=== derekmorton25 [n=A@ip70-173-237-86.fv.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === j_baer [n=baerj@c-24-11-169-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:24] Any marketing members out there? [12:24] yeah a few [12:25] Thanks ... I'm on the mail list and have a couple of questions. [12:25] How do you post comments to the list? [12:26] j_baer: did you sign up to get them? [12:27] Yes ... and I am receiving them [12:27] j_baer: if you get teh mailinglist than read the acception email you got it should have the email on it [12:28] hold on let me get you the address [12:29] Ok, is it "Send ubuntu-marketing mailing list submissions" ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com ? [12:30] yes [12:30] make sure you Re: the topic also [12:31] Great ... What is the turn around once your email has been sent? [12:32] j_baer: did you sign up for digest? === rikai [i=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:33] I don't know? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:33] What is it and how would I do that ? [12:33] j_baer: if you look on that same email it will give you a place to check/change prefferences but if digest it should be in a few hours [12:34] although it depends ont he traffic on ths list too [12:34] I'll check ... [12:36] I guess that is what I am getting "End of ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 9, Issue 16" [12:37] as this is what is at the end. [12:37] than yep [12:38] digest = less emails but everything is wrapped up in one email [12:38] There seems to be a lot of activity but the direction of the marketing group [12:38] appears to be somewhat grey. [12:38] Is there a marketing/project plan in place? [12:41] not really [12:42] marketing is also a very diffuse thing [12:43] That is very true. [12:44] What brought me here is a forum posting by Sara Vasquez. [12:45] She is seeking help with a Ubuntu magazine project and I submitted some cover mockups in the Art Talk Forum. [12:46] But putting a magazine together goes way beyond art work and I would really [12:46] like it to be as good as Red Hat or Linux magazine. [12:47] To that end I thought my first contribution should be added some structure to the project as I really feel [12:48] it needs to be done right. [12:48] hey j_baer, how are you? [12:48] Fine, thank you. [12:48] sorry if my email was really vague, but just in case people are sleeping or busy, i like to reply so people don't think we are ignoring them ;) [12:49] Always a pleasure :) [12:50] U know communicating with folks located around the globe is always fun. Never really know when to sleep! {ha!} [12:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup this is a wiki front page redesign in the works, i have emailed the list, but you all have at it and criticise [12:50] exactly j_baer [12:51] let me quickly check it out ... [12:51] it is a work in progress [12:51] i stole the watermark design for the documentation team ;) [12:52] it looks nice ... [12:52] trying to make it as clean and to the point as possible [12:52] the current front page lacks, but gives to much info at the same time [12:53] simple is always good ... [12:53] that it is [12:53] i have borrowed ideas from other wiki's around the net [12:54] Now u will know I am the new kid on the block. How does one edit a wiki page? [12:54] you need to have an account first of all [12:55] ok, how do u get an account? [12:55] once you have an account, it is as simple as pressing "Edit" to get into the editor itself [12:55] you know...i believe it uses the account from https://launchpad.net [12:55] That's great as I have a launchpad account. [12:56] there is a login option on the wiki, just click it and use your launchpad account to log in [12:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents is a good place to check out editing information [12:57] in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpForBeginners there is a sandbox to play around with editing too [12:57] ok, I'll check it a try later. Thanks for the tip. [12:58] no problem [12:59] If this was my day job I would propose a project to my boss by crafting a charter. === rikai [i=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:00] hehe [01:00] charters are good [01:00] The charter would contain the purpose of the effort ... [01:00] the goals to be obtained ... [01:00] and objectives ... [01:01] there are many goals to be obtained [01:01] now we need to take all those goals and break them into short and long term [01:01] In addition the charter would estimate the resources required to get there. [01:02] Charters are often very specific. For example Create Ubuntu Magazine. [01:02] The advantage to this method is it keeps everyone focus on the tasks at hand and serves as a [01:03] good communication tool for those who want to know. [01:03] good point [01:04] I would suggest this document be posted on a wiki and any new comer may read it to know [01:04] what is going on. [01:05] An another use of the charter is presenting ideas to the council. [01:05] could a charter be implemented w/o the use of a leader? [01:05] actually..the charter would act as that leader wouldn't it [01:06] create the charter by member recommendations that have been approved [01:06] In my day job all projects are assigned to a project manager and the charter would identify [01:06] who that person is. It would show the effort has the approval from folks we call sponsors. [01:07] that is something to bring up at the next meeting [01:07] stick it on the agenda [01:08] but to be honest the way to get things done is to put up a spec and seen if it is taken on board [01:08] Good point. The spec is the second step. [01:08] the spec is there atm as a method [01:09] The spec works like a task list and priority assigned. [01:09] remember it has to live with the existing governece [01:09] Yes ... [01:09] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes [01:10] the tech board does it for software and the CC does it for other things [01:10] I haven't reviewed all of the pages but I believe that it will. [01:11] I see the words sprinkled around like milestones and such so I believe the process is being used. [01:12] In many cases marketing is the first impression folks see of a product and it is very [01:12] important to make a good 1st impression. [01:13] When you add to the matrix the fact that folks don't have to do this it is also important to make [01:13] thins as easy as possible. [01:14] Using myself as a example my 1st question was "what's going on"? [01:14] Another issue is deciding what to do. [01:15] It's very important to tackle the really really important items first and then work the list {spec}. [01:16] So ... my suggestion for the magazine project is to create a charter. Submit it to the community council for approval === rikai [i=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:17] and if approved, get started. [01:17] need to hurry on thta [01:17] the magazine has been active for a month now, and yet nothing to show the community [01:18] that is by far, no ones fault, as there has been a lot of change occur recently [01:18] I understand and my comments are not meant to be critical. [01:18] but the issue has been brought up to others, that have been wanting to see this happen [01:19] they may not be meant to be critical, but they need to ;) need to get that fire lit [01:19] if you and sara are in kahoots on it, i would say rock and roll since she is the project leader for the magazine [01:19] interesting [01:20] Spread Mandriva seems to be up and running [01:20] I am unclear on the "Spread" initiatives {?} [01:20] however, spread mandriva sounds kind of, not right...unlike Spread Ubuntu...because in all reality, Ubuntu definately has a definition and a philosophy that is worth spreading [01:21] it is pretty much just a marketing campaign to Spread Ubuntu really [01:21] I looked at the Firefox example and I could not find a reason to go back. [01:22] however, the spread firefox is labeled as one of the most successfull campaigns to date on the internet [01:22] they made a ton on it, and so did people who helped spread it...the initiative behind the spread firefox campaign was nice [01:22] i put their link on their page, i get hits, they get hits, i get more hits, they get more hits...and it keeps going like that [01:23] supposedly reuters said they took a little dent in the market share too...how accurate that info is i don't know [01:24] U know firefox is a fickle creature. It think it gained alot before the "Spread". [01:24] im sure it did...but this definately helped...as a majorit of the people i work with had it posted all over [01:25] Sold .... I'll look again :) [01:25] Getting back to Ubuntu how should I proceed? [01:27] proceed on the magazine topic? [01:27] Yes ... [01:27] if i read correctly, didn't sara recommend you in a way? [01:27] or introduce you [01:27] Yes ... [01:28] you might want to start with her, and see if she wants to get in on a meeting, or create a meeting [01:28] i am always around here doing something...i work with marketing team, magazine, doc team, wiki team, bug team, logo teams, laptop teams [01:29] so i am usually around and a ping will get my attention [01:29] i sleep from about 3am CST to 9am CST [01:29] which would be 0800 UTC and 1400 UTC === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:30] I'll send Sara some emails and see how she feels about my ideas. [01:30] wb Burgundavia [01:30] indeed [01:30] you could also nail them to the list, as she scours them and posts info quite a bit === hybrid [n=666@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:31] Good idea, I'll do that as well. [01:31] ahhh trouble has joined [01:31] Has a date been set for the marketing meeting? [01:32] jul 13 [01:32] 1400 cst [01:32] 1900 utc [01:32] you in Texas too? [01:33] Funny u should ask .... [01:33] lol [01:33] I am in Michigan but I am from Houston ... [01:33] ahhh [01:33] where at in michigan? [01:33] Lansing ... [01:33] ok...im in chicago, but born in benton harbor michigan..so i am familiar [01:34] meeting will be 1500 for you then [01:37] small world ... [01:38] It's been a pleasure chatting but I've got to go ... [01:38] same here...take care and talk to you soon === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === derekmorton25 [n=derek@ip70-173-237-86.fv.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:47] hello all [04:48] hey there [04:49] I guess no one replied to my email to the mailing list [04:49] i haven't seen one [04:49] when did you send it? [04:50] your inkscape one? [04:50] yeah it was a mockup logo [04:51] for Su [04:51] i downloaded it and have yet to look at it === nixternal looks now [04:53] not to shabby..there is a lot of stuff on there [04:53] it's not very good (I'm bad with inkscape) [04:53] i have only opened inkscape to look at your drawings [04:53] lol [04:54] lol [04:54] I took everyones advice and made it BIG to start with. [04:56] you think it's decent? [04:56] i do yes [04:56] I had another idea but I don't have the time or the patience to draw it [04:56] Well, I do, but that's not the point. [04:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup <- you looked at that yet? [04:56] My other idea is the Ubuntu logo "Sprouting wings" === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:57] yeah I've seen the mockup [04:57] I was directed to it today when I wanted to push a section of the marketing team that collected news about individual projects. [04:57] ahh [04:58] Although I still think collecting and displaying that info on a page is a good idea, others disagree. [04:58] then with that, there would be subpages for each individual project [04:58] what info is that? [04:58] The thing is, a site like I'm suggesting isn't a good wiki, and it MIGHT be a good blog, but idk. [04:59] kind of like a developers blog, just for the marketers ;) [04:59] Ubuntu is about community right? So I though why not support community efforts (localized ones) by giving them some publicity. [04:59] that is the LoCo teams [05:00] that is why we need a communication pipe with them [05:00] When people see that Ubuntu supports the local efforts more and more of them will arise [05:00] those efforts are advertising custom made to an area, and we don't have to do any work to do it. [05:01] you talking like me marketing Ubuntu in Chicago and what not? [05:01] yes, or my project for Ubuntu in Elkins, WV [05:01] #ubuntu-chicago <- that is my Localized Ubuntu marketing campaign [05:01] We are a new Ubuntu Local Community Team [05:02] exactly, but wouldn't it be nice if the larger ubuntu marketing team gave that some publicity? [05:02] perhaps other chicago users would find out about it, etc... [05:02] ahh..i see what you are saying [05:03] It's advertising, custom made to an area. The marketing team just has to 'support it' a picture and a paragraph (maybe some updates) on a webpage. [05:03] yes that would be very useful for creating localized interest, but i think that falls under the LoCo teams more then us...however, we could pimp them in the Magazine and what not [05:04] that is why we need to communicate that with the LoCo teams, and task them with that effort, therefore allowing us to go after bigger fish [05:04] Well, then we should do that. [05:04] oh im sure we will...just not tonight..as i believe someone has been talking with the LoCo teams, however I am not 100% positive [05:04] im doing my effort hardcore with Ubuntu Chicago [05:05] Joey Stanford is a maniac with his LoCo, as they have grown huge. He got a whole LUG to jump Ubuntu pretty much [05:05] I know that my project is a graduation requirement for myself, if I get lots of press in town and and some on the net I can link to that and say "Look, I'm legit here" [05:05] hmm [05:05] so it is more about your education that Ubuntu [05:06] I'm expanding after school [05:06] The way I see it is, they are a captive audience. [05:06] HAHAH i had to bust your balls on that one ;) [05:06] b4 someone else did [05:06] They don't have a choice but to hear me out, and the more they realize I'm serious the more seriously they'll take me. [05:06] true [05:07] I'm also talking to a local business about setting up a Linux Demo center where people can play with linux and 'try before they buy' so to speak. [05:07] there aren't that many LoCo teams either in the US [05:07] 10 at most...and I don't know how many are actually effective or working [05:07] DC supposedly has a decent setup [05:07] I've already obtained 3 older computers to display Xubuntus technology on [05:08] ok..here is what i am going to do next month at our local computer show [05:09] i am building a custom system, case mod, hacked up with logo for window...we are going to do 1 Ubuntu, 1 Kubuntu, 1 Xubuntu, and 1 Edubuntu for auction [05:09] not auction [05:09] raffle [05:09] derr [05:09] so i am hoping my 1000 cd's are here by then..because that is going to draw a huge crowd at this thing [05:09] I am hoping that I can get the linux shop idea started up [05:10] people here might actually choose to use linux if they were given the choice [05:10] i have my neices school making me an edubuntu banner made by hand painting [05:10] they are doing the ubuntu logo with hand prints [05:10] that is my little campaign..actually Ubuntu Chicago ;) [05:10] (of which I'm working on a formal complaint to the local walmart) [05:10] your walmart doesn't do Linspire? [05:11] Nope [05:11] hmm [05:11] they do Intell VIIV and Emachines [05:11] i don't know if ours does still or what [05:11] Linspire has in and out deals with walmart [05:11] i know they have linspire at fry's [05:11] the point is they're not giving users a choice in town [05:11] cuz i buy those machines [05:11] my only problem is....i do this custom rig with Ubuntu..and someone takes it, and installs windows on it [05:12] what I'm going to do one day is go in and request one of the computers with the price of windows refunded to me. [05:12] that would chap my a$$ more then anything [05:12] haha nice [05:12] walmart is so crooked though..they can't be beat [05:12] That should be a nice fight with the managment. [05:12] they hold the power in their hands [05:12] just because our GDP would be squat w/o their help [05:12] lol yeahh [05:14] China would have no economy without them [05:14] But regardless, I'm going to stage that little 'protest' action [05:15] if they can't refund the price of windows for me then I'll lodge a formal complaint (again) to the company at large. [05:19] arg [05:19] sorry about that [05:19] it's cool [05:19] chicago chan got busy for once ;) [05:19] haha lol [05:19] The elkins WV channel won't be strapped ever. [05:19] I'm one of 3 citizens in the town that I know of that uses linux, I'm the only Ubuntu user I know of. [05:20] I'm looking to change those numbers though. [05:24] hehe [05:24] dude...this is the first time there has been more then me and chanserv in there for more then an hour [05:24] lol [05:28] lol cool === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Talk] [05:30] lol [05:30] hiya newz2000 [05:30] by newz2000 === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Talk] [05:33] lol [05:33] yay cups update [05:34] *does this mean that my printer will start working* === adamant1988 holds breath [05:36] never [05:36] how come cups works for me, and nobody else? [05:37] I have a crap printer === rikai [i=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === hybrid [n=666@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:27] hello again all [06:32] hello again [06:32] ubuntu chicago scheduled it's first ever meeting tonight [06:35] oh yeah? [06:35] awesome :) [06:35] I might have to start using open offices project managment software === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:12] http://ubuntu.ca/Edubuntu-casestudy.png [07:12] thoughts? [07:17] simple and clean..the way i like it [07:17] Burgundavia: that for the mag or SU leaflets (or other)? [07:17] looks good Burgundavia [07:17] other [07:17] neither [07:18] a case study for edubuntu that I am currently writing [07:18] OK, looks good anyway :) [07:19] I am focusing on marketing to teachers, decision makers and other corporate/large environment people [07:19] it is what I do in my day job === derekmorton25 [n=derek@ip70-173-237-86.fv.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:22] excelent - someone who is actually involved with the group they are trying to reach has a much better chance of success than someone looking in from the outside [07:40] look at the case study again === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:57] hello all === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-177.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:20] http://clearnightsky.com/node/242 [09:24] nice Madpilot [09:25] we need that guy here...he has great points that i have yet to see get brought up [09:38] hehe, I think I may have my fiance about to use Xubuntu :) [09:58] I agree with his points nixternal.. [09:58] he has some good ones, thats for sure [09:58] He made a great example out of Mac OSX. [09:58] yes he did [09:59] It's not marketed as BSD and no one would know otherwise without being told.. but EVERYONE knows that ubuntu is linux. [09:59] perhaps the problem with linux lies not in the fact that it's so scattered, but in the fact that no distro has tried to hide the fact that it's linux. [10:00] hmm [10:00] hiding the fact might be bad [10:00] we can talk up the good without downplaying Linux [10:00] Really? Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to say "Ubuntu OS" ? [10:00] we mostly already say that [10:01] Yeah, until you say Linux and then you have to spend all your time explaining that... [10:01] I don't think there should be any mention of being based off of debian, or even linux at all in the marketing of Ubuntu. === MenZa [n=chatzill@0x50a160a4.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:02] I think it would simplify the situation for new users a lot. [10:03] well...we aren't only trying to marketing to the new users....by telling current users hey, check us out, we are designed off of debian, so if you are used to that, and like a great community, then Ubuntu is your os [10:03] Speaking of which, my technophobe fiance is SOOO close to trying Xubuntu on her outdated comp [10:03] s/marketing/market [10:03] current linux users that is also [10:03] Yeah, but current linux users are (mostly) power users anyway and would know that ubuntu is a debian based distro (look at all the press it gets from that). [10:04] if we use debian in there, and person gets to researching debian, and they see the stong history debian has had, it only helps [10:04] most current linux users have had to do quite a bit of research to begin with to find a distro that suits them, I'd find it hard to believe they didn't know ubuntu is debian based. [10:05] true [10:05] What I'm saying is that ubuntu is much more friendly to a user if the use of jargon is limited severely [10:06] it's a BASIC rule and I can't believe it's been so overlooked by everyone... (myself included). [10:06] still the fact lies in, you market the history of Ubuntu, it is a short 2 years that has grown rapidly, great but still it is young, then you let them know but we are designed off of debian which has more then 10+ years of solid existance [10:06] it only stresses the strengths [10:06] Yeah, but you can stress the strengths without the history lesson to confuse. [10:07] As a new user I don't want to know about Ubuntus great grandpappys stability. In the eyes of a new user they're not the same product, they want to know about ubuntu in the here and now. [10:07] letting someone know the history that is new to the world of linux is good, since all they hear is microsoft and thats all they have known for 10 years [10:07] But are we marketing linux or Ubuntu? [10:07] well, during that 10 years while they were blind to the strong linux market, debian has grown, and ubuntu has spawned [10:08] it doesn't have to be a focus, but it is a point [10:08] I have to say I'm going to give this a try with my fiance [10:08] hehe [10:08] I'm going to stop using the word linux around her [10:08] that is awesome [10:08] I'm just going to say Ubuntu [10:08] get her on Xubuntu [10:08] speaking of linux [10:08] all of the derivatives, they're just Ubuntu [10:08] im gonna goto bed ;) [10:09] lol [10:09] and I'll let you know how that works. [10:09] dude..it is 4am there..wth you doing up? [10:09] I take stimulants [10:09] heh [10:09] and I was talking to my fiance (she was up late) [10:09] viagra don't count as a stimulant [10:09] well ig uess it does [10:10] no need for that. I'm young ;) [10:10] haha [10:10] and no, but ritalin does [10:11] im dog dead tired, and i have a hackathon tomorrow..actually im going to learn some more python and ruby [10:11] I have to cash my checks tomorrow [10:11] and to meet up with some dev's so i can learn ;) [10:11] and I need to get my project in to OOO managment software... [10:11] ooh..i have to pick up checks tomorrow [10:11] omg..in 5 hours at that [10:11] bye [10:11] speaking of OOo, 2.0.3 is being backported for dapper soon [10:11] oh yeah? [10:11] yp [10:11] ypu [10:11] fdjalsjfdsa [10:11] is the backports a good thing to use? [10:12] yes [10:12] I didn't enable them [10:12] that is what they use for updates after a release [10:12] oh wait [10:12] you mean that ooo is getting updated [10:12] yes [10:12] I thought the backports are another repo like multi [10:12] there will be a 2.0.3 package soon [10:12] hopefully this week [10:12] that's great. [10:12] when's the new inkscape one? [10:13] probably soon since crimsun uses it [10:13] lol [10:13] lol ok [10:13] goodnight [10:13] alrighty [10:13] good night no sleepin' boy...do some marketing at 4am door to door....and report your progress ;) [10:13] fromt he hospital probably [10:15] lol === matthewrevell [n=matthew@82-37-193-109.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [11:28] Morning all [11:29] k [11:29] Oops, slipped [11:32] moring matthewrevell [11:32] morning :) [11:32] Howdy. [11:33] hi all === hybrid waves vigioursly at Kamping_Kaiser [11:34] :D [11:34] hey hybrid :D! *waves back === darkmatter_ feels quite happy atm :) Everone loves my redesigns... good... time to commit the changes to code :) [11:36] hey Kamping_Kaiser... how are you this fine morning? [11:37] darkmatter_, um. /i'm/ fine, fraid my laptops not :( [11:37] lol [11:37] :( [11:38] hybrid, :| [11:38] that sounds like its not a good thing [11:38] sorry the fact that you emphasised you were ok was comical [11:38] oh, i see :| [11:38] if my notebook wasnt ok neither would i be [11:39] darkmatter_, yeh,... dying hdd. it falls over every 15-30 minutes. i'm madly syncing it with my desktop trying to get as much unrecoverable data as i can out [11:39] eek! [11:39]