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| Plug | Hmm. | 03:12 |
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| Plug | Trying to follow the packaging guide on using pbuilder. | 03:12 |
| Plug | It's a bit lacking. Seems like it was tacked on without much forethought, as it's not really used throughout the document | 03:13 |
| Plug | also, suggesting source, dh_make and cdbs - can we pick one and use it throughout? | 03:13 |
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| rob | its important to know all methods imo | 03:25 |
| rob | but yes, the guide needs lots of love | 03:25 |
| Plug | perhaps as appendices | 03:25 |
| Plug | I'm having a go at some packaging using it now | 03:25 |
| Plug | I'll be happy to do a spot of editing at the end | 03:26 |
| rob | be aware if your setting up a chroot that there is a problem with the locales section | 03:26 |
| rob | you need to also install language-pack-(some country code) to set them up correctly | 03:27 |
| nixternal | if you want the best input on the packaging guide, crimsun will be the one on that...he knows every inch of packaging | 03:28 |
| rob | yeah | 03:28 |
| nixternal | pbuilder and dh_make do the same thing, but dh_make is for packages that haven't been debianized...and pbuilder is | 03:28 |
| rob | I'd really like to see all the motu guys give it a once over and make suggestions, if they can find the time | 03:29 |
| nixternal | i followed the packaging guide and had no problem what so ever...it gives you everything you need to know in order to understand packaging and get going | 03:29 |
| Plug | I'm going to have debianize the package myself, make sure I get the deps right | 03:29 |
| Plug | _then_ build under pbuilder | 03:29 |
| Plug | so I have to install the -dev packages twice | 03:29 |
| Plug | so what I really want is a chroot, I guess | 03:29 |
| rob | yes, but I found myself having to seek addtional information after reading the packaging guide for a few things | 03:30 |
| rob | its all on the wiki if you look though | 03:30 |
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| nixternal | that is what #ubuntu-motu is for..plus half the time crimsun ansered my questions in a matter of seconds | 03:30 |
| nixternal | hiya Madpilot | 03:30 |
| Madpilot | hi nixternal | 03:30 |
| nixternal | i am having one heck of a time trying to get a ubuntu-list setup for the Chicago LoCo team...nobody replies to me ;( | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: dh_make and pbuilder don't do the same thing at all ;-) | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | Plug: and if you want to suggest things for the Packaging Guide email the ubuntu-doc list and I'll look into it | 03:37 |
| nixternal | well..i did say that wrong...you run dh_make prior to pbuilder | 03:38 |
| Plug | LaserJock: I'll be in touch, thanks | 03:38 |
| nixternal | dh_make is a debianizer script, and pbuilder is the package builder | 03:38 |
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| mdke | nixternal_: you mailed mailman@lists? | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | nixternal_: the person you need to speak with is jdub | 10:51 |
| mdke | mpt: here? | 10:56 |
| mpt | mdke, vaguely | 11:09 |
| mdke | mpt: just looking over your patch, is good stuff. | 11:09 |
| mpt | I'll be paying more attention in 20min or so | 11:09 |
| mpt | cool | 11:09 |
| mdke | there are a few minor things I've noticed, and one or two things I think should be discussed as a team | 11:10 |
| mdke | the language changes are all nice | 11:10 |
| mpt | ok, back | 11:21 |
| mpt | I probably made dozens of mistakes, I wasn't entirely conscious at the time :-) | 11:23 |
| crimsun | impressive for only partly conscious. | 11:24 |
| mdke | mpt: has the menu entry for alacarte changed in edgy? | 11:24 |
| mpt | No, I'm using Dapper, and I've never seen it called "A La Carte" | 11:25 |
| mdke | mpt: look in the menu | 11:25 |
| mpt | I did, before changing it | 11:25 |
| mdke | what's the menu entry? | 11:26 |
| mdke | on my system it is "Alacarte Menu Editor" | 11:26 |
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| mpt_ | grrr | 11:27 |
| mpt_ | mdke: <mpt> "Applications Menu Editor" | 11:27 |
| mdke | how odd | 11:27 |
| mpt_ | want a screenshot? :-) | 11:27 |
| mdke | why is it different on my system? | 11:27 |
| mdke | no, i believe you | 11:27 |
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| mdke | well, if that is the default menu entry, it's certainly an improvement | 11:30 |
| mdke | but it's not like that on my system, for some reason | 11:30 |
| mpt__ | Mine's an upgrade from 5.10, not a fresh install, if that makes any difference | 11:30 |
| mdke | me too, iirc | 11:30 |
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| mdke | mpt_: the only serious thing was removing much of the preface - I agree that is a good idea if this is supposed to be on-screen help, although if it remains a book we'll want to put it back, I think | 11:31 |
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| mpt__ | mdke, yes, maybe there should be a divergence | 11:32 |
| mpt | whee | 11:33 |
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| mpt | Possibly the on-screen help would be a clean subset (on the paragraph level) of the books, but possibly not | 11:34 |
| mpt | hmmmmm | 11:35 |
| mpt | Where should documents about the development of the help go? wiki.ubuntu.com, or help.ubuntu.com? :-) | 11:35 |
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| mdke | mpt: like a spec? On wiki.ubuntu.com | 11:41 |
| mdke | preferably under DocumentationTeam/ | 11:42 |
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| mdke | mpt__: is "Disks Manager" another menu entry that I don't have? | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | mdke: system--admin--disks | 11:50 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: that's what I have too | 11:51 |
| mdke | mpt__: why "Disks Manager"? | 11:51 |
| mdke | ah, I see, that's what it's called once you open it, fine | 11:52 |
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| melodie | bonjour | 12:04 |
| mpt_ | kia ora | 12:09 |
| mdke | mpt_: ok, I've replied on the list, have to go now | 12:11 |
| mpt_ | thanks mdke | 12:11 |
| mdke | thank _you_ | 12:12 |
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| melodie | hello mdke, | 12:14 |
| melodie | mdke what about doing a '/back' to appear present ? :D | 12:15 |
| melodie | mdke, it seems you have to go, I was coming to question you : when are you back ? | 12:16 |
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| mpt_ | mdke, maybe you installed A La Carte yourself before ubuntu-desktop did? | 02:07 |
| mpt_ | that way the original menu entry wouldn't have been overwritten | 02:07 |
| dsas | mpt_: I thought it got changed from "applications menu editor" when it got the ability to edit the "system" menu too. I could be completely wrong though. | 02:10 |
| mpt_ | I have an unmodified test account, where instead of being Applications > Accessories > Applications Menu Editor, it's Applications > System Tools > Applications Menu Editor | 02:12 |
| mpt_ | hmmm, that's probably an old account | 02:12 |
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| mpt_ | holy crap | 02:16 |
| mpt_ | I get an ugly theme, dozens of error alerts, and "Computer" and "Trash" icons on my desktop | 02:16 |
| mpt_ | and no panels | 02:17 |
| mpt_ | grrrrrrreat | 02:17 |
| mpt_ | How do I log out without any panels? :-/ | 02:18 |
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| dsas | drop to a tty and kill the other session | 02:19 |
| dsas | or that. | 02:19 |
| mpt_ | there is no tty | 02:19 |
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| mpt_ | er, profs | 02:20 |
| mpt_ | whoo | 02:29 |
| mpt_ | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=68663&action=view | 02:29 |
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| mpt_ | mdke, updated patch sent | 02:32 |
| === mpt_ wonders how anyone can stand to use Evolution :-( | ||
| mdke | mpt_: ok, thanks | 02:37 |
| mdke | I moved to thunderbird myself | 02:37 |
| mpt_ | Thunderbird's ok, except for composing messages | 02:40 |
| mpt_ | Evolution's ok for composing messages, except for handling quoted text, but it's annoying for everything else | 02:40 |
| mdke | I quite like evolution's quote handling | 02:41 |
| mdke | I like when you cut a line in half in a quote and it keeps the right symbol, unlike TB | 02:41 |
| mpt_ | yes, but >s still disappear when I get too close to them | 02:41 |
| mpt_ | and there's no keyboard combo for quoting/dequoting | 02:41 |
| mpt_ | hmm, maybe nobody's ever reported that ... | 02:42 |
| mdke | the thing that made me move away from evolution is that almost none of the actions I constantly use for threaded messages work properly | 02:43 |
| mdke | collapse all threads, keyboard combos for expanding single thread, etc etc | 02:43 |
| mpt_ | Not understanding the concept of a Trash folder is a deal-breaker for me, too | 02:44 |
| mdke | heh, ctrl S not saving in draft annots me too | 02:44 |
| mdke | annoys* | 02:44 |
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| mpt_ | oh yeah | 02:46 |
| mpt_ | I know, let's whine about mail clients :-) | 02:48 |
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| jsgotangco | hey | 02:50 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 02:50 |
| mdke | mpt_: I've applied your patch now, and replied on the list. I'm off for lunch | 02:51 |
| mdke | thanks for that | 02:51 |
| mpt_ | thanks mdke | 02:54 |
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| jrib | Does anyone know what happened to hardware support lists? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SupportedHardware links to a page that no longer exists and I can't seem to find the lists on my own | 04:57 |
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| mdke_ | jrib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport | 05:03 |
| jjesse | monring :) | 05:03 |
| mdke_ | hi jjesse | 05:03 |
| jrib | mdke_: hmm, thanks. How come the title search doesn't turn that up? Does it only search things under huc/community? | 05:05 |
| mdke_ | jrib: yes | 05:06 |
| jrib | mdke_: and of course my second question is what is the right way to fix the link on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SupportedHardware? :) | 05:06 |
| mdke_ | jrib: refresh the page, and see what I did. | 05:07 |
| jrib | mdke_: k, while reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation it has that same hardware link that's broken. Is it possible to setup a redirect or does that just create clutter and I should just correct this page too like you did the one before? | 05:15 |
| mdke_ | jrib: I think we should fix the link to point to the other wiki. But it might be worth doing a redirect if there are lots of those broken links, let's see | 05:17 |
| mdke_ | no, there aren't many such links | 05:18 |
| jrib | mdke_: ok, I'll take care of this one | 05:18 |
| mdke_ | thanks | 05:18 |
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| linuxmonkey | should we add the commercial repo's in the repo's howto? | 08:36 |
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| Burgundavia | linuxmonkey: probably | 09:24 |
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