[02:09] <linuxmonkey> wassup guys
[02:13] <jsgotangco> hey
[02:13] <linuxmonkey> wassup
[02:15] <linuxmonkey> well on h.u.c. wiki...lol
[02:17] <jsgotangco> nice
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> any know how to put a webaddress but not make it show up as a link?
[02:58] <linuxmonkey> woot woot edited the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu to reflect the new Canonical Commercial Repositories :)
[03:34] <nixternal> linuxmonkey: is it possible for you to do the same thing for the /Ubuntu subpage?
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> i dont have ubuntu installed at the moment to be able to take the screenshots
[03:35] <linuxmonkey> im willing to do it if ya can get me screenshots nixternal
[03:35] <nixternal> vmware server
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> oh thats right
[03:36] <nixternal> thats how i do it
[03:36] <linuxmonkey> i got to install that, I actually have a vmware licence :)
[03:36] <nixternal> i have Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu all in Dapper, as well as all of them in Edgy..although the Edgy ones are all pretty much broken right now
[03:36] <nixternal> vmware server == free
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> since when?
[03:37] <nixternal> server has always been free...it is the other things that aren't
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> whats the diff
[03:37] <nixternal> imbrandon explained it to me one night
[03:37] <nixternal> i can't remember exactly
[03:38] <linuxmonkey> were is he anyways
[03:38] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:41] <nixternal> taking a break i guess
[03:42] <nixternal> i think it is an irc break so he can work on code..i hope it is at least
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> lol probably
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> he's been busy with konversation
[03:50] <nixternal> which is horrible
[04:33] <jsgotangco> the free vmware server is a rolling beta if i remember right
[04:33] <jsgotangco> its a free, unlimited use binary though
[04:52] <robotgeek> too bad parallels for mac is not free
[04:54] <robotgeek> i wonder if there is a product like vmware for macs
[05:12] <smitten> mdke: around?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> sleeping at his time
[05:20] <robotgeek> you can ask jsgotangco too :)
[05:35] <theCore> robotgeek: I think there's a vmware version for the macs, but I'm really not sure
[05:36] <robotgeek> theCore: nevermind, i am installing kubuntu now. no edgy testing for powerpc :(
[05:37] <theCore> robotgeek: edgy testing? I don't think there's anything new for the moment
[05:37] <robotgeek> theCore: yeah, but in time...
[05:44] <nixternal> jsgotangco: can you link me to the anthrolopology information for Ubuntu?
[05:46] <nixternal> i got it jsgotangco, forgot his name was Andreas
[05:46] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:46] <robotgeek> Andreas Lyod
[05:46] <robotgeek> or Lyold, maybe?
[05:47] <nixternal> how about Lloyd
[05:47] <nixternal> ;)
[05:47] <nixternal> haha
[05:48] <nixternal> who is the ubuntu-list mailman?  my daughter doesn't look like me
[05:48] <robotgeek> lol. i knew i was there
[05:48] <nixternal> haha
[05:49] <nixternal> im going to hang myself, as i keep emailing the person responsible, but he doesn't email me back
[07:39] <nixternal> grrr
[07:39] <nixternal> im going to beat up the mailman tomorrow if mine don't come now ;)
[07:40] <jsgotangco> what are you doing?
[07:41] <bhuvan> one question in ubuntu installation: how do we install dapper using cursor/text mode (instead of default gui)
[07:42] <OHPhoneGuy> bhuvan: Use the Alternative Install CD-Rom
[07:43] <bhuvan> OHPhoneGuy: how do i locate that Cd. All Cds (total: 5) seem to be the same
[07:44] <nixternal> jsgotangco: http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/poster/poster1.png  <- first draft for a poster
[07:44] <OHPhoneGuy> bhuvan:  I've not seen the Dapper CD's, so I don't know how to physically tell you that "that one" is the Alternative CD...however, if I remember the Breezy CD's, they were marked.  
[07:44] <jsgotangco> bhuvan: alternate cd
[07:45] <jsgotangco> wow it feels like a movie poster!
[07:45] <nixternal> hehe
[07:45] <nixternal> the "taste of ubuntu"
[07:45] <nixternal> fitting, since the taste of chicago just ended
[07:53] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: oh ok
[07:53] <bhuvan> OHPhoneGuy: thank you!
[07:54] <jsgotangco> the cds being shipped are gui-install only
[07:54] <jsgotangco> you have to download alternate
[07:54] <bhuvan> jsgotangco: ok
[09:01] <mdke> morning
[09:02] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[09:03] <jsgotangco> hello
[09:04] <Burgundavia> hi mdke, jsgotangco
[09:04] <jsgotangco> hi!
[09:12] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: Did you take a look at the docbook -> moinmoin xslt:s?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> i sure do have this in my machine but havent tested yet
[09:14] <jsgotangco> will do in a few minutes sorry
[09:17] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: No problem.
[09:17] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: I could upload a newer version. No major changes, just a few tweaks.
[09:18] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: And rudimentary support for images.
[09:19] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: crap. No I can't. It's on my machine at home, which seems to have changed IP addresses, so I can't log in :/
[09:23] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:23] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GenBunToo <-- very strange...
[09:27] <mvirkkil> fixed, and uploaded: http://users.tkk.fi/~mvirkkil/db2mm/
[09:27] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: --^
[09:35] <jsgotangco> what's a2m-desc.xml?
[09:37] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: hmm.. cruft.
[09:38] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: it was an old example docbook
[09:38] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/article2moin/a2m-desc.xml
[09:38] <mvirkkil> jsgotangco: Just doing "xsltproc db2mm.xslt yourdocbook.xml" should work
[09:38] <jsgotangco> ah wait a bit let me check my repo
[09:42] <mvirkkil> but yourdocbook.xml can't be a book or a part. The root element needs to be one of the following: article chapter colophon appendix glossary
[09:43] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:20] <mdke> mvirkkil: it doesn't work for books yet?
[10:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: No. Not yet.
[10:57] <mvirkkil> mdke: It can only handle docbook->moinmoin when the result is going to be one moinmoin page, ie article, chapter etc.
[11:04] <mdke> mvirkkil: ok, gotcha. do you plan to work on books too?
[11:04] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yes, of course :) 
[11:05] <mdke> awesome
[11:05] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm just taking a similar route I did when I went from moin->docbook: first supoprting only 1to1 conversion, and later doing it for "collections".
[11:06] <mvirkkil> mdke: Unfortunately my this week is booked pretty solid, so chunkin a docbook-book in to multiple parts like chapters etc, is going to have to wait till next week.
[11:07] <mvirkkil> mdke: But I'd really appreciate if people would test it on their stuff already, and let me know if they find bugs.
[11:08] <mvirkkil> I've also been thinking about how to support xrefs and other links. It's quite non-trivial.
[11:08] <mdke> yes
[11:09] <mdke> presumably it involves the anchor macro, right?
[11:10] <mvirkkil> mdke: Possibly. But a macro wouldn't work for linkin to headings, since headings aren't parsed. 
[11:11] <mdke> how does the table of contents macro link to headings?
[11:15] <mdke> mvirkkil: ok, here is the result of your xslt on the about-ubuntu document: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/AboutUbuntu
[11:15] <mdke> looks good.
[11:15] <mvirkkil> mdke: Hmm.. bugs.
[11:15] <mdke> I'll make a list of things that aren't working
[11:16] <mvirkkil> mdke: The list is not a list, and I've managed to get &rarr; outputted as "&rarr;" instead of a "-->"
[11:16] <mvirkkil> mdke: You used xsltproc?
[11:17] <mdke> yes
[11:17] <mdke> the itemizedlist bug seems to be the most significant
[11:17] <mdke> interesting that the first one didn't work, and the second one did
[11:17] <mvirkkil> mdke: Weird, I think that used to work. I did some minor fixes, seems I broke that.
[11:18] <mvirkkil> mdke: Would you mind testing with the older 0.4 version?
[11:18] <mdke> ah, the first list is inside a <para>, the second one isn't. Is that the trouble?
[11:19] <mvirkkil> mdke: Might be :/ 
[11:19] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'll need to check it out at home. I'd _love_ to have a smallish testcase :)
[11:21] <mdke> mvirkkil: bug is there with 0.4 too
[11:22] <mvirkkil> mdke: ok.
[11:23] <mvirkkil> mdke: Ahh.. Found the bug.
[11:24] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm assuming that everything inside a <para>-tag _must b
[11:24] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm assuming that everything inside a <para>-tag _must_ be formatted inline.
[11:27] <mdke> splendid
[11:27] <mdke> mvirkkil: i've listed the missing features/bugs on that wiki page
[11:27] <mvirkkil> mdke: Hmm.. Menuchoice support should work. And so should images.
[11:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: It seems your version of moinmoin doesn't support embedding html entities like &rarr; which works with newer versions of moin.
[11:28] <mdke> the broken menu-choice is what you mentioned earlier, in the last bullet point of the page
[11:29] <mvirkkil> mdke: Could you put up the xml file, so I can see how the images are used?
[11:29] <mdke> mvirkkil: the menuchoice looks like that in my 1.5 desktop moin too
[11:30] <mdke> here's the code: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml
[11:32] <mvirkkil> mdke: How can a <guimenuchoice> have multiple <guimenuitem>:s? I think that should be something like <guisubmenu>
[11:33] <mdke> mvirkkil: you are probably right, but it's not invalid
[11:33] <mvirkkil> mdke: No. Unfortunately my code assumes a <guimenuitem> is the last in the row :/
[11:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: But the itemized list inside a para is the really problematic bug.
[11:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: That was an exellent catch :)
[11:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'll have to really rework some of the code to support that :)
[11:35] <mdke> sorry about that :)
[11:36] <mvirkkil> mdke: The images work.
[11:36] <mvirkkil> mdke: It's just that there is no image on the wiki at ../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png
[11:37] <mdke> heh
[11:37] <mdke> mvirkkil: shouldn't it prompt for me to upload an attachment?
[11:38] <mvirkkil> mdke: No, because the link is a direct link like [../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png] , not an attachment:../../images/C/ubuntuheader.png
[11:38] <mvirkkil> mdke: So if the path would be a complete url to any server anywhere, it would work directly.
[11:38] <mdke> hmm
[11:39] <mdke> i wonder if that is the best way to handle images
[11:39] <mdke> at least those with relative paths
[11:39] <mvirkkil> mdke: Well, my plan is to have people upload zips, which get extracted, and the images get attached to the main page.
[11:40] <mvirkkil> mdke: mainpage==book's page
[11:41] <mdke> where the image is one with a relative path, I would have thought attachment:filename.png would work
[11:42] <mvirkkil> mdke: You mean, that if it's a relative path, it should write out an attachment:ubuntuheader.png instead?
[11:42] <mdke> can you think of a reason why not to do that?
[11:43] <mvirkkil> mdke: It gets a bit tricky if there are something like ../../images/en/flag.png and ../../images/fi/flag.png
[11:43] <mvirkkil> because then it would just write attachment:flag.png for both, even though they should be different files.
[11:44] <mdke> good point
[01:48] <jsgotangco> dum dum dee dum
[02:12] <ompaul> jsgotangco, I'll guess that tune in 5?
[02:12] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:25] <mvirkkil> mdke: Fixing "lists inside para" will result in nasty ugly code.
[04:26] <mdke> mvirkkil: I'm not very good with code, I'm not sure I can help...
[04:26] <mvirkkil> Since a para needs to be a single line, so I want to use normalize-space to strip any newlines and spaces in the beginning and end. This is naturally not possible when there are lists present. 
[04:27] <mvirkkil> mdke: no worries. I wasn't expecting you to. 
[04:27] <mdke> I can help test though!
[04:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: And that is very much appreciated :)
[04:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: Unfortunately this looks like a tough one to crack.
[04:28] <mvirkkil> mdke: Because any way I fix it, will cause breakage somewhere elese.
[04:29] <mvirkkil> mdke: I'm asking my mentor for help on this one :)
[04:29] <mdke> are you able to simply treat it as you would if there was a </para> there before the list?
[04:30] <mvirkkil> mdke: The problem is that there is no easy way to collect all the stuff before the list in one.
[04:30] <mvirkkil> mdke: Or there is, but I'm hoping there would be a cleaner solution.
[04:33] <mdke> ok
[04:34] <mvirkkil> mdke: It's conceptually a simple matter. My problems are on the code level.
[04:38] <jjesse> mdke: what do you have to do to get comitt access to the svn?
[04:42] <jjesse> mdke: i would like to have philbull have comitt permissions as he will be working on the switching guide w/ me
[04:42] <jjesse> and will have lots to add :0
[04:42] <mdke> jjesse: contribute patches to the list that demonstrate some constant contribution and the ability to write valid docbook consistently with our styleguide
[04:42] <mdke> jjesse: ah cool
[04:42] <jjesse> mdke: we've spent the lasthour discussing and philbull will be emailing the list to let everyone know our thoughts
[04:43] <mdke> start off with him sending a few patches, and then he can be given access
[04:43] <mdke> jjesse: there is some suggestion that Ubuntu membership is also a prerequisite
[04:43] <jjesse> mdke: ok will get him started sending diffs and we then move him along
[04:44] <mdke> great
[06:01] <nixternal> @SIG@
[06:16] <linuxmonkey> i read up on some cool moin moin features
[06:21] <nixternal> on our wiki, or the actual moinmoin wikiwiki?
[06:23] <linuxmonkey> moinmoin
[06:24] <nixternal> ya, there are a lot of macro's they have, plus a lot of scripts...we don't have a lot of them enabled on our machine
[06:24] <nixternal> like the parsers
[06:24] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[06:24] <nixternal> c, java, ruby and stuff like that
[06:24] <linuxmonkey> the stuff i read about worked like a charm
[06:26] <nixternal> which ones?
[06:26] <linuxmonkey> like the url in text mode..so it doesnt come up as a linke
[06:27] <nixternal> using ``
[06:27] <nixternal> oh..i know what you are talking about
[06:27] <nixternal> yes
[06:29] <linuxmonkey> or using {address}
[06:29] <nixternal> im just interested really in the wiki > docbook stuff ;)
[06:31] <nixternal> what i have been doing, is running the desktop moinmoin, and doing all my stuff locally, then copy/paste it up to the main wiki...makes it much easier to edit locally, that way i don't loose anything