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Tonio_hi10:34
Tonio_toma__:  I just saw your yesterday message.... I heard about kscope but never used it10:35
Tonio_raphink: ping ?10:35
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Hobbseehi all11:05
Hobbseetoma__: ping?11:09
raphinkyop Tonio_11:21
Tonio_raphink: tu pourras uploader mes perges pour main aujourd'hui ?11:21
Tonio_s/perges/merges ?11:22
Tonio_yop Hobbsee11:22
raphinkTonio_: tu me les envoies stp?11:22
raphinket je verrais a dans l'aprs midi11:22
Tonio_raphink: ils seront sur revu11:23
raphinkok11:23
Tonio_il y aura gtk-qt-engine, kaffeine et gwenview11:23
Tonio_au minimum11:23
raphinktu peux m'envoyer les urls par mail stp?11:23
raphinkje verrai a plus tard je suis un peu occup l11:23
Tonio_oki11:24
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\shmoins11:54
\shRiddell: now, what was not working with pysip?11:54
Hobbseehi Tonio_ 12:06
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tomaHobbsee: pong12:31
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tomaand hi all12:31
tomaTonio_: ping12:35
Hobbseetoma: did you get other packages working last night?12:40
tomaHobbsee: yes,  i merged kscope, pending riddells review now12:41
Hobbseetoma: nice :)12:41
tomayes, productive day yesterday12:41
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Tonio_toma: hey ;12:41
tomahi Tonio_12:42
tomai asked you about kscope because it uses a nice feature.12:42
Tonio_toma: you told me about kscope12:42
Tonio_which one ?12:42
tomaon each tab the icon change to a close icon as soon as you hover over it12:43
tomathere is a setting in konqueror which does the same12:43
Tonio_toma: ah ?12:43
Tonio_I never saw this function in konq12:43
Tonio_how to activate it ?12:43
tomait is in de the rc12:43
toma[FMSettings]  12:44
toma HoverCloseButton=true12:44
Tonio_toma: I know it is possible to replace the icon by aclose button, but not while hovering th icon...12:44
Tonio_ahh12:44
Tonio_great12:44
Tonio_it is not accessible via the standard graphical config afaics12:45
Tonio_that'll go in kds for sure ;)12:45
tomamaybe something as default setting12:45
tomano graphical setting indeed12:45
tomaon kde-core-devel there were some accessibility concerns, I don't think they are very valid, but maybe you should read that thread...12:46
Tonio_toma: that's briliant !12:47
Tonio_I'll had it to new kds12:47
Tonio_toma: I didn't subscribed to this one12:47
tomayou might want to remove the right close button than12:47
Tonio_is thare any url to read it ?12:47
Tonio_toma: remove it in the graphical settings ?12:48
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Tonio_maybe I will patch this yes12:48
Tonio_very nice setting12:48
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Tonio_thanks for the info !12:48
tomaTonio_: 17 juni the thread started, see http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel12:49
Tonio_toma: bookmarked12:49
Tonio_but I have to go and buy a few stuff for tomorrow's world cup' final ;)12:49
tomaTonio_: bookmark this as well: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret%20Config%20Settings12:49
Tonio_I don't want to miss anything for the latest zidane's game !!12:49
toma*sigh* football12:50
Tonio_second link is very interesting12:50
Tonio_toma: I love football but I'm not a fan12:50
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Tonio_but with zidane that's different, it is like watching art !12:51
tomabut i wont buy stuff for it12:51
toma*puke*12:51
Tonio_toma: stuff means : beer, food, saussages etc.... ;)12:51
tomaah ok12:51
Tonio_hehe12:52
=== Tonio_ back in an hour !
Tonio_toma: thanks for the info12:52
tomayour welcome12:52
\shlooks like that python-qt4 packages are in NEW queue12:53
tomayou're12:53
tomaneed coffee12:53
HobbseeYAY!!!!!01:06
Hobbseepbuilders work again for building KDE stuff!!!01:06
tomaYAY01:07
tomawhat?01:07
Hobbseetoma: means we dont have to keep building on Riddell's chroot - we can use pbuilder01:07
tomaah01:07
Hobbseewhich will mean i dont have to use ssh to a machine on the other side of the world.01:07
tomaso the notes i  took yesterday can be deleted?01:08
Hobbseetoma: well, most are still necessary01:08
Hobbseebut you can run the pbuilder to build the package, rather than in the chroot.  check out !pbuilder01:08
tomai will. i will01:09
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\shHobbsee: you mean I can update pbuilder and Xorg is running again?01:18
Hobbsee\sh: i dont know about xorg working, but kdelibs4-dev is installable again01:19
\shso xorg is working again ;)01:19
Hobbseewhich means that hte kde universe is buildable :)01:19
Hobbsee\sh: UVF just means that syncs from debian arent automatically done right?  do you still have to write a UVF for every package you upload?01:21
Hobbsees/UVF/UVF exception01:22
\shHobbsee: UFV is on the 13th right? after that you have to right UFV exception reports01:22
Hobbsee\sh: yes.01:22
Hobbseeurgh.01:22
\shthat's why we should go and merge whatever we can 01:23
Hobbsee\sh: that's very, very early, it seems.01:23
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Hobbseewish that was only in effect from feature freeze, not UVF>01:23
\shwell, we have a short release schedule for edgy01:24
Hobbseetrue01:24
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\shdon't concentrate on kde only...just merge what you can :)01:24
Hobbseetrue01:25
\shwe need all hands 01:25
Hobbsee\sh: also true.01:26
=== Hobbsee couldnt do much wiht a broken pbuilder.
\shcool....september 28th is universe freeze not 13th july01:27
Hobbseenice!!!01:28
Hobbsee\sh: the reason i start with the kde universe packages is that they are the ones with my name on them.01:30
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Hobbseewired connection works far better for downloading large amounts of stuff.01:44
toma\sh: trying to create the pbuilder environment. How do i debootstrap it for edgy? since there is no script. Use dapper and upgrade later on?01:53
\shtoma: no..fetch the debootstrap package from edgy and install it via dpkg -i01:53
Hobbseetoma: yes.  there are instructions in the !pbuilder for that01:54
Hobbseeoh yeah, that works too01:54
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tomaoki01:54
\shit's better to use the new deboostrap, because when you update from dapper to edgy there are still some dead packages left sometimes01:55
tomaok, pbuilder create running01:56
Hobbseeyay, kprof is working01:57
Hobbseei  think01:57
tomapbuilder does not seem difficult to use02:00
Hobbseetoma: it,s not, once you get it set up02:00
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Hobbsee\sh: are you into uploading things this evening?02:03
\shI'm sitting in the office...so yes, I can upload :)02:04
Hobbsee\sh: cool, kprof has hit revu, and i've deleted the bits that Riddell said i could.  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=263902:07
Hobbseezakame: ping?02:07
\shHobbsee: orig tar.gz from the merge directory?02:09
Hobbsee\sh: yes, sorry02:09
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Hobbsee\sh: what's the protocol of stealing other people's merges?02:16
Hobbseeas the MoM list isnt updating atm.02:17
\shHobbsee: check first the uploads in edgy-updates, what's done...then take some packages ;)02:20
Hobbsee\sh: right, good.02:20
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Hobbseehehe02:21
\shkprof uploaded02:21
Hobbsee\sh: thankyou :)02:21
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tomaYAY, that worked02:30
Hobbseetoma: :D02:35
tomaHobbsee: skipped kvpnc?02:36
Hobbseetoma: it's not on the merges list, so yeah.  what's with it?02:37
toma0.8.5 in debian atm02:37
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Hobbseetoma: that *should* be a sync.  check that debian builds.02:39
Hobbseetoma: or i'll do it, if you want02:39
tomano02:39
tomalet me try02:39
Hobbseetoma: okay, go for it.  go check for why it should be a sync first, if you like02:39
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toma?02:40
Hobbsee1.  is the only change a dh_iconcache?02:40
Hobbsee2.  does it use cdbs?02:40
Hobbsee3.  does it have includes /usr/cdbs/1/kde.mk or whatever it is - instead of a debian/cdbs/1/kde.mk02:41
Hobbseeif 1, 2, 3 are all true, it can usually be synced.02:41
Hobbseesimple :P02:41
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tomastupid q: how to check 2?02:43
tomabuild deps?02:43
\shtoma: yepp...and the rules file looks different then a rules file with debhelper02:44
tomaoki02:44
Hobbseetoma: open debian/rules with a text editor, have a look if it uses debhelper or cdbs02:47
tomaHobbsee: this would be a merge, kubuntu and debian have deviated a lot02:49
Hobbseetoma: oh have they? how so?02:49
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tomano, it has not been a sync from debian in a long time02:51
tomasince breezy02:51
Hobbseekvpnc?02:52
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tomayeps02:52
Hobbseetoma: okay, something fubar'd earlier, ignore what i said re sync.02:52
tomasomeone with knowledge of the package should look at it.02:57
nixternalmoins everyone03:27
Hobbseenixternal: you've got a lot of them listed on yoru app for membership on kubuntu meetings :P03:30
nixternalya, i did that so you have a one stop shop...since everyone usually has the agenda page open..however i can remove them since they are redundant03:31
tomacan someone confirm and assifn bug 5233603:31
UbugtuMalone bug 52336 in kile "Please sync with Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5233603:31
Hobbseenixternal: well, it's got a one stop shop anyway - that's launchpad :P03:31
nixternalfixed03:33
nixternal;)03:33
Hobbseetoma: getting stevenk to approve sync for kile, as i didnt see your sync request.  there's a specific way that sync requests are getting filed too, it seems03:36
tomaHobbsee: ow?03:37
Hobbseetoma: ow?03:37
Hobbseehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/52336/03:37
UbugtuMalone bug 52336 in kile "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync kile 1:1.9.1-1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  03:37
tomaah03:37
tomaok03:38
Hobbseetoma: and attach the MOM report, and get a MOTU to ack it.03:38
tomaok03:54
Hobbseetoma: hope you're not touching klibido atm.03:55
tomanope03:55
Hobbseetoma: good, which are you workign on?03:55
tomahmmm... none ;-)03:55
Hobbseetoma: oh, and i'd add kvpnc and anythign else you find that's fallen thru the MOM cracks to the edgypackageupdates page - we need a record of where those ones are.03:56
Hobbsees/where/what03:56
imbrandon!info banshee03:56
ubotubanshee: Audio Management and Playback application. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.10.10-0ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 870 kB, installed size 2744 kB03:56
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tomaHobbsee: oki, added04:02
Hobbseetoma: cool :)04:02
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imbrandon*ring* *ring*, leave a message after the beep, *beeeeeeeep*04:18
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tomaHobbsee: ok? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kphone/+bug/5234004:23
UbugtuMalone bug 52340 in kphone "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync 4.2-6 from Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  04:23
Hobbseetoma: there's no bit in there about "okay to overwrite ubuntu changes" although you did spell it out.  i'm not sure if they specifically look for that wording.04:25
Hobbseetoma: ping a MOTU to approve it for you04:25
toma#kubuntu-motu is empty ;-)04:26
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Hobbseetoma: \sh is around, Ridd*ell might be, and now raphink is.04:26
Hobbseetoma: + any in u-motu04:26
raphink:p04:27
raphink;)04:27
Hobbseeraphink: nice timing :P04:28
raphinkhuh?04:28
raphinkwhy?04:28
Hobbseeraphink: just coming in as we were looking for a MOTU04:28
tomaraphink: you could approve bug 5234004:28
UbugtuMalone bug 52340 in kphone "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync 4.2-6 from Debian" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5234004:28
raphinkno I can't approve a sync04:29
raphinkthe ubuntu-archive members approve and achieve syncs04:29
Hobbseeraphink: because?   apart from testing it, of course04:29
raphinknot just any MOTU04:29
Hobbseeraphink: a MOTU has to ack it, then subscribe the archive, then the archive actually does the sync.04:29
raphinkbecause a sync (contrarily to a merge) still has "unstable" as the distro04:29
raphinkso we can't upload it04:29
raphinkthe archive managers have to directly put it in the archive04:29
raphinkwithout uploading04:29
raphinkah right I can do that ;)04:30
Hobbseeraphink: i'd test it first but :P04:30
raphinkhehe04:30
raphinksure I wil04:30
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tomaHobbsee: from memory codeine, phone, kile, digikamimageplugins and skipped kvpnc. 04:32
Hobbseetoma: heh, right.  04:33
raphinkI'll test it in a minute toma04:33
raphinktoma: done04:49
tomaraphink: great, thanks04:49
raphinkalthough what would be much better would be a new version of kphone04:50
raphink4.2 is really old04:50
raphinkor at least it looks like it04:50
raphinkit's not very functional04:50
raphinkit needs a lot of love imo04:50
raphink:s04:50
imbrandonRiddell, do i need to assign or subscribe anyone to this malone 5234304:54
UbugtuMalone bug 52343 in kbfx "[ backport ]  kbfx 4.9.1+4.9.2rc1 from edgy to dapper-backports" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5234304:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: no you dont04:56
Hobbseeonly -backporters04:56
tomaraphink: kphone seems to be dead and replaced by kphone SI04:57
raphinkkphone SI?04:57
raphinkyes it seems kphone is dead04:57
raphinkit hardly works actually04:57
tomaraphink: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kphone04:59
tomaktwinkle is much better04:59
raphinktoma: could you package ktwinkle then?05:00
tomathat is packaged05:00
tomanot sure where though05:00
tomalet me check05:00
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Hobbseenight all!05:02
raphinknight Hobbsee05:02
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raphinktoma: do you think kphone should be replaced by kphone-si ?05:02
raphinkor should it be duplicated?05:02
tomareplaced, according to the webpage05:03
tomakubuntu has https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/twinkle05:03
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tomai'll ping the debian team to see if they are working on the 0.8.0 version of twinkle05:05
tomanight Hobbsee05:08
raphinktwinkle is much better than kphone already :)05:13
raphinkit even works better than wengophone 05:13
raphinkit seems05:13
tomayes, it is a good app05:14
tomabbl05:15
raphinkwell I wouldn't say it's good05:17
raphinkit asks far too many questions05:17
raphinksays too many things05:18
raphinkis not easy to use05:18
raphinkbut it's surely way better than kphone05:18
raphinkthe truth is that I'm really looking for wengophone-ng05:18
raphinkto support SIP properly05:18
raphinkbecause wengophone truly rocks :)05:18
tomagood as in 'it works', if we are talking about appearance and co, i can name a few other bad apps05:25
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raphinkvery light ;)05:30
raphinkcompared to amarok of course05:30
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abattoircan any admin take care of the oem guy @ #kubuntu?05:49
raphinkI don't have admin rights on #kubuntu i'm afraid05:52
raphinkask Seveas05:52
raphinkmaybe05:52
abattoiri think imbrandon has come to the rescue ;) 05:53
raphinkok05:53
raphinkgood05:53
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raphinkhttp://revu/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png07:40
raphinkhehe07:40
raphinkoops sorrry07:40
raphinkhttp://revu.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png07:40
raphinkhehe07:41
raphinkit's getting better by the day07:41
zorglu1the number of packages is terrifying07:42
zorglu1do you guys do it by hand one by one ?07:43
zorglu1or you have some kind of convertion script/tools ?07:43
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raphinkzorglu1: when it comes to merges, yes07:49
raphinkmany are done by MoM though07:49
raphinkiirc07:49
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bddebianHowdy08:05
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raphinkhi bddebian08:12
bddebianHeya raphink08:14
raphinkhow are you?08:14
bddebianOK thanks. You?08:15
raphinkI'm good thanks :)08:23
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Tonio_raphink: ping ?08:42
raphinkpong ?08:42
raphinkje suis en train de m'clater  crire un script pour aider  merger08:42
Tonio_oki08:42
Tonio_pour mes uploads t'aura un peu de temps ce soir ?08:42
raphinkoui08:42
raphinktu peux me rappeler lesquels c'est?08:43
zorglu1oh des francais :)08:43
raphinkhuhu08:43
Tonio_hehe08:43
Tonio_raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=259508:44
Tonio_pour commencer08:44
Tonio_j'upload les autres08:44
raphinkdis moi Tonio_, quand on lance une recherche dans un man08:44
raphinkcomment on va  l'occurence suivante dj?08:45
zorglu1just 'q'08:45
Tonio_N08:45
Tonio_enfin "n"08:45
Tonio_:)08:45
Tonio_c'est du vi hein :)08:46
zorglu1ok pas bien compris alors :)08:46
zorglu1man -a open puis 'q' 'q'08:46
zorglu1alors que cetait pas ca :)08:46
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raphinkTonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/~raphink/merge tu veux tester?08:52
Tonio_c afait koi ?08:54
Tonio_je capte pas trop le fonctionnement de ton truc la...08:54
Tonio_ca va just dl le packet source debian ?08:55
raphinka dl le paquet source sid, le paquet source edgy08:55
raphinket a les met dans une arborescence :)08:55
raphinket y'a plus qu' comparer08:55
raphinkenfin moi j'aime bien parceque c'est comme a que je bosse sur les merges08:56
raphinkj'utilise pas mom08:56
Tonio_waip mais c koi mdt ?08:56
Tonio_je connai s pas cet outil ?08:56
raphinkc'est un outil de lucas08:56
Tonio_oki08:56
raphinkqui permet de grer les paquets de plusieurs distros08:56
raphinktrs sympa08:57
Tonio_bah je testerai08:57
raphinkmais pas encore packag08:57
raphinkenfin c'est sur REVU depuis des mois je crois08:57
Tonio_mais comme pour mes packets la plupart ils viennent pas de chez debian....08:57
raphinkcertes08:57
raphinkmais bon c'est pour merger08:57
raphinkbon c 'est kaffeine et quoi qu'il faut que je regarde?08:57
Tonio_j'upload les autres attends ;)08:57
raphinkok08:57
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Tonio_raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=264409:02
raphinkTonio_: j'upload kaffeine09:10
raphinktu peux archiver sur REVU09:10
Tonio_ok09:11
Tonio_et sur la page wiki je met qu'il est dans la build queue09:11
raphinkok09:12
Tonio_raphink: sinon toma m'a montr un rglage cach de konq ;)09:13
Tonio_un truc super09:13
Tonio_remplacer l'icone des sites par un bouton ferm quannd on a le pointeur dessus09:13
raphinkatta je suis super oqp  aider un mec09:13
Tonio_super bien foutu :)09:13
Tonio_oki09:13
Tonio_raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=264509:17
Tonio_pour la collec ;)09:17
raphinkje regarde l'autre aprs09:17
raphinkje suis mga oqp l09:17
raphinkdsl09:17
raphinkargh j'ai mal regard09:21
raphinkTonio_: stp refais le kaffeine en edgy09:21
raphinket reup09:21
Tonio_j'ai loup ca ?09:22
Tonio_merde !09:22
raphink;)09:22
raphinkdu coup il a t refus09:22
raphinkparceuqe j'ai revu vite fait ;)09:22
Tonio_merdoum.....09:24
Lureraphink, Tonio_: hi - if I need to add new config file in package, should I just use patch (diff -N) or put new file in debian/ and copy it as appropriate in debian/rules?09:24
Tonio_Lure: I don't really understand the question......09:28
Tonio_raphink: j'ai tout reup....09:28
raphinkok09:29
raphinkj'ai pas le temps de voir a maintenant09:29
LureI need to add another config file to kmilo package - since it is not in orig.tar.gz, I think I can either put it as a file in debian/ and then change debian/rules to copy it to appropriate location or just do a patch in debian/patches which will creat new file (diff -N would be used)09:29
Tonio_Lure: yes09:32
Tonio_Lure: put it in ebian folder and add a dhinstall rule to rules file09:32
Tonio_you can either do with a patch, but that's useless09:32
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Lureok, will try to find the way in debian/rules...09:34
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raphinkTonio_: pour partitionner en console, tu prends quoi?10:19
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pygiabattoir, !!!10:31
abattoirhello pygi :) 10:32
Tonio_raphink: cfdisk10:49
raphinkcomment on fait quand on a vir le /var10:49
raphinket que dpkg il sait plus o il en est ? ;)10:49
pygiabattoir, see banyan10:50
LureRiddell: around?10:50
Tonio_raphink: arghhhhhhhhh10:51
raphinkhh10:51
Tonio_raphink: c'est une partition  part ou pas ?10:51
Tonio_ou alors c'est juste un dossier ?10:51
Tonio_raphink: essay eavec gpart10:53
Tonio_il peut recover tes partitions depuis la table de partoches10:53
Tonio_si c'est un dossier essaye avec testdisk10:54
raphinkah non j'ai repartionn10:54
raphinkje suis un boeuf10:54
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Pupeno__Hello.11:30
Pupeno__I'd like to code an idea I have for the installer, in fact, for the partitioner. Where would I start ?11:30
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tomaPupeno: maybe it is best to mail your idea to the ml11:51
tomaPupeno: i thought i heard something about a rewrite11:52
tomaPupeno: but im not sure11:52
Pupenotoma: I'd like to avoid vaporware.11:52
Pupenotoma: outch.11:52
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