[02:34] <omeow> Hi
[06:29] <Drakeson> I have just updated to current edgy (after the intird/grub/kernel glitch). Now the hinting and anti-aliasing of text in Qt applications looks awful. has anyone noted that or I am missing something?
[08:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ping 
[08:49] <Hobbsee> heya imbrandon 
[08:50] <imbrandon> heya i just updated the konvo nitely, has some svn stuff new, dunno what it is though 
[08:50] <imbrandon> lol
[08:50] <imbrandon> thought you might wanna update
[08:50] <imbrandon> brb
[08:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: when i checked the repos, there was nothing. 
[08:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i just did it like less than 5 min ago
[08:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah okay
[09:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looks like dcc*send stuff.  nice.
[09:15] <imbrandon> hehe yea i wasent sure , i just seen the updates
[09:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, btw just FYI i'm keeping the old ones in the repo so if something terribly breaks one day you can get an old version from a day or two back
[09:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sounds good to me.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: of course, that's in apt too - unless it gets cleaned out
[09:16] <imbrandon> i just sent it out yesterday afternoon, he probbly wont get it till monday morn
[09:16] <Hobbsee> good point.  he was askign about it this morning.
[09:16] <imbrandon> ( weekends )
[09:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm...what are they?
[09:17] <imbrandon> heheh
[09:17] <Hobbsee> they're the things you work for most hours in, arent they?
[09:18] <imbrandon> hehe right right
[09:37] <Hobbsee> bug 360581
[09:37] <Hobbsee> debian 360581
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 360581 in nufw "Subject: nufw: Broken debconf template" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/360581
[10:20] <zakame> hi all
[10:20] <imbrandon> cd ~/kde4/qt-copy
[10:20] <imbrandon> err heya zakame
[12:08] <Tonio_> yo
[12:08] <uniq> hi.
[12:12] <uniq> why? :)
[12:12] <uniq> packaging scons packages? 
[12:14] <danimo> heya Tonio_
[12:14] <Tonio_> hey danimo ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> uniq: yes, I have an issue with kde apps ans scons packages.... they all fail but I don't see the point...
[12:15] <Tonio_> I suspect an issue with kdelibs...
[12:15] <Tonio_> scons: *** Dependency cycle: doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en -> doc -> .
[12:15] <Tonio_> File "/tmp/buildd/kio-locate-0.4.5/scons-mini/scons-local-0.96.1/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 145, in _find_next_ready_node
[12:15] <Tonio_> here is the error... it always fail at that point
[12:15] <Tonio_> standard scons has the same error than mini-scons
[12:16] <uniq> hmm..
[12:16] <Tonio_> I need to discuss this with \sh_away
[12:17] <Tonio_> he is a python specialist
[12:17] <uniq> tonio_: is the sourcepackage for kio-locate available online somewhere? 
[12:17] <Tonio_> uniq sure
[12:17] <Tonio_> uniq : kde-apps.org
[12:18] <Tonio_> you'll find the tarball there...
[12:18] <Tonio_> the tarball already has debian folder and everything you need
[12:18] <uniq> ah.. ok.
[12:18] <Tonio_> so just launch the build if you wana have a look
[12:18] <uniq> will do.
[12:23] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[12:23] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[12:23] <Tonio_> Lure: since you follow knetworkmanager very closely, do you think we should sync to svn ?
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure: afaics, there is no major change since we build the latest packages....
[12:24] <Tonio_> so unless the wallet stange but is resolved, I don't think it is necessary to update
[12:24] <Lure> Tonio_: I did not check recently, I know that major development is now on separate branch, but I think it is more planned for kde4
[12:24] <Lure> Tonio_: true, if there is no real fix, not worth the effort
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: I think so yes :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> so let's focus on universe apps until I find the solution to that scons issue....
[12:25] <Lure> there were some patches floating in mailing list but not sure if they were accepted in svn
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks !
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: ho, and I think about removing wlassistant
[12:25] <Tonio_> kwlan is really, really better :)
[12:26] <Tonio_> that'll probably be the default for edgy
[12:26] <Lure> also WPA2?
[12:26] <Tonio_> yep !!
[12:26] <Lure> tray or standalone app?
[12:26] <Tonio_> tray*
[12:26] <Lure> that may be confusing with knm...
[12:26] <Tonio_> the only thing is no daemon, so no userspace mode
[12:26] <Tonio_> it is more comparable to wlassistabt
[12:26] <Tonio_> except it can do everything knetworkmanager can do
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: it has a gui, but shows in the systray
[12:27] <Tonio_> I will probably had a "conflicts" between kwlan and knetworkmanager to avoid confusion
[12:27] <Tonio_> that's a clean way to do
[12:27] <Tonio_> same than what we do with kpowersave
[12:28] <toma> hi all
[12:29] <Lure> hi toma
[12:30] <Lure> toma: any news about rsibreak backport? or do you have latest rsibreak for dapper somewhere?
[12:30] <toma> Lure: it is on www.rsibreak.org
[12:31] <Lathiat> a    qfqwfefwef
[12:31] <toma> cats?
[12:32] <Lure> toma: seen that but have problems with that Dapper link - does it work for you?
[12:33] <toma> allee: ^^^^ your sever down?
[12:34] <toma> Lure: wait untill it is up again or rebuild from edgy, it is small and the rebuild will go fine
[12:34] <Lure> so 0.7.1 is in edgy already?
[12:34] <toma> yes
[12:35] <Lure> ok, will get source there and rebuild for dapper
[12:35] <toma> (thats why we are waiting for a backport)
[12:41] <crimsun> (and we can't upload to dapper-backports yet)
[12:41] <toma> crimsun: why not?
[12:42] <crimsun> the buildd side isn't ready
[12:43] <toma> crimsun: i thought i heard the backports will open this cycle a lot earlier, is that true?
[12:45] <crimsun> toma: edgy-backports will open with UVF iirc.
[12:45] <toma> then they open around the same time ;-)
[12:46] <crimsun> toma: I'm not entirely sure how the logistics work out given the buildd side.
[12:53] <Lure> is it possible to have multiple (dapper, edgy) pbuilder's on one system?
[12:53] <toma> Lure: the wiki sais something about it
[12:54] <crimsun> yes, it is
[12:56] <Lure> ok, thanks it looks straight forward
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hi all
[01:57] <danimo> heya Hobbsee
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey danimo :)
[02:01] <toma> hi Hobbsee
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hi toma!
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you ever do that kopete patch re privacy?
[02:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope
[02:03] <Tonio_> I never worked on kopete packages
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i believe it got assigned to you, as you do k-d-s then just sat in the land of bugs that are there, confirmed, but nothing done about them.
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what does this patch ?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're wanting a bug #?
[02:05] <Tonio_> and more than this what does the bug ?
[02:06] <Tonio_> yep please ;)
[02:06] <Tonio_> just for info, I'm not the official maintainer of kds so I don't think the patches can be assigned to me
[02:06] <Tonio_> even if I'm doing the main work on it
[02:07] <Hobbsee> bug 50387
[02:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50387
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it was discussed in the meeting
[02:07] <omeow> Is it christmas and is Tonio_ Santa Claus?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> omeow: um, no?
[02:07] <omeow> If so I'd love to see this in a new KDE version; http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40586
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i didnt assign it.  who's the official maintainer?
[02:07] <omeow> It only has SuSE packages at the moment. =/
[02:08] <Hobbsee> omeow: is it in debian?  presumably not.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> !search xinerama
[02:08] <ubotu> Found: xinerama
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell is officially
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah right, but anyone can modify it
[02:08] <Tonio_> but you can assign it to me if you want
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you should be assigned :P
[02:08] <Tonio_> yup
[02:08] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:08] <Tonio_> plz do ;)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> besides assigned != who does the work.
[02:08] <omeow> What's that supposed to do, Hobbsee? :)
[02:09] <Tonio_> I'm on th euniverse merge, so it may take a few days, but I'll look at it
[02:09] <Hobbsee> !info xinerama edgy
[02:09] <ubotu> Package xinerama does not exist in edgy
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, that's cool
[02:09] <Hobbsee> !info xinerama
[02:09] <ubotu> Package xinerama does not exist in dapper
[02:09] <omeow> In any case Hobbsee, I linked to the package because I thought this stuff would be useful to have in Kubuntu as well. :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> omeow: know how to package at all?
[02:10] <omeow> No clue (yet?). 
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i found where those settings are, ie, which file, but they all get autocreated somehow - the file isnt copied during install, and then modified
[02:10] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[02:10] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[02:10] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide > omeow 
[02:10] <omeow> I'm just a user trying to get the package in Kubuntu's next KDE upgrade. =P
[02:10] <omeow>  /s/package/patch
[02:11] <Hobbsee> oh, so we've got libxinerama, not xinerama.  weird.
[02:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay, I'll look at this
[02:13] <Hobbsee> omeow: please add it to the top of the list at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu with the link to the app.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> omeow: everything gets synced first, then we'll look at new stuff.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> uni freeze is ages away, which is good.
[02:13] <omeow> Thank you Hobbsee. I will.
[02:14] <omeow> Hm, certificates still haven't been upgraded properly? =/
[02:14] <Hobbsee> omeow: yeah, it's still screwed.
[02:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: this page is crappy since most apps are already in universe.....
[02:15] <Tonio_> I packaged kxmame and kftpgrabber for example
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice, i was hoping the list wasnt that long
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: however, it's good practice for us to get new packages in - those of us who dont put in many new things.
[02:16] <Tonio_> ktechlab is also packaged.... k9copy too.....
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: take them off the list?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> or were you looking at that patch?
[02:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I should but I already have a big todo list ;)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, okay, dont worry then
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's on your to do list?
[02:16] <omeow> urgh, why didn't the launchpad thing inform me that omega was already taken? Now I'm omega #10 =/
[02:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no I was talking about the wikipage you talked about
[02:16] <omeow> oh well...
[02:16] <Tonio_> wiki, candidates
[02:17] <imbrandon> heh omeow
[02:17] <Hobbsee> omeow: you didnt look?
[02:17] <Tonio_> ktranslator is in.... kexi-mdb is in too
[02:17] <omeow> I assumed I would have gotten a notification like most web software does. 
[02:17] <Tonio_> it looks like the wikipage has never been cleaned since breezy ;)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> okay, okay, i'll go thru it, then examine kvdr afterwards.
[02:18] <omeow> Arf, ok. :) 
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:18] <omeow> Tell me when you're done. 
[02:18] <imbrandon> lol
[02:19] <omeow> I notice KRandRTray is in that list. 
[02:19] <omeow> That package is actually present on Kubuntu Dapper, but it doesn't quite work, since if you want to configure your display settings, it loads an empty display module. But it can be used for switching resolutions.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> omeow: is there a bug there for that?
[02:20] <omeow> The display module probably doesn't work because of the patches you guys did to the actual display module in KDE. 
[02:20] <omeow> Hobbsee: I haven't the slightest.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:20] <imbrandon> omeow, yea that why Hobbseeis updating that page, its quite out of date
[02:20] <omeow> hmhm.
[02:21] <imbrandon> omeow, are you looking for somethgin to package ?
[02:21] <omeow> Sortof. I was hoping someone in here would take a look at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40586 and could attempt to merge/make a package for Kubuntu.
[02:22] <omeow> (I'm quite new to (k)ubuntu packaging, but someone gave me a link to some docs which I'm going through now.)
[02:23] <Tonio_> omeow: interesting but what about apps using xinerama ?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> keytouch?
[02:23] <Tonio_> we had so many issue having something stable that I would be afraid patching qt/kde for this....
[02:24] <omeow> That's the name of the package I think, Hobbsee. :)
[02:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, KeyTouch ( is what we talked about in the first kcc meeting )
[02:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice, i've just noticed it here.
[02:24] <imbrandon> if that what ya mean
[02:24] <omeow> Tonio_: Maybe so, but if you manage to make a package I'll be your private guinea pig. ;)
[02:24] <Tonio_> omeow: I may do it, but not now, since I have already a big list of packages to provide
[02:24] <omeow> Tonio_: I think KDE really lacks proper window manage for if you use two screens. (I've posted some suggestions on that kde-apps.org page too, you could skim through them if you're interested.)
[02:25] <omeow> Tonio_: Sure, just give me a poke if you need a tester for that stuff. I'll gladly try to help.
[02:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no
[02:26] <Hobbsee> right
[02:26] <imbrandon> almost
[02:26] <omeow> Hobbsee: http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/
[02:26] <imbrandon> they work togather
[02:26] <imbrandon> one makes the keymaps one uses them
[02:27] <Hobbsee> who's gborzi@ieee.org?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:27] <Hobbsee> do we recognise the address?
[02:27] <imbrandon> quick google ?
[02:28] <omeow> Giuseppe Borzi'
[02:28] <Hobbsee> do we know them?
[02:29] <toma> what's up with keytoch?
[02:31] <imbrandon> toma, afaik it was going to be looked into for edgy as the default mmkey thingie ( from a prior kcc meeting )
[02:31] <imbrandon> looked at by whom i dunno, Riddell maybe ? heh
[02:32] <toma> hmm, i only remembered i suggested it as an addition to guidance.
[02:32] <imbrandon> maybe that was it too, i'm kinda fuzzy on it actualy
[02:32] <imbrandon> only rember it being mentioned
[02:34] <toma> Hobbsee: spec from jr?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> toma: probably - the laptop spec, if any
[02:35] <imbrandon> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-05-22.html   <-- that was the meeting we talked about it although some reason i cant get that page to display
[02:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sid's the unstable debian, isnt it?
[02:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea sid == stays in development ;)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:36] <toma> Hobbsee: why is that called laptop buttons then?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> and if there's a debian sid repo of the app, then it should autosync.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> if not, come whinge at me for deleting it :P
[02:37] <imbrandon> huh?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: just an app listed on this page.
[02:38] <imbrandon> ohh
[02:38] <Hobbsee> all stuff from debian not in ubuntu just auto syncs, iirc.
[02:39] <imbrandon> should afai understand it
[02:39] <imbrandon> should have already i THINK ( to edgy )
[02:39] <imbrandon> if its new in sid
[02:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:41] <omeow> Hobbsee: Don't forget to give me a poke when you're done with that page.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> omeow: i wont
[02:42] <omeow> Ok. *continues to read the packaging guide*
[02:43] <imbrandon> omeow, its not a one day thing ;) and there are plenty to help including me and Hobbsee in #ubuntu-motu ( the packaging channel )
[02:45] <omeow> imbrandon: What's not a one day thing?
[02:46] <imbrandon> omeow, learning to package 
[02:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:48] <omeow> imbrandon: I've done some package editing for archlinux before. It wasn't very hard. (Just edit some stuff in a PKGBUILD and run makepkg. I'm sure there's more to it, but that's what I did. =P)
[02:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:03] <Lure> any laptop owner that can get missing keycodes for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopButtons (or confirm already specified ones)?
[03:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: around? did you work on (k)powersave? Otherwise I may try do do something tonight/tommorow
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: i havent.  you're welcome to
[03:06] <Lure> ok, will try to do something about it before vacation
[03:07] <Lure> Hobbsee: do you have laptop with special keys?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Lure: i have an eject?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> omeow: ping
[03:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: no sleep or volume control?
[03:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: can you run "xev" and press eject and report keycode?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: oh yeah, it's a toshiba, so it's got all the specy FN keys
[03:10] <omeow> Hobbsee: Added.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> omeow: nice :)
[03:11] <Lure> I would like to know if keycodes on your toshiba match the ones I wrote down on KubuntuLaptopButtons page (from my hp notebook and multimedia keyboard)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: how do i find which keycode?
[03:12] <Lure> you run "xev" - more info on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch
[03:13] <Lure> run "xev" in konsole then press the button and watch output - search for "keycode xxx" where xxx is the number I am interested in
[03:14] <Lure> Hobbsee: example report: 
[03:14] <Lure> state 0x0, keycode 223 (keysym 0x1008ff10, XF86Standby), same_screen YES,
[03:14] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[03:14] <Tonio_> Lure: I have a little issue and maybe you can help me on that point
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Lure:     state 0x0, keycode 36 (keysym 0xff0d, Return), same_screen YES,
[03:14] <Lure> Tonio_: you have vaio, yes?
[03:14] <Lure> Tonio_: shot!
[03:14] <Hobbsee> (woohoo, you can grep the output of an app)
[03:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I try to upgrade k9copy, but the source include a file called "progress.h"
[03:15] <Tonio_> it isn't in the tarball....
[03:15] <Tonio_> should that be in kdelibs ?
[03:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I have a vaio yes
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: got the page handy where all of this gets recorded?
[03:15] <Lure> Tonio_: was it renamed? dpkg -S progress.h claims:
[03:16] <Lure> k9copy: /usr/include/kde/k9dvdprogress.h
[03:16] <Tonio_> Lure: this file includes progress.h ;)
[03:16] <Tonio_> here is the issue
[03:16] <Tonio_> our version doesn't use that file, but newer ones do
[03:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: not really - you can start one... ;-)
[03:16] <Tonio_> I will probably contact upstream to have the info
[03:17] <Tonio_> Lure: it is too generic to be found like this....
[03:18] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, true... - probably some new dependancy...
[03:18] <Lure> or newer version of dependant package...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Lure:     state 0x0, keycode 223 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, is my sleep
[03:18] <toma> Tonio_: isn't the required symbol in the k9dvdprogress.h?
[03:19] <Lure> Hobbsee: good, that matches - I need eject as I do not have one... ;-)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Lure:     state 0x0, keycode 165 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, is my hybernate
[03:19] <Hobbsee> -y +i
[03:19] <Hobbsee> fn+f5 already works - the switch display
[03:20] <Tonio_> toma: let me pastebin you this ;)
[03:20] <toma> Tonio_: that is the latest version from k9copy? 
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Lure:     state 0x0, keycode 160 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES, is the mute key.
[03:20] <Tonio_> toma: the problem starts with version 1.0.4
[03:20] <Tonio_> and continues with 1.1-beta
[03:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: run: xmodmap -e 'keycode 160 = XF86AudioMute' 
[03:21] <Lure> Hobbsee: then mute will work ;-)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if mute works anwyay :P
[03:21] <Tonio_> toma: maybe it is an issue with debian/ubuntu packages that don't include this file
[03:21] <toma> Tonio_: let me try to build it from source
[03:22] <Tonio_> toma: thanks !
[03:23] <Tonio_> toma: let me know since I may contact upstream if you don't find
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Lure: nice!  thanks!  will i have to do that every boot
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Lure:     state 0x50, keycode 115 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L), same_screen YES, is my windows key.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> the rest work :)
[03:24] <Lure> keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume
[03:24] <Lure> keycode 176 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[03:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: ^^^ is for volume up/down
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont have those keys
[03:25] <Lure> ok, nevermind ;-) ANyway, Edgy will have this out-of-the-box
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, there's a lock key too
[03:25] <Hobbsee> no idea what in hell that's supposed to do - it's never done much of use in windows either...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> and a "swap power profiles" key, i think
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ditto as to knowing what it's supposed todo
[03:33] <Lure> Hobbsee: can you confirm (or update) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Lure: define "battery"
[03:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is they key with battery icon ;-) - it opens battery status in WinXP (if I recall corectly)
[03:35] <omeow> Somewhat related to keycodes... are there any applications that easily let me bind functions to my mouse buttons?
[03:36] <Lure> omeow: normally mouse buttons emit same keycodes as keyboard buttons - for example my Genius scroll mouse works nicely
[03:36] <Lure> you can use "xev" to find which keycode is emitted and then use xmodmap to assign some useful keysym to that keycode
[03:37] <omeow> I have a Logitech MX510, and I have no idea how to set up my other mouse buttons. I found a guide for Gentoo, but it seems complicated and involves much console work.
[03:37] <Lure> Hobbsee: you probably need to read the laptop manual to find out ;-)
[03:38] <Lure> omeow: run "xev" from terminal/Konsole and press the button and check the output
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh
[03:39] <omeow> Lure: There seems to be loads of events for a single mouse button.
[03:39] <abattoir_> Lure: the media buttons work w/ an Acer... pause/play, stop, rew,next, vol.up/down and mute.
[03:39] <Lure> omeow: true, just watch for KeyPress (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes)
[03:39] <abattoir_> i mean, the same keycodes :) 
[03:40] <Lure> abattoir_: out of the box?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Lure: do you want the ones listed there that work?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> or just the ones that dont work?
[03:40] <Lure> abattoir_: can you add keycodes to above page (I do not want that we introduce any regression)
[03:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: all
[03:40] <Hobbsee> not yet though
[03:41] <abattoir_> Lure: ugh no, works if i choose an Acer model in Kcontrol->Languages->Layout
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: oh bleh.
[03:41] <Lure> abattoir_: ok, that is right - we are currenty working on solution that would make them work withou selection of keyboard layout
[03:41] <omeow> Lure: I'm not talking about keyboard buttons, I'm talking about mouse buttons. They do not have KeyPress events.
[03:41] <abattoir_> Lure, they are the same as what you have listed, so i should confirm that they are the same for an Acer?
[03:42] <Lure> that way laptop buttons should just work and you could use keyboard layout for optional external multimedia keyboard
[03:42] <Lure> omeow: correct, by mouse buttons on my mouse emit KeyPress events
[03:43] <Lure> abattoir_: yes - I just want to have as complete list as possible (that we do not miss keys like Hibernate or Lock that Hobbsee has) or that we do not have any mismatch
[03:44] <Hobbsee> oh dear, my mouse fubar'd
[03:44] <Hobbsee> oh darn
[03:45] <Lure> Hobbsee: wiki.u.c?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Lure: cant, very little mouse
[03:45] <Hobbsee> k-devel can take 4 lines :P
[03:45] <Hobbsee> || Windows Key || || 115 ||
[03:45] <Hobbsee> || Switch screen - laptop screen, external screen, or both || || 
[03:45] <Hobbsee> || Lock screen || || 146 ||
[03:45] <Hobbsee> || Power Modes || || 241 ||
[03:45] <omeow> Lure: Here's what my mouse button seems to emit; http://omeow.ath.cx/MX510-events.log
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[03:47] <Lure> omeow: yes, that is different - probably need to have X driver to support it...
[03:48] <Hobbsee> bleh, who needs a mouse anyway :P
[03:48] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, so it seems that your "Power Modes" is same as my "Battery" button...
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, yep.  that'd make sense
[03:49] <Lure> Hobbsee: the idea is that this key should open klaptop/kpowersave or whatever will be power management UI in edgy...
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Lure: very nice :)
[03:50] <Lure> Hobbsee: those are most probably HW keys (on my laptop this is switch screen and three buttons for brightness control)
[03:51] <Lure> Hobbsee: they are controled in HW (BIOS...) and OS like Linux cannot use them
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah okay...
[03:51] <Hobbsee> nice, kionjb is just a straight sync from debian testing.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> mouse works now
[03:59] <Lure> Hobbsee: can you check eject again - 36 is return on my keyboard
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: 36 is return here too
[04:01] <Lure> so what is Eject button?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: got no idea, it's not coming up
[04:02] <Lure> Hobbsee: maybe HW key too... Does it eject CD/DVD?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Lure: yep
[04:04] <Lure> ok, will remove it from table
[04:20] <Hobbsee> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/lila-theme/trunk/lila/kde/ChangeLog?rev=230&view=markup
[04:20] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:21] <Hobbsee> um, if i've got 4 sets of icons, all different colours of the same design, should i package them separately, or in one big package?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> omeow: you still around?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ewww...these are patches for libs.
[04:34] <omeow> Yes, I am.
[04:34] <omeow> I know, it's a biggie. :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal_: ping?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[05:09] <Hobbsee> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/kdocker-1.3/./configure': No such file or directory.  darn.
[05:09] <jjesse> hya Hobbsee
[05:13] <Lure> hi jjesse
[05:13] <Lure> can you help with laptop buttons?
[05:14] <Lure> jjesse: I am looking for laptop owners that can fill this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Lure: imbrandon has a laptop - a mac
[05:15] <Lure> Hobbsee: good to know, but he is not here currently
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: true
[05:16] <jjesse> Lure: ok
[05:16] <Lure> jjesse: great
[05:31] <Hobbsee> toma: what "fun"?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> i wonder what you do when there's no configure file.
[05:32] <toma> Hobbsee: normaly .ui files get expanded to .h and .cpp files
[05:32] <omeow> type ./configure
[05:32] <Hobbsee> omeow: you can only execute a file that exists, that's the problem.
[05:32] <omeow> autoconf? or something? 
[05:32] <Hobbsee> there's a makefile, but no configure.  and my cdbs foo isnt very good - but my debhelper foo is even worse
[05:33] <toma> Hobbsee: but in debian build it is created in obj-i486-bla folder
[05:33] <Hobbsee> not sure - i added that as a b-d...no, i added automake...
[05:33] <toma> Hobbsee: i wonder how to include that from a source file now
[05:34] <Hobbsee> toma: no idea, sorry
[05:34] <toma> Hobbsee: np
[05:36] <omeow> Hobbsee: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89238 
[05:36] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 89238 in Konqueror Plugin "Konqueror archive-plugin should provide more verbose output" [Wishlist,New]  
[05:38] <Hobbsee> omeow: why's that being sent to me?
[05:38] <omeow> I was just showing what I was mocking up. =P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ah :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> woohoo!  and it still dies!
[05:38] <Hobbsee> omeow: ah yes, that sort of thing would be good
[05:39] <omeow> Yeah it's quite buggy. =/
[05:39] <omeow> I voted for most of the stuff I thought where definitely in need of some change.
[05:39] <omeow> Especially a fix for drag and dropping.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> true
[05:40] <Hobbsee> omeow: goign to code it?  :P
[05:40] <omeow> I am not a programmer. Currently I can only use software and give feedback to developers with the hopes of changing their minds to change things.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> true
[05:41] <Hobbsee> toma is, though
[05:41] <Hobbsee> afaik he's never touched ark though.
[05:41] <toma> nope
[05:41] <Hobbsee> omeow: what'd you do that mockup in, out of curiousity?
[05:41] <omeow> QT Designer.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[05:42] <omeow> Currently playing around with one for mouse button configuration.
[05:42] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/mouseconfig2.png
[05:43] <omeow> o/
[05:44] <toma> Hobbsee: nite
[05:47] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:48] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:56] <Lure_> it seems that my gmail account does not allow to send mails as @kubuntu.org... :-(
[06:00] <toma> Lure_: most smtp-servers would allow that when you authenticate or come from an ip-number from that provider
[06:00] <Hobbsee> whee!  this is fun!  trying to make an app crash :P
[06:00] <toma> hey, tou are asleep
[06:00] <toma> you
[06:01] <Hobbsee> toma: i was going to, but then i made konvi crash, so reported the bug for it, and am searching for more.
[06:02] <Lure_> toma: just gmail does not - will another provider of mine...
[06:16] <Hobbsee_> hehehehehehe....gotta love teasing people.
[06:19] <toma> kangaroo?
[08:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[08:58] <uniq> hi.
[08:59] <bddebian> Hello uniq
[08:59] <uniq> hello :)
[10:03] <jjesse> what was that page for laptop keys?
[10:17] <uniq> wiki page? 
[10:17] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopButtons ? 
[10:17] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes
[10:17] <uniq> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch
[10:39] <jjesse> the third one thanks
[11:38] <toma> i'm looking at #kubuntu, i'm really surprisez at the non-stopping amount of questions.
[11:44] <omeow> Surely it means that you're doing a bad job at things. ;)
[11:45] <toma> haha