[01:57] <TheWarden> Hi. I downloaded Edubuntu Live CD image.. burnt it and I can't get it to boot up. I see the startup menu.. I've tried all the options I know how to do.. it starts loading and then at the end the screen goes blank with a flashing cursor
[01:57] <TheWarden> then just sits there. Nothing else happens afterwards. What else can I do to get it to work?
[04:02] <cwillu> how do I log in on the local console (root?) on a edubuntu-net-booted terminal?  or alternatively, is there any way to make a local (to the terminal) drive available (to apps running on the terminal or the server)?
[04:13] <sbalneav> Evening all!
[04:24] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:24] <sbalneav> bddebian: Hello there!
[04:34] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: hey scott!
[04:35] <sbalneav> hey jsgotangco 
[04:54] <bimberi> hi all.  jsgotangco it's funny how once you see a name you start noticing it a lot more - http://softwarefreedomday.org/sfi/TshirtSigners  (2nd on list)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> aseigo's big on KDE
[04:55] <bimberi> as i'm now realising :)
[04:59] <jsgotangco> i think he's working for trolltech at the moment
[05:31] <xbl> anybody tried scribus on edubuntu?
[06:36] <bash> hey mhz 
[06:36] <bash> are you there ?
[06:36] <mhz> bash: hey
[06:37] <bash> what up!
[06:37] <mhz> anda a acotarte
[06:37] <mhz> es muy tarde
[06:37] <mhz> :D
[06:37] <bash> mhz, i sleep all day..
[06:37] <mhz> aah, de veras!
[06:38] <mhz> bash: I am talking to arkan0x about dsslive and his expereinces with it so far
[06:38] <bash> mhz, what is the developed version of ubuntu ? 
[06:38] <bash> dapper ?
[06:38] <mhz> the release is 6.06 and the 'under development' is edgy (6.10)
[06:38] <mhz> 6.06 = dapper
[06:39] <bash> oe loko tube dramas con la instalacion de dapper 
[06:39] <arkan0x> bash, edubuntu-es plis :D
[06:39] <bash> la version que te enviaban un solo CD
[06:39] <arkan0x> bash, #edubuntu-es plis :D
[06:39] <arkan0x> or #ubuntu-es :D 
[06:39] <bash> ajaja (plis)
[06:39] <mhz> "a mi no plis"
[06:40] <arkan0x> jajja
[06:40] <bash> version ql. la wea live cd nunca me pesco el particionamiento del installer
[06:40] <bash> :S
[06:40] <arkan0x> bash, para que seamos mas en edubuntu-es 
[06:40] <arkan0x> :D
[06:40] <bash> pichula
[06:41] <arkan0x> a mi si me pesko el particionamiento del live , en 2 tarros distintos he probado :D
[06:41] <bash> en esta wea no pesco probe con cuantas live cd
[06:41] <mhz> bash, I have not used live CD yet
[06:41] <bash> toas se congelaban 
[06:41] <bash> en la zona de particionamiento
[06:42] <arkan0x> bash, es tu hd :D 
[06:42] <bash> "Editar Particion"
[06:42] <arkan0x> aaa
[06:42] <bash> arkan0x, no puede ser el harddisk si breezy paso colaoo
[06:42] <bash> es la ui ql
[06:42] <arkan0x> bash, viste los logs ?
[06:42] <bash> que logs wn si es una live cd.
[06:42] <bash> se conjela
[06:42] <bash> no deja hacer nada
[06:43] <bash> la unica opcion es reiniciar la maquina
[06:43] <mhz> bash: and the min. requirements were ok?
[06:43] <bash> what ?
[06:43] <bash> toy con un sempron de 2.8 + 256 ram ddr
[06:43] <mhz> bash: the minimum requirements to run LiveCd
[06:43] <mhz> ooohhh
[06:43] <arkan0x> bash, tiene logs 
[06:43] <bash> disco duro de 80 gb
[06:44] <arkan0x> una live tiene logs 
[06:44] <bash> arkan0x, claro
[06:44] <bash> ii cuando reinicio el pc
[06:44] <bash> como los veos '?
[06:44] <bash> seguro te va aguardar los registros en la ram
[06:44] <mhz> cat /var/log/...
[06:44] <arkan0x> nono , cuando estas instalando con ubiquity (el gui) , se te generan logs 
[06:44] <mhz> sip
[06:45] <bash> sip. claro pero te reitero que la maquina queda completamente congelada
[06:45] <mhz> aah, y ubiquity no te alcanza a mostrar log?
[06:45] <bash> ahora lo que voy hacer, es migrar de breezy a dapper :D por APT
[06:45] <bash> lo que al mhz no le gusta :D:D:D
[06:45] <mhz> bash: please don't do it
[06:45] <arkan0x> bash, que raro lo que te paso
[06:45] <bash> mhz, yES, YEST
[06:45] <arkan0x> a mi no se me congelo ni nada 
[06:45] <mhz> bash: it is super weired 
[06:45] <arkan0x> instale rebien
[06:46] <bash> mhz, te apuesto una luca que la instalacion me la hace cagada de la risa :D
[06:46] <mhz> bash: yup, $1000
[06:46] <mhz> bash: but...
[06:47] <mhz> bash: I know APT will work
[06:47] <mhz> bash: it is the system I am afraid it will break
[06:47] <bash>  a que no
[06:48] <mhz> bash: $1000 but I MUST be there to look
[06:48] <mhz> :)
[06:48] <bash> oka
[06:48] <bash> te doy permiso por ssh para que webes su rato xD
[06:48] <bash> xD
[06:49] <mhz> bash: hehehe, hmmm
[07:17] <sbalneav> Night all
[01:49] <sbalneav> Good morning #edubuntu!
[01:50] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Good evening, sbalneav!
[01:52] <sbalneav> Fujitsu: Morning!
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Evening! Late evening at that.
[01:54] <cwillu> ooo, people
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Ooh, a cwillu!
[01:55] <cwillu> say, what users exist on the remote image?
[01:55] <cwillu> quite!  :)
[01:55] <Fujitsu> cwillu, none as far as I know.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> You can always check.
[01:55] <cwillu> well, there's must be at least root
[01:55] <cwillu> how do I check?
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Well, yes.
[01:55] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[01:55] <cwillu> chroot from the server?  because I can't seem to log in from the terminal
[01:55] <Fujitsu> I haven't set up a server in a whole two weeks, I can't remember what the default root is...
[01:55] <ogra> cwillu, root is locked by default as in all ubuntus :)
[01:55] <ogra> morning sbalneav 
[01:56] <Fujitsu> You can look at the passwd in the LTSP root.
[01:56] <cwillu> ogra: no, it's just set to a random password that you're not told
[01:56] <sbalneav> Morning
[01:56] <Fujitsu> cwillu, no.
[01:56] <ogra> cwillu, nope
[01:56] <Fujitsu> cwillu, it's set to nothing, thus disabled.
[01:56] <ogra> cwillu, but you can set a password for root in the client chroot if you need to log in to the client for debugging
[01:56] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[01:57] <ogra> that will forst ask for your user pw and then for the one you want to set in the chroot for root
[01:57] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l will lock it again
[01:58] <cwillu> wow, there's alot of bad info on the net then... :p  I've read the random password thing in a good 5 or 6 places
[01:58] <Fujitsu> cwillu, where? I'll go and email the webmasters about it. >:)
[01:58] <sbalneav> Bwahahah!  You trust the internet?!?!? :) 
[01:59] <cwillu> google ubuntu root random password
[01:59] <cwillu> of course not :p
[01:59] <ogra> !root
[01:59] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:59] <sbalneav> You realize you're not even talking to humans, but incredible computer simuations, right? :)
[01:59] <ogra> cwillu, see the wikipage the bot posted
[01:59] <cwillu> sbalneav: of course;  I wrote the simulation :p
[01:59] <sbalneav> Master!
[01:59] <cwillu> calm down calm down
[02:00] <cwillu> :p
[02:00] <cwillu> either way, sufficiently random password or disabled login under that user has the same effect;  so I have to create a user on that image if I want to do anything local on it (such as using a local harddrive)?
[02:01] <ogra> no
[02:02] <ogra> local devices work with a daemon running as root on the client
[02:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:02] <cwillu> and just to be pendantic, passwd -l root locks it again, not passwd -l it seems :p
[02:03] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientLocalDevices describes how we'll implement it for the next release
[02:03] <pygi> hi jsgotangco 
[02:03] <cwillu> I suppose I should also note that I'm not running a clean edubuntu, it's an xubuntu-desktop with various packages installed
[02:03] <cwillu> ogra, ah, thanks :)
[02:03] <ogra> cwillu, not if you run it via chroot
[02:03] <cwillu> ogra, I just ran it as chroot, and it gave me the help page
[02:03] <ogra> (passwd -l)
[02:04] <ogra> well, chroot makes you root, if you run passwd -l it locks the pw of the currently used user (root)
[02:04] <ogra> (at least it should)
[02:04] <cwillu> nope
[02:04] <cwillu> maybe it's different for root specifically
[02:05] <cwillu> I just logged in on the remote terminal, and then did passwd -l on the chroot again;  help page.   passwd -l root locked it though
[02:05] <ogra> well, might be ... i never use root ... not even while developing :)
[02:05] <cwillu> :p
[02:05] <cbx33> good afternoon all !
[02:05] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:05] <Fujitsu> Late evening, cbx33.
[02:05] <cbx33> what a sucky day !
[02:06] <cwillu> so is that still under development, the stuff that page is talking about?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: we all have that
[02:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco: do you have 500 kids running round the place thinking they own it?
[02:06] <cbx33> :p
[02:06] <cbx33> anyone heard of glscube ?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i have 20,000 simultaneous people in a server if you would like an anology
[02:07] <cbx33> heh
[02:07] <cbx33> we'll call it even :p
[02:07] <jsgotangco> except most of these people online are consenting adults
[02:07] <cbx33> ah
[02:07] <cbx33> and not annoying little brats
[02:08] <cbx33> who have now started nicking pc components out of the machines
[02:08] <cwillu> heh;  I'm guessing I'm in for a world of fun if I want to use captive-fs here, huh?  :)
[02:08] <cbx33> cwillu: what for ntfs writing?
[02:08] <cwillu> local drive
[02:08] <cwillu> doing weird stuff for the hell of it
[02:09] <cbx33> an ntfs partition?
[02:09] <cwillu> yes
[02:09] <cbx33> there is an ntfs fuse module now
[02:09] <cwillu> not full write support though
[02:09] <cwillu> I believe captive uses fuse though (?)
[02:09] <cbx33> maybe nbot full but it worked ok for me?
[02:09] <cbx33> unless they renamed it
[02:09] <cbx33> get the latest knoppix disc and look for a command called ntfsmount
[02:10] <cbx33> it mounts an ntfs partition
[02:10] <cbx33> rw
[02:11] <cwillu> basically, I feel much more comfortable using the driver that created the damn thing in the first place :)
[02:11] <cbx33> but of course
[02:12] <cwillu> I don't recall getting a warm fuzzy feeling re: what I recall of the limitations vs dbaseIII work (yay :/)
[02:12] <cwillu> either way;  what I'd almost like is a zero footprint netboot, livecd ish
[02:13] <cwillu> really, I should just go to bed before I do anything stupid, come to think of it
[02:14] <cbx33> hosed his pc :D
[02:14] <cwillu> ooo, fun
[02:15] <cwillu> see, part of my problem is I've got so many to hose, that I end up just ignoring the hosed one
[02:15] <cwillu> but they're scattered all over the city, so it's a pain to get a nice fresh (previously hosed but now ignorant of the reason) one
[02:20] <cbx33> hehe I know the feeling
[02:20] <cbx33>  :D
[02:22] <cwillu> so, x is launched with a broadcast for an xdmcp'ish server?  if I installed gdm or something as silly as ubuntu-desktop, would that do what I might think it might do?
[02:23] <Fujitsu> No, not XDMCP.
[02:23] <cwillu> most specifically, would I actually get a local prompt, possibly with the xdmcp option (and specifically if I changed the default x session to be a chooser?)
[02:23] <Fujitsu> It tunnels over SSH, then launches X through the SSH tunnel.
[02:24] <cwillu> right, that's that certificate regeneration thingie you need to run if the server changes ip
[02:24] <Fujitsu> Not certificate, but yes.
[02:27] <cwillu> is there any way I can get the chroot to use the cached packages from my main install?
[02:27] <cwillu> I really don't want to download 390 from a 10kb/s connection
[02:27] <cwillu> 390mB that is
[02:29] <cwillu> hard link /var/cache/apt/ into /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/?  :)
[02:30] <ogra> i think even a softlink should work
[02:31] <cwillu> soft=symbolic?
[02:32] <ogra> yep
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Hmm.... No, I don't think a symbolic link would work, as it installs the very base system, chroots, then installs the rest.
[02:32] <Fujitsu> And once it chroots, the symlink is invalid.
[02:33] <cwillu> so hardlink...?
[02:33] <cwillu> and what else does that break :)
[02:33] <cwillu> maybe a unionfs approach would be safer
[02:35] <cwillu> alternatively, I could just copy everything couldn't I
[02:37] <cwillu> but the real pressing question:  do I fire up the oven so I can cook a pizza?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[03:47] <ogra> night jsgotangco 
[03:48] <jsgotangco> hey ogra, sorry was a bit busy today, got to do some pretty good malone work
[03:48] <ogra> sorry ? what for ?
[03:49] <jsgotangco> =)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> all of us are busy atm but after uvf things should be more interesting
[03:51] <bddebian> Morning
[03:58] <sbalneav> Gave up on gaim, installed xchat :)
[03:58] <ogra> hehe
[04:09] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[04:58] <Petaris> Hello all
[04:58] <Petaris> I don't suppose anyone has worked with bacula on edubuntu?
[06:10] <Petaris> ok, I found bacula in univers
[06:10] <Petaris> er, universe
[06:10] <Petaris> now to get it configured
[06:15] <LaserJock> good morning Edubuntu!
[06:19] <LaserJock> wb ogra ;-) how long do you have until you will move to your new place?
[06:20] <ogra> end of the month the move has to be done
[06:20] <LaserJock> k
[06:21] <ogra> i moved the rest of my office yesterday ... and i'll take either next or the week afterwards off 
[06:22] <LaserJock> ogra: is bug #52552 because you had to remove lang packs?
[06:24] <lucasvo> ogra: btw, did you upload already any changes to edgy?
[06:26] <ogra> lucasvo, yes
[06:26] <ogra> for ltsp
[06:27] <ogra> LaserJock, the user needs the es locales installed and language-pack-es-base (or however its called) ... that cant work ...
[06:36] <LaserJock> ogra: what can't work?
[07:32] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[07:32] <cbx33> got a sec in pm?
[07:51] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:31] <sbalneav_> reconfiguring my network somewhat.
[09:34] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Anyone set up an Edubuntu LTSP authenticating against Windows?
[09:38] <Burgwork> cberlo, you talking about AD?
[09:38] <cberlo> Yep
[09:39] <Burgwork> it is currently not as easy it sounds. ajmitch is working on something with SoC that should make it eaiser
[09:39] <cberlo> Burgwork: and I'd like to be able to map user home directories from Windows into a "Files" folder in their Linux home.  So far, I've been fairly successful, but I can't get the mounting stuff...
[09:41] <cberlo> Burgwork: Have you used pam_mount, by any chance?
[09:41] <Burgwork> nope sorry
[09:41] <Burgwork> I avoid messy things like actually using edubuntu ;)
[09:42] <cberlo> I'm beginning to think I may need to try another avenue to get this all to work.  Seems like I can get most of what I want working, but mounting the drives is kinda critical...
[09:43] <LaserJock> cberlo: have you tried emailing the edubuntu-users list?
[09:43] <cberlo> LaserJock: No, not yet.  Still searching to see if there is a more direct answer that I've missed.  That's on my list of things to do.
[09:59] <cberlo> LaserJock: Okay, I'm done searching the list for answers, and I've fired off a request for help with my issues...  Hopefully that will help.  Thanks!
[10:01] <LaserJock> great, I hope it helps too
[11:05] <cbx33> Hi all
[11:05] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:05] <cbx33> hehe
[11:05] <cbx33> I hated it before but I'm at new levels of hate now
[11:05] <cbx33> 31 mins to do a spyware xcan
[11:05] <cbx33> and it's still going
[11:06] <cbx33> I wish I was writing rules files abour now
[11:06] <cbx33> 75000, objects scanned
[11:10] <cbx33> :(
[11:10] <cbx33> I've wasted 36 minutes of my life watching this
[11:10] <cbx33> there is no progress bar