[11:39] <Jeeves___> Having a problem with mounted drives,
[11:40] <Jeeves___> on a server version
[11:40] <Jeeves___> should I be in general support or here?
[01:28] <Fjodor> Hi. Has anyone had a machine rebooting after grub, thus entering a cycle of reboots?
[02:04] <Fjodor> Anyone?
[09:47] <infamy> is there any plans to make a webbased admin tool?
[09:55] <spike> ther are already loads, why another?
[09:56] <sharms> spike: how about list them for him rather than an unproductive response?
[10:02] <harry666> i have troubles installing 6.06 server with a compaq smartarray controller, install works but after reboot the kernel cannot boot from the smartarray
[10:02] <DJ_Mirage> spike. only good one I know which is open source is webmin, which is bloated
[10:08] <spike> sharms: how about different POV? to me, anybody saying "why not making a webbased admin tool", like any other tool, must have done researches andd know about others and their weaknesses
[10:09] <tsume> a webbased tool also opens up more insecurities
[10:09] <spike> FUD
[10:09] <spike> a webbased tool doesnt open anything is it's well done
[10:09] <spike> or rather, it opens sec probs as any other service
[10:09] <tsume> you're increasing vulnerability level by opening a server(http) and having a third party script run
[10:10] <tsume> right, well webmin is full of holes lie swiss cheese
[10:10] <spike> tou're incresing vulnerrabilities any time you dd anything to your system. sowhat?
[10:10] <spike> yes, it's known, and so what? there are many others besides webmin
[10:10] <tsume> a remote server tool(perhaps based on a RPC service) only opens up a server, less can go wrong.
[10:11] <tsume> spike: the only reason to go web based is convienence
[10:11] <spike> an admin panel hidden behind an htaccess is harmless
[10:11] <spike> and how convenience is a bad thing?
[10:11] <spike> and why convenience necessarily must be unsecure?
[10:11] <tsume> spike: its not a bad thing, it depends on the person
[10:11] <spike> 21:09:34 < tsume> a webbased tool also opens up more insecurities
[10:11] <tsume> I can out admin anyone stright from the command line however
[10:11] <spike> where's the person mentioned there?
[10:12] <spike> there you say that webbased tools adds insecurities
[10:12] <spike> now you say it depends on the person... and so what? a bad admin will make mistakes, a good one less.
[10:12] <spike> nothing to do with webbased applications
[10:13] <tsume> spike: its adding more which could go wrong, and you dono't know a web admin tool does everything correct.
[10:13] <spike> again, anything you add is something that can go wrong, and so what?
[10:13] <spike> and you dont know cause you dont know the app or the app is poorly written. a good app does everything correct
[10:13] <spike> again, FUD
[10:13] <spike> and even generic
[10:14] <spike> it's not at all related to webbased tools, just any app
[10:14] <spike> there's ebox as well, new product, very interesting
[10:14] <tsume> heh. my apps are perfect ;) :P
[10:14] <tsume> j/k :)
[10:17] <sharms> spike: it is quite apparent infamy did not do research
[10:17] <sharms> spike: and since the spirit of ubuntu is helping others, why not recommend a few you have found interesting
[10:19] <spike> sharms: if is indeed a lot of infamy not to do research. spirit of helping others has nothing to do with lazyness
[10:19] <spike> sharms: besides, I alredy did, named 3 already
[10:20] <tsume> hmm
[10:20] <tsume> has anyone started converting their products to use on ubuntu?
[10:20] <tsume> like DirectAdmin, etc..
[10:20] <tsume> I know some of them are very proprietary to certain distros/OSes.
[10:35] <sharms>  I was testing a hostname bug, and was able to confirm it, and now I cant change my hostname back.  You guys know another way to use sudo? all I get is: sudo: unable to lookup bobvila via gethostbyname()
[10:40] <tsume> hmm
[10:40] <tsume> sudo works for me even if I didn't set my hostname correctly..
[10:40] <tsume> hehe, I usually have two sudo bash shells open anyway :)
[11:23] <infamy> sorry was away. and why i was asking if there was plans to make one just for ubuntu server, is that most of them out there lack polish and ease of use..
[11:23] <infamy> and from what i know of using ubuntu it is all about ease of use
[11:30] <infamy> and sharm left.. i have done my research i use webadmin right now, tried and use linuxconf on another machine. also have a clarkconnect box that has a closed source admin panel that is really good..
[11:31] <infamy> and i would NEVER put a box with a web admin panel on the net.. i use a vpn to get into my network. i just would rather it not take 10min to add a user to my server and create a share for them