[03:14] <linuxmonkey> anyone here?
[03:17] <bddebian> No one that knows anything about the commercial repo :-)
[03:17] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:17] <linuxmonkey> yeah no one seams to know
[03:19] <jsgotangco> there was a bug about opera not being available for PPC
[03:20] <jsgotangco> glatzor said its the fault of g-a-i not knowing
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i dunno how to translate that in adept terms though
[03:20] <jsgotangco> probably the binaries are not yet in the archive
[03:20] <linuxmonkey> could be
[03:20] <linuxmonkey> oh well ill leave the wiki page as i edited for now
[03:21] <jsgotangco> it looks great
[03:22] <linuxmonkey> did you see it?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:49] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :)
[03:52] <nixternal> konversation .20 nightly has issues
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what issues?
[03:52] <nixternal> it keeps bootin' me from the network..plus the timers don't work
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm suspecting what you had before was a config files issue - if you removed all config files for konversatoin, does it still happen?
[03:53] <nixternal> yup
[03:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's weird.  havent seen that.
[03:53] <nixternal> i watched teh lag count to 180s which is dcc timeout...30 seconds is my regular timeout
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: tell them in #konversation if sho_'s around
[03:54] <nixternal> cool Hobbsee..appreciate that
[03:55] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi linuxmonkey 
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh yes, merge kvdr, install edgy, and work a bit with *powersave, if lure didnt touch it.
[03:58] <linuxmonkey> hi
[03:58] <nixternal> nalioth is telling me to use kvirc
[03:58] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:58] <nixternal> i had to make sure that it wasn't a dcc attack Hobbsee, because i am on port 8001, but it was a dcc timeout
[03:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hello :)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[05:37] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: hi
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Legos!!!
[05:38] <imbrandon> heya DaSkreech
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> whee!  chroots are fun :)
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah 
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I'm still trying to figure out why though
[05:45] <DaSkreech> They have this strange giddy feeling about them
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:45] <Hobbsee> MOM's wokring agian, which is good.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> This module contains unreleased software.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> The software may compile and work, but it may just
[05:46] <Hobbsee> as well neither compile nor work.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> interesting....
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Is that MOM the organization or MOM the hovering parental figure?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: merge-o-matic
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Ah :-)
[05:51] <bddebian> hehe
[05:51] <freeflying> moin all
[05:52] <bddebian> Hello freeflying
[05:52] <freeflying> bddebian: hey
[05:55] <robotgeek> hello freeflying bddebian 
[05:55] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek, freeflying 
[05:55] <freeflying> robotgeek: hi, so long haven't seen you  :)
[05:55] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[05:56] <robotgeek> hey Hobbsee 
[05:56] <robotgeek> yes. long time, been busy
[05:56] <robotgeek> hoping to be back to linux by time we need edgy documentation :)
[05:56] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: we need documentation now - a lot is so old :P
[05:57] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: you're with windows or something?  eek
[05:57] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: no windows yet
[05:57] <robotgeek> tried os x for about a week. i'm going back to kde
[05:57] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: hehe
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Why is that linked to !mount?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Did you try quicksilver?
[06:01] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: i used quicksilver about 1.5 years ago, it is very nice
[06:01] <robotgeek> i stuck to spotlight this time
[06:01] <freeflying> robotgeek: maybe you can try kde4 under osx now
[06:01] <DaSkreech> You can?
[06:01] <robotgeek> freeflying: hmm, cool thought
[06:02] <robotgeek> amarok totally owns itunes :)
[06:02] <freeflying> the d-bus stuff seems solved now, so kdelibs can be built now
[06:03] <robotgeek> freeflying: is this native or under x11?
[06:03] <freeflying> robotgeek: native
[06:03] <bddebian> Hi robotgeek
[06:03] <freeflying> so it's worth trying
[06:03] <robotgeek> oh, that is cool
[06:03] <DaSkreech> is dcop still going to be around or is everything d-bus now?
[06:04] <freeflying> DaSkreech: all d-bus now
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Cool :-)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> More power for linux :)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> so we wont have to do removal foo when copying over /home to make sure that kde still will login.  nice.
[06:08] <robotgeek> kubuntu fresh install served up :)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211960
[06:13] <Hobbsee> i'm glad *someone* has figured it out.
[06:13] <robotgeek> lol
[06:14] <imbrandon> heh yea, the few bright ones ;)
[06:14] <bddebian> heh
[06:15] <imbrandon> i should really visit the forums more, i havent even read a post  ( other than those Hobbsee pokes me about ) in month
[06:15] <imbrandon> s
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:16] <imbrandon> i just feel so "dirty" after reaading them becosue there is so much misinformation
[06:16] <imbrandon> heh
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Speaking of that
[06:17] <DaSkreech> http://blog.madduck.net/debian/2006.05.24-ubuntu-and-debian
[06:17] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, there is a long thread on the ml about that post
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Did you see the tech republic one?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> I'd rather not bandy that around but I've lost all interest in that site
[06:18] <imbrandon> yea i "try" to keep up with the news becouse of buntudot ;)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Ah yeah I should listen to the podcast again :)
[06:18] <imbrandon> podcast 2 was posted a few days ago
[06:18] <DaSkreech> It sould be nice if we had an official (k)ubuntu radio station
[06:19] <DaSkreech> I know I should listen to it again :)
[06:19] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, /me is working twords that
[06:19] <imbrandon> hehe Hobbsee
[06:19] <imbrandon> i just include my @kubuntu.org email and let them think what they wish 
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Course would be nice if someone would donate a decent microphone
[06:20] <DaSkreech> As long as it's not to that "other" podcast
[06:20] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, to whom ? heh
[06:20] <Hobbsee> and then there's more blatant misinformation.  what fun.
[06:20] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, ubuntuos ? yea they have major sound issues
[06:21] <DaSkreech> No they have major presentation issues
[06:21] <DaSkreech> If they got MJ's studio I'd still not listen to them
[06:21] <imbrandon> true but this isnt the place ;) feel free to stop by #buntudot and lets leave this chan for the "dev stuff"
[06:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Well.. a radio station would be developing the world of kubuntu :)
[06:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> speaking of which
[06:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ping?
[06:23] <bddebian> Yes
[06:24] <Hobbsee> bddebian: want to upload kvdr for me please?
[06:25] <imbrandon> any canonical employees in here alive ?
[06:25] <imbrandon> got just a quick stupid question really
[06:25] <DaSkreech> You mean Riddell?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: try u-devel.  what's the question?
[06:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, about the commercial repos , yea u-d might be better
[06:26] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, any one not just Ridd*ell
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: certainly wont be awake yet
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Isn't he the only employee?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: from kubuntu side, yeah
[06:27] <DaSkreech> right
[06:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Where is it?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2657
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Oh I wanted to ask. What's the policy of people who are helping in the main chan then get idiotic/abusize/mean/ towards people?
[06:30] <bddebian> DaSkreech: ?
[06:30] <DaSkreech> abusive whoops
[06:30] <bddebian> Who is abusive/mean, etc?  The channel folks?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: where in particular are you meaning?
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:30] <DaSkreech> #kubunut
[06:31] <DaSkreech> #kubuntu
[06:31] <bddebian> Oh, I thought you meant #u-devel ;-P
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Oh right that's a main channel :)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's always better to actually ask your question, you know - not ask to ask.
[06:32] <DaSkreech> !ask
[06:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Hmm wonder where I've heard that before
[06:33] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Uploaded
[06:33] <DaSkreech> So is there a policy on that?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> bddebian: thanks :)
[06:35] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i think the idea is "just poke an op about it, and they deal with it as they see fit" currently
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Hmm OK. That kind of bugs me
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Right now I just step in and steal away the person looking for help
[06:36] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: well, anyone has the power to tell them to stop, ec
[06:36] <Hobbsee> etc
[06:36] <DaSkreech> If the "helper" is just being ignorant I'll thwap them or if they are being mean I'll tell them to stop
[06:36] <DaSkreech> but I've seen at least two people chain "helping"
[06:37] <bddebian> Damnit, I want to respond to madducks comments
[06:37] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: chain helping?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: --> #ubuntu-ops
[06:37] <DaSkreech> No chain "helping"
[06:38] <DaSkreech> as soon as someone comes in and asks for help they jump in and start guiding the person
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:38] <DaSkreech> If in a) 15 minutes or b) two tries the person doesn't get the problem fixed they start telling them they are too dumb to use Linux or they can go stuff themselves
[06:39] <DaSkreech> so they are trying to help but not trying to get the problem fixed
[06:39] <DaSkreech> so it seems a bit harsh to call ops on them but then they are very much not helping matters
[06:40] <DaSkreech> more or less the kind of folks who think that cause they are using Linux they are 2_31337 and that the more people they help the more they dilute how cool they can be
[06:40] <DaSkreech> (arm chair pysch diagnosis)
[06:41] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: that is true.  there arent a lot of people watching that channel, i'm afraid
[06:42] <DaSkreech> I picked that up
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Since she brought up artwork ... Why was the degenerating usplash taken out?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> I liked it
[06:55] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's not there?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> No It builds up 
[06:56] <Hobbsee> oh
[06:56] <Hobbsee> no idea
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Oh wait :) When you boot up the progress bar on the usplash goes up 
[06:56] <DaSkreech> During the beta when you shout down it would run backwards from 100% to 0% then shutdown I loved it
[06:57] <DaSkreech> now when you shutdown it runs from 0% up to 100% and shutsdown :-( Much less qute :-(
[06:58] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, but does it work all the time now?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Oh you mean running up?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> I don't know I hardly ever shut down properly
[06:58] <Hobbsee> yea
[06:59] <DaSkreech> it does work when I see it though :)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> i suspect that's why it swiched directions...
[07:02] <DaSkreech> alright I'll live with that.. as long as there is still an attempt to get it to reverse. That's just really cool :)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: Riddell stopped working on that, and did ubiquity.  
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Oh it was Riddell working on it? remind me to ping him to see if he needed help on that
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Wonder why it was stopped in Ubuntu as well. Maybe I can track the usplash person there as well
[07:05] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes.  and he likely does.  i'm assuming it's untouched for the moment
[07:05] <DaSkreech> I'll do the same
[07:06] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, uspash is al changed for edgy, its full screen now and soem thoer things
[07:06] <DaSkreech> does it roll backwards?
[07:07] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, its a test screen atm
[07:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh is it?  nice!
[07:07] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, look at the vmware in the middle http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/screenshots/edgy1.png
[07:09] <DaSkreech> ok 12:00 time to test out the new bed
[07:09] <imbrandon> heh
[07:10] <Hobbsee> heh, nice
[07:10] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[07:13] <Hobbsee> i really should install edgy.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> good, this will sync too.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> raphink: just approve the thing?
[07:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:26] <Hobbsee> raphink: debian stole ubuntu's patch for a bug, therefore it's a straight sync :)
[07:27] <raphink> I'm not sure "stole" is a proper word in open-source
[07:27] <raphink> "merged" might be better 
[07:27] <Hobbsee> raphink: it was in debian's changelog :P   i know
[07:28] <DaSkreech> stole was in the change log?
[07:28] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yep
[07:28] <raphink> oh right
[07:29] <raphink>   * Start cnid_metad when requested by user. (Patch stolen from Ubuntu.)
[07:29] <raphink>     + debian/netatalk.init: Run cnid_metad.
[07:29] <raphink>     + Closes: #308828 "cnid_metad doesn't run on startup"
[07:29] <Hobbsee> raphink: yeah
[07:29] <raphink> ffunny word in this context ;s
[07:29] <Hobbsee> true
[07:34] <DaSkreech> ok 12:30 really should find out about that new bed
[07:53] <Hobbsee> hi Lure_ 
[07:53] <Lure_> hi Hobbsee
[07:53] <Hobbsee> how are you doing?
[07:54] <Lure_> busy at work - three days before vacation, so lots of last-minute things to do... ;-)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Lure_: ah fun :)
[07:56] <Hobbsee> !info powersave edgy
[07:56] <ubotu> Package powersave does not exist in edgy
[07:56] <Hobbsee> !info kpowersave edgy
[07:57] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 3199 kB, installed size 4924 kB
[07:57] <Hobbsee> right
[07:57] <Lure> !info powersaved
[07:57] <ubotu> powersaved: power management daemon. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.12.15-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 376 kB, installed size 1852 kB
[07:57] <Hobbsee> good, so they wont be affected by UVF
[07:57] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, it looks like
[08:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's assigned to you?
[08:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: no, to Keybuk, but I am sure he is busy man these days...
[08:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: that's true.
[08:02] <Hobbsee> Lure: now that looks very scary.
[08:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: I can imagine 
[08:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: i just checked the .patch files created by MoM from it.  although a lot looks duplicated
[08:50] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i think this is going to bail.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> 20mb orig.tar.gz....
[09:10] <Hobbsee> oh wow!  it went through!
[09:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:24] <mornfall> there's something in your eyes, flowing them over, stealing all the harmony which lives in me, your hands are covering my tears
[01:24] <mornfall> there's a sort of inner dance, trying to seduce me, feeling this anomaly which takes me
[01:24] <mornfall> Lacuna Coil -- Aeon
[01:28] <glatzor> Hi mornfall
[01:28] <mornfall> hi :-)
[01:28] <mornfall> waza
[01:29] <glatzor> The German upstream KDE translation team pointed my to this bug:
[01:29] <glatzor> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+bug/47181
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "localisation support in adept tools conpletly broken" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[01:29] <mornfall> what a great bugreport
[01:29] <glatzor> Is this an issue of adept or rosetta?
[01:29] <mornfall> i have no idea, really
[01:30] <glatzor> Do you use gettext for all strings?
[01:30] <mornfall> i do
[01:30] <mornfall> well
[01:30] <mornfall> kde locale thingy
[01:33] <glatzor> I am not familiar with this.
[01:34] <Riddell> it's just gettext. mostly.
[01:35] <mornfall> forked gettext, too
[01:35] <glatzor> The German translation is at 100% in Rosetta, but there are still a lot of untranslated strings
[01:35] <mornfall> probably doesn't like to load libept mo
[01:35] <mornfall> since it's statically linked now
[01:35] <mornfall> that could be the problem, actually
[01:36] <glatzor> Fixable?
[01:37] <glatzor> Or to invasive for dapper-updates?
[01:39] <glatzor> i am off.
[01:39] <glatzor> bye
[01:43] <mornfall> Riddell: hi, too :)
[01:43] <mornfall> Riddell: what's up with freetype in 6.06? :\
[01:44] <Riddell> hi mornfall, nice holiday?
[01:44] <mornfall> yeah, quite :)
[01:44] <Riddell> I don't know, should work
[01:44] <mornfall> the fonts totally blow after a livecd install on an lcd
[01:45] <mornfall> no amount of fiddling with AA settings in fonts kcm helps
[01:46] <Riddell> I've not heard of any other complaints about it
[01:46] <omeow> worked for me
[01:47] <omeow> (After spending a few days trying to get both my TFTs to work. Kguidance just seems to screw up my xorg.conf file with all sorts of crap that I don't think it needs.)
[01:48] <mornfall> well, together with no libsdl on the cd, that thing caused kubunutu to lose against windows on my father's desktop (which is lame)
[01:48] <mornfall> it *could* be evil dpi setting, but i doubt it
[01:48] <omeow> I wonder why it can't say "option twinview 1" when it sees I have an nvidia card.
[01:49] <omeow> Instead it goes on defining multiple monitors and screens.
[01:51] <imbrandon> Riddell, got time to look at and advocate a revu upload so i can get my required 2 people ? ( 0 linda and lithan error excpt it dosent like the distro "edgy" but thats normal )
[01:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[01:52] <imbrandon> cool , http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2661
[01:58] <imbrandon> moins kwwii 
[01:58] <kwwii> howdy imbrandon
[01:59] <glatzor> so mornfall, it would be nice if you could post a small comment on launchpad about the state and if it will be fixable for dapper
[02:00] <mornfall> fixable probably, fixed, well, i am tight on schedules for edgy already
[02:01] <pygi> kwwii, because the backend is done, I would be grateful if you could send me what have you done by now ^_^ Or at least the shoots, so I could make a GTK one 
[02:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: see comments http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2661
[02:08] <imbrandon> ok
[02:08] <imbrandon> thanks
[02:08] <Riddell> mornfall: your specs got approved while you were away
[02:08] <Riddell> mornfall: which means you need to decide if you want to do adept as a bounty or not
[02:09] <Riddell> seaLne: how are you getting to lugradio?
[02:13] <Lure> Riddell: seen my mail?
[02:13] <Riddell> Lure: yep, it's next on my todo to look at
[02:14] <Riddell> after reading all my other e-mails
[02:14] <Riddell> seaLne: do you have xinerama?
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: ok, no hurry - I will not be able to response at least for next 3 hours... ;-)
[02:14] <kwwii> pygi: i can send you something soon
[02:14] <pygi> kwwii, k, thanks
[02:14] <pygi> I'll be unavailable by wednesday, so take your time ^_^
[02:15] <kwwii> cool
[02:16] <mornfall> Riddell: right...
[02:19] <pygi> kwwii, and thanks ^_^
[02:19] <kwwii> no prob
[02:19] <pygi> imbrandon, how's nfs doing? :)
[02:20] <imbrandon> pygi, great , i have my /home dir on it for all my boxes and i can now work at any of my workstations without jugling files ;)
[02:20] <seaLne> Riddell: in someone's (full) car, no xinerama
[02:20] <pygi> imbrandon, :)
[02:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, i got everthing changed but the debhelper , should i not change that even though it complains on build that anything before 4 is deprecated and lithan complains also ? ( just wondering before i reupload )
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: in my opinion it's not worth the hassle of getting out of sync with upstream, but if you'd rather improve the packaging that's up to you but please send improvements back upstream 
[02:31] <imbrandon> ok, and yea i plan to send all changes back to upstream
[02:32] <imbrandon> ( the reason i changed it to 5 to begin with is crimsun sugested it on my first upload ) heh
[02:32] <Riddell> :)
[02:32] <Riddell> however you wish then
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:34] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: uh oh, what's with komba2?
[02:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it didn't compile because kde didn't install, I'm using it as a test to see if kde will install now :)
[02:35] <Riddell> which it should
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right, yes.
[02:39] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, right, they're just saying that stuff i requested syncs for which are new made it into the archive.  excellent.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[02:41] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[02:41] <Riddell> morning jjesse 
[02:41] <jjesse> morning Riddell
[02:41] <Hobbsee> i thought that having packages waiting in dep-wait was annoying and bad.  odd.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the protocol for going for MOTU?  do you have to have an update wiki page and all that?
[02:44] <imbrandon> Riddell, all fixed up ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2663
[02:44] <imbrandon> heya jjesse 
[02:44] <Hobbsee> (three merges to go!  yay!
[02:44] <Hobbsee> )
[02:45] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you can help me figure out the ftbs on helix-player ;)
[02:45] <imbrandon> lol
[02:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: got no idea about that :P
[02:45] <imbrandon> me either i'm gonna ping crim*sun or someone about it later
[02:45] <imbrandon> yea its some py voodoo i think
[02:45] <imbrandon> dunno
[02:46] <imbrandon> lol
[02:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, up to date wiki page and bring along supporters who have reviewed/uploaded your stuff and can say how good your packages are
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, okay.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> hehe - there are plenty of those around :P
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you want to testify?
[02:48] <Riddell> sure
[02:48] <Riddell> when is the meeting?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> oh, stevenk and ajmitch, of course
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: 19th or so?
[02:48] <Riddell> our 18th, ok
[02:49] <Hobbsee> it's 6am, which means i'll likely be veyr very zoned out, unfortunately - please tell them that that's normal for that hour of the day, adn that i really can hold a conversation :P
[02:49] <imbrandon> heh pre type everything ;)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'll have to check the logs to see what they ask (eek!)
[02:50] <imbrandon> btw gl Hobbsee i'm sure you'll do well
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and glo...something.
[02:56] <imbrandon> hrm , time for food, Riddell  please ping me if you see any other errors in that new upload , i am 99% sure i took care of all the comments bbiab
[03:09] <Hobbsee> [23:09]  <Gloubiboulga_> Hobbsee, have you ever seen KDE apps installing documentation in /usr/share/doc/HTML (I guess not but I want to be sure)?
[03:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: by default KDE will do that but in Debian/Ubuntu it should be /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: out of curiousity, and i know this should probably wait till a meeting, but what would the effect of getting rid of most of the kubuntu changes to konqueror be?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> oh no!  i shouldnt have updated my pbuilder again.
[03:20] <mornfall> what kubuntu changes to konq?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> no, wait, it's okay
[03:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall: the ones about multiple profiles, etc.  remove the konquerorrc stuff, and it's heaps different!
[03:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall: and a lot of users complain about it
[03:21] <mornfall> what multiple profiles
[03:21] <mornfall> the stripped-down toolbar is fine
[03:21] <mornfall> any other intrusive changes?
[03:23] <jsgotangco> imbrandon__: do you sleep :)
[03:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: for adding back profiles you should argue with tonio.  what other changes do you want reverted?
[03:24] <imbrandon__> jsgotangco, yea its almost my bedtime now ;)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: he lives in my timezone, and he's on the other side of the world
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fair enough.  i'm only starting to play around with it now.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm more wondering if it's a "this is set in stone kubuntu change" or "this could be changed, if we had good rationale for it"
[03:25] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nothing is set in stone
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay.  even a startup wizard for konv?
[03:26] <imbrandon__> heh Hobbsee i forgot about those questions till i got the notice
[03:26] <imbrandon__> ;)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon__: heh
[03:26] <Riddell> startup wizards are evil
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: unless they're actually necessary, yes.
[03:27] <imbrandon__> Riddell, yea what about a "first run wizzard" for konv, Sho_ and company are wanting to make it manditory and honestly looks like for good reason ( no sane defaults )
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for stuff like kopete/konvi, you kinda have to have them - because as much as you can configure an app, or a desktop, you cant configure someone's networks they want to connect to at startup, you cant configure their instant messenger accounts, etc
[03:28] <imbrandon__> unless we can change some of the defaults for konv ( that would be better imho )
[03:28] <imbrandon__> becouse of user/pass and other personal account info needed to realy be usefull , unlike something like amarok that can run and never care whom you are
[03:30] <imbrandon__> heh Hobbsee i've been saything that for two days now
[03:30] <Riddell> imbrandon__: what's wrong with the current first run konversation dialogue?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon__: it was working properly a couple of days ago.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's being rewritten.
[03:30] <imbrandon__> Riddell, it wont be there much longer
[03:31] <Riddell> so long as the replacement is easier to use that's all good
[03:31] <imbrandon__> ;)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you do something evil with kdelibs4c2a in edgy?
[03:32] <imbrandon__> Hobbsee, is that pbuilder tar still on the server?
[03:32] <imbrandon__> erm nm it dosent have the base.tgz
[03:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon__: no, the tar was never on the server
[03:33] <imbrandon__> Hobbsee, i meant my server ( but yea it dident have the tgz in it , just the configs )
[03:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon__: yeah
[03:33] <imbrandon__> i was thinking you might be able to restore from htat but oh well, anyhow its bed time for bonzo err imbrandon , gnight all
[03:34] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon__ 
[03:34] <imbrandon__> hahah there go my clones 
[03:34] <imbrandon__> and now here i go 
[03:34] <Hobbsee> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:34] <Hobbsee>   kdelibs-bin: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.2) but it is not going to be installed
[03:34] <Hobbsee> root@sarah:/# apt-get install kdelibs4c2a
[03:34] <Hobbsee> kdelibs4c2a is already the newest version.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> and it's less updated than i need it to be.  damn.
[03:46] <Riddell> remember you hvae access to the chroot on my machine if that helps
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that is true :)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's very useful
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:51] <bddebian> Hi *
[03:53] <Hobbsee> okay, ignore what i said w.r.t pbuilder.  kdelibs-bin is still required as a b-d for this page, for some warped reason.
[03:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: page?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: s/page/package
[03:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kdelibs-bin doesn't exist any more
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so i discovered :)  it's a part of kdelibs4c2a now
[03:55] <Riddell> what's the package?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ah, klogic, i'm about to merge it
[03:55] <Riddell> looks like there's a few packages that need their kdelibs-bin dependency removed
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, so i noticed.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh.  i finally put my name up for MOTU.
[03:58] <Riddell> I can upload
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true, but i have to build it first, which means i have to get my pbuilder updated again - looks like the au mirrors are a few days old.
[04:00] <imbrandon> sed -i s/au.//g sources.list ;)
[04:00] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Awesome
[04:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm using two lots of mirrors
[04:00] <Hobbsee> bddebian: want to cheer for me?
[04:01] <bddebian> Of course, when is the next meeting?
[04:01] <imbrandon> run it twice once for the uk. too ;)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> bddebian: 18th or so
[04:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hah
[04:05] <imbrandon> gah Riddell whom do i poke about there not being a ppc deb of realplay 10 on the dapper-commercial repo buth there is a linux ppc realplay 10 intsaller on the real site ?
[04:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: real Inc I'd guess
[04:06] <Riddell> mdy will probably be the Canonical contact
[04:06] <imbrandon> the maintain their own packages on dapper-commercial ?
[04:06] <imbrandon> kk thanks
[04:12] <imbrandon> is mdy ever in ubuntu-devel or should i email him ?
[04:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: he's not, e-mail him
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you prefer debdiffs, rather than source, right?
[04:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: depends what for?
[04:16] <Riddell> updates to existing packages yes
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fixes for kdelibs-bin files
[04:16] <Hobbsee> so yeah
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you upload a package for me please?  and is it advisable to fix "W: klogic source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 3" before upload?
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not if it's not fixed upstream
[04:24] <Riddell> no point diverging from debian needlessly
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i thought.  good.
[04:24] <Riddell> I can upload yes
[04:25] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[04:25] <linuxmonkey> wassup Hobbsee, Riddell, imbrandon
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/klogic/klogic_1.62.orig.tar.gz and when revu processes it, i'll grab you the other link :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hi linuxmonkey!  merging is up!  it's also down and sideways.
[04:26] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how would you like this debdiff?  pastebin?
[04:27] <Riddell> sure
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/232ElK14.html :)  for knemo
[04:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you need to depend on kdelibs4c2a instead
[04:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: and I'd say "merged into" rather than replaced by
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: isnt kdelibs4c2a covered by the shlibs depends of kdelibs4-dev?
[04:34] <Riddell> oh I see, yes
[04:34] <Riddell> sorted, uploading..
[04:34] <Riddell> I thought it was a build-dep
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, so did i, till i couldnt find it in the build-deps :P
[04:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: uploaded, thanks
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[04:35] <Riddell> allee: able to get that patch into debian?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> bleh.  ditto for wlassistant, allee's the maintainer of both.  then we could sync it.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> well, merge it
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2664 for klogic
[04:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's worth fixing in kubuntu though, getting it into debian and back could take some time
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true
[04:37] <Hobbsee> (eek!  scons!)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> and if i do them in the next two days, then i wont have to write reports for the changes!  yay!
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/aqhG6L52.html for uploading
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if your'e not already looking at klogic, i can ask bddebi*an or another MOTU to look at it, without a problem.
[04:50] <Riddell> I am
[04:50] <bddebian> Hobbsee: What's the * for? :-)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> bddebian: to not ping you accidently :P
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah cool :)  didnt want to drown you in work :P
[04:51] <Riddell> oh it's far too late for that
[04:51] <bddebian> heh
[04:51] <bddebian> Hobbsee: It's good for him.  Builds character ;-P
[04:52] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh
[05:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wlassistant and klogic uploaded
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8yyhbD78.html as well :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe nice thankyou :)
[05:01] <Riddell> go go Hobbsee 
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:01] <mornfall> hard decisions, hard decisions :\
[05:02] <seaLne> we just found a 19" TFT at the bottom of our cardboard recycling pile :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell:   libcvsservice0 has a recommendation of kdelibs-bin, yet it doesnt seem to be in the control file.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> seaLne: now that is crazy :P
[05:03] <seaLne> well it was in its cardboard box... :)
[05:03] <mornfall> the sad thing about 19" TFTs is that they are usually 1280x1024
[05:03] <seaLne> yeah but only 10 more that 17"
[05:04] <seaLne> need to go to 20" to get more than 1280x1024
[05:04] <mornfall> you could get a 1600x1200 19" CRT just fine
[05:04] <mornfall> and it would still have vastly superior colour fidelity ;-)
[05:04] <allee> Hobbsee, Riddell: about knemo: is kded now in kdelibs4c2a?  because ...
[05:05] <Riddell> allee: because there was a circular dependency between kdelibs4c2a and kdelibs-bin
[05:05] <mornfall> only slight problem that it takes huge amount of space...
[05:05] <allee>   * Add to depends: kdelibs-bin (contains kded), kicker
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, as i found to my annoyance in my pbuilder.  grumble grumble.
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: qtparted uploaded too, thanks
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[05:06] <allee> Hobbsee: you removed kdelibs-bin from depends: * Remove depends kdelibs-bin (replaced by kdelibs4c2a)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> allee: yes.
[05:06] <Riddell> allee: kdelibs-bin doesn't exist any more
[05:07] <allee> Riddell: oh, time install edgy here!  Is kded now in kdelibs4c2a?
[05:07] <Riddell> allee: yes it is, in Kubuntu and Debian
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdelibs4c2a should not have a dependancy on kdelibs-bin, should it?
[05:08] <allee> ah, okay.  I'll add it to kde-extra knemo repo
[05:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'd say not
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, good
[05:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it has a Provides instead
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for some warped reason, it's still listed in the depends.  go figure :P
[05:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not for me in kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.3-1ubuntu3
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: then why's it showing in rdepends?
[05:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: probably the provides does that
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're right.  and replaces.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> which takes me back to the very interesting question of why libcvsservice0 shows it as a recommends, yet i cant find it in control.
[05:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kdesdk isn't built yet for 3.5.3
[05:15] <Riddell> needs kdepim to be sorted first
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right.  i thought i saw an upload of that
[05:19] <Riddell> I think you're on a roll with kdelibs-bin fixes :)
[05:19] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what, like i was with the dh_iconcaches, where i was pretty much regarded as the queen of them?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you write the documentation - now get writing :P
[05:22] <jjesse> Hobbsee: grin just got done wth an hour long discussion in regards to our Switching From Windows to *ubuntu we are writing for edgy ;)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hehe nice :)
[05:23] <Riddell> jjesse: discussion where?
[05:23] <mornfall> is edgy supposed to be for normal users?
[05:24] <jjesse> Riddell: over private message via irc, working on getting an email out to ubuntu-doc mailing list about what we discussed
[05:24] <jjesse> so we can have further discussion
[05:24] <seaLne> mornfall: only where normal == us :)
[05:24] <mornfall> well, normal users as in outside the community
[05:24] <seaLne> wouldn't have thought so
[05:25] <mornfall> so much for the half-year release cycle :] 
[05:25] <seaLne> its that crappy package manager thats the problem :P
[05:26] <mornfall> where, what/
[05:26] <mornfall> ?
[05:26] <Riddell> mornfall: it will be when it's released ye
[05:26] <Riddell> s
[05:27] <seaLne> oh you didn't mean just now?
[05:27] <mornfall> i obviously mean the release
[05:27] <mornfall> the stuff between doesn't exist for people outside :)
[05:27] <seaLne> well your question didn't appear obvious to me
[05:29] <Riddell> nuff squabbling children
[05:29] <jjesse> but its fun to squabble :)
[05:30] <seaLne> anyone that wasn't in #ubuntu-motu when i asked earlier seen "I have no package to build" when building a package? http://pastebin.ca/84083
[05:31] <Riddell> seaLne: does debian/control exist?
[05:31] <seaLne> yes
[05:32] <seaLne> that was the only suggestion i saw from googleing
[05:32] <seaLne> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2665
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tL0Zwf94.html  :)  toma will get that into debian
[05:34] <Hobbsee> let it be payday!!!!!
[05:34] <Hobbsee> let me be paid NOW!!!!
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Oh I probably shouldn't bring this up
[05:37] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech!
[05:37] <Hobbsee> bring what up?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> http://bash.org/?368808
[05:38] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: grr.
[05:38] <DaSkreech> :-D
[05:38] <Hobbsee> but true.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> actually, that is a pretty funny typo - the first time around :P
[05:39] <DaSkreech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grrr#Sexual_arousal
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know :) I cracked up when I saw it
[05:40] <DaSkreech> So it was on the top of my head :)
[05:40] <Hobbsee> pft.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> @lart DaSkreech 
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hmmm...must be disabled in here
[05:41] <Hobbsee> probably a good thing
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Wahts that?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> dont worry
[05:41] <DaSkreech> >_>
[05:41] <Riddell> seaLne: removing the binary-indep: lines seems to fix it
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Shouildn't payday be Friday?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Hi Riddell
[05:42] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no, payday is tonight.
[05:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:43] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:44] <Hobbsee> and it looks like the supermarket is going to go out of business.  yay?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Gather as much info on the POS as you can 
[05:45] <toma> ola
[05:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: rsibreak uploaded
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hey toma 
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i have more info than i want - they run windows NT server.
[05:45] <seaLne> Riddell: still does the same for me when i buid it, you were talking about the Depends: line in the binary section yeah?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> and they often crash.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> I know we had this convo already :)
[05:46] <Riddell> seaLne: in debian/rules the binary-arch: rule
[05:46] <DaSkreech> I'm interested in building a killer linux POS
[05:46] <DaSkreech> There are three I've found so far
[05:46] <Hobbsee> we did? my brain must be dying.
[05:46] <seaLne> Riddell: ah
[05:46] <toma> Hobbsee: ah, you changed rsibreak in ubuntu already?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah
[05:47] <Hobbsee> toma: although we could have synced it i guess.  oh well
[05:47] <toma> Hobbsee: ok, i will do the same for debian and request a sync for the next version
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's got all of the kdelibs-bin stuff fixed, as far as i can see
[05:47] <Hobbsee> toma: yeah, may as well, in edgy+1
[05:47] <Riddell> we will sync it if Debian gets it updated at a time we can sync
[05:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: top job, well done
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :)
[05:49] <toma> Riddell: did you look at digikam/kscope
[05:49] <toma> ?
[05:49] <Riddell> toma: kscope uploaded
[05:50] <Riddell> toma: digikam I need to look at what's not compiled yet on amd64
[05:50] <Hobbsee> toma: kscope?
[05:50] <Riddell> the buildds seems to be running slowly today though
[05:50] <seaLne> Riddell: nope still not making any difference, removed binary-arch and its mention in binary
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont tell me i've been giving them too much of a workout :P
[05:50] <toma> allee: great, i'll do the kipi-plugins then
[05:50] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm, it's broken for me again here
[05:51] <allee> toma: good.  (there was something about flickr needs depends konqueror afair)
[05:52] <toma> allee: ah, ok, suggests i presume?
[05:52] <Riddell> toma: somebody updated digikamimageplugins to 0.8.1-2ubuntu1 so I guess we'll just see how that works
[05:52] <toma> Riddell: grrr.
[05:52] <Riddell> toma: flickr plugins will need to depend on konqueror
[05:52] <jjesse> ok why can't i get the @SIG@ to work on the kubuntu/meeting page?
[05:52] <jjesse> grumble grumble
[05:53] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i never have been able to either.
[05:53] <Riddell> it needs konqueror to authenticate
[05:53] <jjesse> ah
[05:53] <toma> Riddell: with a depend on libgamin
[05:53] <Riddell> seaLne: it seems to be running all the dh_ stuff twice
[05:53] <allee> toma: do you remember why rsibreak did depend on kdelibs-bin?
[05:53] <toma> Riddell: that is because of libfam.la
[05:53] <Hobbsee> allee: an icon thing in there
[05:53] <Riddell> toma: tsk
[05:54] <toma> Riddell: so that is wrong
[05:54] <toma> allee: yes, the general icon in the settings
[05:55] <toma> allee: i guess i should simply copy that icon in the tarball so we can lose that dep?
[05:55] <seaLne> Riddell: hmm you're right weird
[05:55] <toma> allee: friendlier for the gnomies as well
[05:56] <allee> toma: depends where the icons is now.  If it's a 'usually' installed/needed.  Depends.  Otherwise copy it (in your next upstream release)
[05:57] <allee> toma: as flickr depends on it I would say let kipi-plugin recommend it (as we do for other plugins already)
[05:58] <Riddell> seaLne: where do you actually run make?
[05:58] <Riddell> build-arch doesn't have it
[05:58] <toma> allee: hmm.. two discussions are mixing up here
[06:00] <toma> (wow, a flying doctors replay, is that were i pay money for?)
[06:00] <seaLne> Riddell: i thought one of the dh_ things did that but i'm guessing now thats a no?
[06:01] <allee> Hobbsee: I thing you need an alioth account.  To get rid of save some pkg-kde-extras merging ;)
[06:01] <toma> i agree
[06:01] <Riddell> seaLne: in build-arch-stamp you should uncomment the make line
[06:01] <Hobbsee> allee: argh!  i'm not even a MOTU yet!
[06:01] <Riddell> seaLne: however I don't see why that would be causing the problem we're seeing
[06:01] <seaLne> but would cause i slightly more serious problem :)
[06:01] <allee> Hobbsee: no excuse. Me too. Nevertheless I've an alioth account ;)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> allee: i'm sure i could find you plenty of excuses :P
[06:02] <toma> allee: kipi plugins currently only depends on shlibs:depend, for flickr we would need konqueror there
[06:02] <allee> Hobbsee: all you need is ssh and svn client ;)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> allee: that's probably why i had a probelm then
[06:03] <Hobbsee> it's 2am.
[06:03] <toma> nite Hobbsee
[06:03] <allee> toma: add konqueror to recommends plus a changelog why it was added.  My brain needs this support info :(
[06:03] <allee> Hobbsee: nite
[06:04] <toma> allee: oki
[06:05] <toma> allee: k3b is added as recommend, isn't that the same situation?
[06:05] <seaLne> Riddell: uncomenting that make causes more errors, i'm pretty certain it was building it before as it did run gcc
[06:06] <Hobbsee> and the orig.tar.gz is huge - bet it'll want to upload it.
[06:06] <allee> toma: yes, konqueror -> recommends
[06:06] <toma> Riddell: do you agree?
[06:08] <toma> ah, i was pretty much finished.
[06:10] <DaSkreech> apt-get purge *
[06:12] <nixternal> nite Hobbsee
[06:17] <Riddell> seaLne: it'll have been buliding from the "make install" run
[06:18] <Riddell> toma: depends how well the flickr plugin handles not having konqueror installed
[06:18] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah seen that now, it was -indep and -arch that was causing the second time running
[06:19] <seaLne> Riddell: sorting it now
[06:19] <toma> Riddell: iirc it asks to login to the flickr site and press ok when done.
[06:20] <Riddell> toma: that's right, to approve the plugin
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Were you working on the reverse usplash for shutdown?
[06:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: all I do it make kdm call usplash
[06:21] <DaSkreech> So I need to be asking #u-devel for why it was abandoned?
[06:24] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's the problem?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> It's not a problem
[06:24] <Riddell> the issue then
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Just that through the dapper testing when you shut down teh usplash ran backwards from 100% to 0% and it was very cool
[06:25] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it still does
[06:25] <DaSkreech> I was perturbed that they put it to run up on shutdown for the release
[06:25] <DaSkreech> I see you shut down as often as I do :)
[06:26] <DaSkreech> it runs up from 0% to 100% like on startup
[06:26] <DaSkreech> in the testing phase it ran down. Much more expressive and nicer
[06:29] <Riddell> look at the changelog, see if you can spot who made the change
[06:29] <toma> Riddell: are you subscribed to kde-i18n-doc?
[06:30] <Riddell> toma: yes
[06:30] <Riddell> I just replied
[06:30] <toma> Riddell: okidoki
[07:28] <toma> !seen tonio
[07:28] <ubotu> tonio is on IRC right now!
[07:31] <toma> !seen tonio_
[07:31] <ubotu> I last saw Tonio_ (n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net) 1d 4h 7m 58s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[07:50] <mornfall> Riddell: i think i'll relax the schedule and won't hunt for bounty this time -- i have lots of other stuff to do and guess i need a break...
[07:53] <mornfall> Riddell: well, for now i keep 2.2 as a target before edgy freeze, i can even try to have a 2.3 in time, but 2.3 without commercial software or dist upgrade stuff (unless someone else is able to implement those)
[07:57] <mornfall> it would be also of great help if someone could take care of launchpad bugs on adept, because i would be much happier to only deal with b.k.o
[07:59] <mornfall> don't volunteer everyone at once :p
[08:01] <kwwii> re
[08:03] <DaSkreech> hi 
[08:03] <kwwii> hi DaSkreech
[08:06] <toma> raphink: twinkle is updated to 0.8 now, it took debian a bit longer because the new version contained the iLBC codec, which isn't DFSG or GPL compatible, so that had to be stripped.
[08:10] <mornfall> --> pistacchio
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Hi mornfall
[08:15] <Riddell> mornfall: fair enough
[08:16] <Riddell> mornfall: I may have to look at doing the commercial stuff, I think the powers at Canonical will expect it
[08:17] <Riddell> mornfall: I can try and sort out the launchpad bugs
[08:26] <raphink> toma_|_: nice
[08:31] <mornfall> Riddell: i was more hoping someone less overloaded than you :-)
[08:31] <mornfall> Riddell: you have lots of work already
[08:33] <Tonio_> hey
[08:33] <Tonio_> toma_|_: raphink told me you were searching for me...
[08:33] <Tonio_> I'm back in 10 minutes, time to take a shower and I'm ok
[08:45] <mornfall> --> home
[08:45] <mornfall> laters
[09:20] <imbrandon> 
[09:32] <DaSkreech> 
[09:38] <Riddell> speak up
[09:39] <DaSkreech> up
[09:42] <mornfall> re
[09:43] <mornfall> is there a way to put the kubuntu side of things for adept up for adoption?
[09:43] <mornfall> anyone got tips on possibly interested people?
[09:44] <mornfall> i want to keep good relationships with kubuntu and everything... i just need to offload some work
[09:46] <DaSkreech> Maybe ask on forums or wiki?
[09:47] <DaSkreech>  whats the kubuntu side of adept?
[09:47] <Riddell> forums.. most amusing :)
[09:47] <mornfall> r-right :-)
[09:48] <mornfall> DaSkreech: launchpad, kubuntu-specific issues
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Yeah there must be at least one person on the forums willing to do some work on it
[09:49] <DaSkreech>  I'll wager his name is mornfall though
[09:49] <jjesse> what is exactly involved in the kubuntu side of things? moving bugs filed in launchpad to bugs.kde.org/
[09:49] <jjesse> ?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> lol
[09:50] <mornfall> jjesse: well, after they are sorted out and junk is filtered, that too :)
[09:50] <jjesse> mornfall: i can attempt to filter  some of that junk oout
[09:50] <mornfall> well, the idea is that i can unsubscribe from launchpad without losing useful data
[09:51] <mornfall> keeping up with malone is a nuisance
[09:51] <jjesse> sorry for the stupid question, but is it more then just receivng emails?
[09:52] <mornfall> yeah, reading them, triaging the reports, responding, closing up junk
[09:53] <mornfall> possibly trivial task for someone else, but burdensome and annoying for me
[09:54] <mornfall> ah, and figuring when things are not actually adept bugs (at least for the more obvious cases)
[09:58] <mornfall> the idea is that i can completely forget about all that... it would already be a big help
[10:05] <mornfall> another part where someone could do lots of useful work would be testing development versions from time to time
[10:06] <mornfall> since when one has to do all testing himself, well, not all that nice either
[10:09] <Lure_> jjesse: will you have time to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes with your laptop (I am really interested as you have standby/hibernate/lock/battery keys)
[10:10] <jjesse> Lure_: on schedule for tonight
[10:10] <Lure_> jjesse: great - I will update the page with additional info how to collect stuff
[10:13] <toma> Tonio_: received my mail?
[10:14] <Tonio_> I didn't check my mails at this time
[10:14] <Tonio_> let me look
[10:16] <Tonio_> toma: great
[10:16] <Tonio_> did you find the solution to the problem ?
[10:16] <Lure_> Tonio_: you have Sony laptop, right?
[10:16] <toma> Tonio_: the build system does not cope with srcdir != builddir 
[10:17] <Tonio_> Lure_: yes
[10:17] <toma> Tonio_: tried to fix the build system, but choose the easy way out later on
[10:17] <Lure_> Tonio_: any special laptop keys? Can you add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes?
[10:17] <Tonio_> toma: yes but where is that progress.h file ? ;)
[10:17] <toma> Tonio_: that gets created automatically from progress.ui
[10:17] <toma> Tonio_: that's how .ui files work
[10:18] <Tonio_> ah ! I didn't knew this
[10:18] <DaSkreech> mornfall: I'll thinka about it
[10:18] <Tonio_> Lure_: I'm already in contact with sladen concerning this
[10:18] <DaSkreech> mornfall: No commits yet though :)
[10:18] <Tonio_> Lure_: there is a special trick to perform with the fs and fj series of vaio
[10:18] <mornfall> well, sure, but it needs a commited person :-)
[10:18] <mornfall> anyhow, the easy way
[10:19] <mornfall> i drop all that stuff and someone picks up or it is left undone :-)
[10:19] <mornfall> i will think about that... it's sort of nasty, but usually works
[10:19] <Lure_> Tonio_: so you do not get xev/hal events yet?
[10:19] <toma> Tonio_: they named the orig tarball *-2*, not sure what you do with that, but you might need to adjust the changelog to it
[10:19] <Tonio_> we looked at this and he has the solution to add the keys to the laptop-buttons package
[10:19] <Tonio_> Lure_: I do get them but installing a package
[10:19] <Tonio_> he will extract the events from the code
[10:20] <Tonio_> toma: yes I don't know what to do with it....
[10:20] <Tonio_> toma: I will probably include the latest beta instead of latest stable version anyway
[10:20] <Tonio_> so that's not an issue
[10:21] <toma> Tonio_: send a message to upstream about that, they might be tempted to do it again 
[10:21] <Tonio_> Lure_: there are no xev events but the keys work
[10:21] <Tonio_> Lure_: this is due to sonypi kernel extension using a different output for keys
[10:22] <Tonio_> and according to sladen there are about no chances that upstream will change this since he probably did this for a good reason
[10:22] <Lure_> Tonio_: ok, then nothing to do about it
[10:22] <Tonio_> toma: yes, but in a certain way, I don't know if they will change their tarball versioning "just for debian" ;
[10:22] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:23] <Tonio_> Lure_: just wait for sladen to include the required things to the package and edgy will have sony hotkeys out of the box
[10:23] <toma> Tonio_: true
[10:23] <Tonio_> toma: many thanks for the explanation
[10:23] <toma> Tonio_: np
[10:24] <Tonio_> I will know how this works... hard to figure out if nobody explains it the first time :)
[10:25] <toma> Tonio_: yeah, took me a couple of hours to figure out how debian builds the package, so i learned as well
[10:26] <Tonio_> toma: hehe
[10:35] <Lure_> Riddell: any idea where this regression might come out - bug 37341 - this is also causing problems on my desktop with Genius MM keyboard where XF86WWW is assigned to multiple keycodes, and then none of them works correctly :(
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37341 in kubuntu-meta "XF86AudioRaiseVolume key/action not working in kde" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37341
[10:41] <Riddell> Lure_: how do you know it's the duplicate entry that's causing problems?
[10:42] <Lure_> Riddell: three users reporting it (I will now boot my desktop and confirm is possible)
[10:43] <Riddell> Lure_: does the problem get solved if you remove one of the entries from the X mapping?
[10:43] <Lure_> Riddell: that is what they reported it fixes the problem for them
[10:43] <Lure_> Riddell: but having multiple keys (keycodes) having same keysym is valid config
[10:44] <Lure_> Riddell: I suspect that KDE hotkey handler somewhere just picks up the first keycode and does the map instead of getting all keycodes
[10:45] <Riddell> hmm, that's quite a pain, I'm not sure where to look for that
[10:45] <Riddell> it's probably part of Qt
[10:46] <Lure_> Riddell: since they claim it worked at least on 5.04, it may be Qt/KDE regression or xkb change (no duplicates in 5.04?)
[10:46] <Lure_> I am concerned that this kind of issue may limit usefullness of our KubuntuLaptopButtons implementation...
[11:17] <mornfall> goodnight folks
[11:17] <Riddell> night mornfall 
[11:41] <Riddell> verwilst_: cool!
[11:41] <Riddell> verwilst_: how's it done?
[11:41] <verwilst_> sure is :d
[11:41] <verwilst_> what do you mean?
[11:42] <verwilst_> Riddell?
[11:43] <Riddell> verwilst_: do you need top use that dual boot loader from Apple?
[11:43] <verwilst_> well
[11:44] <verwilst_> in mac os, you start bootcamp
[11:44] <verwilst_> and repartition your windows partition
[11:44] <Riddell> that's the one
[11:44] <verwilst_> then you boot with the kubuntu cd
[11:44] <verwilst_> and use the windows partition as ext3 or something :)
[11:44] <verwilst_> pretty easy :)
[11:44] <verwilst_> only my @ and # aren't working yet :(
[11:45] <verwilst_> and backlight controls and stuffs
[11:45] <verwilst_> the bottom is pretty hot though
[11:45] <verwilst_> i can't keep my hand on it for a few seconds
[11:48] <verwilst_> Riddell: knetworkmanager doesn't support wpa?
[11:49] <Riddell> not yet
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm on universe apps actually...
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have an issue with kio-locate....
[11:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's up?
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: a strange issue that fails the build with scons......
[11:52] <Tonio_> lots of people have seens this one on the net, but nobody seems to have the key :)
[11:52] <Tonio_> but I will find....
[11:52] <Tonio_> I still have my 30 universe apps to merge, and a few new apps to package, like kwlan, since it'll be a good replacement for wlassistant eventually....
[11:53] <Tonio_> I also found better than knemo ;)
[11:55] <allee> Tonio_: ^^ which is better?
[11:55] <Lure_> verwilst_: knetworkmanager supports wpa, but not will all wifi drivers
[11:56] <Tonio_> allee: let me show you
[11:57] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41938
[11:58] <Tonio_> that would be very interesting to provide a kind of "real time initiation video for kubuntu" ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> users generally appreciate video "howtos" :)
[11:58] <allee> Tonio_: that's cool, but I don't get the relation to knemo 
[11:58] <Tonio_> there is no
[11:58] <Tonio_> just wait for me to find out the link
[11:59] <allee> 	1 ccd 600x600
[11:59] <allee> 	64x 64 ccds insgesamt
[11:59] <allee> 	kuerzerster job 30 sec bei 600x600
[11:59] <allee> 	ein client arbeitet 20 x 600x600 pixels ab --> 10 min rechenzeit
[11:59] <allee> 	jeder client liest 3 files
[11:59] <allee> 		20 x 600x600 x 4 byte -> 29 MB
[11:59] <allee> 		3 files -> 90 MB
[11:59] <allee> 		bei 10 MB durchsatz 9 sec
[11:59] <allee> 		30 sec processing       60 %
[11:59] <allee> 		10 sec IO		20 %
[11:59] <allee> 		10 sec setup/cleanup	20 %
[11:59] <allee> 		==> 175 Tage CPU  ~ 1.5 x 175 = 260 reale Tage
[11:59] <allee> 	Ein Bild verarbeiten heisst:
[11:59] <allee> 		600x600x64x64x4  x 3 files =  16875 MB     / 200  ~ 85 MB pro node
[11:59] <allee> 	In 10 min mussen 90MBx200 = 18000 MB uebertragen werden -> 30 MB
[11:59] <verwilst_> Lure_: aaaah it works
[12:00] <allee> 	Bei 10 MB thoughput -> 3 IO server + 1 spare
[12:00] <verwilst_> i just seemed to try and connect to a wep AP :)
[12:00] <verwilst_> you can't see wether it's wep or wpa in the interface :(
[12:00] <allee> f*ck.  sorry!
[12:01] <Riddell> allee: we forgive you
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell, mornfall: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24579
[12:02] <Tonio_> any opinion ?
[12:02] <Tonio_> quite nice in my opinion
[12:04] <Riddell> is that a tree widget on the left hand side?
[12:04] <Riddell> I'm not much of a fan of tree widgets with 10,000 items
[12:04] <Tonio_> allee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=16264
[12:05] <Tonio_> this one's kool
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't you like amarok ?
[12:05] <Riddell> amarok isn't a tree item
[12:05] <Riddell> oh, the stuff on the left of amarok is
[12:05] <Riddell> and I hate that :)
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah.... that's very clear in my opinion
[12:06] <Tonio_> this frontend really ressembles to amarok's structure
[12:06] <Riddell> this is why we don't have KControl in kubuntu
[12:06] <Tonio_> well it depends on the application
[12:06] <Tonio_> in that case, that sounds clear because of the tabs on the left (like amarok also)
[12:07] <Tonio_> well there is a little bunch of packages I have to do after I finish the universe merging of kde applications....
[12:08] <Tonio_> hard month coming ::)