most alrady have working code or have already committed to mainline!
[10:10] <Burgundavia> http://bzr.kerkopes.com/gedit-scm-plugin/ <-- this is empty
[10:10] <Burgundavia> is that a known feature of bzr?
[10:11] <jsgotangco> its not a branch
[10:11] <jsgotangco> yep it ain't a branch
[10:11] <Burgundavia> he called his thing branches
[10:12] <pygi> eh :P
[10:12] <jsgotangco> here's my student's blog http://percentd.blogspot.com/
[10:12] <Burgundavia> his writing is very clear and he has a clear plan
[10:12] <Burgundavia> but failure to code means failure to get paid, in my books
[10:12] <pygi> May 23 - Google posts accepted projects, celebrate my project's acceptance (hope
[10:12] <pygi> May 24 - Contact my mentor, set up project web site/repository, check in current
[10:12] <pygi> ~June 20 - Finish framework code, begin implementing specific SCM backends (bzr,
[10:12] <pygi> ~July 4 - Finish bzr backend, write general test suite, celebrate Independence D
[10:12] <pygi> ~July 20 - Finish test suite, finish 1-2 other backends (probably svn and/or cvs
[10:12] <pygi> ~August 10 - Finish as many other backends as possible (perhaps Mercurial, Monot
[10:12] <pygi> August 20 - Turn in code, evaluate mentor, celebrate birthday
[10:13] <Burgundavia> that is exactly what I was about to say
[10:13] <pygi> I see none usable code in that "branch"
[10:13] <jsgotangco> he didnt say getting married too
[10:13] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:14] <pygi> eh =P
[10:15] <pygi> jsgotangco, Burgundavia ,  so drop?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> not yet
[10:15] <Burgundavia> when did you send your email asking for him to respond?
[10:16] <pygi> two days ago
[10:16] <Burgundavia> do you have a phone number?
[10:16] <pygi> no :-/
[10:16] <Burgundavia> got a name and a general location?
[10:17] <pygi> Burgundavia, name yes, location no, he wasnt involved and was not talking with me much really
[10:17] <Burgundavia> this midterm review, does it mean you have to decide quite quickly on dropping him?
[10:18] <pygi> Burgundavia, yes, it's black/white thingy
[10:18] <Burgundavia> is there a fixed time to decide (ie: today or tomorrow?)
[10:18] <pygi> it has to be decided by Monday I think
[10:18] <Burgundavia> then send him an email tonight saying "You are about to be dropped"
[10:18] <Burgundavia> If he gets back to AND he has a solid plan for getting back on track, then keep him
[10:19] <Burgundavia> failure on either count is out
[10:20] <Burgundavia> ultimately, it is really a gut feeling. Do you *think* he is going to finish?
[10:20] <pygi> no
[10:20] <Burgundavia> then drop him
[10:20] <Burgundavia> trust your instincts when managing people. You will almost never be wrong
[10:20] <pygi> two of the other students I have will finish, and phanatic is even ahead of schedule
[10:21] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: he'll get paid $2,000 if pygi approves
[10:21] <jsgotangco> with 100 lines of code
[10:21] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:22] <Burgundavia> so they are dolling the money out in two sums of 2k this time?
[10:22] <pygi> Burgundavia, yes :-/
[10:22] <Burgundavia> that makes each of those hundred lines worth $20, give or take
[10:23] <Burgundavia> with that pay scale, I probably wrote about $4000 worth of spec for Koha and case study for Edubuntu tonight!
[10:23] <jsgotangco> compare that to say my student with already working code and a sourceforge repository as well as bzr
[10:23] <jsgotangco> getting the same amount
[10:24] <pygi> jsgotangco, right
[10:24] <pygi> and I talked with your student in number of occassions, he will finish, and he will continue maintaing it even after SoC is done
[10:25] <jsgotangco> im pretty positive he has a bright outlook in life
[10:25] <Burgundavia> the other thing about management is sometimes you get to make crappy decisions, like this one. Essentially you are firing this guy
[10:26] <pygi> jsgotangco, I think the same
[10:26] <pygi> Burgundavia, indeed :-/
[10:27] <Burgundavia> I fear that is what is going to happen with Anselmo
[10:27] <Burgundavia> sad, because 4 or 5 women approached me todo the same project for WSOP with GNOME
[10:27] <pygi> Burgundavia, hm, lemme call dholbach
[10:28] <pygi> he's not here :-/
[10:29] <Burgundavia> the man might even have a life outside of Ubuntu, you know ;)
[10:29] <pygi> ofcourse, I said nothing ^_^
[10:29] <pygi> I am interest what will happen with that Samba conf thingy
[10:29] <Burgundavia> http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200607/screenshot24ga.png
[10:29] <pygi> interested*
[10:30] <Burgundavia> the migration assistant is the one that interests me the most, after anselmo
[10:32] <pygi> aha ^_^
[10:34] <Burgundavia> anybody know if that is going?
[10:36] <pygi> Burgundavia, not really, havent talked with Evan for quite a long
[10:36] <pygi> but he seemed capable
[10:36] <Burgundavia> capable != working
[10:37] <pygi> ofcourse :P
[10:40] <pygi> the BZR UI could be finished in a matter of week from now, but I won't force anything ^_^
[10:43] <Burgundavia> glaunchpad is coming along and so is willowng
[10:43] <pygi> I saw screenshot of glaunchpad
[10:44] <pygi> you have blog of that guy who is doing it?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> glaunchpad is ploum
[10:45] <Burgundavia> he is on planet ubuntu
[10:46] <pygi> Conseil stuff?
[10:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:46] <pygi> ah nice ^_^
[10:47] <Burgundavia> all in all, I think the quality of applicants was higher this year
[10:47] <pygi> yea, but seems we'll have to drop two(or at least one) student
[10:47] <Burgundavia> I wonder, of the failures, how many knew/used/developed on OSS
[10:48] <Burgundavia> before SoC
[10:48] <pygi> Teresa, one of my students, never worked with FOSS community before
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: enough people mispell you name I guess --> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=jerome+gostango&btnG=Search&meta=
[10:50] <Burgundavia> thing is, you can easily see if these people have been involved with FOSS. Merely being int eh community will give you lots of google juice
[10:54] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:55] <jsgotangco> maybe i should purchase a domain name of my surname and put tons of adsense on it lol
[10:57] <Burgundavia> heh
[11:45] <pygi> Burgundavia, poke
[11:46] <Burgundavia> pygi: your lucky I am still awake. What do you need>
[11:46] <Burgundavia> ?
[11:46] <pygi> Burgundavia, talk to you, I am just talking with Brian
[11:46] <pygi> sec
[11:47] <pygi> the pm'
[12:23] <jsgotangco> go for it, i haven't really tested the code itself, i just peeked how sane his process flow is
[12:25] <DanielC> Does "Happy Dapper Day" mean anything?
[12:25] <DanielC> Is every day Happy Dapper Day?
[12:25] <DanielC> heh
[12:25] <ogra> no it was left over from the release
[12:25] <DanielC> ah
[12:25] <ogra> :)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> hello ogra 
[12:34] <ogra> hey
[12:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: don't you get vacation/leave credits?
[12:44] <ogra> ??
[12:44] <ogra> sure i do
[12:44] <ogra> 26 days/year or so (dunno, i'd have to dig up my contract for the precise value)
[12:45] <jsgotangco> just wondering i barely see you go on vac or something
[12:46] <ogra> if i have vacation, i usually stay at home ... we have 5 animals and nobody to look after them and my GF has a handicapped brother that needs 24/7 care ... since i dont like to travel alone (i do that for canonical enough) i just stay here :)
[12:47] <ogra> which means i ususally also  go on IRC after doing some gardening etc ...
[12:47] <ogra> my last 6 months holiday resulted in ltsp-manager ;)
[12:49] <jsgotangco> oh yes i remember that
[12:51] <ogra> currently all my sparetime goes into organizing my move tthat has to be done by end of the month, after that you'll also see me taking some vacation days here and there, since then i'll start setting up my datacenter, new office etc ...
[12:51] <ogra> ... building a sauna ... a glasshouse for my GF 
[12:54] <jsgotangco> datacenter
[12:54] <jsgotangco> wow
[12:55] <ogra> well, i have 220sqm for living and about the same size for cellar and garret ...
[12:55] <ogra> we actually use a 16sqm room from this all .. the rest i still equipped with the furniture of my GFs mother and looks like a sixties museum
[12:56] <jsgotangco> at least you own your home
[12:56] <ogra> so there will be a lot of cleaning out to do before we can even start ... and susie doesnt have the courage yet to sort out her mothers stuff 
[12:57] <ogra> well, yes, she owns the house and we dont have to pay any rent or any other money for living apart from food ... so thats a big advantage
[12:58] <ogra> her mother even arranged that we'll get a solar heating for the house, its paied and sitting in the garage waiting for the craftsmen to install it 
[01:05] <jsgotangco> whoa solar heating neat
[01:05] <bimberi> ogra: is there "respite care" (as they call it here) available for your g/f?  Here that's the ability to put the one needing care in a hospital (sortof) so the carer gets a break.
[01:05] <ogra> bimberi, yes, but its very expensive here
[01:06] <ogra> and it doesnt solve the animal problem ... 
[01:06] <bimberi> yes i'd have no idea of the cost here.
[01:07] <jsgotangco> what are those animals anyways? dogs? cats? cows? farm animals?
[01:07] <ogra> i think its between 5000-10000 for a week around here, depending onn the organization you use
[01:07] <bimberi> eek
[01:07] <jsgotangco> wow that's expensive
[01:07] <jsgotangco> that's like a brand new car
[01:07] <ogra> a very old dog (16 years), two cats and two guinea pigs
[01:08] <ogra> +well, we pay 5000 for a month for the nurse service that gets him out of bed in the morning and back in the evening as well
[01:09] <jsgotangco> 5000/month is probably manageable for a good earner but the same amount and more for a week is crazy
[01:09] <ogra> ususally you are pretty well in this country if you dont have any money, the state pays for such stuff and you dont have to care
[01:09] <ogra> sadly *he* had money and a very good insurance when he had his accident 
[01:10] <ogra> which means he has to pay everything from that
[01:10] <martalli> ogra - are you in the us?
[01:10] <ogra> and doesnt get a cent from the state
[01:10] <jsgotangco> is it much cheaper in your current place compared to say, berlin?
[01:10] <ogra> germany
[01:10] <ogra> nope
[01:10] <ogra> kassel is smaller but surely living costs the same here
[01:11] <ogra> berlin is cheaper than here if you go out of the city into the former GDR area ...
[01:11] <martalli> Here the state won't cover you until you are basically  below the poverty line...sounds like deutschland isn't much better.
[01:11] <martalli> here=us
[01:11] <jsgotangco> i was like in paris for a week and it really hit me hard with my pocket money
[01:12] <ogra> well, you wont fall below the poverty line as a handicapped person in germany
[01:12] <ogra> the state cares early enough
[01:12] <martalli> If you want a cheap place to live, I would suggest India - I lived there for a year on $5000 a few years back
[01:12] <ogra> the only prob is really if you own any money ...
[01:12] <martalli> ogra - they want you to spend your money first?
[01:13] <bimberi> jsgotangco: the other day you posted a link with a photo of you, LaserJock and ????.  Who was the third?
[01:13] <ogra> oh, i'm not after living cheap ... as long as i dont have to turn every cent i'm happy
[01:13] <ogra> martalli, exactly
[01:13] <jsgotangco> bimberi: aaron seigo of KDE
[01:13] <ogra> and they wont pay as long as anything is left
[01:13] <bimberi> jsgotangco: ahh :)
[01:13] <martalli> Then there, as here, it is really a tax on the middle class.  The poor are covered, and the gates and rothschilds can cover the cash.
[01:13] <martalli> The middle class lose their life savings
[01:13] <ogra> yep
[01:14] <jsgotangco> martalli: i stayed in chennai for a month, i couldn't stand the food
[01:14] <bimberi> jsgotangco: thanks, i thought it might be one of the Edubuntu crowd but didn't recognise him
[01:14] <jsgotangco> and the healthcare system
[01:14] <martalli> My wife is tamil, maybe you just need a better cook =)
[01:14] <jsgotangco> probably lol
[01:14] <bimberi> hehe
[01:14] <martalli> lol I recommend not getting sick
[01:14] <jsgotangco> very
[01:15] <bimberi> here they say if you get sick just get on a plane home asap
[01:15] <martalli> Although we wre just back in India (Karnataka, actually)( and I had to take my 2 y/o to the hospital for febrile diarrhe...the er visit med doc charges, etc were less in ruppes what they would have charged in dollars here in the us (Rs50 ~ $1)
[01:16] <martalli> I was alsmot ashamed to pay so little (and for that problem, they did a good job)
[01:17] <martalli> Say, does anyone use a ralink wireless card with edubuntu?
[01:18] <ogra> nobody i know ...
[01:18] <bimberi> goodness me, that's shop talk ;P
[01:18] <ogra> do you have probs with it ? 
[01:19] <martalli> well, I have a card with an rt2500 card.  It worked fine with mdv2006 in another computer, but in my son's computer mepis 6.0 rc2 wouldn't even recognize the card.  I was thinking of trying edubuntu (obviously a good choice for a 4 y/o), but wondered if it might work 'out f the box'
[01:20] <martalli> I haven't yet tried any *buntu 6.06 distros on it yet, although I am currently downloading edubuntu
[01:21] <bimberi> martalli: Looks promising - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT2500
[01:21] <ogra> hmm, mepis is based on ubuntu
[01:22] <ogra> but i'm not sure if they use our kernel or drivers
[01:22] <martalli> I think warren uses his own kernel
[01:23] <martalli> Back when I was using 3.x, it would seem to get mixed up if I installed too much stuff from the debian repos
[01:23] <martalli> but, it comes with the ati and nvidia drivers, flash/java/etc., and that was appealing
[01:23] <martalli> now I am p[lenty competent to at least go through a howto and get those things installed (I think =)
[01:24] <martalli> bimberi - thanks for the link!
[01:24] <bimberi> martalli: np :) that page indicates that the rt2500 is supported out of the box in the recent (ed)ubuntu versions
[01:26] <martalli> excellent - 60% there to edubuntu goodness
[01:26] <martalli> =)
[01:43] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[05:09] <ajayc> driiiing~~
[05:09] <ajayc> hi guys
[05:27] <ajayc> pygi, !!!!
[05:27] <pygi> ajayc, how may I help you?
[05:28] <ajayc> err no way
[05:28] <ajayc> just welcoming u
[05:28] <ajayc> :D
[05:28] <pygi> :)
[06:02] <hareem> i cant seem to restart my dhcp server
[06:02] <hareem> can some one help
[06:02] <pygi> hareem, how are you trying to restart it?
[06:04] <hareem> by using the terminal
[06:04] <pygi> eh, what command ? 
[06:04] <hareem> /etc/init.d/dhcp3serverstart
[06:05] <DanielC> And what error does it give?
[06:05] <pygi> try doing restart instead of start
[06:05] <pygi> and tell me errors
[06:05] <pygi> eh, DanielC beats me :P
[06:07] <hareem> All rights reserved.
[06:07] <hareem> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[06:07] <hareem>  * Stopping DHCP server                                                  [fail] 
[06:07] <hareem> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.3
[06:07] <hareem> Copyright 2004-2005 Internet Systems Consortium.
[06:07] <hareem> All rights reserved.
[06:07] <hareem> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
[06:07] <hareem>  * Starting DHCP server:                                                 [fail] 
[06:07] <hareem> thats the error i got
[06:08] <DanielC> On another terminal type: tail -f /var/log/daemon.log
[06:08] <DanielC> Then restart the server again.
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd: ** Ignoring requests on eth0.  If this is not w hat
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:    you want, please write a subnet declaration
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:    in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segm ent
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:    to which interface eth0 is attached. **
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd:
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:09:45 localhost dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:02 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port  67 interval 3
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:05 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port  67 interval 3
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:08 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port  67 interval 8
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:24 localhost last message repeated 2 times
[06:09] <hareem> Jul  8 12:11:32 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9
[06:09] <pygi> hareem, !!!
[06:09] <pygi> !ops
[06:09] <ubotu> ops-#edubuntu is Help! ogra, highvoltage, Seveas or HedgeMage
[06:09] <hareem> yeah
[06:09] <pygi> :P
[06:10] <hareem> so how can i fix this
[06:12] <DanielC> I don't know what the problem is tbh.
[06:12] <Yagisan> looks like he didn't leave the default settings on install
[06:13] <highvoltage> still neede?
[06:14] <highvoltage> hareem: please don't flood the channel by posting multi-line error messages, use a pastebin instead
[06:15] <hareem> sorry about that
[06:15] <hareem> i did not know
[06:15] <DanielC> no worries
[06:15] <DanielC> Could you put a copy of your .conf file in http://pastebin.com ?
[06:16] <hareem> i spent all night trying to setup this edubuntu up. But man. It gave me a trashing
[06:16] <hareem> ok
[06:16] <DanielC> Hmm...  did you edit the .conf file at all?
[06:16] <DanielC> If so, was it the one in /etc/lstp ?
[06:17] <hareem> yeah it was in the /etc/ltsp
[06:17] <DanielC> ok
[06:18] <hareem> my conf file is on pastebin
[06:18] <DanielC> What's the URL?
[06:18] <DanielC> copy the URL and put it here.
[06:19] <hareem> hahaha paste bin give an error
[06:20] <highvoltage> http://rafb.net/paste
[06:22] <hareem> here ya go
[06:22] <hareem> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Iruwm776.html
[06:22] <DanielC> *click*
[06:24] <DanielC> highvoltage: Can one put 'option' statements outside a 'subnet' block?
[06:24] <DanielC> hareem: This file is quite different from the one Edubuntu comes with. Where did you get it from? Did you write all of this?
[06:25] <DanielC> Here is mine: http://rafb.net/paste/results/T4MyBm77.html
[06:26] <hareem> thats the ltsp.org one
[06:26] <DanielC> Try mine and see if it works.
[06:26] <hareem> edubuntu wasnt working. A buddy said that setup ltsp.org one
[06:27] <DanielC> Try mine and see if it works.
[06:27] <hareem> i just overwirte my setting with your rite
[06:30] <hareem> ok i added the text to my conf file . . so now what should i do
[06:31] <DanielC> restart dhcp server.
[06:31] <DanielC> Don't *add* the text. Replace the .conf file by the one I wrote.
[06:33] <hareem> yeah thats what i did
[06:33] <DanielC> does it work now?
[06:34] <highvoltage> DanielC: i think you can, it would then apply to all dhcp clients
[06:35] <DanielC> ok
[06:35] <highvoltage> hareem: DanielC is right, using the default ltsp.org one will definitely cause some problems :)
[06:40] <ogra> hareem, dont mix ubuntu ltsp and ltsp.org ltsp, if you really want to try the one from ltsp.org, make sure to weed out *all* bits from ubuntu ltsp before
[06:42] <juliux> ogra, who i have to write an e-mail to get some more edubuntu cds ?
[06:42] <ogra> juliux, marilize
[06:43] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[06:44] <ogra> juliux, but afaik an option for bigger orders should be in place on shipit as well ...
[06:45] <juliux> ogra, ah ok, i will take a look to shipit
[06:46] <juliux> ogra, thxs i found it
[06:49] <ogra> (dunno if that applies for edubuntu though)
[06:50] <ogra> is it possible ? 
[06:50] <juliux> yes it is possible 
[06:50] <ogra> good to know ;)
[06:50] <juliux> i orderd some for the next fairs 
[06:50] <ogra> yep
[06:50] <juliux> and if i get a personal request
[06:50] <ogra> looks like i'll get a full box next month
[06:50] <juliux> a great
[06:51] <ogra> thomas uhl wants to start a big campaign in bayern
[06:51] <ogra> he called me recently 
[06:51] <juliux> i orderd cds for him
[06:51] <juliux> special for his store
[06:52] <ogra> ah
[06:52] <ogra> he didt tell me you two met
[06:52] <ogra> *didnt
[06:52] <juliux> ohm i know thomas since 2004 
[06:53] <juliux> from gnome
[08:05] <bddebian> Hello
[10:36] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:36] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[10:36] <cbx33> hey bddebian 
[10:37] <cbx33> howz tricks
[10:38] <bddebian> OK thanks. You?
[10:39] <cbx33> yeh going good
[10:39] <cbx33> recoded some of gisomount
[10:39] <pygi> !!!
[10:39] <bddebian> Ah cool
[10:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!
[10:39] <cbx33> gonna get ready to put it into Universe soon
[10:39] <cbx33> pygi, I know without asking any questions :p
[10:40] <pygi> cbx33, ^_^
[10:40] <cbx33> need to finish up packaging on that one
[10:40] <cbx33> my first ever package :D
[10:41] <cbx33> then it'll be grasynco :D
[10:41] <cbx33> and then in a few days I'll start my bits on s-c-p
[10:42] <highvoltage> hiya cbx33 
[10:43] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[10:43] <cbx33> howz it all going
[10:44] <highvoltage> good
[10:44] <highvoltage> relaxed, calmed... and also laptopless
[10:44] <cbx33> *gah*
[10:45] <highvoltage> i think the laptopnessness might contribute to the calm and relaxment factor :)
[10:45] <cbx33> heheh
[10:45] <bddebian> Heya pygi, highvoltage
[10:45] <cbx33> you on your phone?
[10:45] <pygi> hey bddebian ^_^
[10:45] <cbx33> hiya LaserJock 
[10:45] <highvoltage> nope, on PC at home
[10:45] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[10:45] <highvoltage> but connected via phone, yes
[10:45] <highvoltage> hey bddebian and LaserJock 
[10:45] <cbx33> ah
[10:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, made some major changes to the info code in gisomount
[10:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: how's the laser doing? :)
[10:46] <LaserJock> highvoltage: not bad, got a new wavelength lined up yesterday :-)
[10:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: way cool, I'll check it out when I have a chance
[10:47] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:47] <cbx33> LaserJock, is it acceptable to have the debian folder in the bzr repo?
[10:47] <cbx33> and just remove it when I tar it up
[10:48] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd rather do it as a seperate branch or something
[10:48] <cbx33> ok
[10:48] <cbx33> just asking
[10:48] <cbx33> hehe
[10:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, tbh, gisomount is nearing completion
[10:49] <cbx33> I know you're super busy atm, but if I get the package up to speed in the next few days
[10:49] <cbx33> could you get it into universe for me?
[10:49] <pygi> cbx33, application is NEVER done!!!
[10:49] <cbx33> pygi, you know what I mean
[10:49] <cbx33> feature freeze
[10:49] <pygi> ^_^
[10:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, I think so
[10:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: what kind of features does it have, besides mountint isos?
[10:50] <cbx33> um....
[10:50] <cbx33> hm.....
[10:50] <cbx33> md5sum for a click
[10:50] <cbx33> browse fro ma click
[10:50] <cbx33> burn fro ma click
[10:50] <cbx33> favorite isos
[10:51] <cbx33> volume information reading
[10:51] <LaserJock> and being able to do more than one at a time
[10:51] <cbx33> yeh
[10:51] <cbx33> currently it'll support 5
[10:51] <LaserJock> which is nice if you are trying to compare
[10:52] <cbx33> indeed
[10:52] <cbx33> good for checking which is the latest version of an iso
[10:52] <cbx33> if you are doing beta testing
[10:52] <cbx33> hoping to put it in the gnome context menu
[10:52] <cbx33> in some ways too
[10:52] <LaserJock> or have an Edubuntu release coming up in a couple days and need to test like mad :-)
[10:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, true
[10:53] <cbx33> in the next versions I may have things like vmware/qemu integration
[10:53] <pygi> !!! !!! !!!
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about !! !!! !!!
[10:53] <LaserJock> that might be cool
[10:53] <highvoltage> cool
[10:54] <cbx33> I need to do a favorites manager too
[10:54] <cbx33> currently you can't delete favorites :p
[10:54] <highvoltage> cbx33: so it's too late for feature request?
[10:54] <cbx33> noe
[10:54] <highvoltage> rsyncing would also be nice.
[10:54] <cbx33> nope
[10:54] <cbx33> not for you :p
[10:54] <cbx33> well
[10:54] <cbx33> that's what grasynco is for
[10:55] <cbx33> it's a front end for ogra's rsyncer.sh script
[10:55] <highvoltage> ah, ok
[10:55] <pygi> cbx33, you are "all-around" python now ^_^
[10:55] <cbx33> pygi, I'm trying
[10:56] <cbx33> I may do a port from python to C++ for gismount as an exercise one day
[10:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, does grasynco sound like it's what you need?
[10:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: probably not need, but sounds like a nice to have :)
[10:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, so what was the feature reqquest?
[10:57] <highvoltage> what i really need is a decent replacement for cdrecord.
[10:57] <highvoltage> it's complete rubbish.
[10:57] <pygi> highvoltage, !!! right !!! :)
[10:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: in terms of the feature request, it satisfies it, yes
[10:57] <cbx33> is that the gnome one?
[10:57] <highvoltage> gnome one?
[10:58] <cbx33> ah...a front end for it?
[10:58] <pygi> cbx33, no, he just says cdrecord is bad =P
[10:58] <cbx33> ah 
[11:00] <highvoltage> ok, i'm off to bed. goodnight, #edubuntu
[11:00] <cbx33> nn hareem 
[11:00] <cbx33> nn highvoltage 
[11:00] <cbx33> damn tab key
[11:01] <cbx33> right I'm over and out too
[11:01] <cbx33> nn people
[11:01] <pygi> night cbx33  :P
[11:01] <cbx33> pygi, am I getting better at python?
[11:02] <pygi> cbx33, I wouldnt know, haven't looked at your code ^_^
[11:02] <cbx33> heheheh
[11:02] <cbx33> LaserJock, I'm going to try and finish up the packaging tomorrow
[11:02] <LaserJock> k
[11:02] <LaserJock> email me when you're done
[11:03] <cbx33> will do
[11:23] <LaserJock> hi
[11:23] <DanielC> I'm eager to improve my .deb package.
[11:23] <DanielC> I'm sure I did several things wrong.
[11:23] <LaserJock> sorry, I haven't had a chance to look at it in-depth ye
[11:23] <LaserJock> t
[11:24] <DanielC> ok
[11:26] <LaserJock> DanielC: one thing, in debian/control, the debhelper Build-Dep sould be versioned
[11:26] <DanielC> Ok, I have debian/control in front of me.
[11:26] <DanielC> How do I specify a version of debhelper?
[11:28] <LaserJock> debhelper (>= 5.0.0)
[11:28] <DanielC> thanks
[11:28] <LaserJock> and then put 5 in debian/compat
[11:28] <DanielC> k
[11:29] <DanielC> done
[11:30] <LaserJock> DanielC: you might want to bump Standards-Version to 3.7.2 also
[11:30] <DanielC> Ok, but my system has 3.6.2.2
[11:30] <LaserJock> but edgy won't :-)
[11:30] <DanielC> ah
[11:31] <DanielC> Are these standards version actually different?
[11:31] <LaserJock> debian/copyright
[11:31] <LaserJock> DanielC: not a whole lot
[11:32] <LaserJock> DanielC: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-policy/current/changelog is the changelog
[11:32] <DanielC> *click*
[11:33] <DanielC> Ok... these seem pretty minor. A lot are just typos.
[11:33] <LaserJock> DanielC: in copyright you need to include the GPL preample
[11:34] <DanielC> Ok.
[11:34] <DanielC> Does it matter where I put it?
[11:34] <LaserJock> yeah, that's why it isn't a big deal, but you might as well start with the latest Policy version
[11:34] <DanielC> I guess I'll put it just before the CC license.
[11:34] <LaserJock> DanielC: look at http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gtorrent-viewer-0607071505/gtorrent-viewer-2.0b/debian/copyright
[11:34] <DanielC> *click*
[11:35] <DanielC> Ah... *that* preamble.
[11:36] <DanielC> Ok, done.
[11:37] <DanielC> I left the word "program" in although it doesn't really apply.
[11:38] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:39] <LaserJock> just keep it as is
[11:39] <LaserJock> elmo might catch it
[11:39] <LaserJock> he has the GPL memorized
[11:39] <DanielC> Who is elmo?
[11:39] <LaserJock> James Troup
[11:40] <LaserJock> one of the archive admins
[11:40] <DanielC> ok
[11:40] <LaserJock> who will check the package over before it goes in
[11:40] <LaserJock> debian/rules
[11:41] <LaserJock> it seems odd that you are actually installing the docs in the binary-indep: rule rather than install:
[11:41] <DanielC> I admit I was just blindly copying from that python tutorial.
[11:42] <LaserJock> np
[11:42] <DanielC> I'm happy to move them.
[11:42] <LaserJock> I'd move dh_install to the install: rule
[11:43] <DanielC> Only dh_install  or  dh_install* ?
[11:43] <LaserJock> just dh_install
[11:43] <DanielC> Ok, I put it at the end, just after dh_installdirs
[11:49] <LaserJock> k, then rebuild the source package, use pbuilder to build the .deb and make sure that works as expected
[11:49] <LaserJock> dpkg -c on the .deb helps
[11:49] <LaserJock> and then re-upload to revu
[11:50] <DanielC> Ok, will do.
[11:50] <DanielC> What does -c do?
[11:50] <DanielC> The man page says "contents".
[11:51] <DanielC> Ok, so it lists the contents of the .deb.
[11:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:51] <LaserJock> that way you know files will go where you want them to :-)
[11:52] <DanielC> :)
[11:54] <DanielC> I must be doing something wrong. `sudo pbuilder -S -sa`  only prints the list of pbuilder flags (ie. it doesn't seem to recognize the options).
[12:02] <LaserJock> nope
[12:03] <DanielC> help?
[12:04] <DanielC> sorry if I'm being obtuse.
[12:04] <bddebian> sudo pbuilder -S -sa foo.dsc
[12:05] <DanielC> k
[12:05] <DanielC> thanks
[12:05] <bddebian> Oh WTF am I talking about
[12:05] <DanielC> :)
[12:05] <DanielC> Ok, I don't feel so bad now :)
[12:06] <LaserJock> debuild -S -sa will build the source package
[12:06] <bddebian> I usually do sudo dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa  on the package then sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc on the resulting.dsc file
[12:06] <LaserJock> DanielC: do you have an edgy pbuilder set up?
[12:06] <bddebian> Or debuild
[12:06] <DanielC> DanielC: I don't know how an edgy pbuilder is different from a regular pbuilder, so no.
[12:07] <LaserJock> DanielC: do you have any pbuilder set up? :-)
[12:07] <DanielC> yes
[12:07] <LaserJock> dapper?
[12:07] <DanielC> I used pbuilder to produce the files I uploaded the first time around.
[12:07] <DanielC> yes
[12:08] <LaserJock> DanielC: do you remember how you made it? from the Packaging Guide? or a wiki page?
[12:09] <DanielC> LaserJock: I think it was something someone said on #ubuntu-motu
[12:09] <DanielC> I didn't specify "edgy" at any point.
[12:10] <DanielC> I have source packages made with debuild.