[12:11] <Tonio_> allee: the good point is that it autodetects the cards...
[12:11] <Tonio_> no need to add them manually
[12:12] <allee> Tonio_: that's really nice
[12:13] <kwwii> howdy Tonio_, allee
[12:13] <kwwii> evening
[12:13] <allee> kwwii: hi
[12:13] <kwwii> everyone
[12:13] <Riddell> hi kwwii 
[12:14] <kwwii> Riddell: just so you know, I have posted the ideas I made for kubuntu on the ubuntu-art list...asking for discussion, etc.
[12:15] <Riddell> wow, brave
[12:16] <ajmitch> heh
[12:16] <kwwii> here is a current screenshot of my desktop with new colors, a new window decoration gradient, desktop background and icon set.  http://bootsplash.org/snapshot3.png (which, among others, I sent to the list)
[12:16] <ajmitch> kwwii: anything new & revolutionary?
[12:16] <Tonio_> hey kwwii
[12:17] <Lure_> kwwii: brave colors... but the contract of new colors and K blue is a bit strange...
[12:18] <Lure_> s/contract/contrast/ 
[12:18] <kwwii> Lure_: yepp, you are right
[12:18] <kwwii> Lure_: it would have to be different
[12:19] <Riddell> like the purple
[12:20] <Lure_> Riddell: what is your opinion about powersave discussions (powersave-devel, spec comment, your blog comment)?
[12:21] <imbrandon> whoa  , nice kwwii , i like everthing but the min / max / close decorations them selfs ( i'm more a polyester kwin deco fan but thats personal pref ) all in all looks great
[12:22] <Riddell> powersave is a big complex thing that needs to be scaled down into a simple HAL frontend.  I'm pretty sure it'll be easier to start fresh and just make a HAL frontend
[12:22] <kwwii> imbrandon: yeah, the buttons suck and need to be replaced
[12:22] <kwwii> I know, I made them :p
[12:23] <imbrandon> kwwii, check out the polyester buttons they are simple and nice ( and i think might fit into the rest of that very nicely )
[12:23] <imbrandon> but gj though
[12:23] <Lure_> Riddell: somebody should respond (you or sebas) and explain your concerns
[12:24] <kwwii> imbrandon: will do
[12:27] <Lure_> Riddell: I think some process needs to take care about suspend/resume when user is not logged in (= no gui) - this is the idea of powersaved
[12:27] <Lure_> anyhow, I have to get some sleep now - good nite all!
[12:30] <Riddell> I can't see much use for suspending without being logged in
[12:31] <imbrandon> hrm if you take the time to log out its not much harder to suspend
[12:31] <imbrandon> at the same time ;)
[12:32] <Lure_> Riddell: if you run out of batteries if not logged on - it should at least graefully shutdown (or hibernate or whatever)
[12:32] <Lure_> Riddell: but powersaved is just too bloated for just these purpose...
[12:32] <Lure_> Riddell: and hal on the other hand does not do any policy/action...
[12:35] <Riddell> I don't have a problem with having suspend when not logged in either of course
[12:35] <Riddell> my main concern is that I don't think kpowersave will be ready for edgy, and also that it's user interface has three levels of tabs on one dialogue
[12:42] <abattoir> Riddell: hello :) 
[12:42] <Riddell> hi abattoir 
[12:42] <abattoir> Riddell: It seems like Kamion has started working on oem-config frantically :P
[12:43] <abattoir> Riddell: Initially, i'll create a Qt UI which is a clone of the GTK one...
[12:43] <Riddell> abattoir: great!
[12:43] <abattoir> once i get everything to work w/ the backend, i'll work on improving the UI...
[12:44] <abattoir> Just finished the .ui file...
[12:44] <Riddell> rocking
[12:44] <abattoir> so only comboboxes now, instead of listviews...
[12:44] <abattoir> for languages, timezones, keyboard layouts etc.
[12:44] <abattoir> I'll also discuss w/ Kamion tomorrow about where he intends to take the GTK UI
[12:45] <abattoir> just an update... ;) 
[12:46] <Riddell> thanks, useful to be kept up to date :)
[12:46] <abattoir> i should work on the wiki though :(
[12:46] <abattoir> i've neglected it...
[12:47] <abattoir> ok, thanks, i'll keep you posted :)
[12:53] <imbrandon> moins omeow 
[12:54] <omeow> Hello. :)
[01:11] <kwwii> time for sleep
[01:11] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[01:42] <linuxmonkey> GIMP 2.2.12 Released ...lol now get cracking...lol
[02:04] <crimsun> linuxmonkey: it's already fixed in 2.2.11-1ubuntu3.1
[02:05] <linuxmonkey> hehehe ok
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:29] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[03:29] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon and Riddell :)(
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are you still doing up???
[03:30] <Riddell> got to package koffice sometime :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe - which version now?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotta fix kdebase, too :P
[03:31] <Riddell> 1.5.2
[03:31] <Hobbsee> oh nice, that's out now
[03:31] <Riddell> what's up with kdebase?
[03:31] <Riddell> it's not out yet no
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the screensaver thing - how it doesnt work.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe, right.  it's only unofficially out
[03:32] <Hobbsee> what concerns me with that screensaver bug is that people are downloading a random file off the forums to fix it
[03:32] <Riddell> yes, that is somewhat worrying
[03:32] <Hobbsee> and that's going to bring more bug reports, due to fubar'd systems, due to installing random files
[03:32] <Hobbsee> which is the reason i've been bugging about it :P
[03:33] <imbrandon_> forums == bane of developers, blind leading the blind ;)
[03:33] <omeow> Curious how that one slipped past "testing".
[03:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: kde 3.5.3 wasnt well tested, iirc - we just checked for the basics.
[03:33] <omeow> (I dunno if 3.5.3 actually received testing, as it's not really stable yet is it?)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: it's stable, has been for ages
[03:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: and it got tested yes.  a bit.
[03:33] <Riddell> the 3.5.3 packages were 
[03:33] <Riddell> the 3.5.3 packages were quickly made
[03:33] <omeow> Oh ok. I thought 3.5.2 was stable.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> heh, true
[03:34] <Riddell> and I certainly didn't test the screensaver, I've not used a screensaver since about 1993
[03:34] <Hobbsee> weird
[03:34] <Hobbsee> i did, but with lock screen
[03:34] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee & Riddell
[03:34] <Riddell> nothing beat the flying toasters is why
[03:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[03:35] <nixternal> oh lord, i stepped in on that conversation at the wrong time, because according to Riddell, "nothing beat the flying toasters"
[03:35] <nixternal> ;)
[03:35] <omeow> qt4 aren't added to the menu after i've installed them. =/
[03:35] <omeow> +packages
[03:35] <nixternal> lol
[03:36] <Hobbsee> omeow: --> malone.  which apps?
[03:36] <imbrandon_> yea Riddell i noticed that too, the qt4 designer doesnt create a kmenu entry
[03:36] <omeow> Everything that gets installed with qt4 designer.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: dad says he still doenst have the parcel yet, btw
[03:36] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, ouch ok lemme check on it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> 431 universe merges to go!  yay!
[03:37] <Hobbsee> and dad's connection is very flaky.  yuck.
[03:40] <imbrandon_> hrm Hobbsee says sceduled for delivery for today but dosent say if it has been delivered yet, so um i dunno i'll go down to the usps first thing when they open in the morning and try to get it streight, if nothing else i'll just ship them to .au ( just not overnight that would be alot of $$ )
[03:41] <imbrandon_> but standard shipping is cheap
[03:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: that would be highly horrifying, and probably pretty stupid :P
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wifi card :)
[03:41] <imbrandon_> Riddell, wifi card
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: one that i dont have to use ndiswrapper for
[03:41] <Riddell> nice
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: imbrandon_ stole your computer, and its' being shipped :P
[03:41] <imbrandon_> hahaha
[03:42] <Hobbsee> actually, wouldnt be that much difference, seeing as i've got ssh access into it anyway
[03:42] <Hobbsee> just a bit faster :P
[03:42] <imbrandon_> Riddell, since i got my iBook and have a airport card in it i dident need my other atheros that dosent need ndiswrapper so i'm ssending ti to Hobbsee ;)_
[03:43] <imbrandon_> hrm brb
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hey wow - windows live messenger thing looks nice!
[03:46] <Hobbsee> apart from the fact that it's built off windows messenger, which makes it terrible, but ignoring that fact, it actually looks pretty good
[03:46] <Riddell> what is it?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: new version of msn messenger, which they went and renamed
[03:47] <Hobbsee> and the study computer runs XP.  sometimes.  at other times, it just doesnt run.
[03:47] <nixternal> hehe
[03:47] <nixternal> Ubuntu - Let's you use the computer, not the other way around
[03:48] <Hobbsee> although, it runs pretty nicely with kubuntu hoary live cd, as long as you dont run out of space on /tmp
[03:48] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: unless you're stupid enough to use a development release early on, yes :P
[03:49] <nixternal> hehe
[03:49] <nixternal> i was working on the Ubuntu Poster Campaign earlier and we had some good ones
[03:49] <Riddell> where?
[03:49] <nixternal> Ubuntu - Linux for everyone   <- since aliens might get mad if we keep using Humans ;)
[03:50] <nixternal> Riddell: -marketing
[03:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you mean my fish can use linux now???  COOL!!!!!!!!
[03:50] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:50] <Riddell> nixternal: they stole that off kubuntu.org
[03:50] <nixternal> seems as if Canonical might be interested in a Poster Campaign and are interested in gathering slogans
[03:50] <nixternal> stole what?
[03:50] <Riddell> I knew I should have patented it
[03:51] <Riddell> that slogan
[03:51] <nixternal> lol...i said it being funny
[03:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:51] <Riddell> "Kubuntu is the GNU/Linux distribution for everyone."
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:51] <nixternal> hurry and grab it Riddell, it was me saying it being e.tarded...cuz people on earth believe there are 400million+ aliens here too
[03:51] <nixternal> lol
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:51] <nixternal> hiya bddebian
[03:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you've been watching too much dr who.
[03:51] <nixternal> nasa tv ;)
[03:52] <nixternal> Riddell: where is it posted at on Kubuntu.org?
[03:52] <nixternal> because that is a hot one, and you have dibs ;)
[03:52] <Riddell> nixternal: first paragraph, first page
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee, nixternal
[03:52] <nixternal> gah..right smack dab in front of me
[03:52] <imbrandon_> nixternal, big bold first paragraph
[03:53] <Riddell> nah, doctor who's on topic here.  I like it too :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:53] <Hobbsee> the definition of on topic varies :P
[03:55] <Riddell> best episode ever just happened, cybermen and daleks and killing Rose, all good stuff
[03:55] <Hobbsee> nooo!  rose cant die!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we must be a series behind you or something
[03:56] <nixternal> rofl
[03:56] <nixternal> Riddell just ruined it for ya
[03:57] <Riddell> not really
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, after ruining dr who for me, would you like to upload something?
[03:58] <nixternal> lol
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <Hobbsee> actually, i could force bddebian to do it, cos this one's not in main
[03:59] <bddebian> Nah, I quit
[03:59] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no you dont.
[03:59] <Riddell> I didn't give it away, it's a backwards episode where they entice you in by saying they're going to kill Rose
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah yes, one of those types of ones.  those movies always confused me as a kid :(
[04:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's for uploading?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2673
[04:00] <bddebian> Hobbsee: No I don't, I did :0)
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://merges.ubuntu.com/n/nip2/nip2_7.10.20.orig.tar.gz is the other link you want
[04:04] <Hobbsee> *crosses fingers*
[04:04] <Hobbsee> please let me have been paid
[04:04] <Hobbsee> nooooo!!!
[04:05] <imbrandon_> Riddell, i just seen the last ep of season 1 the other day, the new season dosent start for a few here
[04:06] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, tue == payday? heh i'll have to rember that ;)
[04:06] <Riddell> imbrandon_: there's two special editions inbetween
[04:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: tues night, yeah.  about 6pm, but i need the money now.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> and it's only midday.
[04:07] <imbrandon_> Riddell, really ? whoa, last i seen dr who transformed to another person
[04:07] <Riddell> yep
[04:07] <Riddell> uknova.com is your friend
[04:07] <imbrandon_> ahhh ;)
[04:08] <Riddell> they have a limited signup though
[04:08] <imbrandon_> got any invites ? hehe
[04:09] <Hobbsee> it'd take forever to download
[04:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Why next week?
[04:09] <Riddell> yyou just have to wait until someones membership expires
[04:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i finally applied for MOTU.
[04:09] <imbrandon_> it might be on torrentspy too, /me looks
[04:09] <imbrandon_> Riddell, what is the name of the specials ?
[04:09] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Well I'll still vouch for you
[04:09] <Hobbsee> bddebian: oh good
[04:10] <Riddell> imbrandon_: children in need and the christmas invasion
[04:10] <imbrandon_> cool thanks ;)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> so does that mean we're up to date?
[04:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, it not being christmas :)
[04:11] <Riddell> you're a series behind
[04:11] <Hobbsee> this means i should come visit and watch it or something.
[04:12] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, torrentspy has them, i'm getting them now ;)
[04:12] <imbrandon_> Riddell, so these are like in-between season 1 and 2 ?
[04:12] <Riddell> ibetween series 27 and 28 yes
[04:13] <imbrandon_> cool
[04:17] <imbrandon_> hrm Riddell you know of a place to get shell access to a compile farm for debian"ish" ( ubuntu ) systems like sf.net has, i would realy like to build my ppc debs etc alot faster than on my 800mhz lappy ;)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: find someone with a good ppc machine, and ask for ssh access?
[04:18] <imbrandon_> ;)
[04:18] <imbrandon_> heh
[04:18] <Riddell> what are you building?
[04:18] <Riddell> wait for personal package archives I guess
[04:18] <imbrandon_> Riddell, i'm doing nightly builds for the konv team
[04:18] <Riddell> nip2 uploaded Hobbsee 
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[04:19] <imbrandon_> Riddell, http://www.buntudot.org/packages/pool-dapper/konversation/  <-- and i'm adding amd64 and ppc to it, i have all three arches but my ppc box is slow ;(
[04:20] <imbrandon_> Riddell, gnight and thanks for the drwho info ;)
[04:21] <bddebian> Gnight Riddell
[04:21] <Hobbsee> night Riddell 
[04:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: it'd be cool if those nightly links could go up on kubuntu.org, i suspect
[04:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: with big labels saying FOR TESTING ONLY!
[04:22] <imbrandon_> yea they are linked on konversation.kde.org too ( with that big label )
[04:22] <imbrandon_> hehe
[04:22] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, infact the new nightlys are uploading now
[04:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: nice
[04:23] <Hobbsee> they probably fixed the bug i found :P
[04:37] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, is your edgy partition working ?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: havent got one at the moment
[04:38] <imbrandon_> ahh ok
[09:38] <freeflying|away> seaLne: you are interested in Red Flag?
[09:38] <seaLne> just to see what it was like
[09:38] <freeflying|away> seaLne: so so
[09:39] <freeflying|away> seaLne: just support chinese well, but still use kde-3.2 now
[10:31] <verwilst> euh
[10:32] <verwilst> anybody has the url for kopete packages plz? :)
[10:32] <verwilst> 0.12
[10:32] <verwilst> could it maybe be added to kubuntu.org or kopete.kde.org? ;)
[10:33] <imbrandon_> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[10:33] <imbrandon_> verwilst, this isnt the place for that next time ask in #kubuntu
[10:33] <verwilst> yeah sorry, just found it :)
[10:34] <verwilst> well, the request to add it to the site is correct here eh ;)
[10:35] <imbrandon_> most likely but Ridd*ell is asleep and he is busy with edgy atm
[10:35] <imbrandon_> but i'll forward the request for ya when he is alive
[10:35] <imbrandon_> if you like
[10:39] <verwilst> thanks :)
[10:39] <verwilst> i'll catch him here otherwise too, no prob
[10:39] <verwilst> man, macbooks rule :$
[10:40] <imbrandon_> ;) /me likes his iBook
[10:40] <verwilst> imbrandon_: just got my macbook yesterday :)
[10:40] <verwilst> it's running kubuntu now ;)
[10:40] <imbrandon_> ;)
[10:41] <imbrandon_> verwilst, there are quite a few of us apple people in #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:41] <imbrandon_> that run kubuntu ;)
[10:41] <imbrandon_> 4 or 5 that i konw of personaly
[11:14] <seaLne> Riddell: no general net access at LRL btw
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[12:24] <Riddell> seaLne: yeah :(
[12:24] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[12:24] <Hobbsee> well, evening
[12:25] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[12:26] <Riddell> hi mikix, how's the formatter?
[12:32] <seaLne> try right clicking on the chevron menu links at the top of launcpad, anyone else getting the link followed rather than browser right click menu?
[12:32] <Riddell> spooky
[12:35] <seaLne> i think Bug #52585 should be wishlist
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52585 in kde-guidance "Cant configure samba sharing" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52585
[12:36] <Riddell> seaLne: does it fix itself when you install samba?
[12:37] <seaLne> yes
[12:37] <Riddell> I'd say the bug should be changed to notifynig the user that samba needs to be installed then
[12:37] <seaLne> strangely i couldn't find a bug for it as i'm sure its been discussed before
[12:37] <Riddell> and reassigned to kcontrol
[12:38] <Hobbsee> seaLne: you're very brave
[12:39] <seaLne> yeah and it took a lot of effort to not be rude :)
[12:39] <Hobbsee> and some of those bugs are dupes of kubuntu-meta and kdebase
[12:39] <seaLne> and not even assigned to sensible packages
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:40] <insanekane> Hobbsee: are you the author of the HOWTO mentioned in your quit message ?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> insanekane: no
[12:40] <Hobbsee> i'm not
[12:40] <insanekane> k
[12:40] <Hobbsee> insanekane: why do you ask?
[12:42] <insanekane> uh well ... i'll tell you later, when things materialize
[12:42] <insanekane> i'm kind of superstituous about it
[12:42] <Hobbsee> insanekane: writing documenation or something?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> how so?
[12:43] <seaLne> Bug #52585 better now?
[12:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52585 in kcontrol "File Sharing dosen't prompt you to install samba which it requires" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52585
[12:44] <Riddell> seaLne: perfect :)
[12:44] <seaLne> the worse thing is that samba is required to configure nfs
[12:46] <Riddell> now that's strange
[02:25] <Riddell> phew
[02:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:25] <Hobbsee> it's very dark out there
[02:26] <Hobbsee> and the thought did go thru my mind of "i wonder what it would be like to drive into one of these" but i decided not to try it out :P
[02:28] <Hobbsee> oh gosh, this bug report is terrible.  52570
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where do bugs about unconfigured drives in fstab go?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ditto about non-working eject buttons?
[02:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 52570 should be kdelibs I'd say
[02:33] <Riddell> could be HAL's fault too I suppose
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought the installer dealt with creating /etc/fstab
[02:34] <Hobbsee> not kubuntu specific stuff
[02:34] <Riddell> it does
[02:34] <jjesse> morning :)
[02:34] <Riddell> so debian-installer for broken default fstab
[02:34] <Riddell> kdelibs for not ejecting
[02:34] <Riddell> hi jjesse 
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right, i'm just confusing myself, yeah.
[02:47] <jjesse> so a Knot1 wiki page would be good, but lots of warnings that the system is VERY VERY unstable?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're not going to like this.
[02:50] <Riddell> jjesse: yes please :)
[02:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bug 43065
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43065 in kopete "kdesktop freezes often during RMB actions (dapper)" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43065
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we need to patch kdenetwork, 3.5.3 packages.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so that's now two great lots of metapackage that need recompiling.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> and stick it in our kopete 0.12 packages, too, it looks like.  i'll poke someone else for that
[02:51] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:54] <Riddell> fun
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's probably kinda important to fix that.
[03:02] <jjesse> slap him around Hobbsee
[03:02] <Hobbsee> if it's a bug about unrar/unrar-nonfree, then it does *not* belong under kubuntu-meta!
[03:03] <Hobbsee> jjesse: he's not on irc
[03:03] <Hobbsee> he's actually filing bug reports, which is good at all though
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?  there's a message on kubuntu-devel that relates to you, and looks sane
[03:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: subject?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's the only one that's come thru in the past couple of weeks
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Better explanation of how to burn CD from ISO CD image
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[03:10] <Riddell> hmm, that help page doesn't mention kubuntu
[03:10] <Riddell> jjesse, robotgeek: recon we could get some kubuntu content on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto ?
[03:10] <jjesse> sure can
[03:10] <jjesse> i'll sick nixternal
[03:10] <jjesse> on it
[03:10] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:11] <jjesse> he's always looking for stuff to do
[03:11] <linuxmonkey> jjesse: we'll probably sick it on me
[03:11] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:11] <jjesse> linuxmonkey: that's cool if you want to take care of it
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hope thunderbird didnt eat it.
[03:12] <linuxmonkey> burning iso's...that be using the default app in kde right
[03:14] <linuxmonkey> Riddell: that would be using k3b right?
[03:15] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: yep
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> i'll take care of that now
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> :)
[03:15] <omeow> I can write the burning iso howto for kubuntu. 
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> im trhying to do more and more for kubuntu/ubuntu so i can apply for membership again later
[03:16] <linuxmonkey> omeow: i got it, im bored
[03:16] <omeow> Ok.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> please tell me that we install the dep of k3b now, otherwise k3b is worthless.s
[03:16] <omeow> linuxmonkey: Can you code? :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> that'll stop you being bored
[03:16] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:17] <Hobbsee> patches start at 00 or 01?
[03:17] <linuxmonkey> a bit not very much omeow, i havent done it in a while
[03:17] <Hobbsee> it looks like we do, good.
[03:17] <omeow> Tell you what, if you fix ark, i'll write the howto. =P
[03:17] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:17] <Hobbsee> omeow: what's wrong with ark?
[03:18] <omeow> I don't know where to start.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> omeow: yeah, true.  well what's bugging you most about it?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> apart from the fact that it crashes often.
[03:18] <omeow> Well, ark is very old.
[03:19] <omeow> But I'll find you some links.
[03:19] <omeow> http://bugs.kde.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=91556
[03:19] <omeow> http://bugs.kde.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=89238
[03:21] <omeow> I made a mockup for the progress bar.
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[03:21] <Hobbsee> omeow: do you code at all, btw?
[03:22] <omeow> Another thing that bugs me is that if I select multiple files and one of the files finishes early, all processes stop. So you're left with one fully unzipped file and the rest partially unzipped.
[03:22] <omeow> I don't code, but I'm trying to learn it.
[03:22] <omeow> So far I've only made a few mockups in qtdesigner. 
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:23] <Hobbsee> s/thinks/suspects
[03:23] <omeow> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91158
[03:23] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 91158 in general "unpacking multiple archives at the same time via context menu stops after first archive is extracted" [Normal,New]  
[03:23] <omeow> someone should modify Ubugtu to support the links I posted above. :)
[03:23] <omeow> Hobbsee: What's the ark upstream?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> omeow: the people who actually write ark
[03:24] <Hobbsee> upstream = kde, in this case
[03:24] <omeow> people still code for ark? :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hey cool! i patched this right!
[03:24] <Hobbsee> omeow: probably.  if not, take it over :P
[03:24] <omeow> But I'm not a coder.
[03:24] <abattoir> well, another thing w/ ark that i have noticed is that it doesnt do passwords well... :(
[03:24] <Hobbsee> omeow: what code are you trying to learn?
[03:25] <omeow> C++ and QT obviously.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> ark might be fun to play around with ;P
[03:25] <omeow> I doubt it.
[03:26] <linuxmonkey> done...now im bored again..lol
[03:27] <linuxmonkey> hehehe i love K3b auto checking the md5sum..lol
[03:27] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: you're really looking for stuff to do?
[03:27] <linuxmonkey> im gonna try to learn packaging tonnight
[03:28] <linuxmonkey> but yeah
[03:28] <linuxmonkey> hehehe
[03:28] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: what are you running - i386?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> and do you run kopete at all?
[03:29] <linuxmonkey> 686 and i do have the latest kopete running
[03:29] <linuxmonkey> i do have vmware too :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: nice, want to test this when it finishes building then?
[03:30] <linuxmonkey> yeah you want a fresh environment?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: not really
[03:30] <linuxmonkey> ok
[03:31] <Hobbsee> the crash is not forcable, so it's hard to test out a fix :P
[03:31] <omeow> I'm not a coder, but something tells me that it might be best to rewrite ark from scratch.
[03:31] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:31] <Hobbsee> omeow: ditto a lot of kde apps, i suspect
[03:31] <omeow> Yeah, but how old is ark, really? 
[03:31] <linuxmonkey> old
[03:31] <Hobbsee> omeow: check ark.kde.org :P
[03:31] <omeow> Didn't it come with KDE 2.0 or something?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> omeow: actually, i think it got some fixes with kde 3.5.3
[03:31] <abattoir> omeow: in pykde ;)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> abattoir: how's your SOC stuff going?
[03:32] <abattoir> !seen pygi
[03:32] <ubotu> I last saw pygi (n=pygi@83-131-241-166.adsl.net.t-com.hr) 1d 1m 10s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[03:32] <abattoir> Hobbsee: going along well...
[03:32] <omeow> Hobbsee: what kind of fixes? I'm using 3.5.3 and the program is still crap. =/
[03:32] <Hobbsee> (argh!  i cleared my cache!  no more links!)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> omeow: check the fix page
[03:32] <Hobbsee> abattoir: cool :)
[03:32] <omeow> (and ark.kde.org is a blank page)
[03:33] <abattoir> Hobbsee: Kamion has started working on the backend... and i'm working on integrating the UI w/ it
[03:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: ah, it was a guess
[03:33] <Hobbsee> abattoir: nice :)
[03:33] <omeow> Hobbsee: I see the fixes. None of my pet peeve ones are fixed though. ;)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> omeow: where are the fixes?  i seem to have lost them
[03:34] <omeow> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_2to3_5_3.php
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ahhhh....that's it
[03:35] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hey cool!  they've fixed some of our bugs!
[03:37] <linuxmonkey> lol cool
[03:37] <omeow> I hate this icon; http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/KDE/3.5/kdeutils/ark/pics/cr32-action-ark_view.png?rev=438982
[03:38] <omeow> hehe
[03:38] <linuxmonkey> chroots come as second nature now...lol
[03:39] <Hobbsee> omeow: oxygen icons in edgy, it looks like
[03:39] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: why a chroot?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ie, why not a pbuilder?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> and which chroot are you redoign?
[03:39] <linuxmonkey> hehehe
[03:40] <linuxmonkey> i was told to create chroots by imbrandon cause he was gonna teach me packaging but he never did
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hehe - you think this is requested in enough bugs?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Make media:/ mount devices over HAL.  As requested in bug 50185.   As requested in bug 105482.   As requested in bug 108823.   As requested in bug 114854.   As requested in bug 120619.   As requested in bug 121833.   As requested in bug 127788.  See SVN commit 550578.
[03:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50185 in linux-source-2.6.15 "irda0 disappear after upgrade from 2.6.15-23" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50185
[03:40] <Hobbsee> shoulda muted Ubugtu *before* i did that
[03:41] <linuxmonkey> brb
[03:41] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: there is a packaging guide, and the debian maintainers guide.  both are quite good.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: it's not like you can "teach" packaging per se
[03:42] <insanekane> Hobbsee: welcome back
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hi insanekane :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> insanekane: you're the one talking about the glyphs bug, arent you?
[03:42] <insanekane> yep
[03:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: KPF ?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: would that be a fix to your bug?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> er, KPDF
[03:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: not at first sight ...
[03:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: ah okay
[03:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: ah no, if that is a KPDF bug ..
[03:43] <verwilst> knetworkmanager isn't too stable right? :d
[03:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: my bug is most probably in ghostscript
[03:44] <verwilst> when i try to connect to a wpa network, my whole desktop hangs
[03:44] <Hobbsee> verwilst: heh...well....it's not *that* bad
[03:44] <Hobbsee> verwilst: ouch?  that's not supposed to happen
[03:44] <verwilst> :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> verwilst: does that happen for any other networks, or just that one?
[03:44] <verwilst> let me try for another one
[03:45] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:47] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:47] <linuxmonkey> wassup bddebian
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi linuxmonkey
[03:52] <omeow> I 'm having trouble navigating launchpad. 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> omeow: what were you looking for?
[03:52] <omeow> I can only find recent specifications. Where can I find a list of all specifications?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[03:54] <linuxmonkey> lol i got 95 karma .lol
[03:54] <verwilst_> happened again
[03:54] <verwilst_> 28%: configuring connection or device or something
[03:54] <verwilst_> and everything hangs
[03:54] <verwilst_> only my time keeps updating and i can move my mouse
[03:57] <Hobbsee> verwilst_: what sort of wireless card is this, ie what chipset, and do you use ndiswrapper for it?
[03:58] <Riddell> nothing
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh good
[04:00] <Hobbsee> say what? can someone else deny this?  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52634
[04:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52634 in kdebase "User authentication for SMB and ftp does not work through dialogbox" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[04:00] <linuxmonkey> except the Hobbsee hot or not question that we asked Riddell
[04:00] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:00] <Hobbsee> well, according to some of the customers at work last night...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> so what did Riddell say, if you asked him that :P
[04:01] <linuxmonkey> he said due to his role here that he had to stay unbias
[04:01] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hahahaha!
[04:01] <linuxmonkey> just messing with ya Hobbsee
[04:02] <verwilst_> Hobbsee: Atheros
[04:02] <Hobbsee> verwilst_: hmmm okay
[04:02] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: i knew you were - i just wanted to see how well you'd dig yourself out of your hole :P
[04:03] <linuxmonkey> i dig quite well...lol
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:03] <Hobbsee> so i see
[04:05] <linuxmonkey> lol
[04:05] <omeow> http://www.longhornblogs.com/robert/archive/2006/07/05/Windows_Vista_Bug_Analysis.aspx
[04:06] <linuxmonkey> see how many they closed cause MS calls em Features...lol
[04:06] <omeow> Maybe their testers don't know what a bug is.
[04:07] <omeow> And closing is not resolving.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> omeow: have you never seen how stupid some bugs are?
[04:07] <omeow> All the time.
[04:09] <linuxmonkey> i found a bug were an icon would show up 3 times in the control panel and was verified by alot of other testers and msg just closed it instead of marking it resolved when they fixed it
[04:10] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: well, both work, the end result, ie, the bugs not shown in the buglist, is the same
[04:11] <linuxmonkey> its called MS covering up their programmers work
[04:11] <linuxmonkey> but anyways ennought about ms...hows that compile going Hobbsee
[04:12] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: it's still going.  and a merge is still downloading.
[04:12] <linuxmonkey> so whats this you wanted to teach me?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> good - quick learners are useful :P
[04:16] <linuxmonkey> lol ok cool
[04:16] <linuxmonkey> ive read part of it before
[04:17] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: read most/all of it - even if you dont understand it all, you'll get a fairly good idea
[04:18] <Hobbsee> the syncs and merges stuff is what we're doing at the moment
[04:18] <linuxmonkey> ok cool im gonna go take a shower real quick and ill read it front to back twice to make sure i know it
[04:19] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: heh - like i say, you dont have to memorise all of it - just get the idea of what's happening
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, and ask about any bits you dont
[04:20] <linuxmonkey> be right back in 10 minutes...lol omg cops are out side a house near by and the newscrews are there too
[04:22] <Hobbsee> oh yeah...who were our doco people looking to help us out?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> the java/restricted page needs work - it's not obvious enough that multiverse is needed, and it needs an explanation about how multiverse backports are not the same as multiveres
[04:24] <Riddell> omeow: we don't need a new burning CD howto, just a kubuntu section in the existing one
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: jjesse said nixternal 
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[04:25] <jjesse> yeah, i wasg oing to ask nixternal when he comes online :)
[04:25] <linuxmonkey> Riddell: i added a section on the iso burning how-to as was requested
[04:25] <jjesse> oh then we don't need nixternal
[04:26] <omeow> Riddell: I know.
[04:26] <Riddell> great, thanks linuxmonkey 
[04:26] <jjesse> linuxmonkey: it looks great, nice job
[04:31] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: able to do that java/restricted changes Hobbsee was suggesting?
[04:40] <linuxmonkey> omg police raided a house nearby and it was over drugs/stolen cars, prostitution
[04:41] <Hobbsee> eek
[04:41] <jjesse> hopefully none involved you :P
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:41] <linuxmonkey> nope
[04:41] <linuxmonkey> but camera crews are on my front lawn
[04:41] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: www.buntudot.org/~hobbsee/ should give you the link to the new kopete .deb for testing
[04:45] <linuxmonkey> nope
[04:45] <linuxmonkey> just see the buntu homepage
[04:45] <verwilst> Hobbsee: did you code knetworkmanager?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> verwilst: no
[04:45] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/ sorry
[04:46] <linuxmonkey> yeah i figured that out
[04:46] <verwilst> too bad wlassistant doesn't support wpa
[04:46] <Hobbsee> verwilst: you can run wpa manually thru wpa_ thingo
[04:46] <Hobbsee> (argh, forgotten it's name)
[04:46] <linuxmonkey> do i need to remove my kopete .12 before installing your deb
[04:46] <Hobbsee> wpa_assistant
[04:47] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: no
[04:47] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: it'll install over the top
[04:47] <linuxmonkey> k
[04:47] <linuxmonkey> brb talking to my friend in afganistan
[04:54] <linuxmonkey> ok
[04:55] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: installing
[04:56] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: works to my knowledge
[04:57] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: okay, so it hasnt seemed to break anything major
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[04:59] <linuxmonkey> nah i dont think it broke anything
[05:00] <linuxmonkey> what ya patch?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: kopete auto away - kde fixed it, i just committed it to our packages
[05:00] <linuxmonkey> adept lately been acting up, sticking at 99% then finishing after a bit
[05:00] <Hobbsee> it'll have to go into kdenetwork packages eventually as well
[05:01] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[05:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm  looking for a sponsor for egoboo, and advising you of a patch that will need to go against the kopete 0.12 packages, which i think imbrandon can take my debdiff, then build the packages, unless you want to
[05:06] <Hobbsee> (darn my slow upload speed!  it's PAINFUL!)
[05:07] <Riddell> egboo on revu?
[05:07] <Riddell> kopete seems to be stuck in NEW, can't do much to it until it gets through
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2675
[05:10] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, so it did get uploaded.  what's happening with that and kde 3.5.4 - do they distribute kopete 0.12?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[05:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: KDE 3.5.4 will have the old kopete, so I'll disable it from our packages
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right, okay
[05:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: uploaded egoboo
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[05:15] <linuxmonkey> lol
[05:16] <linuxmonkey> brb got stuff to dom wont be long
[05:16] <linuxmonkey> dom=do,
[05:16] <Hobbsee> oh yes
[05:16] <Hobbsee> !logs
[05:16] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:25] <Hobbsee> argh - it looks like they're turning down *a lot* of people applying for core-dev or MOTU.
[05:27] <linuxmonkey> lol
[05:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: given you've done more kubuntu universe merges than anyone else I'd be very disapointed if they turned you down
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i have?
[05:29] <Riddell> well can't be far off
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: actually, i'd be second to you, i expect.  i'd win the kde universe challenge.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> wow, that list grew!  https://launchpad.net/people/hobbsee/+packages
[05:30] <bddebian> Nah, turn her down! :-)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: only 29 for edgy so far.  not that many :P
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised i could find uploaders for that many
[05:30] <bddebian> heh
[05:30] <linuxmonkey> lol
[05:30] <Hobbsee> and that's not counting all the syncs.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> and 49 for dapper.  still not that many :P
[05:33] <allee> Hobbsee for President!
[05:33] <Hobbsee> allee: president?   of what???
[05:33] <bddebian> Hmm scary:  https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+packages
[05:33] <allee> Pick your favorite ;)  you are underrated as a plain MOTU
[05:34] <Hobbsee> allee: of kubuntu?  that'd be cool.  i could boss everyone around, and coordinate everything.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> just as a pipe dream
[05:35] <Hobbsee> if there were a kubuntu version of it, in a few years, when i'm not at uni.  
[05:35] <Hobbsee> or if i could do it while studying?   hmm.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> [/dream] 
[05:35] <bddebian> heh
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how so?
[05:36] <linuxmonkey> lol
[05:36] <Riddell> him being the current community outreach person for Ubuntu
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i dont ever think i'd have hair like him though :P
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhhh...i'm more interested in coordinating kubuntu from the inside, as i think you might have noticed
[05:36] <allee> pictures please
[05:36] <Riddell> that Wolverine style might suit you
[05:37] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:37] <bddebian> ha
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not sure that that would work too well - me being the community outreach person - i'm actually kinda shy with large groups of people i dotn know :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> allee: you want pictures of jdub?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> someone posted one a while ago - it was so close
[05:41] <allee> Hobbsee: :(
[05:41] <verwilst> when i put in an external HD with an ext3 partition, i get access denied when trying to write to it
[05:41] <verwilst> pretty sucky :(
[05:41] <Hobbsee> allee: maybe next time.
[05:41] <verwilst> ( as normal user )
[05:41] <allee> Hobbsee: Looking forward to it :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> allee: heh.  well, i'm going back there on the 28th, so maybe :P
[05:43] <Hobbsee> if i dont get lost, and end up in bondi again (ouch!)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> allee: only pictures i have are of another meetup we had  - http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/photos/hobbsee_ajmitch-030706/
[05:46] <Hobbsee> allee: and no, i dotn have red eyes in real life, and no, they cant be posted outside this room, etc.
[05:52] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee:  lol so allee cant post em,.../me is thinking of buntudot :) lol j/k
[05:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:04] <allee> Hobbsee: and yes digikam fix your left eye perfectly and no the right is too red for the alghorightm ;)
[06:04] <allee> Hobbsee: and thx
[06:04] <Hobbsee> allee: hehe, thought so :P
[06:04] <Hobbsee> and the fact that i look crosseyed in that shot :(
[06:04] <Hobbsee> or maybe it was the shots on the other camera that i looked crosseyed.
[06:05] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah. No this shot is fine
[06:05] <allee> Hobbsee: what meeting was it?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> allee: just meeting up with ubuntu type people while ajmitch was here
[06:07] <Riddell> allee: do you always have to add your camera explicity in digikam?
[06:08] <allee> Hobbsee: nice.  Maybe I should check how to invite German (k)ubuntu in bavaria to our meetings
[06:08] <Hobbsee> hehe sounds like fun
[06:08] <allee> Riddell: Yes in debian/kubuntu. But I diabled the media-feature for 0.8.2.  To many cornercases that do not work
[06:09] <allee> Riddell: 0.9 will be much more solid (0.9-beta1 tommorrow when I've time for it)
[06:10] <allee> Hobbsee: ah, ajmitch is suddenly very sympathic :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> allee: huh?  how so?
[06:11] <allee> Hobbsee: didn't he tease you?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> allee: yeah.  and tickled my feet.  grumble grumble.
[06:12] <linuxmonkey> hey is there a way to place a large order for cd's but have different ones like ubuntu/kubuntu in the same order 
[06:13] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: just place two orders, they'll be put together
[06:13] <linuxmonkey> kk
[06:16] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:16] <Hobbsee> somehow it's got to be 2.16am.
[06:16] <Riddell> sleep well Hobbsee 
[06:17] <linuxmonkey> night? its only 1:17pm here
[06:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will do.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: heh, you have a nice timezone.
[06:17] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:18] <linuxmonkey> id say something but it be against the CoC so I wont
[06:19] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: you'd be very wise, but i'm kinda curious tohear what it is now.
[06:19] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:19] <Hobbsee> allee: hehe!!!  now i get PURPLE EYES!!!!  AWESOME!!!
[06:19] <Hobbsee> well, one purple eye!
[06:20] <Hobbsee> then the potassium permanganate wore off.  how sad :P
[06:21] <allee> Hobbsee: yeah, the right eye needs some love with gimp
[06:22] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: not me - i dont do chem anymore.  and i only ever ordered around my lab partners to get the pracs done quicker :P
[06:22] <linuxmonkey> chemistry is fun, especially when it goes BOOM!!!
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:23] <allee> Hobbsee: send me a picture of your fingers and I fix it too ;)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> we never made stuff go boom :(
[06:23] <Hobbsee> allee: heh, they're back to normal now
[06:23] <linuxmonkey> i almost blew up our high schools chem lab..lol thank god i graduated..lol
[06:23] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:24] <Hobbsee> which is a bit odd, seeing as people get this weird idea that i'm a pyromaniac
[06:25] <Hobbsee> (hey!  i only set the kitchen on fire once!)
[06:26] <linuxmonkey> our chem teacher was a licenced pyro
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:27] <linuxmonkey> lol so ya.....he made his own c4 and stuff like that at home
[06:27] <Hobbsee> someone at my uni was building a ball and stick molecule thingo of the main ingredient of pot - why not? :P
[06:27] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:28] <linuxmonkey> didnt u say you were going to bed..lol
[06:28] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  i said i was going to bed, didnt i?
[06:28] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: ima read up on that link u sent me and get back to ya when im done
[06:28] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: okay.  did you see my doco request earlier too?
[06:29] <linuxmonkey> about java?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> the one about java/restricted making it explicit that you have to have mutliverse enabled first, and that multiveres backports != mutliverse
[06:29] <linuxmonkey> yeah i'll do that, its writtent on my to-do board
[06:29] <Hobbsee> *uses one hand as ice for the other wrist.  nice.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: cool :)
[06:30] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52634 in kdebase "User authentication for SMB and ftp does not work through dialogbox" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52634
[06:42] <allee> Riddel: saw your kipi-plugins status change.  FWIW: new 0.1.2 released and -1 uploaded to debian
[06:42] <Riddell> allee: is it in the archives yet?
[06:43] <allee> uhm, only check the build status ...
[06:44] <slomo> hi, is anybody here interested in merging xine-lib 1.1.2? there's a bzr branch for it and in general the most work is needed for splitting it into xine-lib (libxine-main1 and -dev) and xine-extracodecs again
[06:44] <Riddell> allee: any plans to update libkexif?
[06:44] <allee> Riddell: no still in http://incoming.debian.org/
[06:45] <allee> ^^ kipi-plugins
[06:45] <Riddell> slomo: I guess I'll take it, where's the bzr branch?
[06:46] <allee> Riddell: I've lost track what has to be done.  Too busy lately 
[06:46] <slomo> Riddell: many thanks :) all branches are at http://siretart.tauware.de/xine.repo/ and on launchpad but if you need help with the branches better ask siretart
[06:47] <Riddell> allee: libkipi is up to date, it's libkexif that has a new release
[06:48] <allee> Riddell: oh, afair this include only a fix and kubuntu/debina pkgs has it.   checking ...
[06:48] <slomo> Riddell: if you need help with the splitting feel free to ask me. i've done that for dapper
[06:55] <allee> Riddell: I was right: 0.2.4-1 is identical to 0.2.3-2 from code side of view.  So it can be directly synced or stay with 0.2.3-2
[06:56] <Riddell> allee: I'll not loose any sleep over it then :)
[06:56] <allee> Riddell: heh ;)
[07:45] <allee> grmbl.  new motherboard. after that eth0 ethernet was eth2. Rebooted now eth1 (wireless) and eth2 are exchanged and networkmanger refused to connect :(  Is there a file that keeps track of mac -> ethX mapping?
[07:47] <uniq>  /etc/iftab
[07:47] <uniq> should work.
[07:47] <uniq> 'man iftab'
[07:48] <allee> uniq: oh, 'old-fashioned' iftab still supported? not replaced by udev.  cute
[07:49] <uniq> udev supports iftab as far as i can tell.
[07:50] <uniq> i actually use it. and it works.
[07:51] <allee> thx
[07:52] <Tonio_> hey !
[07:52] <uniq> you're welcome.
[07:52] <uniq> hi tonio_.
[07:53] <Tonio_> I'm a bit lost with those new commercial repos in canonical
[07:53] <Tonio_> heard about the news ?
[07:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: Opera is in them yes
[07:53] <Tonio_> isn't that going to duplicate "restricted" branch ?
[07:53] <Riddell> restricted can be copied
[07:53] <Tonio_> opera is no more commercial than nvidia drivers
[07:53] <Tonio_> the point is I don't understand why not simply had them in restricted....
[07:54] <Riddell> because you have to agree to the licence for opera (and the other company's software that canonical is trying to get)
[07:54] <Riddell> and because commercial can't be mirrored
[07:54] <Tonio_> ah okay
[07:54] <linuxmonkey> you go Riddell
[07:54] <Tonio_> so technically java should go in the same repo ?
[07:54] <uniq> does commercial inculde the opera ppc version yet? 
[07:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can mirror java, their licence change allows for that
[07:55] <uniq> i must say, opera is fast.
[07:55] <Tonio_> ah ok the mirroring restriction is in the licence !
[07:55] <Riddell> yes
[07:55] <Tonio_> that's the good response, thanks
[07:56] <Tonio_> linux extremists will get hill reading this, but that's a good news, it'll make people's life easier
[07:56] <Tonio_> ho Riddell toma shown me a very nice hidden setting in konqueror ;)
[07:56] <Tonio_> I will probably had it in edgy
[07:57] <uniq> what hidden setting?
[07:57] <Tonio_> it changes the tab icon to close button while hovering it
[07:57] <Tonio_> that's something pissing me off sometimes with konq
[07:57] <Riddell> hmm, that was very badly done when tabs were first added to konqueror
[07:58] <Riddell> does it have a delay still?
[07:58] <uniq> I don't linke things that change on hover. :] 
[07:58] <Tonio_> unfortunately yes
[07:58] <Riddell> I always found that very confusing
[07:58] <Tonio_> but the delay is not more than half a second
[07:58] <Tonio_> maybe that can be patched...
[07:59] <Tonio_> I still have to patch kicker for the size, so I will have a look at all of this when universe merge is done...
[08:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you be okay for kds inclusion if we can patch to avoid the delay ?
[08:01] <uniq> tonio_: what is the setting? how to enable this? 
[08:02] <Tonio_> uniq: in konquerorrc 
[08:02] <Tonio_> [FMSettings] 
[08:02] <Tonio_> HoverCloseButton=true
[08:03] <uniq> thanks.
[08:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, I'd have to try it and see, I've not had that option on for some years now :)
[08:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we schedule a new kubuntu meeting to discuss the statement of merging, new aps it would be interesting to get in universe etc.... ?
[08:08] <Tonio_> there are lots of things to be done and since most things in kde will not change since we may release with the same kde version, we should focus on this maybe...
[08:09] <uniq> hmm.. at first glance the close button now is at the left side of the tab.. 
[08:09] <Tonio_> uniq: yes it replaces the website's icon
[08:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and a good news, I may have find a coder for oskar's gui :)
[08:11] <uniq> firefox and opera got the close button on the right side of the tab.
[08:11] <Tonio_> uniq: yes, because they are fixed buttons....
[08:12] <Tonio_> uniq: there is an extension (very popular) that does the same than the konq setting
[08:12] <Tonio_> and I must say neither firefox nore opera are kde apps...
[08:12] <Tonio_> they have different usability, and having something different doesn't meen better
[08:13] <Tonio_> I am not a fan o opera usability for example....
[08:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: meeting is scheduled for next week
[08:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: oups, I missed this.... shame on me
[08:13] <Riddell> monday, 13:00UTC
[08:13] <Tonio_> hard for me actually, since I'm living my job, appartment etc...
[08:13] <Tonio_> argh !!!! I may not be there (working)
[08:14] <Tonio_> why that early time ?
[08:14] <allee> Tonio_: there are kubunteros on the other side of the world
[08:15] <Tonio_> allee: true, but I am not, and since I'm a big egotist, I cannot accept this !!! ^^
[08:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's an experiment to be nice to jjesse and hobbsee
[08:16] <uniq> tonio_: does other tabbed KDE apps have this option or feature for their tabs? 
[08:16] <Tonio_> okay, I will install an ssh tunnel and hope the firewall will not find the trick before the end of the meeting :)
[08:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and seriously, I approve
[08:16] <Riddell> we probably won't repeat it for a while
[08:17] <allee> phew
[08:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: they generally wake up in the night to be there, so I wouldn't mind 30% of the meetings beeing during the day
[08:17] <Tonio_> that's perfectly understabdable
[08:17] <Tonio_> uniq: dunno
[08:18] <Tonio_> but since most tabed aps don't have icons on them, probably not
[08:19] <Tonio_> allee: are you a motu now ? I am not sure, and since I may have a few reviewto asks for next week....
[08:19] <uniq> Atleast we should try to have the close button on the same side of the tab for  most apps. I would find it strange and confusing if not.
[08:20] <Tonio_> uniq: hum....kopete and konversation optionnal close button is on the left by default afaik
[08:20] <allee> Tonio_: no.  And I've had sadly almost no time for kubuntu/OS in the last weeks. 
[08:20] <Tonio_> uniq: am I wrong (can be since I'm not using them)
[08:20] <toma> uniq: that would mean moving the favicon to the right as well....
[08:21] <Tonio_> toma: good point ;)
[08:21] <toma> kscope does hover/close the same way by the way.
[08:21] <toma> you need to patch that as well
[08:21] <toma> i really dont see a need to do that
[08:21] <Tonio_> toma: is there an easy way to reduce the delay ??? or do we have to patch kdebase
[08:21] <toma> which delay?
[08:21] <Tonio_> allee: okay.... will you try motu soon ? you really should now
[08:21] <uniq> toma: or drop the setting by default :)
[08:21] <Tonio_> toma: the close button  isn't immediately clickable
[08:22] <Tonio_> you have to wait for just less than a second
[08:22] <allee> Tonio_: compromise: I'll try as soon as you have an alioth account ;)
[08:22] <toma> Tonio_: never noticed that to be honest
[08:22] <Tonio_> allee: hahaha
[08:22] <Tonio_> allee: I know it is not nice to say, but I may never get it
[08:23] <Tonio_> probably because I (sadly) do not want to contribute to debian
[08:23] <toma> allee: why dont we set alioth on the agenda for the next meeting. it really saves time when kde-extra's is maintained in one place
[08:23] <Tonio_> I had bad experience with debian DDs and debian gurus in my life, although I know it is not the average
[08:24] <toma> Tonio_: for kde-extra's i only have good experiences
[08:24] <allee> Tonio_: I'm lazy.  I don't use debian anymore but adding to debian pkgs usually get it straight into kubuntu without merge whatever
[08:24] <Tonio_> so my actual feeling is to contribute to ubuntu
[08:24] <Tonio_> if debian is interested in my work, they can take it, ask for help to port it to debian or anything
[08:24] <Tonio_> but they generally don't give a shit on ubuntu's work...
[08:25] <Tonio_> I sent recently a bunch of patches to debian maintainers, I didn't even got an answer....
[08:25] <allee> Tonio_: they accept all my patches! :)
[08:25] <Tonio_> I may not have a lot of chance on that point...
[08:25] <allee> Tonio_: oh, shame.  Which pkgs?
[08:26] <Tonio_> allee: honnestly I don't remember.... 2 of my universe packages.... probably klibido and I'm not sure the other one
[08:26] <Tonio_> and well, I prefer to get my patches upstream than in debian
[08:26] <Tonio_> it is usefull for everyone
[08:27] <Tonio_> so contributing, maintaing relationship with debian, upstreams etc....
[08:27] <Tonio_> that make the work very heavy... I have to make shortcuts :)
[08:27] <Tonio_> upstream generally accept patches, so they get in debian one day ;)
[08:28] <Tonio_> it is almost the same except I'm doing the thing once and for all :)
[08:28] <toma> Tonio_: i believe in maintanance in one spot. and for the alioth packages that is possible
[08:29] <Tonio_> allee: I'm not certain of this, but with certain DDs, and @ubuntu.com email address means "I will not answer this"
[08:29] <Tonio_> toma: yes, that would be nice, but I would have to force myself for this...
[08:29] <toma> the change made to rsibreak yesterday in ubuntu means: me making the same change in debian and requesting a sync for the next version, which a motu has to approve and a archiver to actuallty sync. All could have preventing by making the initial change in alioth.
[08:29] <Tonio_> I don't flame debian, but I'm not fine with their spirit sometimes
[08:30] <allee> Tonio_: I have almos only experience with pkg-kde-extras.  And there the relation is very good.  Sponsored usually betwen 0-1 days  delay
[08:31] <Tonio_> toma: we currently take most of what we can from debian
[08:31] <Tonio_> if debian wants the work done on ubuntu, they can
[08:31] <Tonio_> we had a knetworkmanager package way before debian for example
[08:31] <Tonio_> did they took it ? no, they did it from scratch...
[08:32] <Riddell> testers needed for   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-152/ dapper main
[08:32] <toma> tonio, fine, then we need debian to sync from ubuntu. In any case, i dont want to do the same work twice.
[08:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: no time for this today, but I will test soon
[08:32] <Tonio_> toma: I agree on that point
[08:32] <Tonio_> toma: don't get me wrong, my feeling is just because I had unfortunately bad experience on that point
[08:33] <Tonio_> but I perfectly understand my arguments can sound stupid to those who are used to work that way with a good experience
[08:33] <toma> and since allee and i do kde-extra's in debian we need to discuss this sooner or later
[08:34] <uniq> riddell: ppc packages? 
[08:34] <uniq> nevermind,  downloading.
[08:34] <Tonio_> toma: the idea of a common base for debian folders is, I admit, the best
[08:34] <Tonio_> but I'm not sure debian is ready to open the door to work together
[08:34] <allee> Tonio_: right. If an DD is an idiot -> Ignore him/her.  If not, we'll working/corrdinating together saves time.
[08:35] <Tonio_> so maybe bi-directionnal syncing is the most reasonable thing to do
[08:35] <Tonio_> allee: that's true ;)
[08:35] <Tonio_> allee: in one month I will be without any job for at least 6 month
[08:35] <Tonio_> allee: I will have more time, maybe, to think about this
[08:36] <toma> ah, i messed up with kscope and the kipi-plugins on one day?
[08:36] <toma> gosh. time to get back to hacking for a while
[08:36] <Tonio_> at the moment my time is limited, so I'm focussing on my second wife -> kubuntu
[08:36] <allee> Tonio_: that's fair and appreciateed :)
[08:37] <Tonio_> allee: but as long as I can, I use debian's work to avoid duplicate stuff, it would be stupid to do in another way, I agree
[08:38] <toma> Riddell: did you fix kscope for me?
[08:38] <allee> toma: btw. I've not see your  4 digikam* 0.8.2 tarballs on digikam-devel.  What blocks it?
[08:39] <toma> allee: you writing a mail ? ;-)
[08:39] <Tonio_> hum.... kmenu drives me nuts sometimes
[08:39] <Tonio_> should we patch apt in a way to, while using kde, perform a kbuildsyscoca
[08:39] <Tonio_> ?
[08:39] <Tonio_> how can I explain to someone that he has to reload kde to get the kmenu shortcuts in it ?
[08:40] <allee> ah, oh.  I missed that (as usual in last time).  Well I've to run.  I ping you when I'm back (maybe) later
[08:40] <toma> press ctrl-alt-backspace and try again
[08:41] <Tonio_> toma: or maybe we can run a kbuidsyscoca every 5 minutes in the background I don't know
[08:41] <Tonio_> but the actual result look very static....
[08:41] <Tonio_> sometimes it works, sometimes not
[08:41] <allee> Tonio_: dh_kde and postinst ;)
[08:41] <allee> bbl
[08:42] <Tonio_> allee: well, should we do that for every application ?
[08:42] <Tonio_> that should be managed by the package manager in my view
[08:42] <Tonio_> I don't know if gnome has the same issue
[08:49] <Riddell> toma: nope
[08:52] <toma> Riddell: ok, I'll make a new set
[08:54] <linuxmonkey> Riddell:  was it you that was speaking to hobbsee about the java page?
[08:58] <linuxmonkey> if it was I added a blurp on the top of the page with the Prerequisites
[09:07] <toma> Riddell: kubuntu.omat.nl - docbooc2x dep added
[09:15] <toma> why is amarok launched when i want to listen to a voicemail... grumble.
[09:16] <toma> allee: ping
[10:10] <Tonio_> toma: pfiuuuuu, k9copy gave me hard time, but it might get upload in a few minutes
[10:10] <Tonio_> toma: thanks for the help once again
[10:12] <toma> Tonio_: np
[10:13] <Tonio_> I will not forget that trick soon ;)
[10:13] <Tonio_> toma: but I just have a little question
[10:13] <Tonio_> has the patch to go upstream ?
[10:13] <Tonio_> it work while locally copmpiling...
[10:14] <toma> no, no need. 
[10:14] <Tonio_> so is it really a bug in the code or a pbuilder/debuild trick ?
[10:14] <toma> they should fix compilation srcdir!=builddir in general
[10:14] <Tonio_> okay, that was my feeling but I prefer someone to confirm
[10:14] <toma> with this patch srcdir=builddir is broken
[10:14] <Tonio_> toma: so I probably should send a comment to upstream
[10:14] <toma> true
[10:15] <Tonio_> will do
[10:15] <toma> but please let them remove k9pot.pot or whatever from their makefile target. that is weird
[10:16] <Tonio_> yes I patched this....
[10:16] <Tonio_> I was just about to send the patch to upstream
[10:16] <Tonio_> so I may also tell him to be carefull with srcdir and builddir
[10:20] <Riddell> toma: thanks, uploaded
[10:34] <toma> np
[10:43] <Riddell> \sh_away: ktorrent failed on extracting the .po files, you'll need to rm -f that file 
[10:46] <pygi> kwwii, :)
[10:46] <kwwii> howdy pygi
[10:46] <pygi> how is it going? :)
[10:47] <kwwii> good
[10:47] <kwwii> dude, this interface is pretty complicated
[10:47] <pygi> kwwii, tell me about it ^_^
[10:47] <kwwii> I will send you some first ideas probably tomorrow, and then I can try to explain to you what I did :p
[10:48] <pygi> :p K, very nice :)
[11:00] <toma> Riddell: is it easy to split a orig.tar to multiple language dpkgs?
[11:00] <Riddell> toma: I don't follow
[11:00] <Riddell> toma: what needs split?
[11:01] <toma> i'm thinking of the doc packages of digikam
[11:01] <toma> they are > 35mb 
[11:01] <toma> i'm tempted to split them per language
[11:01] <toma> but not sure of the consequences
[11:01] <Riddell> toma: that wouldn't get past the ftpmasters
[11:02] <Riddell> toma: splitting languages for each app into different packages would result in tens of thousands of more packages which would slow apt to a crawl
[11:03] <Riddell> toma: you can split off a digikam-doc of course, but that doesn't really solve your problem
[11:03] <Riddell> toma: what we need is some way to extract docs into language packs
[11:03] <toma> Riddell: there is already a separate doc package
[11:03] <Riddell> right
[11:04] <toma> okido. I was just thinking about the poor users, downloading a lot of stuff unneeded
[11:05] <Riddell> toma: yeah, that's why we have language packs.  I don't see any sensible short term solution and the correct long term solution is to have a language-pack-kde-docs
[11:05] <Riddell> for each language
[11:06] <toma> Riddell: ok, that langpack will also have extragear docs?
[11:06] <Riddell> toma: yes
[11:07] <Riddell> just like the current language pack has all the relevant .mo files
[11:07] <toma> Riddell: ok, that can become pretty large as well
[11:07] <toma> ah well, it will always be much
[11:08] <toma> however we pack it
[11:08] <Riddell> toma: it wouldn't be on the CD, you'd download the relevent one with language-selector or during install
[11:08] <toma> ah, right
[11:10] <Riddell> thanks for sticking up for me :)
[11:10] <bddebian> heh
[11:14] <toma> Riddell: hehe, just tried to bring another angle in the discussion, but that failed ;-)
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: are there any plans for beagle inclusion in ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[11:16] <toma> Riddell: i recall similar reactions to linspires system couple of years back
[11:18] <toma> Riddell: i think they would like such a system under kde's control
[11:19] <Riddell> toma: having a web frontend to the kde translations would be interesting, but it wouldn't make rosetta redundant.  for that to happen there would need to be a global free software translation project that all software could use
[11:20] <toma> hmm, yes
[11:24] <Lure> Tonio_: beagle/kerry is in universe, but is a big bloat - have used it for some time, but is disk and cpu hungry - I hope kat/kitten/stringi or tracker can replace it soon
[11:25] <Tonio_> Lure: is the issue with beagle or kerry ?
[11:25] <Lure> Tonio_: beagle/mono - kerry is just simple GUI
[11:25] <Tonio_> I assume beagle, but maybe that's the kerry's usage of beagle that is not optimised....
[11:26] <Lure> Tonio_: SuSE uses it by default in 10.1 and lots of users are complaining (but it get good review feedbacks)
[11:28] <Tonio_> Lure: lots of users are simply complaining about latest suse :)
[11:28] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager by default is causing lots of trouble too
[11:29] <Tonio_> people that are testing distros should use it at least a month, because a simple 2 hours test doesn't reveal (except bugs) big concept issues
[11:29] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly, this is why we should be careful even for edgy - I am not so much concerned about breaking something as it will be harder to switch later if we decide 
[11:30] <Tonio_> Lure: we will be able to start discussing knetworkmanager only when it'll allow ip settings
[11:30] <Tonio_> and that's not for tomorrow
[11:30] <Tonio_> I'm following kwlan very closelly
[11:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: dunno, I'm not very keen on having mono on the kubuntu CD though
[11:31] <Tonio_> that's probably the default wireless manger for edgy if upstream continues the good improvements on it
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay it was just to know ;)
[11:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: feel free to package strigi.  seems jpatrick is being slow :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> and btw, if we include such a tool, I think a pure kde app is better
[11:31] <uniq> i've found beagle slow, atleast on my machine..
[11:31] <Tonio_> since afaik, the beagle package still depends gtk libs
[11:31] <Tonio_> unless it has (finally) been splitted
[11:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: actually isn't there a 0.2 version of kerry out we should package?
[11:32] <pygi> Riddell, poke, I wanna bug you again :)
[11:32] <Riddell> pygi: hi
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a beta
[11:32] <Tonio_> depends on the stability....
[11:32] <pygi> hi Riddell, you have a bit of time?
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was looking at kbeaglebar which looks nice too :)
[11:32] <erov> the search, tonio?
[11:33] <Tonio_> erov: you mean ?
[11:33] <erov> the desktop search bar, i read about it briefly.. trying to refresh my own mind
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kbeaglebar is a kicker applet, which is a nice approach for this kind of tools
[11:33] <Tonio_> erov: yes that's it
[11:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: well we have kerry 0.1 packaged, we should update it to 0.2
[11:33] <Riddell> pygi: a bit yes
[11:34] <pygi> Riddell, it's regarding the KDE frontend to Smart thingy
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you fine with beta versions ?
[11:34] <Tonio_> if yes, I'll do it...
[11:34] <Tonio_> I'm just working on klamav.... it is not the easiest to merge....
[11:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think kerry has a low enough number we can take whatever version is there
[11:35] <Riddell> pygi: yes please
[11:35] <pygi> Riddell, what's the priority of that? 
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, let's go then !
[11:35] <Riddell> pygi: not high, but would be handy to have
[11:35] <Tonio_> still 10 merges, and I'll attack the new packages....
[11:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: you rock :)
[11:35] <pygi> Riddell, ah, edgy+1 timeframe?
[11:35] <Riddell> pygi: I've no plans to work on it
[11:36] <Riddell> pygi: but python-qt4 is in the archive now so if someone else wants to start that would be cool
[11:36] <pygi> well, I am just wondering ^_^ I thought there was plans to replace Adept with Smart-KDE
[11:36] <pygi> Riddell, I am wrong obviously?
[11:38] <Riddell> there's not been any such plan
[11:38] <pygi> ok, so I am wrong as usual
[11:38] <Riddell> there was an idea to start using smart in ubuntu, at which point we'd then look at how to use it in kubuntu
[11:38] <Riddell> but it seems not to be ready for much use in ubuntu so no rush on our part
[11:39] <pygi> Riddell, hm,ok, thanks for your time ^_^
[11:39] <Riddell> s/start/smart/
[11:39] <Riddell> or not
[11:39] <pygi> :P
[11:39] <seaLne> smart and apt can work at the same time afaik?
[11:39] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[11:39] <Tonio_> seaLne: on the paper yes :)
[11:40] <seaLne> heh
[11:40] <pygi> smart doesnt play nicely with sources.list :)
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's theory, but I'd like to see if it doesn't really cause any issue
[11:43] <DaSkreech> We are testing out smart?
[11:43] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: it is in project and will probably come in ubuntu one day
[11:43] <Tonio_> but I don't think in edgy
[11:43] <DaSkreech> ok