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linuxmonkey | anyone here? | 03:14 |
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bddebian | No one that knows anything about the commercial repo :-) | 03:17 |
linuxmonkey | lol | 03:17 |
linuxmonkey | yeah no one seams to know | 03:17 |
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jsgotangco | there was a bug about opera not being available for PPC | 03:19 |
jsgotangco | glatzor said its the fault of g-a-i not knowing | 03:20 |
jsgotangco | i dunno how to translate that in adept terms though | 03:20 |
jsgotangco | probably the binaries are not yet in the archive | 03:20 |
linuxmonkey | could be | 03:20 |
linuxmonkey | oh well ill leave the wiki page as i edited for now | 03:20 |
jsgotangco | it looks great | 03:21 |
linuxmonkey | did you see it? | 03:22 |
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Hobbsee | hi all | 03:48 |
nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 03:49 |
Hobbsee | hey nixternal :) | 03:50 |
nixternal | konversation .20 nightly has issues | 03:52 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: what issues? | 03:52 |
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nixternal | it keeps bootin' me from the network..plus the timers don't work | 03:52 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: i'm suspecting what you had before was a config files issue - if you removed all config files for konversatoin, does it still happen? | 03:52 |
nixternal | yup | 03:53 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: that's weird. havent seen that. | 03:53 |
nixternal | i watched teh lag count to 180s which is dcc timeout...30 seconds is my regular timeout | 03:53 |
Hobbsee | ah | 03:53 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: tell them in #konversation if sho_'s around | 03:53 |
nixternal | cool Hobbsee..appreciate that | 03:54 |
linuxmonkey | lol | 03:55 |
Hobbsee | hi linuxmonkey | 03:57 |
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Hobbsee | oh yes, merge kvdr, install edgy, and work a bit with *powersave, if lure didnt touch it. | 03:57 |
linuxmonkey | hi | 03:58 |
nixternal | nalioth is telling me to use kvirc | 03:58 |
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linuxmonkey | lol | 03:58 |
nixternal | i had to make sure that it wasn't a dcc attack Hobbsee, because i am on port 8001, but it was a dcc timeout | 03:58 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: true | 03:58 |
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DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Hello :) | 05:37 |
Hobbsee | hey DaSkreech | 05:37 |
=== Hobbsee is building :) | ||
DaSkreech | imbrandon: hi | 05:37 |
DaSkreech | Legos!!! | 05:37 |
imbrandon | heya DaSkreech | 05:38 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | whee! chroots are fun :) | 05:42 |
DaSkreech | Yeah | 05:42 |
DaSkreech | I'm still trying to figure out why though | 05:42 |
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DaSkreech | They have this strange giddy feeling about them | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | heh | 05:45 |
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Hobbsee | MOM's wokring agian, which is good. | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | This module contains unreleased software. | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | The software may compile and work, but it may just | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | as well neither compile nor work. | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | interesting.... | 05:46 |
DaSkreech | Is that MOM the organization or MOM the hovering parental figure? | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: merge-o-matic | 05:46 |
DaSkreech | Ah :-) | 05:46 |
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bddebian | hehe | 05:51 |
freeflying | moin all | 05:51 |
bddebian | Hello freeflying | 05:52 |
freeflying | bddebian: hey | 05:52 |
robotgeek | hello freeflying bddebian | 05:55 |
Hobbsee | hi robotgeek, freeflying | 05:55 |
freeflying | robotgeek: hi, so long haven't seen you :) | 05:55 |
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freeflying | Hobbsee: hi | 05:55 |
robotgeek | hey Hobbsee | 05:56 |
robotgeek | yes. long time, been busy | 05:56 |
robotgeek | hoping to be back to linux by time we need edgy documentation :) | 05:56 |
Hobbsee | robotgeek: we need documentation now - a lot is so old :P | 05:56 |
Hobbsee | robotgeek: you're with windows or something? eek | 05:57 |
robotgeek | Hobbsee: no windows yet | 05:57 |
robotgeek | tried os x for about a week. i'm going back to kde | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | robotgeek: hehe | 05:57 |
DaSkreech | Why is that linked to !mount? | 05:57 |
DaSkreech | robotgeek: Did you try quicksilver? | 05:59 |
robotgeek | DaSkreech: i used quicksilver about 1.5 years ago, it is very nice | 06:01 |
robotgeek | i stuck to spotlight this time | 06:01 |
freeflying | robotgeek: maybe you can try kde4 under osx now | 06:01 |
DaSkreech | You can? | 06:01 |
robotgeek | freeflying: hmm, cool thought | 06:01 |
robotgeek | amarok totally owns itunes :) | 06:02 |
freeflying | the d-bus stuff seems solved now, so kdelibs can be built now | 06:02 |
robotgeek | freeflying: is this native or under x11? | 06:03 |
freeflying | robotgeek: native | 06:03 |
bddebian | Hi robotgeek | 06:03 |
freeflying | so it's worth trying | 06:03 |
robotgeek | oh, that is cool | 06:03 |
DaSkreech | is dcop still going to be around or is everything d-bus now? | 06:03 |
freeflying | DaSkreech: all d-bus now | 06:04 |
DaSkreech | Cool :-) | 06:04 |
DaSkreech | More power for linux :) | 06:04 |
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Hobbsee | so we wont have to do removal foo when copying over /home to make sure that kde still will login. nice. | 06:05 |
robotgeek | kubuntu fresh install served up :) | 06:08 |
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Hobbsee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211960 | 06:13 |
Hobbsee | i'm glad *someone* has figured it out. | 06:13 |
robotgeek | lol | 06:13 |
imbrandon | heh yea, the few bright ones ;) | 06:14 |
bddebian | heh | 06:14 |
imbrandon | i should really visit the forums more, i havent even read a post ( other than those Hobbsee pokes me about ) in month | 06:15 |
imbrandon | s | 06:15 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 06:15 |
imbrandon | i just feel so "dirty" after reaading them becosue there is so much misinformation | 06:16 |
imbrandon | heh | 06:16 |
DaSkreech | Speaking of that | 06:16 |
DaSkreech | http://blog.madduck.net/debian/2006.05.24-ubuntu-and-debian | 06:17 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, there is a long thread on the ml about that post | 06:17 |
DaSkreech | Did you see the tech republic one? | 06:17 |
DaSkreech | I'd rather not bandy that around but I've lost all interest in that site | 06:18 |
imbrandon | yea i "try" to keep up with the news becouse of buntudot ;) | 06:18 |
DaSkreech | Ah yeah I should listen to the podcast again :) | 06:18 |
imbrandon | podcast 2 was posted a few days ago | 06:18 |
DaSkreech | It sould be nice if we had an official (k)ubuntu radio station | 06:18 |
DaSkreech | I know I should listen to it again :) | 06:19 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, /me is working twords that | 06:19 |
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imbrandon | hehe Hobbsee | 06:19 |
imbrandon | i just include my @kubuntu.org email and let them think what they wish | 06:19 |
DaSkreech | Course would be nice if someone would donate a decent microphone | 06:20 |
DaSkreech | As long as it's not to that "other" podcast | 06:20 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, to whom ? heh | 06:20 |
Hobbsee | and then there's more blatant misinformation. what fun. | 06:20 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, ubuntuos ? yea they have major sound issues | 06:20 |
DaSkreech | No they have major presentation issues | 06:21 |
DaSkreech | If they got MJ's studio I'd still not listen to them | 06:21 |
imbrandon | true but this isnt the place ;) feel free to stop by #buntudot and lets leave this chan for the "dev stuff" | 06:21 |
imbrandon | ;) | 06:21 |
DaSkreech | Well.. a radio station would be developing the world of kubuntu :) | 06:22 |
imbrandon | ;) | 06:22 |
Hobbsee | speaking of which | 06:23 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: ping? | 06:23 |
bddebian | Yes | 06:23 |
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Hobbsee | bddebian: want to upload kvdr for me please? | 06:24 |
imbrandon | any canonical employees in here alive ? | 06:25 |
imbrandon | got just a quick stupid question really | 06:25 |
DaSkreech | You mean Riddell? | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: try u-devel. what's the question? | 06:25 |
imbrandon | Hobbsee, about the commercial repos , yea u-d might be better | 06:26 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, any one not just Ridd*ell | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: certainly wont be awake yet | 06:26 |
DaSkreech | Isn't he the only employee? | 06:26 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: from kubuntu side, yeah | 06:27 |
DaSkreech | right | 06:27 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: Where is it? | 06:27 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2657 | 06:27 |
DaSkreech | Oh I wanted to ask. What's the policy of people who are helping in the main chan then get idiotic/abusize/mean/ towards people? | 06:29 |
bddebian | DaSkreech: ? | 06:30 |
DaSkreech | abusive whoops | 06:30 |
bddebian | Who is abusive/mean, etc? The channel folks? | 06:30 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: where in particular are you meaning? | 06:30 |
DaSkreech | Yes | 06:30 |
DaSkreech | #kubunut | 06:30 |
DaSkreech | #kubuntu | 06:31 |
bddebian | Oh, I thought you meant #u-devel ;-P | 06:31 |
DaSkreech | Oh right that's a main channel :) | 06:31 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's always better to actually ask your question, you know - not ask to ask. | 06:32 |
DaSkreech | !ask | 06:32 |
ubotu | Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | 06:32 |
DaSkreech | Hmm wonder where I've heard that before | 06:33 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: Uploaded | 06:33 |
DaSkreech | So is there a policy on that? | 06:33 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: thanks :) | 06:34 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i think the idea is "just poke an op about it, and they deal with it as they see fit" currently | 06:35 |
DaSkreech | Hmm OK. That kind of bugs me | 06:35 |
DaSkreech | Right now I just step in and steal away the person looking for help | 06:35 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: well, anyone has the power to tell them to stop, ec | 06:36 |
Hobbsee | etc | 06:36 |
DaSkreech | If the "helper" is just being ignorant I'll thwap them or if they are being mean I'll tell them to stop | 06:36 |
DaSkreech | but I've seen at least two people chain "helping" | 06:36 |
bddebian | Damnit, I want to respond to madducks comments | 06:37 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: chain helping? | 06:37 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: --> #ubuntu-ops | 06:37 |
DaSkreech | No chain "helping" | 06:37 |
DaSkreech | as soon as someone comes in and asks for help they jump in and start guiding the person | 06:38 |
Hobbsee | ah right | 06:38 |
DaSkreech | If in a) 15 minutes or b) two tries the person doesn't get the problem fixed they start telling them they are too dumb to use Linux or they can go stuff themselves | 06:38 |
DaSkreech | so they are trying to help but not trying to get the problem fixed | 06:39 |
DaSkreech | so it seems a bit harsh to call ops on them but then they are very much not helping matters | 06:39 |
DaSkreech | more or less the kind of folks who think that cause they are using Linux they are 2_31337 and that the more people they help the more they dilute how cool they can be | 06:40 |
DaSkreech | (arm chair pysch diagnosis) | 06:40 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: that is true. there arent a lot of people watching that channel, i'm afraid | 06:41 |
DaSkreech | I picked that up | 06:42 |
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DaSkreech | Since she brought up artwork ... Why was the degenerating usplash taken out? | 06:54 |
DaSkreech | I liked it | 06:54 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: it's not there? | 06:55 |
DaSkreech | No It builds up | 06:56 |
Hobbsee | oh | 06:56 |
Hobbsee | no idea | 06:56 |
DaSkreech | Oh wait :) When you boot up the progress bar on the usplash goes up | 06:56 |
DaSkreech | During the beta when you shout down it would run backwards from 100% to 0% then shutdown I loved it | 06:56 |
DaSkreech | now when you shutdown it runs from 0% up to 100% and shutsdown :-( Much less qute :-( | 06:57 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yes, but does it work all the time now? | 06:58 |
DaSkreech | Oh you mean running up? | 06:58 |
DaSkreech | I don't know I hardly ever shut down properly | 06:58 |
Hobbsee | yea | 06:58 |
DaSkreech | it does work when I see it though :) | 06:59 |
Hobbsee | i suspect that's why it swiched directions... | 07:00 |
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DaSkreech | alright I'll live with that.. as long as there is still an attempt to get it to reverse. That's just really cool :) | 07:02 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: Riddell stopped working on that, and did ubiquity. | 07:04 |
DaSkreech | Oh it was Riddell working on it? remind me to ping him to see if he needed help on that | 07:04 |
DaSkreech | Wonder why it was stopped in Ubuntu as well. Maybe I can track the usplash person there as well | 07:05 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yes. and he likely does. i'm assuming it's untouched for the moment | 07:05 |
DaSkreech | I'll do the same | 07:05 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, uspash is al changed for edgy, its full screen now and soem thoer things | 07:06 |
DaSkreech | does it roll backwards? | 07:06 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, its a test screen atm | 07:07 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: oh is it? nice! | 07:07 |
imbrandon | DaSkreech, look at the vmware in the middle http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png | 07:07 |
DaSkreech | ok 12:00 time to test out the new bed | 07:09 |
imbrandon | heh | 07:09 |
Hobbsee | heh, nice | 07:10 |
Hobbsee | night DaSkreech | 07:10 |
Hobbsee | i really should install edgy. | 07:13 |
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Hobbsee | good, this will sync too. | 07:15 |
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Hobbsee | raphink: just approve the thing? | 07:25 |
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Hobbsee | heh | 07:26 |
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Hobbsee | raphink: debian stole ubuntu's patch for a bug, therefore it's a straight sync :) | 07:26 |
raphink | I'm not sure "stole" is a proper word in open-source | 07:27 |
raphink | "merged" might be better | 07:27 |
Hobbsee | raphink: it was in debian's changelog :P i know | 07:27 |
DaSkreech | stole was in the change log? | 07:28 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yep | 07:28 |
raphink | oh right | 07:28 |
raphink | * Start cnid_metad when requested by user. (Patch stolen from Ubuntu.) | 07:29 |
raphink | + debian/netatalk.init: Run cnid_metad. | 07:29 |
raphink | + Closes: #308828 "cnid_metad doesn't run on startup" | 07:29 |
Hobbsee | raphink: yeah | 07:29 |
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raphink | ffunny word in this context ;s | 07:29 |
Hobbsee | true | 07:29 |
DaSkreech | ok 12:30 really should find out about that new bed | 07:34 |
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Hobbsee | hi Lure_ | 07:53 |
Lure_ | hi Hobbsee | 07:53 |
Hobbsee | how are you doing? | 07:53 |
Lure_ | busy at work - three days before vacation, so lots of last-minute things to do... ;-) | 07:54 |
Hobbsee | Lure_: ah fun :) | 07:56 |
Hobbsee | !info powersave edgy | 07:56 |
ubotu | Package powersave does not exist in edgy | 07:56 |
Hobbsee | !info kpowersave edgy | 07:56 |
ubotu | kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 3199 kB, installed size 4924 kB | 07:57 |
Hobbsee | right | 07:57 |
Lure | !info powersaved | 07:57 |
ubotu | powersaved: power management daemon. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.12.15-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 376 kB, installed size 1852 kB | 07:57 |
Hobbsee | good, so they wont be affected by UVF | 07:57 |
Lure | Hobbsee: yes, it looks like | 07:57 |
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Hobbsee | Lure: it's assigned to you? | 08:00 |
Lure | Hobbsee: no, to Keybuk, but I am sure he is busy man these days... | 08:00 |
Hobbsee | Lure: that's true. | 08:00 |
Hobbsee | Lure: now that looks very scary. | 08:02 |
Lure | Hobbsee: I can imagine | 08:06 |
Hobbsee | Lure: i just checked the .patch files created by MoM from it. although a lot looks duplicated | 08:06 |
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Hobbsee | oh dear, i think this is going to bail. | 08:50 |
Hobbsee | 20mb orig.tar.gz.... | 08:50 |
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Hobbsee | oh wow! it went through! | 09:10 |
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Hobbsee | hehe | 09:43 |
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mornfall | there's something in your eyes, flowing them over, stealing all the harmony which lives in me, your hands are covering my tears | 01:24 |
mornfall | there's a sort of inner dance, trying to seduce me, feeling this anomaly which takes me | 01:24 |
mornfall | Lacuna Coil -- Aeon | 01:24 |
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glatzor | Hi mornfall | 01:28 |
mornfall | hi :-) | 01:28 |
mornfall | waza | 01:28 |
glatzor | The German upstream KDE translation team pointed my to this bug: | 01:29 |
glatzor | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/47181 | 01:29 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 47181 in ept "localisation support in adept tools conpletly broken" [Medium,Unconfirmed] | 01:29 |
mornfall | what a great bugreport | 01:29 |
glatzor | Is this an issue of adept or rosetta? | 01:29 |
mornfall | i have no idea, really | 01:29 |
glatzor | Do you use gettext for all strings? | 01:30 |
mornfall | i do | 01:30 |
mornfall | well | 01:30 |
mornfall | kde locale thingy | 01:30 |
glatzor | I am not familiar with this. | 01:33 |
Riddell | it's just gettext. mostly. | 01:34 |
mornfall | forked gettext, too | 01:35 |
glatzor | The German translation is at 100% in Rosetta, but there are still a lot of untranslated strings | 01:35 |
mornfall | probably doesn't like to load libept mo | 01:35 |
mornfall | since it's statically linked now | 01:35 |
mornfall | that could be the problem, actually | 01:35 |
glatzor | Fixable? | 01:36 |
glatzor | Or to invasive for dapper-updates? | 01:37 |
glatzor | i am off. | 01:39 |
glatzor | bye | 01:39 |
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mornfall | Riddell: hi, too :) | 01:43 |
mornfall | Riddell: what's up with freetype in 6.06? :\ | 01:43 |
Riddell | hi mornfall, nice holiday? | 01:44 |
mornfall | yeah, quite :) | 01:44 |
Riddell | I don't know, should work | 01:44 |
mornfall | the fonts totally blow after a livecd install on an lcd | 01:44 |
mornfall | no amount of fiddling with AA settings in fonts kcm helps | 01:45 |
Riddell | I've not heard of any other complaints about it | 01:46 |
omeow | worked for me | 01:46 |
omeow | (After spending a few days trying to get both my TFTs to work. Kguidance just seems to screw up my xorg.conf file with all sorts of crap that I don't think it needs.) | 01:47 |
mornfall | well, together with no libsdl on the cd, that thing caused kubunutu to lose against windows on my father's desktop (which is lame) | 01:48 |
mornfall | it *could* be evil dpi setting, but i doubt it | 01:48 |
omeow | I wonder why it can't say "option twinview 1" when it sees I have an nvidia card. | 01:48 |
omeow | Instead it goes on defining multiple monitors and screens. | 01:49 |
imbrandon | Riddell, got time to look at and advocate a revu upload so i can get my required 2 people ? ( 0 linda and lithan error excpt it dosent like the distro "edgy" but thats normal ) | 01:51 |
Riddell | imbrandon: sure | 01:52 |
imbrandon | cool , http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2661 | 01:52 |
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imbrandon | moins kwwii | 01:58 |
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kwwii | howdy imbrandon | 01:58 |
glatzor | so mornfall, it would be nice if you could post a small comment on launchpad about the state and if it will be fixable for dapper | 01:59 |
mornfall | fixable probably, fixed, well, i am tight on schedules for edgy already | 02:00 |
pygi | kwwii, because the backend is done, I would be grateful if you could send me what have you done by now ^_^ Or at least the shoots, so I could make a GTK one | 02:01 |
Riddell | imbrandon: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2661 | 02:07 |
imbrandon | ok | 02:08 |
imbrandon | thanks | 02:08 |
Riddell | mornfall: your specs got approved while you were away | 02:08 |
Riddell | mornfall: which means you need to decide if you want to do adept as a bounty or not | 02:08 |
Riddell | seaLne: how are you getting to lugradio? | 02:09 |
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Lure | Riddell: seen my mail? | 02:13 |
Riddell | Lure: yep, it's next on my todo to look at | 02:13 |
Riddell | after reading all my other e-mails | 02:14 |
Riddell | seaLne: do you have xinerama? | 02:14 |
Lure | Riddell: ok, no hurry - I will not be able to response at least for next 3 hours... ;-) | 02:14 |
kwwii | pygi: i can send you something soon | 02:14 |
pygi | kwwii, k, thanks | 02:14 |
pygi | I'll be unavailable by wednesday, so take your time ^_^ | 02:14 |
kwwii | cool | 02:15 |
mornfall | Riddell: right... | 02:16 |
pygi | kwwii, and thanks ^_^ | 02:19 |
kwwii | no prob | 02:19 |
pygi | imbrandon, how's nfs doing? :) | 02:19 |
imbrandon | pygi, great , i have my /home dir on it for all my boxes and i can now work at any of my workstations without jugling files ;) | 02:20 |
seaLne | Riddell: in someone's (full) car, no xinerama | 02:20 |
pygi | imbrandon, :) | 02:20 |
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imbrandon | Riddell, i got everthing changed but the debhelper , should i not change that even though it complains on build that anything before 4 is deprecated and lithan complains also ? ( just wondering before i reupload ) | 02:29 |
Riddell | imbrandon: in my opinion it's not worth the hassle of getting out of sync with upstream, but if you'd rather improve the packaging that's up to you but please send improvements back upstream | 02:31 |
imbrandon | ok, and yea i plan to send all changes back to upstream | 02:31 |
imbrandon | ( the reason i changed it to 5 to begin with is crimsun sugested it on my first upload ) heh | 02:32 |
Riddell | :) | 02:32 |
Riddell | however you wish then | 02:32 |
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Hobbsee | hi all | 02:34 |
Riddell | morning Hobbsee | 02:34 |
Hobbsee | hey Riddell! | 02:34 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: uh oh, what's with komba2? | 02:35 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: it didn't compile because kde didn't install, I'm using it as a test to see if kde will install now :) | 02:35 |
Riddell | which it should | 02:35 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: ah right, yes. | 02:35 |
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imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 02:39 |
Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 02:39 |
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Hobbsee | oh yeah, right, they're just saying that stuff i requested syncs for which are new made it into the archive. excellent. | 02:40 |
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Hobbsee | hi jjesse | 02:41 |
jjesse | morning Hobbsee | 02:41 |
Riddell | morning jjesse | 02:41 |
jjesse | morning Riddell | 02:41 |
Hobbsee | i thought that having packages waiting in dep-wait was annoying and bad. odd. | 02:41 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: what's the protocol for going for MOTU? do you have to have an update wiki page and all that? | 02:42 |
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imbrandon | Riddell, all fixed up ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2663 | 02:44 |
imbrandon | heya jjesse | 02:44 |
Hobbsee | (three merges to go! yay! | 02:44 |
Hobbsee | ) | 02:44 |
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imbrandon | Hobbsee, you can help me figure out the ftbs on helix-player ;) | 02:45 |
imbrandon | lol | 02:45 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: got no idea about that :P | 02:45 |
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imbrandon | me either i'm gonna ping crim*sun or someone about it later | 02:45 |
imbrandon | yea its some py voodoo i think | 02:45 |
imbrandon | dunno | 02:45 |
imbrandon | lol | 02:46 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, up to date wiki page and bring along supporters who have reviewed/uploaded your stuff and can say how good your packages are | 02:47 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: right, okay. | 02:47 |
Hobbsee | hehe - there are plenty of those around :P | 02:47 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: you want to testify? | 02:47 |
Riddell | sure | 02:48 |
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Riddell | when is the meeting? | 02:48 |
Hobbsee | oh, stevenk and ajmitch, of course | 02:48 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: 19th or so? | 02:48 |
Riddell | our 18th, ok | 02:48 |
Hobbsee | it's 6am, which means i'll likely be veyr very zoned out, unfortunately - please tell them that that's normal for that hour of the day, adn that i really can hold a conversation :P | 02:49 |
imbrandon | heh pre type everything ;) | 02:49 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: i'll have to check the logs to see what they ask (eek!) | 02:49 |
imbrandon | btw gl Hobbsee i'm sure you'll do well | 02:50 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 02:50 |
imbrandon | ;) | 02:50 |
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Hobbsee | oh yeah, and glo...something. | 02:50 |
imbrandon | hrm , time for food, Riddell please ping me if you see any other errors in that new upload , i am 99% sure i took care of all the comments bbiab | 02:56 |
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Hobbsee | [23:09] <Gloubiboulga_> Hobbsee, have you ever seen KDE apps installing documentation in /usr/share/doc/HTML (I guess not but I want to be sure)? | 03:09 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: by default KDE will do that but in Debian/Ubuntu it should be /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ | 03:10 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: thanks. | 03:17 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: out of curiousity, and i know this should probably wait till a meeting, but what would the effect of getting rid of most of the kubuntu changes to konqueror be? | 03:18 |
Hobbsee | oh no! i shouldnt have updated my pbuilder again. | 03:20 |
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mornfall | what kubuntu changes to konq? | 03:20 |
Hobbsee | no, wait, it's okay | 03:20 |
Hobbsee | mornfall: the ones about multiple profiles, etc. remove the konquerorrc stuff, and it's heaps different! | 03:20 |
Hobbsee | mornfall: and a lot of users complain about it | 03:20 |
mornfall | what multiple profiles | 03:21 |
mornfall | the stripped-down toolbar is fine | 03:21 |
mornfall | any other intrusive changes? | 03:21 |
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jsgotangco | imbrandon__: do you sleep :) | 03:23 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: for adding back profiles you should argue with tonio. what other changes do you want reverted? | 03:23 |
imbrandon__ | jsgotangco, yea its almost my bedtime now ;) | 03:24 |
Hobbsee | jsgotangco: he lives in my timezone, and he's on the other side of the world | 03:24 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: fair enough. i'm only starting to play around with it now. | 03:24 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: i'm more wondering if it's a "this is set in stone kubuntu change" or "this could be changed, if we had good rationale for it" | 03:24 |
jsgotangco | heh | 03:25 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: nothing is set in stone | 03:25 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: okay. even a startup wizard for konv? | 03:26 |
imbrandon__ | heh Hobbsee i forgot about those questions till i got the notice | 03:26 |
imbrandon__ | ;) | 03:26 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon__: heh | 03:26 |
Riddell | startup wizards are evil | 03:26 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: unless they're actually necessary, yes. | 03:27 |
imbrandon__ | Riddell, yea what about a "first run wizzard" for konv, Sho_ and company are wanting to make it manditory and honestly looks like for good reason ( no sane defaults ) | 03:27 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: for stuff like kopete/konvi, you kinda have to have them - because as much as you can configure an app, or a desktop, you cant configure someone's networks they want to connect to at startup, you cant configure their instant messenger accounts, etc | 03:28 |
imbrandon__ | unless we can change some of the defaults for konv ( that would be better imho ) | 03:28 |
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imbrandon__ | becouse of user/pass and other personal account info needed to realy be usefull , unlike something like amarok that can run and never care whom you are | 03:28 |
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imbrandon__ | heh Hobbsee i've been saything that for two days now | 03:30 |
Riddell | imbrandon__: what's wrong with the current first run konversation dialogue? | 03:30 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon__: it was working properly a couple of days ago. | 03:30 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: it's being rewritten. | 03:30 |
imbrandon__ | Riddell, it wont be there much longer | 03:30 |
Riddell | so long as the replacement is easier to use that's all good | 03:31 |
imbrandon__ | ;) | 03:31 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: did you do something evil with kdelibs4c2a in edgy? | 03:32 |
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imbrandon__ | Hobbsee, is that pbuilder tar still on the server? | 03:32 |
imbrandon__ | erm nm it dosent have the base.tgz | 03:32 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon__: no, the tar was never on the server | 03:32 |
imbrandon__ | Hobbsee, i meant my server ( but yea it dident have the tgz in it , just the configs ) | 03:33 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon__: yeah | 03:33 |
imbrandon__ | i was thinking you might be able to restore from htat but oh well, anyhow its bed time for bonzo err imbrandon , gnight all | 03:33 |
Hobbsee | night imbrandon__ | 03:34 |
imbrandon__ | hahah there go my clones | 03:34 |
imbrandon__ | and now here i go | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | kdelibs-bin: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2) but it is not going to be installed | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | root@sarah:/# apt-get install kdelibs4c2a | 03:34 |
Hobbsee | kdelibs4c2a is already the newest version. | 03:34 |
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Hobbsee | and it's less updated than i need it to be. damn. | 03:43 |
Riddell | remember you hvae access to the chroot on my machine if that helps | 03:46 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: that is true :) | 03:46 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: it's very useful | 03:47 |
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Hobbsee | hi bddebian | 03:49 |
bddebian | Hi Hobbsee | 03:51 |
bddebian | Hi * | 03:51 |
Hobbsee | okay, ignore what i said w.r.t pbuilder. kdelibs-bin is still required as a b-d for this page, for some warped reason. | 03:53 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: page? | 03:54 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: s/page/package | 03:54 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: kdelibs-bin doesn't exist any more | 03:55 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: so i discovered :) it's a part of kdelibs4c2a now | 03:55 |
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Riddell | what's the package? | 03:55 |
Hobbsee | ah, klogic, i'm about to merge it | 03:55 |
Riddell | looks like there's a few packages that need their kdelibs-bin dependency removed | 03:55 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, so i noticed. | 03:56 |
=== Hobbsee might do that next. | ||
=== Hobbsee will need an uploader though | ||
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Hobbsee | bddebian: heh. i finally put my name up for MOTU. | 03:58 |
Riddell | I can upload | 03:58 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: true, but i have to build it first, which means i have to get my pbuilder updated again - looks like the au mirrors are a few days old. | 03:59 |
imbrandon | sed -i s/au.//g sources.list ;) | 04:00 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: Awesome | 04:00 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: i'm using two lots of mirrors | 04:00 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: want to cheer for me? | 04:00 |
bddebian | Of course, when is the next meeting? | 04:01 |
imbrandon | run it twice once for the uk. too ;) | 04:01 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: 18th or so | 04:01 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: hah | 04:01 |
imbrandon | gah Riddell whom do i poke about there not being a ppc deb of realplay 10 on the dapper-commercial repo buth there is a linux ppc realplay 10 intsaller on the real site ? | 04:05 |
Riddell | imbrandon: real Inc I'd guess | 04:05 |
Riddell | mdy will probably be the Canonical contact | 04:06 |
imbrandon | the maintain their own packages on dapper-commercial ? | 04:06 |
imbrandon | kk thanks | 04:06 |
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imbrandon | is mdy ever in ubuntu-devel or should i email him ? | 04:12 |
Riddell | imbrandon: he's not, e-mail him | 04:16 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: you prefer debdiffs, rather than source, right? | 04:16 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: depends what for? | 04:16 |
Riddell | updates to existing packages yes | 04:16 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: fixes for kdelibs-bin files | 04:16 |
Hobbsee | so yeah | 04:16 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: can you upload a package for me please? and is it advisable to fix "W: klogic source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 3" before upload? | 04:24 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: not if it's not fixed upstream | 04:24 |
Riddell | no point diverging from debian needlessly | 04:24 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: that's what i thought. good. | 04:24 |
Riddell | I can upload yes | 04:24 |
=== Hobbsee uploads | ||
Hobbsee | thanks :) | 04:25 |
=== Hobbsee cant poke stevenk into uploading for her tonight - he's not around! | ||
linuxmonkey | wassup Hobbsee, Riddell, imbrandon | 04:25 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: okay, http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/klogic/klogic_1.62.orig.tar.gz and when revu processes it, i'll grab you the other link :) | 04:25 |
Hobbsee | hi linuxmonkey! merging is up! it's also down and sideways. | 04:26 |
linuxmonkey | lol | 04:26 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: how would you like this debdiff? pastebin? | 04:27 |
Riddell | sure | 04:27 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/232ElK14.html :) for knemo | 04:28 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: you need to depend on kdelibs4c2a instead | 04:32 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: and I'd say "merged into" rather than replaced by | 04:33 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: isnt kdelibs4c2a covered by the shlibs depends of kdelibs4-dev? | 04:33 |
Riddell | oh I see, yes | 04:34 |
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Riddell | sorted, uploading.. | 04:34 |
Riddell | I thought it was a build-dep | 04:34 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, so did i, till i couldnt find it in the build-deps :P | 04:35 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: uploaded, thanks | 04:35 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: :) | 04:35 |
Riddell | allee: able to get that patch into debian? | 04:35 |
Hobbsee | bleh. ditto for wlassistant, allee's the maintainer of both. then we could sync it. | 04:36 |
Hobbsee | well, merge it | 04:36 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2664 for klogic | 04:37 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: it's worth fixing in kubuntu though, getting it into debian and back could take some time | 04:37 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: true | 04:37 |
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Hobbsee | (eek! scons!) | 04:37 |
Hobbsee | and if i do them in the next two days, then i wont have to write reports for the changes! yay! | 04:47 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aqhG6L52.html for uploading | 04:49 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: if your'e not already looking at klogic, i can ask bddebi*an or another MOTU to look at it, without a problem. | 04:49 |
Riddell | I am | 04:50 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: What's the * for? :-) | 04:50 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: to not ping you accidently :P | 04:50 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: ah cool :) didnt want to drown you in work :P | 04:50 |
Riddell | oh it's far too late for that | 04:51 |
bddebian | heh | 04:51 |
bddebian | Hobbsee: It's good for him. Builds character ;-P | 04:51 |
Hobbsee | bddebian: heh | 04:52 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: wlassistant and klogic uploaded | 05:01 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8yyhbD78.html as well :) | 05:01 |
Hobbsee | hehe nice thankyou :) | 05:01 |
Riddell | go go Hobbsee | 05:01 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 05:01 |
mornfall | hard decisions, hard decisions :\ | 05:01 |
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seaLne | we just found a 19" TFT at the bottom of our cardboard recycling pile :) | 05:02 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: libcvsservice0 has a recommendation of kdelibs-bin, yet it doesnt seem to be in the control file. | 05:02 |
Hobbsee | seaLne: now that is crazy :P | 05:02 |
seaLne | well it was in its cardboard box... :) | 05:03 |
mornfall | the sad thing about 19" TFTs is that they are usually 1280x1024 | 05:03 |
seaLne | yeah but only 10 more that 17" | 05:03 |
seaLne | need to go to 20" to get more than 1280x1024 | 05:04 |
mornfall | you could get a 1600x1200 19" CRT just fine | 05:04 |
mornfall | and it would still have vastly superior colour fidelity ;-) | 05:04 |
allee | Hobbsee, Riddell: about knemo: is kded now in kdelibs4c2a? because ... | 05:04 |
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Riddell | allee: because there was a circular dependency between kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs-bin | 05:05 |
mornfall | only slight problem that it takes huge amount of space... | 05:05 |
allee | * Add to depends: kdelibs-bin (contains kded), kicker | 05:05 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe, as i found to my annoyance in my pbuilder. grumble grumble. | 05:05 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: qtparted uploaded too, thanks | 05:05 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: :) | 05:05 |
allee | Hobbsee: you removed kdelibs-bin from depends: * Remove depends kdelibs-bin (replaced by kdelibs4c2a) | 05:06 |
Hobbsee | allee: yes. | 05:06 |
Riddell | allee: kdelibs-bin doesn't exist any more | 05:06 |
allee | Riddell: oh, time install edgy here! Is kded now in kdelibs4c2a? | 05:07 |
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Riddell | allee: yes it is, in Kubuntu and Debian | 05:07 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: kdelibs4c2a should not have a dependancy on kdelibs-bin, should it? | 05:08 |
allee | ah, okay. I'll add it to kde-extra knemo repo | 05:08 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: I'd say not | 05:09 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: right, good | 05:09 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: it has a Provides instead | 05:10 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: for some warped reason, it's still listed in the depends. go figure :P | 05:10 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: not for me in kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu3 | 05:11 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: then why's it showing in rdepends? | 05:12 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: probably the provides does that | 05:12 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: you're right. and replaces. | 05:13 |
Hobbsee | which takes me back to the very interesting question of why libcvsservice0 shows it as a recommends, yet i cant find it in control. | 05:13 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: kdesdk isn't built yet for 3.5.3 | 05:15 |
Riddell | needs kdepim to be sorted first | 05:15 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: ah right. i thought i saw an upload of that | 05:15 |
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Riddell | I think you're on a roll with kdelibs-bin fixes :) | 05:19 |
bddebian | heh | 05:19 |
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=== jjesse does nothing worthwile as wel :) | ||
Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe | 05:20 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: what, like i was with the dh_iconcaches, where i was pretty much regarded as the queen of them? | 05:20 |
Hobbsee | jjesse: you write the documentation - now get writing :P | 05:22 |
jjesse | Hobbsee: grin just got done wth an hour long discussion in regards to our Switching From Windows to *ubuntu we are writing for edgy ;) | 05:22 |
Hobbsee | jjesse: hehe nice :) | 05:22 |
Riddell | jjesse: discussion where? | 05:23 |
mornfall | is edgy supposed to be for normal users? | 05:23 |
jjesse | Riddell: over private message via irc, working on getting an email out to ubuntu-doc mailing list about what we discussed | 05:24 |
jjesse | so we can have further discussion | 05:24 |
seaLne | mornfall: only where normal == us :) | 05:24 |
mornfall | well, normal users as in outside the community | 05:24 |
seaLne | wouldn't have thought so | 05:24 |
mornfall | so much for the half-year release cycle :] | 05:25 |
seaLne | its that crappy package manager thats the problem :P | 05:25 |
mornfall | where, what/ | 05:26 |
mornfall | ? | 05:26 |
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Riddell | mornfall: it will be when it's released ye | 05:26 |
Riddell | s | 05:26 |
seaLne | oh you didn't mean just now? | 05:27 |
mornfall | i obviously mean the release | 05:27 |
mornfall | the stuff between doesn't exist for people outside :) | 05:27 |
seaLne | well your question didn't appear obvious to me | 05:27 |
Riddell | nuff squabbling children | 05:29 |
jjesse | but its fun to squabble :) | 05:29 |
seaLne | anyone that wasn't in #ubuntu-motu when i asked earlier seen "I have no package to build" when building a package? http://pastebin.ca/84083 | 05:30 |
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Riddell | seaLne: does debian/control exist? | 05:31 |
seaLne | yes | 05:31 |
seaLne | that was the only suggestion i saw from googleing | 05:32 |
seaLne | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2665 | 05:32 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tL0Zwf94.html :) toma will get that into debian | 05:32 |
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Hobbsee | let it be payday!!!!! | 05:34 |
Hobbsee | let me be paid NOW!!!! | 05:34 |
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DaSkreech | Oh I probably shouldn't bring this up | 05:36 |
Hobbsee | hi DaSkreech! | 05:37 |
Hobbsee | bring what up? | 05:37 |
DaSkreech | http://bash.org/?368808 | 05:37 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: grr. | 05:38 |
DaSkreech | :-D | 05:38 |
Hobbsee | but true. | 05:38 |
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Hobbsee | actually, that is a pretty funny typo - the first time around :P | 05:38 |
DaSkreech | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grrr#Sexual_arousal | 05:39 |
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DaSkreech | Yeah I know :) I cracked up when I saw it | 05:39 |
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DaSkreech | So it was on the top of my head :) | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | pft. | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | @lart DaSkreech | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | hmmm...must be disabled in here | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | probably a good thing | 05:41 |
DaSkreech | Wahts that? | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | dont worry | 05:41 |
DaSkreech | >_> | 05:41 |
Riddell | seaLne: removing the binary-indep: lines seems to fix it | 05:41 |
DaSkreech | Shouildn't payday be Friday? | 05:41 |
DaSkreech | Hi Riddell | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: no, payday is tonight. | 05:42 |
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bddebian | heh | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | heh | 05:43 |
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=== Hobbsee also makes her manager hate her, but that's beside the point. | ||
Hobbsee | and it looks like the supermarket is going to go out of business. yay? | 05:44 |
DaSkreech | Gather as much info on the POS as you can | 05:45 |
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toma | ola | 05:45 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: rsibreak uploaded | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | hey toma | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: thanks :) | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: i have more info than i want - they run windows NT server. | 05:45 |
seaLne | Riddell: still does the same for me when i buid it, you were talking about the Depends: line in the binary section yeah? | 05:45 |
Hobbsee | and they often crash. | 05:45 |
DaSkreech | I know we had this convo already :) | 05:46 |
Riddell | seaLne: in debian/rules the binary-arch: rule | 05:46 |
DaSkreech | I'm interested in building a killer linux POS | 05:46 |
DaSkreech | There are three I've found so far | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | we did? my brain must be dying. | 05:46 |
seaLne | Riddell: ah | 05:46 |
toma | Hobbsee: ah, you changed rsibreak in ubuntu already? | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | toma: yeah | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | toma: although we could have synced it i guess. oh well | 05:47 |
toma | Hobbsee: ok, i will do the same for debian and request a sync for the next version | 05:47 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: that's got all of the kdelibs-bin stuff fixed, as far as i can see | 05:47 |
Hobbsee | toma: yeah, may as well, in edgy+1 | 05:47 |
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Riddell | we will sync it if Debian gets it updated at a time we can sync | 05:47 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: top job, well done | 05:48 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: :) | 05:48 |
toma | Riddell: did you look at digikam/kscope | 05:49 |
toma | ? | 05:49 |
Riddell | toma: kscope uploaded | 05:49 |
Riddell | toma: digikam I need to look at what's not compiled yet on amd64 | 05:50 |
Hobbsee | toma: kscope? | 05:50 |
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Riddell | the buildds seems to be running slowly today though | 05:50 |
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seaLne | Riddell: nope still not making any difference, removed binary-arch and its mention in binary | 05:50 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: dont tell me i've been giving them too much of a workout :P | 05:50 |
toma | allee: great, i'll do the kipi-plugins then | 05:50 |
Riddell | seaLne: hmm, it's broken for me again here | 05:50 |
allee | toma: good. (there was something about flickr needs depends konqueror afair) | 05:51 |
toma | allee: ah, ok, suggests i presume? | 05:52 |
Riddell | toma: somebody updated digikamimageplugins to 0.8.1-2ubuntu1 so I guess we'll just see how that works | 05:52 |
toma | Riddell: grrr. | 05:52 |
Riddell | toma: flickr plugins will need to depend on konqueror | 05:52 |
jjesse | ok why can't i get the @SIG@ to work on the kubuntu/meeting page? | 05:52 |
jjesse | grumble grumble | 05:52 |
Hobbsee | jjesse: i never have been able to either. | 05:53 |
Riddell | it needs konqueror to authenticate | 05:53 |
jjesse | ah | 05:53 |
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toma | Riddell: with a depend on libgamin | 05:53 |
Riddell | seaLne: it seems to be running all the dh_ stuff twice | 05:53 |
allee | toma: do you remember why rsibreak did depend on kdelibs-bin? | 05:53 |
toma | Riddell: that is because of libfam.la | 05:53 |
Hobbsee | allee: an icon thing in there | 05:53 |
Riddell | toma: tsk | 05:53 |
toma | Riddell: so that is wrong | 05:54 |
toma | allee: yes, the general icon in the settings | 05:54 |
toma | allee: i guess i should simply copy that icon in the tarball so we can lose that dep? | 05:55 |
seaLne | Riddell: hmm you're right weird | 05:55 |
toma | allee: friendlier for the gnomies as well | 05:55 |
allee | toma: depends where the icons is now. If it's a 'usually' installed/needed. Depends. Otherwise copy it (in your next upstream release) | 05:56 |
allee | toma: as flickr depends on it I would say let kipi-plugin recommend it (as we do for other plugins already) | 05:57 |
Riddell | seaLne: where do you actually run make? | 05:58 |
Riddell | build-arch doesn't have it | 05:58 |
toma | allee: hmm.. two discussions are mixing up here | 05:58 |
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toma | (wow, a flying doctors replay, is that were i pay money for?) | 06:00 |
seaLne | Riddell: i thought one of the dh_ things did that but i'm guessing now thats a no? | 06:00 |
allee | Hobbsee: I thing you need an alioth account. To get rid of save some pkg-kde-extras merging ;) | 06:01 |
toma | i agree | 06:01 |
Riddell | seaLne: in build-arch-stamp you should uncomment the make line | 06:01 |
Hobbsee | allee: argh! i'm not even a MOTU yet! | 06:01 |
Riddell | seaLne: however I don't see why that would be causing the problem we're seeing | 06:01 |
seaLne | but would cause i slightly more serious problem :) | 06:01 |
allee | Hobbsee: no excuse. Me too. Nevertheless I've an alioth account ;) | 06:01 |
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Hobbsee | allee: i'm sure i could find you plenty of excuses :P | 06:02 |
toma | allee: kipi plugins currently only depends on shlibs:depend, for flickr we would need konqueror there | 06:02 |
allee | Hobbsee: all you need is ssh and svn client ;) | 06:02 |
Hobbsee | allee: that's probably why i had a probelm then | 06:03 |
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Hobbsee | it's 2am. | 06:03 |
toma | nite Hobbsee | 06:03 |
allee | toma: add konqueror to recommends plus a changelog why it was added. My brain needs this support info :( | 06:03 |
allee | Hobbsee: nite | 06:03 |
toma | allee: oki | 06:04 |
toma | allee: k3b is added as recommend, isn't that the same situation? | 06:05 |
seaLne | Riddell: uncomenting that make causes more errors, i'm pretty certain it was building it before as it did run gcc | 06:05 |
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Hobbsee | and the orig.tar.gz is huge - bet it'll want to upload it. | 06:06 |
allee | toma: yes, konqueror -> recommends | 06:06 |
toma | Riddell: do you agree? | 06:06 |
toma | ah, i was pretty much finished. | 06:08 |
DaSkreech | apt-get purge * | 06:10 |
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nixternal | nite Hobbsee | 06:12 |
Riddell | seaLne: it'll have been buliding from the "make install" run | 06:17 |
Riddell | toma: depends how well the flickr plugin handles not having konqueror installed | 06:18 |
seaLne | Riddell: yeah seen that now, it was -indep and -arch that was causing the second time running | 06:18 |
seaLne | Riddell: sorting it now | 06:19 |
toma | Riddell: iirc it asks to login to the flickr site and press ok when done. | 06:19 |
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Riddell | toma: that's right, to approve the plugin | 06:20 |
DaSkreech | Riddell: Were you working on the reverse usplash for shutdown? | 06:21 |
Riddell | DaSkreech: all I do it make kdm call usplash | 06:21 |
DaSkreech | So I need to be asking #u-devel for why it was abandoned? | 06:21 |
Riddell | DaSkreech: what's the problem? | 06:24 |
DaSkreech | It's not a problem | 06:24 |
Riddell | the issue then | 06:24 |
DaSkreech | Just that through the dapper testing when you shut down teh usplash ran backwards from 100% to 0% and it was very cool | 06:24 |
Riddell | I'm pretty sure it still does | 06:25 |
DaSkreech | I was perturbed that they put it to run up on shutdown for the release | 06:25 |
DaSkreech | I see you shut down as often as I do :) | 06:25 |
DaSkreech | it runs up from 0% to 100% like on startup | 06:26 |
DaSkreech | in the testing phase it ran down. Much more expressive and nicer | 06:26 |
Riddell | look at the changelog, see if you can spot who made the change | 06:29 |
toma | Riddell: are you subscribed to kde-i18n-doc? | 06:29 |
Riddell | toma: yes | 06:30 |
Riddell | I just replied | 06:30 |
toma | Riddell: okidoki | 06:30 |
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toma | !seen tonio | 07:28 |
ubotu | tonio is on IRC right now! | 07:28 |
toma | !seen tonio_ | 07:31 |
ubotu | I last saw Tonio_ (n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net) 1d 4h 7m 58s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection | 07:31 |
mornfall | Riddell: i think i'll relax the schedule and won't hunt for bounty this time -- i have lots of other stuff to do and guess i need a break... | 07:50 |
mornfall | Riddell: well, for now i keep 2.2 as a target before edgy freeze, i can even try to have a 2.3 in time, but 2.3 without commercial software or dist upgrade stuff (unless someone else is able to implement those) | 07:53 |
mornfall | it would be also of great help if someone could take care of launchpad bugs on adept, because i would be much happier to only deal with b.k.o | 07:57 |
mornfall | don't volunteer everyone at once :p | 07:59 |
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kwwii | re | 08:01 |
DaSkreech | hi | 08:03 |
kwwii | hi DaSkreech | 08:03 |
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toma | raphink: twinkle is updated to 0.8 now, it took debian a bit longer because the new version contained the iLBC codec, which isn't DFSG or GPL compatible, so that had to be stripped. | 08:06 |
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mornfall | --> pistacchio | 08:10 |
DaSkreech | Hi mornfall | 08:11 |
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Riddell | mornfall: fair enough | 08:15 |
Riddell | mornfall: I may have to look at doing the commercial stuff, I think the powers at Canonical will expect it | 08:16 |
Riddell | mornfall: I can try and sort out the launchpad bugs | 08:17 |
raphink | toma_|_: nice | 08:26 |
mornfall | Riddell: i was more hoping someone less overloaded than you :-) | 08:31 |
mornfall | Riddell: you have lots of work already | 08:31 |
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Tonio_ | hey | 08:33 |
Tonio_ | toma_|_: raphink told me you were searching for me... | 08:33 |
Tonio_ | I'm back in 10 minutes, time to take a shower and I'm ok | 08:33 |
mornfall | --> home | 08:45 |
mornfall | laters | 08:45 |
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DaSkreech | 09:32 | |
Riddell | speak up | 09:38 |
DaSkreech | up | 09:39 |
mornfall | re | 09:42 |
mornfall | is there a way to put the kubuntu side of things for adept up for adoption? | 09:43 |
mornfall | anyone got tips on possibly interested people? | 09:43 |
mornfall | i want to keep good relationships with kubuntu and everything... i just need to offload some work | 09:44 |
DaSkreech | Maybe ask on forums or wiki? | 09:46 |
DaSkreech | whats the kubuntu side of adept? | 09:47 |
Riddell | forums.. most amusing :) | 09:47 |
mornfall | r-right :-) | 09:47 |
mornfall | DaSkreech: launchpad, kubuntu-specific issues | 09:48 |
DaSkreech | Yeah there must be at least one person on the forums willing to do some work on it | 09:48 |
DaSkreech | I'll wager his name is mornfall though | 09:49 |
jjesse | what is exactly involved in the kubuntu side of things? moving bugs filed in launchpad to bugs.kde.org/ | 09:49 |
jjesse | ? | 09:49 |
DaSkreech | lol | 09:49 |
mornfall | jjesse: well, after they are sorted out and junk is filtered, that too :) | 09:50 |
jjesse | mornfall: i can attempt to filter some of that junk oout | 09:50 |
mornfall | well, the idea is that i can unsubscribe from launchpad without losing useful data | 09:50 |
mornfall | keeping up with malone is a nuisance | 09:51 |
jjesse | sorry for the stupid question, but is it more then just receivng emails? | 09:51 |
mornfall | yeah, reading them, triaging the reports, responding, closing up junk | 09:52 |
mornfall | possibly trivial task for someone else, but burdensome and annoying for me | 09:53 |
mornfall | ah, and figuring when things are not actually adept bugs (at least for the more obvious cases) | 09:54 |
mornfall | the idea is that i can completely forget about all that... it would already be a big help | 09:58 |
mornfall | another part where someone could do lots of useful work would be testing development versions from time to time | 10:05 |
mornfall | since when one has to do all testing himself, well, not all that nice either | 10:06 |
Lure_ | jjesse: will you have time to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes with your laptop (I am really interested as you have standby/hibernate/lock/battery keys) | 10:09 |
jjesse | Lure_: on schedule for tonight | 10:10 |
Lure_ | jjesse: great - I will update the page with additional info how to collect stuff | 10:10 |
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toma | Tonio_: received my mail? | 10:13 |
Tonio_ | I didn't check my mails at this time | 10:14 |
Tonio_ | let me look | 10:14 |
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Tonio_ | toma: great | 10:16 |
Tonio_ | did you find the solution to the problem ? | 10:16 |
Lure_ | Tonio_: you have Sony laptop, right? | 10:16 |
toma | Tonio_: the build system does not cope with srcdir != builddir | 10:16 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: yes | 10:17 |
toma | Tonio_: tried to fix the build system, but choose the easy way out later on | 10:17 |
Lure_ | Tonio_: any special laptop keys? Can you add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes? | 10:17 |
Tonio_ | toma: yes but where is that progress.h file ? ;) | 10:17 |
toma | Tonio_: that gets created automatically from progress.ui | 10:17 |
toma | Tonio_: that's how .ui files work | 10:17 |
Tonio_ | ah ! I didn't knew this | 10:18 |
DaSkreech | mornfall: I'll thinka about it | 10:18 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: I'm already in contact with sladen concerning this | 10:18 |
DaSkreech | mornfall: No commits yet though :) | 10:18 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: there is a special trick to perform with the fs and fj series of vaio | 10:18 |
mornfall | well, sure, but it needs a commited person :-) | 10:18 |
mornfall | anyhow, the easy way | 10:18 |
mornfall | i drop all that stuff and someone picks up or it is left undone :-) | 10:19 |
mornfall | i will think about that... it's sort of nasty, but usually works | 10:19 |
Lure_ | Tonio_: so you do not get xev/hal events yet? | 10:19 |
toma | Tonio_: they named the orig tarball *-2*, not sure what you do with that, but you might need to adjust the changelog to it | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | we looked at this and he has the solution to add the keys to the laptop-buttons package | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: I do get them but installing a package | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | he will extract the events from the code | 10:19 |
Tonio_ | toma: yes I don't know what to do with it.... | 10:20 |
Tonio_ | toma: I will probably include the latest beta instead of latest stable version anyway | 10:20 |
Tonio_ | so that's not an issue | 10:20 |
toma | Tonio_: send a message to upstream about that, they might be tempted to do it again | 10:21 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: there are no xev events but the keys work | 10:21 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: this is due to sonypi kernel extension using a different output for keys | 10:21 |
Tonio_ | and according to sladen there are about no chances that upstream will change this since he probably did this for a good reason | 10:22 |
Lure_ | Tonio_: ok, then nothing to do about it | 10:22 |
Tonio_ | toma: yes, but in a certain way, I don't know if they will change their tarball versioning "just for debian" ; | 10:22 |
Tonio_ | ;) | 10:22 |
Tonio_ | Lure_: just wait for sladen to include the required things to the package and edgy will have sony hotkeys out of the box | 10:23 |
toma | Tonio_: true | 10:23 |
Tonio_ | toma: many thanks for the explanation | 10:23 |
toma | Tonio_: np | 10:23 |
Tonio_ | I will know how this works... hard to figure out if nobody explains it the first time :) | 10:24 |
toma | Tonio_: yeah, took me a couple of hours to figure out how debian builds the package, so i learned as well | 10:25 |
Tonio_ | toma: hehe | 10:26 |
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Lure_ | Riddell: any idea where this regression might come out - bug 37341 - this is also causing problems on my desktop with Genius MM keyboard where XF86WWW is assigned to multiple keycodes, and then none of them works correctly :( | 10:35 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 37341 in kubuntu-meta "XF86AudioRaiseVolume key/action not working in kde" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37341 | 10:35 |
Riddell | Lure_: how do you know it's the duplicate entry that's causing problems? | 10:41 |
Lure_ | Riddell: three users reporting it (I will now boot my desktop and confirm is possible) | 10:42 |
Riddell | Lure_: does the problem get solved if you remove one of the entries from the X mapping? | 10:43 |
Lure_ | Riddell: that is what they reported it fixes the problem for them | 10:43 |
Lure_ | Riddell: but having multiple keys (keycodes) having same keysym is valid config | 10:43 |
Lure_ | Riddell: I suspect that KDE hotkey handler somewhere just picks up the first keycode and does the map instead of getting all keycodes | 10:44 |
Riddell | hmm, that's quite a pain, I'm not sure where to look for that | 10:45 |
Riddell | it's probably part of Qt | 10:45 |
Lure_ | Riddell: since they claim it worked at least on 5.04, it may be Qt/KDE regression or xkb change (no duplicates in 5.04?) | 10:46 |
Lure_ | I am concerned that this kind of issue may limit usefullness of our KubuntuLaptopButtons implementation... | 10:46 |
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mornfall | goodnight folks | 11:17 |
Riddell | night mornfall | 11:17 |
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Riddell | verwilst_: cool! | 11:41 |
Riddell | verwilst_: how's it done? | 11:41 |
verwilst_ | sure is :d | 11:41 |
verwilst_ | what do you mean? | 11:41 |
verwilst_ | Riddell? | 11:42 |
Riddell | verwilst_: do you need top use that dual boot loader from Apple? | 11:43 |
verwilst_ | well | 11:43 |
verwilst_ | in mac os, you start bootcamp | 11:44 |
verwilst_ | and repartition your windows partition | 11:44 |
Riddell | that's the one | 11:44 |
verwilst_ | then you boot with the kubuntu cd | 11:44 |
verwilst_ | and use the windows partition as ext3 or something :) | 11:44 |
verwilst_ | pretty easy :) | 11:44 |
verwilst_ | only my @ and # aren't working yet :( | 11:44 |
verwilst_ | and backlight controls and stuffs | 11:45 |
verwilst_ | the bottom is pretty hot though | 11:45 |
verwilst_ | i can't keep my hand on it for a few seconds | 11:45 |
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verwilst_ | Riddell: knetworkmanager doesn't support wpa? | 11:48 |
Riddell | not yet | 11:49 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm on universe apps actually... | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I have an issue with kio-locate.... | 11:51 |
Riddell | Tonio_: what's up? | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: a strange issue that fails the build with scons...... | 11:51 |
Tonio_ | lots of people have seens this one on the net, but nobody seems to have the key :) | 11:52 |
Tonio_ | but I will find.... | 11:52 |
Tonio_ | I still have my 30 universe apps to merge, and a few new apps to package, like kwlan, since it'll be a good replacement for wlassistant eventually.... | 11:52 |
Tonio_ | I also found better than knemo ;) | 11:53 |
allee | Tonio_: ^^ which is better? | 11:55 |
Lure_ | verwilst_: knetworkmanager supports wpa, but not will all wifi drivers | 11:55 |
Tonio_ | allee: let me show you | 11:56 |
Tonio_ | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41938 | 11:57 |
Tonio_ | that would be very interesting to provide a kind of "real time initiation video for kubuntu" ;) | 11:58 |
Tonio_ | users generally appreciate video "howtos" :) | 11:58 |
allee | Tonio_: that's cool, but I don't get the relation to knemo | 11:58 |
Tonio_ | there is no | 11:58 |
Tonio_ | just wait for me to find out the link | 11:58 |
allee | 1 ccd 600x600 | 11:59 |
allee | 64x 64 ccds insgesamt | 11:59 |
allee | kuerzerster job 30 sec bei 600x600 | 11:59 |
allee | ein client arbeitet 20 x 600x600 pixels ab --> 10 min rechenzeit | 11:59 |
allee | jeder client liest 3 files | 11:59 |
allee | 20 x 600x600 x 4 byte -> 29 MB | 11:59 |
allee | 3 files -> 90 MB | 11:59 |
allee | bei 10 MB durchsatz 9 sec | 11:59 |
allee | 30 sec processing 60 % | 11:59 |
allee | 10 sec IO20 % | 11:59 |
allee | 10 sec setup/cleanup20 % | 11:59 |
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allee | ==> 175 Tage CPU ~ 1.5 x 175 = 260 reale Tage | 11:59 |
allee | Ein Bild verarbeiten heisst: | 11:59 |
allee | 600x600x64x64x4 x 3 files = 16875 MB / 200 ~ 85 MB pro node | 11:59 |
allee | In 10 min mussen 90MBx200 = 18000 MB uebertragen werden -> 30 MB | 11:59 |
verwilst_ | Lure_: aaaah it works | 11:59 |
allee | Bei 10 MB thoughput -> 3 IO server + 1 spare | 12:00 |
verwilst_ | i just seemed to try and connect to a wep AP :) | 12:00 |
verwilst_ | you can't see wether it's wep or wpa in the interface :( | 12:00 |
allee | f*ck. sorry! | 12:00 |
=== allee hides | ||
Riddell | allee: we forgive you | 12:01 |
Tonio_ | Riddell, mornfall: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24579 | 12:02 |
Tonio_ | any opinion ? | 12:02 |
Tonio_ | quite nice in my opinion | 12:02 |
Riddell | is that a tree widget on the left hand side? | 12:04 |
Riddell | I'm not much of a fan of tree widgets with 10,000 items | 12:04 |
Tonio_ | allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16264 | 12:04 |
Tonio_ | this one's kool | 12:05 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: don't you like amarok ? | 12:05 |
Riddell | amarok isn't a tree item | 12:05 |
Riddell | oh, the stuff on the left of amarok is | 12:05 |
Riddell | and I hate that :) | 12:05 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: ah.... that's very clear in my opinion | 12:05 |
Tonio_ | this frontend really ressembles to amarok's structure | 12:06 |
Riddell | this is why we don't have KControl in kubuntu | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | well it depends on the application | 12:06 |
Tonio_ | in that case, that sounds clear because of the tabs on the left (like amarok also) | 12:06 |
=== allee wish network monitor apple devels would work together | ||
Tonio_ | well there is a little bunch of packages I have to do after I finish the universe merging of kde applications.... | 12:07 |
Tonio_ | hard month coming ::) | 12:08 |
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