[12:24] <j_baer> Any marketing members out there?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yeah a few
[12:25] <j_baer> Thanks ... I'm on the mail list and  have a couple of questions.
[12:25] <j_baer> How do you post comments to the list?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> j_baer: did you sign up to get them?
[12:27] <j_baer> Yes ... and I am receiving them
[12:27] <gnomefreak> j_baer: if you get teh mailinglist than read the acception email you got it should have the email on it
[12:28] <gnomefreak> hold on let me get you the address
[12:29] <j_baer> Ok, is it "Send ubuntu-marketing mailing list submissions" ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com ?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:30] <gnomefreak> make sure you Re: the topic also
[12:31] <j_baer> Great ... What is the turn around once your email has been sent?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> j_baer: did you sign up for digest?
[12:33] <j_baer> I don't know?
[12:33] <j_baer> What is it and how would I do that ?
[12:33] <gnomefreak> j_baer: if you look on that same email it will give you a place to check/change prefferences but if digest it should be in a few hours
[12:34] <gnomefreak> although it depends ont he traffic on ths list too
[12:34] <j_baer> I'll check ...
[12:36] <j_baer> I guess that is what I am getting "End of ubuntu-marketing Digest, Vol 9, Issue 16"
[12:37] <j_baer> as this is what is at the end.
[12:37] <gnomefreak> than yep
[12:38] <gnomefreak> digest = less emails but everything is wrapped up in one email
[12:38] <j_baer> There seems to be a lot of activity but the direction of the marketing group
[12:38] <j_baer> appears to be somewhat grey.
[12:38] <j_baer> Is there a marketing/project plan in place?
[12:41] <Burgwork> not really
[12:42] <Burgwork> marketing is also a very diffuse thing
[12:43] <j_baer> That is very true.
[12:44] <j_baer> What brought me here is a forum posting by Sara Vasquez.
[12:45] <j_baer> She is seeking help with a Ubuntu magazine project and I submitted some cover mockups in the Art Talk Forum.
[12:46] <j_baer> But putting a magazine together goes way beyond art work and I would really
[12:46] <j_baer> like it to be as good as Red Hat or Linux magazine.
[12:47] <j_baer> To that end I thought my first contribution should be added some structure to the project as I really feel
[12:48] <j_baer> it needs to be done right.
[12:48] <nixternal> hey j_baer, how are you?
[12:48] <j_baer> Fine, thank you.
[12:48] <nixternal> sorry if my email was really vague, but just in case people are sleeping or busy, i like to reply so people don't think we are ignoring them ;)
[12:49] <j_baer> Always a pleasure :)
[12:50] <j_baer> U know communicating with folks located around the globe is always fun. Never really know when to sleep! {ha!}
[12:50] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup   this is a wiki front page redesign in the works, i have emailed the list, but you all have at it and criticise
[12:50] <nixternal> exactly j_baer
[12:51] <j_baer> let me quickly check it out ...
[12:51] <nixternal> it is a work in progress
[12:51] <nixternal> i stole the watermark design for the documentation team ;)
[12:52] <j_baer> it looks nice ...
[12:52] <nixternal> trying to make it as clean and to the point as possible
[12:52] <nixternal> the current front page lacks, but gives to much info at the same time
[12:53] <j_baer> simple is always good ...
[12:53] <nixternal> that it is
[12:53] <nixternal> i have borrowed ideas from other wiki's around the net
[12:54] <j_baer> Now u will know I am the new kid on the block. How does one edit a wiki page?
[12:54] <nixternal> you need to have an account first of all
[12:55] <j_baer> ok, how do u get an account?
[12:55] <nixternal> once you have an account, it is as simple as pressing "Edit" to get into the editor itself
[12:55] <nixternal> you know...i believe it uses the account from https://launchpad.net
[12:55] <j_baer> That's great as I have a launchpad account.
[12:56] <nixternal> there is a login option on the wiki, just click it and use your launchpad account to log in
[12:56] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents   is a good place to check out editing information
[12:57] <nixternal> in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpForBeginners there is a sandbox to play around with editing too
[12:57] <j_baer> ok, I'll check it a try later. Thanks for the tip.
[12:58] <nixternal> no problem
[12:59] <j_baer> If this was my day job I would propose a project to my boss by crafting a charter.
[01:00] <nixternal> hehe
[01:00] <nixternal> charters are good
[01:00] <j_baer> The charter would contain the purpose of the effort ...
[01:00] <j_baer> the goals to be obtained ...
[01:00] <j_baer> and objectives ...
[01:01] <nixternal> there are many goals to be obtained
[01:01] <nixternal> now we need to take all those goals and break them into short and long term
[01:01] <j_baer> In addition the charter would estimate the resources required to get there.
[01:02] <j_baer> Charters are often very specific. For example Create Ubuntu Magazine.
[01:02] <j_baer> The advantage to this method is it keeps everyone focus on the tasks at hand and serves as a
[01:03] <j_baer> good communication tool for those who want to know.
[01:03] <nixternal> good point
[01:04] <j_baer> I would suggest this document be posted on a wiki and any new comer may read it to know
[01:04] <j_baer> what is going on.
[01:05] <j_baer> An another use of the charter is presenting ideas to the council.
[01:05] <nixternal> could a charter be implemented w/o the use of a leader?
[01:05] <nixternal> actually..the charter would act as that leader wouldn't it
[01:06] <nixternal> create the charter by member recommendations that have been approved
[01:06] <j_baer> In my day job all projects are assigned to a project manager and the charter would identify
[01:06] <j_baer> who that person is. It would show the effort has the approval from folks we call sponsors.
[01:07] <nixternal> that is something to bring up at the next meeting
[01:07] <ompaul> stick it on the agenda
[01:08] <ompaul> but to be honest the way to get things done is to put up a spec and seen if it is taken on board
[01:08] <j_baer> Good point. The spec is the second step.
[01:08] <ompaul> the spec is there atm as a method
[01:09] <j_baer> The spec works like a task list and priority assigned.
[01:09] <ompaul> remember it has to live with the existing governece
[01:09] <j_baer> Yes ...
[01:09] <ompaul> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes
[01:10] <ompaul> the tech board does it for software and the CC does it for other things
[01:10] <j_baer> I haven't reviewed all of the pages but I believe that it will.
[01:11] <j_baer> I see the words sprinkled around like milestones and such so I believe the process is being used.
[01:12] <j_baer> In many cases marketing is the first impression folks see of a product and it is very
[01:12] <j_baer> important to make a good 1st impression.
[01:13] <j_baer> When you add to the matrix the fact that folks don't have to do this it is also important to make
[01:13] <j_baer> thins as easy as possible.
[01:14] <j_baer> Using myself as a example my 1st question was "what's going on"?
[01:14] <j_baer> Another issue is deciding what to do.
[01:15] <j_baer> It's very important to tackle the really really important items first and then work the list {spec}.
[01:16] <j_baer> So ... my suggestion for the magazine project is to create a charter. Submit it to the community council for approval
[01:17] <j_baer> and if approved, get started.
[01:17] <nixternal> need to hurry on thta
[01:17] <nixternal> the magazine has been active for a month now, and yet nothing to show the community
[01:18] <nixternal> that is by far, no ones fault, as there has been a lot of change occur recently
[01:18] <j_baer> I understand and my comments are not meant to be critical.
[01:18] <nixternal> but the issue has been brought up to others, that have been wanting to see this happen
[01:19] <nixternal> they may not be meant to be critical, but they need to ;)  need to get that fire lit
[01:19] <nixternal> if you and sara are in kahoots on it, i would say rock and roll since she is the project leader for the magazine
[01:19] <nixternal> interesting
[01:20] <nixternal> Spread Mandriva seems to be up and running
[01:20] <j_baer> I am unclear on the "Spread" initiatives {?}
[01:20] <nixternal> however, spread mandriva sounds kind of, not right...unlike Spread Ubuntu...because in all reality, Ubuntu definately has a definition and a philosophy that is worth spreading
[01:21] <nixternal> it is pretty much just a marketing campaign to Spread Ubuntu really
[01:21] <j_baer> I looked at the Firefox example and I could not find a reason to go back.
[01:22] <nixternal> however, the spread firefox is labeled as one of the most successfull campaigns to date on the internet
[01:22] <nixternal> they made a ton on it, and so did people who helped spread it...the initiative behind the spread firefox campaign was nice
[01:22] <nixternal> i put their link on their page, i get hits, they get hits, i get more hits, they get more hits...and it keeps going like that
[01:23] <nixternal> supposedly reuters said they took a little dent in the market share too...how accurate that info is i don't know
[01:24] <j_baer> U know firefox is a fickle creature. It think it gained alot before the "Spread".
[01:24] <nixternal> im sure it did...but this definately helped...as a majorit of the people i work with had it posted all over
[01:25] <j_baer> Sold .... I'll look again :)
[01:25] <j_baer> Getting back to Ubuntu how should I proceed?
[01:27] <nixternal> proceed on the magazine topic?
[01:27] <j_baer> Yes ...
[01:27] <nixternal> if i read correctly, didn't sara recommend you in a way?
[01:27] <nixternal> or introduce you
[01:27] <j_baer> Yes ...
[01:28] <nixternal> you might want to start with her, and see if she wants to get in on a meeting, or create a meeting
[01:28] <nixternal> i am always around here doing something...i work with marketing team, magazine, doc team, wiki team, bug team, logo teams, laptop teams
[01:29] <nixternal> so i am usually around and a ping will get my attention
[01:29] <nixternal> i sleep from about 3am CST to 9am CST
[01:29] <nixternal> which would be 0800 UTC and 1400 UTC
[01:30] <j_baer> I'll send Sara some emails and see how she feels about my ideas.
[01:30] <nixternal> wb Burgundavia
[01:30] <Burgundavia> indeed
[01:30] <nixternal> you could also nail them to the list, as she scours them and posts info quite a bit
[01:31] <j_baer> Good idea, I'll do that as well.
[01:31] <nixternal> ahhh trouble has joined
[01:31] <j_baer> Has a date been set for the marketing meeting?
[01:32] <nixternal> jul 13
[01:32] <nixternal> 1400 cst
[01:32] <nixternal> 1900 utc
[01:32] <nixternal> you in Texas too?
[01:33] <j_baer> Funny u should ask ....
[01:33] <nixternal> lol
[01:33] <j_baer> I am in Michigan but I am from Houston ...
[01:33] <nixternal> ahhh
[01:33] <nixternal> where at in michigan?
[01:33] <j_baer> Lansing ...
[01:33] <nixternal> ok...im in chicago, but born in benton harbor michigan..so i am familiar
[01:34] <nixternal> meeting will be 1500 for you then
[01:37] <j_baer> small world ...
[01:38] <j_baer> It's been a pleasure chatting but I've got to go ...
[01:38] <nixternal> same here...take care and talk to you soon
[04:47] <adamant1988> hello all
[04:48] <nixternal> hey there
[04:49] <adamant1988> I guess no one replied to my email to the mailing list
[04:49] <nixternal> i haven't seen one
[04:49] <nixternal> when did you send it?
[04:50] <nixternal> your inkscape one?
[04:50] <adamant1988> yeah it was a mockup logo
[04:51] <adamant1988> for Su
[04:51] <nixternal> i downloaded it and have yet to look at it
[04:53] <nixternal> not to shabby..there is a lot of stuff on there
[04:53] <adamant1988> it's not very good (I'm bad with inkscape)
[04:53] <nixternal> i have only opened inkscape to look at your drawings
[04:53] <nixternal> lol
[04:54] <adamant1988> lol
[04:54] <adamant1988> I took everyones advice and made it BIG to start with.
[04:56] <adamant1988> you think it's decent?
[04:56] <nixternal> i do yes
[04:56] <adamant1988> I had another idea but I don't have the time or the patience to draw it
[04:56] <adamant1988> Well, I do, but that's not the point.
[04:56] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup  <- you looked at that yet?
[04:56] <adamant1988> My other idea is the Ubuntu logo "Sprouting wings"
[04:57] <adamant1988> yeah I've seen the mockup
[04:57] <adamant1988> I was directed to it today when I wanted to push a section of the marketing team that collected news about individual projects.
[04:57] <nixternal> ahh
[04:58] <adamant1988> Although I still think collecting and displaying that info on a page is a good idea, others disagree.
[04:58] <nixternal> then with that, there would be subpages for each individual project
[04:58] <nixternal> what info is that?
[04:58] <adamant1988> The thing is, a site like I'm suggesting isn't a good wiki, and it MIGHT be a good blog, but idk.
[04:59] <nixternal> kind of like a developers blog, just for the marketers ;)
[04:59] <adamant1988> Ubuntu is about community right?  So I though why not support community efforts (localized ones) by giving them some publicity.
[04:59] <nixternal> that is the LoCo teams
[05:00] <nixternal> that is why we need a communication pipe with them
[05:00] <adamant1988> When people see that Ubuntu supports the local efforts more and more of them will arise
[05:00] <adamant1988> those efforts are advertising custom made to an area, and we don't have to do any work to do it.
[05:01] <nixternal> you talking like me marketing Ubuntu in Chicago and what not?
[05:01] <adamant1988> yes, or my project for Ubuntu in Elkins, WV
[05:01] <nixternal> #ubuntu-chicago <- that is my Localized Ubuntu marketing campaign
[05:01] <nixternal> We are a new Ubuntu Local Community Team
[05:02] <adamant1988> exactly, but wouldn't it be nice if the larger ubuntu marketing team gave that some publicity?
[05:02] <adamant1988> perhaps other chicago users would find out about it, etc...
[05:02] <nixternal> ahh..i see what you are saying
[05:03] <adamant1988> It's advertising, custom made to an area.  The marketing team just has to 'support it' a picture and a paragraph (maybe some updates) on a webpage.
[05:03] <nixternal> yes that would be very useful for creating localized interest, but i think that falls under the LoCo teams more then us...however, we could pimp them in the Magazine and what not
[05:04] <nixternal> that is why we need to communicate that with the LoCo teams, and task them with that effort, therefore allowing us to go after bigger fish
[05:04] <adamant1988> Well, then we should do that.
[05:04] <nixternal> oh im sure we will...just not tonight..as i believe someone has been talking with the LoCo teams, however I am not 100% positive
[05:04] <nixternal> im doing my effort hardcore with Ubuntu Chicago
[05:05] <nixternal> Joey Stanford is a maniac with his LoCo, as they have grown huge. He got a whole LUG to jump Ubuntu pretty much
[05:05] <adamant1988> I know that my project is a graduation requirement for myself, if I get lots of press in town and and some on the net I can link to that and say "Look, I'm legit here"
[05:05] <nixternal> hmm
[05:05] <nixternal> so it is more about your education that Ubuntu
[05:06] <adamant1988> I'm expanding after school
[05:06] <adamant1988> The way I see it is, they are a captive audience.
[05:06] <nixternal> HAHAH i had to bust your balls on that one ;)
[05:06] <nixternal> b4 someone else did
[05:06] <adamant1988> They don't have a choice but to hear me out, and the more they realize I'm serious the more seriously they'll take me.
[05:06] <nixternal> true
[05:07] <adamant1988> I'm also talking to a local business about setting up a Linux Demo center where people can play with linux and 'try before they buy' so to speak.
[05:07] <nixternal> there aren't that many LoCo teams either in the US
[05:07] <nixternal> 10 at most...and I don't know how many are actually effective or working
[05:07] <nixternal> DC supposedly has a decent setup
[05:07] <adamant1988> I've already obtained 3 older computers to display Xubuntus technology on
[05:08] <nixternal> ok..here is what i am going to do next month at our local computer show
[05:09] <nixternal> i am building a custom system, case mod, hacked up with logo for window...we are going to do 1 Ubuntu, 1 Kubuntu, 1 Xubuntu, and 1 Edubuntu for auction
[05:09] <nixternal> not auction
[05:09] <nixternal> raffle
[05:09] <nixternal> derr
[05:09] <nixternal> so i am hoping my 1000 cd's are here by then..because that is going to draw a huge crowd at this thing
[05:09] <adamant1988> I am hoping that I can get the linux shop idea started up
[05:10] <adamant1988> people here might actually choose to use linux if they were given the choice
[05:10] <nixternal> i have my neices school making me an edubuntu banner made by hand painting
[05:10] <nixternal> they are doing the ubuntu logo with hand prints
[05:10] <nixternal> that is my little campaign..actually Ubuntu Chicago ;)
[05:10] <adamant1988> (of which I'm working on a formal complaint to the local walmart)
[05:10] <nixternal> your walmart doesn't do Linspire?
[05:11] <adamant1988> Nope
[05:11] <nixternal> hmm
[05:11] <adamant1988> they do Intell VIIV and Emachines
[05:11] <nixternal> i don't know if ours does still or what
[05:11] <adamant1988> Linspire has in and out deals with walmart
[05:11] <nixternal> i know they have linspire at fry's
[05:11] <adamant1988> the point is they're not giving users a choice in town
[05:11] <nixternal> cuz i buy those machines
[05:11] <nixternal> my only problem is....i do this custom rig with Ubuntu..and someone takes it, and installs windows on it
[05:12] <adamant1988> what I'm going to do one day is go in and request one of the computers with the price of windows refunded to me.
[05:12] <nixternal> that would chap my a$$ more then anything
[05:12] <nixternal> haha nice
[05:12] <nixternal> walmart is so crooked though..they can't be beat
[05:12] <adamant1988> That should be a nice fight with the managment.
[05:12] <nixternal> they hold the power in their hands
[05:12] <nixternal> just because our GDP would be squat w/o their help
[05:12] <adamant1988> lol yeahh
[05:14] <adamant1988> China would have no economy without them
[05:14] <adamant1988> But regardless, I'm going to stage that little 'protest' action
[05:15] <adamant1988> if they can't refund the price of windows for me then I'll lodge a formal complaint (again) to the company at large.
[05:19] <nixternal> arg
[05:19] <nixternal> sorry about that
[05:19] <adamant1988> it's cool
[05:19] <nixternal> chicago chan got busy for once ;)
[05:19] <adamant1988> haha lol
[05:19] <adamant1988> The elkins WV channel won't be strapped ever.
[05:19] <adamant1988> I'm one of 3 citizens in the town that I know of that uses linux, I'm the only Ubuntu user I know of.
[05:20] <adamant1988> I'm looking to change those numbers though.
[05:24] <nixternal> hehe
[05:24] <nixternal> dude...this is the first time there has been more then me and chanserv in there for more then an hour
[05:24] <nixternal> lol
[05:28] <adamant1988> lol cool
[05:30] <nixternal> lol
[05:30] <nixternal> hiya newz2000
[05:30] <nixternal> by newz2000
[05:33] <adamant1988> lol
[05:33] <adamant1988> yay cups update
[05:34] <adamant1988> *does this mean that my printer will start working*
[05:36] <nixternal> never
[05:36] <nixternal> how come cups works for me, and nobody else?
[05:37] <adamant1988> I have a crap printer
[06:27] <adamant1988> hello again all
[06:32] <nixternal> hello again
[06:32] <nixternal> ubuntu chicago scheduled it's first ever meeting tonight
[06:35] <adamant1988> oh yeah?
[06:35] <adamant1988> awesome :)
[06:35] <adamant1988> I might have to start using open offices project managment software
[07:12] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntu.ca/Edubuntu-casestudy.png
[07:12] <Burgundavia> thoughts?
[07:17] <nixternal> simple and clean..the way i like it
[07:17] <ormiret> Burgundavia: that for the mag or SU leaflets (or other)?
[07:17] <nixternal> looks good Burgundavia
[07:17] <nixternal> other
[07:17] <Burgundavia> neither
[07:18] <Burgundavia> a case study for edubuntu that I am currently writing
[07:18] <ormiret> OK, looks good anyway :)
[07:19] <Burgundavia> I am focusing on marketing to teachers, decision makers and other corporate/large environment people
[07:19] <Burgundavia> it is what I do in my day job
[07:22] <ormiret> excelent - someone who is actually involved with the group they are trying to reach has a much better chance of success than someone looking in from the outside
[07:40] <Burgundavia> look at the case study again
[07:57] <adamant1988> hello all
[09:20] <Madpilot> http://clearnightsky.com/node/242
[09:24] <nixternal> nice Madpilot
[09:25] <nixternal> we need that guy here...he has great points that i have yet to see get brought up
[09:38] <adamant1988> hehe, I think I may have my fiance about to use Xubuntu :)
[09:58] <adamant1988> I agree with his points nixternal..
[09:58] <nixternal> he has some good ones, thats for sure
[09:58] <adamant1988> He made a great example out of Mac OSX.
[09:58] <nixternal> yes he did
[09:59] <adamant1988> It's not marketed as BSD and no one would know otherwise without being told.. but EVERYONE knows that ubuntu is linux.
[09:59] <adamant1988> perhaps the problem with linux lies not in the fact that it's so scattered, but in the fact that no distro has tried to hide the fact that it's linux.
[10:00] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:00] <Burgundavia> hiding the fact might be bad
[10:00] <Burgundavia> we can talk up the good without downplaying Linux
[10:00] <adamant1988> Really? Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to say "Ubuntu OS" ?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> we mostly already say that
[10:01] <adamant1988> Yeah, until you say Linux and then you have to spend all your time explaining that...
[10:01] <adamant1988> I don't think there should be any mention of being based off of debian, or even linux at all in the marketing of Ubuntu.
[10:02] <adamant1988> I think it would simplify the situation for new users a lot.
[10:03] <nixternal> well...we aren't only trying to marketing to the new users....by telling current users hey, check us out, we are designed off of debian, so if you are used to that, and like a great community, then Ubuntu is your os
[10:03] <adamant1988> Speaking of which, my technophobe fiance is SOOO close to trying Xubuntu on her outdated comp
[10:03] <nixternal> s/marketing/market
[10:03] <nixternal> current linux users that is also
[10:03] <adamant1988> Yeah, but current linux users are (mostly) power users anyway and would know that ubuntu is a debian based distro (look at all the press it gets from that).
[10:04] <nixternal> if we use debian in there, and person gets to researching debian, and they see the stong history debian has had, it only helps
[10:04] <adamant1988> most current linux users have had to do quite a bit of research to begin with to find a distro that suits them, I'd find it hard to believe they didn't know ubuntu is debian based.
[10:05] <nixternal> true
[10:05] <adamant1988> What I'm saying is that ubuntu is much more friendly to a user if the use of jargon is limited severely
[10:06] <adamant1988> it's a BASIC rule and I can't believe it's been so overlooked by everyone... (myself included).
[10:06] <nixternal> still the fact lies in, you market the history of Ubuntu, it is a short 2 years that has grown rapidly, great but still it is young, then you let them know but we are designed off of debian which has more then 10+ years of solid existance
[10:06] <nixternal> it only stresses the strengths
[10:06] <adamant1988> Yeah, but you can stress the strengths without the history lesson to confuse.
[10:07] <adamant1988> As a new user I don't want to know about Ubuntus great grandpappys stability.  In the eyes of a new user they're not the same product, they want to know about ubuntu in the here and now.
[10:07] <nixternal> letting someone know the history that is new to the world of linux is good, since all they hear is microsoft and thats all they have known for 10 years
[10:07] <adamant1988> But are we marketing linux or Ubuntu?
[10:07] <nixternal> well, during that 10 years while they were blind to the strong linux market, debian has grown, and ubuntu has spawned
[10:08] <nixternal> it doesn't have to be a focus, but it is a point
[10:08] <adamant1988> I have to say I'm going to give this a try with my fiance
[10:08] <nixternal> hehe
[10:08] <adamant1988> I'm going to stop using the word linux around her
[10:08] <nixternal> that is awesome
[10:08] <adamant1988> I'm just going to say Ubuntu
[10:08] <nixternal> get her on Xubuntu
[10:08] <nixternal> speaking of linux
[10:08] <adamant1988> all of the derivatives, they're just Ubuntu
[10:08] <nixternal> im gonna goto bed ;)
[10:09] <nixternal> lol
[10:09] <adamant1988> and I'll let you know how that works.
[10:09] <nixternal> dude..it is 4am there..wth you doing up?
[10:09] <adamant1988> I take stimulants
[10:09] <nixternal> heh
[10:09] <adamant1988> and I was talking to my fiance (she was up late)
[10:09] <nixternal> viagra don't count as a stimulant
[10:09] <nixternal> well ig uess it does
[10:10] <adamant1988> no need for that. I'm young ;)
[10:10] <nixternal> haha
[10:10] <adamant1988> and no, but ritalin does
[10:11] <nixternal> im dog dead tired, and i have a hackathon tomorrow..actually im going to learn some more python and ruby
[10:11] <adamant1988> I have to cash my checks tomorrow
[10:11] <nixternal> and to meet up with some dev's so i can learn ;)
[10:11] <adamant1988> and I need to get my project in to OOO managment software...
[10:11] <nixternal> ooh..i have to pick up checks tomorrow
[10:11] <nixternal> omg..in 5 hours at that
[10:11] <adamant1988> bye
[10:11] <nixternal> speaking of OOo, 2.0.3 is being backported for dapper soon
[10:11] <adamant1988> oh yeah?
[10:11] <nixternal> yp
[10:11] <nixternal> ypu
[10:11] <nixternal> fdjalsjfdsa
[10:11] <adamant1988> is the backports a good thing to use?
[10:12] <nixternal> yes
[10:12] <adamant1988> I didn't enable them
[10:12] <nixternal> that is what they use for updates after a release
[10:12] <adamant1988> oh wait
[10:12] <adamant1988> you mean that ooo is getting updated
[10:12] <nixternal> yes
[10:12] <adamant1988> I thought the backports are another repo like multi
[10:12] <nixternal> there will be a 2.0.3 package soon
[10:12] <nixternal> hopefully this week
[10:12] <adamant1988> that's great.
[10:12] <adamant1988> when's the new inkscape one?
[10:13] <nixternal> probably soon since crimsun uses it
[10:13] <nixternal> lol
[10:13] <adamant1988> lol ok
[10:13] <adamant1988> goodnight
[10:13] <nixternal> alrighty
[10:13] <nixternal> good night no sleepin' boy...do some marketing at 4am door to door....and report your progress ;)
[10:13] <nixternal> fromt he hospital probably
[10:15] <adamant1988> lol
[11:28] <matthewrevell> Morning all
[11:29] <matthewrevell> k
[11:29] <matthewrevell> Oops, slipped
[11:32] <hybrid> moring matthewrevell
[11:32] <darkmatter_> morning :)
[11:32] <matthewrevell> Howdy.
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all
[11:34] <hybrid> :D
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey hybrid :D! *waves back
[11:36] <darkmatter_> hey Kamping_Kaiser... how are you this fine morning?
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> darkmatter_, um. /i'm/ fine, fraid my laptops not :(
[11:37] <hybrid> lol
[11:37] <darkmatter_> :(
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hybrid, :|
[11:38] <darkmatter_> that sounds like its not a good thing
[11:38] <hybrid> sorry the fact that you emphasised you were ok was comical
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i see :|
[11:38] <hybrid> if my notebook wasnt ok neither would i be
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> darkmatter_, yeh,... dying hdd. it falls over every 15-30 minutes. i'm  madly syncing it with my desktop trying to get as much unrecoverable data as i can out
[11:39] <darkmatter_> eek!
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> fraid so :|, otherwise, i'm doing great :)
[11:39] <darkmatter_> one of my hdd's is dying too... but I get the replacement on the 10th :)
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool :)
[11:40] <darkmatter_> hmm.... can I hit you guys up for some honest critisism/opinions???
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure.
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> you suck :P
[11:41] <darkmatter_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/tags/gslab/<--- what do you all think???
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> (joke!)
[11:41] <darkmatter_> LOL
[11:41] <darkmatter_> haha
[11:41] <darkmatter_> :P
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> darkmatter_, its loading... damn shaped internet
[11:49] <darkmatter_> lol
[11:51] <Burgundavia> darkmatter_: doesn't really fit and I think one giant menu is a bad idea
[11:53] <darkmatter_> well... yesh... but some like the slab... I'm just trying to make it look a little better... though I think the big bold text is a little overboard imho.. but hey... that why its a mockup :)
[11:54] <Burgundavia> isn't that menu in gnome cvs anyway?
[11:54] <darkmatter_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/183204582/in/photostream/ <--- thats actually a little closer to what the code version will actually look like
[11:54] <darkmatter_> yup.. it is... but it looks different
[11:54] <Burgundavia> how so?
[11:55] <darkmatter_> I haven't gotten around to replacing the system or status tiles yet
[11:55] <darkmatter_> I sec
[11:56] <darkmatter_> Burgundavia, http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=689&slide=24&title=suse+desktop+10+rc3+screenshots <-- thats what the actual slab looks like
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> darkmatter_, that layout can ojjnly be usefull if your app is in the 6 there, otherwise its a pita :)
[11:56] <darkmatter_> still basic elements, etc
[11:56] <Burgundavia> darkmatter_: I really don't like how both of them don't look like standard gtk widgets
[11:57] <darkmatter_> I'm just trying to make it a little more.... hmm.. well laid out
[11:57] <darkmatter_> Burgundavia... because they aren't standard widgets
[11:57] <Burgundavia> that is an issue
[11:57] <darkmatter_> they're tiles
[11:57] <Burgundavia> there is a reason why standard widgets exist
[11:58] <Burgundavia> remember, different scares users
[11:58] <darkmatter_> http://guadec.org/node/241
[11:58] <Burgundavia> you can have tiles but still have it look like gtk
[11:58] <Burgundavia> currently that menu does not
[11:58] <darkmatter_> true
[11:59] <Burgundavia> however, I do like the idea of tiles
[11:59] <darkmatter_> to an extent atleast
[11:59] <darkmatter_> (the scares users part)
[11:59] <darkmatter_> yesh... tiles are great
[05:06] <adamant1988> hello all.
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey