=== erov [n=j@c-69-247-101-157.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.56.153] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-45-164.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-164-237.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A60A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:14] anyone here? [03:17] No one that knows anything about the commercial repo :-) [03:17] lol [03:17] yeah no one seams to know === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:19] there was a bug about opera not being available for PPC [03:20] glatzor said its the fault of g-a-i not knowing [03:20] i dunno how to translate that in adept terms though [03:20] probably the binaries are not yet in the archive [03:20] could be [03:20] oh well ill leave the wiki page as i edited for now [03:21] it looks great [03:22] did you see it? === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] hi all [03:49] hiya Hobbsee [03:50] hey nixternal :) [03:52] konversation .20 nightly has issues [03:52] nixternal: what issues? === Hobbsee made it crash last night :D [03:52] it keeps bootin' me from the network..plus the timers don't work [03:52] nixternal: i'm suspecting what you had before was a config files issue - if you removed all config files for konversatoin, does it still happen? [03:53] yup [03:53] nixternal: that's weird. havent seen that. [03:53] i watched teh lag count to 180s which is dcc timeout...30 seconds is my regular timeout [03:53] ah [03:53] nixternal: tell them in #konversation if sho_'s around [03:54] cool Hobbsee..appreciate that [03:55] lol [03:57] hi linuxmonkey === Hobbsee wonders what she had to do todya. [03:57] oh yes, merge kvdr, install edgy, and work a bit with *powersave, if lure didnt touch it. [03:58] hi [03:58] nalioth is telling me to use kvirc === linuxmonkey has to install vmware [03:58] lol [03:58] i had to make sure that it wasn't a dcc attack Hobbsee, because i am on port 8001, but it was a dcc timeout [03:58] nixternal: true === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.171] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:37] Hobbsee: Hello :) [05:37] hey DaSkreech === Hobbsee is building :) [05:37] imbrandon: hi [05:37] Legos!!! [05:38] heya DaSkreech [05:39] hehe [05:42] whee! chroots are fun :) [05:42] Yeah [05:42] I'm still trying to figure out why though === erov [n=j@c-69-247-101-157.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["."] [05:45] They have this strange giddy feeling about them [05:45] heh === Hobbsee pokes DaSkreech into doing some merging. [05:45] MOM's wokring agian, which is good. [05:46] This module contains unreleased software. [05:46] The software may compile and work, but it may just [05:46] as well neither compile nor work. [05:46] interesting.... [05:46] Is that MOM the organization or MOM the hovering parental figure? [05:46] DaSkreech: merge-o-matic [05:46] Ah :-) === DaSkreech runs sudo updateacronymdb [05:51] hehe [05:51] moin all [05:52] Hello freeflying [05:52] bddebian: hey [05:55] hello freeflying bddebian [05:55] hi robotgeek, freeflying [05:55] robotgeek: hi, so long haven't seen you :) === Hobbsee points bddebian to -motu :P [05:55] Hobbsee: hi [05:56] hey Hobbsee [05:56] yes. long time, been busy [05:56] hoping to be back to linux by time we need edgy documentation :) [05:56] robotgeek: we need documentation now - a lot is so old :P [05:57] robotgeek: you're with windows or something? eek [05:57] Hobbsee: no windows yet [05:57] tried os x for about a week. i'm going back to kde [05:57] robotgeek: hehe [05:57] Why is that linked to !mount? [05:59] robotgeek: Did you try quicksilver? [06:01] DaSkreech: i used quicksilver about 1.5 years ago, it is very nice [06:01] i stuck to spotlight this time [06:01] robotgeek: maybe you can try kde4 under osx now [06:01] You can? [06:01] freeflying: hmm, cool thought [06:02] amarok totally owns itunes :) [06:02] the d-bus stuff seems solved now, so kdelibs can be built now [06:03] freeflying: is this native or under x11? [06:03] robotgeek: native [06:03] Hi robotgeek [06:03] so it's worth trying [06:03] oh, that is cool [06:03] is dcop still going to be around or is everything d-bus now? [06:04] DaSkreech: all d-bus now [06:04] Cool :-) [06:04] More power for linux :) === DaSkreech 's theory still holds true [06:05] so we wont have to do removal foo when copying over /home to make sure that kde still will login. nice. [06:08] kubuntu fresh install served up :) === Hobbsee snorts [06:13] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211960 [06:13] i'm glad *someone* has figured it out. [06:13] lol [06:14] heh yea, the few bright ones ;) [06:14] heh [06:15] i should really visit the forums more, i havent even read a post ( other than those Hobbsee pokes me about ) in month [06:15] s [06:15] hehe [06:16] i just feel so "dirty" after reaading them becosue there is so much misinformation [06:16] heh [06:16] Speaking of that [06:17] http://blog.madduck.net/debian/2006.05.24-ubuntu-and-debian [06:17] DaSkreech, there is a long thread on the ml about that post [06:17] Did you see the tech republic one? [06:18] I'd rather not bandy that around but I've lost all interest in that site [06:18] yea i "try" to keep up with the news becouse of buntudot ;) [06:18] Ah yeah I should listen to the podcast again :) [06:18] podcast 2 was posted a few days ago [06:18] It sould be nice if we had an official (k)ubuntu radio station [06:19] I know I should listen to it again :) [06:19] DaSkreech, /me is working twords that === Hobbsee sets her signature on the forums to include "kubuntu developer" [06:19] hehe Hobbsee [06:19] i just include my @kubuntu.org email and let them think what they wish [06:20] Course would be nice if someone would donate a decent microphone [06:20] As long as it's not to that "other" podcast [06:20] DaSkreech, to whom ? heh [06:20] and then there's more blatant misinformation. what fun. [06:20] DaSkreech, ubuntuos ? yea they have major sound issues [06:21] No they have major presentation issues [06:21] If they got MJ's studio I'd still not listen to them [06:21] true but this isnt the place ;) feel free to stop by #buntudot and lets leave this chan for the "dev stuff" [06:21] ;) [06:22] Well.. a radio station would be developing the world of kubuntu :) [06:22] ;) [06:23] speaking of which [06:23] bddebian: ping? [06:23] Yes === Hobbsee uploads kvdr. [06:24] bddebian: want to upload kvdr for me please? [06:25] any canonical employees in here alive ? [06:25] got just a quick stupid question really [06:25] You mean Riddell? [06:25] imbrandon: try u-devel. what's the question? [06:26] Hobbsee, about the commercial repos , yea u-d might be better [06:26] DaSkreech, any one not just Ridd*ell [06:26] Riddell: certainly wont be awake yet [06:26] Isn't he the only employee? [06:27] DaSkreech: from kubuntu side, yeah [06:27] right [06:27] Hobbsee: Where is it? [06:27] bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2657 [06:29] Oh I wanted to ask. What's the policy of people who are helping in the main chan then get idiotic/abusize/mean/ towards people? [06:30] DaSkreech: ? [06:30] abusive whoops [06:30] Who is abusive/mean, etc? The channel folks? [06:30] DaSkreech: where in particular are you meaning? [06:30] Yes [06:30] #kubunut [06:31] #kubuntu [06:31] Oh, I thought you meant #u-devel ;-P [06:31] Oh right that's a main channel :) [06:32] imbrandon: it's always better to actually ask your question, you know - not ask to ask. [06:32] !ask [06:32] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [06:33] Hmm wonder where I've heard that before [06:33] Hobbsee: Uploaded [06:33] So is there a policy on that? [06:34] bddebian: thanks :) [06:35] DaSkreech: i think the idea is "just poke an op about it, and they deal with it as they see fit" currently [06:35] Hmm OK. That kind of bugs me [06:35] Right now I just step in and steal away the person looking for help [06:36] DaSkreech: well, anyone has the power to tell them to stop, ec [06:36] etc [06:36] If the "helper" is just being ignorant I'll thwap them or if they are being mean I'll tell them to stop [06:36] but I've seen at least two people chain "helping" [06:37] Damnit, I want to respond to madducks comments [06:37] DaSkreech: chain helping? [06:37] DaSkreech: --> #ubuntu-ops [06:37] No chain "helping" [06:38] as soon as someone comes in and asks for help they jump in and start guiding the person [06:38] ah right [06:38] If in a) 15 minutes or b) two tries the person doesn't get the problem fixed they start telling them they are too dumb to use Linux or they can go stuff themselves [06:39] so they are trying to help but not trying to get the problem fixed [06:39] so it seems a bit harsh to call ops on them but then they are very much not helping matters [06:40] more or less the kind of folks who think that cause they are using Linux they are 2_31337 and that the more people they help the more they dilute how cool they can be [06:40] (arm chair pysch diagnosis) [06:41] DaSkreech: that is true. there arent a lot of people watching that channel, i'm afraid [06:42] I picked that up === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54] Since she brought up artwork ... Why was the degenerating usplash taken out? [06:54] I liked it [06:55] DaSkreech: it's not there? [06:56] No It builds up [06:56] oh [06:56] no idea [06:56] Oh wait :) When you boot up the progress bar on the usplash goes up [06:56] During the beta when you shout down it would run backwards from 100% to 0% then shutdown I loved it [06:57] now when you shutdown it runs from 0% up to 100% and shutsdown :-( Much less qute :-( [06:58] DaSkreech: yes, but does it work all the time now? [06:58] Oh you mean running up? [06:58] I don't know I hardly ever shut down properly [06:58] yea [06:59] it does work when I see it though :) [07:00] i suspect that's why it swiched directions... === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.95.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:02] alright I'll live with that.. as long as there is still an attempt to get it to reverse. That's just really cool :) [07:04] DaSkreech: Riddell stopped working on that, and did ubiquity. [07:04] Oh it was Riddell working on it? remind me to ping him to see if he needed help on that [07:05] Wonder why it was stopped in Ubuntu as well. Maybe I can track the usplash person there as well [07:05] DaSkreech: yes. and he likely does. i'm assuming it's untouched for the moment [07:05] I'll do the same [07:06] DaSkreech, uspash is al changed for edgy, its full screen now and soem thoer things [07:06] does it roll backwards? [07:07] DaSkreech, its a test screen atm [07:07] imbrandon: oh is it? nice! [07:07] DaSkreech, look at the vmware in the middle http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png [07:09] ok 12:00 time to test out the new bed [07:09] heh [07:10] heh, nice [07:10] night DaSkreech [07:13] i really should install edgy. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:15] good, this will sync too. === Hobbsee raises an eyebrow at raphink [07:25] raphink: just approve the thing? === DaSkreech sees Hobbsee's eyebrow and raises his expectations [07:26] heh === raphink updates edgy-pbuilder === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.95.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:26] raphink: debian stole ubuntu's patch for a bug, therefore it's a straight sync :) [07:27] I'm not sure "stole" is a proper word in open-source [07:27] "merged" might be better [07:27] raphink: it was in debian's changelog :P i know [07:28] stole was in the change log? [07:28] DaSkreech: yep [07:28] oh right [07:29] * Start cnid_metad when requested by user. (Patch stolen from Ubuntu.) [07:29] + debian/netatalk.init: Run cnid_metad. [07:29] + Closes: #308828 "cnid_metad doesn't run on startup" [07:29] raphink: yeah === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:29] ffunny word in this context ;s [07:29] true [07:34] ok 12:30 really should find out about that new bed === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.167] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pounk [n=pounkf@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:53] hi Lure_ [07:53] hi Hobbsee [07:53] how are you doing? [07:54] busy at work - three days before vacation, so lots of last-minute things to do... ;-) [07:56] Lure_: ah fun :) [07:56] !info powersave edgy [07:56] Package powersave does not exist in edgy [07:56] !info kpowersave edgy [07:57] kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 3199 kB, installed size 4924 kB [07:57] right [07:57] !info powersaved [07:57] powersaved: power management daemon. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.12.15-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 376 kB, installed size 1852 kB [07:57] good, so they wont be affected by UVF [07:57] Hobbsee: yes, it looks like === Hobbsee can just not think about them for a long time then. === Lure hopes somebody will work on network manager (0.6.2-0ubuntu7 vs 0.6.3-2) [08:00] Lure: it's assigned to you? [08:00] Hobbsee: no, to Keybuk, but I am sure he is busy man these days... [08:00] Lure: that's true. [08:02] Lure: now that looks very scary. [08:06] Hobbsee: I can imagine [08:06] Lure: i just checked the .patch files created by MoM from it. although a lot looks duplicated === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] oh dear, i think this is going to bail. [08:50] 20mb orig.tar.gz.... === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:10] oh wow! it went through! === tvo_ [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee applies for MOTU. === imbrandon cheers Hobbsee on [09:43] hehe === Hobbsee is off to work. === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu1 [n=zorglu@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mikix [n=mikix@AOrleans-152-1-2-106.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu1 [n=zorglu@73.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.59] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9509CCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.198] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-164-237.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntutaotao [n=kubuntut@60.26.177.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-241-166.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] there's something in your eyes, flowing them over, stealing all the harmony which lives in me, your hands are covering my tears [01:24] there's a sort of inner dance, trying to seduce me, feeling this anomaly which takes me [01:24] Lacuna Coil -- Aeon === mikix [n=mikix@AOrleans-152-1-2-106.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:28] Hi mornfall [01:28] hi :-) [01:28] waza [01:29] The German upstream KDE translation team pointed my to this bug: [01:29] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/47181 [01:29] Malone bug 47181 in ept "localisation support in adept tools conpletly broken" [Medium,Unconfirmed] [01:29] what a great bugreport [01:29] Is this an issue of adept or rosetta? [01:29] i have no idea, really [01:30] Do you use gettext for all strings? [01:30] i do [01:30] well [01:30] kde locale thingy [01:33] I am not familiar with this. [01:34] it's just gettext. mostly. [01:35] forked gettext, too [01:35] The German translation is at 100% in Rosetta, but there are still a lot of untranslated strings [01:35] probably doesn't like to load libept mo [01:35] since it's statically linked now [01:35] that could be the problem, actually [01:36] Fixable? [01:37] Or to invasive for dapper-updates? [01:39] i am off. [01:39] bye === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:43] Riddell: hi, too :) [01:43] Riddell: what's up with freetype in 6.06? :\ [01:44] hi mornfall, nice holiday? [01:44] yeah, quite :) [01:44] I don't know, should work [01:44] the fonts totally blow after a livecd install on an lcd [01:45] no amount of fiddling with AA settings in fonts kcm helps [01:46] I've not heard of any other complaints about it [01:46] worked for me [01:47] (After spending a few days trying to get both my TFTs to work. Kguidance just seems to screw up my xorg.conf file with all sorts of crap that I don't think it needs.) [01:48] well, together with no libsdl on the cd, that thing caused kubunutu to lose against windows on my father's desktop (which is lame) [01:48] it *could* be evil dpi setting, but i doubt it [01:48] I wonder why it can't say "option twinview 1" when it sees I have an nvidia card. [01:49] Instead it goes on defining multiple monitors and screens. [01:51] Riddell, got time to look at and advocate a revu upload so i can get my required 2 people ? ( 0 linda and lithan error excpt it dosent like the distro "edgy" but thats normal ) [01:52] imbrandon: sure [01:52] cool , http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2661 === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] moins kwwii === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] howdy imbrandon [01:59] so mornfall, it would be nice if you could post a small comment on launchpad about the state and if it will be fixable for dapper [02:00] fixable probably, fixed, well, i am tight on schedules for edgy already [02:01] kwwii, because the backend is done, I would be grateful if you could send me what have you done by now ^_^ Or at least the shoots, so I could make a GTK one [02:07] imbrandon: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2661 [02:08] ok [02:08] thanks [02:08] mornfall: your specs got approved while you were away [02:08] mornfall: which means you need to decide if you want to do adept as a bounty or not [02:09] seaLne: how are you getting to lugradio? === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] Riddell: seen my mail? [02:13] Lure: yep, it's next on my todo to look at [02:14] after reading all my other e-mails [02:14] seaLne: do you have xinerama? [02:14] Riddell: ok, no hurry - I will not be able to response at least for next 3 hours... ;-) [02:14] pygi: i can send you something soon [02:14] kwwii, k, thanks [02:14] I'll be unavailable by wednesday, so take your time ^_^ [02:15] cool [02:16] Riddell: right... [02:19] kwwii, and thanks ^_^ [02:19] no prob [02:19] imbrandon, how's nfs doing? :) [02:20] pygi, great , i have my /home dir on it for all my boxes and i can now work at any of my workstations without jugling files ;) [02:20] Riddell: in someone's (full) car, no xinerama [02:20] imbrandon, :) === My8os [n=My8os@ppp142-69.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-45-164.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] Riddell, i got everthing changed but the debhelper , should i not change that even though it complains on build that anything before 4 is deprecated and lithan complains also ? ( just wondering before i reupload ) [02:31] imbrandon: in my opinion it's not worth the hassle of getting out of sync with upstream, but if you'd rather improve the packaging that's up to you but please send improvements back upstream [02:31] ok, and yea i plan to send all changes back to upstream [02:32] ( the reason i changed it to 5 to begin with is crimsun sugested it on my first upload ) heh [02:32] :) [02:32] however you wish then === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] hi all [02:34] morning Hobbsee [02:34] hey Riddell! === Hobbsee wasnt expecting you to say hello. [02:35] Riddell: uh oh, what's with komba2? [02:35] Hobbsee: it didn't compile because kde didn't install, I'm using it as a test to see if kde will install now :) [02:35] which it should [02:35] Riddell: ah right, yes. === Hobbsee can cope with hearing error messages like that. [02:39] heya Hobbsee [02:39] hi imbrandon === Hobbsee looks at these strange emails. [02:40] oh yeah, right, they're just saying that stuff i requested syncs for which are new made it into the archive. excellent. === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] hi jjesse [02:41] morning Hobbsee [02:41] morning jjesse [02:41] morning Riddell [02:41] i thought that having packages waiting in dep-wait was annoying and bad. odd. [02:42] Riddell: what's the protocol for going for MOTU? do you have to have an update wiki page and all that? === Hobbsee hasnt found a guide on it yet. [02:44] Riddell, all fixed up ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2663 [02:44] heya jjesse [02:44] (three merges to go! yay! [02:44] ) === Hobbsee wonders who's to steal next. [02:45] Hobbsee, you can help me figure out the ftbs on helix-player ;) [02:45] lol [02:45] imbrandon: got no idea about that :P === Hobbsee thinks the makefile is failing, although it doesnt explicitly error out, stopping the pbuilder. [02:45] me either i'm gonna ping crim*sun or someone about it later [02:45] yea its some py voodoo i think [02:45] dunno [02:46] lol [02:47] Hobbsee: yes, up to date wiki page and bring along supporters who have reviewed/uploaded your stuff and can say how good your packages are [02:47] Riddell: right, okay. [02:47] hehe - there are plenty of those around :P [02:47] Riddell: you want to testify? [02:48] sure === Hobbsee will ask people like Riddell, zakame, raphink, bddebian, dholbach...who else have i bugged recently? [02:48] when is the meeting? [02:48] oh, stevenk and ajmitch, of course [02:48] Riddell: 19th or so? [02:48] our 18th, ok [02:49] it's 6am, which means i'll likely be veyr very zoned out, unfortunately - please tell them that that's normal for that hour of the day, adn that i really can hold a conversation :P [02:49] heh pre type everything ;) [02:49] imbrandon: i'll have to check the logs to see what they ask (eek!) [02:50] btw gl Hobbsee i'm sure you'll do well [02:50] hehe [02:50] ;) === Hobbsee keeps getting told she should be a MOTU [02:50] oh yeah, and glo...something. [02:56] hrm , time for food, Riddell please ping me if you see any other errors in that new upload , i am 99% sure i took care of all the comments bbiab === Hobbsee looks for interesting merges. === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] [23:09] Hobbsee, have you ever seen KDE apps installing documentation in /usr/share/doc/HTML (I guess not but I want to be sure)? [03:10] Hobbsee: by default KDE will do that but in Debian/Ubuntu it should be /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/ [03:17] Riddell: thanks. [03:18] Riddell: out of curiousity, and i know this should probably wait till a meeting, but what would the effect of getting rid of most of the kubuntu changes to konqueror be? [03:20] oh no! i shouldnt have updated my pbuilder again. === mornfall must have missed something [03:20] what kubuntu changes to konq? [03:20] no, wait, it's okay [03:20] mornfall: the ones about multiple profiles, etc. remove the konquerorrc stuff, and it's heaps different! [03:20] mornfall: and a lot of users complain about it [03:21] what multiple profiles [03:21] the stripped-down toolbar is fine [03:21] any other intrusive changes? === imbrandon__ [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders which imbrandon__ is trying to be here. === imbrandon__ does know the anwser either === imbrandon__ has inet problems atm [03:23] imbrandon__: do you sleep :) [03:23] Hobbsee: for adding back profiles you should argue with tonio. what other changes do you want reverted? [03:24] jsgotangco, yea its almost my bedtime now ;) [03:24] jsgotangco: he lives in my timezone, and he's on the other side of the world [03:24] Riddell: fair enough. i'm only starting to play around with it now. [03:24] Riddell: i'm more wondering if it's a "this is set in stone kubuntu change" or "this could be changed, if we had good rationale for it" [03:25] heh [03:25] Hobbsee: nothing is set in stone === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.198] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:26] Riddell: okay. even a startup wizard for konv? [03:26] heh Hobbsee i forgot about those questions till i got the notice [03:26] ;) [03:26] imbrandon__: heh [03:26] startup wizards are evil [03:27] Riddell: unless they're actually necessary, yes. [03:27] Riddell, yea what about a "first run wizzard" for konv, Sho_ and company are wanting to make it manditory and honestly looks like for good reason ( no sane defaults ) [03:28] Riddell: for stuff like kopete/konvi, you kinda have to have them - because as much as you can configure an app, or a desktop, you cant configure someone's networks they want to connect to at startup, you cant configure their instant messenger accounts, etc [03:28] unless we can change some of the defaults for konv ( that would be better imho ) === Hobbsee sighs. [03:28] becouse of user/pass and other personal account info needed to realy be usefull , unlike something like amarok that can run and never care whom you are === Hobbsee definetly shouldnt have updated her pbuilder. [03:30] heh Hobbsee i've been saything that for two days now [03:30]