[12:07] <crimsun> I would use, directly, the debian/rules KSRC=... example.
[12:08] <crimsun> granted, I do presume you've selected the drivers using ``dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source''
[12:08] <andrewski> ugh... no, i haven't. O_o  that wasn't in the instructions.
[12:08] <andrewski> unless i missed something glaring?
[12:09] <crimsun> it's step #3 in the make-kpkg scenario
[12:10] <andrewski> ah, ok.  i stopped reading those when you said not to use them. :-P
[12:11] <andrewski> so i need to do that first before proceeding with the other set?
[12:11] <crimsun> I would do execute dpkg-reconfigure immediately after installing lirc-modules-source
[12:11] <andrewski> k
[12:14] <andrewski> when i install linux-source, i have to manually unzip the source bz2?
[12:17] <imbrandon> ok crimsun , attached build log to bug 52343 , anything else you see i should do ?
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52343 in kbfx "[ backport ]  kbfx 0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1 from edgy to dapper-backports" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52343
[12:25] <andrewski> crimsun: i'm still having a spot of trouble compiling these drivers.  i couldn't dpkg-reconfigure to recognize my /usr/src/linux directory until i symlinked linux-2.6.15 and followed the make-kpkg instructions, but then it complained about not having loadable module support enabled in the kernel. :(  i'm rather lost.
[12:26] <crimsun> andrewski: do you have linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed?
[12:27] <andrewski> um... no.  damn, i feel like such a fool!
[12:28] <andrewski> crimsun: ok, so when i do "make config dep", do i just follow the defaults?  i haven't been up on kernel config'ing in years.
[12:29] <crimsun> andrewski: you shouldn't have to ``make config dep'' at all
[12:29] <andrewski> so i can skip straight to step 3?
[12:31] <crimsun> 3 being the dpkg-reconfigure?
[12:31] <crimsun> you don't need the make-kpkg scenario, remember?
[12:32] <andrewski> right, but there's only one other scenario in the README.
[12:32] <crimsun> which is the good one
[12:33] <andrewski> i don't feel like i have a hard time following directions, but these ones seem really screwy and scattered.  i'm following those, but dpkg-reconfigure has a different story to tell, and you're mentioning things that aren't in either. :-/
[12:33] <andrewski> so i'm in dpkg-reconfigure and am asking it to try and build the drivers, but it's coming up with an error.
[12:34] <andrewski> same "loadable module support" problem as before.
[12:35] <crimsun> even with ``debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build''?
[12:36] <andrewski> i'm not even through the dpkg-reconfigure yet... which is the first thing i should do, right?
[12:36] <andrewski> because that's where i'm getting the error.
[12:37] <crimsun> if you've chosen the drivers already and are offered the choice to have them compiled for you, choose no
[12:37] <andrewski> ok
[12:38] <andrewski> so now i'm done with d-r l-m-s and i can run the debian/rules command?
[12:38] <crimsun> the one above, yes
[12:38] <andrewski> "bash: debian/rules: No such file or directory"
[12:39] <andrewski> n/m
[12:39] <crimsun> you're in /usr/src/modules/lirc*, correct?
[12:39] <andrewski> now i am ;)
[12:40] <andrewski> ok, i have the package built and installed.  phew!  that's it?  i can continue with the lirc instructions?
[12:43] <crimsun> well, you just install the generated deb
[12:43] <crimsun> after that you're pretty much finished.
[12:44] <andrewski> right, done.  but why does "modprobe -l | grep lirc" give me nothing?
[12:44] <crimsun> I presume you have to load them?
[12:45] <crimsun> after installing the generated deb
[12:45] <andrewski> right... but the ones i need aren't installed with the package, i.e. lirc_mceusb2
[12:45] <andrewski> *one
[12:46] <andrewski> was that not installed from the package from MoM?
[12:46] <crimsun> was it listed in dpkg-reconfigure?
[12:46] <andrewski> no
[12:46] <andrewski> i selected all of them just to be sure
[12:47] <crimsun> pastebin ``dpkg -L lirc-module\*''
[12:47] <crimsun> argh
[12:47] <crimsun> substitute the correct package name
[12:50] <andrewski> http://pastebin.ca/82790
[12:51] <crimsun> the generated deb
[12:51] <andrewski> that was the second set.
[12:51] <crimsun> (I'm too used to alsa-source -> alsa-module\* )
[12:52] <Toadstool> grah! I'm trying to merge ghemical but it's heavily broken since upstream made huge modifications in libghemical and hasn't released a new ghemical version yet...
[12:52] <crimsun> hmm.
[12:55] <crimsun> how many ../../*irc-modules-*.deb were generated?
[12:55] <andrewski> one
[12:55] <andrewski> lirc-modules-2.6.15-25-686_0.8.0-0ubuntu1+Custom.1.00_i386.deb
[12:58] <crimsun> hm. looks like SUBDIRS is not being propagated properly
[12:58] <andrewski> i'm not sure what that means.
[12:58] <crimsun> can you debian/rules clean and regenerate the modules, being sure to have a build log?
[12:58] <andrewski> how do i do that? :-/
[12:59] <andrewski> i.e. regenerating with a build log
[01:00] <crimsun> you can use typescript
[01:00] <crimsun> script(1) on Debian systems
[01:01] <andrewski> so "script -c dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source"?
[01:04] <crimsun> quote the command, but yes
[01:04] <crimsun> offline, work
[01:11] <Toadstool> anyone who wants to upload a merge for me? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2650)
[01:15] <andrewski> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/82808
[01:50] <andrewski> crimsun: is it maybe a problem because it's built with "--with-driver=userspace"?
[02:08] <bddebian> Oh so now LaserJock is taking my merges too, sweet
[02:08] <bddebian> :-)
[02:15] <LaserJock> bddebian: whatever
[02:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Care to take the rest? :-)
[02:18] <LaserJock> no, go ahead, we just need to make sure we aren't stepping on each other's toes :-)
[02:28] <LaserJock> any MOTUs want a break from merging? I've got a very quick review I'd like done
[02:29] <LaserJock> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2649
[02:32] <hub> is CC-BY-SA dfsg compliant?
[02:32] <hub> just making sure
[02:32] <hub> btw doc in GPL makes no sense
[02:32] <hub> GFDL, sure
[02:34] <LaserJock> hub: well, actually most Debian docs are GPL and GFDL only recently became DFSG free
[02:35] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure about CC-BY-SA but the doc team uses it
[02:35] <hub> I think it is ok
[02:35] <hub> just wanted to make sure
[02:35] <hub> again GPL for documentation does not really make sense
[02:35] <hub> it is not code
[02:35] <LaserJock> right
[02:35] <hub> just saying
[02:35] <LaserJock> but it is often used
[02:35] <LaserJock> so ..
[02:36] <LaserJock> the Packaging Guide is GPL so that we can use Debian documentation
[02:36] <LaserJock> I find it weird for sure when reading the GPL, it has lots of "software" and "program" references
[02:38] <hub> that is my point
[02:38] <hub> but you didn't make the doc or license
[02:38] <hub> so it does not really matter
[02:39] <LaserJock> well, for the Packaging Guide I did
[02:39] <LaserJock> but I would of done GFDL if it wasn't for Debian
[03:00] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:01] <DarkMageZ> is there a target for there to be no .la files in ubuntu? i've just had 2 really bad days because of inconsistency...
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[03:04] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:07] <Hawkwind> Hey there imbrandon bddebian and Hobbsee
[03:07] <imbrandon> heya Hawkwind
[03:07] <imbrandon> heya bddebian brb afk
[03:08] <sharms> this must be a love day
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind
[03:11] <Hobbsee> just not for you :P
[03:12] <bddebian> Hi Hawkwind, imbrandon
[03:12] <sharms> hi Hawkwind , imbrandon, Hobbsee  :)
[03:12] <imbrandon> heh
[03:12] <Hawkwind> Hah
[03:12] <Hawkwind> Hey there sharms
[03:12] <bddebian> LaserJock: BTW, just about any package on the merge pages with my name on them I almost have done except for maxima and a couple others that have some other build deps that are broken/missing
[03:14] <Hobbsee> bddebian: so we shouldnt steal them?  right.
[03:20] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You can if you want, just trying to avoid duplicate work :-)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yeah, that makes snese :P
[03:34] <Plug> Hi all
[03:35] <Plug> I'm having a go at building the PPTP plugins for NetworkManager
[03:35] <Plug> it's trying to link against libXrender.la, which I read was dropped by Debian some time ago
[03:36] <LaserJock> bddebian: I see, so you're actually trying to merge the ones you did last time, smart :-)
[03:36] <bddebian> Plug: Known problem
[03:36] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well that's what I was told to do :-)
[03:37] <slomo> Plug: do you use the non-official xgl repository? the libcairo2-dev in there is broken... just remove -L/usr/lib/libXcursor.la from /usr/lib/libcairo.la and add -lXcursor there
[03:37] <Plug> With the package, or the build method?  Is there something I can change in my configure.ac etc to fix it?
[03:37] <Plug> slomo: sounds promising
[03:39] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[03:39] <Plug> slomo: goodnight, thanks, that fixed me up!
[04:21] <crimsun> andrewski: no idea, haven't investigated
[04:26] <crimsun> Toadstool: uploaded.
[04:32] <bddebian> Is there ever a good reason that a .init script reload/restart would do a --start twice?
[04:33] <crimsun> semantically, no.
[04:33] <bddebian> I didn't think so but the syntax looks all jacked up
[04:34] <crimsun> bddebian: do you have an /etc/udev/scripts/ in Dapper?
[04:35] <crimsun> (completely unrelated question)
[04:35] <bddebian> Nope, no scripts dir
[04:35] <crimsun> thanks.
[04:35] <bddebian> NP
[04:36] <bddebian> http://pastebin.us/1204  <-- in Dapper I changed the first --start to --stop.  Does that seem correct?
[04:37] <Plug> it does to me
[04:39] <crimsun> bddebian: yes.
[04:39] <crimsun> that's an odd bug to have in a maintainer script. Someone should be shot.
[04:44] <bddebian> crimsun: Well they haven't fixed in the last few releases either.  I'll send it up
[04:45] <bddebian> OK one other question
[04:48] <bddebian> Are these two functionally equivalent?
[04:48] <bddebian> http://pastebin.us/1205
[04:50] <crimsun> yes.
[04:50] <bddebian> Thanks crimsun
[04:51] <crimsun> np
[04:52] <dotwaffle> Hey, anyone awake I can bounce an idea off?
[04:53] <crimsun> shoot.
[04:53] <dotwaffle> Cheers. [writes long paragraph] 
[04:54] <dotwaffle> I've got a laptop, and a workstation/server, and I manually keep the home directories syncd through rsync, I was wondering if there was anything in the pipeline to make this into a feature that average joe can use, or whether it was worth me developing a GUI that did it for people, so that they could keep computers syncd. NOT nfs, as that requires a persistant connection, I'm talking about syncing for the purpose of poratble computers.
[04:55] <crimsun> coda, which last I checked, was removed from mainline.
[04:55] <tseng> or ifolder, or unison, or ...
[04:55] <dotwaffle> Coda is relatively advanced, for power users, I was thinking of a system that someone could use as a novice user, new to Linux, to keep their laptop and home computer syncd.
[04:55] <tseng> if a gui would scratch your own itch don't let us stop you
[04:56] <crimsun> iFolder sounds/looks promising.
[04:56] <dotwaffle> tseng: I've got my own solution, but I've had to write it myself, I was just wondering if it was a feature that could be integrated that did all the hard work for the suer.
[04:56] <tseng> I use rdiff-backup
[04:56] <tseng> you can all use whatever you want
[04:57] <tseng> there are many tools in this space
[04:57] <dotwaffle> iFolder does sound good, but it doesn't migrate settings etc, you'd have to set the iFolder as your home dir.
[04:57] <dotwaffle> I use rsync-backup, yeah.
[04:57] <tseng> I said rdiff
[04:57] <dotwaffle> rdiff-backup? Not heard of it, will have to look into it...
[04:58] <tseng> if you want to write a gui, go ahead
[04:58] <tseng> if you dont need one, don't do it
[04:58] <tseng> thats what it is all about
[04:58] <dotwaffle> _I_ don't need one, I just thought it might plug a hole, and whether the MOTU were planning anything like that for Edgy etc...
[04:58] <dotwaffle> Just asking :)
[04:58] <tseng> "the MOTU" doesnt develop new software
[04:59] <dotwaffle> Anyway, think I'm barking up the wrong tree, never mind, sorry for disturbing you :)
[04:59] <bddebian> tseng: We don't? :-)
[04:59] <tseng> I think you are..
[04:59] <tseng> if you don't have a use for a program, we cant justify your writing it to you
[04:59] <tseng> :)
[04:59] <dotwaffle> from ubuntu-devel: #ubuntu-motu for getting into development...
[04:59] <tseng> bddebian: not in the scope of the group.
[05:00] <dotwaffle> tseng: Fair enough - suppose I ought to just get on with it, if it's any good, maybe one of the distro maintainers will pick it up...
[05:00] <tseng> dotwaffle: "getting into packaging" is lost on alot of people
[05:00] <bddebian> heh
[05:00] <tseng> dotwaffle: so "development" stands.. it isnt really about new code here
[05:01] <dotwaffle> Think the statement needs to be clarified then ;) Sorry again, go back to sleep ;)
[05:01] <tseng> the topic is unfortunately too large already
[05:01] <bddebian> zzzzZZZZ
[05:02] <dotwaffle> =) Ok. Night guys.
[05:02] <bddebian> Gnight dot
[05:02] <tseng> have a nice night
[05:02] <bddebian> err
[05:02] <tseng> er.
[05:02] <tseng> ok then
[05:02] <tseng> back to beating on bddebian
[05:02] <bddebian> :'-(
[05:02] <tseng> you like it
[05:03] <bddebian> Whip me harder
[05:06] <tseng> yay futurama
[05:07] <bddebian> The Big Give-Back?
[05:10] <crimsun> "rebuilding world". Probably won't happen until X.Org is completed, but that's just a hunch.
[05:14] <bddebian> Ah
[05:14] <tseng> i thought we would just rebuild FTBFS
[05:14] <tseng> and see what sticks
[05:15] <tseng> i usually dont seem to know what is going on, though
[05:23] <bddebian> tseng: Me either, obviously :-)
[05:50] <crimsun> sorry? pfft. I feel for the buildds.
[05:50] <bddebian> Hehe
[05:50] <bddebian> True enough
[05:51] <bddebian> But I am submitting lots of sync requests too :-)
[07:07] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[08:21] <imbrandon> crimsun, just seeing who's alive ? heh
[08:21] <crimsun> no, I'm becoming rather fed up with the user community.
[08:21] <imbrandon> ahh
[08:21] <imbrandon> any reason in particular ?
[08:22] <crimsun> lots, but that's off-topic.
[08:22] <imbrandon> true true, maybe some other time when you feel like spoutin off ;)
[08:35] <tritium> hey crimsun, you left in such a hurry.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hi all
[08:36] <tritium> hi Hobbsee
[08:37] <crimsun> tritium: hi.
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hi tritium, crimsun
[08:39] <Hobbsee> thanks, StevenK!
[08:39] <StevenK> My pleasure.
[08:41] <imbrandon> moins Hobbsee
[08:41] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[08:41] <StevenK> Ow!
[08:42] <StevenK> I'd ask 'What did I ever do to you?', but I know the answer.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:47] <cypher1> how do i mention cdrom in pbuilder sources
[08:47] <cypher1> is not using apt-cdrom add sufficient ?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> cypher1: a) why do you want to?  b) it should have copied when you copied your sources.list over
[08:50] <cypher1> Hobbsee, i am still struggling with the pbuilder create for around 7th time... so thought instead of from web can i copy it from the breezy install cd :)
[08:51] <Hobbsee> cypher1: ah, right.
[08:51] <cypher1> i do see the cdrom in sources.list but the download always goes to the mirror
[09:00] <Toadstool> 'morning
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[09:01] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee
[09:01] <crimsun> Toadstool: I uploaded spread some hours ago.
[09:03] <Toadstool> crimsun: thanks
[09:03] <crimsun> np
[09:10] <AnAnt> I got a problem with debian/rules, may someone help me  ?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17487
[09:10] <AnAnt> I can't understand why pbuilder attempts to make debian/build-nokde for a second time, although it did 'touch debian/build-nokde' the first time ?
[09:44] <AnAnt> nevermind ! it worked ! :)
[10:17] <zakame> hi all
[10:18] <Toadstool> hey zakame
[10:20] <zakame> hi Toadstool
[10:28] <Lathiat> ss
[10:29] <zakame> heya Lathiat
[10:29] <crimsun> oh boy, time to enable $CRACK_OPTIONS
[10:31] <imbrandon> crimsun, ?
[10:31] <crimsun> beating these wishlist bugs to a senseless pulp.
[10:31] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[10:36] <Toadstool> er, I'm merging usbmount. Dapper has 0.0.14ubuntu1 and sid 0.0.14-0.1 but dpkg --compare-versions says 0.0.14ubuntu1 > 0.0.14-0.1...
[10:37] <zakame> whoa, native to non-native packaging format?
[10:37] <Toadstool> yeah
[10:38] <crimsun> Toadstool: you're stuck, just as I am.
[10:38] <Toadstool> nice
[10:38] <crimsun> hand-merge the -0.1 changes into 0.0.14ubuntu2.
[10:38] <crimsun> (see apt-proxy for a livid example)
[10:39] <Toadstool> ok, I'll do that
[10:39] <zakame> ro you just merge as usual and do a dch -e and s/search/destroy/
[10:40] <zakame> heh, blame jvw
[10:40] <Toadstool> yeah :)
[10:40] <crimsun> woo, ftbfs with $CRACK_OPTIONS
[10:40] <crimsun> rejecting the heck outta that bug.
[10:40] <zakame> that should've been 0.0.14.1
[10:45] <zakame> hmm CAM::PDF looks great
[10:54] <Toadstool> crimsun: heh "thanks, poor versioning!" in debian/changelog for apt-proxy :)
[10:55] <crimsun> :)
[11:12] <Toadstool> et voil, usbmount ready for upload at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2654
[11:13] <zakame> great
[11:36] <G0SUB> slomo: ping
[11:36] <slomo> hi G0SUB
[11:36] <G0SUB> slomo: hello!
[11:36] <G0SUB> slomo: it seems quinn has fixed his package, re. the Xrender issue
[11:36] <zakame> hi G0SUB
[11:36] <G0SUB> slomo: now it uses only -lXrender in the cairo package
[11:37] <G0SUB> zakame: hello :)
[11:37] <sivang> hey G0SUB
[11:37] <slomo> G0SUB: cool :)
[11:37] <sivang> zakame, et al
[11:38] <zakame> heya sivang
[11:38] <G0SUB> sivang: hello sire :)
[12:21] <Seveas> irvin, pong
[12:25] <tseng> crimsun: hey, do your urxvt fonts look like crap now also?
[12:26] <crimsun> tseng: no, but I'm using -lite, which lacks Xft support
[12:26] <tseng> oh.
[12:27] <crimsun> tseng: probably due to libfreetype "transition"
[12:27] <tseng> right
[12:27] <crimsun> and should be magically fixed when the world is rebuilt
[12:27] <slomo> tseng: if the gnome font settings thing also sets general xft settings try other font rendering modes
[12:27] <slomo> tseng: at least that fixed this in gnome-terminal for me
[12:27] <tseng> gnome stuff looks ok
[12:28] <slomo> i only had weird fonts in gnome-terminal and firefox and setting the font rendering mode to "best contrast" fixed it for me
[12:29] <tseng> i am using ephy now
[12:29] <tseng> looks fine
[12:30] <slomo> ok *shrug* :)
[12:32] <tseng> someone should upload my change to debian
[12:33] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: sorry, gtk2 in wxwindows2.4 is a no-go due to libfreetype and gcc4.1
[12:37] <Amaranth> i thought we had 2.6?
[12:39] <crimsun> Amaranth: that's wxwidgets2.6.
[12:39] <Amaranth> they aren't compatible?
[12:40] <crimsun> John filed a wishlist bug asking for gtk2+unicode support to be enabled in wxwindows2.4
[12:40] <Amaranth> i see tons of things that depend on 2.4 so i guess not
[12:40] <crimsun> it's an utter ftbfs
[12:40] <Amaranth> heh
[12:40] <Amaranth> i thought gtk2 support in 2.4 sucked anyway
[12:40] <crimsun> it does. quite horribly.
[12:59] <sivang> morning folks
[01:00] <jsgotangco> hello sivang
[01:02] <sivang> hey jsgotangco , what's up?
[01:02] <jsgotangco> just arrived home after eating some greasy food outside =)
[01:03] <jsgotangco> best thing to do on a sunday heh
[01:04] <sivang> jsgotangco: right
[01:04] <sivang> :)
[01:09] <cypher1> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[01:09] <cypher1>   Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages - open (2 No such file or directory)
[01:09] <cypher1> can anyone please tell me what am i supposed to do for this ?
[01:23] <uniq> was this a apt-get update?
[01:24] <uniq> well.. have to go. bye.
[01:24] <tseng> it sounds more like he added a new source
[01:24] <tseng> then tried to use apt w/o doing apt-get update
[01:24] <tseng> but what do i know
[01:24] <uniq> that's what i was thinking of too.
[01:25] <uniq> but sometimes apt can give weird errors if you add two similar source lines to sources.list.
[01:25] <uniq> anyway.. have to go. bye.
[01:37] <cypher1> tseng, i did apt-get update
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:37] <G0SUB> How do I request a backport?
[02:37] <G0SUB> is it ok to file a bug report against dapper-backport?
[02:52] <siretart> G0SUB: yes
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hi siretart
[03:00] <siretart> huhu Hobbsee
[03:14] <kelmo> hi siretart
[03:15] <siretart> heyho kelmo
[03:18] <kelmo> siretart: are you subscribed to the wpasupplicant PTS, and if so, have you recieved any commit notifications?
[03:18] <siretart> I don't remember seeing any commit notifications
[03:18] <siretart> I think the svn up hasn't been setup
[03:18] <kelmo> siretart: well, i set it up
[03:19] <kelmo> siretart: but can only get it to send directly to me, not the way its supposed to be . . .
[03:19] <kelmo> siretart: (and a minor cock up where a notification was sent to the wrong list!)
[03:19] <siretart> kelmo: ah, there is an extra pts hook you need to subscribe, if you want every commit notification
[03:20] <kelmo> siretart: aaah, ok will read about that
[03:21] <siretart> on the other hand, I am subscribed there
[03:21] <siretart> hmm
[03:21] <kelmo> siretart: buxy looked over the configuration on my behalf, and said it looked fine
[03:21] <kelmo> siretart: so i am stumped . . .
[03:22] <siretart> uh. hm
[03:22] <siretart> I never did that either..
[03:37] <andyjeffries> My app requires a .la (it uses autoconf/automake) but apparently ubuntu devs are removing .la files from packages.  Can anyone help me change it so it doesn't need them in future?
[03:41] <siretart> andyjeffries: install the -dev package
[03:41] <andyjeffries> I have, it's libXrender.la I'm referring to, but that's not included in the -dev package (see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57443&page=2)
[03:44] <cbx33> hey people, need a little advice?
[03:44] <cbx33> when you're coding
[03:44] <cbx33> and you have all your source in one directory
[03:45] <mukund> don't type rm -f * ?
[03:45] <cbx33> how do you handle the fact that those files won't be in that exact location when the deb is installed
[03:45] <cbx33> ?
[03:49] <cbx33> symlinks?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> how does one go about requesting a sync for somethign that builds fine in debian testing?
[03:58] <sivang> Hobbsee: I'd say file a syn bug, and subscribe ubuntu archive to that
[03:59] <Hobbsee> sivang: ok, cool, thanks.  even from etch, not sid?
[04:00] <Toadstool> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources <-- Syncs ;)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: thanks.  i had no mouse at the time :P
[04:02] <Toadstool> :)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: and do i need to get a MOTU to approve it?
[04:03] <Toadstool> a MOTU will have to confirm it, that's what happened when I asked the wide-dhcpv6 sync
[04:04] <Toadstool> er, ask for, even
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: right, would you like to confirm this for me please?  :P
[04:06] <Hobbsee> you knew i was going to ask that, didnt you, hehe?
[04:07] <Toadstool> yeah :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/52433
[04:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52433 in Ubuntu "Please Sync Kionjb 0.1.6-4 from Debian experimental" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: thankyou :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: you arent a MOTU?
[04:07] <Toadstool> nope
[04:07] <Hobbsee> pretty stupid to get you to ack that, then.
[04:08] <Toadstool> I thought you were kidding when you first asked :p
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: i thought you were a MOTU :P
[04:09] <Toadstool> sync from experimental? nice ^^
[04:10] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, it's a new package in ubuntu?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: yes
[04:10] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: it got requested months ago, and seems to work fine.
[04:15] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, testing the build
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: thanks :)
[04:15] <Gloubiboulga> hello Yagisan
[04:16] <Yagisan> good to see todays dapper updates all 404 o_O
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[04:17] <Toadstool> hey Yagisan
[04:17] <Yagisan> Gloubiboulga, Hobbsee, Toadstool, evening all.
[04:18] <Yagisan> Uni starts today, and it checks to see if you are using Windows.
[04:18] <Toadstool> how do they do? OS fingerprinting with nmap and so on?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> um, if i've got 4 sets of icons, all different colours of the same design, should i package them separately, or in one big package?
[04:19] <Yagisan> Toadstool: not that sophisticated, just a few version strings
[04:20] <Toadstool> oh, easy then ;)
ah nice</sarcasm>. they use java plugins.
[04:25] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, how can I test this package?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: in a pbuilder?  however you usually test edgy packages.
[04:25] <cyberix> Why didn't quake3 make it to Dapper?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> cyberix: because no one updated it?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> is it even GPL'd?
[04:26] <cyberix> The engine is, but I was still waiting for it to be in multiverse.
[04:26] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, it's installed in an edgy chroot, but it's a lib, with what is it supposed to work?
[04:27] <Gloubiboulga> I'm not really familiar with KDE/Qt ;)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: er, good point.  you'd have to test that thru konqueror, i expect, if you had the correct mp3 player in question.
[04:28] <Gloubiboulga> ok, so I can't test :p
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: yes, so it seems.  well, you can test that it's installable, but no further
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> I guess you've tested it
[04:29] <Hobbsee> it got requested a while ago, so i checked if it was buildable and installable, which it is.
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> It builds/installs fine, I guess it should work
[04:29] <Gloubiboulga> ok, I confirm the bug then
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: yeah, exactly. going to subscribe the archive while you're at it please?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> if not, i'll go find where the bug was :P
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> all done
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: thankyou :)
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> np :)
[04:31] <webben> Hello, I'm trying to find someone who would help me package a (potential) fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/50797#
[04:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50797 in sudo "sudo built with --with-secure-path is problematic" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[04:31] <Gloubiboulga> I'm suscribing to the bug too, maybe the archive team needs more infos for a NEW package
[04:31] <webben> Apparently sudo doesn't use dpatch so this a complex case
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: true
[04:32] <webben> i've got a diff of changes
[04:33] <webben> (I'm also looking for someone who might be able to test whether my patch messes up sudo-ldap... i don't have the knowledge or resources to find that out)
[04:34] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: quake3 source GPL, data not.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: ah right
[04:34] <Hobbsee> much.
[04:34] <Gloubiboulga> yeah, Hobbsee only plays with packages :p
[04:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: no, i dont go to school anymore, which is where i tended to play such games, across the school network :P
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[04:36] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: you need to play doomsday - we busted network code, so it's single player at the moment
[04:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:36] <Hobbsee> maybe one day
[04:42] <Yagisan> yet I still try
[04:42] <Yagisan> heh, when it's ready, perhaps you can sponser it Hobbsee
[04:42] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:42] <Hobbsee> yeah right.
[04:44] <webben> Hmm ... no takers for packaging up a diff for sudo?
[05:00] <kelmo> siretart: ok, commit messages are working, thanks for the tip (or else i'd never have known)
[05:02] <toma> what needs to be done for .ui files to expend to .h and .cpp automatically? When I hand build the tarball they are created, but when using debuild they are not created.
[05:29] <zakame> hi
[05:29] <zakame> Hobbsee: got your msg, thanks
[05:29] <Hobbsee> zakame: :)
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  damn.  Ah well, not much uses wxW2.4.
[05:35] <\sh> moin
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[05:36] <toma> ok, the header file is in the obj-i486-bla folder. How do include that in a source file then?
[05:47] <kelmo> siretart: hostapd has been prepared ;-)
[05:49] <siretart> kelmo: cool!
[05:49] <siretart> close.. ;)
[06:16] <webben> Maybe someone could talk me through packaging my sudo fix? I've been told it's complex because it doesn't use dpatch?
[06:43] <AnAnt> is the password on REVU the same as the one in launchpad ?
[06:43] <AnAnt> or not necessarily the same ?
[06:43] <Gloubiboulga> AnAnt, it's not the same
[06:44] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: how do I know my REVU password ?
[06:44] <Gloubiboulga> log in without passwd and use the 'recover' link
[06:45] <AnAnt> Gloubiboulga: ok, thanks
[06:45] <Gloubiboulga> you'll have to decrypt it with your gpg key
[06:46] <AnAnt> ok
[06:46] <AnAnt> done
[06:46] <AnAnt> thanks
[06:47] <Gloubiboulga> np
[06:48] <AnAnt> I request that the following uploads be removed: vim, mldonkey , tor, p7zip
[06:50] <AnAnt> does one advocate for his own upload ?
[06:51] <Gloubiboulga> nop
[06:51] <Gloubiboulga> only MOTUs who review advocate
[06:52] <AnAnt> how can I add a comment in REVU ? it seems I can only add comments to my old uploads not the recent one !
[06:53] <AnAnt> nevermind, it worked
[06:56] <AnAnt> can't I change my password ?
[06:56] <tseng> nope.
[06:57] <AnAnt> ok
[06:57] <AnAnt> thanks for the help
[08:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[08:58] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian
[08:58] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[10:15] <theneb> hi, anyone know how to get commercial software onto the commercial repository?
[10:19] <cyberix> theneb: Maybe you can tell me what it is?
[10:19] <theneb> www.720games.com
[10:19] <theneb> Blocster
[10:19] <theneb> Linux version is nearly ready, runs on SDL libs
[10:19] <cyberix> theneb: I was just wondering how it works.
[10:20] <cyberix> theneb: How can they have a repository, if they are commercial?
[10:20] <theneb> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/08/introducing-the-dapper-commercial-repository/
[10:20] <cyberix> thanks
[10:22] <cyberix> So whats the difference with multiverse?
[10:22] <theneb> I'm not exactly sure, I'm just wondering how to get onto it
[10:23] <cyberix> I used to think software is commercial only, if you pay for it.
[10:24] <theneb> ah right
[10:24] <theneb> so the use there is a bit different?
[10:24] <cyberix> I have no idea
[10:24] <theneb> cheers for your help anyway
[10:25] <cyberix> I'm just wondering
[10:25] <cyberix> Maybe someone can answer better
[10:25] <theneb> the game without buying it is a demo
[10:27] <cyberix> I do understand what you're asking.
[10:27] <cyberix> I just don't know how this new repository should work.
[10:27] <theneb> that's cool
[10:30] <sharms> to clarify the new repository has no connection to ubuntu
[10:30] <sharms> it is a canonical only project
[10:30] <cyberix> If I understood correctly
[10:30] <sharms> so if you need a package included, you need to make arrangements with them
[10:31] <cyberix> dapper-commercial is a Canonical thing. Not an Ubuntu thing.
[10:31] <sharms> as it is not a community affair
[10:31] <cyberix> So you'll probably contact Canonical
[10:31] <theneb> thanks for the clarity guys
[10:31] <cyberix> have to
[10:31] <Amaranth> dapper-commercial is things canonical got special rights to redistribute, i guess
[10:35] <sharms> I was testing a hostname bug, and was able to confirm it, and now I cant change my hostname back.  You guys know another way to use sudo? all I get is: sudo: unable to lookup bobvila via gethostbyname()
[10:35] <bddebian> OK, wtf do I do about attal?  The source tarball extracts to attal-src-0.10.1 ?
[10:37] <sivang> I hope nobody minds if I take the merge of etherape?
[10:37] <bddebian> sivang: Who uploaded it last?
[10:37] <sivang> bddebian: ivoks
[10:38] <bddebian> Hmm, I doubt it but it might be considerate just to let him know
[10:38] <sivang> If only he came online ..
[10:39] <bddebian> Damnit where's crimsun when I need him? :)
[10:41] <sivang> Amaranth: where was the dapper-commercial repo announced ?
[10:41] <Amaranth> was it?
[10:41] <Amaranth> i saw it in a meeting
[10:42] <Amaranth> there is http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/07/06/02/
[11:15] <sivang> slomo_: it seems that ubuntu universe maintainer introduced a patch system...
[11:15] <sivang> slomo_: dpath
[11:15] <sivang> dpatch
[11:15] <slomo_> happens sometimes :)
[11:17] <sivang> should I leave it with the patch system, or merge changes (desktop file, use gksudo instead of gksu) and drop the patch system?
[11:18] <slomo_> the latter
[11:21] <sharms> is there a way to search the wiki for changes I have made?