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omeowHi02:34
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DrakesonI have just updated to current edgy (after the intird/grub/kernel glitch). Now the hinting and anti-aliasing of text in Qt applications looks awful. has anyone noted that or I am missing something?06:29
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imbrandonHobbsee, ping 08:49
Hobbseeheya imbrandon 08:49
imbrandonheya i just updated the konvo nitely, has some svn stuff new, dunno what it is though 08:50
imbrandonlol08:50
imbrandonthought you might wanna update08:50
imbrandonbrb08:50
Hobbseeimbrandon: when i checked the repos, there was nothing. 08:50
imbrandonHobbsee, i just did it like less than 5 min ago08:50
Hobbseeimbrandon: ah okay08:50
Hobbseeimbrandon: looks like dcc*send stuff.  nice.09:15
imbrandonhehe yea i wasent sure , i just seen the updates09:15
=== Hobbsee checked the changes in svn and the commit messages.
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imbrandonHobbsee, btw just FYI i'm keeping the old ones in the repo so if something terribly breaks one day you can get an old version from a day or two back09:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: sounds good to me.09:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: of course, that's in apt too - unless it gets cleaned out09:16
imbrandoni just sent it out yesterday afternoon, he probbly wont get it till monday morn09:16
Hobbseegood point.  he was askign about it this morning.09:16
imbrandon( weekends )09:16
Hobbseehmmm...what are they?09:16
imbrandonheheh09:17
Hobbseethey're the things you work for most hours in, arent they?09:17
imbrandonhehe right right09:18
Hobbseebug 36058109:37
Hobbseedebian 36058109:37
UbugtuDebian bug 360581 in nufw "Subject: nufw: Broken debconf template" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/36058109:37
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zakamehi all10:20
imbrandoncd ~/kde4/qt-copy10:20
imbrandonerr heya zakame10:20
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Tonio_yo12:08
uniqhi.12:08
=== Tonio_ hates scons
uniqwhy? :)12:12
uniqpackaging scons packages? 12:12
danimoheya Tonio_12:14
Tonio_hey danimo ;)12:14
Tonio_uniq: yes, I have an issue with kde apps ans scons packages.... they all fail but I don't see the point...12:15
Tonio_I suspect an issue with kdelibs...12:15
Tonio_scons: *** Dependency cycle: doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en -> doc -> .12:15
Tonio_File "/tmp/buildd/kio-locate-0.4.5/scons-mini/scons-local-0.96.1/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 145, in _find_next_ready_node12:15
Tonio_here is the error... it always fail at that point12:15
Tonio_standard scons has the same error than mini-scons12:15
uniqhmm..12:16
Tonio_I need to discuss this with \sh_away12:16
Tonio_he is a python specialist12:17
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uniqtonio_: is the sourcepackage for kio-locate available online somewhere? 12:17
Tonio_uniq sure12:17
Tonio_uniq : kde-apps.org12:17
Tonio_you'll find the tarball there...12:18
Tonio_the tarball already has debian folder and everything you need12:18
uniqah.. ok.12:18
Tonio_so just launch the build if you wana have a look12:18
uniqwill do.12:18
Tonio_Lure: ping ?12:23
LureTonio_: hi12:23
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Tonio_Lure: since you follow knetworkmanager very closely, do you think we should sync to svn ?12:23
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Tonio_Lure: afaics, there is no major change since we build the latest packages....12:24
Tonio_so unless the wallet stange but is resolved, I don't think it is necessary to update12:24
LureTonio_: I did not check recently, I know that major development is now on separate branch, but I think it is more planned for kde412:24
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LureTonio_: true, if there is no real fix, not worth the effort12:24
Tonio_Lure: I think so yes :)12:25
Tonio_so let's focus on universe apps until I find the solution to that scons issue....12:25
Lurethere were some patches floating in mailing list but not sure if they were accepted in svn12:25
Tonio_Lure: thanks !12:25
Tonio_Lure: ho, and I think about removing wlassistant12:25
Tonio_kwlan is really, really better :)12:25
Tonio_that'll probably be the default for edgy12:26
Lurealso WPA2?12:26
Tonio_yep !!12:26
Luretray or standalone app?12:26
Tonio_tray*12:26
Lurethat may be confusing with knm...12:26
Tonio_the only thing is no daemon, so no userspace mode12:26
Tonio_it is more comparable to wlassistabt12:26
Tonio_except it can do everything knetworkmanager can do12:26
Tonio_Lure: it has a gui, but shows in the systray12:27
Tonio_I will probably had a "conflicts" between kwlan and knetworkmanager to avoid confusion12:27
Tonio_that's a clean way to do12:27
Tonio_same than what we do with kpowersave12:27
tomahi all12:28
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Lurehi toma12:29
Luretoma: any news about rsibreak backport? or do you have latest rsibreak for dapper somewhere?12:30
tomaLure: it is on www.rsibreak.org12:30
Lathiata    qfqwfefwef12:31
tomacats?12:31
Luretoma: seen that but have problems with that Dapper link - does it work for you?12:32
tomaallee: ^^^^ your sever down?12:33
tomaLure: wait untill it is up again or rebuild from edgy, it is small and the rebuild will go fine12:34
Lureso 0.7.1 is in edgy already?12:34
tomayes12:34
Lureok, will get source there and rebuild for dapper12:35
toma(thats why we are waiting for a backport)12:35
crimsun(and we can't upload to dapper-backports yet)12:41
tomacrimsun: why not?12:41
crimsunthe buildd side isn't ready12:42
tomacrimsun: i thought i heard the backports will open this cycle a lot earlier, is that true?12:43
crimsuntoma: edgy-backports will open with UVF iirc.12:45
tomathen they open around the same time ;-)12:45
crimsuntoma: I'm not entirely sure how the logistics work out given the buildd side.12:46
Lureis it possible to have multiple (dapper, edgy) pbuilder's on one system?12:53
tomaLure: the wiki sais something about it12:53
crimsunyes, it is12:54
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Lureok, thanks it looks straight forward12:56
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Hobbseehi all01:56
danimoheya Hobbsee01:57
Hobbseehey danimo :)01:57
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tomahi Hobbsee02:01
Hobbseehi toma!02:02
HobbseeTonio_: did you ever do that kopete patch re privacy?02:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: nope02:03
Tonio_I never worked on kopete packages02:03
HobbseeTonio_: i believe it got assigned to you, as you do k-d-s then just sat in the land of bugs that are there, confirmed, but nothing done about them.02:04
=== Hobbsee looked into doing it, but couldnt figure out how the config file was generated.
Tonio_Hobbsee: what does this patch ?02:05
HobbseeTonio_: you're wanting a bug #?02:05
Tonio_and more than this what does the bug ?02:05
Tonio_yep please ;)02:06
Tonio_just for info, I'm not the official maintainer of kds so I don't think the patches can be assigned to me02:06
Tonio_even if I'm doing the main work on it02:06
Hobbseebug 5038702:07
UbugtuMalone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5038702:07
HobbseeTonio_: it was discussed in the meeting02:07
omeowIs it christmas and is Tonio_ Santa Claus?02:07
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Hobbseeomeow: um, no?02:07
omeowIf so I'd love to see this in a new KDE version; http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=4058602:07
HobbseeTonio_: i didnt assign it.  who's the official maintainer?02:07
omeowIt only has SuSE packages at the moment. =/02:07
Hobbseeomeow: is it in debian?  presumably not.02:08
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Hobbsee!search xinerama02:08
ubotuFound: xinerama02:08
Tonio_Riddell is officially02:08
HobbseeTonio_: ah right, but anyone can modify it02:08
Tonio_but you can assign it to me if you want02:08
HobbseeTonio_: you should be assigned :P02:08
Tonio_yup02:08
Tonio_;)02:08
Tonio_plz do ;)02:08
Hobbseebesides assigned != who does the work.02:08
omeowWhat's that supposed to do, Hobbsee? :)02:08
Tonio_I'm on th euniverse merge, so it may take a few days, but I'll look at it02:09
Hobbsee!info xinerama edgy02:09
ubotuPackage xinerama does not exist in edgy02:09
HobbseeTonio_: yeah, that's cool02:09
Hobbsee!info xinerama02:09
ubotuPackage xinerama does not exist in dapper02:09
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omeowIn any case Hobbsee, I linked to the package because I thought this stuff would be useful to have in Kubuntu as well. :)02:09
Hobbseeomeow: know how to package at all?02:09
omeowNo clue (yet?). 02:10
HobbseeTonio_: i found where those settings are, ie, which file, but they all get autocreated somehow - the file isnt copied during install, and then modified02:10
Hobbsee!packagingguide02:10
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources02:10
Hobbsee!packagingguide > omeow 02:10
omeowI'm just a user trying to get the package in Kubuntu's next KDE upgrade. =P02:10
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omeow /s/package/patch02:10
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=== omeow reads.
Hobbseeoh, so we've got libxinerama, not xinerama.  weird.02:11
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay, I'll look at this02:12
Hobbseeomeow: please add it to the top of the list at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu with the link to the app.02:13
Hobbseeomeow: everything gets synced first, then we'll look at new stuff.02:13
Hobbseeuni freeze is ages away, which is good.02:13
omeowThank you Hobbsee. I will.02:13
=== Hobbsee updatse that page.
omeowHm, certificates still haven't been upgraded properly? =/02:14
=== Hobbsee doesnt think that most of those apps actually exist anymore. someone should go thru that page, sometime.
Hobbseeomeow: yeah, it's still screwed.02:14
Tonio_Hobbsee: this page is crappy since most apps are already in universe.....02:15
Tonio_I packaged kxmame and kftpgrabber for example02:15
HobbseeTonio_: nice, i was hoping the list wasnt that long02:15
HobbseeTonio_: however, it's good practice for us to get new packages in - those of us who dont put in many new things.02:16
Tonio_ktechlab is also packaged.... k9copy too.....02:16
HobbseeTonio_: take them off the list?02:16
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Hobbseeor were you looking at that patch?02:16
Tonio_Hobbsee: I should but I already have a big todo list ;)02:16
HobbseeTonio_: right, okay, dont worry then02:16
HobbseeTonio_: what's on your to do list?02:16
omeowurgh, why didn't the launchpad thing inform me that omega was already taken? Now I'm omega #10 =/02:16
Tonio_Hobbsee: no I was talking about the wikipage you talked about02:16
omeowoh well...02:16
Tonio_wiki, candidates02:16
imbrandonheh omeow02:17
Hobbseeomeow: you didnt look?02:17
Tonio_ktranslator is in.... kexi-mdb is in too02:17
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omeowI assumed I would have gotten a notification like most web software does. 02:17
Tonio_it looks like the wikipage has never been cleaned since breezy ;)02:17
Hobbseeokay, okay, i'll go thru it, then examine kvdr afterwards.02:17
=== omeow looks at the candidates page.
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omeowArf, ok. :) 02:18
Hobbseehehe02:18
omeowTell me when you're done. 02:18
imbrandonlol02:18
omeowI notice KRandRTray is in that list. 02:19
omeowThat package is actually present on Kubuntu Dapper, but it doesn't quite work, since if you want to configure your display settings, it loads an empty display module. But it can be used for switching resolutions.02:19
Hobbseeomeow: is there a bug there for that?02:20
omeowThe display module probably doesn't work because of the patches you guys did to the actual display module in KDE. 02:20
omeowHobbsee: I haven't the slightest.02:20
Hobbseeah02:20
imbrandonomeow, yea that why Hobbseeis updating that page, its quite out of date02:20
omeowhmhm.02:20
imbrandonomeow, are you looking for somethgin to package ?02:21
omeowSortof. I was hoping someone in here would take a look at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40586 and could attempt to merge/make a package for Kubuntu.02:21
omeow(I'm quite new to (k)ubuntu packaging, but someone gave me a link to some docs which I'm going through now.)02:22
Tonio_omeow: interesting but what about apps using xinerama ?02:23
=== Hobbsee looks. what was the app that was going to be used for keyboards and multimedia buttons and all that?
Hobbseekeytouch?02:23
Tonio_we had so many issue having something stable that I would be afraid patching qt/kde for this....02:23
omeowThat's the name of the package I think, Hobbsee. :)02:24
imbrandonHobbsee, KeyTouch ( is what we talked about in the first kcc meeting )02:24
Hobbseeimbrandon: nice, i've just noticed it here.02:24
imbrandonif that what ya mean02:24
omeowTonio_: Maybe so, but if you manage to make a package I'll be your private guinea pig. ;)02:24
Tonio_omeow: I may do it, but not now, since I have already a big list of packages to provide02:24
omeowTonio_: I think KDE really lacks proper window manage for if you use two screens. (I've posted some suggestions on that kde-apps.org page too, you could skim through them if you're interested.)02:24
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omeowTonio_: Sure, just give me a poke if you need a tester for that stuff. I'll gladly try to help.02:25
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=== Hobbsee wonders if keytouch = keytouch-editor
imbrandonHobbsee, no02:26
Hobbseeright02:26
imbrandonalmost02:26
omeowHobbsee: http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/02:26
imbrandonthey work togather02:26
imbrandonone makes the keymaps one uses them02:26
Hobbseewho's gborzi@ieee.org?02:27
Hobbseeah right02:27
Hobbseedo we recognise the address?02:27
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imbrandonquick google ?02:27
=== omeow was already googling. ;)
omeowGiuseppe Borzi'02:28
Hobbseedo we know them?02:28
=== Hobbsee is just going thru this very long list :P
tomawhat's up with keytoch?02:29
imbrandontoma, afaik it was going to be looked into for edgy as the default mmkey thingie ( from a prior kcc meeting )02:31
imbrandonlooked at by whom i dunno, Riddell maybe ? heh02:31
tomahmm, i only remembered i suggested it as an addition to guidance.02:32
imbrandonmaybe that was it too, i'm kinda fuzzy on it actualy02:32
imbrandononly rember it being mentioned02:32
=== Hobbsee thougth there was a spec on it.
=== Hobbsee is just culling this list.
tomaHobbsee: spec from jr?02:34
Hobbseetoma: probably - the laptop spec, if any02:35
imbrandonhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-05-22.html   <-- that was the meeting we talked about it although some reason i cant get that page to display02:35
Hobbseeimbrandon: sid's the unstable debian, isnt it?02:36
=== Hobbsee is sure it is.
imbrandonHobbsee, yea sid == stays in development ;)02:36
Hobbseenice02:36
tomaHobbsee: why is that called laptop buttons then?02:36
Hobbseeand if there's a debian sid repo of the app, then it should autosync.02:36
Hobbseeif not, come whinge at me for deleting it :P02:37
imbrandonhuh?02:37
Hobbseeimbrandon: just an app listed on this page.02:38
imbrandonohh02:38
Hobbseeall stuff from debian not in ubuntu just auto syncs, iirc.02:38
imbrandonshould afai understand it02:39
imbrandonshould have already i THINK ( to edgy )02:39
imbrandonif its new in sid02:39
Hobbseeyeah02:39
omeowHobbsee: Don't forget to give me a poke when you're done with that page.02:41
Hobbseeomeow: i wont02:42
omeowOk. *continues to read the packaging guide*02:42
imbrandonomeow, its not a one day thing ;) and there are plenty to help including me and Hobbsee in #ubuntu-motu ( the packaging channel )02:43
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omeowimbrandon: What's not a one day thing?02:45
imbrandonomeow, learning to package 02:46
imbrandon;)02:46
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omeowimbrandon: I've done some package editing for archlinux before. It wasn't very hard. (Just edit some stuff in a PKGBUILD and run makepkg. I'm sure there's more to it, but that's what I did. =P)02:48
imbrandonhehe02:48
Lureany laptop owner that can get missing keycodes for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopButtons (or confirm already specified ones)?03:03
LureHobbsee: around? did you work on (k)powersave? Otherwise I may try do do something tonight/tommorow03:05
HobbseeLure: i havent.  you're welcome to03:05
Lureok, will try to do something about it before vacation03:06
LureHobbsee: do you have laptop with special keys?03:07
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=== Hobbsee looks for special keys.
HobbseeLure: i have an eject?03:08
Hobbseeomeow: ping03:09
LureHobbsee: no sleep or volume control?03:09
LureHobbsee: can you run "xev" and press eject and report keycode?03:10
HobbseeLure: oh yeah, it's a toshiba, so it's got all the specy FN keys03:10
omeowHobbsee: Added.03:10
Hobbseeomeow: nice :)03:10
LureI would like to know if keycodes on your toshiba match the ones I wrote down on KubuntuLaptopButtons page (from my hp notebook and multimedia keyboard)03:11
HobbseeLure: how do i find which keycode?03:11
Lureyou run "xev" - more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch03:12
Lurerun "xev" in konsole then press the button and watch output - search for "keycode xxx" where xxx is the number I am interested in03:13
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LureHobbsee: example report: 03:14
Lurestate 0x0, keycode 223 (keysym 0x1008ff10, XF86Standby), same_screen YES,03:14
Lurehi Tonio_03:14
Tonio_Lure: I have a little issue and maybe you can help me on that point03:14
HobbseeLure:     state 0x0, keycode 36 (keysym 0xff0d, Return), same_screen YES,03:14
LureTonio_: you have vaio, yes?03:14
LureTonio_: shot!03:14
Hobbsee(woohoo, you can grep the output of an app)03:14
Tonio_Lure: I try to upgrade k9copy, but the source include a file called "progress.h"03:15
Tonio_it isn't in the tarball....03:15
Tonio_should that be in kdelibs ?03:15
Tonio_Lure: I have a vaio yes03:15
HobbseeLure: got the page handy where all of this gets recorded?03:15
=== Hobbsee will just do her interesting keys.
LureTonio_: was it renamed? dpkg -S progress.h claims:03:15
Lurek9copy: /usr/include/kde/k9dvdprogress.h03:16
Tonio_Lure: this file includes progress.h ;)03:16
Tonio_here is the issue03:16
Tonio_our version doesn't use that file, but newer ones do03:16
LureHobbsee: not really - you can start one... ;-)03:16
Tonio_I will probably contact upstream to have the info03:16
Tonio_Lure: it is too generic to be found like this....03:17
LureTonio_: yes, true... - probably some new dependancy...03:18
Lureor newer version of dependant package...03:18
HobbseeLure:     state 0x0, keycode 223 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, is my sleep03:18
tomaTonio_: isn't the required symbol in the k9dvdprogress.h?03:18
LureHobbsee: good, that matches - I need eject as I do not have one... ;-)03:19
HobbseeLure:     state 0x0, keycode 165 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, is my hybernate03:19
Hobbsee-y +i03:19
Hobbseefn+f5 already works - the switch display03:19
=== Hobbsee wonders if the mute key works.
Tonio_toma: let me pastebin you this ;)03:20
tomaTonio_: that is the latest version from k9copy? 03:20
HobbseeLure:     state 0x0, keycode 160 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, is the mute key.03:20
Tonio_toma: the problem starts with version 1.0.403:20
Tonio_and continues with 1.1-beta03:20
LureHobbsee: run: xmodmap -e 'keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute' 03:20
LureHobbsee: then mute will work ;-)03:21
Hobbseei'm not sure if mute works anwyay :P03:21
Tonio_toma: maybe it is an issue with debian/ubuntu packages that don't include this file03:21
tomaTonio_: let me try to build it from source03:21
Tonio_toma: thanks !03:22
Tonio_toma: let me know since I may contact upstream if you don't find03:23
=== Tonio_ back in an hour, seya
HobbseeLure: nice!  thanks!  will i have to do that every boot03:23
Hobbsee?03:23
=== Hobbsee notes that the rest of her buttons work. almost.
HobbseeLure:     state 0x50, keycode 115 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L), same_screen YES, is my windows key.03:24
Hobbseethe rest work :)03:24
Lurekeycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume03:24
Lurekeycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume03:24
LureHobbsee: ^^^ is for volume up/down03:24
HobbseeLure: i dont have those keys03:25
Lureok, nevermind ;-) ANyway, Edgy will have this out-of-the-box03:25
Hobbseeoh yeah, there's a lock key too03:25
Hobbseeno idea what in hell that's supposed to do - it's never done much of use in windows either...03:25
Hobbseeand a "swap power profiles" key, i think03:26
Hobbseeditto as to knowing what it's supposed todo03:26
=== toma sees no problem with k9copy
LureHobbsee: can you confirm (or update) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes03:33
HobbseeLure: define "battery"03:34
LureHobbsee: it is they key with battery icon ;-) - it opens battery status in WinXP (if I recall corectly)03:35
omeowSomewhat related to keycodes... are there any applications that easily let me bind functions to my mouse buttons?03:35
Lureomeow: normally mouse buttons emit same keycodes as keyboard buttons - for example my Genius scroll mouse works nicely03:36
=== Hobbsee doesnt seem to have such a key. only a battery status changer thing.
=== Hobbsee has no idea what it's supposed to do.
Lureyou can use "xev" to find which keycode is emitted and then use xmodmap to assign some useful keysym to that keycode03:36
=== Hobbsee edits the keycodes page.
omeowI have a Logitech MX510, and I have no idea how to set up my other mouse buttons. I found a guide for Gentoo, but it seems complicated and involves much console work.03:37
LureHobbsee: you probably need to read the laptop manual to find out ;-)03:37
Lureomeow: run "xev" from terminal/Konsole and press the button and check the output03:38
HobbseeLure: heh03:38
omeowLure: There seems to be loads of events for a single mouse button.03:39
abattoir_Lure: the media buttons work w/ an Acer... pause/play, stop, rew,next, vol.up/down and mute.03:39
Lureomeow: true, just watch for KeyPress (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes)03:39
abattoir_i mean, the same keycodes :) 03:39
Lureabattoir_: out of the box?03:40
HobbseeLure: do you want the ones listed there that work?03:40
Hobbseeor just the ones that dont work?03:40
Lureabattoir_: can you add keycodes to above page (I do not want that we introduce any regression)03:40
LureHobbsee: all03:40
Hobbseenot yet though03:40
abattoir_Lure: ugh no, works if i choose an Acer model in Kcontrol->Languages->Layout03:41
HobbseeLure: oh bleh.03:41
Lureabattoir_: ok, that is right - we are currenty working on solution that would make them work withou selection of keyboard layout03:41
omeowLure: I'm not talking about keyboard buttons, I'm talking about mouse buttons. They do not have KeyPress events.03:41
abattoir_Lure, they are the same as what you have listed, so i should confirm that they are the same for an Acer?03:41
Lurethat way laptop buttons should just work and you could use keyboard layout for optional external multimedia keyboard03:42
Lureomeow: correct, by mouse buttons on my mouse emit KeyPress events03:42
Lureabattoir_: yes - I just want to have as complete list as possible (that we do not miss keys like Hibernate or Lock that Hobbsee has) or that we do not have any mismatch03:43
Hobbseeoh dear, my mouse fubar'd03:44
Hobbseeoh darn03:44
=== Hobbsee wonders where to paste this stuff so she doesnt have to figure it out again.
LureHobbsee: wiki.u.c?03:45
HobbseeLure: cant, very little mouse03:45
Hobbseek-devel can take 4 lines :P03:45
Hobbsee|| Windows Key || || 115 ||03:45
Hobbsee|| Switch screen - laptop screen, external screen, or both || || 03:45
Hobbsee|| Lock screen || || 146 ||03:45
Hobbsee|| Power Modes || || 241 ||03:45
omeowLure: Here's what my mouse button seems to emit; http://omeow.ath.cx/MX510-events.log03:45
Hobbseeah ha!03:46
=== Hobbsee has no official mouse, but can still move it :P
Lureomeow: yes, that is different - probably need to have X driver to support it...03:47
Hobbseebleh, who needs a mouse anyway :P03:48
LureHobbsee: ok, so it seems that your "Power Modes" is same as my "Battery" button...03:48
HobbseeLure: right, yep.  that'd make sense03:48
LureHobbsee: the idea is that this key should open klaptop/kpowersave or whatever will be power management UI in edgy...03:49
HobbseeLure: very nice :)03:49
=== Hobbsee couldnt get some of her keys to output.
LureHobbsee: those are most probably HW keys (on my laptop this is switch screen and three buttons for brightness control)03:50
LureHobbsee: they are controled in HW (BIOS...) and OS like Linux cannot use them03:51
HobbseeLure: ah okay...03:51
=== Hobbsee isnt concerned - those keys work by default.
Hobbseenice, kionjb is just a straight sync from debian testing.03:51
=== Hobbsee wonders how to do that.
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Hobbseemouse works now03:58
LureHobbsee: can you check eject again - 36 is return on my keyboard03:59
HobbseeLure: 36 is return here too04:00
Lureso what is Eject button?04:01
HobbseeLure: got no idea, it's not coming up04:01
LureHobbsee: maybe HW key too... Does it eject CD/DVD?04:02
HobbseeLure: yep04:02
Lureok, will remove it from table04:04
Hobbseehttp://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/lila-theme/trunk/lila/kde/ChangeLog?rev=230&view=markup04:20
Hobbseeoops04:20
Hobbseeum, if i've got 4 sets of icons, all different colours of the same design, should i package them separately, or in one big package?04:21
Hobbseeomeow: you still around?04:32
Hobbseeewww...these are patches for libs.04:33
=== Hobbsee isnt goign to touch them.
omeowYes, I am.04:34
=== Hobbsee was going to get you to test - but i'm not patching those kinda libs.
omeowI know, it's a biggie. :)04:34
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Hobbseenixternal_: ping?04:54
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Hobbseehi jjesse 05:07
Hobbseechmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/kdocker-1.3/./configure': No such file or directory.  darn.05:09
jjessehya Hobbsee05:09
Lurehi jjesse05:13
Lurecan you help with laptop buttons?05:13
Lurejjesse: I am looking for laptop owners that can fill this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes05:14
HobbseeLure: imbrandon has a laptop - a mac05:14
LureHobbsee: good to know, but he is not here currently05:15
HobbseeLure: true05:15
jjesseLure: ok05:16
Lurejjesse: great05:16
=== toma is having fun with k9copy
=== Hobbsee is having fun with this weird package
Hobbseetoma: what "fun"?05:31
=== omeow is having fun with mockups.
=== Hobbsee bleh.
Hobbseei wonder what you do when there's no configure file.05:32
tomaHobbsee: normaly .ui files get expanded to .h and .cpp files05:32
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omeowtype ./configure05:32
Hobbseeomeow: you can only execute a file that exists, that's the problem.05:32
omeowautoconf? or something? 05:32
=== omeow is clearly not an expert.
Hobbseethere's a makefile, but no configure.  and my cdbs foo isnt very good - but my debhelper foo is even worse05:32
tomaHobbsee: but in debian build it is created in obj-i486-bla folder05:33
Hobbseenot sure - i added that as a b-d...no, i added automake...05:33
tomaHobbsee: i wonder how to include that from a source file now05:33
=== Hobbsee tries with autoconf in there as well.
Hobbseetoma: no idea, sorry05:34
=== Hobbsee is kinda braindead.
tomaHobbsee: np05:34
omeowHobbsee: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89238 05:36
UbugtuKDE bug 89238 in Konqueror Plugin "Konqueror archive-plugin should provide more verbose output" [Wishlist,New]  05:36
=== Hobbsee looks.
Hobbseeomeow: why's that being sent to me?05:38
=== Hobbsee is confused.
omeowI was just showing what I was mocking up. =P05:38
Hobbseeah :P05:38
Hobbseewoohoo!  and it still dies!05:38
Hobbseeomeow: ah yes, that sort of thing would be good05:38
=== Hobbsee tends to find that ark crashes for such things.
omeowYeah it's quite buggy. =/05:39
omeowI voted for most of the stuff I thought where definitely in need of some change.05:39
omeowEspecially a fix for drag and dropping.05:39
Hobbseetrue05:39
Hobbseeomeow: goign to code it?  :P05:40
omeowI am not a programmer. Currently I can only use software and give feedback to developers with the hopes of changing their minds to change things.05:40
Hobbseetrue05:40
=== Hobbsee is not an upstream developer.
Hobbseetoma is, though05:41
Hobbseeafaik he's never touched ark though.05:41
tomanope05:41
Hobbseeomeow: what'd you do that mockup in, out of curiousity?05:41
omeowQT Designer.05:41
Hobbseeah yep05:42
omeowCurrently playing around with one for mouse button configuration.05:42
omeowhttp://omeow.ath.cx/mouseconfig2.png05:42
=== Hobbsee beds. night all.
omeowo/05:43
tomaHobbsee: nite05:44
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nixternalhiya Hobbsee05:47
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Hobbseeheya05:48
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Lure_it seems that my gmail account does not allow to send mails as @kubuntu.org... :-(05:56
=== Lure_ has to find publicm SMTP server that would allow me to send as @kubuntu.org
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tomaLure_: most smtp-servers would allow that when you authenticate or come from an ip-number from that provider06:00
Hobbseewhee!  this is fun!  trying to make an app crash :P06:00
tomahey, tou are asleep06:00
tomayou06:00
Hobbseetoma: i was going to, but then i made konvi crash, so reported the bug for it, and am searching for more.06:01
Lure_toma: just gmail does not - will another provider of mine...06:02
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Hobbsee_hehehehehehe....gotta love teasing people.06:16
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tomakangaroo?06:19
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bddebianHowdy08:54
uniqhi.08:58
bddebianHello uniq08:59
uniqhello :)08:59
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jjessewhat was that page for laptop keys?10:03
uniqwiki page? 10:17
uniqhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopButtons ? 10:17
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uniqhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes10:17
uniqor https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch10:17
jjessethe third one thanks10:39
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tomai'm looking at #kubuntu, i'm really surprisez at the non-stopping amount of questions.11:38
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omeowSurely it means that you're doing a bad job at things. ;)11:44
tomahaha11:45
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