[12:09] <mossman> I had one working years ago.  Did you compile the driver,  or use a binary package?
[12:09] <Pupeno> brb
[12:09] <erov> binary (default installation) drivers.. it's been that way since install.. it's a busted laptop hooked to a monitor to be used like a desktop
[12:09] <slavo> hi , i have one problem : i installed apache2 and it worked, but i have deleted /etc/apache2/ and i removed apache in adept but when i install apache2 again , it do not create /etc/apache2/apache2.conf , how to ?  tahnk you for your help
[12:10] <erov> i get 640 no matter what
[12:10] <erov> and ive went over the xorg.conf manually
[12:10] <mossman> checkout http://linmodems.org/  there is some info there.  Try building your own driver.  May do the trick
[12:10] <erov> k
[12:11] <stupendo44> mossman, I did build it
[12:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> vigilante: where do the fonts install , because they are not on the font list?
[12:11] <mossman> ahh. Sorry,  misunderstood
[12:11] <erov> oh you aint talking to me
[12:11] <erov> sorry i interjected into that convo
[12:11] <erov> :P
[12:11] <mossman> My fault erov.  Not reading well today
[12:13] <stupendo44> mossman, when I run "lsmod | grep lt" I see both ltserial and ltmodem as I should. I've also already created the symlink from /dev/modem to /dev/ttyLTM0
[12:13] <stupendo44> I followed the instructions from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg01177.html
[12:22] <mossman> that sounds right to me
[12:23] <stupendo44> mossman, ok, I'm going to try dialing with the log box open. It will probably hang, but I might get to see something
[12:32] <vigilante> how do I start up kget, can't find it
[12:33] <ryanakca> I'm having trouble running sudo aptitude update... the whole output from what I tried is here:   http://pastebin.ca/81794       as you may have noticed... at first I (wrongly) thought it was a proxy problem, so I tried restarting the network... no avail
[12:34] <ryanakca> vigilante: should be under KMenu-Internet-KGet.... if not... alt-f2 -> kget     .... and add it to KMeny
[12:35] <vigilante> ryanakca: I tried running it from cli, got not found
[12:35] <vigilante> not in Kmenu either
[12:38] <vigilante> ryanakca: its not installed, just looked in Adept for it, and its available to install
[12:41] <ryanakca> lol
[12:43] <mad_slackie> night all! :)
[12:45] <vigilante> is there a make live cd script in kubuntu to generate a new live cd based off you hardrive install, similar to what Mandriva one and PCLinuxOS has?
[12:51] <vigilante> btw, kudos to whoever developed the X gui config for monitor and video card in 6.06 :)  , we're getting close to having something like Yast or Harddrake
[12:53] <D4m4ge> good night :)
[01:02] <vigilante> Anyone here using xgl/compiz?  And is it worth the trouble?  (I heard you get 3D performance drop in games)
[01:02] <devlin__> I've tried installing Kubuntu 6.06LTS on two different machines neither would partition the hard disk. The only common denominator is they both have Maxtor 80G drives. I was able to install 5.10 on the same drive w/o problem. any ideas would be greatly appricated.
[01:06] <jeremyb> you could use a separate program to partition your hard drive
[01:07] <jeremyb> also, can't you just try upgrading to 6.06?
[01:07] <Blissex> devlin__: thats extremely unlikely.
[01:07] <Blissex> vigilante: not worth the trouble, and probably never, or at least for a few years.
[01:08] <vigilante> Blissex: thats what I thought... from reading and seeing the demos, I can tell w/o even installing it that its not worth it
[01:10] <devlin__> jeremyb: 5.10 got deleted when I reformated my disk due to a nice Win crash... Its really odd that it's done it on actually 3 pc's all crap out at repartitioning and all using the same make and size HD. What would you suggest for a reliable repartitioning prog. I can download?
[01:11] <SpAwN> devlin__: dla win98 boot disk and put it in and use fdisk
[01:11] <devlin__> Ack! that will kill my XP Pro install
[01:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> where are the msttcorefonts , i installed it but can select any of the fonts from kcontrol fonts
[01:11] <slow-motion> n8
[01:12] <jeremyb> I used qtparted on a CD
[01:12] <devlin__> isn't that what 6.06 uses?
[01:15] <jeremyb> sorry, I think I used gparted
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> jeremyb: Did it downgrade ok ?
[01:17] <devlin__> jeremyb: will look up that gparted. I liked 5.10 but I've seen 6.06 so I'm not giving up just loosing fists full of hair trying to get it on my machine lol
[01:17] <jeremyb> yes, I believe so, thanks very much h3sp4wn
[01:18] <jeremyb> devlin, did you use the check for errors feature on the 6.06 CD?
[01:20] <matt___> does anybody use pci (laptop) wifi cards on their ubuntu boxes?
[01:20] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> where are the msttcorefonts , i installed it but can select any of the fonts from kcontrol fonts
[01:20] <devlin__> jeremyb: yes, it didn't find any on either cd I burned. ( 1st thought I just burned a bad disc)
[01:20] <matt___> does anybody use pci (laptop) wifi cards on their ubuntu boxes?
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> matt__: minipci ?
[01:22] <angelos-> would you like to taste my own ubuntu flavor, called dickuntu ?
[01:23] <crimsun> angelos-: does it have ponies?
[01:23] <matt___> h3sp4wn: regular pci
[01:23] <Fiyawerx> pcmcia?
[01:23] <angelos-> it is juicy
[01:23] <Fiyawerx> i dont think a pci card is gonna fit in a laptop
[01:23] <angelos-> with nice guis
[01:23] <crimsun> angelos-: right, but does it have ponies?
[01:23] <matt___> yeah, pcmcia, I'm terrible at all networking related things :(
[01:23] <devlin__> brb
[01:23] <angelos-> yes
[01:23] <Blissex> Fiyawerx: there are mini-PCI cards and most laptops have some.
[01:23] <Fiyawerx> matt___: i do, on a dell latitude d600
[01:24] <crimsun> angelos-: what a crock.
[01:24] <Fiyawerx> Blissex: i know, he said pci, that's what i was saying :)
[01:24] <Blissex> oops
[01:24] <matt___> Flyawerx: what brand do you use, and did you use ndiswrapper, or was the support native?
[01:24] <Blissex> matt___: a mini-PCI to PCI adapter can be obtained, but they are very expensive.
[01:24] <Blissex> matt___: some for PCMCIA to PCI adapters.
[01:25] <Blissex> matt___: instead a native PCI wireless card can be very cheap, e.g. RALink ones.
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> matt___: I would say atheros are unconditionally the best but others may disagree
[01:25] <Blissex> matt___: anyhow USB is also a good idea for WiFi. Very portable.
[01:25] <Fiyawerx> matt___: support was native, good question tho, let me see what it is
[01:25] <Blissex> h3sp4wn: Atheros good, but expensive and very recent cards not supported.
[01:25] <matt___> Blissex: I have heard there are stability problems w/ usb wi-fi
[01:25] <Fiyawerx> matt___: suppor was native on my desktop w3g11v2 card also
[01:25] <Fiyawerx> had to change a modprobe option tho
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> Blissex: Madwifi 0.91 supports all of them (appart from usb) as far as I know
[01:26] <Blissex> matt___: same for non USB WiFi too.
[01:27] <Fiyawerx> matt___: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[01:27] <Fiyawerx> is my wifi
[01:27] <matt___> Fiyawerx: is that pcmcia?
[01:27] <shocktrooper1> hello.  I used wink screen capturer and my only screen resolution available is 640x480.  How can I reset this?
[01:27] <Fiyawerx> oh, sorry, it's built in
[01:28] <matt___> anybody use this driver, I recently bought a card from a fellow linux user employed at a compusa and he sent me a link for this driver: RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.4/Module
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> matt___: I don't like ralink stuff the radios in the two types of cards I have had have all been of poor quality
[01:29] <matt___> hmm....
[01:30] <shocktrooper1> anyone know of a way from the commandline?  Display doesn't work.
[01:30] <matt___> so, what is the best Atheros card out there for ubuntu laptops?
[01:30] <stupendo44> I need help, whenever I access /dev/modem, which is symlinked to /dev/ttyLTM0, kubuntu hangs unrecoverably. First of all, what would cause that? Is the kernel crashing?
[01:31] <jeremyb> I am using NetGear WG111v2 USB right now
[01:31] <stupendo44> I followed the instructions from here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg01177.html
[01:31] <matt___> jeremyb: how much was was it to set up?
[01:31] <Blissex> stupendo44: you are probably using a softmodem/winmodem, and those drivers are very buggy.
[01:31] <stupendo44> there was only one thing that I didn't follow
[01:32] <stupendo44> it was related to permissions, so it could possibly be causing the problem
[01:32] <jeremyb> it's quite nearly plug & play
[01:32] <stupendo44> the instructions said to edit /etc/udev/permissions.d/50-udev.permissions, but there is no permissions.d directory
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> matt__: http://www.ubnt.com/super_range_cardbus.php4
[01:32] <matt___> jeremyb: what was the non-plug & play work you had to do, and did you have access to WEP encrypted networks?
[01:33] <matt___> h3sp4wn: thx, I will check that link
[01:33] <stupendo44> also, how do I unload modules that I loaded with modprobe?
[01:33] <jeremyb> I installed KNetwork Manager and don't know about WEP, but I assume that there is no problem
[01:34] <matt___> so, KNetwork Manager did the work for you as far as setting up the connection?
[01:35] <matt___> h3sp4wn: is the super range linux compatible?
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> matt___: Madwifi supports it but you need a suitable router to use it
[01:36] <matt___> suitable how?
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> where's setting to make my hard-drive powerdown after a certain amount of time
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> matt___: You can't use extended range unless you have an atheros based router (or compatible)
[01:37] <matt___> would a belking54g router be compatible?
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> matt___: That card does g and a (simultaneus) with the right router
[01:38] <matt___> h3sp4wn: so, it has to be an atheros based router to work period at any functionality level?
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> matt___: No it will still work (probably better than any other card) at 54g
[01:39] <matt___> h3sp4wn: so is this the card that you use on an ubuntu laptop?
[01:41] <h3sp4wn> matt___: That is the best atheros card - there are others - I have one based on the same chipset but have other ubiquiti cards that are better than any other I have found yet
[01:41] <matt___> cool, so pretty much a guarantee of working then?
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> matt___: I know someone who has one that has it working with no problems
[01:42] <matt___> sorry, but I've been looking for good wi-fi for a long time, and want to be sure to get it right this time
[01:42] <matt___> thx
[01:42] <matt___> I'll give it a try
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> That with a suitable accesspoint uses 2 connections at the same time and autoswitches if one goes down
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> and balances the traffic between the 2 bands with no user intervention
[01:44] <stupendo44> how do I unload modules that I loaded with modprobe?
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> stupendo44: rmmod
[01:45] <matt___> would a d-link card have an Atheros chipset?
[01:46] <stupendo44> h3sp4wn, thanks. I also found out on my own just now that 'modprobe -r' does the trick
[01:46] <stupendo44> maybe I should use man more often :)
[01:46] <h3sp4wn> stupendo44: Some man pages are good some bad
[01:57] <MasterEvilAce> where's setting to make my hard-drive powerdown after a certain amount of time
[02:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> can someone tell me how to setup cleartype fonts?
[02:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> are there any sleartype fonts for linux then the ms fonts?
[02:03] <KDEfanboy> anyone running xgl with kde: how well is it working with KDE nowadays?
[02:04] <bipolar> good questiong KDEfanboy
[02:04] <bipolar> I've never tried it but often wondered
[02:05] <KDEfanboy> thx heh
[02:07] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> xgl runs really bad on kde using ati driver
[02:08] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> crashes ALL the time , unusable
[02:08] <cirrus_> I have no clue how to use IRC.  This should be fun ;)
[02:10] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Run xgl ON kde?
[02:10] <KDEfanboy> i tried it back in february, i think it was... took a lot of effort to get going on my old gentoo system, and compiz had display artifacts, system tray problems, and didn't recognize multiple desktops... wonder if it's changed much. it was stable on nvidia drivers tho
[02:10] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: i tried it out a few weeks ago
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> Is compiz-kde working yet ?
[02:11] <sensei> Gah, I have some reading to do.. I always thought xgl was an x-server on its own
[02:11] <sensei> Not a program ran under a WM
[02:12] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> well it is a new xserver
[02:12] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> but it uses window decorations etc that messes it up
[02:12] <h3sp4wn> It is an x-server on its own but I wouldn't want to use the gnome windwos decorator
[02:12] <sensei> h3sp4wn: So one doesn't actually run xgl on kde?
[02:12] <stodge> When I click Home in Konq, I get an error:    Cannot find parent item file:///home in the tree. Internal error.
[02:12] <stodge> Any ideas what's wrong?
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> sensei: You run compiz - with xgl or aiglx
[02:13] <KDEfanboy> meant xgl server, compiz wm
[02:13] <h3sp4wn> at least some of aiglx is in xorg 7.1
[02:13] <sensei> h3sp4wn: I take that as a no and halts the reading plans
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> sensei: you run kde on xgl or xorg (with aiglx) and use a window decorator
[02:14] <sensei> Yeah, that makes more sense
[02:15] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> it works a lot batter on nvidia cards , if u have a ati card forget about using it with kde
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> VieLGuS-KuTaS: So are you using compiz-kde ?
[02:17] <larson9999> why do there continue to be linux users who buy ati cards?  they get them while they were windows users?
[02:17] <larson9999> or cheap from others who've switched?
[02:17] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> h3sp4wn: no , when i tried it compizkde was a mess ...so i didnt even bother
[02:27] <danl> what are someother good kde apps to install, so far i've installed superkaramba, kxdocker, yakuake...
[02:28] <sensei> kolf is crucial
[02:28] <larson9999> sensei: never heard of it.  guess i've been missing out
[02:28] <danl> already installed
[02:29] <sensei> larson9999: Oh yeah, can't do much work on a Linux station without kolf
[02:30] <danl> lol
[02:30] <larson9999> sensei: the golf game?
[02:30] <sensei> Indeed
[02:30] <danl> i find yakuake the most useful :-D
[02:31] <larson9999> is it good?  right now i just use nerverputt to get my mini-golf fix
[02:31] <sensei> Haven't really tried anything else, but I'm happy with it :)
[02:31] <sensei> danl: Tried Bukkake ?
[02:31] <larson9999> the neverball and foobilliard guys should get together and make a golf game
[02:32] <danl> hmmm... im thinking thats not a linux app
[02:32] <TheHighChild> LOL
[02:32] <sensei> danl: Hm, could be right :/
[02:32] <danl> lol
[02:32] <sensei> Should be though.. *gets the whiteboard*
[02:32] <larson9999> although i'd rather see the foobilliard guy get the rules to billiards right first
[02:32] <TheHighChild> Any 1337 folks using xgl?
[02:33] <larson9999> ok, here goes kolf
[02:33] <sensei> :)
[02:34] <sensei> Let's start a holywar between minigolf games  la firefox rules and opera sux
[02:35] <danl> lol
[02:35] <larson9999> oh, neverputt is better
[02:35] <sensei> That's so not true!
[02:35] <sensei> neverputt steals code from kolf!
[02:35] <sensei> And introduces new features in stable releases.. it suck!
[02:36] <danl> lol
[02:36] <larson9999> neverputt had tabbed mini-golf waaayyyy before kolf
[02:36] <vigilante> Trackball rules!
[02:37] <vigilante> Trackballs
[02:37] <sensei> Oh, how unexpected, a third zealot! :)
[02:38] <vigilante> hehe, I like Trackballs cause I was a MarbleMadness fan from nintendo days
[02:39] <sensei> Yeah, trackball's nice.. Haven't got the patience for it tho :/
[02:40] <larson9999> you know, lots of the kolf holes look a lot like the neverputt holes :)
[02:40] <vigilante> Just tried installing nvidia drivers per the wiki: I get this message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17460 , help please?
[02:42] <sensei> vigilante: Just edit it by hand
[02:42] <sensei> Probably works anyways.. Although I'm guessing now, I really have no idea if nvidia-glx-config enable does anything other than altering xorg.conf
[02:42] <sensei> But what the heck, can't break anything :)
[02:43] <blake> Hey
[02:43] <Fiyawerx> sensei: famous last words
[02:45] <sensei> Fiyawerx: lol, true
[02:45] <vigilante> sensei: my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17462
[02:45] <larson9999> that looks a lot like the message i'd get in mandriva when i'd have headers from a version of the kernel that didn't match the kernel actually running
[02:46] <larson9999> i suppose that's not the problem here though
[02:55] <oomph> do i need to edit my hosts.allow to allow SSH access?
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> oomph: openssh does not use tcp wrappers on ubuntu
[03:01] <oomph> ok... so what should i check
[03:01] <oomph> to connect to it
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> oomph: It just works by default if openssh-server is installed
[03:02] <oomph> when i try to connect it gives me a blank screen
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> Are you at the ubuntu machine now ?
[03:02] <oomph> i can be
[03:03] <oomph> im trying to help my friend across the WAN, he has his firewall open for me to connect to
[03:03] <oomph> hes running kubuntu
[03:03] <oomph> and did an apt-get install openssh-server
[03:03] <actinic> oomph, does he have port 22 open?
[03:03] <oomph> yes
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> The only thing I can think of is port forwarding if he is using it is not working properly
[03:04] <actinic> and you sure ssh is running on his end?
[03:04] <oomph> to my knowledge yes
[03:04] <actinic> as root he should do:  /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[03:05] <oomph> k trying now
[03:05] <oomph> he just did that command and its a no go
[03:06] <actinic> what's the error message?
[03:06] <oomph> from putty i get no error
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> oomph: sudo netstat -lpAinet (get him to do that) if he doesn't have something similar to tcp        0      0 *:ssh                   *:*                     LISTEN     2395/sshd (its not running)
[03:06] <oomph> just a blank screen that hangs
[03:07] <vigilante> got it working now, right monitor selected and nvidia drivers
[03:07] <actinic> error message from his end?
[03:08] <actinic> pc you're trying to connect to must run the /etc/init.d/ssh restart command
[03:08] <oomph> he just did and got nothing with sshd
[03:08] <actinic> got nothing?  no error message?
[03:08] <actinic> just a blank?
[03:08] <actinic> cursor blinking?  what?
[03:08] <oomph> yeah just blank
[03:09] <oomph> blinking curser
[03:09] <vigilante> what is the purpose of adept installer, vs adept package manager?
[03:09] <actinic> i think he hasn't installed
[03:09] <actinic> at least correctly
[03:10] <oomph> hrmm
[03:10] <oomph> let me check some things
[03:12] <actinic> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_SSH_Server_for_remote_administration_service
[03:12] <Fiyawerx> there's a guide for it?
[03:12] <oomph> k
[03:12] <oomph> thanks
[03:13] <oomph> if he had a wifi card and ethernet
[03:13] <oomph> could it be listening on wrong adapter?
[03:13] <oomph> sorry a bit new to linux still :)
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> It would bind to all interfaces by default unless specifically changed
[03:13] <oomph> ok
[03:15] <ueda> oi
[03:18] <actinic> what's with automatic preview?  I can't seem to disable it.  grrrrr
[03:20] <vigilante> how do I add new programs automatically to Kmenu (non kde ones don't show up)
[03:21] <larson9999> i didn't realize dick and jane was a remake.  watching the original now.  so seldom is there a remake that's even as good as the original.  let alone better.  why do they bother?
[03:21] <larson9999> vigilante: you can run kappfinder
[03:21] <vigilante> larson9999: that doesn't seem to be installed by default
[03:21] <larson9999> vigilante: maybe not.  install it then
[03:22] <vigilante> trudat
[03:22] <larson9999> if you want :)
[03:23] <vigilante> better than manually adding stuff, that should really be in kubuntu by default, and set to auto run after adept
[03:23] <larson9999> it never worked for me in mandriva but it seems to work find in ubuntu
[03:23] <vigilante> hmm, its not finding the programs I installed
[03:23] <larson9999> vigilante: oh well.
[03:24] <larson9999> i think it has to do with the directories they're installed in etc.  for instance ooo isn't picked up if you install from the ooo site
[03:24] <larson9999> but it picked up about 40 programs when i ran it
[03:29] <blake> Hey could someone help me with something simple?
[03:29] <oomph> getting connection refused error now
[03:29] <oomph> getting closer :P
[03:29] <blake> How do I make the windows transparent?
[03:30] <blake> Using Kubuntu
[03:30] <blake> Could anyone help me with that?
[03:30] <talljon84> Evening all -- If adept is giving an error about retrieving dapper-security Release.gpg on fetch updates, what is going wrong?
[03:31] <actinic> !gpg
[03:31] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[03:32] <talljon84> Why would you need to do this for the Dapper security repository?
[03:33] <vigilante> how do I access the nvidia card settings panel in kubuntu?
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> talljon84: It should be in ubuntu-keyring
[03:35] <talljon84> h3sp4wn: this is a fresh kubuntu install. nothing has changed yet and this user is getting this the first time they try to load adept updates. i don't recall having to do anything on install, how come they need to now?
[03:35] <h3sp4wn> talljon84: They don't - It could be a server problem
[03:36] <oomph> is there a way to check with apt-get which repository your getting a certain package from?
[03:36] <cold> hmm why doesn't ubuntu have mkinitrd ?
[03:36] <Hawkwind> oomph: apt-cache policy <app>
[03:36] <blake> How do I make windows transparent?
[03:36] <cold> and how can I get it installed
[03:36] <blake> Anyone know ?
[03:37] <oomph> thanks
[03:37] <Hawkwind> blake: Depends on the app in question
[03:37] <blake> just the active window in Kubuntu
[03:37] <Hawkwind> blake: Or do you mean true transparency like making all of konqueror transparent ?
[03:37] <blake> yeah, true transparency
[03:37] <Hawkwind> blake: xcompmgr and transset is what you need to read about then
[03:37] <blake> thanks.
[03:37] <oomph> thanks hawkwind
[03:38] <Hawkwind> blake: That's handled through Xorg.
[03:38] <Hawkwind> oomph: No problem
[03:38] <blake> Ah
[03:38] <oomph> thats exactly the command i needed
[03:41] <groovis> hullo!
[03:41] <groovis> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40920
[03:42] <groovis> what happens when you try to download that?
[03:42] <groovis> KDE opens a text editor on me.
[03:42] <groovis> I want the file to 'save as' instead...anyone else having this problem?
[03:42] <actinic> when I try ftp://username:password@ipaddress i get a 'could not connect to host"
[03:42] <actinic> any ideas?
[03:43] <actinic> this is trying to connect kubuntu to another linux box
[03:43] <actinic> within my lan
[03:43] <groovis> actinic: you did install ftp, yes?
[03:44] <actinic> yes, it shows as installed
[03:44] <groovis> do ftp 'ip address'
[03:45] <Hawkwind> actinic: Leave off the password part.  It should ask you for one IIRC
[03:45] <actinic> this is in konqueror by the way
[03:45] <groovis> so, anyone heard of my little KDE problem?
[03:46] <actinic> ftp "ip address" shows 'could not connect to host'
[03:46] <actinic> in my case ftp://192.168.0.7
[03:46] <groovis> no no
[03:46] <groovis> do it from a console
[03:46] <groovis> 'ftp 192.168.0.7'
[03:46] <groovis> what's the error?
[03:47] <actinic> from console the error is: 'No such file or directory'
[03:47] <actinic> correction ...
[03:47] <actinic> error message is: 'bash: ftp://192.168.0.7: No such file or directory'
[03:48] <groovis> weird.
[03:48] <actinic> ftp 192.168.0.7 shows 'connection refused'
[03:48] <actinic> from console
[03:48] <groovis> then it's not set up.
[03:48] <actinic> at which end?
[03:48] <groovis> install it on kubuntu
[03:48] <groovis> apt-get install ftp
[03:49] <Hawkwind> groovis: I get a box that asks me if I want to save it to disk or open it with an app of my choice
[03:49] <groovis> er
[03:49] <groovis> wait.
[03:49] <groovis> Hawkwind: really?
[03:49] <groovis> Hawkwind: damn...mine opens my text editor.
[03:49] <Hawkwind> groovis: Yep.  Just like with any other download link
[03:49] <Hawkwind> groovis: Then you probably need to change your file associations
[03:49] <groovis> Hawkwind: I haven't touched them.
[03:50] <actinic> according to apt, 'ftp is already installed'
[03:50] <groovis> hang on.
[03:50] <actinic> '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded'
[03:50] <actinic> brb
[03:51] <groovis> Hawkwind: I have no file association in Konqueror for .deb files.
[03:51] <groovis> Hawkwind: I removed it.
[03:52] <groovis> Hawkwind: so KDE should ask me what I want to do with it...
[03:52] <Hawkwind> groovis: You doing this in konqueror ?
[03:52] <cold> can someone help me setup /etc/mkinitrd ?
[03:52] <groovis> actinic: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_beginner_books/unofficial_ubuntu_starter_guide/index_204.html
[03:53] <Hawkwind> groovis: Ahhh, it opens it in an editor here as well if I do it in konqueror
[03:53] <Hawkwind> groovis: I was using firefox so that's why it saves it
[03:54] <Hawkwind> That's why I don't use konqueror as a webbrowser but only as a file manager
[03:54] <blake> ah, krystal allows you to change the opacity and things
[03:54] <blake> great
[03:54] <Hawkwind> blake: What is krystal ?
[03:55] <groovis> Hawkwind: I know FF works...but it's too slow for me...
[03:55] <blake> the window decoration
[03:55] <groovis> Hawkwind: try that in Konqueror
[03:56] <Hawkwind> groovis: I did.  It opens up an editor
[03:56] <talljon84> Alright, so this is weird. This user is on a fresh Kubuntu install, can ping us.archive.ubuntu.com but apt-get update times out. I'm not having any problems updating. What are we missing?
[03:57] <Hawkwind> talljon84: Try archive.ubuntu.com instead
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> talljon84: have they a proxy set?
[03:57] <Hawkwind> talljon84: Or are you talking about during the install apt-get is timing out ?
[03:57] <talljon84> Hawkwind: ok. standby
[03:58] <talljon84> no proxy. it's just a normal home DSL connection
[03:58] <groovis> Hawkwind: ok...so make that stop. :)
[03:59] <Hawkwind> groovis: I have no idea how unless you set a file association for .deb files within konqueror/kde
[04:00] <groovis> Hawkwind: see that's the problem...I just want it to prompt me to 'save as' like it does in FF
[04:00] <groovis> Hawkwind: and it's driving me mad!!
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> talljon84: are you sure one wasn't set during setup by mistake? Check the /etc/apt/apt.conf file for proxy settings just in case maybe.
[04:00] <talljon84> good point. i'll have her check that
[04:03] <jebidiah> when i press ctrl+alt+f1 it just restarts my X instead of going to console?
[04:03] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> what is the purpose of the katapult?
[04:03] <jebidiah> Katapult is a Linux software utility that runs under KDE. It allow the user to quickly launch applications or open files by pressing Alt + space and typing the beginning of the file or application name. It's written in C++
[04:03] <jebidiah> It was inspired by Quicksilver for Mac OS X
[04:03] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> jebidiah: press ctrl+alt+f7 to go back to xserver
[04:04] <groovis> katapult rocks.
[04:04] <groovis> Yakuake is another good one.
[04:04] <jebidiah> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Yeah, I know that
[04:04] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> jebidiah: ok ,
[04:05] <Hawkwind> VieLGuS-KuTaS: He said the problem is that ctrl-alt-f1 restarts X.  It does NOT take him to a console
[04:05] <jebidiah> VieLGuS-KuTaS: for some reason, when i press ctrl+alt+f1 it _restarts_ my X instead of taking me to console
[04:05] <jebidiah> exactly
[04:05] <larson9999> does kwickview work with dapper yet?
[04:06] <larson9999> Hawkwind: happen to find out if apt-get works on partial names yet?  as far as i can tell it doesn't
[04:07] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Haven't looked
[04:07] <larson9999> apparently kuickview doesn't
[04:08] <vigilante> Does anyone else have the problem of non-kde programs not showing up in Kmenu when installed?  This is the first kde distro that Ive had this problem with... and kappfinder doesn't help
[04:10] <larson9999> vigilante: funny thing is that in mandriva i had that problem since the 90's but kubuntu is much better :)
[04:10] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i install teh flash player for swiftfox under x64 , last time i installed itself through the web , but now it doesnt and when i want to install manually it sais it doesnt support x64
[04:11] <Hawkwind> vigilante: Works here, but then again I don't use KDE and see the menus there
[04:11] <Hawkwind> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Flash isn't available for 64Bit
[04:11] <vigilante> larson9999: I just tried mandriva, no problems...  I installed Firefox and many others, don't show up
[04:12] <vigilante> err, not firefox, but some others
[04:13] <angel12> hey guys, im a new convert to kde, how do i get it to show a 12 hour clock instead of the 24 hour clock?
[04:13] <Hawkwind> angel12: Try right clicking on the clock and going to options/settings or something maybe ?
[04:14] <angel12> i cant find it in there
[04:16] <angel12> oh well
[04:16] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> Hawkwind: i know , but swiftfox supports the flash with the 32bit libs on the x64 platform
[04:16] <angel12> stupid american culture as gotten me lazy
[04:26] <benkong2> why does knetworkmanager only have 40/104 bit encryption available? I am using 128 WEP and it keeps asking for my password
[04:28] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i move files in kde as root , without using console?
[04:28] <larson9999> angel12: right click on the clock and it's Adjust Date & Time Format
[04:30] <_steeldad_> yes
[04:30] <angel12> larson9999: where at?
[04:30] <nixternal> VieLGuS-KuTaS: alt+f2    type in      kdesu konqueror
[04:30] <larson9999> angel12: right click on the clock in the lower right hand corner.  then Adjust Date & Time Format
[04:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> nixternal: is that temporary or not?
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> VieLGuS-KuTaS: kdesu krusader (krusader is alot better than konqueror I think if you need graphical)
[04:31] <angel12> larson9999: yeah, but where in the config?
[04:31] <nixternal> until you close konqueror
[04:31] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> ok thanks
[04:31] <ubuntu> how do i browse a windows partione and a ffs partition in kubuntu
[04:32] <ubiquitous> ubuntu: ntfs u meant?
[04:32] <larson9999> angel12: oops! it's just 'Date & Time Format'
[04:32] <ubuntu> ubiquitous: yes one is ntfs, the other is ffs
[04:33] <ubiquitous> ubuntu: theree is no "ffs" filesystem
[04:33] <ubuntu> ??
[04:34] <larson9999> angel12: oops! it's just 'Date & Time Format' -> 'Time & Dates' -> 'Time Format' drop down -> select the on with AMPM
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> ffs is bsd
[04:34] <LjL> ... and amiga
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> But normally refered to as ufs
[04:35] <ubuntu> ok, so what should i call it?
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Is it a freebsd partition ?
[04:35] <ubuntu> no it's a netbsd partititon
[04:36] <ubuntu> ok how do i access ntfs? i want to do it one by one
[04:36] <Kadran> hi all
[04:37] <Kadran> why updat-grub doesn't add my windows installation in the other harddisk, any ideas?
[04:38] <benkong2> does networkmanager.conf still require adding a policy for the non-privilidged user to work correctly in Kubuntu?
[04:39] <angel12> larson9999: thanks, i got it figured out right before i saw your message lol, i didnt play around enough
[04:41] <Kadran> why update-grub doesn't add my windows installation in the other harddisk, any ideas?
[04:42] <igalmarino> hola
[04:42] <ubuntu> anyone know how to access ntfs from kubuntu?
[04:43] <Kadran> ubuntu you can use capitive but it still beta
[04:43] <ubuntu> i'm now in kubuntu live cd(which is a pain)
[04:44] <ubuntu> it's soooooooo slow i don't know what's goin on
[04:44] <ubuntu> the cdrom keep running
[04:44] <Kadran> ubuntu: so i guess you can't install the capitive on it...
[04:44] <Kadran> install it on your hd it will work faster
[04:46] <Kadran> i have tried using capitive but it takes a long time to copy any thing to ntfs
[04:47] <ubuntu> well, i have two hard drive, one is ntfs, the other is netbsd ffs, or whatever you call it
[04:50] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: I would probably call it ufs2
[05:04] <Cntryboy> Anyone know if apollon p2p program has a feature to turn off the download notification?
[05:25] <actinic> want to learn more about kubuntu?  Check this out ....
[05:25] <actinic> http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[05:25] <actinic> !!
[05:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about !!
[05:26] <actinic> 42 pages lol
[05:26] <Hawkwind> actinic: LinuxLoader.com is a great site.  I've known PDR60 for a while now since he and I both ran Mandrake/Mandriva and I've been a member of his site for a while
[05:26] <actinic> quiz tomorrow
[05:26] <actinic> :)
[05:26] <actinic> I saw that.
[05:26] <Hawkwind> I've got several posts on the forums there :)
[05:26] <actinic> Good job Hawkwind
[05:26] <actinic> i bookmarked you '10 tips' post
[05:27] <Hawkwind> actinic: Heh kewl.  I've also got a forum I run at http://LinuxForDummies.org/  which has some info on it too :)
[05:28] <actinic> author seems high on Adept
[05:28] <actinic> what's your feeling?
[05:28] <oomph> nice site
[05:28] <oomph> thanks for the link
[05:28] <Hawkwind> actinic: I've actually not read all of it yet.  But I do know PDR60 talks highly of Adept on the Mandriva Club Forums too
[05:29] <oomph> hawkwind: do you make use of the pinning function in apt?
[05:29] <oomph> for your source.list
[05:29] <oomph> i'm trying not to break my install :P
[05:29] <Hawkwind> oomph: No, but I know about it and should start using it one day.  I've just switched from Mandriva to Kubuntu about 2 weeks ago
[05:29] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does if i can install ooo 2.0.3 rc7 from source on x64 kubuntu?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> oomph: Ahhh, all those sources are tested to not break an install
[05:30] <Hawkwind> oomph: I've got about 150 users using it and they have had no problems
[05:30] <maltron> hey all - ok, ubuntu crashed on me yesterday, and I wanna find out why.  It was a complete system lock-up.  kern.log said this: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[05:30] <bobstro> has the kde artwork app disappeared in dapper? i loved that thing.
[05:30] <Hawkwind> oomph: Only sources that might cause a problem that you can easily comment out are the Compiz and XGL sources
[05:30] <maltron> sorry, I'm using kubuntu, but it shouldn't make a difference.  Dapper, by the way
[05:31] <Hawkwind> maltron: Did you look in /var/log/messages for anything referencing it ?
[05:31] <oomph> what do you like more about kubuntu over mandriva?
[05:31] <maltron> Hawkwind: I've saved all the logs, but what does the "reference" look like?  What am I supposed to look for?
[05:32] <Hawkwind> oomph: About the only thing I like 'over' Mandriva is the speed of the package manager.  Though I don't know apt-get like I know urpmi, it's tons faster than urpmi is.
[05:32] <Hawkwind> oomph: Plus I like the size of the community and the backing it has financially.  Plus so far it seems really stable and even a bit faster overall on the same system I ran Mandriva on
[05:32] <larson9999> oomph: i like the philosophy of ubuntu more.
[05:32] <Hawkwind> maltron: Have you put that into google and see what it returns ?  That reference error ?
[05:32] <larson9999> hawkind is it faster?  i didn't notice
[05:33] <oomph> yeah, i just began using linux this monht
[05:33] <oomph> month
[05:33] <larson9999> i have a slow system so you'd think i'd notice
[05:33] <maltron> Hawkwind - I'll check now
[05:33] <oomph> right when dapper came out
[05:33] <Hawkwind> larson9999: A bit.  Not super fast, but it is slightly noticable
[05:33] <oomph> been trying to decide on mepis or kubuntu
[05:33] <bur[n] er> happily using kubuntu?
[05:33] <larson9999> Hawkwind: if you can't put in partial names, i think i might prefer urpmi
[05:33] <Hawkwind> oomph: Kewl kewl.  I've been using it for 4 1/2 years.  Started with Mandrake and used it ever since then.  I did test other distros a bit but always had Mandrake/Mandriva as my main OS
[05:34] <oomph> i think im gonna go kubuntu because of the larger community base
[05:34] <Hawkwind> larson9999: That doesn't bother me since I know how to use apt-cache search
[05:34] <larson9999> Hawkwind: things in kde seem to work better, too.
[05:34] <oomph> although there are some things i really like about mepis
[05:34] <actinic> Hawkwind: ever try PCLinuxOS?
[05:34] <danl> is there an easy way to get java installed for firefox?
[05:34] <Hawkwind> oomph: I ran the largest 3rd party RPM repository for Mandriva at http://SeerOfSouls.com/ which gets millions of hits per month.  I'm trying to learn deb packaging so I can expand SoS a bit
[05:35] <oomph> yeah, i much prefer kde over gnome
[05:35] <danl> i have the jdk installed and usable for this user, but not the plugin for ff
[05:35] <mebsd> me too
[05:35] <mebsd> kde rocks
[05:35] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> yup
[05:35] <bobstro> oomph:  i really liked mepis, but it seems to have deviated far enough from debian for a few things to break. at least that was my impression.
[05:35] <larson9999> Hawkwind: aha, that will do it.  i knew there was something
[05:35] <Hawkwind> actinic: Yes.  I didn't care for it mainly because it was such a small community and such.  Plus Texstar comes from Mandrake as well and he lives about 20 minutes from me.  He was pushed out of Mandrake for several reasons
[05:36] <oomph> well the new mepis 6.0 is based on kubuntu
[05:36] <actinic> there's still a few annoying bugs with KDE and Kubuntu
[05:36] <mebsd> if i install kubuntu on hard drive, will it see the already existed netbsd ffs?
[05:36] <actinic> Hawkwind: as you've prob noticed the PCLOS community is rapidly growing
[05:36] <maltron> Hawkwind: all I can find out from Google is that that messages about the soft lock up doesn't seem to usually result in a crash
[05:36] <larson9999> Hawkwind: your site sucked
[05:36] <larson9999> jk
[05:36] <bobstro> oomph:  i last tried it about a year ago. what have they changed from kubuntu?
[05:36] <maltron> Hawkwind: maybe it's something else...
[05:37] <maltron> Hawkwind: but it did happen at the time of the crash
[05:37] <Hawkwind> actinic: Yep.  I've got a couple of users in my #LFD (help channel for the http://LinuxForDummies.org/ site) that are part of the PcLinuxOS team actually
[05:37] <larson9999> actinic: such as?  i've found it to be better than kde+mandriva
[05:37] <maltron> Hawkwind: there was also a mention about Skype doing something
[05:37] <oomph> bob: right now its very similiar to kubunu using many of the same repositories
[05:37] <mebsd> how much space kubuntu need?
[05:37] <actinic> larson9999, here's a demonstration ....
[05:37] <oomph> they have some additional system control panel tweaks
[05:37] <oomph> and a few different packages
[05:38] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Though you used SoS all the time IIRC :P
[05:38] <oomph> already installed
[05:38] <actinic> drag & drop a *.txt file from konq to the desktop
[05:38] <maltron> Hawkwind: I'm using the new Skype Beta, but even if it crashed it shouldn't have taken the system down.
[05:38] <Hawkwind> maltron: It's possible it might have.  Beta software is known to do pretty much anything
[05:38] <oomph> anyone know where i can find some asci drawing for my motd :P
[05:38] <actinic> the test file on the desktop is in 'preview' mode
[05:38] <actinic> there's no way to disable preview mode
[05:39] <larson9999> Hawkwind: yeah your site rocked.  will i be getting debs from you too?
[05:39] <Hawkwind> larson9999: I'm learning to build deb packages so hopefully soon. I do have Xchat-2.6.4 that I built that is now part of Edgy
[05:40] <bobstro> oomph:  text or drawings?
[05:40] <maltron> Hawkwind: yeah, but surely an os like linux should just take it in its stride?  When I say lock up, I mean I couldn't do anything.  couldn't go back to an ascii terminal, couldn't log in remotely -nothing
[05:40] <oomph> bob: either is cool
[05:40] <bobstro> oomph:  figlet lets you do the "big print" stuff using ascii chars
[05:41] <Hawkwind> maltron: I've had xmms totally lock up the system before.  It 'can' happen.  Beta software makes it even more believeable
[05:41] <oomph> not familiar with that
[05:41] <maltron> Hawkwind: it was just like those agp lockups i used to get with the proprietary radeon drivers (I use the open source ones onw)
[05:41] <oomph> i just want a penguin or something
[05:41] <oomph> heh
[05:41] <maltron> Hawkwind: in fact there was something about the agp in the logs too
[05:41] <bobstro> oomph:  lots of fonts you can install. good for motd and such. also, there's at least one image-to-ascii program out there, but i'm not sure if there's a deb in the repositories.
[05:41] <actinic> hey guys, i've got some pretty nice wallpapers for the taking if you're interested:  ftp://oberon.gotdns.com/Wallpaper/
[05:42] <maltron> Hawkwind: wow, who would've though?
[05:42] <larson9999> actinic: the disable flag doesn't work if you log off and back on?
[05:42] <bobstro> if only i could get the kde artwork program back!
[05:42] <actinic> larson9999: nope
[05:42] <larson9999> actinic: i might never have noticed that
[05:42] <maltron> Hawkwind: is it worth reporting a bug?  And to whom?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> maltron: If you report it it needs to be to skype pesonally since it's their software
[05:43] <oomph> i just installed figlet
[05:43] <oomph> does anyone know if there is a way to start a KDE session to a PC from a windows box?
[05:43] <bobstro> oomph:  hmm. a quick search in synaptic reveals there are quite a few ascii art toys!
[05:43] <bobstro> oomph:  as in a terminal services session?
[05:44] <oomph> yes, more or less
[05:44] <actinic> anyone installed Istanbul?  <-- captures screen sessions
[05:44] <bobstro> oomph:  what do you mean "kde session"?
[05:44] <oomph> somethign other than vnc
[05:44] <larson9999> what's the deathmatch ascii game?  it looked pretty cool
[05:44] <oomph> like a client that can connect to the xserver
[05:44] <bobstro> oomph:  you could run x apps with cygwin.
[05:44] <oomph> ohh
[05:44] <actinic> larson9999: there's other stuff too, mostly annoyance
[05:44] <maltron> Hawkwind: I'm not yet 100% sure it was Skype though - gaim was the program that crashed, skype itself kept going for a bit.  About the AGP, here's the very last thing that kern.log said before the reboot:[drm]  Loading R200 Microcode
[05:45] <maltron> Hawkwind: I have a radeon mobility 9200
[05:45] <oomph> is cygwin pretty fast?
[05:45] <AmazingRuss> oomph:  look into vmplayer
[05:45] <maltron> Hawkwind:I'm not sure why it had to load the "R200" microcode
[05:45] <AmazingRuss> get the vmware demo, and you can create a kubuntu vm
[05:45] <bobstro> larson9999:  don't know that one, but it seems there's a ski jumping game using ascii artwork!
[05:45] <AmazingRuss> then run it free with the player
[05:45] <jimmy__> I have a simple question
[05:46] <jimmy__> for anyone
[05:46] <larson9999> oomph: i've used freenx with a no machine client from windows xp.  it's faster than tightvnc and free.
[05:46] <bobstro> AmazingRuss:  that'll run linux on the windows box, but not access a remote linux box. at least not directly.
[05:46] <oomph> i have vmware i don't need to run kubuntu in a virtual machine
[05:46] <oomph> its my host OS
[05:46] <oomph> on my laptop but my gaming pc is still windows
[05:46] <jimmy__> by the way... THANX VECTER
[05:46] <bobstro> oomph:  vnc no good for you?
[05:47] <actinic> i'm tempted to change the kernel ... currently running 386 ... on an Opteron!
[05:47] <larson9999> oomph: yeah, that setup lets you connect remoting from windows.  gives you an x windows.  that not what your looking for?
[05:47] <oomph> vnc is alright but im looking for other options that maybe out there
[05:47] <oomph> yes larson, i think ill check that out
[05:47] <oomph> sound along the lines of what id be looking for
[05:48] <jimmy__> will bittorrent run in kde
[05:48] <jimmy__> ?
[05:48] <jimmy__> \?
[05:48] <oomph> will it work over ssh?
[05:48] <oomph> jimmy use ktorrent
[05:48] <larson9999> oomph: yeah.
[05:48] <jimmy__> thank you
[05:48] <oomph> welcome
[05:48] <actinic> Opera 9 has a built-in bit torrent and works great
[05:49] <oomph> yeah the new opera isn't bad either
[05:49] <mebsd> opera sux
[05:49] <actinic> love the widgets too: http://widgets.opera.com/
[05:49] <actinic> incl the bittorrent widget
[05:49] <oomph> larson will it work on a windows client?
[05:49] <mebsd> i use bitcomet, it's the best
[05:49] <larson9999> oomph: it took me a whole weekend to figure out how to setup it up but i'm a moron.  forgot what site i found that finally put it into english for me.
[05:49] <actinic> mebsd: using ver 9?
[05:50] <oomph> well if you happen to find it again shoot me the link
[05:50] <larson9999> oomph: yes.  freenx is the oss linux server part and the windows client is no machine.  the no machine windows client is free
[05:50] <AmazingRuss> I'm having intermittant shutdown problems...x goes black, but the console don't come up.  Anybody have ideas?
[05:50] <mebsd> actinic no i don't use opera
[05:51] <orient2000> Hi there. I need some help. apt-get update E Type http://www.beerorkid.com/automatix/apt is not known on line 32 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:51] <actinic> mebsd: ok, i'll assume the 'sux' comment was for effect :)
[05:51] <oomph> larson: is this what you are refering to?
[05:51] <larson9999> oomph you probably won't have issues.  i do a lot of things like skip steps on accident that trip me up a lot.
[05:51] <oomph> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/freenx-knx
[05:51] <AmazingRuss> orient...did you put that line in yourself?
[05:51] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> what is the command to specify which jave to use as default?
[05:51] <orient2000> I can not run adept or update manager, can not open adept cache
[05:52] <oomph> larson: you're forgetting i'
[05:52] <mebsd> there's free firefox and avantor, why need opera
[05:52] <larson9999> oomph: yep.
[05:52] <oomph> ve only used linux less than a month
[05:52] <oomph> heh
[05:52] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> and swiftfox
[05:52] <actinic> opera's free too plus speed and greater rendering and ...
[05:52] <orient2000> Yes I did put this line myself into list.
[05:52] <AmazingRuss> orient: do you need it?  If not, just stick a # in front of it
[05:52] <oomph> larson: is it available via apt-get?
[05:52] <actinic> firefox is getting bloated
[05:53] <larson9999> oomph: well, you could get hawkwind to get it working on his system and then tell you how.  he's pretty good with newbies
[05:53] <larson9999> :)
[05:53] <mebsd> ok i'm downloading opera. i'll tell you what i think
[05:53] <mebsd> firefox got extension though
[05:53] <orient2000> Ok but I can not save it because I do not have privilages. I do nkow how to edit. I am the only user.
[05:53] <oomph> brb im gonna go buy beer and i got 5 mins before they stop selling
[05:53] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> opera is pretty cool , but i prefer swiftfox over them all
[05:53] <oomph> gotta haul ass
[05:53] <actinic> i'm running this irc chant on Opera too
[05:53] <Frederick> folks anyone got a cool colos scheme for konsole?
[05:54] <actinic> er chat
[05:54] <mebsd> opera is bloat too. why would a browser need irc?
[05:54] <AmazingRuss> go to a console and run sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:54] <larson9999> oomph: i haven't look but i wouldn't be surprised if there was a nice site talking about how to set it up in ubuntu.  i recently switched from mandriva and haven't set it up in ubuntu yet
[05:54] <AmazingRuss> will prompt you for password...yours will probably work
[05:54] <actinic> because it's a tab just like web sites ... easy access
[05:54] <mebsd> opera got everything, mail, irc, browser, but none of them are really good
[05:55] <actinic> lol mebsd, give the newest version a chance
[05:55] <AmazingRuss> Dont do it man!  Opera gave me genital warts!
[05:56] <mebsd> ok
[05:56] <actinic> lol, there's a vaccine for it now
[05:56] <larson9999> opera is fine.  but i'm penalizing them for taking so long to go ad free
[05:56] <AmazingRuss> norton?
[05:56] <actinic> nothing cures norton
[05:57] <AmazingRuss> :(
[05:57] <larson9999> norton! oh god
[05:57] <actinic> norton is the only prog which is worse than the problem
[05:58] <actinic> short of windows geniune advantage :)
[05:58] <AmazingRuss> it solves a problem that isnt mine
[05:58] <AmazingRuss> windows lives in a vm and doesnt touch the internet on my machine
[05:58] <AmazingRuss> and it dont get updated either
[05:59] <actinic> still running 98, eh?
[05:59] <orient2000> I can see the list file but I do not understand bottom commands. How I edit it in nano?
[05:59] <AmazingRuss> sometimes I poke it with a stick and giggle
[05:59] <AmazingRuss> know how to get a termina screen up?
[06:00] <AmazingRuss> terminal that is
[06:00] <actinic> start > run > console or somethin?
[06:00] <AmazingRuss> konsole
[06:01] <AmazingRuss> we're not good spellers
[06:01] <actinic> u got dat rite
[06:01] <larson9999> oomph: hey, i don't think that is the one i used.  i think i used the one without the knx.  not that the knx won't work.
[06:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> al bi rajt bak
[06:02] <orient2000> I am in console and in nano but I can not type or anything.
[06:02] <actinic> orient2000: don't use nano
[06:02] <AmazingRuss> hit ctrlc
[06:02] <actinic> nano is good if you're not running X
[06:02] <AmazingRuss> tryin to get him sudoed
[06:02] <Frederick> wich is the command for solve deps in debian? I'm lazy I know
[06:02] <orient2000> ok  be it sudoed.
[06:02] <AmazingRuss> ok..try this...once you are out of nano.....type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <AmazingRuss> more civilized i guess
[06:03] <actinic> otherwise try: or kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <actinic> scratch the 'or'
[06:03] <AmazingRuss> kwrite is the tool of satan!
[06:03] <actinic> at kate is his whore!
[06:04] <actinic> lol
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> :P
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> zealot
[06:04] <orient2000> sudoed  /etc/apt/sources.list  ? command not found.
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> nope...like this
[06:04] <AmazingRuss> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:04] <larson9999> holy smokes! i bought these metal soldier figures from a yard sale for $1 and it looks like they'll bring $200+ on ebay
[06:05] <larson9999> or use the best editor, xe!
[06:05] <larson9999> :)
[06:05] <AmazingRuss> infidel!
[06:05] <actinic> no, vi :)
[06:05] <AmazingRuss> freak!
[06:05] <AmazingRuss> vi makes the baby Jesus cry
[06:05] <oomph> i made it
[06:05] <oomph> got the beer with a minute to spare
[06:06] <actinic> ok orient2000, how you doin?
[06:06] <orient2000> I did sudo ed I am in and do not see anything how to quit with no changes?
[06:06] <larson9999> vi is fine.  but seriously, if you're in a shop with mainframe converts, give xe a try.  they'll be much happier that with vi.  and the price is right.
[06:06] <actinic> just close the window
[06:06] <AmazingRuss> ctrl d
[06:06] <AmazingRuss> you help him...im confusing the situation :)
[06:07] <actinic> you certainly are :)
[06:07] <actinic> poor guy
[06:07] <orient2000> OK I am out I go for sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:07] <AmazingRuss> even though my way is obviously better
[06:07] <actinic> talkin of freaks!
[06:07] <AmazingRuss> good call orient
[06:08] <AmazingRuss> freaks make the world go round
[06:08] <actinic> that's what he gets running automatix .... hehe
[06:08] <AmazingRuss> there is a gigantic freak treadmill at the center of the earth
[06:08] <actinic> yes, occupied mainly by gentoo users
[06:08] <AmazingRuss> hehe
[06:08] <actinic> :)
[06:08] <actinic> still doin stage 1 installs
[06:09] <actinic> going around in circles
[06:09] <AmazingRuss> their gigantic brains all a-throb
[06:09] <larson9999> i was going to install gentoo, then i found out there is less to compile if you run LFS
[06:09] <actinic> really?
[06:09] <actinic> but you start from .... um, scratch
[06:10] <actinic> yeah, that's the ticket
[06:10] <larson9999> actinic: just a little joke
[06:10] <AmazingRuss> i've thought about it...would be a very educational experience
[06:10] <actinic> sorry, slow tonight :)
[06:10] <AmazingRuss> like the time i put my tongue on a street sign in winter
[06:10] <actinic> closest I came was installing Arch
[06:11] <Mez> actinic - use bzr instead :P
[06:11] <actinic> yikes!
[06:11] <larson9999> i did install linux from scratch. in 2000 or 2001 i think.  maybe 2002.  took me forever to get just a basic system setup.
[06:11] <s0v3r1gn> hey Im having trouble mounting my additional Hard drives
[06:12] <AmazingRuss> maybe if you bought them flowers first
[06:12] <Mez> s0v3r1gn, what trouble (and why the l337 - it makes my eyes hurt)
[06:12] <AmazingRuss> talked to them a bit
[06:12] <actinic> s0v3r1gn: fdisk -l baby!
[06:12] <AmazingRuss> lol
[06:12] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> when using java alternative command , what file should be used from jre5 to set as default?
[06:12] <s0v3r1gn> I dont buy flowers for my mounts, they buy my flouers
[06:12] <actinic> show us what ya got!
[06:12] <touchisha> better nick?
[06:13] <AmazingRuss> yes...refined, yet subtly oriental
[06:13] <orient2000> I am fine now. Thanks. I knew I screw up with this last line. I need to learn more about editing programs.
[06:13] <AmazingRuss> right on
[06:13] <touchisha> same meaning, japanese
[06:13] <actinic> even with Russ' help huh?
[06:13] <actinic> congrats
[06:13] <larson9999> i like the l33t nick better
[06:13] <AmazingRuss> kate saved the day!
[06:14] <actinic> that who.. :)
[06:14] <orient2000> I have some errors. Maybe somebody could take a look? Where can I paste it? I never did it before.
[06:14] <actinic> !pastebin
[06:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:14] <AmazingRuss> kwrite would have resulted in system annihilation
[06:14] <Mez> !tell orient2000 about pastebin
[06:14] <actinic> how 'bout kedit.  ok?
[06:15] <touchisha> so Im pretty new to linux... cough...  so um I cant get my 2 extra HDDs to mount right. any idea?
[06:15] <actinic> hey Mez i'm 3 lines ahead of ya :)
[06:15] <larson9999> good night
[06:15] <AmazingRuss> know what device/partition your drives are?
[06:15] <actinic> see ya
[06:15] <actinic> brb
[06:15] <AmazingRuss> lie /dev/hda1 or somesuch?
[06:15] <Mez> actinic, cept I use the nbice version
[06:15] <AmazingRuss> er..like
[06:15] <touchisha>   /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdd1
[06:16] <mebsd> shlt how can i stop opera's builtin torrent client, it sux
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> ok...got a directory named /mnt?
[06:16] <touchisha> have them mounted to /mnt/hd1 and /mnt/hd2
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> k...whats the problem?
[06:16] <touchisha> but cant view the contents
[06:16] <Mez> touchisha, if they're mounted whats the problem ?
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> prolly rights
[06:16] <AmazingRuss> go to a terminal and do sudo -s
[06:17] <AmazingRuss> then try to look at em
[06:17] <touchisha> I tried to add them to fstab and they didnt mount on boot, have to mount manually
[06:17] <AmazingRuss> what is one of the fstab entries?
[06:18] <touchisha> ... /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd1        ntfs    noauto,user,owner 0 0
[06:18] <Mez> touchisha, what filetype are they ?
[06:18] <touchisha> ntfs
[06:18] <Mez> touchisha, ntfs = read only in linux
[06:18] <AmazingRuss> the noauto maybe?
[06:18] <Mez> it's not safe to write to them
[06:18] <touchisha> crap
[06:18] <AmazingRuss> ntfs is the file system of satan!
[06:18] <touchisha> still cant see the files as user
[06:19] <AmazingRuss> but you can as root?
[06:19] <touchisha> hurm cant after reboot
[06:19] <orient2000> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17519 some strange errors. Any good advise what could it be?
[06:19] <SpAwN> touchisha: if u write to a ntfs partion u will serverly corrupt it and the data on it
[06:19] <AmazingRuss> try mount /mnt/hdb1
[06:20] <AmazingRuss> shoudl pick it up from fstab
[06:20] <touchisha> says it cant mount it
[06:20] <Mez> touchisha, you need to like - set the user it mounts as
[06:20] <Mez> you only using a one user system ?
[06:20] <touchisha> bah they are mounted now under some tmp folder
[06:20] <touchisha> yea
[06:21] <Mez> touchisha, one sec lemme look something up
[06:21] <touchisha> k
[06:21] <AmazingRuss> I think thats normal
[06:21] <touchisha> I unmounted it from the /tmp/ and remounted it to /mnt/hd1/ cant see files
[06:22] <touchisha> wait there they are
[06:22] <AmazingRuss> orient...does that for me too.  I don't worry about it cuz kate runs ok
[06:23] <Mez> touchisha, paste your fstab line for it
[06:23] <touchisha>   /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hd1        ntfs    noauto,user,owner 0 0
[06:24] <Mez> change it to
[06:24] <Mez> actually
[06:24] <Mez> do you know the user id of your user
[06:24] <touchisha> no
[06:24] <orient2000> I am not worry too much about it. Kate runs fine and everything is OK. I think I have these errors after installing java and perl. Thanks.
[06:24] <Mez> ok
[06:24] <Mez> do this:
[06:24] <Mez> sudo grep username /etc/passwd
[06:25] <Mez> (where username is replaced by the username of your user)
[06:25] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[06:25] <AmazingRuss> i think you need to symlink it
[06:25] <touchisha> ok
[06:26] <AmazingRuss> well, I've spread enough disinformation for one night...farewell!
[06:26] <Mez> paste that line to me (it wont containt a password)
[06:26] <touchisha> so I get "touchisha:x:1000:1000:Joshua Ferguson,,,:/home/touchisha:/bin/bash"
[06:26] <Mez> ok
[06:26] <Mez> thats simple
[06:26] <Mez> your  current fstab line is
[06:26] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd1 ntfs noauto,user,owner 0 0
[06:27] <Mez> change it to
[06:27] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd1 ntfs noauto,user,owner,uid=1000 0 0
[06:27] <Mez> sorry - change it to
[06:27] <moparisthebest> does anyone know how to share files on a local network?
[06:28] <Mez> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hd1 ntfs auto,user,uid=1000 0 0
[06:28] <moparisthebest> when i right click the file and click sharing, it only lets me click a button that says configure sharing
[06:28] <Mez> moparisthebest, depends on how you want to share it
[06:28] <moparisthebest> then i type in the root password, and a window comes up with everything greyed out, i can only click ok or cancel
[06:28] <moparisthebest> just so i can access the file from my laptop Mez
[06:28] <touchisha> ok ill reboot and brb =p
[06:30] <Mez> moparisthebest, windows laptop ?
[06:30] <moparisthebest> yes
[06:30] <moparisthebest> is that possible?
[06:31] <Mez> yeah
[06:31] <Mez> sudo apt-get install samba
[06:31] <Mez> is your first step
[06:33] <touchisha> woot that worked
[06:33] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[06:33] <touchisha> thanks
[06:34] <moparisthebest> ok Mez i think i got it, booting up the laptop right now :)
[06:34] <Mez> touchisha - no problem - had the same thing myself
[06:35] <Mez> moparisthebest, you need to share it and stuff - but it should all be sorted now
[06:35] <Mez> make sure you set samba up with the right workgroup
[06:37] <moparisthebest> ok Mez i got it shared and everything, and I can see it from the windows laptop in the right workgroup
[06:37] <moparisthebest> but it wants a username and password to connect
[06:38] <moparisthebest> ive tried my username and pass and also root, but niether one works
[06:38] <Mez> ok - you need to open kcontrol ...
[06:38] <moparisthebest> ok
[06:38] <Mez> and in there there are network settings or something similar - and then theres like - a samba section
[06:38] <Mez> look in there
[06:38] <Mez> and tell me what you see (or send a screenshot to imageshack)
[06:40] <moparisthebest> should it be set to simple sharing or advanced sharing?
[06:40] <moparisthebest> and the samba section your talking about is different for each folder shared right?
[06:40] <Mez> no theres a like - thing to set it up
[06:40] <Mez> I think it's in advanced
[06:40] <Mez> I cant remember
[06:41] <Mez> can you send a screenshot of it to imageshack.us
[06:41] <Mez> and then I can se
[06:41] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[06:41] <orient2000> I am in adept. What does it mean complet update?
[06:43] <ABACVS> lo all
[06:49] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> orient2000: means it just installed all the ipdates
[06:50] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> ABACVS: lo
[06:56] <ABACVS> ...just got done installing kubuntu, needless to say I'm a n00b to linux in general.  I have two hard drives in my compy and while I was running knoppix, the drive was detected and mounted, 'cept kubuntu is seeing it, but not mounting it.
[06:56] <unix_infidel> arso_: where are you looking?
[06:57] <unix_infidel> erm ABACVS
[06:57] <ABACVS> I'm getting this error: "mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:57] <ABACVS> I have two questions... What does that mean, and how do I fix it >:(
[06:57] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: its looking for a partition by the name of hdb1, meaning the first partition on the slave disc.
[06:58] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: do cat /etc/mtab to see which partitions are mounted.
[06:59] <unix_infidel> and WHERE they are mounted...knoppix may have put them in /mnt but ubuntu might have put them in /media
[06:59] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the update-java-alternatives ?  i know where i installed jre but dont know how to make it default ,
[07:03] <unix_infidel> LOL, heat wave in london according to the BBC.
[07:03] <ABACVS> the last (and only line) with a reference to a hard drive says "/dev/hda5 /boot ext3 rw 0 0"
[07:03] <unix_infidel> when temps are about 70F for the last week.
[07:04] <ABACVS> *after running cat
[07:13] <ABACVS> ...so how do I get my slave drive to mount?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> With a Stirrup
[07:15] <ABACVS> ahh yes...  I should pick up some of those soon.
[07:15] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: you should read up on the naming conventions and how mount works.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> !mount
[07:16] <ubotu> Disks store lots of data. Partitioning: try gparted or qtparted  - Formatting: see the manpage for mkfs  - Mounting: system -> administration -> disks
[07:16] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: more pertinent though is figuring out which partition is which in relation to the linux naming schemes (eg: /dev/hdb1 vs. /dev/hdb2)
[07:16] <unix_infidel> oh yea, i forgot some people actually use gui's for this stuff.
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Someone should really change that :(
[07:17] <ABACVS> GUIs are for us Win and Mac converts.  Change is... traumatic.
[07:17] <unix_infidel> ABACVS: if you're a mac convert who hasnt figured out terminal yet you might as well be using vista beta
[07:18] <unix_infidel> first thing i fire up on my mac is audio production software, second thing is a couple of shells.
[07:22] <ABACVS> Oh no... I've managed to keep Mac from poisioning my home... except for iPod.
[07:24] <mebsd> where does pppoeconf script store the pppoe information?
[07:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> someone tell me how to set the sun java to default
[07:34] <ABACVS> ummm.. how do I get back to the prompt after using the man pages?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> q
[07:35] <ABACVS> damn.  I thought is was something simple like that.
[07:35] <ABACVS> thank you.
[07:36] <DaSkreech> back back forward forward up left punch
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Should finish it :)
[07:37] <ABACVS> I tried standing on my head and doing a kooky dance...  but the monitor just stared at me like always.
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Oh you can't face the monitor when doing that
[07:38] <ABACVS> ok.. so "q" and headstand + kooky dance -not facing monitor-
[07:38] <ABACVS> this "linux" thing...  who knew!?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah the monitor likes a bit of moon now and again
[07:39] <DaSkreech> well You can add a patch that will accept ballroom dancing :)
[07:40] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I have an update on cupsys, but it says that it can't update and I don't exactly know why.
[07:40] <ABACVS> I'm not too thrilled about the latest version of the ballroom dancing patch.
[07:42] <Ertain> Hmm, apparently the files haven't been uploaded, or I can't get them.  Strange.
[07:42] <DaSkreech> You use the source .. Erm Luke?
[07:42] <railk> has anyone else got problem installing the most recent updates?
[07:42] <Ertain> Right here.
[07:44] <railk> you also get "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break the packages" (from the adept updater)?
[07:45] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does anyone know where the update-alternatives config file is?
[07:46] <robotgeek> VieLGuS-KuTaS: should be in /etc/alternatives
[07:46] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> robotgeek: TY
[07:48] <Ertain> Crap, I don't have an /etc/alternatives.
[07:50] <robotgeek> Ertain: hmm, weird
[07:51] <Desh> How do I see how many monitors my laptop is set up to use?
[07:51] <Ertain> What are some of the alternatives, then?
[07:51] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> robotgeek: do u know how to specify a path for sudo update-alternatives --config java?  because it doesnt see my java install
[07:51] <Desh> B/c fglrx will not work and I think it is b/c it thinks I have 2 monitors since ATI Control Panel lets me adjust settings for 2 screens.
[07:52] <robotgeek> VieLGuS-KuTaS: don't have access to my machine right now, so maybe "man update-alternatives" might help
[08:00] <indieross> im haveing some screen resolution issues with ubuntu can anyone help me out
[08:00] <ABACVS> allright - I got the salve device to mount, moounted it to /dev/windows (It used to be my main compys heart - but I "upgraded" to a larger HD).  How do I tell if it's read-only?  I tried using all hte switches and stuff the kubuntu readme said, but it wasn't mounting.
[08:00] <indieross> it wont let me set it to 1280x1024
[08:00] <ABACVS> so I just used the regular mount command without all the extra parameters
[08:01] <ABACVS> nm
[08:01] <ABACVS> I found it.
[08:02] <Ertain> So I guess the official Ubuntu update servers aren't working?  How does one use an alternative server?
[08:03] <[Nige] > anyone been abple to get Mplayer working with kubuntu? pre8??
[08:05] <Ertain> I've been able to get Mplayer to work.
[08:05] <Ertain> Yep, seems to be working.
[08:06] <[Nige] > where you able to compile it. do you did you get a deb package?
[08:06] <Desh> How do I disable a 2nd monitor? In the system settings I can see a 2nd monitor options even tho I dont have one.
[08:08] <[Nige] > !mplayer
[08:08] <ubotu> No fonts in mplayer? Install mplayer fonts. Codecs: see !codecs
[08:10] <tobias_> Hello! I have problems with my Plextor SATA DVD under Dapper. Every 4 s I got a lot of error messages as long no DVD is in the drive.
[08:11] <Ertain> I got the Mplayer pack.
[08:15] <hhhjr> evening, can someone suggest a channel where a newbie can get some help? please
[08:15] <mebsd> #newbie
[08:15] <[Nige] > aptwhere did you get the mplayer pack?
[08:16] <charlene> any singaporean here
[08:17] <DaSkreech> charlene: O-T?
[08:17] <charlene> OT means?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> !offtopic
[08:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:19] <DaSkreech> In case this is an offtopic chat
[08:19] <charlene> ah....oh
[08:22] <hhhjr> Ok maybe someone can help me here, I am trying to install firefox in draper and it ask me to install the kubuntu draper 6.06 disk , and I did but it keeps telling me to install it. I tried to remove the reference undre the repository management but it comes back?
[08:22] <hhhjr> is there a way to get it to install from the web?
[08:24] <ABACVS> thanks evry1 for your help.  I'm gonna crash now.  It's time to sleep.  Better luck with Linux tomorrow.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: You need to enable your repos
[08:25] <DaSkreech> ABACVS: Night
[08:26] <hhhjr> ok I have tried but if I edit it it always reverts to the way it was first installed
[08:27] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: How are you editing them?
[08:27] <[Nige] > f@#$King mplayer
[08:27] <hhhjr> under adept  manage repositories
[08:29] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: So you click on them then click enable?
[08:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does anyone know how to change the directory in which the update-alternatives --config java looks for available java clients?
[08:30] <hhhjr> I have and also disabled and even tried to remove the cd repository but it goes back to the configuration it was
[08:31] <hhhjr> I cant even use the apt-get in a root terminal
[08:32] <hhhjr> well thanks amnyhow I am giving up for tonight
[08:35] <DaSkreech> hhhjr: can you open it in kate?
[08:37] <stoic_> no i can't
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Um
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Hi stoic_?
[08:38] <stoic_> hi
[08:39] <DaSkreech> Were you talking to me?
[08:39] <geneo91> need a little help with grub
[08:39] <stoic_> im not sure, i thought you where answering my question
[08:39] <geneo91> !grub
[08:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:40] <stoic_> well at either rate, would anyone know how to fix a partition problem with an external hard drive?
[08:40] <geneo91> maybe testdisk can fix it
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Whats the problem?
[08:41] <geneo91> DaSkreech:  what do you know about grub
[08:41] <DaSkreech> That it's tasty :)
[08:41] <geneo91> well leme explain this mess
[08:41] <stoic_> well actualy what happened was, i formatted my external hard drive with QTparted, and my computer does not recognize the device now
[08:42] <stoic_> and when i went into ect/fstab to change the format type, there was no trace of the device
[08:42] <DaSkreech> stoic_: ooer :( try Gparted instead? qtparted is a little less mature
[08:42] <DaSkreech> geneo91: Listening
[08:42] <stoic_> ok
[08:43] <geneo91> i have kubuntu on first drive second partition and installed it again on second drive 1st partition then installed mandriva but i cant get to kubuntu on second drive
[08:43] <stoic_> im using kde not gnome
[08:44] <DaSkreech> geneo91: ah man grub.conf and edit as needed
[08:44] <kkathman> geneo91: why so many installs?
[08:44] <DaSkreech> stoic_: You can still install it
[08:44] <kkathman> DaSkreech:  Im not sure that mandriva uses grub does it?
[08:44] <kkathman> I was pretty sure they still use lilo
[08:44] <geneo91> DaSkreech:  this one on first drive was from old machine
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Ah that would explain a bit wouldn't it?
[08:45] <lowtech> olilo is mandriva default, but it gives the choice of grub
[08:45] <kkathman> right, mandriva just overwrote the MBR
[08:45] <geneo91> and its not really for this motherboard
[08:45] <kkathman> so hopefully geneo91 made a copy of his grub lst and he can restore that
[08:46] <geneo91> be nice if it would do same as install some how
[08:46] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> ok , quick question , i installed the latest java jre, but i want to install it in a different directory , how do i remove the java i installed??
[08:46] <kkathman> geneo91:  well, you need to be much more careful on what a distro uses to boot
[08:47] <geneo91> kkathman:  what good would that do this machine doesn't have the 6 scsi drives
[08:47] <DaSkreech> VieLGuS-KuTaS: How did you install the first one?
[08:47] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> DaSkreech: i downloaded the java .bin package and run the installer
[08:48] <DaSkreech> ah.. erm I think they have an uninstall walkthrough in the readme for that
[08:48] <geneo91> !java
[08:48] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:49] <rockbelle> Hi, I can't connect to my wireless access point, but it works in Windows.  Does Kubuntu by default support wireless cards?
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Night all
[08:50] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> see u
[08:50] <rockbelle> Anyone?
[08:53] <raphink> very quiet this morning
[08:56] <rockbelle> Does anyone know about wireless support on kubuntu?
[08:57] <kkathman> geneo91: ??
[08:57] <blake> Hi
[08:58] <kkathman> geneo91:  you know that every time you install a distro, it writes an MBR right (in fact all OSs do)
[08:58] <geneo91> sorry was doing some reading
[08:58] <geneo91> kkathman:  yes i do
[08:59] <kkathman> well when you installed mandriva, it didnt recognize the other installs, and overwrote the MBR for itself, I reckon.
[08:59] <geneo91> i usually write grub to root but over looked it when i installed 2nd kubuntu
[09:00] <kkathman> its peculiar to mandriva...most other major distros can see those installs and write a grub listing for them
[09:00] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how can i get the sudo update-alternatives to rescan the folders for java installations?
[09:00] <kkathman> geneo91:  that wouldnt have made NO difference if you installed mandriva last
[09:00] <geneo91> yeah mandrive dont like other linux installs
[09:00] <kkathman> correct
[09:01] <geneo91> see the only way i'm able to get to kubuntu on first drive is because its is in root
[09:02] <kkathman> geneo91:  when you boot your system now, what comes up?
[09:02] <geneo91> but sawping to new machine was the difference
[09:02] <geneo91> lilo same as always
[09:02] <kkathman> yah I hate lilo
[09:03] <geneo91> kkathman:  i had 7 distros on the other machine
[09:03] <kkathman> seems excessive..but whatever
[09:04] <oomph_> can windows write to a linux file server running samba using the ext3 file system?
[09:04] <geneo91> any way i need to install grub in root of second drive
[09:04] <blake> grub is a pain :(
[09:05] <kkathman> on the contrary...grub is very easy and straighforward
[09:05] <kkathman> but geneo91 you need to get the grub on the MBR I think, if you want to get all the kubuntus back
[09:05] <geneo91> na
[09:06] <kkathman> ok whatever
[09:06] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> is there a way to edit sim links?
[09:06] <geneo91> just for second install then i will replace first with something else
[09:06] <centyx> hi. when i try to run firefox, I get an error beginning with the line "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 157." This just started happening, I'm not sure what's up.
[09:07] <centyx> kde applications give the same error, but launch anyway
[09:07] <centyx> if run from a terminal
[09:07] <blake> Why are Opaque windows biggy with Kubuntu? I've been having problems with them
[09:07] <blake> buggy*
[09:08] <geneo91> kkathman:  i went from dual p3 to dual p4 xeons
[09:11] <centyx> hm.
[09:11] <centyx> not much activity at this hour eh.
[09:12] <oomph_> :)
[09:12] <oomph_> can windows write to a linux file server running samba using the ext3 file system?
[09:13] <centyx> oomph_: over samba yes, and there is also an ext3 driver for windows too if you want to try that
[09:13] <centyx> I would go with the first
[09:13] <centyx> if that's possible
[09:13] <oomph_> nice
[09:13] <oomph_> what is the driver called?
[09:14] <oomph_> how about riserfs?
[09:14] <centyx> not sure
[09:14] <centyx> I've seen the driver used in some file manager program.. total commander? or something like that. some shareware prog. not sure if there's a standalone version or not.
[09:14] <oomph_> ok
[09:15] <oomph_> ill STFW
[09:15] <oomph_> for it
[09:15] <oomph_> thanks
[09:15] <centyx> np
[09:15] <centyx> i've got to quit X to try to fix this, bbiab
[09:16] <oomph_> k
[09:26] <centyx> is this error a bad sign? kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[09:27] <centyx> argh the default console resolution in kubuntu is terrible
[09:29] <oomph> anyone use webmin on kubuntu?
[09:31] <bimberi> nixternal: ping
[09:31] <nixternal> booyah bimberi
[09:31] <nixternal> i have been waiting for you
[09:31] <bimberi> nixternal: hi, i saw your hackergotchi question ...
[09:32] <nixternal> hehe ya
[09:32] <nixternal> i want to put one up for Ubuntu chicago
[09:32] <bimberi> nixternal: just add /+edithackergotchi to the url for team's launchpad page
[09:32] <nixternal> sweet
[09:32] <centyx> is it normal to not have an /etc/ld.so.conf?
[09:32] <nixternal> thanks a ton
[09:32] <bimberi> nixternal: np :)
[09:33] <nixternal> i owe you a beer if we ever meet ;)
[09:33] <geneo91> kkathman:  i got into it
[09:33] <centyx> bleh
[09:34] <bimberi> nixternal: done :)
[09:37] <touchisha> ok im back for more newbie questions
[09:37] <touchisha> i need to install the Nvidia 3d accelerator
[09:38] <touchisha> for that I need to change my run level
[09:38] <touchisha> or somethign like that
[09:46] <blondie_> hoola
[09:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:01] <cps1966> woot even got grub installed on second drive
[10:16] <fek> moin
[10:16] <uniq> hi.
[10:17] <Sakunix> *wave at all the wonderful people*
[10:17] <Sakunix> hi all
[10:18] <Sakunix> 228 people in channle and no hello
[10:18] <Sakunix> whats up here
[10:18] <jude> Hi all, I am new to linux and wonder if you could help me
[10:18] <Sakunix> jude: I can try my best
[10:18] <Sakunix> bit like blind leading the blind but
[10:19] <jude> just installed kbuntu on a mac but had to do the text install
[10:19] <Sakunix> I am relativly new to it too
[10:19] <serenity> hiho
[10:19] <jude> I can now startx but I would like it to boot straight to graphics and then log on, any ideas
[10:19] <Sakunix> no idea about mac and am currently installing Kubuntu myself for the first time ahaha
[10:19] <Sakunix> hmm
[10:20] <serenity> what will happen when you boot without cd?
[10:20] <jude> I think I need to amend one of the conf files but not sure which one
[10:20] <jude> the install is fine
[10:20] <Sakunix> there is options in the guis control panel to have a gui login aint there?
[10:20] <jude> I am in it now but when I log out it returns to text
[10:20] <chunLaptop> hellllo
[10:21] <Sakunix> there is an option somewhere to change that I have seen it
[10:21] <chunLaptop> yea there's auto logon is that what you're asking about?
[10:21] <Sakunix> not auto login
[10:22] <Sakunix> but starting the xserver then loging in
[10:22] <jude> chunLaptop: \i would like it to boot up in graphic mode and then log in as a user
[10:22] <Sakunix> I understand what you want to do jude but I dont have the knowledge to give you a solution
[10:22] <komputer> hii
[10:23] <komputer> hi
[10:23] <serenity> hmmm...graphical logon ist done by gdm
[10:23] <jude> Sakunix: many thanks, perhaps the others may have an idea
[10:23] <serenity> hi
[10:23] <chunLaptop> it doesn't boot into graphic mode when it boots up?
[10:23] <komputer> hai serenity
[10:23] <jude> no it is in text mode untill I startx
[10:23] <jude> after I have logged in
[10:24] <Fira> hi
[10:24] <jude> hi
[10:24] <uniq> jude:
[10:24] <jude> uniq: yes?
[10:24] <uniq> jude: try 'sudo apt-get install kdm;dpkg-reconfigure kdm'
[10:25] <chunLaptop> well, if you go into system settings and click on user management, goto the convienience tab, enable Auto-Login    that will log you in when you type startx i think
[10:25] <jude> uniq: I have installed KDM and it appears
[10:25] <uniq> jude: but?
[10:25] <jude> fine just not able to select it on logon
[10:26] <jude> as it boots straight to gnome
[10:26] <uniq> jude: i don't follow. KDM should start when you start your computer.
[10:26] <uniq> ah..
[10:26] <uniq> GDM starts instead of KDM?
[10:27] <chunLaptop> you purposely made it boot to console jude?
[10:27] <jude> it may be because I did the text install. I could not do the graphic install on the mac as the graphics went blank each time
[10:27] <jude> it was the default install for the alternative install cd
[10:28] <uniq> jude: does it boot to console, or does it boot to GNOME?
[10:28] <jude> it boots to console
[10:28] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> can someone please help me set the default java
[10:28] <chunLaptop> you can edit an rc file to make it autoboot into graphical, err forgot which rc file -_-
[10:28] <uniq> jude: ok, is KDM installed?
[10:29] <jude> yes
[10:31] <uniq> jude: and you want KDM to start when you boot?
[10:31] <jude> yes so Others can log in graphically
[10:32] <uniq> jude: ok, try, 'update-rc.d kdm defaults;dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm'
[10:33] <jude> 2 secs
[10:34] <Fira> hallo
[10:34] <jude> what is the run as cmd
[10:34] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> doesn anyone know how to set the sun java as default when the alternative doesnt see it?
[10:34] <uniq> jude: sudo
[10:34] <jude> uniq: ta
[10:35] <uniq> jude: 'sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults;sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm'
[10:36] <jude> it says kdm not installed....starange used synaptic to install it
[10:38] <jude> brb, just trying something
[10:39] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> doesn anyone know how to use the cleartype fonts?
[10:44] <uniq> jude: try 'sudo apt-get install kdm'
[10:57] <RawSewage> how do you synch the clock
[10:57] <RawSewage> besides rebooting
[10:58] <RawSewage> nm
[10:58] <RawSewage> I figured it out
[11:35] <flaccid> like ubuntu, has kubuntu started including opera?
[11:35] <Lynoure> Hmmm
[11:36] <Lynoure> It seems much harder to install HP laserjet 1022 on kubuntu than it was on debian unstable.
[11:36] <cristiano> hello people how to tell Realplayer to use USB headphone and not the main soundcard? even on the browser plugin
[11:36] <aeon17x> flaccid: nope, you still have to install it separately.
[11:37] <flaccid> ok cool
[11:37] <flaccid> well cool, but not cool!
[11:37] <flaccid> what is the default window manager for ubuntu anyway/
[11:38] <cristiano> flaccid: ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu kde
[11:39] <flaccid> damn
[11:39] <flaccid> so gnome ended up getting opera before kde, that sux
[11:39] <cristiano> IMHO firefox is better than opera
[11:40] <flaccid> opera 9 supports bit torrent and now has widgets
[11:40] <flaccid> yeah i use both
[11:40] <cristiano> lol
[11:41] <cristiano> maybe u'll find opera in the kubuntu repository too, i'll look for it
[11:42] <flaccid> k
[11:42] <Lynoure> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193258 makes me feel sad. Getting HP Laserjet 1022 to work in sarge took about 3min
[11:42] <cristiano> btw anyone to help me with the prob about realplayer?!?
[11:44] <cristiano> flaccid: no opera in the repos, sry
[11:44] <flaccid> npz
[11:45] <chunLaptop> firefox isn't better it crashes w/ the flash plugin in ubuntu ><
[11:46] <cristiano> chunLaptop: here i never had a crash with firefox and flash on kubuntu
[11:48] <liku> Hello.
[11:48] <Lynoure> What username&password does CUPS web interface expect in kubuntu? my username&password does not seem to work
[11:49] <Lynoure> hmm, nevermind, might have typoed twice
[11:49] <chunLaptop> only some flash sites, try logging into myspace and visiting a few people's sites
[11:49] <liku> I have a question: how to limit number of simultaneous downloads in apt-get?
[11:50] <ilmaurizio> i think it depends on how many sources u have in sources.list
[11:50] <chunLaptop> you mean adept, if you just use the apt-get tool in konsole it downloads sequentially
[11:51] <liku> chunLaptop: The problem is that it does - I have like 5 downloads right now.
[11:51] <Lynoure> nope... seems that it really does not want my normal username and password there. But what, then?
[11:51] <chunLaptop> you try root?
[11:52] <chunLaptop> most programs use root as the login name for admin stuff
[11:52] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: root has no password enabled
[11:52] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: I haven't change that ubuntu default
[11:54] <chunLaptop> are you accessing cups web interface?  you should try printers in system settings
[11:55] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: I tried that first, but the printer didn't end up printing
[11:56] <chunLaptop> i think you have to add a root password to use the cups admin interface, i usually do that on my clarkconnect linux server
[11:57] <ville> hello..
[11:57] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: Wizard claims the file was sent to the interface, but nothing happened (and yes, test page from printer's test page button did print and cables are connected)
[11:57] <ville> how can I burn an image in run lvl 2?
[11:58] <ville> -.-
[11:59] <chunLaptop> 2 is bash prompt right? i think command's cdrecord
[12:00] <chunLaptop> printer webpage test button you mean?
[12:00] <chunLaptop> <Lyn
[12:01] <ville> chunLatop But how can I burn with cdrecord
[12:01] <ville> that's the prob
[12:01] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: No, didn't get that far on the web side because of the password thing
[12:02] <ville> sorry dc
[12:02] <cristiano> damn guys i need to know how to tell apps which sound device they should use, pls!!!!!
[12:02] <ville> so what should I type to burn the image?
[12:02] <whiskous> Hey all. I just tried to install Kubuntu but how do i make it install in the free 5gb space that i got on my HDD ?
[12:04] <chunLaptop> not sure Lyn, i remember having a similar problem and checking linuxprinting.org to get it working
[12:04] <railk> ville: cdrecord dev=/dev/... image.iso (i think)
[12:04] <railk> the ... is of course the device...
[12:04] <ville> railk thanks
[12:04] <whiskous> hello?
[12:04] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: I remember it taking all 3 minutes in debian sarge. So I'm getting a bit disappointed in ease of Kubuntu :(
[12:05] <railk> ville: you could try man cdrecord....
[12:05] <ville> railk it says no write mode specified
[12:05] <railk> check the man
[12:05] <ville> what?
[12:06] <railk> enter "man cdrecord" ...
[12:06] <ville> o
[12:06] <Lynoure> hmm ubuntu has older hplip...
[12:06] <chunLaptop> yea i know what you mean Lyn, this distro isn't as refined as it claims to be =X but it's one of the more popular right now
[12:06] <railk> you need to specify something like -sao or -tao i think
[12:06] <railk> or -dao
[12:06] <whiskous> How do i make Kubunty install on the free 5gb disp space on my HDD? The remaining 4 partitions; sda1,2,3,4 are Windows while sda-1 is free space. I selected it but then i have to choose where to mount it and i only hAve sda1,2,3,4 and NOT sda-1 which is th<
[12:06] <whiskous> Kubuntu*
[12:06] <Lynoure> chunLaptop: popularity does not make it any better... quire the other way around :)
[12:08] <whiskous> Hello ? :S
[12:08] <chunLaptop> yes i totally agree, i didn't say this was the best, i use it because i know there is a forum like this where i can ask and give help =p
[12:09] <ville> omg..
[12:09] <railk> ?
[12:09] <ville> it just whines something
[12:09] <ville> so much text
[12:09] <cristiano> so no clue about how to tell my apps which sound device to use?
[12:10] <whiskous> damn
[12:10] <whiskous> will someone please answer my question?
[12:10] <ville> why cant these linuxes be simple..
[12:10] <railk> cristiano: sound device? or sound engine?
[12:10] <chunLaptop> oh hey cristiano, you mean like to use digital output?
[12:10] <ville> and those manuals.. lol I cant understand anything
[12:10] <railk> lol
[12:11] <railk> what the heck is wrong with the updater? ....
[12:11] <cristiano> chunLaptop: i mean: i have a soundcard and a USB headphone set, how can i tell my apps (like flightgear, realplayer and so on) to use USB instead of the soundcard?
[12:12] <ville> argh
[12:12] <ville> c'mon someone
[12:12] <ville> tell me exactly what do I have to type to burn that
[12:12] <ville> image
[12:12] <chunLaptop> usb headphone? so it is its own soundcard?
[12:12] <cristiano> yep but i have also the onboard AC97 soundcard
[12:12] <Lynoure> Is there a hplip 0.9.9 (or possibly newer) available fore ubuntu somewhere, or do I need to take my chances with the debian package or compiling my own?
[12:13] <cristiano> and it seems like all my apps (which don't have a sound conf tool) use the AC97 instead of USB headphone
[12:13] <ville> .....
[12:13] <ville> simple problem but no answers
[12:14] <railk> yeah y'know i'm kinda used to using some gui for burning discs...
[12:14] <chunLaptop> cristiano> google for using two soundcards in linux,  oh yea check if your usb sound card is working too
[12:15] <ville> railk, yea I kinda would use too if I could get that gui somehow
[12:15] <Whisky`> How do i make Kubunty install on the free 5gb disp space on my HDD? The remaining 4 partitions; sda1,2,3,4 are Windows while sda-1 is free space. I selected it but then i have to choose where to mount it and i only hAve sda1,2,3,4 and NOT sda-1 which is the free space
[12:15] <ville> Im tryin to burn newer version
[12:15] <Whisky`> meh
[12:15] <ville> I have some oldie
[12:15] <Whisky`> anyone willing to answer?
[12:16] <chunLaptop> Lyn>if it's not on the repository, i'd try to find an ubuntu 6.06 package, if not then source
[12:16] <railk> hmm ville, your cdrecord might still use dev=0,0,0 or similar... start by running cdrecord -scanbus
[12:16] <cristiano> chunLaptop: usb is working well coz i can hear system sounds, the problem is that some apps don't use them too!
[12:16] <Whisky`> you guys suck
[12:16] <ville> railk, then what?
[12:17] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: sda1,2,3,4 are windows sda1 is free? huh?
[12:17] <railk> what is the X,X,X of your burner?
[12:17] <Whisky`> like, wtf, ive been asking for the last 15 minutes and no ones answering
[12:17] <Whisky`> gatekeeper: SDA-1 .... it has a -
[12:17] <chunLaptop> whisky, what's your free partitions?
[12:17] <ville> it doesnt say anything about that
[12:17] <Whisky`> sda-1
[12:18] <railk> ville: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/readme/30 , section 2
[12:18] <ville> I cant open browser..
[12:18] <railk> apt-get links
[12:18] <ville> o
[12:18] <railk> or elinks
[12:18] <Whisky`> ahh screw it
[12:18] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: use the installer, when it comes to partitioning select manual partition put ext3 on sda-1 etc etc
[12:18] <railk> apt-get install* :P
[12:19] <ville> railk I cant because dpkg has some probs
[12:19] <ville> it just freezes
[12:19] <chunLaptop> well take that partition and delete it splitting it into something like 3 gig for /, 1 gig for swap, 1 gig for /home
[12:19] <railk> yours has too?
[12:19] <railk> gah
[12:19] <ville> I cant do anything
[12:19] <railk> well then
[12:19] <ville> If I could just burn that cd I could reinstall
[12:19] <railk> what do you get when you run sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[12:19] <ville> the same thing
[12:19] <railk> some list of devices?
[12:19] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: no point losing your temper doesn't impress people
[12:19] <ville> *WARNING* you're running linux 2.5 etc
[12:19] <Whisky`> It says, Select the partition you want to use for your new instalaton and where you want to mount each of them. and all it gives me is the choice of sda1,2,3,4 and NOT sda-1.
[12:20] <ville> no device lists
[12:20] <chunLaptop> man whisky i'm a slow typer, just trying to help
[12:20] <Whisky`> np
[12:21] <gatekeeper> chunLaptop: isn't sda1 == sda-1?
[12:21] <chunLaptop> that's not a standard name, it should just be in sda1,2,3,4
[12:21] <Whisky`> sda-1 is free space
[12:21] <chunLaptop> if it's on another hard drive it would be sdb1
[12:21] <ville> bah
[12:21] <railk> ville: i give up. no idea
[12:21] <ville> I'll install mandrake..
[12:21] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: I would go for that, if that is what it says :-)
[12:22] <railk> yeah
[12:22] <ville> then I dload that thing
[12:22] <ville> then I burn it
[12:22] <ville> ^
[12:22] <ville> ^
[12:22] <ville> damn keyboard
[12:22] <railk> lol
[12:22] <gatekeeper> Whisky`: make it a ext3 partition and march onward I would guess
[12:22] <Whisky`> i cant create it
[12:22] <Whisky`> ill just use windows
[12:22] <ville> damn that some friends of my lil brother
[12:23] <Whisky`> linux sucks, like alwas
[12:23] <Whisky`> :)
[12:23] <ville> fukin freeks
[12:23] <Whisky`> byeee
[12:23] <Whisky`> thanks
[12:23] <chunLaptop> damn it
[12:23] <ville> that one speaks to him self
[12:23] <ville> and screams like a retard
[12:23] <ville> ..........
[12:23] <ville> -_-
[12:23] <ville> I'll install mdk now
[12:23] <ville> cyas for now
[12:24] <gatekeeper> ville: agree ttfn
[12:24] <railk> cya ville
[12:24] <chunLaptop> hey ville, use a live CD
[12:24] <ville> I have a live cd actually
[12:24] <ville> what do I do with that?
[12:24] <railk> boot from it
[12:24] <ville> ok wait up
[12:24] <railk> put it in drive, reboot :P
[12:24] <chunLaptop> there's a boot parameter toram ? i think it's called
[12:25] <gatekeeper> ville: need to go into bios to make CD first thing to boot from
[12:25] <chunLaptop> google it,  but yea if you load to ram, then you can use your CD drive
[12:25] <railk> he cant google
[12:25] <railk> aint got no text-mode browser installed
[12:25] <railk> and dpkg isn't working for him either...
[12:26] <railk> (as it isn't for me atm...)
[12:26] <chunLaptop> oh lynx or links doesn't come default ><
[12:26] <railk> indeed
[12:27] <railk> O_O its working...
[12:27] <chunLaptop> well it should actuallly give you the options when you boot to the CD presss F1 for help
[12:27] <xanax`> hello
[12:27] <railk> lo
[12:28] <codeRat> hi, I want to install netbeans...where should I install it?I'm new to kubuntu and don't know where is the best place to put it..
[12:30] <codeRat>  /opt ?
[12:30] <fridolin5879> hello
[12:33] <Villelol> ok
[12:33] <Villelol> now Im on live
[12:34] <Villelol> anyone her?
[12:34] <Villelol> here*
[12:34] <chunLaptop> ok ville, can you eject the CD?
[12:34] <Villelol> how do I mount that hd in this live?
[12:34] <Villelol> chunlaptop, no :|
[12:34] <Villelol> shiat
[12:34] <Villelol> ok that's it..
[12:35] <chunLaptop> that's what the toRAM was for, unless you have 2 cd drives?
[12:35] <Villelol> toRAM?
[12:35] <chunLaptop> how many cd drives do you have?
[12:35] <Villelol> 1
[12:35] <chunLaptop> and you want to burn to a CD?
[12:36] <D4m4ge> hello all
[12:36] <Villelol> yeap
[12:36] <Villelol> image
[12:36] <Villelol> isnt there any way to store that live cd in to ram?
[12:36] <chunLaptop> yes
[12:36] <chunLaptop> that's what i was saying toram
[12:36] <Villelol> what is it?
[12:36] <chunLaptop> i think you probably left the channel while i said that =p
[12:36] <Villelol> yea
[12:37] <Villelol> what is toram?
[12:37] <Villelol> well.. wait up
[12:37] <chunLaptop> it's a boot parameter,
[12:38] <Villelol> I have 786Mb ram is it enough to use toram?
[12:39] <Villelol> I cant find anything from google
[12:39] <Villelol> no faqs about toram
[12:39] <chunLaptop> i haven't tried it w/ this distro, but it should be
[12:40] <Villelol> how can I use it
[12:41] <Villelol> anyone know?
[12:41] <chunLaptop> i'm not sure if they have it w/ kubuntu live cd, but
[12:41] <chunLaptop> what you do is when you restart
[12:42] <chunLaptop> and it gives you a few seconds to press something,
[12:42] <chunLaptop> there's usually a F1 for help screen that shows up how to use toram and other boot parameters
[12:43] <zorglu1> chunLaptop: what is toram ?
[12:43] <SonicChao> This is probably stupid question...I run multiple sessions, (Ubuntu, installed 'kubuntu-desktop') and why in the world does Konversation and GIMP open when I boot to KDE?
[12:43] <zorglu1> SonicChao: likely because you had them open when you quitted the last kde session
[12:44] <SonicChao> zorglu1: That makes a difference in KDE?...........hm.............
[12:45] <chunLaptop> zorglu, some distros can load their livecd to their ram w/ a boot parameter called toram
[12:45] <Villelol> chunlaptop so I reboot and just press f1
[12:45] <zorglu1> chunLaptop: ah ok. thanks for the info
[12:46] <chunLaptop> yea i think so ville, it should say something like F1 Help or something
[12:46] <chunLaptop> and i'm not sure that this distro has toram or not! ><
[12:46] <Villelol> ok ^
[12:46] <Villelol> I'll try
[12:46] <Villelol> brb
[12:48] <zorglu1> i am installing windowxp on a kubuntu via qemu... crossing finger :)
[12:48] <zorglu1> it would be so nice :)
[12:49] <BazziR> zorglu1 if that doesnt work try vmware server
[12:50] <chunLaptop> we have windows running in vmware at my university runs ok~ kinda slo no 3d accel
[12:51] <zorglu1> well i dont want to spend money :)
[12:51] <BazziR> you can enable 3d acceleration though
[12:51] <BazziR> zorglu1, vmware server is free
[12:51] <zorglu1> BazziR: oh i try to get this info from their web site but i couldnt go thru all the buzzwords
[12:52] <BazziR> zorglu1: Products -> FREE Virtualization -> VMWare Server there you go
[12:52] <BazziR> if you'd like to try it anyway
[12:52] <zorglu1> ok thanks
[12:56] <chunLaptop> ok i'm going to sleep, gooodnight
[12:57] <gatekeeper> goodnight
[12:58] <chunLaptop> if ville comes back and it doesn't work, just tell him to use the live cd, connect to his homenetwork, or a thumbdrive and transfer whatever image he has to it
[12:59] <chunLaptop> that's to whoever's awaaake =p
[12:59] <railk> huh, who? ;)
[01:14] <sensei> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.3+seriouslythistime-0ubuntu3 [67.7kB] 
[01:14] <sensei> Heh, nice package name
[01:14] <sensei> Or, build, w/e
[01:17] <ville-pekka> okies I installed the mandreka
[01:17] <ville-pekka> mandrake|
[01:17] <ville-pekka> damn it
[01:17] <zorglu1> damn, the marketing done during the window installation is better than linux one
[01:17] <ville-pekka> american keyboard layout -.-
[01:18] <luca_b> zorglu1: I don't know if it would be feasible to display any using the livecd install
[01:18] <zorglu1> luca_b: why not ?
[01:18] <ville-pekka> ';
[01:18] <ville-pekka> god damn it
[01:18] <ville-pekka> no scandinavian letters -,-
[01:18] <ville-pekka> bah
[01:19] <luca_b> zorglu1: Well, I think it would clutter more, (personal opinion)
[01:19] <railk> you coulda chosen the kb layout sometime probably, ville-pekka
[01:19] <zorglu1> luca_b: those are only simple text. the point is more how they are written. very user oriented. 'work anytime, anywhere' 'music and entertainment just got better'
[01:19] <ville-pekka> railk it chosed this layout when I chose the language for this Os I think
[01:19] <railk> ah
[01:19] <ville-pekka> I couldnt choose it by my self
[01:19] <ville-pekka> the layout
[01:20] <railk> its the kind of distro that doesn't seperate language and kb layout... annoying
[01:20] <zorglu1> luca_b: a lot more sexy than 'installing vnc server' and 'amarok now use last.fm stream' :)
[01:20] <ville-pekka> I took american/english lang even though I could've chosed the finnish
[01:20] <luca_b> zorglu1: You are right. Anyone knows how long is the livecd install procedure?
[01:20] <railk> ville-pekka: which desktop manager are you using?
[01:20] <luca_b> it *is* on topic, but I also think all that marketing blurb stays on a lot because win install can be slow
[01:20] <zorglu1> luca_b: nope. what is the relation with anything ?
[01:20] <ville-pekka> desktop manageR_
[01:21] <ville-pekka> ?
[01:21] <ville-pekka> Im on gnome now
[01:21] <luca_b> zorglu1: because of the time needed for install I mean
[01:21] <railk> meh dunno how to change the layout in gnome
[01:21] <railk> but i'm sure its possible
[01:22] <zorglu1> luca_b: well this is a time when the user doesnt do anything but waiting in front of the screen. seems like a good time to present the os to him
[01:22] <railk> .. somewhere, somehow
[01:22] <ville-pekka> ubuntu,kubuntu or debian_ >D
[01:22] <zorglu1> luca_b: ok got your point.
[01:22] <ville-pekka> aasdf just ignore those strange marks..
[01:22] <railk> lol
[01:22] <zorglu1> luca_b: so maybe a slideshow/presentation runnable just after the install. my idea is their presentation of the OS to new users is nice
[01:22] <luca_b> zorglu1: yeah it's a good idea
[01:23] <ville-pekka> I\ll take kubuntu I like kde )D
[01:23] <luca_b> zorglu1: Mandriva used to have something like that when you started fersh
[01:23] <railk> zorglu1: the presentation is already on the cd, it's under examlpes or something on the livecd..
[01:23] <railk> it just needs to get presented
[01:23] <railk> "just"
[01:23] <zorglu1> railk: yep like a icon directly on the desktop. "presentation to new users"
[01:24] <zorglu1> well suggestion from 10000miles here :)
[01:24] <railk> it could be even more intrusive than that
[01:24] <RawSewage> how do you install KOffice
[01:24] <luca_b> railk: like a window that opens up at first login?
[01:24] <railk> if it would be force-fed during the boring bits of the installer that would be useful
[01:24] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install koffice  ?
[01:24] <railk> RawSewage: probably..
[01:25] <ville-pekka> um.. does dvd/rw\s boot _
[01:25] <railk> ?
[01:26] <luca_b> ville-pekka: well, they should
[01:26] <ville-pekka> or can i only boot from cd/r
[01:26] <railk> they should boot..
[01:26] <ville-pekka> kk
[01:26] <ville-pekka> I\ll try
[01:26] <luca_b> ville-pekka: I did several boot-ups from DV
[01:26] <Howitzer> All of a sudden, the ~/.kde/Autostart function doesn't do it anymore :/
[01:26] <railk> quite a few ditros are available on bootable DVD
[01:26] <ville-pekka> yea but I have dvd/rw
[01:26] <luca_b> Howitzer: How come?
[01:26] <railk> so?
[01:26] <ville-pekka> does it need to be dvd/r_
[01:27] <ville-pekka> if I remember right debian didnt boot from cd/rw
[01:27] <Howitzer> luca_b, you tell me :s
[01:27] <railk> meh well FC5 booted from my laptop's DVD+-RW...
[01:27] <luca_b> Howitzer: what do you have on autostart?
[01:27] <railk> but dunno bout ubuntu and stuff
[01:27] <Howitzer> yakuake, 2 superkaramba themes en knotes
[01:27] <Howitzer> in .desktop format
[01:27] <Howitzer> they did it fine yesterday
[01:28] <luca_b> hmm
[01:28] <luca_b> Howitzer: did you try to reproduce it?
[01:28] <Howitzer> i installed some packages relating Xen and i installed some icons and themes
[01:28] <Howitzer> how do you mean reproduce?
[01:28] <luca_b> Howitzer: I mean, logging out and back in? Did you see it more than once?
[01:29] <BoSJo> All: So where can i find all my settings for programs like Konversation, Konqueror, Kmail, Kopete etc.
[01:29] <Howitzer> just tried it, nothing
[01:29] <Howitzer> BoSJo, in the Settings menu-bar :)
[01:29] <BoSJo> Howitzer: he he, i meant for transferring it to another PC :-)
[01:30] <luca_b> Howitzer: Odd indeed.... to workaround, you may want to start clean, start the programs you want, and save the session
[01:30] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:30] <luca_b> Howitzer: (I don't use autostart anymore because I have a session saved)
[01:30] <Howitzer> oh
[01:30] <Howitzer> i thought of that
[01:30] <railk> BoSJo: probably in ~, in lots of hidden folders...
[01:31] <luca_b> BoSJo: they're all in .kde/ usually
[01:31] <Howitzer> but i often have lots of programs still on when needing to do a fast shutdown
[01:31] <railk> fine then...
[01:31] <tomyssj4ever> Hy ,please give me the link that explains how to update safely to dapper
[01:31] <Howitzer> yes, BoSJo, ~/.kde/apps i think
[01:31] <BoSJo> Ok, thanks Ill give it a go :-)
[01:31] <railk> ~/.kde/share/apps
[01:32] <railk> cd ..
[01:32] <railk> oops
[01:32] <Howitzer> tomyssj4ever
[01:32] <Howitzer> sudo apt-get update
[01:32] <Howitzer> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:32] <luca_b> Howitzer: I think he means also updating the sources changing references to dapper
[01:32] <luca_b> from breezy
[01:33] <Howitzer> isn't that done automaticly?
[01:33] <luca_b> well
[01:33] <luca_b> Howitzer: not sure, I think you have to change them by hand or in adept
[01:34] <luca_b> I prefer command line so I just edited them with vi
[01:34] <Howitzer> vi
[01:34] <Howitzer> i love vim :x
[01:34] <luca_b> I can tell there are some problems to look for when dist-upgrading (seen in 2 upgrades)
[01:34] <Howitzer> i discovered it yesterday
[01:34] <luca_b> Howitzer: me too heh
[01:35] <Howitzer> eek
[01:35] <luca_b> I use the command line and related tools a lot more since I almost left windows
[01:35] <Howitzer> brb
[01:39] <Howitzer> i'll never eat greasy things for breakfast :'(
[01:39] <luca_b> Howitzer: you'd better avoid them indeed
[01:50] <k> hI.
[01:50] <sensei> hl.
[01:51] <k> Question. How do I change my display name in Kopete?
[01:54] <k> nm
[01:57] <ninHer> hi all
[01:59] <Kwukki> hi
[01:59] <zorglu1> boyouoyouy tierd of waiting
[01:59] <zorglu1> hi all
[01:59] <ninHer> Kwukki: hello
[01:59] <dune> How can I change the open office theme to the one with the gradient?
[02:01] <k> Question. How do I change my display name in Kopete?
[02:03] <railk> k: you click on the icon for each account at the lower right and change it somewhere in the properties
[02:03] <Bizzeh> hey
[02:03] <railk> hi
[02:03] <Bizzeh> what would i have to change this line to, to get 1280x1024
[02:03] <Bizzeh> modeline  "1024x768@60" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync
[02:04] <railk> Bizzeh: just a guess, you need to replace the 1024x768 with 1280x1024 and add 1280 before the second 1024 and 1024 before the second 768...
[02:05] <railk> i.e. "1280x1024@60" 65.0 1280 1024 1048 1184 1344 1024 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync ... or something like that... just a guess
[02:06] <zorglu1> WOW! i think got window :)
[02:07] <railk> zorglu1: so, how is it after 10 years?
[02:07] <zorglu1> more colorfull :)
[02:07] <railk> lol
[02:08] <railk> that probably goes for all the OSs...
[02:08] <zorglu1> yep, current kde is way more colorfull than motif was :)
[02:10] <k> heh :-)
[02:10] <ubuntu> hi guys
[02:11] <r0xz> hi ubuntu
[02:11] <ubuntu> i have a problem with my installer i want to setup my kubuntu on hdb but the installer only let mit install on hda
[02:12] <kubuntu-installe> how can i get root privilegs under the install live cd?
[02:12] <D4m4ge> kubuntu-installe to edit a file?
[02:13] <k> Is there a mail client included in Kubuntu?
[02:13] <kubuntu-installe> D4m4ge: i want to mount a win partition
[02:13] <kubuntu-installe> k, install mozilla-thunderbird
[02:13] <D4m4ge> kubuntu-installe just sudo mount then
[02:13] <kubuntu-installe> D4m4ge: the livecd want a password :)
[02:13] <D4m4ge> oO
[02:13] <D4m4ge> never happened to me
[02:14] <Hobbsee> k: kmail, yes
[02:14] <k> kubuntu-installe: you sure?
[02:14] <r0xz> k: kmail and thunderbird rules
[02:14] <fek> !root
[02:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:14] <k> Hobbsee: is it included? as in bundled
[02:14] <D4m4ge> k yes it is
[02:14] <Hobbsee> k: yes
[02:14] <fek> kubuntu-installe: follow the page
[02:14] <k> Hobbsee: why dont i see it in the menu?
[02:15] <k> Hobbsee: i mean K menu
[02:15] <Hobbsee> k: ah, open up kontact
[02:15] <Hobbsee> and it should be there
[02:15] <k> ok
[02:16] <kubuntu-installe> oh i was wrong, i dont need a password ^^
[02:16] <D4m4ge> k as long as you dont say "start menu" :p ...
[02:16] <k> Cool :P
[02:20] <luca_b> does anyone know of a good antispam solution that works in kmail with IMAP?
[02:21] <luca_b> bogofilter completely messed up my inboxes
[02:22] <sensei> luca_b: Tried isbg ?
[02:23] <sensei> spamassassin imap enabled
[02:23] <luca_b> sensei: I've never heard of it until now
[02:23] <pinkman> Hello
[02:23] <cpt> hi
[02:23] <pinkman> Whats the differnece between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:23] <sensei> Okay, I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard success stories about it
[02:23] <sensei> http://www.rogerbinns.com/isbg/
[02:23] <k> pinkman:
[02:23] <cpt> how can i download win32 codecs for my ubuntu?
[02:23] <k> !kubuntu
[02:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <k> !ubuntu
[02:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[02:23] <cpt> im newbie
[02:24] <zorglu1> !restrictedformat
[02:24] <ubotu> I know nothing about restrictedformat
[02:24] <k> pinkman: Ubuntu uses Gnome
[02:24] <cpt> how can i download win32 codecs for my ubuntu?
[02:24] <luca_b> sensei: oh, now I remember about isbg, thanks
[02:24] <sensei> cpt: Repeating won't get you anywhere
[02:24] <sensei> no luca_b
[02:24] <zorglu1> cpt, google for 'ubuntu restricted format' it will give you a page for this
[02:24] <cpt> plz help me
[02:24] <k> zorglu1: no:
[02:25] <k> !restricted
[02:25] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:25] <pinkman> whats kubuntu use?
[02:25] <sensei> cpt: Depends on your player I guess.. You can grab the package for mplayer on www.mplayerhq.hu and put it in /usr/lib/win32 and just go
[02:25] <k> zorglu1: therrre is a factoid for us to use
[02:25] <zorglu1> k, well my solution worked too :)
[02:25] <kubuntu-installe> sensei:  can't i install win32codecs with apt-get?
[02:25] <k> pinkman: the bot told you... KDE
[02:25] <sensei> Dunno, I didn't
[02:26] <sensei> But most likely someone's made a repo of it..
[02:26] <luca_b> kubuntu-installe: yes if you have the right repository
[02:26] <luca_b> PLF and seveas repositories have the win32codecs I believe
[02:26] <kubuntu-installe> luca_b:  ok, i come from gentoo ;). i only install kubuntu for my parents
[02:27] <pinkman> x_x' So whats better lol? Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[02:27] <kubuntu-installe> xubuntu ;)
[02:27] <pinkman> whats that?
[02:27] <pinkman> -.-
[02:28] <k> pinkman: neither is better. boot the 2 of them up
[02:28] <luca_b> pinkman: all a matter of choice
[02:28] <zorglu1> pinkman: up to you to choose. personnaly i prefere kubuntu. but it is only my choise
[02:28] <k> pinkman: try them
[02:28] <kubuntu-installe> reboot ^^
[02:28] <zorglu1> pinkman: live cd are good to try stuff
[02:28] <pinkman> guess ill google xubuntu not sure what it is though
[02:28] <Bizzeh> is there any way of mounting MTP (P4S) devices in 6.06?
[02:28] <pinkman> do you know a good cd bootable burner for ubuntu?
[02:29] <k> pinkman: get the 2 livecds and burn & boot them
[02:29] <omeow> How do I share my printer on Kubuntu? I have a windows client that needs to be able to print to it.
[02:29] <pinkman> I need a bootable cd burner for ubuntu
[02:29] <luca_b> pinkman: under which OS?
[02:29] <sensei> pinkman: cdrecord
[02:30] <k> pinkman: try them. personally, i use both of them on dualboot
[02:30] <pinkman> ?
[02:30] <pinkman> is there anyway to install them without a CD?
[02:30] <k> pinkman: ?
[02:30] <k> pinkman: what do you mean?
[02:30] <sensei> $2 on cds is a fortune ;)
[02:31] <luca_b> pinkman: if you want a live-CD like environment (i.e. seeing without installing), no
[02:31] <pinkman> Lol.
[02:31] <Bizzeh> sensei: when you dont have the $2 it is
[02:31] <k> pinkman: order both CDs from shipit
[02:31] <pinkman> I am out of CD's atm. Hmm, no way around it then?
[02:31] <pinkman> Ey.
[02:31] <Bizzeh> and when the closest place to get them is 2 towns away, its not just $2, its what it costs you to get there and back too
[02:31] <pinkman> Ill burn some. When I get my CD"s
[02:31] <zorglu1> pinkman: you can download the CD iso on window and run it thru qemu
[02:31] <andrisp> hello all, how can i configure konqueror to show preview in icons only for image files, not text etc ?
[02:32] <k> pinkman: no, buy your CDs
[02:32] <k> pinkman: order, I mean
[02:32] <pinkman> Um.
[02:32] <sensei> Bizzeh: Boo hoo
[02:32] <k> pinkman: shipit.kubuntu.com
[02:32] <pinkman> you can download the CD iso on window and run it thru qemu
[02:32] <k> it is FREE to order the cds
[02:32] <pinkman> how to do that?
[02:32] <pinkman> lol
[02:32] <pinkman> shipping is free?
[02:32] <luca_b> pinkman: yes
[02:32] <k> pinkman: right
[02:32] <pinkman> im 14, dont got money
[02:32] <Bizzeh> sensei: thats one of the standard responces for someone who has  just been proven wrong and cant think of a whitty comeback
[02:32] <pinkman> =.=
[02:33] <sensei> Bizzeh: Yeah
[02:33] <SonicChao> pinkman: only distro that does free shipping. :)
[02:33] <luca_b> pinkman: takes a few weeks but free
[02:33] <pinkman> x_x'
[02:33] <k> pinkman: but it takes 4 to 6 weeks to get the CDs shipped
[02:33] <sensei> I change my mind.. $2 is a fortune. You win
[02:33] <pinkman> I dont feel like waiting a few weeks
[02:33] <Bizzeh> sensei: its not just $2
[02:33] <SonicChao> pinkman: but it sends via snail mail, so it takes 3-6 weeks
[02:33] <pinkman> "you can download the CD iso on window and run it thru qemu" Whats this all about?
[02:33] <k> pinkman: well, i patiently waited :-)
[02:33] <SonicChao> pinkman: I ordered in April and haven't got anything yet
[02:34] <k> pinkman: link to the page
[02:34] <k> SonicChao: you will
[02:34] <luca_b> pinkman: quemu is a virtualization environment i.e. it basically emulates another computr on your own
[02:34] <snikker> how can i send a broadcast messages to the others client pc (with windows) on the lan?
[02:34] <k> luca_b: emulation
[02:34] <sensei> Bizzeh: True.. he may live in a farm so his parents *never* have to go to the big scary city and buy anything and pick up 2 cds on the way, surely.. You win again. I regret my statement from the bottom of my heart.
[02:34] <k> luca_b: virtualization and emulation aree not synonymous
[02:34] <pinkman> where can i download qemu?
[02:34] <zorglu1> pinkman: http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/
[02:34] <pinkman> ill just go with that.
[02:34] <Bizzeh> also
[02:34] <luca_b> k: Yeah, my bad
[02:35] <Bizzeh> cd's are only cheap if you buy a  pack of 25
[02:35] <Bizzeh> or 50
[02:35] <Bizzeh> ot 100
[02:35] <k> pinkman: provide a link to the page where it mentioned qemu
[02:35] <Bizzeh> if you just get 1
[02:35] <Bizzeh> they are still expencive
[02:35] <pinkman> ?
[02:35] <sensei> Eh, where in the uk do you live if you pay more than $1 for a cd ? o.O
[02:35] <pinkman> Someone on here, said that I could download iso, and run with qemu or something.
[02:36] <k> pinkman: who
[02:36] <pinkman> instead of burning to cd, and booting it?
[02:36] <pinkman> I dont know.
[02:36] <Bizzeh> for 1 cd on its own, 1.50
[02:36] <pinkman> Some random red text. :P
[02:36] <k> eh?
[02:36] <Bizzeh> for a pack of 25, 3 quid
[02:36] <Bizzeh> so
[02:36] <k> pinkman: there must have been a nickame
[02:36] <zorglu1> pinkman: i did, and yes you can :)
[02:36] <luca_b> pinkman: it can be a viable option, a friend of mine has done that somewhat
[02:36] <sensei> Bizzeh: My local tobacco vendor sells them for 50p each
[02:36] <k> pinkman: qemu, being a emulator, will be very slow
[02:37] <Bizzeh> thats in your area
[02:37] <pinkman> Hm.
[02:37] <k> sensei: erm? pound??/
[02:37] <sensei> k, yes
[02:37] <pinkman> Ill just stick with ubuntu for now
[02:37] <pinkman> until I get a cD
[02:37] <k> sensei: isnt that equalivent to a dollar
[02:37] <luca_b> k: Aren't there any VMware player images for kubuntu 6.06?
[02:37] <sensei> k, never said it was
[02:37] <k> sensei: i'm asking you!
[02:37] <zorglu1> ehhe
[02:37] <sensei> k, but pinkman is american, that's why I said dollar to begin with
[02:37] <zorglu1> k you can relax
[02:37] <zorglu1> enjoy the day :)
[02:38] <sensei> k, ok.. no it isn't :)
[02:38] <pinkman> sappose Ill leave :P Good day
[02:38] <k> sensei: is it conceptually the same thing as a cent, or a dollar?
[02:39] <sensei> Yeah.. a pence is like your cents
[02:39] <sensei> 100 pence is 1 pound
[02:39] <k> sensei: so... 50 dollars ...
[02:39] <k> sensei: thats expensive
[02:40] <sensei> No, p is pence :)
[02:40] <Howitzer> i'm using swiftfox which is untarred into my home dir.
[02:40] <k> ................
[02:40] <sensei> 50 pence.. half a pound
[02:40] <k> sensei: cheap now :-)
[02:40] <Howitzer> I'd like to use flash on it but installing it trough apt doesn't work
[02:40] <k> sensei: things suddenly get cheap :P
[02:40] <sensei> K, yeah :) Last time I checked, I think a pound is 1.85 USD
[02:41] <k> sensei: heh :-)
[02:41] <luca_b> Howitzer: you could symlink
[02:41] <luca_b> from the firefox dir
[02:41] <luca_b> I mean,
[02:41] <Howitzer> damn
[02:42] <Howitzer> just did an apt-get remove --purge firefox :/
[02:42] <k> heh
[02:42] <Howitzer> ooh wait
[02:42] <Howitzer> i can do it manually via the flash tar
[02:42] <luca_b> yep
[02:42] <Howitzer> just need to copy 2 files to the plugins dir
[02:42] <Howitzer> okay
[02:42] <Howitzer> yippie
[02:42] <Howitzer> finally youtube
[02:42] <Howitzer> but didn't they release flash 8 for Linux?
[02:43] <Howitzer> i read it somewhere
[02:43] <zorglu1> nope they wont
[02:43] <luca_b> Howitzer: no, Adobe said they'd be SKIPPING 8
[02:43] <luca_b> and going straight to 9
[02:43] <sensei> Wasn't it 8.5 they're going for ?
[02:43] <zorglu1> i hear 8.4 :)
[02:43] <luca_b> IMO, Flash is horrible, even though widely used
[02:43] <zorglu1> ok lets bet :)
[02:43] <larson9999> luca_b: first they said they'd be going straight to 8.5.  now it looks like it might be straight to 10.
[02:43] <sensei> http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2005/12/why_isnt_there.cfm
[02:44] <sensei> We can probably find links that supports all theories tho :P
[02:44] <Howitzer> i can't play any teagames.com games because of that >:(
[02:44] <larson9999> i think the shift happened when adobe bought them.  i think we should just boycott flash sites
[02:45] <luca_b> larson9999: I already do, somewhat
[02:45] <Howitzer> btw, have any of you read that blogpost about the downfall of Ubuntu because they set up a commercial repository? (for Opera and the likes)
[02:45] <zorglu1> mouaoua :)
[02:45] <sensei> Bah.. fundamentalists
[02:45] <luca_b> Howitzer: nope, I didn't even know there was a repository like that, though I read about Opera 9
[02:45] <sensei> "That's not Linuxish!!" .. No, but it fscking works..
[02:46] <Howitzer> indeed sensei
[02:46] <Howitzer> you can't live on on something that isn't fit for the future
[02:46] <Howitzer> although it sucks deeply
[02:46] <zorglu1> the dogme commitee of lixisher said so !!! :)
[02:46] <Howitzer> http://opensource.apress.com/article/44/opera-makes-ubuntu-sing-a-sad-song
[02:46] <zorglu1> autoproclamed obviouly :)
[02:46] <Howitzer> that blog :)
[02:47] <vijay> hi all, just now i installed kubuntu, how to install gnome desktop from cd?? help??
[02:47] <luca_b> Howitzer: it didn't make the mainstream news sites luckily
[02:47] <sensei> "root is evil" "I can't read the code, hence it sucks" "*Gasp* look at the license! I can't redistribute it"
[02:47] <zorglu1> but nothing less than the future of Ubuntu is at stake. <- dramatisation mode on :)
[02:47] <sensei> Just how many here would actually poke around in operas source and redistribute it? Or any other software for that matter..
[02:47] <Howitzer> you can always redistribute it
[02:47] <Howitzer> just need permission then
[02:47] <zorglu1> the world may be in jeopardy
[02:47] <sensei> Howitzer: That wasn't opera specific
[02:47] <sensei> Just general ranting :)
[02:47] <Howitzer> i mean, i believe 10% of the Linux crowd actually needs the source
[02:48] <luca_b> Howitzer: if you work in academia it's always better to have the source IMO
[02:48] <sensei> 10%? :O
[02:48] <Howitzer> c'mon
[02:48] <Howitzer> it's the reason why Ubuntu and Suse are here
[02:48] <sensei> That people needs the source? :)
[02:49] <Howitzer> no
[02:49] <Howitzer> that most people don't want it
[02:49] <zorglu1> and really it is real bad to make the life of the user easier... by putting a repotisory.  stuff they can get thru the web but harder
[02:49] <zorglu1> wow real bad :)
[02:49] <Howitzer> indeed
[02:50] <sensei> From the blog "But this isnt about software. Its about politics.".. I'm close to actually lol:ing for real
[02:50] <luca_b> well, I don't mind as the core is still free
[02:50] <luca_b> (as in freedom)
[02:50] <vijay> hi all, just now i installed kubuntu, how to install gnome desktop from cd??, i am unable to do it from synaptic
[02:50] <luca_b> vijay: it does not fit on CD, you need to download it off the internet
[02:51] <Howitzer> vijay, do you have another live cd with gnome on it?
[02:51] <vijay> luca_b:but last time (in breezy) i installed it from cd only
[02:51] <vijay> Howitzer:yes
[02:51] <Howitzer> vijay, they changed the installation way
[02:51] <Howitzer> i tried it too
[02:51] <sensei> That blog post is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.. and I'm not saying that to defend ubuntu..
[02:52] <vijay> Howitzer:how to do it?
[02:52] <Howitzer> you can't
[02:52] <Howitzer> you need to install ubuntu-desktop over the internet via 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[02:52] <Howitzer> or you download the 'alternate installation cd' which still has the text-based installation method
[02:53] <Howitzer> and which you can use as a repository for the ubuntu-desktop
[02:53] <Howitzer> man, my typing skills have improved :x
[02:53] <vijay> Howitzer:ok thank you
[02:53] <Howitzer> ,p :)
[02:53] <larson9999> as long as they don't go the mandriva route where they try to make it look like you have to pay even though you don't.
[02:54] <Howitzer> huh
[02:54] <Howitzer> as long as they don't offer ANY form of payment unless it's for corporate support
[02:54] <Howitzer> but they won't do that
[02:54] <Howitzer> they need the image of Ubuntu to be completely free
[02:55] <larson9999> howitzer i just leave it at as they don't offer ANY form of payment. i switched for that very reason.  i'd likely go to debian if so.
[02:55] <sensei> Personally I believe that kubuntu has boomed because it's so damn simple, not that it's so damn hippie
[02:55] <luca_b> larson9999: I used to be a silver member on MDV
[02:55] <larson9999> Howitzer: yeah, the site says it always will be.
[02:56] <Howitzer> sensei, do you mean ubuntu aswell?
[02:56] <sensei> Howitzer: Yes
[02:56] <luca_b> larson9999: The support was good, the distro was good even, but the company was totally irrational
[02:56] <Howitzer> i found kubuntu a bit harder at the beginning because i used ubuntu for 1 year
[02:56] <k> ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:56] <sensei> What's the difference?
[02:56] <Howitzer> things were handled differently
[02:56] <sensei> Any other than gnome vs. kde?
[02:57] <Howitzer> i thought there was
[02:57] <Howitzer> not sure now actually
[02:57] <Howitzer> KDE seems so more functional now
[02:57] <larson9999> luca_b: i paid once for standard to support the distro.  but i didn't see any benefit.  but what i couldn't stand was the site to download sure tries to muddy the waters when it comes to download the free version.  can't tell you how many newbies have looked at that site and didn't try mandriva because 'you had to pay'.
[02:57] <sensei> So what you mean is that you find gnome easier than KDE? ;)
[02:57] <Howitzer> yep
[02:58] <Howitzer> but once it comes to modifying things, gnome is just crap
[02:58] <Howitzer> you need to dig in the register-alike thing
[02:58] <luca_b> larson9999: I switched when they fired Gael Duval
[02:58] <vijay> Howitzer:another question, i reinstalled xp, how to install grub? can i use my breezy cd for this??
[02:58] <Howitzer> i think so vijay
[02:59] <vijay> Howitzer:ok
[02:59] <Howitzer> you'll need to go root and do "grub-install '(hd0,0)' "
[02:59] <larson9999> luca_b: i tried to switch a few times but i couldn't get anything before dapper to install on my main box with is a dual p3.
[02:59] <vijay> Howitzer:ok
[02:59] <mike> hi
[03:00] <Howitzer> vijay, check google to be 100% sure, i don't want to ruin your MBR :)
[03:00] <larson9999> vijay: don't have a 2nd hd to put that windows on?  things seem to be smooth that way
[03:00] <vijay> Howitzer:ok
[03:00] <luca_b> larson9999: first install was breezy on this laptop, now upgraded to dapper
[03:02] <omeow> How do I share my printer on Kubuntu?
[03:02] <larson9999> there's something appealing about a company that says it'll alway be free and ships cd to boot.
[03:02] <Howitzer> hell yes larson9999
[03:02] <sensei> omeow: Can't windows do IPP ?
[03:02] <Howitzer> i just love the fact i can order a nice cd with a nice cover
[03:02] <omeow> What's IPP, sensei?
[03:03] <luca_b> omeow: yes but it's a little complicated to set up
[03:03] <luca_b> er, not omeow, was directed to sensei
[03:03] <larson9999> sensei, omeow, yes it can
[03:03] <larson9999> sensei: works great here
[03:03] <luca_b> larson9999: I had my share of troubles trying to make a win2k box using IPP to see a CUPS printer on a linux box
[03:03] <sensei> larson9999: Ok, good to know
[03:03] <omeow> But what is it? :)
[03:04] <sensei> Internet Printing Protocol
[03:04] <omeow> internet printing protocol? =P
[03:04] <sensei> Set up CUPS
[03:04] <omeow> wow,  I guessed correctly.
[03:04] <sensei> And make it broadcast ipp
[03:04] <sensei> Can't help you with the windows part of it tho
[03:04] <omeow> Right, I can already print from this computer. But my brother's windows machine can't print on it.
[03:04] <omeow> I can't login to the cups thing though, my password doesn't work.
[03:05] <larson9999> luca_b: don't have win2k but with xp here is was a snap.  figuring out the port might be tricky but for this printer, the printer has a 'net test page' that you can print out with the info you need
[03:06] <larson9999> omeow: yeah, in unbuntu you have to modify groups to do that.  there is a site that talks about how.  google cups ubuntu and you should find it
[03:06] <omeow> My printer has an ipp address.
[03:06] <omeow> ipp://myhostname:631/printers/HP5652
[03:06] <larson9999> the one that talks about adding stuff to the shadow group is what that worked for me.
[03:06] <luca_b> omeow: yes, that's the URI for the printer
[03:07] <larson9999> omeow: you might need the port, too. for me it's port0, iirc
[03:08] <larson9999> omeow: in windows i don't need the myhostname.
[03:08] <lied> hello
[03:09] <edulix> hi
[03:09] <edulix> how can i configure kpowersave to use suspend2 (hibernate) when hibernating?
[03:10] <lied> i just install kubuntu. i have problems with my soundcard, what i have done: modprobe snd-cmipci (from lspci). under gentoo i had a tool called alsaconf, is this package available in kubuntu?
[03:11] <sensei> lied: Aparently it's obsoleted in ubuntu
[03:11] <luca_b> lied: One second, checking
[03:11] <omeow> larson9999: I dual boot this machine too, so it would be very nice if I could set up one printer on my clients and it wouldn't matter if I'm working on Windows or Linux. (so they don't first have to check what OS i'm using and then switch printers)
[03:12] <luca_b> omeow: What about as sharing it on samba with the same name?
[03:12] <omeow> Hm, I don't know how to do that. Let's see...
[03:12] <omeow> Samba isn't in my list of internet & network things.
[03:12] <ray79ct> hi to all
[03:13] <ray79ct> i'm italian
[03:13] <ray79ct> can u help me
[03:13] <luca_b> omeow: I did it the command line way on my print server, unsure if there's a point and click thing
[03:13] <omeow> Hello ray79ct from Italy. What's your question?
[03:13] <omeow> luca_b: urf. =/
[03:14] <lied> luca_b:  and is there such a command?
[03:14] <ray79ct> i  can't download from mirc
[03:14] <ray79ct> can u send me a file .. because xdcc i can't use :(
[03:14] <luca_b> lied: no, there is no package with it inside
[03:14] <luca_b> ray79ct: you mean the /dccserver command?
[03:15] <ray79ct> xdcc
[03:15] <omeow> luca_b: There's a samba configuration tool in kcontrol (not ubuntu's system configuration thing) going to see if I can set it up with that.
[03:15] <ray79ct> yeAH
[03:15] <ray79ct> omeo pls hlp me
[03:15] <luca_b> ray79ct: that's a mirc extension
[03:15] <luca_b> not much you can do with it in linux
[03:15] <ray79ct> yeah ..
[03:15] <ray79ct> when i go to overflow
[03:16] <ray79ct> i receive the file but download are blocked
[03:18] <luca_b> ray79ct: if you're using windows, this is the wrong channel though
[03:19] <luca_b> omeow: any luck with the samba configuration tool?
[03:20] <omeow> Yeah, I think i've got it configured properly. But I don't know how to start the service. There's no mention of it in the system services module. =/
[03:20] <ray79ct> ahahah
[03:20] <ray79ct> no windows
[03:20] <ray79ct> ubunto
[03:20] <ray79ct> but for me it's new
[03:20] <ray79ct> i think that u can hlp me
[03:21] <ray79ct> but i can't download :((
[03:21] <luca_b> omeow: sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[03:21] <omeow> Like I said, samba isn't listed.
[03:21] <luca_b> hmm
[03:21] <luca_b> omeow: sudo apt-get install samba-server
[03:21] <omeow> Hm, perhaps it's not installed. (but why would it give me configuration options for it, if it's not installed?)
[03:22] <luca_b> omeow: probably it writes a smb.conf regardless if the server is there or not (my guess)
[03:22] <omeow> samba-common is installed.
[03:23] <omeow> samba however, is not.
[03:23] <omeow> Although, the package description of samba-common talks of server and client files.
[03:23] <luca_b> omeow: probably they originate from the same source package
[03:23] <ray79ct> mmm...
[03:23] <ray79ct> what is Samba ?
[03:23] <omeow> It's a type of dance.
[03:24] <ray79ct> sorry but in Linux i'm ignorant ! :D
[03:24] <haejin> hi, i got a problem with apt and mldonkey, i pasted all here :http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?board=56.0
[03:24] <ray79ct> allicchici i baddi a to pa
[03:24] <ray79ct> yeah .. i don't like it :D
[03:24] <luca_b> ray79ct: aside the dance, it's the linux implementation of SMB protocol, used in windows file sharing
[03:25] <ray79ct> it's another problem .. i see ntfs partition but i can't enter there
[03:25] <luca_b> ray79ct: enter as in browse or write?
[03:25] <ray79ct> and in old windows partition i ve all document
[03:25] <ray79ct> in everymode
[03:25] <ray79ct> i can't enter ..
[03:25] <luca_b> it says "accesso negato"?
[03:25] <ray79ct> in the icon i se a lock
[03:25] <ray79ct> si
[03:25] <ray79ct> yes
[03:26] <Flosoft> hey
[03:26] <luca_b> ray79ct:  that IS a permission problem then
[03:26] <ray79ct> luca hlp auto
[03:26] <Flosoft> does Kubuntu support 2 screens? with extending them=
[03:26] <ray79ct> aiuto
[03:26] <luca_b> ray79ct: english please, and I'm trying
[03:26] <ray79ct> ok
[03:27] <luca_b> ray79ct: are you using Kubuntu or plain ubuntu?
[03:27] <ray79ct> luca_b ... how i can insert the pass to take all permission of administator and i'll can use old ntfs
[03:27] <ray79ct> ubuntu
[03:27] <ray79ct> :(
[03:27] <ray79ct> i'm real stupid in this os !
[03:27] <luca_b> ray79ct: look in the menu and open up the terminal program
[03:27] <Kwukki> hello
[03:28] <ray79ct> _Konsole ?
[03:28] <luca_b> ray79ct: yes
[03:28] <ray79ct> like prompt of shitty windoz
[03:28] <ray79ct> ok
[03:28] <ray79ct> now ?
[03:28] <Kwukki> nee
[03:28] <Kwukki> hij neemt het zlfs niet
[03:28] <luca_b> ray79ct:  paste this:
[03:28] <Kwukki> oeps
[03:29] <luca_b> ray79ct:  cat /proc/mounts | grep ntfs
[03:29] <luca_b> and
[03:29] <luca_b> paste the result here
[03:30] <ray79ct> nothing
[03:30] <luca_b> ray79ct: ok, let's do it differently
[03:30] <ray79ct> i'll paste the  command but nothin' compare
[03:30] <ray79ct> ok ..
[03:30] <Kwukki> hello
[03:30] <luca_b> ray79ct: open up "Impostazioni di sistema"
[03:31] <luca_b> ray79ct:  should be in the menu
[03:31] <Kwukki> can someone help me with samba and printer sharing?
[03:31] <ray79ct> i don't find
[03:31] <luca_b> Kwukki: what do you need?
[03:31] <ray79ct> in System - administrator ?
[03:32] <Kwukki> i have a win xp machine, with a hp psc 1213 printer
[03:32] <Kwukki> I can print to it from m ykubuntu machine
[03:32] <Kwukki> the printer starts, but then, when he have to take the paper, he stops.
[03:32] <luca_b> ray79ct: erm, I can't figure out which ubuntu flavor you have, and if you have ubuntu I know almost 0, I only use KDE
[03:33] <Kwukki> (srry for my bad english ;-))
[03:33] <luca_b> Kwukki: like it opens up and then stops?
[03:33] <Kwukki> yes
[03:33] <Kwukki> he starts, is preparing himself and then it halts
[03:33] <Kwukki> he's not trying to take a paper
[03:33] <luca_b> Kwukki: ok, got it
[03:33] <luca_b> Kwukki: open a terminal
[03:34] <Kwukki> yes
[03:34] <Kwukki> k
[03:34] <luca_b> Kwukki: then try printing, and after the printer stops do a " sudo tail /var/log/cups/error_log"
[03:34] <Kwukki> k
[03:35] <luca_b> it should print out some lines
[03:35] <ray79ct> :(
[03:35] <luca_b> see if you can find any reference to errors
[03:35] <luca_b> ray79ct: try asking on #ubuntu
[03:36] <haejin> hi, i got a problem with apt and mldonkey, i pasted all here :http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?board=56.0
[03:37] <coachJ> ok, i have a stupid question, How do I know if I have 3D video working?
[03:38] <luca_b> coachJ: open a terminal and do glxinfo | grep direct
[03:38] <luca_b> if it says "Direct rendering: Yes", 3D accel is working
[03:38] <coachJ> says NO
[03:39] <luca_b> coachJ: then somewhat it's not working, what video card do you have?
[03:39] <k> !ati
[03:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:39] <coachJ> asus 7000
[03:39] <k> !nvidia
[03:39] <coachJ> ati
[03:39] <k> see the URL above
[03:39] <coachJ> yea that is what got me doing this
[03:40] <coachJ> If I screw up will I lose the gui?
[03:40] <luca_b> be back later, got some vacuuming to do
[03:40] <Kwukki> E [08/Jul/2006:15:38:20 +0200]  CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
[03:40] <k> coachJ: well
[03:40] <k> coachJ: you can set it to vesa temporarily
[03:41] <coachJ> great!
[03:41] <k> coachJ: do "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:41] <coachJ> what will that do?
[03:42] <k> coachJ: ask you a series of configuration questions
[03:42] <k> coachJ: in a certain step, you'll get  a list of drivers. find vesa in the list. go to next
[03:42] <k> the next step*
[03:42] <coachJ> is this if I lose the GUI?
[03:43] <k> you won't lose the GUI
[03:43] <k> well, you will TEMPORARILY
[03:45] <k> after you answer the configuration questions, install the approopriate 3d graphics package
[03:45] <k> coachJ: there? ^^^^^^
[03:45] <coachJ> K> i appreciate your help but I am nt sure I wnat to get into this right now, just gathering info.
[03:45] <k> coachJ: the terminal is easy to use
[03:46] <k> get fimiliar with it. :-)
[03:46] <Kwukki> HELP
[03:47] <coachJ> I not afrid of it I just got back from the DR and jsut dont feel like getting all involved
[03:47] <Kwukki> 15 minutes ago i asked something
[03:47] <k> Kwukki: Ask.
[03:47] <ray79ct> luca ... ok
[03:47] <coachJ> thanks again I really appreciate the help
[03:47] <ray79ct> thks
[03:48] <Kwukki> I have a xp machine with a hp psc 1213
[03:49] <k> Kwukki: not a question yet...
[03:49] <Kwukki> i can print to it from kubuntu
[03:49] <Kwukki> but when he have to take the paper he halts :-s
[03:50] <lied> lol kubuntu is like windows, reboot and sound is working
[03:50] <shocktrooper1> hello.  "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display'
[03:51] <k> lied: no, it isnt
[03:51] <lied> k ;)
[03:53] <shocktrooper1> can someone please help me with this error?
[03:53] <lied> shocktrooper1:  did you tried XGL?
[03:53] <dr_willis> Kwukki,  you are saying it prints one pag4e then dont print any  more?
[03:53] <shocktrooper1> XGL?
[03:53] <Kwukki> no, it prints nothing
[03:54] <dr_willis> Kwukki,  you are using the latest Ubuntu  (Dapper) ?
[03:54] <Kwukki> when he have to take the first paper he halts
[03:54] <Kwukki> yes
[03:55] <dr_willis> could check the cups logs in /var/log/cups (i think) and see if any error emssages are shown)  You Did configure the printer using the Gnome-Printer tool?
[03:55] <Kwukki> with kde 3.5.3
[03:55] <Kwukki> no, kde
[03:55] <shocktrooper1> lied, could you be more specific?
[03:56] <Kwukki> maybe i have to run it as root?
[03:56] <k> lied: i ummm. he doesnt have it installed
[03:56] <k> shocktrooper1: do you have XGL?
[03:56] <shocktrooper1> I don't know.
[03:56] <dr_willis> You have to use the printer config tool and go to 'administratior' mode and thus enable root for the adding of a printer.
[03:57] <k> shocktrooper1: Do you rememberb installing a  "compiz" package?
[03:57] <dr_willis> i think thats how the kde tool does it.
[03:57] <shocktrooper1> k, no
[03:57] <k> dr_willis: ummm, no
[03:57] <k> shocktrooper1: Then you dont have XGL
[03:57] <k> shocktrooper1: Did you edit xorg.conf to enable 3D?
[03:57] <shocktrooper1> It shows the nvidia splash
[03:58] <k> shocktrooper1: that isn't an answer to my question
[03:58] <shocktrooper1> k, no.
[03:59] <k> shocktrooper1: Did you use "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" (exactly as typed)
[03:59] <shocktrooper1> yes
[03:59] <k> shocktrooper1: Did you restart X?
[03:59] <shocktrooper1> yes
[04:00] <k> shocktrooper1: OK, so you get that error after the nvidia splash screen shows.
[04:00] <shocktrooper1> k, yes.  in xorg.conf under "Module" there is no nvidia or nv
[04:01] <shocktrooper1> k should I just add 'Load  "nvidia"?
[04:01] <k> shocktrooper1: no......
[04:01] <shocktrooper1> ok
[04:02] <coachJ> K> one more question can I do this from System settings> display?
[04:02] <k> coachJ: Do what? Install the 3D driver?
[04:02] <coachJ> yes
[04:04] <lied> hm can someone help? sound is working with xmms. amarok is not working (xine with alsa as output)
[04:05] <k> no, you can't. Let me double check
[04:05] <coachJ> ok
[04:05] <k> coachJ: loading
[04:06] <lied> hm .wav is working but .mp3 not, with xmms i can play mp3 and wav
[04:06] <imbrandon> lied, then you need to install
[04:06] <shocktrooper1> k, would you like to see my xorg.conf?
[04:07] <k> coachJ: no, you can't. you can only change the driver
[04:07] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:07] <coachJ> ok
[04:07] <imbrandon> lied ^^
[04:07] <imbrandon> that will let amarok play mp3's
[04:07] <lied> :)
[04:07] <lied> that make sense ;)
[04:08] <coachJ> ill have to get the software for this chat on my windows machine do if I need help I can get it
[04:08] <imbrandon> coachJ, xchat works in windows ( if you need to )
[04:08] <NICMICHAEL> 
[04:08] <lied> NICMICHAEL:  yes your utf8 is working ;)
[04:09] <NICMICHAEL> 
[04:09] <k> coachJ: xchat, but the offivial version has gone shareware for win32. try silverex
[04:10] <k> coachJ: its free
[04:10] <omeow> !zh
[04:10] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[04:10] <coachJ> thks
[04:11] <NICMICHAEL> 
[04:13] <coachJ> installing
[04:14] <coachJ> how do I find this chat from my Xchat on windows?
[04:16] <Jeff_> k are you still here
[04:16] <sdolnack> can anyone recommend a good all-around guide for compiling and installing software from tarballs?
[04:16] <Jeff_> can someone talk me thu installing 3d drivers for my machine?
[04:17] <sdolnack> what card do you have
[04:17] <Jeff_> asus 7000 ati
[04:17] <Kwukki> i have the same, can someone help me too?
[04:18] <sdolnack> radeon 7000?
[04:18] <sdolnack> hold on, lemme see what i can do
[04:18] <Jeff_> yes
[04:19] <sdolnack> that's an old card isn't it
[04:19] <Kwukki> yes
[04:19] <Jeff_> yes
[04:20] <sdolnack> haha
[04:20] <Jeff_> 2 for the price of onw
[04:20] <Jeff_> one
[04:20] <sdolnack> is it a mobility radeon?
[04:21] <Jeff_> no tv out
[04:21] <raytray25> my system just lost all sound.. can someone help me?
[04:21] <raytray25> after restart there is still no sound
[04:21] <sdolnack> Jeff: are you using the latest driver?
[04:22] <sdolnack> or is that what you are having trouble with
[04:22] <sdolnack> oh wait nevermind
[04:22] <Jeff_> ? default driver i guess
[04:22] <Kwukki> is ther a driver for it?
[04:22] <Jeff_> the gui says "driver ati"
[04:22] <Kwukki> i thought that there was no driver fot the 7000
[04:22] <Jeff_> it runs 3d fine
[04:22] <Jeff_> 2d
[04:23] <sdolnack> fglrx doesn't support it
[04:23] <Jeff_> systems settins says fgrix ati card driver installed
[04:23] <Jeff_> dected i mean
[04:23] <sdolnack> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/radeon.4.html
[04:25] <Jeff_> lot there can you sumerize
[04:26] <sensei> Yeah, I'm tired today too.. I want you to do the work for me while I relax.. then you can just tell me.. is that ok sdolnack?
[04:26] <sdolnack> what?
[04:26] <Jeff_> very funny
[04:26] <sensei> Just bear in mind that I won't pay you
[04:26] <sensei> I do realise that you do this for free, but anyways
[04:27] <Jeff_> ok, ok i get the message, geezzz
[04:27] <sdolnack> anyhow
[04:27] <sdolnack> jeff: you should switch from the 'ati" driver to the "radeon" driver by modifying your xorg.conf file
[04:27] <Kwukki> pffff
[04:27] <Kwukki> kopete 0.12 is very buggy.
[04:28] <dr_willis> Life is buggy
[04:29] <coachJ> is this what Jeff shoud do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:31] <Jeff_> sdolnack--is this what I should do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[04:31] <sdolnack> not sure
[04:32] <Jeff_> ok
[04:32] <Jeff_> thks
[04:32] <sdolnack> i'd just post on the ubuntu forums
[04:32] <sdolnack> now in the meantime
[04:33] <Jeff_> yes
[04:33] <sdolnack> i'm looking for personal suggestions here: can anyone recommend a good all-around guide for compiling/installing tarballs?
[04:33] <Jeff_> yeah right
[04:34] <sdolnack> after upgrading to an i686 kernel (and most softwareon the repos seeming to be built for i386) it only seems logical to build stuff myself
[04:34] <shocktrooper1> hello.  "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display'
[04:35] <Jeff_> sdolnack--how long have you been using linux?
[04:36] <sdolnack> bout a month and a half or so
[04:36] <Jeff_> oh come ON!
[04:36] <sdolnack> oh come ON! what?
[04:36] <maltron> hi - my sound isn't working properly - it won't mix sounds from two different apps.  mplayer reports that /dev/dsp is busy and can't be opened.  This has happened after some wrangling when no sound would work at all, after skype beta mucked around with my system.  Try as i might i can't get it back.  Running dapper
[04:36] <maltron> any ideas?
[04:37] <Jeff_> you sound quite knowledgable
[04:37] <maltron> i've tried removing modules but some of them refuse to get removed
[04:37] <sensei> sdolnack: The performance gain is very slim when compiling manually
[04:37] <sdolnack> sensei: but as someone who's learning linux, it's an essential skill
[04:38] <sdolnack> besides, a lot of software just isn't available int he repos
[04:38] <sensei> sdolnack: True, I wasn't opposing you learning it ;)
[04:38] <sensei> http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Software/Compiling_Software.html
[04:40] <sdolnack> swiftfox ROOLZ!!!
[04:41] <sensei> sdolnack: For a shortcut, just search that page for "Installing from source is remark"
[04:41] <sensei> Although reading it all is good for understanding I suppose
[04:43] <sdolnack> wow--this is incredibly easy
[04:43] <sensei> With some prior basic know-how around computers, yeah, it's not that hard at all
[04:43] <sdolnack> whichi i have a great deal of
[04:43] <sensei> obviously
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> sdolnack: Try compiling mame from source
[04:46] <sdolnack> so sensei basically it's the same 5 steps for virtually every software program?
[04:46] <sdolnack> what are signatures for?
[04:46] <sdolnack> these asc files
[04:46] <sensei> sdolnack: Yes, basically
[04:46] <sensei> Sometime you may stumble upon perl makefiles etc.. but then it's usually well described in the INSTALL file
[04:47] <sensei> configure scripts usually has some options which you can access through --help which can help you do what you want
[04:47] <h3sp4wn> sometimes you need to use autoconf (If you are building something that is not in the repos - that is more likely)
[04:49] <sdolnack> sensei: the rule-of-thumb directory for installing 3rd party software is /usr/local, right?
[04:49] <sensei> sdolnack: Yeah, that's usually the default
[04:50] <sensei> So no need to --prefix everything there ;)
[04:50] <sdolnack> just --prefix=/usr/local? does it create a dir itself or do I have to mkdir every time
[04:51] <sensei> It creates
[04:51] <sdolnack> ace
[04:51] <sensei> But there's no need to do --prefix unless you want to install it in some odd place
[04:51] <sensei> Like if you don't have root access somwhere, you can use --prefix=/my/home/dir
[04:51] <sdolnack> i do
[04:52] <sdolnack> i am KINGz
[04:52] <sdolnack> wait--i thought you needed --prefix to install in /usr/local?
[04:52] <sensei> Nops
[04:52] <sdolnack> what do you do then
[04:52] <sensei> Nothing, it does that by default
[04:53] <sdolnack> o rly
[04:53] <sensei> Yeah, unless the creator of the Makefile has stated otherwise.. but there's usually no reason to do that
[04:54] <sensei> And you'll probably know by the time you hit one of those ;)
[04:54] <sdolnack> uh oh
[04:54] <sdolnack> configure: error: Unable to find libncurses or libcurses
[04:55] <sensei> If you look in the configure script, there should be a line like ac_default_prefix=/usr/local somewhere
[04:55] <sensei> Ok, install libncurses5-dev
[04:55] <sdolnack> but i have libncurses5 already
[04:55] <sensei> You'll probably need the -dev package since it's those that contains the header files etc.
[04:56] <Cntryboy> is there a codec pack I can download all in one for kaffeine
[04:56] <sdolnack> ahh
[04:56] <sdolnack> you know what
[04:56] <sdolnack> i bet it was coz i didnt' use sudo
[04:57] <sensei> Nops
[04:57] <sdolnack> no?
[04:57] <sensei> When running configure you mean ?
[04:57] <maltron> ok, now I'm a little annoyed
[04:57] <maltron> i've rebooted and now my sound is broken
[04:57] <maltron> what on earth is going on?
[04:57] <maltron> i know it serves me right for using skype beta, but I've got rid of that now
[04:58] <sensei> Cntryboy: I suppose you could try and download the 'all' package from ftp.mplayerhq.hu and place in /usr/lib/win32
[04:58] <maltron> so something must be corrupted, but whay?
[04:58] <sensei> or /usr/lib/codecs
[04:58] <maltron> what?
[04:58] <Cntryboy> is there a codec pack I can download all in one for kaffeine???
[04:58] <sensei> Cntryboy: Eeh ?
[04:59] <sdolnack> oh sensei what are asc's/signatures/keys for again?
[04:59] <sensei> sdolnack: Verifying things authority
[04:59] <abattoir> Cntryboy: [20:27:46]  <sensei> Cntryboy: I suppose you could try and download the 'all' package from ftp.mplayerhq.hu and place in /usr/lib/win32
[04:59] <Cntryboy> sensei: not an easier way?
[05:00] <Cntryboy> I'm lagging hard guys sorry..
[05:00] <sensei> Heh easier?
[05:00] <sensei> Than download and extract a file?
[05:00] <Cntryboy> but isn't there an easier way to do the codecs?
[05:01] <Snake[Sleep] > Anyone in here know anything about bugs? (The creatures) -- offtopic
[05:01] <sensei> Snake[Sleep] : I took advanced biology in high school? :)
[05:01] <Cntryboy> i mean like apt-get ?
[05:01] <sensei> Cntryboy: Probably there is.. I've never used it though.. But I bet someone's made a repo of them
[05:02] <sdolnack> sensei: like MD5's?   are they necessary?
[05:03] <sensei> sdolnack: Usually no.. They're basically there for automated processes to compare the downloaded file with the authors version
[05:03] <sensei> I never use them manually
[05:03] <Cntryboy> sensei: how could I find out? VlC is a buggy proggy
[05:03] <maltron> any idea what I can do about this: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy  ?
[05:04] <sensei> Cntryboy: It will probably take you longer to find out than it is to download a file from the Internet and extract it, unless anyone here knows about it
[05:04] <abattoir> Cntryboy: what sensei says is right... just click http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20060501.tar.bz2
[05:05] <abattoir> Cntryboy: save it on your desktop/home folder
[05:05] <Cntryboy> well do u know how to change icons in konqueror, to small list of files? only option I see is preview in, and it says image view or file view that file view is odd and retarded
[05:06] <abattoir> Cntryboy: View->View mode
[05:06] <abattoir> and choose what you want
[05:06] <sensei> maltron: kill whatever is using it? :)
[05:07] <Cntryboy> abattoir: thx man
[05:07] <Cntryboy> konqueror I dont care for much
[05:07] <sensei> wget http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20060501.tar.bz2 -O blah.tar.bz2 && sudo tar -jxvf blah.tar.bz2 /usr/lib/win32/
[05:08] <sensei> Should do it in one line
[05:08] <abattoir> Cntryboy: it doesnt get simpler than that :P
[05:09] <sotired> hello all
[05:09] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sup
[05:10] <sotired> im having sound issues
[05:10] <sotired> im pisse
[05:10] <sotired> d
[05:10] <gioacchino> hello
[05:10] <gioacchino> I have a problem with flah
[05:10] <sotired> a few applications have gone crazy with sound. some only playing some elements, some none.
[05:10] <gioacchino> I use mozilla firefox
[05:10] <sotired> lemme guess no sound
[05:11] <gioacchino> I had installed the flash plugin
[05:11] <Cntryboy> abattoir: yah that's simple, but I was trying to right click with in the folder, but not many shortcuts for konqueror, like in gnome ctrl+h shows hidden files does kon. have a short cut for that?
[05:12] <gioacchino> but firefox crash when I open a page with flash
[05:12] <Kwukki> yo can set one in konqueror
[05:12] <gioacchino> Window with title "Libero Web Mail - Mozilla Firefox" is not responding. This window belongs to application firefox-bin (PID=5105, hostname=localhost).
[05:12] <gioacchino> Do you wish to terminate this application? (All unsaved data in this application will be lost.)
[05:13] <abattoir> Cntryboy: i'm not aware of a shortcut for Konqueror, but I do View->Show hidden files
[05:13] <gioacchino> before the istallation of flash plugin firefox not crash...
[05:13] <abattoir> Cntryboy: but for certain Dialogs, like the file open dialog F8 does the trick
[05:15] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> where is the switch to admin mode on the process table?
[05:15] <gioacchino> hoe to resolve this problem?
[05:15] <gioacchino> I can disable flash?
[05:15] <Cntryboy> k
[05:15] <sensei> gioacchino: Remove the flash plugin
[05:16] <gioacchino> ok
[05:16] <sensei> Or at least move it out of firefox's way :)
[05:16] <Cntryboy> shoot the easy way I did flash this time, was downloaded it, extracted it, copied those 2 files to a folder called .plugin and told konqueror to find it..
[05:16] <gioacchino> hoe see flash
[05:16] <gioacchino> now ?
[05:16] <gioacchino> how
[05:17] <gioacchino> how to see flash noe ?
[05:17] <Cntryboy> konqu. was different than the browser with gnome
[05:17] <sensei> gioacchino: You can't ?
[05:17] <sensei> You just removed the plugin
[05:17] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i use the msfonts that i installed??/
[05:17] <gioacchino> [17:17]  <sensei> gioacchino: You can't ? yes it tell me istall missing plugin
[05:17] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: they should appear along w/ the other fonts in a font dialog :)
[05:18] <sensei> gioacchino: No, you can't.. Sorry, retorical question
[05:18] <gioacchino> eheh
[05:18] <gioacchino> ok
[05:18] <Cntryboy> sensei: the codecs that is taking its sweet time with my 2.1KB dialup, does it have codecs for divx,svcd,dvd,wmv ect?
[05:18] <gioacchino> thank you
[05:18] <sensei> At least not with ff, you can try another browser
[05:18] <sensei> Cntryboy: As the name implies it has codecs for 'all' ;)
[05:19] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: yes, they should
[05:19] <sensei> I think it even does .mov and .rm
[05:19] <abattoir> Cntryboy: doesnt divx, xvid work out of the box? depends on the container i guess...
[05:19] <gioacchino> you can use vlc
[05:19] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: they dont?
[05:19] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: do u know what they are called . couse i dont see anything new there
[05:20] <gioacchino> caffeine crash with dvx avi ecc
[05:20] <gioacchino> vlc work with all format..
[05:20] <sdolnack> how unsafe is it using "unstable" wireless drivers
[05:20] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: you might need to restart X...
[05:20] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: have you done that?
[05:20] <sensei> sdolnack: Not unsafe at all really
[05:20] <Cntryboy> vlc is buggy
[05:21] <sensei> sdolnack:  It just means that they may crash and not work..
[05:21] <sdolnack> rly? coz it keeps stressing on the page how important it is for end users to use stable releases
[05:21] <sdolnack> and that the others are for dev/testing only
[05:21] <Cntryboy> sensei: is there a way I can see what codecs I have as of now that kaffeine uses?
[05:21] <sensei> sdolnack: If there is a stable release, I suggest you use it :)
[05:21] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: yes , i did
[05:21] <sensei> Cntryboy: Don't know, I don't use kaffeine
[05:21] <Cntryboy> sensei: oh also kaffeine has a line through speaker icon it doesn't give me sound why?
[05:22] <gioacchino> Cntryboy: dont use caffeine it crash with avi rm ecc ecc, use vlc it work with all format
[05:22] <sensei> Cntryboy: Did you do the mp3-steps?
[05:22] <sensei> !mp3
[05:22] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:22] <sensei> Install the restricted stuff?
[05:22] <Cntryboy> ive used vlc
[05:23] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: installed through adept?
[05:23] <gioacchino> how to use samba?
[05:23] <Cntryboy> but it was buggy opening stuff, take me sometimes 3 tries to get it working if it did finally end up working on some videos
[05:23] <gioacchino> !samba
[05:23] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:23] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ is there a msttcorefonts folder?
[05:24] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: yes , there is
[05:25] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: ok, with .ttf files in it i assume ;)
[05:25] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: yup  .tff
[05:25] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: ttf
[05:25] <dabbler> any possibility of entering a local directory in sources.list?
[05:26] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: ok , let me see if i have those names on the font list
[05:26] <abattoir> VieLGuS-KuTaS: ok
[05:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> hmm , looks like i do , are all of these truetype fonts?
[05:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: i should have looked more closely
[05:30] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: are all of these truetype fonts?
[05:31] <abattoir> yes, .ttf->True type Fonts right?
[05:31] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: lol , sounds about right
[05:31] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> abattoir: thanks a lot
[05:31] <abattoir> :D
[05:40] <oem> hello evry body
[05:40] <oem> i am Moustafa
[05:40] <oem> 18 male
[05:40] <oem> from Egypt cairo
[05:40] <oem> any hot girl here?
[05:41] <sensei> lol?
[05:41] <oem> what is your boobs size
[05:41] <oem> just tell me
[05:41] <oem> and i will shoose the best
[05:41] <tomek_> Hi
[05:41] <sensei> What makes you think you're in a position to 'shoose' anybody ?
[05:41] <tomek_> I have a problem
[05:41] <oem> hi
[05:42] <oem> what?
[05:42] <oem> tell me
[05:42] <oem> i can help you
[05:42] <tomek_> tomek@tomek:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct"
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tequila_> hi
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tomek_> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[05:42] <oem> hey hey
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:42] <tomek_> tomek@tomek:~$
[05:42] <oem> forget about that
[05:42] <sensei> !pastebin
[05:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:42] <oem> no problem man
[05:43] <sensei> tomek_: What drivers have you installed?
[05:43] <tomek_> glx
[05:43] <oem> i want to see a busy cat
[05:43] <oem> Senioreta
[05:43] <tequila_> i use edgy and the included kernel 2.6.17 - can you tell me, where the module mmc_block is?
[05:43] <oem> Amigo
[05:43] <tomek_> I have GeForce 5200
[05:43] <tomek_> FX Go
[05:43] <oem> wow
[05:44] <oem> fantastic
[05:44] <oem> iam happy for taht
[05:44] <oem> for that
[05:44] <oem> tomek
[05:44] <tomek_> what can Ia do it ??
[05:44] <sensei> !nvidia
[05:44] <oem> you have a beautiful card
[05:44] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i start the ksysguard as the administrator?
[05:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:44] <oem> take care of it
[05:44] <sensei> imbrandon, crimsun wakey
[05:45] <tomek_> hmm ok
[05:45] <tomek_> i look for them
[05:45] <sensei> haha, have to hand it to him though.. "You have a beautiful card, take care of it" is quite funny
[05:45] <oem> do you work?
[05:45] <tomek_> sory but my english is not good
[05:45] <oem> thanks
[05:45] <oem> and
[05:45] <oem> don't play with matches
[05:45] <tequila_> because i need it for the SD cardslot in my laptop :(
[05:45] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> tomek_: a co chcesz
[05:46] <sensei> haha I'm actually lolling from 'you have a beautiful card'
[05:46] <tomek_> tomek@tomek:~$ glxinfo | grep "direct"
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <oem> hahahaha
[05:46] <oem> thanks man
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <gioacchino> I hve a problem with samba
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <tomek_> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <oem> but really it's wanderful
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <tomek_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <tomek_> tomek@tomek:~$
[05:46] <sensei> tomek_: ffs..
[05:46] <gioacchino> root@gioacchino-desktop:/etc# mount -a
[05:46] <gioacchino> ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!
[05:46] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> install the driver
[05:46] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> then reconfigure the xserver
[05:47] <oem> i miss love , like a desert miss the rain
[05:47] <sensei> oem: I bet you'll find it here
[05:48] <oem> really
[05:48] <oem> i hope taht
[05:48] <oem> i hope that
[05:48] <oem> i want to work
[05:48] <oem> i can work copmuter engneering
[05:49] <oem> on database
[05:49] <oem> or
[05:49] <oem> on fixing
[05:49] <oem> anything
[05:49] <oem> i have a dangerus mind
[05:49] <oem> believe me
[05:49] <Jeff_> I have loaded the AREO-AIO super krumba them but it is tranparent how can I configure the theme?
[05:49] <oem> i want to life
[05:49] <sensei> oem: Dangerous mind?
[05:49] <oem> iam from Egypt
[05:49] <oem> and in there
[05:49] <pygi> !ops
[05:49] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, or imbrandon
[05:49] <oem> no work
[05:49] <sensei> So everyone from Egypt is dangerous ?
[05:49] <sensei> Or 'has dangerous minds' +
[05:50] <c0ld> hey I just installed 2.6.14.6-grsec kernel and right when it says its going to boot the kernel it hangs
[05:50] <abattoir> pygi: :D
[05:50] <c0ld> can somone help me out ?
[05:50] <pygi> oem, please calm down, thank you ^_^
[05:51] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i start the ksysguard as the administrator?
[05:52] <imbrandon> pygi, ?
[05:53] <pygi> imachine, "oem" dude = kick please :) thanks
[05:53] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: kdesu ksysguard ?
[05:53] <imbrandon> oem, are we done being a pain ?
[05:56] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: tried that , it cant find it , cant find x-sysguard either
[05:56] <Jreinaldo> Hei! Could someone help me?
[05:56] <Jreinaldo> Here is my problem: I have 2 HDs, each one with many partitions. When I try to install the Kubuntu on the 1st HD the " qtparted" give me an error: " Critical error during ped_disk_nwe".
[05:56] <Jreinaldo> If I by pass this error, I can choose the partitions to install it. But when I try to install i get the error " No root file system", even I had the "/"(root file system and the "swap" partition.
[05:56] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Well, do you have it installed? :O
[05:56] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: yup , i cant run it from the menu
[05:56] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: i can
[05:57] <padi> kubuntu printing: using localhost:631 I can't complete the adding of a printer because neither the username nor the root user work when asked for the login on localhost, what's wrong with cups and kubuntu?
[05:57] <imbrandon> pygi, he seems to have shushed now, if it becomes a problem again just ping me
[05:57] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Check properties for the menu entry and see what command is being executed
[05:57] <pygi> imbrandon, oki, thanks ^_^
[05:57] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: ksysguard
[05:58] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: ksysguard % U
[05:58] <imachine> pygi, ?
[05:59] <imachine> oem?
[05:59] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Can you execute that without kdesu (skip the ) in alt+f2?
[05:59] <imbrandon> imachine, he propply was trying to say imbrandon and tab completed on im<tab>
[05:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:59] <imbrandon> probbably*
[05:59] <imachine> ok
[05:59] <imachine> ;] 
[05:59] <imachine> nevermind
[05:59] <imachine> ;p
[05:59] <sensei> probably*
[05:59] <imachine> just when i see my name and kick
[05:59] <imachine> i wonder whats up
[05:59] <imachine> ;)
[05:59] <pygi> imbrandon, ah, right :P
[05:59] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: yes , i can run it wothout kdesu
[06:00] <sensei> VieLGuS-KuTaS: Try it from konsole
[06:00] <sensei> So you can see the output
[06:01] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: what would the cammond be ? sudo ksysguard?
[06:01] <sensei> Sure
[06:02] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: well , thats works
[06:02] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> sensei: ty
[06:02] <sensei> np
[06:03] <imbrandon> anyone here work with nfs shares at all ?
[06:06] <padi> hey come one guys
[06:07] <padi> there must be someone using PRINTING and kubuntu
[06:07] <pygi> imbrandon, what you need...I worked with that ^_^
[06:08] <imbrandon> pygi, http://pastebin.ca/82499
[06:08] <osho> sddddf
[06:08] <imbrandon> pygi, ^^ both are ubuntu boxes
[06:08] <padi> ??
[06:08] <osho> ??
[06:09] <pygi> imbrandon, so basicly you wanna make a NFS share? :)
[06:09] <imbrandon> pygi, yea
[06:09] <padi> osho: cups printing! ever heard of?
[06:10] <pygi> imbrandon, hopefully NFS port is open?
[06:10] <imbrandon> pygi, yea its a local lan
[06:10] <imbrandon> i would assume so
[06:10] <carsten> how can i move a kubuntu instalation from one harddisk to another??
[06:10] <imbrandon> 192.168.1*
[06:11] <imbrandon> carsten, dd
[06:11] <pygi> imbrandon, please check...yes, but ubuntu has closed ports, remember? :)
[06:11] <imbrandon> pygi, how LOL
[06:11] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> does anyone know if any repo has the jre 1.05.07 debs?
[06:12] <gioacchino> I have a problem with samba
[06:12] <imbrandon> gioacchino, what kinda problem ?
[06:12] <gioacchino> oot@gioacchino-desktop:/etc# mount -a
[06:12] <gioacchino> ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!
[06:12] <imbrandon> gioacchino, sudo mount -a
[06:13] <gioacchino> imbrandon:  I had a root shell
[06:13] <gioacchino> ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!
[06:13] <gioacchino> gioacchino@gioacchino-desktop:~$
[06:14] <gioacchino> tell me error with root and with sudo ...
[06:14] <imbrandon> hrm looks like a fstab prblem
[06:14] <imbrandon> hard to tell without more info
[06:14] <imbrandon> pygi, wht ports need to be open ?
[06:14] <pygi> imbrandon, what about I write you a little tutorial now? :P
[06:14] <gioacchino> I had add  this line on fstab
[06:14] <gioacchino> /servername/sharename  /media/mountname  smbfs  defaults,uid=0,gid=0,credentials=~/.smbpasswd,umask=777  0  0
[06:14] <imbrandon> pygi, sure
[06:15] <pygi> imbrandon, 2049 is NFS if I remember correctly
[06:15] <lied> hello i have just crashed my X, how can i create a default xorg.conf
[06:15] <imbrandon> gioacchino, it needs to be the full path not ~/.smbpasswd
[06:15] <pygi> lied, sudo dexconf
[06:16] <lied> danke
[06:16] <gioacchino> what's thefull path ?
[06:16] <imbrandon> gioacchino, where ever the file is
[06:16] <imbrandon> like /home/gioacchino
[06:17] <imbrandon> and you probbly want a diffrent uid and gid
[06:17] <gioacchino> credentials=home/gioacchino/.smbpasswd    is ok ??
[06:17] <imbrandon> no
[06:18] <imbrandon> its /home/.....
[06:18] <imbrandon> and depends on if thats where the file is
[06:18] <imbrandon> gioacchino, do this ...
[06:19] <pygi> imbrandon, mail pls ? :)
[06:19] <gioacchino> ?
[06:20] <imbrandon> gioacchino,  /servername/sharename  /media/mountname  smbfs  uid=gioacchino,gid=admin,username=windows_user,password=windows_pass,rw  0  0
[06:20] <imbrandon> pygi, imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[06:20] <pygi> imbrandon, right, silly me :P
[06:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:20] <Snake> imbrandon: wazzap
[06:20] <imbrandon> sup Snake
[06:20] <Snake> imbrandon: doesnt your wife/kids get mad at you on your comp all day? :P :)
[06:21] <imbrandon> Snake, i'm divorced ( and no they are on the comp too )
[06:21] <Snake> imbrandon: ahh okay and LOL! gotcha :)
[06:21] <imbrandon> Snake, since you know it is my job and all ;)
[06:21] <pygi> imbrandon, o yes, you running portmap?
[06:21] <Snake> imbrandon: As far as I can tell you chill in ubuntu rooms all day:P
[06:21] <imbrandon> pygi, yes
[06:21] <pygi> started before the nfs?
[06:21] <imbrandon> Snake, thats te great thing about working for yourself
[06:22] <gioacchino> imbrandon: thanks it work!!
[06:22] <imbrandon> pygi, yea i think
[06:22] <imbrandon> gioacchino, np
[06:22] <pygi> imbrandon, share like this: "192.168.0.2:/mnt/cdrom /x2x/mnt/cdrom nfs rsize=1024,wsize=1024,noauto   0 0"  ?
[06:23] <gioacchino> imbrandon: it tell me only root can use it
[06:23] <imbrandon> pygi, i was trying to do it on commandline before fstab to make sure it worked
[06:23] <gioacchino> how use it with my user ?
[06:23] <imbrandon> gioacchino, did you use -->  /servername/sharename  /media/mountname  smbfs  uid=gioacchino,gid=admin,username=windows_user,password=windows_pass,rw  0  0
[06:23] <pygi> imbrandon, right, right
[06:24] <coma_> any developers in here interested in working on a RTS?
[06:24] <imbrandon> #
[06:24] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/media$ sudo mount 192.168.1.5:/storage/ /media/nfs
[06:24] <imbrandon> #
[06:24] <imbrandon> mount to NFS server '192.168.1.5' failed.
[06:24] <imbrandon> RTS ?
[06:25] <coma_> Real time strategy
[06:25] <imbrandon> ah no
[06:25] <pygi> coma_, !!!
[06:25] <coma_> yeah?
[06:25] <sysrpl> how can i search for installed packages?
[06:25] <pygi> coma_, this is not RTS development channel
[06:25] <pygi> imbrandon, could you look at ur server logs if you have a firewall?
[06:25] <sysrpl> i am trying to remove the mono stuff and sudo apt-get remove mono yields no packages to be removed
[06:26] <coma_> is it against TOS to ask if anyones interested?
[06:26] <imbrandon> pygi, nope no firewall
[06:26] <jbwiv> guys, anyone running amaroK 1.4.1 on dapper?
[06:26] <gioacchino> Could not mount device.
[06:26] <gioacchino> The reported error was:
[06:26] <gioacchino> mount: only root can mount /servername/sharename on /media/mountname
[06:26] <pygi> imbrandon, then the port is just blocked ^_^
[06:26] <sysrpl> yet typing the mono compiler mcs at the terminal still shows it's installed
[06:26] <imbrandon> sysrpl, run " sudo dpkg-query -l |grep ii|grep mono " and remove all those
[06:26] <gioacchino> imbrandon:  yes I use  /servername/sharename  /media/mountname  smbfs  uid=gioacchino,gid=admin,username=windows_user,password=windows_pass,rw  0  0
[06:26] <coma_> pygi : is it against TOS to ask if anyones interested?
[06:26] <stoic> yeah i am
[06:27] <gioacchino> but it tell me
[06:27] <gioacchino> Could not mount device.
[06:27] <gioacchino> [18:26]  <gioacchino> The reported error was:
[06:27] <gioacchino> [18:26]  <gioacchino> mount: only root can mount /servername/sharename on /media/mountname
[06:27] <sysrpl> where is the grep ii?
[06:27] <imbrandon> gioacchino, only root can mount it yes, but any user can use it
[06:27] <imbrandon> sysrpl, paste that
[06:27] <pygi> imbrandon, I also hope you have "portmap: <client ip>/255.255.255.0" in /etc/hosts
[06:27] <imbrandon> with no quotes
[06:28] <sysrpl> i did, and it worked ... i was just wondering what ii was
[06:28] <imbrandon> pygi, ahhh no i dont
[06:28] <pygi> imbrandon, please do ^_^
[06:28] <imbrandon> ii means installed
[06:28] <sysrpl> oh, thanks
[06:28] <mikearthur> Is it safe to mount /var/ as noexec with ubuntu?
[06:28] <sysrpl> :)
[06:28] <pygi> coma_, not really :P
[06:28] <gioacchino> root@gioacchino-desktop:/etc# mount.smbfs service mountpoint [-n]  workgroup=MSHOME
[06:28] <gioacchino> Could not resolve mount point mountpoint
[06:29] <coma_> pygi : phew! didnt wanna get banned off my fav channel! we are desperate though
[06:29] <pygi> coma_, eh, good luck in making a game ^_^
[06:30] <coma_> pygi : its made, we need help recoding the engine so it can be sort of...an open RTS engine....
[06:30] <pygi> coma_, oh, you wanna open source a game?
[06:31] <pygi> or?
[06:31] <imbrandon> pygi, ok i got that in the server now but i still get the same error on the client, i think its a client problem
[06:31] <coma_> its already open, its just a lot of it is hardcoded....
[06:31] <gioacchino> imbrandon: I can use shared printer ?
[06:31] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/media$ showmount -e 192.168.1.5
[06:31] <imbrandon> mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered
[06:31] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/media$
[06:31] <pygi> imbrandon, I would rather say you have to open port on server ^_^
[06:32] <imbrandon> pygi, i have http and smb shares on that server and dident have to open any ports
[06:32] <imbrandon> pygi, how do i open the port then, i have no firewall running on it
[06:33] <sysrpl> imbrando: i am about to reinstall all this mono stuff from sources to be compiled ... afterwards sice they are compiled (instead of installed through apt-get) will the show up in the package cache?
[06:33] <pygi> hm,sec, lemme try to think of something else
[06:33] <imbrandon> sysrpl, not as ii
[06:33] <imbrandon> pygi, ok
[06:33] <imbrandon> pygi, whats the mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered mean
[06:33] <sysrpl> imbrandon: how will they show up then if i need to remove them in the future?
[06:34] <imbrandon> sysrpl, if they are compiled from source they you done
[06:34] <imbrandon> dont*
[06:34] <imbrandon> thats the problem with compiling programs from source
[06:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:34] <sysrpl> imbrandon: oh
[06:34] <sysrpl> imbrandon: well how do i track what's installed on the system by way of compiled installs?
[06:34] <imbrandon> sysrpl, if you want to beable to remove them laster look into making debs from the source and install the debs
[06:35] <imbrandon> sysrpl, there isnt a way
[06:35] <sysrpl> :(
[06:35] <gatekeeper> sysrpl: I think you want to use checkinstall
[06:35] <sysrpl> well if i ned to upgrade from updated sources will that screw me up?
[06:35] <imbrandon> sysrpl, probbly not you just compile and install over the old
[06:35] <sysrpl> okay
[06:35] <imbrandon> in the case of MONO
[06:36] <imbrandon> not all are that easy though
[06:36] <sysrpl> that's what i wanted to know
[06:36] <imbrandon> sysrpl, look into checkinstall
[06:36] <sysrpl> ty much
[06:36] <sysrpl> okay
[06:36] <imbrandon> ./configure;make;checkinstall
[06:36] <sysrpl> what does that do differently?
[06:37] <gatekeeper> sysrpl: I don't think imbrandon is entirely correct I think if you use checkinstall they will show up in your package manager as installed packages
[06:37] <imbrandon> it makes a psudo deb from the source that you can install ( but only works for the computer you make the deb on, dont redistribute it )
[06:37] <imbrandon> gatekeeper, yea checkinstall it will becosue its a deb, but not from source
[06:38] <sysrpl> make;sudo make install ... change to make;sudo make checkinstall ?
[06:38] <pygi> imbrandon, mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered it means that nfsd or mountd is not running on the server
[06:38] <imbrandon> yea replace sudo make install to checkinstall
[06:38] <gatekeeper> imbrandon: doesn't ./configure;make;checkinstall get hime where he wants to be?
[06:38] <pookierox> just FYI ... amarok 1.4.1 with last.fm radio is SWEEET
[06:38] <sysrpl> i need sudo for that though right?
[06:39] <imbrandon> sysrpl, yea
[06:39] <imbrandon> probbly
[06:39] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i specify a path for update-alternatives --config java??
[06:39] <pygi> imbrandon, you get it? :)
[06:39] <imbrandon> pygi, checking now
[06:40] <imbrandon> w00t
[06:40] <imbrandon> thanks pygi that was it
[06:40] <imbrandon> brandon@server:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[06:40] <imbrandon>  * Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...                                                                                                                               [ ok ] 
[06:40] <imbrandon>  * Starting rpc nfsd...                                                                                                                                                         [ ok ] 
[06:40] <imbrandon>  * Starting rpc mountd...                                                                                                                                                       [ ok ] 
[06:40] <imbrandon> brandon@server:~$
[06:40] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:40] <pygi> imbrandon, should I call for ops? :P
[06:40] <pygi> 
[06:41] <pygi> /kick imbrandon
[06:41] <pygi> congrats imbrandon :)
[06:41] <imbrandon> thanks pygi ;)
[06:41] <imbrandon> thats been buggin me for days
[06:41] <pygi> you are welcome ^_^
[06:41] <imbrandon> lol
[06:42] <pygi> just you laugh at me :P
[06:42] <imbrandon> laugh at myself
[06:42] <pygi> ok, now I can erase this beginners article to NFS world :P
[06:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:42] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:42] <pygi> nice :)
[06:44] <pygi> imbrandon, problems are usually big, but solutions are trivial
[06:44] <pygi> if solution is complex, then it's not a solution
[06:44] <imbrandon> hahaha how so very true
[06:44] <pygi> imbrandon, :)
[06:45] <pygi> anyway, congrats, I must look for some laptop ^_^ Deciding beetween two currently mostly ^_^
[06:45] <imbrandon> if the solution isnt kubuntu you have the wrong problem ;)
[06:45] <pygi> imbrandon, !!! lol !!!
[06:45] <imbrandon> pygi, i like my iBook ;)
[06:46] <imbrandon> works great
[06:46] <imbrandon> and everything in it just works(tm)
[06:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:46] <pygi> I am not sure I can get iBook in this country =P Just that dual Mac laptop thingies :P
[06:47] <imbrandon> yea coreduo's are nice too
[06:47] <pygi> right, but I don't wanna pay 5k$ for a laptop :P
[06:47] <imbrandon> ouch
[06:47] <imbrandon> they are about 1.5k$ here
[06:48] <pygi> imbrandon, I'll try to find some Ibook...perhaps international order ^_^
[06:48] <imbrandon> ebay ;)
[06:48] <pygi> never trust ebay !!!
[06:48] <pygi> joke, ebay doesn't have much apples
[06:48] <imbrandon> true
[06:49] <imbrandon> woot now i can put my /home/brandon dir on the nfs and use it on my lappy or desktop ;)
[06:49] <pygi> imbrandon, aha ^_^
[06:50] <sysrpl> sudo checkinstall thank you for the check install .. works good, though it's a bit verbose
[06:50] <MDCore_> hey guys. I'm busy switching from WinXP to Kubuntu.. and there's a few app equivalents that I'm looking for (or useful alternatives, of course). I use tortoiseSVN regularly on win.. is there a kde alternative?
[06:50] <imbrandon> MDCore subversion
[06:50] <pygi> imbrandon, http://www.mikronis.hr/shop/item.asp?itemid=2362&catid=174
[06:50] <pygi> this one?
[06:51] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> how do i specify a path for update-alternatives --config java??
[06:51] <imbrandon> pygi, haha thats almost an exact thing i have, yes it works great
[06:51] <imbrandon> VieLGuS-KuTaS, not sure if you can
[06:51] <pygi> imbrandon, there is this one as well: http://www.mikronis.hr/shop/item.asp?itemid=2363
[06:52] <pygi> MDCore, there is, it just doesnt look the same...search at Adept "svn"
[06:52] <pygi> and you should get something
[06:52] <pygi> imbrandon, what about that second one? same as you have?
[06:52] <omeow> How come my printer always prints an extra blank page when I print something with it?
[06:52] <imbrandon> yea i have the superdrive and bigger hdd
[06:52] <imbrandon> that the second one has
[06:53] <pygi> ah, right ^_^
[06:53] <MDCore_> k.
[06:53] <pygi> imbrandon, so you suggest to take that instead of regular laptop?^_^
[06:53] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> imbrandon: i used the installer from .bin and it wont see it , so how can i set it as default when it doesnt see it and i cant specify the path?
[06:53] <pygi> imbrandon, http://www.mikronis.hr/shop/item.asp?itemid=3562 !!!!!
[06:54] <imbrandon> pygi, here is my iBook running http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/mol.png
[06:54] <imbrandon> lol nice pygi
[06:54] <pygi> imbrandon, no really, do you suggest me to buy Ibook instead of regular laptop?
[06:54] <imbrandon> VieLGuS-KuTaS, i dont know bro, i think it only works for pkgs
[06:55] <pygi> Mac-On-Linux? Emulator/Virtualization?
[06:55] <imbrandon> pygi, yea i like them much better , they run very smooth and have a long batterie life
[06:55] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> imbrandon: ok , ty
[06:55] <imbrandon> pygi, virt, it runs your osx install alongside linux ( from another partition )
[06:56] <pygi> imbrandon, right, right, I couldnt go without adium if I had Apple ^_^
[06:56] <imbrandon> only works for ppc though
[06:56] <imbrandon> heheh
[06:56] <pygi> right ^_^
[06:56] <MikeStyle> Hi, i have a big problem
[06:56] <imbrandon> yup thats my little green duck
[06:56] <zorglu1> imbrandon: aware of any solution to run macosx on linuc pc ? im search something to do that ? like qemu is able to do so ?
[06:56] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> imbrandon: do u know if any repo has the latest sun-java jre?
[06:57] <pygi> zorglu1, no, not qemu ^_^
[06:57] <imbrandon> zorglu1, x86 ? pearpc
[06:57] <pygi> imbrandon, is that open source? (pearpc)
[06:57] <imbrandon> VieLGuS-KuTaS, only the official one
[06:57] <imbrandon> pygi, yea
[06:57] <pygi> uh, nice :)
[06:57] <MDCore_> what do u guys recommend as a gui text editor. I edit PHP, ASP, python... ruby.... lots of HTML+JS+Code.
[06:57] <pygi> zorglu1, you couuld run MacOS on x86 in Qemu if you had super-computer
[06:58] <zorglu1> pygi: you mean this would be slow ?
[06:58] <pygi> zorglu1, aha ^_^
[06:58] <zorglu1> so ?
[06:58] <imbrandon> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/
[06:58] <imbrandon> powerpc emulator
[06:58] <zorglu1> imbrandon: yep looking at the screenshot right now :)
[06:58] <pygi> imbrandon, right, but just on apple architecture :P
[06:58] <zorglu1> imbrandon: do you know if it work ok ?
[06:59] <MikeStyle> Guys, i installed a sorta beta distro on my second hard drive in my main machine (40 gb) and the main (80 gb) has windows on it. within windows i formatted the drive (40 gb) because i wasnt using it. now my computer gets a grub error on bootup...grub error 17 if the drive is enabled in bios and error 21 if disabled... they are both sata...can anyone help??
[06:59] <imbrandon> zorglu1, no idea, i use a real ppc ;)
[06:59] <zorglu1> imbrandon: ok :) i will test then :)
[06:59] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, boot from a windows recovery disk and run "fixmbr"
[06:59] <pygi> zorglu1, he can use virtualization, you cant
[06:59] <marijoze> join #almeria
[07:00] <zorglu1> pygi: man answer my previous question
[07:00] <MikeStyle> imbrandon, windows recovery...ok i think i have one. thank you!
[07:01] <imbrandon> pygi, you know parrellels for osx ? mol is kinda like that
[07:01] <MikeStyle> imbrandon, that in no way will affect my files right?
[07:01] <deuce868> anyone have first hand knowledge of getting sd card readers built into laptops going? I've seen that it's supposed to have been put in place with dapper?
[07:01] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, correct you just need to fix the MBR
[07:02] <MikeStyle> i believe dell has a 2 gb recovery partition called dellutility... but ive never seen it on boot menu ... 0_o
[07:02] <imbrandon> deuce868, might check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[07:02] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, no
[07:02] <imbrandon> not the recovery partition
[07:03] <MikeStyle> k
[07:03] <imbrandon> a real windows cd
[07:03] <MikeStyle> k
[07:03] <imbrandon> then choose recovery from that
[07:03] <MikeStyle> k
[07:03] <imbrandon> otherwise you WILL loose data
[07:03] <imbrandon> once at the recovery console just type "fixmbr" it will give you a warning etc etc etc, tell it yes
[07:03] <imbrandon> then your reboot and are golden
[07:04] <imbrandon> takes about 5 min total
[07:05] <pygi> imbrandon, mol?
[07:05] <pygi> zorglu1, which one?
[07:05] <pygi> imbrandon, did I miss something? :P
[07:05] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, if you have an old windows95/98 floppy bootdisk arround you can use it too by booting from it and running "fdisk /mbr"
[07:05] <imbrandon> pygi, mol == mac-on-linux
[07:05] <deuce868> imbrandon, yea I was looking there. Those that are close to my laptop's model number all have that the sd card readers as untested
[07:05] <MikeStyle> imbrandon, lol no. the cd worked i think
[07:05] <pygi> imbrandon, ah, right, sorry ^_^
[07:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:06] <pygi> battery 6 hours??!!!
[07:06] <imbrandon> deuce868, it SHOULD work out of the box as they are just usb interfaces though
[07:06] <imbrandon> pygi, yea my batterie last a LONG time in my iBook
[07:06] <pygi> but it doesnt have kind of perfomarmance as turon 4000 or Centrino 1.86?
[07:06] <MikeStyle> omg imbrandon thank u so much
[07:06] <imbrandon> thats one of the things i like about it
[07:06] <MikeStyle> it worked
[07:06] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, np
[07:07] <MikeStyle> ill never install novell linux enterprise desktop 10 again
[07:07] <pygi> imbrandon, ok, and does that wireless card works on Linux?
[07:07] <pygi> MikeStyle, :)
[07:07] <deuce868> imachine, that's the thing. I've seen some posts in the forums say it should work out of the box with dapper. I think this is my card in lspci
[07:07] <deuce868> 0000:08:06.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 803b
[07:07] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, lol any linux will do that if you just "delete it" but thats how to fix it ;)
[07:07] <MikeStyle> imbrandon i never had problems with ubuntu or kubuntu and that ...
[07:07] <imbrandon> ouch yea
[07:08] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, youve never just "deleted them" then ;)
[07:08] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> whats a ls command to only show symbolic links?
[07:08] <MikeStyle> imbrandon, true
[07:08] <imbrandon> VieLGuS-KuTaS, ls -la will show links also other files
[07:09] <VieLGuS-KuTaS> k ,ty
[07:09] <pygi> imbrandon, any chance for a response? I promise, thats my final question about apple :)
[07:09] <MikeStyle> anyone here good with windows and familiar with norton ghost?
[07:09] <pygi> MikeStyle, !!!
[07:10] <MikeStyle> pygi !!! ?
[07:10] <imbrandon> pygi, what question?
[07:11] <imbrandon> sorry was afk a moment
[07:11] <pygi> imbrandon, no worries :) does wireless card in that ibook works on linux?
[07:11] <imbrandon> pygi, oh yea right out of the box with dapper, airports use the orinoco drivers ( no config needed cept your wep key )
[07:12] <pygi> o, good to know ^_^
[07:12] <Random_Transit> hey, I'm looking for people from Canada, specifically Ontario to help start an Ubuntu street team, help get the word out about Ubuntu
[07:12] <MikeStyle> woohoo norton ghost copying all data from C:/ to G:/
[07:12] <MikeStyle> g being a western digital MyBook
[07:12] <imbrandon> airport classic usees the orinoco and airport extreeme uses BCMxx
[07:13] <imbrandon> but both work out of the box
[07:13] <pygi> imbrandon, right, well, it seems this is extreme airport ;)
[07:13] <MikeStyle> i heard mac laptops run ALOT better under linux
[07:13] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, i like mine ;)
[07:13] <pygi> MikeStyle, you mean apple laptops !!!
[07:13] <abattoir> pygi: thinking of getting a MBP ? :P
[07:14] <MikeStyle> pygi, why is it called macbook then/
[07:14] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, mine is an iBook not a mpb ;)
[07:14] <pygi> abattoir, just iBook
[07:14] <MikeStyle> why not applebook?
[07:14] <MikeStyle> lol
[07:14] <abattoir> pygi: you mean MacBook?
[07:14] <MikeStyle> im content with my dell inspiron 5100
[07:14] <pygi> abattoir, no, I mean Ibook :P
 pygi: you mean MacBook?
[07:14] <pygi> erh
[07:14] <pygi> http://www.mikronis.hr/shop/item.asp?itemid=2363&catid=174
[07:15] <abattoir> pygi: ah ok, the black one looks swanky :)
[07:15] <pygi> abattoir, http://www.mikronis.hr/shop/item.asp?itemid=3562&catid=174 :P
[07:15] <pygi> (this is the one I wont buy :P)
[07:15] <imbrandon> abattoir, the ppc ones use less batterie ;)
[07:15] <MikeStyle> at work i salvaged an internal wireless out of a broken inspiron 5150, installed but kubuntu didnt pickit  up :(
[07:15] <pygi> MikeStyle, chip?
[07:15] <imbrandon> chipset ?
[07:15] <MikeStyle> pygi pentium 4
[07:16] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, wireless chipset ;)
[07:16] <abattoir> MikeStyle: the wireless chipset
[07:16] <pygi> MikeStyle, wireless pentium 4 chipset????!
[07:16] <MikeStyle> same exact as 5150
[07:16] <imbrandon> ahahaha
[07:16] <MikeStyle> ah
[07:16] <MikeStyle> hold on
[07:16] <MikeStyle> jeeze
[07:16] <MikeStyle> need to take it apart now
[07:16] <pygi> I almost thought I missed entire decade or so :P
[07:16] <imbrandon> afk , gonna go migrate my /home to the nfs server ;)
[07:16] <abattoir> imbrandon, pygi, hasnt ibook production stopped?
[07:16] <MikeStyle> err cant find my screwdriver...
[07:16] <imbrandon> abattoir, yea but there is still a ton out there and they run great
[07:16] <MikeStyle> BROADCOM
[07:17] <pygi> abattoir, not sure, perhaps yes ^_^
[07:17] <MikeStyle> its broadcom
[07:17] <abattoir> then pygi must be able to get a discount...
[07:17] <abattoir> !bcm43xx
[07:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:17] <pygi> abattoir, not really :-/
[07:17] <abattoir> hmm, my ubotu entry didnt get added :(
[07:17] <imbrandon> abattoir, i payed about 300$ for my iBook
[07:18] <imbrandon> abattoir, are you on the editors list ?
[07:18] <pygi> imbrandon, that ibook costs 1900$ here !!!
[07:18] <imbrandon> pygi, ouch
[07:18] <pygi> send me one ? :P
[07:18] <abattoir> imbrandon: nope, it was forwarded to #ubuntu-ops
[07:18] <imbrandon> heheh
[07:18] <imbrandon> abattoir, ahh
[07:18] <pygi> imbrandon, I would pay, ofcourse ^_^
[07:18] <abattoir> MikeStyle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[07:18] <pygi> just look at the difference ... 300$ compared to 1900$ :P
[07:19] <imbrandon> pygi, i got mine from ebay ;(
[07:19] <MikeStyle> oh god they want me to set up ndiswrapper
[07:19] <pygi> hm, sec
[07:19] <pygi> imbrandon, right, right
[07:20] <abattoir> MikeStyle: the dapper kernel has a bcm43xx module
[07:20] <MikeStyle> abattoir, then why doesnt it work/
[07:20] <pygi> imbrandon, http://computers.search.ebay.com/ibook_Laptops-Notebooks_W0QQsacatZ51148
[07:20] <pygi> nothing useful
[07:20] <abattoir> MikeStyle: section 1.2 ?
[07:20] <abattoir> MikeStyle: though i myself prefer ndiswrapper...
[07:20] <imbrandon> !no bcm43xx is Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[07:21] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[07:21] <imbrandon> there ya go abattoir
[07:21] <abattoir> imbrandon: thanks :)
[07:21] <MikeStyle> is ubotu a bot?
[07:21] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, yes
[07:21] <imbrandon> !bot
[07:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:21] <abattoir> MikeStyle: indeed :)
[07:21] <MikeStyle> k
[07:22] <imbrandon> pygi, yea it realy is worth it , i love mine
[07:22] <imbrandon> i dunno if i would buy a apple desktop but i wouldent buy any other laptop
[07:23] <uniq> ibooks are great.
[07:23] <uniq> i love mine too :)
[07:23] <pussfeller> how do i set what services start up on boot
[07:23] <pygi> imbrandon, http://www.mikronis.hr/shop/item.asp?itemid=3567&catid=175 :)
[07:23] <pussfeller> !boot
[07:23] <ubotu> Boot options: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:23] <pygi> imbrandon, oh, oki, I'll probably go and buy it then ^_^
[07:23] <abattoir> pygi: slightly offopic, is da yes, like in Russian?
[07:23] <imbrandon> heya uniq ;)
[07:23] <uniq> hi imbrandon.
[07:24] <pygi> abattoir, "da" = "yes", right ... where you saw "da"?
[07:24] <abattoir> Bluetooth: da
[07:24] <abattoir>  Airport Extreme: da
[07:24] <pygi> ah :P
[07:24] <abattoir> and no is nyet? :P ?
[07:24] <pygi> "no" = "ne" :)
[07:25] <abattoir> ok, thanks :)
[07:25] <MikeStyle> guys, when i do "apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter", it says package cannot be found
[07:25] <pygi> abattoir, nema na cemu :)
[07:25] <abattoir> pygi: no problem? ;)
[07:25] <pygi> abattoir, "you are welcome" :)
[07:25] <uniq> mikestyle: have you enabled universe?
[07:25] <uniq> !universe > mikestyle
[07:25] <abattoir> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:25] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In repository universe, is optional. Version 20060108-6build1 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 100 kB
[07:26] <MikeStyle> uniq, probably not
[07:26] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/media$ apt-cache madison bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:26] <imbrandon> bcm43xx-fwcutter | 20060108-6build1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[07:26] <imbrandon> bcm43xx-fwcutter | 20060108-6build1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[07:26] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/media$
[07:26] <pygi> imbrandon, kick urself :P
[07:26] <pygi> again !!! :)
[07:26] <pygi> that's a kick-ban :P
[07:26] <MikeStyle> AH where is synaptic package manager?!
[07:26] <abattoir> MikeStyle: do you know how to enable it?
[07:26] <imbrandon> heh ok, me go's afk to work on this nfs ;)
[07:27] <pygi> imbrandon, good luck :)
[07:27] <abattoir> MikeStyle: fire up adept
[07:27] <pygi> MikeStyle, Kubuntu doesnt have synaptic
[07:27] <MikeStyle> abattoir ok
[07:27] <abattoir> MikeStyle: Adept->Manage Repositories....
[07:27] <MikeStyle> now what
[07:27] <MikeStyle> ?
[07:28] <MikeStyle> ok now what
[07:28] <darkaudit> shocked and amazed that I had no difficulty getting my wireless set up when I installed Kubuntu last night... bravo people!
[07:28] <imbrandon> MikeStyle, patients he is probbly looking ;)
[07:29] <abattoir> MikeStyle: you see the line 'deb   xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main' ?
[07:29] <MikeStyle> yes
[07:29] <MikeStyle> i found universe and enabled
[07:29] <abattoir> ok now apply....
[07:30] <abattoir> and fetch updates
[07:30] <MikeStyle> k
[07:30] <abattoir> it'd be a good idea to enable multiverse and restricted too... if it isnt already :)
[07:30] <MikeStyle> done
[07:30] <MikeStyle> and i did
[07:30] <MikeStyle> now try it?
[07:30] <abattoir> yup
[07:31] <pygi> abattoir, 21:00 PM
[07:31] <abattoir> pygi: yes i found out :)
[07:31] <abattoir> thank you
[07:31] <gatekeeper> MikeStyle: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[07:31] <MikeStyle> ok i think i got it
[07:31] <MikeStyle> thanks
[07:34] <abattoir> @time Munich
[07:34] <abattoir> @time Berlin
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: July 08 2006, 19:34:57
[07:35] <pussfeller> whats mysql ngb and ngb manager
[07:36] <pussfeller> do i wanna start that or mysql
[07:37] <pussfeller> kubuntu really needs a better services manager :)
[07:38] <pussfeller> bum doesnt seem to read the runlevels directly but rather queires dpkg
[07:38] <pygi> pussfeller, write it, this is free world ^_^
[07:39] <uniq> pussfeller: what about ksysv?
[07:40] <pussfeller> uniq i will try that one
[07:42] <pussfeller> uniq i "cut" the entries out of each runlevel i dont want?
[07:44] <pussfeller> nm
[07:44] <centyx> upgraded to amarok 1.4.0 from kubuntu.org hoping to get support for windows media streams etc. no luck. is there anything else I need to do? I've got libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs installed.
[07:44] <centyx> note: the streams work in kaffeine
[07:45] <omeow> centyx: Do you have a link to the stream? I'd like to try it too.
[07:46] <centyx> omeow: sure. mms://windowsmedia.byu.edu/Instrumental is one
[07:46] <zorglu1> mplayer mms://windowsmedia.byu.edu/Instrumental works
[07:46] <omeow> works for me.
[07:46] <zorglu1> nothing to do with amarok tho
[07:46] <omeow> (in amarok)
[07:47] <centyx> since they work in kaffeine using the xine engine, i'm assuming that xine is ok and it's an amarok issue
[07:47] <centyx> omeow: weird
[07:47] <omeow> centyx: I use amarok 1.4.1 though.
[07:47] <zorglu1> you sure you want to listen to THAT stream ? :)
[07:47] <centyx> omeow: ah. is there a package for that?
[07:47] <omeow> Yes, one sec.
[07:48] <Frederick> folks kubuntu updated my kernel how do I remove the old one?
[07:48] <centyx> zorglu1: I know, it'd put most ppl to sleep ;p
[07:48] <pygi> abattoir, ???
[07:48] <pussfeller> now i need to find out whats starting stupid beagled
[07:48] <omeow> add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main" to your adept repository list.
[07:48] <centyx> thanks, I'll try that
[07:48] <pussfeller> which cant handle the way kde does removable storage
[07:49] <omeow> centyx: There's also a predefined radio stream for classical music in amarok. Did you try that one too?
[07:50] <johnsandman> unsermake command not found what i am missing ?
[07:50] <centyx> omeow: no, I didn't. do I need to apt-get upgrade, or I will be safe just fetching amarok-xine, amarok-engines, and amarok?
[07:51] <omeow> You need to add the repository (remember to click apply before you close the window), then fetch updates and let it update everything to update.
[07:51] <_simian_> i'm having trouble with xine and amarok at the moment
[07:51] <omeow> (most likely only amarok I think)
[07:51] <centyx> omeow: I was doing it by hand
[07:51] <omeow> _simian_: It'd be more helpful if you said what the problem was.
[07:51] <centyx> omeow: dist-upgrade didn't show any other media-related files, so I'm good I guess
[07:51] <_simian_> omeow: lol i was in the middle of typing it
[07:52] <centyx> omeow: I went ahead and did it anyway tho b/c I figured it wouldn't hurt
[07:52] <omeow> centyx: Oh ok, I'm not too familiar to those commands, just check the version number of amarok after you restarted it.
[07:52] <centyx> omeow: I was worried about libtag etc
[07:52] <omeow> For tunepimp you mean?
[07:53] <_simian_> omeow: it amarok keeps saying that it can't load the xine engine, then i log out and log in again it's all right (but i'm sure that the is a better way to deal withproblem
[07:53] <omeow> I get that stuff from a thirdparty because the official repository comes without the much needed mp3 support.
[07:53] <omeow> _simian_: does it tell you why? perhaps the audio device is in use?
[07:53] <omeow> (an even better place to ask this stuff is in #amarok by the way)
[07:54] <centyx> omeow: hey they work!
[07:54] <centyx> omeow: the upgrade did the trick
[07:54] <omeow> Good.
[07:54] <centyx> omeow: ah, I didn't even think it'd have a large enough user base to have its own channel
[07:55] <centyx> looks a litle better too ;)
[07:55] <_simian_> omeow: it's working well at the moment so i can't check but going by memory i don' think it did give a reason
[07:55] <Frederick> folks kubuntu updated my kernel how do I remove the old one?
[07:55] <centyx> omeow: anyway thanks
[07:58] <_simian_> when i hold the mouse pointer over the amarok window it is constantly swithing between a standart mouse pointer adn a pointer that  indicates that the computer is busy, does it sound like i have some memory issues?
[07:58] <Bennner> i'm having troubles running SMB4K, the apps comes slow and i get this message "smbumount must be installed suid root"
[07:58] <neylara> hola
[07:59] <neylara> alguien habla espaol
[07:59] <z00m_> hi all, im new to kubuntu, do it have a firewall built in it?
[07:59] <_simian_> zoom linux has iptables built in but as far as i know it is just an empty shell in kubuntu
[08:00] <farous> why is it that some times even the terminal window is soo slow on dapper?
[08:01] <z00m_> _simian_: does it have a firewall built into the it or do i need to enable one
[08:01] <centyx> er
[08:04] <jerry> I have a question
[08:04] <_simian_> z00m_: I don't think it has what your talking about but all ports are blocked by default so unless you have unblocked them you should be fine
[08:05] <jerry> I have a question
[08:05] <Hawkwind> jerry: Just ask
[08:05] <jerry> I can't get music to play on a webpage
[08:06] <jerry> http://peppyprankcall.ytmnd.com/
[08:06] <jerry> music dosen't play
[08:07] <sysrpl> shit, what linux gui text editor supports macro recording and playback?
[08:07] <Bennner> i'm having troubles running SMB4K, the apps comes slow and i get this message "smbumount must be installed suid root"
[08:08] <jerry> I click install plugin and nothing happens
[08:08] <z00m_> can anyone tell me how i get security updates on kubuntu, where do i search for updates any help would be great
[08:08] <AmazingRuss> need to edit your sources.list
[08:08] <AmazingRuss> that make any sense?
[08:09] <z00m_> its ok i found it ;)
[08:09] <jerry> firefox
[08:09] <jerry> says I'm missing a plugin
[08:10] <zorglu1> jerry: to get help, you would need to get more info :)
[08:10] <jerry> at http://peppyprankcall.ytmnd.com/
[08:10] <jerry> it says missing plugin
[08:10] <zorglu1> jerry: see just 'it doesnt work' is hard to work on :)
[08:10] <jerry> but the button does nothing
[08:10] <zorglu1> ah this is info :)
[08:11] <zorglu1> jerry: ok i hear some sound on this webpage
[08:11] <jerry> well I don't
[08:11] <jerry> and it says missing plugin
[08:11] <darkaudit> CLANG!
[08:11] <zorglu1> jerry: so my guess is simple, you need to install the flash pligin for firefox
[08:11] <darkaudit> whoops... wrong window... sorry
[08:11] <jerry> how do I do that?
[08:12] <zorglu1> i dunno :)
[08:12] <zorglu1> likely some stuff in adept
[08:12] <zorglu1> and i heard that some minor issue happen in the install
[08:13] <zorglu1> http://www.elijahlofgren.com/linux/ubuntu/multimedia/#install-flash
[08:13] <zorglu1> this is explaining how to add the flash plugin
[08:13] <jerry> holy shit all of that
[08:14] <zorglu1> well only this 'install flahs
[08:14] <zorglu1> not the whole page :)
[08:14] <jerry> is there anyway to get kubuntu to auto update itself
[08:14] <zorglu1> this is like 3 commands, nothing too big :)
[08:15] <zorglu1> :)
[08:15] <jerry> there are 14 update packages available
[08:15] <zorglu1> in adept theere is a big button 'fully updagre'
[08:15] <zorglu1> upgrade
[08:15] <jerry> can I have it setup at a certain time to auto upgrade
[08:15] <jerry> like noon
[08:16] <zorglu1> yep you do the proper apt-get at a given time
[08:16] <gatekeeper> jerry: cron job
[08:18] <jerry> what would I do
[08:19] <jerry> in /etc/crontab?
[08:19] <padi> has anyone else problems adding/modifying a printer in kubuntu under dd 6.06?
[08:19] <gatekeeper> jerry: use KCron
[08:19] <padi> in the log there is always: unauthoritive
[08:19] <gatekeeper> jerry: are you using Firefox?
[08:20] <padi> but my user is member of the group lpadmin
[08:20] <padi> do I have to enable the root user?
[08:20] <gatekeeper> jerry: K -> System -> KCron
[08:20] <zorglu1> unauthoritive doesnt seem like 'not authorized'
[08:21] <zorglu1> padi: just a remark.
[08:21] <jerry> ya
[08:21] <padi> wait, the exact word is
[08:21] <word> me?
[08:21] <z00m_> whats a good linux firewall ?
[08:21] <z00m_> that works on kubuntu
[08:21] <jerry> It's still not working
[08:21] <gatekeeper> tried this: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Flash_Player_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[08:22] <z00m_> another thing what the hell is CUPS 1.2 service ?
[08:22] <padi> E [08/Jul/2006:18:31:47 +0200]  cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found!
[08:22] <z00m_> another thing what the hell is CUPS 1.2 service ?
[08:23] <fiyawerx> for printing i believe
[08:23] <gatekeeper> jerry: I have this installed too: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/446/
[08:23] <zorglu1> padi: oh so this is a right management issue. no clue about the answer tho
[08:23] <overlimit> how can u define which modules are loaded at boot time?I mean in slack there is a /etc/rc.d/rc.modules file
[08:24] <gatekeeper> jerry: possible a codec issue
[08:24] <zorglu1> padi: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136818&page=2 <- you are not the only one having this message
[08:25] <sysrpl> is there no linux text editor that supports macro recording?
[08:25] <sysrpl> ?
[08:25] <jerry> what do I save it as or do with it?
[08:26] <zorglu1> sysrpl: emacs support macro
[08:26] <z00m_> overlimit: just goto program menu then select system settings >> system services
[08:27] <jerry> What do I do with mediaplayerconnectivity?
[08:27] <z00m_> anyone send time on securing there computer in here ? if so whats a good firewall to use with this distro ?
[08:27] <gatekeeper> jerry: press 'install now' if you are talking about Mediaplayerconnectivity
[08:27] <jerry> then what
[08:27] <zorglu1> padi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/39484 <- the official issue description
[08:27] <jerry> I did that and it pops up some window
[08:27] <nduwak> hello
[08:28] <gatekeeper> z00m_: iptables comes as standard
[08:28] <padi> oh great
[08:28] <gatekeeper> !iptables
[08:28] <padi> zorglu1: !! thanks
[08:28] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[08:28] <nduwak> I recentlly installed Kubuntu but i cant get the sound while plaing KsCD any help?
[08:28] <sysrpl> geeez emacs is a big set of files to install
[08:29] <hastesaver> sysrpl, but it's worth it ;)
[08:29] <AmazingRuss> emacs makes my teeth ache
[08:29] <gatekeeper> jerry: just say OK to installing it
[08:29] <hastesaver> sysrpl, Emacs (and/or Vim) is the best text-editor there is.
[08:30] <jerry> oh god
[08:30] <sysrpl> well it doesn't work with the gui clipboard very well
[08:30] <jerry> ok I got install.js and install.rdf and chrome
[08:30] <sysrpl> wtf is up with that?
[08:31] <hastesaver> sysrpl, that's sadly true. I've been facing those problems too. In fact, I can copy from Emacs to some apps, and not to others. But klipper takes care of it
[08:31] <gatekeeper> jerry: I am confused?? what are you up to?
[08:32] <jerry> well I clicked on that one thing
[08:32] <sysrpl> where is this macro recording and playback? i dont see it in the menu and it's not mapped to the expected ctrl+shift+r
[08:32] <jerry> mediaplayerconnectivity
[08:32] <jerry> and saved it to the desktop
[08:32] <hastesaver> sysrpl, oh, if it's the first time you're using Emacs, you might as well give up :) All keybindings are weird and different
[08:32] <jerry> oww
[08:32] <sysrpl> gd
[08:32] <padi> should the file /etc/cups/printers.conf be empty?
[08:32] <z00m_> gatekeeper: thanks
[08:33] <hastesaver> I've noticed that if you have klipper running, selecting (or copying) in Emacs shows up in Klipper, but it doesn't paste in the other app unless you click on Klipper and select that text. This is very strange, anyone know the cause of this?
[08:33] <sysrpl> well what normal operating text editor for windows supports macro rrecording and playback ... as well as the clipboard
[08:33] <padi> the bug seems not resolved yet
[08:33] <padi> what a mess
[08:33] <z00m_> gatekeeper: is that terminal based or had it got a GUI ?
[08:33] <gatekeeper> jerry: no go back to the web site and press the 'Install now' URL
[08:33] <z00m_> s/had/has
[08:33] <ChefWill> anyone know where plugins folder for kopete is?
[08:33] <gatekeeper> !iptables
[08:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[08:34] <z00m_> thanks ;)
[08:34] <gatekeeper> z00m_: firestarter is a GUI (there are others) ^ ^
[08:34] <z00m_> so i need to get firestarter
[08:34] <gatekeeper> z00m_: hope you manage to get it to do what you want
[08:34] <z00m_> GUI
[08:35] <dfkjsfd> hello
[08:35] <gatekeeper> z00m_: yep
[08:35] <gatekeeper> z00m_: or another one if you don't like that one e.g. guarddog
[08:35] <z00m_> im on a wifi network and dont want other computers on the network to have access to this computer, block pings and port scans
[08:36] <z00m_> and stealth scans ... :)
[08:36] <morphado> hello anyone know about officall wine channel
[08:36] <hastesaver> sysrpl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors :)
[08:36] <z00m_> :D
[08:36] <jerry> I just want to hear it
[08:36] <zorglu1> morphado: #winehq
[08:37] <hastesaver> sysrpl, you could probably try gedit
[08:37] <sysrpl> i was reading in there before i asked here :)
[08:37] <morphado> thanks guys trying to make my win app working ;)
[08:37] <sysrpl> gedit doesnt do macros accept through scripts
[08:37] <sysrpl> i need macro recording
[08:37] <gatekeeper> z00m_: that's what you want, I haven't played with it myself, but someone said everything is blocked by default and only application that you install open up ports
[08:37] <sysrpl> i'm looking at jedit right now ...
[08:38] <gatekeeper> z00m_: all my PC's sit behind a router which has already got a firewall
[08:38] <z00m_> gatekeeper: it may allow hosts on the network to be trusted, i just wanted to setup one just incase
[08:39] <jerry> couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: content.ytmnd.com
[08:39] <z00m_> network meaning the internal network
[08:39] <gatekeeper> z00m_: ok, you can always go to the test web sites and see what happens
[08:40] <gatekeeper> jerry: that is what you get when you press on the URL?
[08:40] <jerry> ya
[08:40] <guillermo> hola
[08:40] <jerry> holy cow
[08:40] <guillermo> spanish??
[08:40] <z00m_> gatekeeper: We have a router setup with a IDS / firewall built into it, so that will stop the outside attacks to some level. But i wanted to have the hosts on the internal network protected with a firewall too
[08:40] <zorglu1> guillermo: #kubuntu-es seems more what you want :)
[08:40] <guillermo> trank you
[08:41] <gatekeeper> z00m_: good thinking :-)
[08:41] <z00m_> just incase. you can never be too secure !! lol
[08:41] <gatekeeper> z00m_: too true :-)
[08:42] <hastesaver> sysrpl, but seriously, if you're a programmer, you should take a look at [X] Emacs  and [G] Vim. They're very powerful once you learn how to use them. But if your text-editing needs are not much (only occasional), then probably don't bother.
[08:42] <gatekeeper> jerry: if firefox will not let you install add-ins I don't know what to suggest
[08:42] <jerry> gees
[08:43] <jerry> hey how do I add crontab to have it auto update
[08:43] <gatekeeper> jerry: when did you install it?
[08:43] <z00m_> gatekeeper: been using windows for the last few years and im fed up of 1:spyware and 2:being exploited
[08:43] <jerry> adept
[08:43] <z00m_> so i think linux is the best option
[08:44] <gatekeeper> z00m_: join the club :-) one of the motivations I changed, collegues at work said linux rock so I decided to investigate and agree
[08:44] <z00m_> does anyone know if the amd64 build of this distro has any better feature towards security messures. i.e protected memory and so on ?
[08:44] <zorglu1> i run linux only for like 10years, but i was tired of not being exploited :) i installed windows today :)
[08:44] <Eragon> uhh hi guys
[08:44] <zorglu1> it is amazing how delighted i am about this
[08:44] <zorglu1> no idea why :)
[08:45] <z00m_> zorglu1: serious ?
[08:45] <Eragon> im gonna try out kubuntu dual boot now
[08:45] <gatekeeper> jerry: when did you install kubuntu?
[08:45] <Eragon> in kubuntu how do i access my windows files?
[08:45] <Eragon> i just mount the windows drive?
[08:45] <zorglu1> z00m_: yep :) except for my motivation tho :)
[08:45] <jerry> I just did it
[08:46] <morphado> yep eragon
[08:46] <jerry> works cool
[08:46] <blondie> hello
[08:46] <Eragon> ah ok
[08:46] <zorglu1> z00m_: tired of not being exploited" should be replaced by "need to port for stuff on window" :)
[08:46] <z00m_> zorglu1 so did u get exploited alot on linux then ?
[08:46] <Eragon> since i can access all my windows files from linux i dont need that much space allocated to kubuntu right
[08:46] <Eragon> like 2gb is enough?
[08:46] <sysrpl> hastesaver: i am a programmer but prefer ide's like kdevelop, monodevelop, and eclispe
[08:47] <zorglu1> z00m_: nope :) i do like linux :)
[08:47] <zorglu1> sysrpl: which language do you code in ?
[08:47] <Pupeno__> !games
[08:47] <z00m_> i think its hard going from windows to linux its a hard learning curve
[08:47] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:47] <morphado> I am just a new but for the wap partition u need a last the double size of your RAM
[08:47] <sysrpl> hastesaver: free pascal, c#, and java
[08:47] <zorglu1> z00m_: nope :) believe me. linux to window is hard too
[08:47] <gatekeeper> z00m_: how so?
[08:47] <sysrpl> sometimes C++
[08:48] <zorglu1> sysrpl: i do c++ in eclipse... not the best choise tho :)
[08:48] <gatekeeper> sysrpl: people still use pascal woow :-)
[08:48] <zorglu1> sysrpl: i use eclipse because i was used to it when i did some java
[08:48] <z00m_> <<< windows makes life easy, you could setup an server in one click on windows. I think thats why its alwaus being exploited, default setups
[08:48] <zorglu1> i hope the pascal stuff is school stuff :)
[08:49] <sysrpl> pixel the graphics editor is written in free pascal and i am working on a library for that project
[08:49] <sysrpl> but i would very much like a gui integrated text editor for linux like textpad under windows
[08:50] <gatekeeper> z00m_: Installing in linux is usually much easier, try installing Php/Apache/MySql on windows the in linux and you will know what I mean
[08:50] <lied> can someone help with my graph-drivers? i have an geforce mx 460, which driver should install?
[08:50] <sysrpl> for general purpose stuff
[08:50] <zorglu1> z00m_: and you got this people like us to help you. how nice is that ? :)
[08:50] <morphado> why to switch after I love the magic of dual boot
[08:50] <sysrpl> macro recording is a huge feature to me
[08:50] <gatekeeper> z00m_: package manager generally makes life very easy
[08:51] <morphado> gatekeeper yes but for people who has a net access !!!
[08:51] <Eragon> in a dual boot how much space should i allocate to kubuntu so that i can install most of the useful linux software without keeping much data on the linux drive
[08:51] <AmazingRuss> 20 meg should be plenty
[08:51] <Eragon> uhh
[08:51] <AmazingRuss> er gig
[08:51] <gatekeeper> morphado: I surpose so got broadband so I surpose I tend to forget that :-)
[08:51] <AmazingRuss> im old
[08:51] <Eragon> 20gigs
[08:52] <Eragon> hm
[08:52] <Eragon> how about like 4 gigs
[08:52] <zorglu1> ok too :)
[08:52] <z00m_> yea its got easy now compare to what it use to be like, i linux installed before and you had to compile everything /configure  .. blah blah make , then find dependances, i was back on windows within 2 hours
[08:52] <z00m_> :D
[08:52] <sysrpl> god damn this all sucks .... [error]  AWT-EventQueue-3: java.lang.InternalError: Pango: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
[08:52] <AmazingRuss> would do 0 minimum
[08:52] <sysrpl> jedit refuses to run
[08:52] <AmazingRuss> er 8
[08:52] <AmazingRuss> cant type
[08:52] <Eragon> haha
[08:52] <gatekeeper> z00m_: apt-get/synaptic are your friends :-)
[08:53] <zorglu1> z00m_: stick at it, you will love adept :) and its 18000 free apps one click away
[08:53] <Eragon> 8..
[08:53] <Eragon> ok
[08:53] <zorglu1> "18000 free apps one click away" <- nice slogan :)
[08:53] <morphado> eragon for me I allocated 20 giga
[08:53] <gatekeeper> z00m_: zorglu1: hate Adept much prefer CLI or synaptic Adept does my head in :-)
[08:53] <z00m_> yea thats true, i like playing games though so i need windows for that mainly. battle field 2 and ghost recon advanced war
[08:54] <SpAwN> z00m_: if u are looking for a nice easy firewall i suggest ipkungfu.........or if u want a firewall capable of ingress/egress filtering id suggest apf
[08:54] <Eragon> hmmm do you keep much data on the linux drive morphado
[08:54] <jerry> aww
[08:54] <SpAwN> both are cli only....but pretty easy to set up
[08:54] <jerry> I have a question
[08:55] <z00m_> SpAwN: yeah that would be a good one for me so it asks if i want to allow apps to access the outside also
[08:55] <gatekeeper> SpAwN: do both require a good knowledge of iptables?
[08:55] <jerry> Is there a way to setup so that at noon all the packages get updated in adept?
[08:55] <Hawkwind> Ipkungfu doesn't
[08:55] <z00m_> i know on windows there firewall does not ask it just allows out going traffic unless its trying to bind to a port then it asks
[08:56] <SpAwN> z00m_: the apf is a little more advanced......is the computer phisicly in front of you?
[08:56] <SpAwN> gatekeeper: not at all
[08:56] <Hawkwind> jerry: Look into crontab/cronjob
[08:56] <z00m_> yes
[08:56] <jerry> what would I put in there?
[08:56] <jerry> in etc/crontab ?
[08:57] <SpAwN> z00m_: good......when i installed apf.. i accidently blocked everything.....if it was a remote computeri woulda been fucked
[08:57] <z00m_> lol
[08:57] <Hawkwind> jerry: man crontab
[08:57] <Hawkwind> jerry: Or man crontab
[08:57] <Hawkwind> Ermmm, man cronjob
[08:57] <morphado> zoom what is your graphic card, because mine is geforce 6600gt but ghost recon AW quality is low !!
[08:58] <z00m_> morphado: its the geforce 7600 GT by BFG overclocked one
[08:58] <SpAwN> but z00m_ ipkungfu is realy easy to set up and works great...i dont think it does the egress though
[08:59] <bcron> hi
[08:59] <gatekeeper> SpAwN: I will have to have a look at that, read some stuff on iptables but have never really had the time so far to get my head round it all thanx for the tip :-)
[08:59] <SpAwN> z00m_: i got a 7800 GT OC :P
[08:59] <SpAwN> hehe
[08:59] <entropy> could someone help me fix apt-get/dpkg or whatever-it's-called please? I'm new to debian(based) systems and I've broken it. I tried to install setiathome. the install failed. now when i try install *anything* (eg apt-get install foo) it retries the setiathome install which is still failing (it tries to connect to a site during  the install and fails). so i'm now unable to install any new software :( :(
[08:59] <z00m_> SpAwN: good cards aint they
[08:59] <SpAwN> gatekeeper: np man =D
[08:59] <z00m_> ;)
[08:59] <morphado> zoom ok
[08:59] <SpAwN> z00m_: the fucking rock
[08:59] <SpAwN> *they
[09:00] <bcron> I installed xubuntu and then I installed kubuntu-desktop and now I don't have "display" on my desktop configuration
[09:00] <z00m_> morphado: did you download the lastest updates for the game ?
[09:00] <thomas> g' evening guys
[09:01] <bcron> anyone ever see that happen before and/or know how to fix it?
[09:01] <morphado> zoom no man because my copy is cracked so i can't pach it man
[09:01] <omeow> _simian_:  Did you get your problem solved? (Sorry, I was away for a bit)
[09:01] <thomas> is there a tagger for music files which uses allmusic.com for tagging kinda semi-automatically?
[09:01] <z00m_> there is new options for antistropic filtering, plus if you click on advanced option in the graphics section on options you can setup the quality in there, mine is set at medium
[09:01] <gatekeeper> z00m_: I have learnt something from your question all good stuff :-)
[09:02] <omeow> _simian_: I have the cursor switching problem with adept. Not with amarok.
[09:02] <z00m_> gatekeeper: i like secuirty, spend most of my time playing with it :D
[09:03] <gatekeeper> z00m_: you might have to come back and teach me a thing or two :-)
[09:04] <z00m_> im not that clever, I hang the irc.bsrf.co.uk
[09:04] <z00m_> hang in the ^
[09:05] <z00m_> SpAwN: do i need to get some drivers then to get my geforce card running like it should in kubuntu ?
[09:05] <entropy> trying to do 'apt-get --fix-missing' also fails it freezes here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/v2Ny1r32.html
[09:05] <z00m_> entropy: did you sudo ?
[09:05] <jerry> I can't find it
[09:07] <morphado> by guys I have to leave, 1 hour of net access cost me 1 euro, off fuck my net provider
[09:07] <z00m_> morphado: lol ok ;)
[09:07] <z00m_> expensive that is
[09:07] <hastesaver> morphado, wow, and I thought Internet was cheap in Europe (at least in France it is)
[09:08] <morphado> woops who tell i am from france
[09:09] <morphado> actually I am from algeria don't be afraid i am not harmfull ;)
[09:09] <z00m_> entropy: you there ? did you solve the problem ?
[09:09] <sysrpl> what is the terminal deltree type command under linux?
[09:09] <hastesaver> morphado, no, I just meant that I'd heard Internet is very cheap in France, so I assumed (stupidly) that it's cheap in all of Europe (and because you said Euro, I deduced Europe) :)
[09:10] <driz> do I just select how much space i want to run Kubuntu on if i want to dual boot
[09:10] <driz> ?
[09:10] <z00m_> entropy: try this apt-get autoclean
[09:10] <z00m_> that should get rid of that old crap
[09:11] <z00m_> entropy: try this "sudo apt-get autoclean"    << in terminal
[09:11] <gatekeeper> driz: are all your partition(s) NTFS?
[09:11] <morphado> hastesaver i converted to euro as u can understand it actually it's 100 dinars !!
[09:12] <driz> gatekeeper: ya.
[09:12] <z00m_> gatekeeper: do you know much about GFX drivers, where will i get mine for the geforce card for linux ?
[09:12] <z00m_> there site or do i get them from package manager ?
[09:12] <gatekeeper> !nvidia
[09:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:12] <gatekeeper> z00m_: you mean that ^
[09:13] <z00m_> yes that it thanks :)
[09:13] <gatekeeper> driz: if you have a single NTFS partition then defrag it, then shrink and put kubuntu in the shrunken space
[09:15] <gatekeeper> z00m_: good luck off to watch a film :-)
[09:15] <driz> gatekeeper: how would i do that this is for my friend and his on the phone..
[09:16] <gatekeeper> night all catch you latter
[09:16] <driz> oh man
[09:16] <driz> ok later
[09:16] <gatekeeper> driz: not sure
[09:16] <driz> ok
[09:17] <z00m_> gatekeeper: catch you later
[09:17] <z00m_> ;)
[09:17] <gatekeeper> driz: needs to use a suitable piece of software something qtparted (I think that is what it is called)
[09:17] <driz> oh ok thanks
[09:18] <gatekeeper> driz: good luck :-) others should be able to help you
[09:23] <sysrpl> i am instaling eclipse to get an editor with macro support
[09:24] <Jeff_> can someone tell me why a super krumba theme would be totaly transparent on the desktop?
[09:24] <omeow> sysrpl: Out of curiousity, what do you use macro's for?
[09:24] <z00m_>  cool
[09:24] <Jeff_> coll to the point of being invisable i mean
[09:25] <omeow> *macros =P
[09:26] <Jeff_> anyone?
[09:26] <gioacchino> how to use the profile of portable thunderbird ( windows )  on thunderbird ( linux )  ?
[09:27] <omeow> http://www.google.com/search?&q=how+to+use+the+profile+of+portable+thunderbird+(+windows+)+on+thunderbird+(+linux+)
[09:27] <omeow> (might need to select the link since konversation 0.19 has issues with it)
[09:27] <z00m_> brb
[09:28] <omeow> Jeff_: Sorry, I don't know.
[09:32] <usp8riot> Jeff_: i don't there is a way, it seems to be a glitch with transparency
[09:33] <usp8riot> i just now turned my transparency off, seems too glitchy
[09:34] <thomas> !mysql
[09:34] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:34] <yango> hello... I upgraded to 6.06 and I cannot use Konqueror to download images from my camera
[09:34] <yango> In breezy I could easily
[09:39] <star> hey guys
[09:40] <star> i mounted my ntfs drive so i could view the files on it, but it is refusing to load my folders that have spaces in them... how can i load these folders?
[09:41] <star> any clue?
[09:41] <yango> are you cd'ing to them, or using konqueror?
[09:41] <star> cd'ng
[09:42] <Knag> hi there
[09:42] <dr_willis> cd  'spaces are here'
[09:42] <Kwukki> hello
[09:42] <Kwukki> i seek a program like publisher, but for linux
[09:42] <Kwukki> someone an idea?
[09:42] <zorglu1> Kwukki: scribus ?
[09:42] <zorglu1> http://www.scribus.net/
[09:43] <Kwukki> lets take a look
[09:45] <zorglu1> i dont even know what is publisher :)
[09:45] <z00m_> quick question where do i edit my repository file for apt-get
[09:45] <zorglu1> so tell me what you think and if scribus is close to publisher :)
[09:46] <Kwukki> hehe
[09:46] <zorglu1> z00m_: kate /etc/apt/somethingidontremember :)
[09:46] <zorglu1> source.lst ?
[09:47] <zorglu1> z00m_: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic <- to automatically generate the source file
[09:47] <Kwukki> zorglu1: very good
[09:47] <z00m_> thanks
[09:47] <Kwukki> we want to create a small magazine
[09:47] <zorglu1> Kwukki: nice to hear :)
[09:48] <zorglu1> Kwukki: the first headline should be 'zorglu1 is a great guy' :)(
[09:48] <Kwukki> k
[09:48] <Kwukki> i'll post it on the website too ;-)
[09:48] <zorglu1> cool :)
[09:50] <star> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it
[09:50] <star> anyclue?
[09:50] <star> sorry guys im a super newbie to linux
[09:50] <star> so bare with me
[09:50] <dr_willis> ya got more then one apt program going at the same time   perhaps.
[09:50] <dr_willis> like synaptic, then you run apt-get in the shell.
[09:50] <star> im so dumb
[09:50] <Knag> lol
[09:51] <qbit> what's the trick to get amarok to work?
[09:51] <qbit> I have as yet to ever see this work
[09:51] <zorglu1> star: check what dr_willis said. else they are some cases in which this message got triggered for other reasons
[09:51] <star> he was right
[09:51] <z00m_> zorglu1: its in the /etc/apt/sources.list for future reference ;)
[09:51] <star> i just felt so dumb i didn't reply
[09:51] <zorglu1> ok cool :)
[09:51] <dr_willis> :)
[09:51] <zorglu1> z00m_: ok noted :)
[09:52] <Kwukki> zorglu1 : how can i change thefooter of 1 of the templates?
[09:52] <dr_willis> yea the use of 'process' when they could be saying 'program' may  make that message a little more clear.
[09:52] <zorglu1> Kwukki: hmm i never even run the scribus, just know it by reputation :) which is quite good btw :)
[09:52] <star> you guys are big helps
[09:52] <star> i figured you guys would just be smartasses and make me feel stupid
[09:52] <star> lol
[09:53] <Kwukki> k
[09:53] <star> i am having some issues installing ubuntu from my live cd
[09:53] <star> brb and i can get my error code if you guys think you can help
[09:53] <star> it install but then didnt boot
[09:53] <zorglu1> Kwukki: there is a #scribus btw :) they may know a lot more than me :)
[09:54] <Knag> qbit: what happens with you amarok?
[09:54] <Kwukki> k
[09:54] <Kwukki> thx
[09:54] <z00m_> yey sorted it out now, i got more packages :D
[09:54] <qbit> Knag: it just jumps straight to "Playlist finished" without actually doing anything
[09:54] <Knag> oh
[09:54] <qbit> KNag: XMMS works fine, as well as system sounds
[09:55] <Knag> i dunno, i'm new to (k)ubuntu :D
[09:55] <roadrunner> Alright, I have a retarded question... Im new to linux and am not too sure how to install things. I have done it before, but I can't seem to install a game (Xmoto) could someone walk me through it real quick?
[09:55] <z00m_> zorglu1: do you know or anyone else in here how to install the GFX card drivers for geforce cards ? can i do with apt-get ?
[09:55] <ChefWill> qbit: what engine are you using?
[09:55] <zorglu1> z00m_: nope. sorry
[09:55] <dr_willis> !nvidia
[09:55] <qbit> I've tried it with the xine and the arts engine
[09:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:56] <ChefWill> try xine
[09:56] <ChefWill> and re-add all your songs
[09:56] <roadrunner> I just re-downloaded the tar.gz file... so, could someone help me?
[09:56] <ChefWill> roadrunner:
[09:56] <ChefWill> tar zvfx file.tar.gz
[09:56] <ChefWill> then read the INSTALL file
[09:56] <zorglu1> such apps should be properly installed by default
[09:56] <roadrunner> I did read the install file
[09:57] <roadrunner> and it simply says to apt-get install xmoto
[09:57] <roadrunner> when I do that, it downloads the 1.10 version... I want to install the new 1.16 version (I think thats it)
[09:57] <SpAwN> z00m_: yes u need drivers
[09:57] <zorglu1> roadrunner: ok try "./configure" in the directory which have been created when you untared
[09:58] <z00m_> SpAwN: can i get them from apt-get ?
[09:58] <SpAwN> z00m_: u can use the ones provided by kubuntu ....there called "nvidia-glx" i think
[09:58] <SpAwN> z00m_: yes
[09:58] <z00m_> buzzing ;)
[09:58] <ChefWill> roadrunner:  install from cvs
[09:58] <z00m_> im scrolling a web page and its chpping like mad
[09:58] <z00m_> chopping^
[09:58] <SpAwN> z00m_: i had a few probs with them......everyone said i was crazy.....so if u have any probs u can find me here and i walk u through manualy installing them
[09:58] <roadrunner> what is CVS?
[09:58] <z00m_> ok thanks SpAwN
[09:59] <SpAwN> z00m_: yea the stock "nv" driver wouldnt even work for me...i had to use "vesa"
[09:59] <SpAwN> and was quite choppy
[09:59] <roadrunner> it says I have: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:59] <roadrunner> however, I know I have the newest GCC package and other C/C++ compilers installed
[09:59] <ninHer> hi all
[09:59] <SpAwN> z00m_: i use this nick and rOOb......
[09:59] <zorglu1> !build-essantial
[09:59] <ubotu> I know nothing about build-essantial
[10:00] <zorglu1> 	nunit_res_t	closestnode(const nunit_testclass_ftor_t &testclass_ftor)		throw();
[10:00] <zorglu1> no not that :)
[10:00] <zorglu1> !build-essential
[10:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:00] <SpAwN> z00m_: also type "!nvidia" in here...... it will give u step by step directions....
[10:00] <zorglu1> roadrunner: goto the build essential i just got from the bot
[10:01] <zorglu1> roadrunner: it will explain to you how to get a 'GCC
[10:01] <roadrunner> I have tried installing stuff that way... it doesn't work
[10:01] <roadrunner> and I just told you, I have GCC
[10:01] <zorglu1> damn i wasnt concentrating
[10:01] <zorglu1> sorry
[10:01] <roadrunner> gcc 4.0 I believe
[10:01] <roadrunner> and I know I have some other C/C++ compilers, as my Nvidia drivers needed them to install
[10:01] <SpAwN> roadrunner: build-essential gave me everything i need to compile stuff.....what are u trying to get done?
[10:01] <zorglu1> roadrunner: 'gcc -version' provides an answer ?
[10:01] <star> hey guys what is srub 1.5?
[10:02] <roadrunner> for some reason, when I do the apt-get install x-moto it downloads the 0.1.10 version, not the 0.1.16
[10:02] <omeow> roadrunner: You don't generally need gcc to install nvidia drivers.
[10:02] <SpAwN> roadrunner: u installed build-essential? and the nvidia driver wont install right?
[10:02] <omeow> Not on kubuntu in any case.
[10:02] <roadrunner> SpAwN: Im not talking about installing drivers... I was just stating that is when I got the compiler
[10:02] <zorglu1> hehe the roadrunner issue is about installing xmoto 1.16 from source
[10:03] <SpAwN> roadrunner: oh k
[10:03] <SpAwN> roadrunner: u cant use apt-get to install it?
[10:03] <roadrunner> omeow: I also know that now... but I was just doing what my prompt told me to do as I tried to install the drivers. It didn't work anyways, someone else helped me install those
[10:03] <star> when it tries to load, it said srub 1.5 error
[10:03] <zorglu1> roadrunner: dont worry sometime we are more focused than that :)
[10:03] <roadrunner> SpAwN: Like I said, I try it, and then it downloads an old version 0.1.10, when the new version I want is 0.1.16
[10:04] <SpAwN> roadrunner: and u defiantly need the 0.1.16?
[10:04] <zorglu1> roadrunner: ok 'gcc -version' provides an answer ?
[10:04] <roadrunner> I never said that... but it would be nice wouldn't it? Who doesnt like updated games with more features?
[10:04] <usp8riot> anyone know how to use whois in the console? other words, i need an ip, just bored and trying to surf the web in the console
[10:04] <SpAwN> roadrunner: i read somwhere that u might need to use a command silliler to like "export CC=GCC" or somthing like that....i never had to do it...but i remember seeing a article on it
[10:04] <zorglu1> roadrunner: well about game, have you tried tremulous ? tremulous.net ?
[10:05] <roadrunner> zorglu1: says command not found
[10:05] <zorglu1> roadrunner: way more sexy than xboto
[10:05] <roadrunner> zorglu1: however, when I check in Adpet, it says gcc is installed
[10:05] <zorglu1> roadrunner: this is your problem :)
[10:05] <zorglu1> roadrunner: so it is a path issue
[10:05] <zorglu1> roadrunner: do
[10:05] <zorglu1> roadrunner: do 'locate gcc'
[10:05] <z00m_> SpAwn: "!nvidia" in the app-get ?
[10:05] <SpAwN> no in here
[10:05] <omeow> roadrunner: Well, in kubuntu you just install nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules via adept and are done with it. No compiling needed.
[10:05] <SpAwN> !nvidia
[10:05] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <SpAwN> ^^
[10:05] <z00m_> oh right :D
[10:05] <SpAwN> =D
[10:06] <roadrunner> omeow: We aren't talking about drivers... I have my drivers properly installed now XD
[10:06] <zorglu1> omeow: roadrunner problem is not about nvidia :) but about xmoto 1.16 compilation :)
[10:06] <roadrunner> omeow: I was merely making a reference to when I did install them, no worries
[10:06] <star> no one know the issue im having?
[10:06] <omeow> Ah ok, sorry. :) Just thought you were still going on about drivers.
[10:06] <z00m_> well im going to try then nvidia-glx drivers now
[10:06] <zorglu1> roadrunner: so locate gcc ?
[10:06] <SpAwN> zorglu1:
[10:06] <SpAwN> wait
[10:06] <zorglu1> star: retransmit ?
[10:06] <roadrunner> zorglu1: I did that, there is a ton of output... what part do you need?
[10:06] <zorglu1> SpAwN: ?
[10:07] <zorglu1> roadrunner: to know if it find gcc :)
[10:07] <SpAwN> z00m_: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf .working
[10:07] <SpAwN> z00m_: then if the drivers dont work
[10:07] <star> zorglu1:  I installed ubuntu and it installed fine, but when I try to boot it, it gives me an error like SRUB 1.5 error
[10:07] <zorglu1> roadrunner: but this mean gcc is like there
[10:07] <roadrunner> I dunno... I typed in locate gcc and there are a crapload of output... paths to the gcc installs I would assume
[10:07] <zorglu1> star: never heard of it orry
[10:07] <z00m_> SpAwN: thanks thats good advice
[10:07] <SpAwN> all u have to do is mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.working /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:08] <SpAwN> then restart x
[10:08] <SpAwN> z00m_: ive learneed the hardway =D
[10:08] <roadrunner> 4.0, 3.4, and 3.3 are all installed it looks like
[10:08] <zorglu1> roadrunner: ok i boot a ubuntu to see :)
[10:08] <z00m_> i was just going to install and keep my finger crossed ... lol
[10:08] <star> ill reinstall then
[10:08] <SpAwN> z00m_: well theres plan B
[10:08] <SpAwN> =D
[10:08] <Jeff_> can someone tell me why a super krumba theme would be transparant, on the desktop
[10:09] <Jeff_> star--you sure thats not grub
[10:09] <star> lol maybe it was grub
[10:09] <usp8riot> is there a way to surf the web in the konsole?
[10:10] <zorglu1> roadrunner: ok do "echo $PATH" and paste the result it
[10:10] <z00m_> im well impressed with this kubuntu so far... love it :D
[10:10] <zorglu1> roadrunner: those are the default path in which executable are search
[10:10] <zorglu1> ed
[10:11] <z00m_> thats untill i can't start the Xserver ... lol
[10:11] <zorglu1> roadrunner: still here ?
[10:11] <usp8riot> same here z00m, i booted to windows today after a week of using kubuntu and told myself it's time to go back home
[10:11] <roadrunner> yeah
[10:11] <roadrunner> sorry
[10:11] <roadrunner> "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[10:12] <z00m_> usp8riot: i think the only reason im going to go back to windows is to play the odd game that i buy, thats it
[10:12] <zorglu1> roadrunner: this doesnt not make sense... gcc is supposed to be in /usr/bin
[10:12] <z00m_> dual boot setup
[10:12] <zorglu1> roadrunner: do "ls -l /usr/bin/gcc*"
[10:12] <Jeff_> linux is not ready to be the main desktop for most users
[10:12] <zorglu1> roadrunner: what do you see
[10:13] <SpAwN> i installed windows then mandriva linux....never booted to windows.....used mandriva for like 5-6 months.....and now running kubuntu....and i still have a fresh install of windows then ive never been booted to
[10:13] <z00m_> SpAwN: the drivers are installed now what do i have to do in the terminal restartx ?
[10:13] <roadrunner> nothing
[10:13] <SpAwN> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:13] <roadrunner> nothing at all... and my prompt is now just a >
[10:14] <roadrunner> just a sex
[10:14] <roadrunner> sec*
[10:14] <roadrunner> uhg
[10:14] <roadrunner> can't type at all
[10:14] <zorglu1> roadrunner: sorry i have to go. but it is why you have this 'no gcc' message while compiling xmoto
[10:14] <sysrpl> i give up. i can't find a single text editor on linux that has the same basic macro recording capabilities as textpad, ultraedit, word, vs.net, and borland ides on windows
[10:14] <z00m_> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:14] <z00m_> without loggin out ?
[10:14] <SpAwN> z00m_: yea that should start it?
[10:14] <roadrunner> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 93584 2006-04-20 18:22 /usr/bin/gcc-4.0
[10:14] <roadrunner> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16245 2006-04-20 18:13 /usr/bin/gccbug-4.0
[10:14] <SpAwN> wait zoom how ddi u do it
[10:14] <roadrunner> there... that's what that said...
[10:15] <roadrunner> zorglu1: Does that help you at all?
[10:15] <SpAwN> z00m_: u used apt-getet right?
[10:15] <zorglu1> roadrunner: no plain gcc ? without -40 ?
[10:15] <SpAwN> *apt-get
[10:15] <zorglu1> roadrunner: yep
[10:15] <roadrunner> that's all it said
[10:15] <z00m_> i just install the files from Adept Manager
[10:15] <SpAwN> z00m_: ahh k
[10:15] <z00m_> is that cool ?
[10:15] <SpAwN> z00m_: "ctrl alt backspace"
[10:15] <roadrunner> zorglu1: so do I need to install something more?
[10:15] <SpAwN> z00m_: yes
[10:15] <z00m_> ok
[10:15] <z00m_> brb
[10:15] <SpAwN> k
[10:15] <z00m_> logout ?
[10:15] <z00m_> then back in ?
[10:15] <zorglu1> roadrunner: i dunno i think it is just an install glitch. you need to tell xboto to use gcc-4.0
[10:16] <star> is there anything you can do in windows but not in kubuntu?
[10:16] <SpAwN> ctrl alt backspace restarts the x server
[10:16] <zorglu1> roadrunner: like CC=gcc-4.0 or CXX=gcc-4.0
[10:16] <SpAwN> z00m_: it should dropp u at the login screen
[10:16] <z00m_> oh right im pressing ctrl alt del here like a wintendo kid
[10:16] <zorglu1> roadrunner: ok im going now. good luck :)
[10:16] <z00m_> :d
[10:16] <SpAwN> lol
[10:16] <z00m_> brb
[10:18] <SpAwN> z00m: in a konsole type "glxinfo | grep render"
[10:18] <z00m> seems to be still working
[10:19] <SpAwN> z00m: did u see a nvidia logo?
[10:19] <Mortalman> kubuntu never asked me to provide a root password.....   so what is it by default?
[10:19] <z00m> no logo
[10:19] <ChefWill> your user pass Mortalman
[10:19] <SpAwN> Mortalman: there is no root
[10:19] <SpAwN> !root
[10:19] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:19] <SpAwN> z00m: realy u didnt see alogo?
[10:19] <Hawkwind> Mortalman: You can however setup a traditional root account
[10:20] <SpAwN> what does that command say z00m
[10:20] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Not everyone will see the Nvidia logo
[10:20] <z00m> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:20] <z00m> many more line
[10:20] <user->  there is no root?
[10:20] <z00m> many more lines
[10:20] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: ahh was un aware of that
[10:20] <dr_willis> often the nvidia logo flashes on/off to fast to see. :P
[10:20] <z00m> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[10:20] <user->  wut is alt f1  login; root ?
[10:20] <SpAwN> z00m: did u foloow the set up step by step?
[10:20] <Mortalman> Hawkwind: I would love to set up a traditional root account. How would I go about doing that if I'm not root. lol
[10:20] <Hawkwind> Mortalman: sudo passwd
[10:20] <z00m> on that link ?
[10:20] <user->  lol
[10:20] <Hawkwind> Mortalman: Then enter the sudo password, then create a root password and then verify it
[10:21] <user->  use a rescue disk and set the root pw
[10:21] <z00m> no i just downloaded the drivers and installed them and hit crtl alt bakcspace
[10:21] <SpAwN> z00m: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[10:21] <user->  chroot /dev/hdax
[10:21] <Hawkwind> user-: No need
[10:21] <user->   right
[10:21] <Hawkwind> user-: sudo passwd  does that for you
[10:21] <user->  blah
[10:22] <z00m> SpAwN: mine is a PCI express card will that make any difference
[10:22] <user->   i wanna know the root pw
[10:22] <SpAwN> k z00m  u also need to install linux-restricted-modulesfor your kernel version
[10:22] <user->  sue me
[10:22] <Hawkwind> user-: You create it
[10:22] <SpAwN> z00m: nope...i also have a pci-e
[10:22] <Hawkwind> That's what that command does
[10:23] <z00m> linux-restricted-modules in the apt-get ?
[10:23] <SpAwN> z00m: do this....in a terminal type "uname -r" what ever numbers that gives you is the kernel version u are using
[10:23] <z00m> 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic
[10:24] <SpAwN> z00m: then open adept and search for linux-restricted-modules
[10:24] <SpAwN> z00m: there will be several diff ones there....make sure u pick the one that matches your kernel version
[10:25] <z00m> ok
[10:26] <z00m> SpAwN: it says that they are already installed ?
[10:26] <SpAwN> z00m: oh k do this now "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[10:27] <SpAwN> z00m: once u run that command u *should* be good to go
[10:27] <z00m> ok got the message that a backup has been made and "
[10:27] <z00m> Warning: your X configuration has been succesfully changed.
[10:27] <z00m> In order to take full advantage of the changes, X needs to
[10:27] <z00m> be restarted.
[10:28] <z00m> restart now then hey ;)
[10:28] <SpAwN> z00m: ctrl alt backspace
[10:28] <z00m> thanks for this help
[10:28] <z00m> brb
[10:28] <SpAwN> z00m: np
[10:29] <z00m_> yes it worked ;)
[10:29] <SpAwN> z00m_: good stuff
[10:30] <z00m_> thanks SpAwN
[10:30] <babble> hi all :)
[10:30] <babble> (newbie questions are okay?)
[10:30] <z00m_> it that it then now ?
[10:30] <apokryphos> babble: no!!
[10:30] <babble> hehe
[10:30] <apokryphos> =)
[10:31] <apokryphos> babble: all kubuntu-related questions are of course welcome :)
[10:31] <SpAwN> z00m_: yea for the driver u will be all set till either A: a kernel update or B: a xorg update
[10:31] <SpAwN> z00m_: then all u have to is that again....but its realy easy
[10:31] <babble> hehe. :)
[10:31] <SpAwN> babble: we arnt mind readers so out with the qeustion!
[10:31] <babble> can I configure Konq. to open a given folder (home, or any arbitrary location) in something other than icon view?
[10:32] <z00m_> SpAwN: yea it not to bad when u got someone talking you through it, thanks again for that ;) .... i have a ! mark in the bottom right saying there are 53 upgradable files
[10:32] <babble> ideally, I need per-folder views to be different for any given place.
[10:33] <SpAwN> z00m_: upgrade then =D
[10:33] <z00m_> :) 53 ...
[10:33] <z00m_> man i onyl downloaded the distro today
[10:33] <SpAwN> babble: i dont know how to do that maby ask in #kde
[10:33] <z00m_> only
[10:33] <babble> thanks tho :)
[10:34] <z00m_> well im downloading them anyways
[10:34] <SpAwN> z00m_: ahh 1st thing i do after a install is update it
[10:36] <z00m_> SpAwN: had a dad time today with my 250GB usb drive, i was running windows and thats why now im going to linux. I had something on my computer no anti virus was detecting it but i kept getting DEP warnings from .exe files that I never had them on before, so i know something was playing around with them.
[10:38] <z00m_> bad^
[10:38] <SpAwN> z00m_: yea there are some truly nasty little works for windows
[10:38] <SpAwN> *worms
[10:39] <z00m_> after trying to install windows again, i selected to delete partition on the wrong drive through rushing, my 250gb one with everything i had backed up on it
[10:39] <SpAwN> z00m_: been there....only it was a 120 gig
[10:39] <SpAwN> external
[10:39] <z00m_> thought to myself thats it windows is going for sure!
[10:40] <z00m_> mines a external 250gb drive USB
[10:40] <SpAwN> nice
[10:40] <SpAwN> i have a 250 internal and a120 external
[10:40] <dr_willis> thats barely enough for my err.. vacation pics.. :P
[10:40] <z00m_> all the CD's i had around the house i bined and put them on that drive so now i have nothing :(
[10:41] <SpAwN> the external is sooooooo handy for storing rare movies/music...stuff im afraid i could deldte
[10:41] <z00m_> dr_willis: lol
[10:41] <SpAwN> dr_willis: llol
[10:41] <SpAwN> my goal is to have at least a half TB
[10:41] <z00m_> dr_willis: you got them saved as .BMP's  lol
[10:42] <SpAwN> z00m_: i think he was being sarcastic.............
[10:42] <dr_willis> Heck i got like 8gb of just wallpaper pics ive collected over the last few years
[10:42] <z00m_> i know yeah
[10:42] <z00m_> :D
[10:42] <SpAwN> lol
[10:43] <z00m_> my drive was PGP encrypted with the HOLE disk option also, so i think there is noway to restore the partition on it :(
[10:44] <SpAwN> hehe im to lazy to encrypt a drive
[10:44] <dr_willis> 0_o now what kind of videos would ya bother to encrypt? ......
[10:44] <dr_willis> Now they will get ya for destruction of evidence
[10:44] <Howitzer> Does anyone here have any basic knowledge about bash (scripting)?
[10:44] <z00m_> o_O   :    No there was a few handy tools on there and loads of games and magic videos and stuff
[10:45] <SpAwN> z00m_: maby u could try knoppix-std its geared toward forensics and recovery/black hat
[10:45] <SpAwN> Howitzer: #bash probly does
[10:45] <Howitzer> oh
[10:45] <Howitzer> ty SpAwN :D
[10:45] <SpAwN> Howitzer: np
[10:46] <jerry> I have a question
[10:46] <SpAwN> dr_willis: so if u have a encrypted drive and somehow someone needs the shit in it....they could get u for that?
[10:46] <jerry> hello
[10:46] <SpAwN> someone as in the law
[10:46] <jerry> I have a question
[10:47] <SpAwN> jerry: we dont read minds
[10:47] <jerry> about Mail - Contact
[10:47] <z00m_> SpAwN: I could try to restore them but most of the stuff is for windows and if i do restore it within a week or so, ill get some spyware that will wipe it again or something.   Im not going to bother
[10:47] <bluesceada> hi
[10:47] <jerry> it won't check my email and keeps poping up with errors
[10:47] <bluesceada> i have a problem...
[10:47] <SpAwN> ahh k z00m_
[10:47] <bluesceada> somehow kubuntu uses a buggy trident driver
[10:48] <jerry> I used aol.com
[10:48] <jerry> but it says can not connect to aim.com
[10:48] <bluesceada> some game says, it cant allocate memory or so
[10:48] <bluesceada> and another thing is that the tft display on the laptop is moved to the right by 2 or 3 pixels
[10:48] <dr_willis> i saw a case the other day. a guy got fired.. so he formated his work laptop and reinstalled it to defaults.. then returned it..
[10:48] <bluesceada> so i have 2/3 black lines at the left and 2/3 lines missing at the right
[10:48] <bluesceada> :/
[10:49] <jerry> and it is a imap server
[10:49] <dr_willis> the company wanted to scan it for evidence of him doing 'things' so they charged him with destroying evidence. :P but not sure wht the crime was. lol
[10:49] <jerry> I have a question
[10:49] <z00m_> lol
[10:49] <bluesceada> anyone knows how to use another, maybe newer xorg trident driver??
[10:49] <z00m_> dr_willis: he should have said what evidence !!
[10:49] <SpAwN> dr_willis: id be pissed
[10:50] <z00m_> they got no way to prove it
[10:50] <jerry> Does anyone know how to get it so that at 2PM it downloads all the updated packages
[10:50] <dr_willis> yea - im not sure if the WHOLE sotory came out.. i just rember that bit.
[10:50] <jerry> for adept
[10:51] <jerry> Is there something I can put in /etc/crontab that will do that?
[10:52] <z00m_> saying that though i think if they want to see what is / was on the harddrive it is possible to restore files from 10 formats ago, so thats why i use encryption on all the files!
[10:53] <dr_willis> that implies you could store 10x the data on a hd...
[10:54] <SpAwN> how can i use apt-get to automaticly dl updates?..i want to set up a cron job to auto update it
[10:54] <jerry> Does anyone know how to do that?
[10:54] <z00m_> thats how these shredder programs work, what they do is then write over the file data with 000000 and 111111.   about 30 times per file so it makes it harder to restore if not impossible
[10:54] <jerry> I have the same question that SpAwN has
[10:54] <SpAwN> z00m_: shred for linux is supposed to work good
[10:54] <SpAwN> Jeff_:
[10:55] <jerry> how can i use apt-get to automaticaly dl updates? I want to set up a cron job to auto update it
[10:55] <SpAwN> * jerry im new to kubuntu and apt-get
[10:55] <jerry> me too
[10:55] <jerry> I just got this computer from them about a week ago
[10:55] <jerry> They gave me free 3 yr techsupport but only 100 sessions left and I'd rather not use them all until I have big problems like the computer not turning on
[10:56] <SpAwN> ijust installed kubuntu like a week ag o many
[10:56] <jerry> but these people are very friendly and helpful
[10:56] <jerry> I think the main people are off shift right now
[10:56] <dr_willis> ive never notiuced  ubuntu having any auto-download & update feature.
[10:56] <dr_willis> not sure if any other distros do that either.
[10:56] <SpAwN> dr_willis: it would be easy enough to make a simple bash script to do it
[10:56] <dr_willis> i think RH may
[10:57] <chun_> yea you can make a cron job
[10:57] <SpAwN> dr_willis: on mandriva i made a bash script to auto update every day at 6am
[10:57] <dr_willis> but is it really that needed. :)
[10:57] <jerry> right now I have 13 updates I need
[10:57] <SpAwN> chun_: do u know how to use apt-get to update?
[10:57] <jerry> I don't really care to do this every day
[10:57] <SpAwN> dr_willis: it is nice to have
[10:57] <jerry> yesderday it seemed like 6
[10:58] <jerry> tomorrow it will probably be another 6
[10:58] <dr_willis> untill theres a update that breaks somthing. :P
[10:58] <SpAwN> dr_willis: on mandriva that rarly happened...wost thing was x wouldnt start back up....i d neeed to reinstall the driver..took all of 2 mins
[10:58] <chun_> i haven't tried it yet, but you  can probably use kchron and have the commands be:
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> dr_willis: cups has been updated from dapper-updates
[10:59] <driz> I need to dual boot kubuntu on my friends NTFS windows. anyone please help.
[10:59] <chun_> apt-get -y update; apt-get -y upgrade
[10:59] <driz> he defragmented but he doesnt know what to do.
[10:59] <SpAwN> chun_: just what i need to know big thanks =D
[10:59] <chun_> no prob =)
[11:01] <jimmy__> I have a hardware question for the masses
[11:01] <jimmy__> can I do that here?
[11:01] <dr_willis> Go for iit!
[11:01] <jimmy__> cool
[11:02] <scott> hey, does google earth (native) cause hardlocks for anyone else using an ati and fglrx drivers?
[11:02] <jimmy__> I have a motherboard that has power running to it
[11:02] <jimmy__> led light is on and everything
[11:02] <jimmy__> but the pc wont power up
[11:02] <jimmy__> no lights on the case
[11:03] <jimmy__> no fans turn
[11:03] <jimmy__> dead in the water
[11:03] <jimmy__> not the PSU
[11:03] <jimmy__> and the memery works
[11:05] <jimmy__> come on.... there ought to be someone out there with any idea
[11:06] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: would u like me to post a auto update script for kubuntu on lfd?
[11:06] <Knag> hey
[11:06] <dr_willis> no beeps?
[11:06] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Sure, if you have one.  That would be awesome
[11:07] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: I need to start getting more Kubuntu/Ubuntu stuff on the LFD forums.  Majority of it is Mandriva related
[11:07] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: i will try and write up a little howto/script tonight...i have the script now....but will write up a littel somthing on it
[11:07] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: yea i saw
[11:07] <jimmy__> no beeps
[11:08] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Kewl.  If you'll post it then I'll edit it later if need be to pretty it up :)
[11:08] <jimmy__> all you hear is the click of the power switch
[11:09] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: here it is ....just used the old mandriva one...changed it a bit http://pastebin.ca/82698
[11:09] <jimmy__> fans dont even jerk from the effort to turn on
[11:09] <_simian_> i've got 2 ubuntu (kubuntu) machine on my network. 1 has a document that i want to edit from another machine. but when i try to open it openoffice loads and then closes again
[11:10] <jimmy__> I'm thinking that I'm down to the CPU or the motherboard being bad
[11:10] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: Kewl.  Pretty simply, but makes it easy
[11:10] <dr_willis> jimmy__,  that almost sounds like part of the PS may be bad.
[11:10] <dr_willis> i think if ya take out the cpu. the mb will beep at ya.
[11:10] <jimmy__> not the PSU
[11:10] <jimmy__> just replaced it
[11:11] <dr_willis> when in doubt Prove it. :P try a nother  PSU
[11:11] <jimmy__> I even tested my old one and its good
[11:11] <dr_willis> double check the conectors on the mb.
[11:11] <dr_willis> tripple check everything. :P
[11:11] <jimmy__> checked it more that 4x
[11:11] <dr_willis> then start swapping out bits.
[11:11] <SpAwN> Hawkwind: yea very basic
[11:11] <jimmy__> swpped out everything except CPU and mb
[11:12] <dr_willis> i would strip the thing down to just the cpu and mb. and ram /video card
[11:12] <MehAdult> jimmy__: Did you try shorting the 2 pins that control powering the mobo?
[11:12] <jimmy__> I need another mb that takes 939 pin cpu (it's 64 bit)
[11:13] <gatekeeper> evening all
[11:13] <dr_willis> If you are not getting any Beeps from the POST test.. that sounds like the CPU may be dead.
[11:13] <jerry> super
[11:13] <jimmy__> hmmm
[11:13] <jimmy__> gotcha
[11:14] <jerry> the whole system is lagging I have no idea why
[11:15] <MehAdult> jerry: What are your CPU usage, memory, and swap usage?
[11:16] <jerry> how do I find that out?
[11:16] <MehAdult> top is a good utility
[11:16] <jerry> well now it's saying that I have 5 updates
[11:16] <jerry> how many updates did I say I had before?
[11:17] <MehAdult> Updates? Huh?
[11:17] <jerry> 16
[11:17] <jerry> I think
[11:17] <MehAdult> Are you trying to update your system or something?
[11:17] <jerry> ya
[11:17] <jerry> well the crontab worked for the most part
[11:18] <jerry> I have a question
[11:18] <MehAdult> So do I. My question is...
[11:18] <jerry> What exactly are these card ports on the front of my computer good for?
[11:18] <MehAdult> Why is the sky blue? :p
[11:18] <MehAdult> jerry: What kind of ports are they?
[11:18] <jerry> reflection on the earth
[11:18] <dr_willis> Difraction of the air.
[11:19] <dr_willis> :P
[11:19] <dr_willis> its not blue.. its just how you see it. :)
[11:19] <jerry> it's actually reflecting the earth color
[11:19] <dr_willis> its actually hot pink.
[11:19] <MrSquiddy> join #hottub
[11:19] <MehAdult> Or not...
[11:19] <jerry> anyway
[11:20] <MehAdult> What kind of port is it?
[11:20] <jerry> I have no idea what those 16 updates were but atleast I won't have to see them anymore
[11:20] <jerry> It's one of those card slots
[11:20] <sotired> my sound has stopped working in some games, and some games only play certian sounds. can someone help me fix this?
[11:20] <jerry> I have two of them
[11:20] <MehAdult> Dunno
[11:20] <jerry> ones a big fat one and the other is like a smaller slot
[11:21] <user->  situred:  get windows
[11:21] <sotired> ha no
[11:21] <sotired> they all worked...then suddenly stopped
[11:21] <sotired> im not going back to win...id rather have someone show me hwo to fix this
[11:21] <MehAdult> sotired: It might be a conflict.
[11:21] <jerry> well one looks like the slot for one of those camera picture cards
[11:21] <mad_slackie> a good night to all ladies and gentlemans!
[11:22] <MehAdult> Sometimes it can conflict, esp. if a game doesn't know how to use arts
[11:22] <jerry> and I have no floppy drive
[11:22] <jerry> anymore
[11:22] <MehAdult> jerry: You said it was a media reader for like digital cameras?
[11:22] <Jefis> hi, i have some situation here, i try to isntall kubuntu, and setup crashes, at detecting hardware
[11:22] <jerry> something like thayt
[11:22] <Jefis> trying third time
[11:22] <jerry> it's got this one that looks like it could fit something with pins on it
[11:22] <z00m_> is there a skype for linux ?
[11:22] <jerry> I'll count them
[11:23] <Jefis> z00m_: jes, there is
[11:23] <sotired> mehadult: so what do i do? on a sidenote the apps that arent working are not running in wine, they are native linux games
[11:23] <MehAdult> z00m_: You betcha!
[11:23] <z00m_> thanks
[11:23] <jerry> maybe 100 pins
[11:23] <jerry> It's a aria case if that helps
[11:23] <jerry> I'm just wondering what I can do with them
[11:23] <MehAdult> sotired: I've heard you can try artsdsp (executable) to force something to use arts which is what KDE uses.
[11:23] <MehAdult> jerry: Got a pic?
[11:24] <z00m_> MehAdult: where do you get it from ?
[11:24] <z00m_> i just tryed adept manager
[11:24] <jerry> aira
[11:24] <Jefis> www.skype.com
[11:24] <jerry> might
[11:24] <MehAdult> z00m_: Do you have the universe/multiverse set up?
[11:24] <z00m_> yes
[11:24] <sotired> mehadult: would that explain why it worked when i installed the games but suddenly stopped?
[11:24] <MehAdult> I'm not sure if that matters or not but it's a good idea.
[11:24] <MehAdult> z00m_: Ok try skype.com
[11:25] <z00m_> in the search ?
[11:25] <MehAdult> sotired: That's what I'm thinking yes.
[11:25] <z00m_> or there site ?
[11:25] <jerry> Here it is http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15130
[11:26] <jerry> if you look in the photo you'll see these two card slots
[11:26] <sotired> mehadult: artsdsp only works for binaries?
[11:27] <MehAdult> sotired: I never tried it.
[11:27] <MehAdult> Successfully.
[11:27] <MrSquiddy> z00m_: Skype is definitely in my Adept and I don't have any special repos enabled except the universe
[11:27] <jerry> it's got these two card slots
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> The penguin liberation front have dapper skype deb's
[11:27] <jerry> I have no idea what they're good for
[11:27] <jerry> what's skype?
[11:28] <abattoir> MrSquiddy: debian packages installed w/ dpkg are also added to the 'adept list'
[11:28] <sotired> damn...i jsut want this to work
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> VOIP
[11:28] <MasterEvil`Lapto> jerry: VoIP service
[11:28] <jerry> You can call anyone with it free?
[11:28] <sotired> for now
[11:28] <jerry> seriously
[11:28] <jerry> ok call me 619-256-0249
[11:28] <sotired> skypeout is free untill at least end of 2006
[11:28] <z00m_> MrSquiddy: are you in adept manager ?
[11:28] <jerry> I bet this dosen't work
[11:29] <sotired> it works...why wouldnt it...are you like a voip non believer or something?
[11:29] <z00m_> brb
[11:29] <jerry> well call 619-256-0249 and prove that it works
[11:29] <sotired> i dont use skype
[11:29] <user->  lol
[11:29] <jerry> hw do you know if it works then?
[11:29] <user->  he's an nerd
[11:29] <sotired> why do you think it wont work?
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> I know it works (my housemate wastes my upstream bandwidth with it far too often)
[11:30] <sotired> do you think skype doesnt work? or voip in general
[11:30] <jerry> well I can't believe that someone would give free phone service
[11:31] <sotired> because i am using vonage (i know iknow) and my voip works fine
[11:31] <sotired> skype is not free
[11:31] <sotired> its free OUTGOING till the end of the year...if you want ppl to be avble to call you back then u have to pay
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> Skype works fine (If you have qos setup properly)
[11:31] <z00m> MrSquiddy: its not there in my list
[11:31] <sotired> but ebay bought it and they can afford to give it away...trust me
[11:31] <jerry> see how can they do that?
[11:32] <abattoir> these are the latest skype packages http://skype.com/download/skype/linux/13beta.html
[11:32] <ubuntu> hi folks i| m new on linux so please don|t be too offended if i ask a stupid question once in a while
[11:32] <abattoir> apparently w/ also support
[11:33] <ubuntu> the first question i have is, how can i setup up mz display_
[11:33] <abattoir> *alsa support
[11:33] <MrSquiddy> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb is the latest.
[11:33] <ubuntu> since i am not able to set the resolution to its regular value of 1620x1050
[11:34] <abattoir> MrSquiddy: yes the latest 'stable' version
[11:34] <z00m> i just dont know why it is not in my list if everyone else has it
[11:34] <ubuntu> the nv driver is installed, but i am not sure how to set the monitor values
[11:35] <ubuntu> as there is not a driver out yet
[11:35] <abattoir> z00m: afaik, it is not in the official repos, however if you install a .deb from the above links, it *will* get added to the 'list'
[11:36] <GullyFoyle> anyone have any recommendations for a PCI wireless card?
[11:36] <z00m> abattoir: ok thanks
[11:36] <ubuntu> try netgear
[11:36] <z00m> GullyFoyle: NETGEAR WG311T atheros chip set
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> GullyFoyle: Anything atheros based
[11:36] <GullyFoyle> ubuntu: works for you?
[11:36] <z00m> or the WG511T
[11:36] <ubuntu> it does fine
[11:37] <h3sp4wn> Netgear makes poor quality hardware
[11:37] <MrSquiddy> abbatoir:  I have a fresh kubuntu 6.06 install and I have not installed Skype and it's deffo there in Adept.  I can't identify which repo is providing it (is there any way of checking?)
[11:37] <ubuntu> netgear is okay regarding the price
[11:37] <chun_> nick ChunLaptop
[11:37] <Samuli^> !skype
[11:37] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:37] <ubuntu> of course i rather prefer linksys
[11:37] <GullyFoyle> there are many listed on atheros' website, i just wondered if anyone favored a particular brand
[11:37] <Samuli^> !deb skype
[11:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about deb skype
[11:37] <bluesceada> hm
[11:37] <Samuli^> :/
[11:37] <abattoir> MrSquiddy: it should be under 'section'
[11:37] <abattoir> !info skype
[11:37] <ubotu> Package skype does not exist in dapper
[11:38] <abattoir> !search skype
[11:38] <ubotu> Found: skype
[11:38] <ubuntu> well, i got to go
[11:38] <ubuntu> bze
[11:39] <bluesceada> anyone can help about this (to fix it manually? use some more up to date driver or so?) -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-trident/+bug/52321
[11:40] <z00m> !info skype
[11:40] <ubotu> Package skype does not exist in dapper
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> !plf
[11:40] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[11:40] <dmitri> Hi, how do I save a view mode in konqueror?
[11:41] <z00m> i have the amd64 version of kubuntu
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> z00m: plf has skype for dapper (as a single deb)
[11:41] <bluesceada> dmitri: settings > save view profile
[11:42] <dmitri> bluesceada: thanks
[11:42] <abattoir> z00m: then i guess you should use the tar.bz2 version
[11:42] <bluesceada> you're welcome :)
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> The tar.bz2 should work if it is compiled statically
[11:42] <gatekeeper> repo for skype: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> But is that repo for amd64 ?
[11:43] <z00m> h3sp4wn: is that repo for amd64 ?
[11:44] <z00m> the plf ?
[11:44] <abattoir> gatekeeper: i get redirected to the normal download site
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> z00m: I don't know
[11:45] <gatekeeper> abattoir: are you the one after skype?
[11:45] <z00m> when i try to run the skype.deb i get this message
[11:45] <z00m> dpkg: error processing /home/z00m/skype_1.2.0.18-2_i386.deb (--install):
[11:45] <z00m>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[11:45] <z00m> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:45] <z00m>  /home/z00m/skype_1.2.0.18-2_i386.deb
[11:45] <z00m> Press <enter> to exit...
[11:45] <abattoir> gatekeeper: nope
[11:45] <abattoir> z00m: you are trying to install an i386 package...
[11:46] <z00m> not the amd64 version
[11:46] <abattoir> nope
[11:46] <abattoir> afaik, there is no amd64 package for skype...
[11:46] <abattoir> you should use the .tar.bz2 version, as i said before
[11:46] <z00m> ok
[11:47] <gatekeeper> z00m: install the build-essentialls if you need to compile
[11:49] <gatekeeper> z00m: have a look at this might prove usefull not sure: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16143.html
[11:51] <MasterEvil`Lapto> i think my monitor is dead.. :(
[11:51] <Howitzer> what are you staring at then MasterEvil`Lapto?
[11:51] <gatekeeper> z00m: and another one too :-) http://www.maxxer.it/?page=notsoweirdprograms
[11:51] <gemidjy> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[11:52] <gemidjy> I have installed libx11-dev
[11:52] <MasterEvil`Lapto> Howitzer: my laptop. my desktop's monitor died. ugh. My laptop has hardly anything on it, and not a whole lot i use on a daily basis
[11:53] <bluesceada> hmm
[11:53] <bluesceada> anyone can help?
[11:53] <bluesceada> how can i get newer packages than those in ubuntu
[11:53] <z00m> gatekeeper: thanks
[11:53] <bluesceada> newer versions of the programs..
[11:53] <gatekeeper> z00m: np :-)
[11:54] <bluesceada> hm no one can help :(
[11:54] <gatekeeper> bluesceada: what specifically are you after?
[11:55] <saperDuper> hi. i have installed kubuntu 6.06 and it's very sources-demanding for my old pc. so, i want to "convert" it to ubuntu.is this possible?how?
[11:55] <bluesceada> gatekeeper: another xserver-xorg-video-trident
[11:55] <bluesceada> because of this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-trident/+bug/52321
[11:56] <GullyFoyle> saperDuper: try xubuntu
[11:56] <skeith> saperDuper, try this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#Other_Desktop_Environments
[11:57] <Howitzer> what is the time variable for Bash?
[11:57] <Howitzer> i tried $TIME, $time and time
[11:57] <skeith> for some reason gnone isn't listed, but xfce is very lightweight will probably suit your needs
[11:57] <Pupeno> Howitzer: time variable ?
[11:58] <phoenix198> I could use a bit of help; anyone know anything about sharing folders between Vista and Kubuntu?
[11:58] <Pupeno> Howitzer: what do you want ?
[11:58] <saperDuper> can i install in kubuntu ubuntu-desktop? is there such desktop?
[11:58] <mcrandello> yes
[11:58] <mcrandello> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <Pupeno> saperDuper: yes, sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[11:58] <Howitzer> Pupeno, i want my Bash script to return the time
[11:58] <saperDuper> and sudo apt-get uninstall kubuntu-desktop?
[11:58] <mcrandello> either/or
[11:59] <Pupeno> Howitzer: then I'd recommend you to use the program/command 'date'
[11:59] <Howitzer> saperDuper, sudo apt-get remove
[11:59] <mcrandello> wait, remove it?
[11:59] <Howitzer> aaah
[11:59] <mcrandello> yeah apt-get remove
[11:59] <Howitzer> that's even better Pupeno, thanks :)
[11:59] <Pupeno> saperDuper: after ubuntu is working please.
[11:59] <phoenix198> Anyone good with file/folder sharing?  I can't successfully share a folder with my Vista PC.
[11:59] <Pupeno> Howitzer: check the man page for date, it is very customisable.
[11:59] <GullyFoyle> is gnome going to be any less resource intensive?
[11:59] <saperDuper> ok.thanks :)
[11:59] <Howitzer> ooh
[12:00] <Howitzer> i can modify the output?
[12:00] <Howitzer> great
[12:00] <skeith> gnome is less resource intensive than kde, at the cost of eye candy of course
[12:00] <Howitzer> even MORE better!
[12:00] <Howitzer> skeith, i wouldn't say that
[12:00] <gatekeeper> bluesceada: can't find that package using the firefox package engine in (k)ubuntu but can only find a debian one, here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/xserver-xorg-video-trident guessing you will have to live with it untill it's fixed not sure
[12:00] <saperDuper> GullyFoyle: i assume yes.doesn't have eye-candy :)
[12:00] <Pupeno> phoenix198: I don't think that would be possible. I know M$ is know to change the protocols as much as they can and hide it. So, Vista, being so new, it is likely to not be using the SMB we now and thus being incompatible with Samba.
[12:00] <bluesceada> gatekeeper: hm ok
[12:00] <Howitzer> i'm running Xorg at 50mb ram
[12:00] <GullyFoyle> i use fluxbox, with kde apps like konqueror for file manager and such. very fast
[12:00] <Pupeno> phoenix198: there's a big trial going on in Europe (well, it is more or less over now I think) regarding that and other things.
[12:01] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: I've found that Gnome starts faster that KDE, but besides that, how do you really compare them ?
[12:01] <bluesceada> gatekeeper: i made a deb out of the package of knoppix, which doesnt have the problem... but the version seems nearly the same ... it's just -2-i386 or so instead of -0-ubuntu
[12:01] <phoenix198> Pupeno:  Very sad.  Definitely appears not to be working.  Can only get so far.  Permissions 100% correct and I still cannot connect. Very annoying.
[12:02] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: will Firefox being slower than Konqueror be a point for KDE ? and if we compare Kontact to Evolution ? is it still KDE vs Gnome. Other than starting time I haven't noted any difference.
[12:02] <phoenix198> Pupeno: Thanks for the info.  M$ sucks....and all that.  later.
[12:02] <GullyFoyle> Pupeno: i was just thinking that if his box is older/slower he might want to run a lightweight wm instead of a DE like gnome or kde
[12:02] <Pupeno> phoenix198: yes, and Vista has not even been released.
[12:02] <gatekeeper> bluesceada: if it works use it and post it on the ubuntu forums I am sure others would appreciate your work :-)
[12:02] <phoenix198> Pupeno:  I'm one of the ....lucky.... beta testers :P
[12:02] <GullyFoyle> Pupeno: or xfce ala xubuntu
[12:03] <mcrandello> if you want lightweight it's all about the twm
[12:03] <bluesceada> i think no one else besides me has the problem
[12:03] <Pupeno> GullyFoyle: xfse (xubuntu) is lighter indeed. I used to run it on an old notebook.
[12:03] <bluesceada> as no one uses an older laptop with a trident card ^^
[12:03] <Pupeno> phoenix198: I envy you... *not*.
[12:03] <Pupeno> s/xfse/xfce/
[12:04] <phoenix198> Pupeno:  Not all that bad (can't at all compare to mmy Kubuntu, though).  It's really very different, much prettier, but much slower.  The 360 MCE thing is pretty cool (reason I'm a Beta Tester).
[12:04] <gatekeeper> bluesceada: you never know, someone might be scratting around now or in the near future
[12:04] <bluesceada> ok
[12:04] <bluesceada> but there should be a fix in the near future...
[12:04] <bluesceada> i reporte the bug
[12:04] <Pupeno> phoenix198: it is not free; beyond that there's little I really care about.
[12:05] <mcrandello> anyone know how to get say my usb drivers to use a different irq?
[12:05] <gatekeeper> bluesceada: providing someone fixes it, and in a way you have already fix it :-)
[12:05] <bluesceada> ok
[12:05] <mcrandello> sudo modprobe ohci_hcd irq=x doesn't seem to work well
[12:06] <bluesceada> gatekeeper: damn it's not the solution :/
[12:06] <bluesceada> it's not just another trident driver :S
[12:07] <gatekeeper> work around?
[12:07] <GullyFoyle> bluesceada: i have an old PII 233MHz that has the trident card. but i run kanotix on it, with fluxbox, not (k)ubuntu
[12:07] <gemidjy> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[12:07] <bluesceada> GullyFoyle: ah ..
[12:07] <gemidjy> this howto made me unable to install kdebase-dev afterwards...hrm
[12:07] <bluesceada> i want to use kubuntu though
[12:07] <gatekeeper> bluesceada: see there you go found a customer already :-)
[12:07] <gemidjy>   kdebase-dev: Depends: kate (= 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27) but 4:3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2 is to be installed
[12:07] <bluesceada> hm