=== iGama [n=xtreme@bl6-27-28.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === AdamG [n=AKG@adsl-157-116-122.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-48-146.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-118-186-15.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:09] wassup guys === DeepEddy [n=chatzill@netblock-72-25-98-53.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:13] hey [02:13] wassup === linuxmonkey is editing some pages on the wiki :) [02:15] well on h.u.c. wiki...lol [02:17] nice [02:24] any know how to put a webaddress but not make it show up as a link? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:58] woot woot edited the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu to reflect the new Canonical Commercial Repositories :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:34] linuxmonkey: is it possible for you to do the same thing for the /Ubuntu subpage? [03:34] i dont have ubuntu installed at the moment to be able to take the screenshots === linuxmonkey needs more systems [03:35] im willing to do it if ya can get me screenshots nixternal [03:35] vmware server [03:36] oh thats right [03:36] thats how i do it [03:36] i got to install that, I actually have a vmware licence :) [03:36] i have Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu all in Dapper, as well as all of them in Edgy..although the Edgy ones are all pretty much broken right now === linuxmonkey got it while in school [03:36] vmware server == free [03:37] since when? [03:37] server has always been free...it is the other things that aren't [03:37] whats the diff [03:37] imbrandon explained it to me one night [03:37] i can't remember exactly [03:38] were is he anyways [03:38] lol [03:41] taking a break i guess [03:42] i think it is an irc break so he can work on code..i hope it is at least [03:47] lol probably [03:47] he's been busy with konversation [03:50] which is horrible === cosmolax [n=Cosmolax@219-68-130-176.adsl.dynamic.giga.net.tw] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [04:33] the free vmware server is a rolling beta if i remember right [04:33] its a free, unlimited use binary though [04:52] too bad parallels for mac is not free [04:54] i wonder if there is a product like vmware for macs === smitten [n=smitten@c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:12] mdke: around? [05:20] sleeping at his time [05:20] you can ask jsgotangco too :) [05:35] robotgeek: I think there's a vmware version for the macs, but I'm really not sure [05:36] theCore: nevermind, i am installing kubuntu now. no edgy testing for powerpc :( [05:37] robotgeek: edgy testing? I don't think there's anything new for the moment [05:37] theCore: yeah, but in time... [05:44] jsgotangco: can you link me to the anthrolopology information for Ubuntu? [05:46] i got it jsgotangco, forgot his name was Andreas [05:46] =) [05:46] Andreas Lyod === jsgotangco was reading Ralph sorry [05:46] or Lyold, maybe? [05:47] how about Lloyd [05:47] ;) === jsgotangco grins [05:47] haha [05:48] who is the ubuntu-list mailman? my daughter doesn't look like me [05:48] lol. i knew i was there [05:48] haha [05:49] im going to hang myself, as i keep emailing the person responsible, but he doesn't email me back === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === OHPhoneGuy [n=elaine@cpe-71-79-231-179.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan just received the dapper CDs with stickers! [07:39] grrr [07:39] im going to beat up the mailman tomorrow if mine don't come now ;) [07:40] what are you doing? [07:41] one question in ubuntu installation: how do we install dapper using cursor/text mode (instead of default gui) [07:42] bhuvan: Use the Alternative Install CD-Rom [07:43] OHPhoneGuy: how do i locate that Cd. All Cds (total: 5) seem to be the same [07:44] jsgotangco: http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/poster/poster1.png <- first draft for a poster [07:44] bhuvan: I've not seen the Dapper CD's, so I don't know how to physically tell you that "that one" is the Alternative CD...however, if I remember the Breezy CD's, they were marked. [07:44] bhuvan: alternate cd [07:45] wow it feels like a movie poster! [07:45] hehe [07:45] the "taste of ubuntu" [07:45] fitting, since the taste of chicago just ended [07:53] jsgotangco: oh ok [07:53] OHPhoneGuy: thank you! [07:54] the cds being shipped are gui-install only [07:54] you have to download alternate [07:54] jsgotangco: ok === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@dsl-202-45-99-129.ACT.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:01] morning [09:02] hi mdke [09:03] hello [09:04] hi mdke, jsgotangco [09:04] hi! [09:12] jsgotangco: Did you take a look at the docbook -> moinmoin xslt:s? [09:13] i sure do have this in my machine but havent tested yet [09:14] will do in a few minutes sorry [09:17] jsgotangco: No problem. [09:17] jsgotangco: I could upload a newer version. No major changes, just a few tweaks. [09:18] jsgotangco: And rudimentary support for images. [09:19] jsgotangco: crap. No I can't. It's on my machine at home, which seems to have changed IP addresses, so I can't log in :/ [09:23] night all [09:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GenBunToo <-- very strange... [09:27] fixed, and uploaded: http://users.tkk.fi/~mvirkkil/db2mm/ [09:27] jsgotangco: --^ [09:35] what's a2m-desc.xml? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:37] jsgotangco: hmm.. cruft. [09:38] jsgotangco: it was an old example docbook [09:38] jsgotangco: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/article2moin/a2m-desc.xml [09:38] jsgotangco: Just doing "xsltproc db2mm.xslt yourdocbook.xml" should work [09:38] ah wait a bit let me check my repo [09:42] but yourdocbook.xml can't be a book or a part. The root element needs to be one of the following: article chapter colophon appendix glossary [09:43] ahh === mvirkkil needs to write better documentation === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy [i=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy is now known as matthewrevell === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] mvirkkil: it doesn't work for books yet? [10:57] mdke: No. Not yet. [10:57] mdke: It can only handle docbook->moinmoin when the result is going to be one moinmoin page, ie article, chapter etc. [11:04] mvirkkil: ok, gotcha. do you plan to work on books too? [11:04] mdke: Yes, of course :) [11:05] awesome [11:05] mdke: I'm just taking a similar route I did when I went from moin->docbook: first supoprting only 1to1 conversion, and later doing it for "collections". [11:06] mdke: Unfortunately my this week is booked pretty solid, so chunkin a docbook-book in to multiple parts like chapters etc, is going to have to wait till next week. [11:07] mdke: But I'd really appreciate if people would test it on their stuff already, and let me know if they find bugs. [11:08] I've also been thinking about how to support xrefs and other links. It's quite non-trivial. [11:08] yes [11:09] presumably it involves the anchor macro, right? [11:10] mdke: Possibly. But a macro wouldn't work for linkin to headings, since headings aren't parsed. [11:11] how does the table of contents macro link to headings? [11:15] mvirkkil: ok, here is the result of your xslt on the about-ubuntu document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/AboutUbuntu [11:15] looks good. [11:15] mdke: Hmm.. bugs. [11:15] I'll make a list of things that aren't working [11:16] mdke: The list is not a list, and I've managed to get → outputted as "→" instead of a "-->" [11:16] mdke: You used xsltproc? [11:17] yes [11:17] the itemizedlist bug seems to be the most significant [11:17] interesting that the first one didn't work, and the second one did [11:17] mdke: Weird, I think that used to work. I did some minor fixes, seems I broke that. [11:18] mdke: Would you mind testing with the older 0.4 version? [11:18] ah, the first list is inside a , the second one isn't. Is that the trouble? [11:19] mdke: Might be :/ [11:19] mdke: I'll need to check it out at home. I'd _love_ to have a smallish testcase :) [11:21] mvirkkil: bug is there with 0.4 too [11:22] mdke: ok. [11:23] mdke: Ahh.. Found the bug. [11:24] mdke: I'm assuming that everything inside a -tag _must b [11:24] mdke: I'm assuming that everything inside a -tag _must_ be formatted inline. [11:27] splendid [11:27] mvirkkil: i've listed the missing features/bugs on that wiki page [11:27] mdke: Hmm.. Menuchoice support should work. And so should images. [11:28] mdke: It seems your version of moinmoin doesn't support embedding html entities like → which works with newer versions of moin. [11:28] the broken menu-choice is what you mentioned earlier, in the last bullet point of the page [11:29] mdke: Could you put up the xml file, so I can see how the images are used? [11:29] mvirkkil: the menuchoice looks like that in my 1.5 desktop moin too [11:30] here's the code: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml [11:32] mdke: How can a have multiple :s? I think that should be something like [11:33] mvirkkil: you are probably right, but it's not invalid [11:33] mdke: No. Unfortunately my code assumes a is the last in the row :/ [11:34] mdke: But the itemized list inside a para is the really problematic bug. [11:34] mdke: That was an exellent catch :) === mdke nods [11:34] mdke: I'll have to really rework some of the code to support that :) [11:35] sorry about that :) [11:36] mdke: The images work. [11:36] mdke: It's just that there is no image on the wiki at ../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png [11:37] heh [11:37] mvirkkil: shouldn't it prompt for me to upload an attachment? [11:38] mdke: No, because the link is a direct link like [../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png] , not an attachment:../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png [11:38] mdke: So if the path would be a complete url to any server anywhere, it would work directly. [11:38] hmm [11:39] i wonder if that is the best way to handle images [11:39] at least those with relative paths [11:39] mdke: Well, my plan is to have people upload zips, which get extracted, and the images get attached to the main page. [11:40] mdke: mainpage==book's page [11:41] where the image is one with a relative path, I would have thought attachment:filename.png would work [11:42] mdke: You mean, that if it's a relative path, it should write out an attachment:ubuntuheader.png instead? [11:42] can you think of a reason why not to do that? [11:43] mdke: It gets a bit tricky if there are something like ../../images/en/flag.png and ../../images/fi/flag.png [11:43] because then it would just write attachment:flag.png for both, even though they should be different files. [11:44] good point === mdke doesnt know the answer to this === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-171.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@CPE-58-169-35-121.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-241-166.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:48] dum dum dee dum === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:12] jsgotangco, I'll guess that tune in 5? [02:12] haha === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Talk] === philbull [n=philbull@84.13.253.152] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:25] mdke: Fixing "lists inside para" will result in nasty ugly code. [04:26] mvirkkil: I'm not very good with code, I'm not sure I can help... [04:26] Since a para needs to be a single line, so I want to use normalize-space to strip any newlines and spaces in the beginning and end. This is naturally not possible when there are lists present. [04:27] mdke: no worries. I wasn't expecting you to. [04:27] I can help test though! [04:28] mdke: And that is very much appreciated :) [04:28] mdke: Unfortunately this looks like a tough one to crack. [04:28] mdke: Because any way I fix it, will cause breakage somewhere elese. [04:29] mdke: I'm asking my mentor for help on this one :) [04:29] are you able to simply treat it as you would if there was a there before the list? [04:30] mdke: The problem is that there is no easy way to collect all the stuff before the list in one. [04:30] mdke: Or there is, but I'm hoping there would be a cleaner solution. [04:33] ok [04:34] mdke: It's conceptually a simple matter. My problems are on the code level. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:38] mdke: what do you have to do to get comitt access to the svn? [04:42] mdke: i would like to have philbull have comitt permissions as he will be working on the switching guide w/ me [04:42] and will have lots to add :0 [04:42] jjesse: contribute patches to the list that demonstrate some constant contribution and the ability to write valid docbook consistently with our styleguide [04:42] jjesse: ah cool [04:42] mdke: we've spent the lasthour discussing and philbull will be emailing the list to let everyone know our thoughts [04:43] start off with him sending a few patches, and then he can be given access [04:43] jjesse: there is some suggestion that Ubuntu membership is also a prerequisite [04:43] mdke: ok will get him started sending diffs and we then move him along [04:44] great === philbull [n=philbull@84.13.253.152] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sfair [n=sfair@dma03.feg.unesp.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sfair [n=sfair@dma03.feg.unesp.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Aumentando] [06:01] @SIG@ [06:16] i read up on some cool moin moin features [06:21] on our wiki, or the actual moinmoin wikiwiki? [06:23] moinmoin [06:24] ya, there are a lot of macro's they have, plus a lot of scripts...we don't have a lot of them enabled on our machine [06:24] like the parsers [06:24] yeah [06:24] c, java, ruby and stuff like that [06:24] the stuff i read about worked like a charm [06:26] which ones? 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