[12:10] <AndyGee> hmmm still wont install
[12:10] <AndyGee> i think i have till do a low level format???
[12:11] <AndyGee> wud that do the trick?
[12:13] <coachJ> I want to be able to use knoquor to rip to mp3 what do I get from adept?
[12:14] <RawSewage> nothing
[12:14] <RawSewage> Konq has it built in
[12:14] <RawSewage> just drag from the CD to the folder
[12:14] <coachJ> no you have to have lame or libame0 to encode
[12:15] <coachJ> dont know which
[12:15] <RawSewage> ok, do you have multiverse enabled
[12:15] <coachJ> yes
[12:15] <coachJ> i see it now on adept
[12:15] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:15] <coachJ> think I have those
[12:15] <coachJ> ill see
[12:15] <RawSewage> oh
[12:15] <RawSewage> ok, then install mplayer
[12:15] <RawSewage> nm
[12:16] <RawSewage> i have no clue lol
[12:16] <coachJ> yeah I got them some sadi get lame
[12:16] <coachJ> ill try it
[12:16] <abattoir> !info kmultimedia-kio-plugins
[12:16] <ubotu> Package kmultimedia-kio-plugins does not exist in dapper
[12:16] <free-son-S> hello
[12:16] <free-son-S> fine?
[12:16] <abattoir> !search kmultimedia-kio-plugins
[12:16] <ubotu> Found nothing
[12:17] <abattoir> !info kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[12:17] <ubotu> kdemultimedia-kio-plugins: enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 608 kB
[12:17] <coachJ> hello
[12:17] <abattoir> coachJ: ^^^
[12:17] <coachJ> yes
[12:18] <free-son-S> there is some french people here?
[12:18] <abattoir> !fr
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> !fr
[12:18] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:18] <coachJ> wewe
[12:18] <free-son-S> ok kool
[12:18] <coachJ> sorry
[12:18] <free-son-S> ok ubotu merci pour l elien
[12:20] <Joe1> hello, room
[12:21] <aeske> 
[12:21] <aeske> s'there anybody outthere
[12:21] <coachJ> rawsewage--it worked, need lame to encode to mp3
[12:22] <Joe1> I got a good one here.  So my computer is connected to an apple airport, I think, and all the comps here run XP, except me.  My Kubuntu system can recognize the wireless network, but even though I put in the correct WEP key, I can't connect!
[12:22] <Joe1> I have a dual-boot with Vista, and that't the only way I can even get on the net to chat here now.
[12:23] <abattoir> Joe1: what program are you using to connect?
[12:23] <coachJ> Vista beta?
[12:23] <Joe1> beta 2.
[12:23] <Joe1> I'm just trying to connect through network settings.
[12:23] <coachJ> how is it?
[12:23] <bazoo> hm
[12:23] <Joe1> It's like Xp in mac clothing.
[12:23] <abattoir> Joe1: try knetworkmanager
[12:23] <Joe1> did that.
[12:24] <Joe1> no dice.
[12:24] <Joe1> The network is actually listed as Apple Network 7f1e1e
[12:24] <Joe1> that's three words.
[12:24] <Joe1> with spaces.
[12:24] <Joe1> does that make any difference?
[12:25] <Rejistania> I can not type special characters without KDE broking them up after I updated my distro
[12:25] <mossman> I have had similar problems I had to change the route add deafult eth1 (ethx)  to make it work.  Kubuntu hung up a few times on that one
[12:25] <Joe1> Rejistania, are you on a laptop?
[12:25] <Rejistania> nope, desktop PC, German keyboard
[12:26] <RawSewage>  coachJ- ok good
[12:26] <Joe1> it's actually ath1.  eth1, is my ethernet.  I'm wireless now.
[12:26] <Joe1> ... fyi.
[12:26] <Joe1> :-)
[12:26] <Joe1> I don't know anything about German.  It's like Greek to me.
[12:27] <Rejistania> it appears that all of a sudden, KDE forgot what UTF-8 is
[12:28] <[Govt] Agent> Has anyone gotten stepmania to work on x64?
[12:32] <Rejistania> well, greek also doesn't work, as I just tested 
[12:32] <Joe1> LOL!
[12:32] <Rejistania> hmm, apparently now it does...
[12:32] <bazoo> hey
[12:33] <bazoo> got a wired problem. my amaroK wont play mp3s :/ vlc does
[12:34] <vem0m> bazoo: did u d/l the libs?
[12:35] <vem0m> bazoo: if not goto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats and read how :)
[12:35] <bazoo> uhm.. which ones are needed?
[12:35] <bazoo> k
[12:36] <Joe1> hmmmm....
[12:36] <Joe1> brb.
[12:40] <bazoo> hm installed that libs
[12:40] <bazoo> but still nothing
[12:41] <larson9999> this blasted router keeps locking up on me.  almost ready to go back to my true mobile one.  and it sucks
[12:42] <vem0m> bazoo: hmmmmm u installed what was in that guide?
[12:42] <vem0m> bazoo: might need to restart amarok
[12:44] <bazoo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-1340337f2ca1d0c54900935468515ba7630fcc59
[12:44] <bazoo> took that ones
[12:45] <pete_> Hi all :)
[12:46] <vem0m> hello pete_
[12:46] <pete_> May I ask a quick quest?
[12:46] <pete_> question*
[12:46] <Rejistania> hmmm, where can I set the locale?
[12:46] <vem0m> sure pete_
[12:47] <vem0m> Rejistania: not sure
[12:47] <vem0m> bazoo: libxine-extracodecs
[12:47] <vem0m> that is what u neeed
[12:47] <bazoo> yea
[12:47] <bazoo> but my synaptic cant find this
[12:47] <pete_> I've just installed KDE ontop on Ubuntu, It's still displaying Gnome instead though. How do I switch the desktops around?
[12:47] <centyx> hey.
[12:48] <centyx> ho.
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> pete_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm (select kdm)
[12:48] <centyx> let's go.
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> pete_: Then choose session type kde
[12:48] <centyx> actually, i've gotmore amarok woes.
[12:48] <vem0m> pete_: not sure i installed Kubuntu stright as i didn't like gnome :P
[12:48] <pete_> heh
[12:48] <pete_> Well
[12:48] <abattoir> !info libxine-extracodecs
[12:48] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[12:48] <pete_> Is there anyway I can keep my existing settings and install Kubuntu?
[12:48] <abattoir> bazoo: ^^^^ you need to enable the multiverse repository
[12:49] <centyx> anyone been able to get amarok 1.4.1 to play flacs successfully?
[12:49] <coachJ> what is flacs?
[12:49] <centyx> pete_: which settings?
[12:49] <Joe1> k.  I'm back.
[12:49] <centyx> pete_: you could tar up your home directory
[12:49] <centyx> coach: flac media format
[12:50] <centyx> amarok played flac files fine before I upgraded to 1.4.1
[12:50] <coachJ> k
[12:50] <pete_> I spent quite a wile installing/setting up ndiswrapper for my USB wi-fi dongle, It'd be a pain to do it all again :/
[12:50] <centyx> oh that
[12:50] <centyx> pete_: just save the important files, configs etc
[12:51] <pete_> I'm a n00b, Im not sure how to?
[12:51] <centyx> I haven't used ndiswrapper in quite a while ( since my laptop died )
[12:51] <pete_> yeah
[12:51] <centyx> otherwise I'd tell you which files to save
[12:52] <r0xz> centyx: now you say so, i have the flac issue too (you use gstreamer0.8-...   too? )
[12:52] <pete_> hmm, I suppose it would take that long now I have the hang of it. Well, Time to d/load Kubuntu :)
[12:52] <centyx> r0xz: using the xine engine
[12:52] <centyx> pete_: nah
[12:52] <centyx> pete_: in a shell, do updated
[12:52] <centyx> er, updatedb
[12:52] <centyx> pete_: then do   locate ndiswrapper
[12:54] <centyx> pete_:  oh i misunderstood. yea, the practice won't kill you either ;)
[12:54] <pete_> This is true ^_^
[12:54] <centyx> pete_: but you could do a quick look in /etc and /usr/share and /usr/local for ndiswrapper stuff
[12:54] <centyx> afk supper
[12:55] <pete_> Alright, Well thanks for your help guys. <3
[12:56] <h3sp4wn> centyx: updatedb should be run as nobody - updatedb --localuser=nobody (otherwise you end up with things in it a user should not be able to see)
[12:56] <Joe1> Okay, I fiddled with kwifimanager.  no luck
[12:56] <Joe1> any other suggestions?
[12:56] <bazoo> ahh its working* thx alot guys :)
[12:57] <h3sp4wn> Joe1: Try wpa_supplicant /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wep.conf
[12:57] <Joe1> cool.
[12:57] <[Govt] Agent> A'ight does anyone here know how to apply the stepmania x64 patch?
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> Joe1: And /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian (Just include wep.conf)
[01:00] <Joe1> I'm reading....
[01:04] <Joe1> I'm more confused than before.
[01:05] <SpAwN> Joe1: u are trying to use wireless?
[01:05] <Joe1> yep.
[01:05] <r0xz> centryx: shoot me, i use xine too in amarok... looks like a bug seeing we are with two now
[01:05] <Joe1> dhcp.
[01:05] <SpAwN> Joe1: have u tried ndiswrapper
[01:05] <Joe1> don't need to.
[01:05] <SpAwN> Joe1: so the computer sees your card and everything
[01:05] <Joe1> My card is recognised perfectly.
[01:05] <SpAwN> Joe1: good =D
[01:06] <SpAwN> Joe1: u just cant connect?
[01:06] <Joe1> correct.
[01:06] <Joe1> now get this: the WEP key is 8 digits.
[01:06] <Joe1> weird?
[01:07] <SpAwN> ahh u are using an encryption............i never had luck doing that
[01:07] <Joe1> I had before, on a different network.
[01:07] <Joe1> but the key, which was hex, was 21 digits.
[01:07] <SpAwN> Joe1: do u have axx to the router...to try to turn it off...see if it works then
[01:08] <Joe1> sadly, no.
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> Joe1: Have you set up wpa_supplicant (you can deb what is going on in wpa_cli
[01:08] <SpAwN> i tried everything i could i mandriva and never got it working
[01:08] <Joe1> h3sp4wn, no, I haven;t/
[01:08] <Rejistania> hey, it's ubuntu!
[01:08] <Rejistania> SCNR
[01:09] <AndyGee> thought i shud lets u's no i got it sorted
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Joe1: The thing about wpa_supplicant is the debug part of it
[01:09] <AndyGee> lol
[01:09] <AndyGee> does kubuntu play mp3's?
[01:09] <Music^Hound> not by default
[01:10] <Joe1> k, h3sp4wn, what do I need to do?
[01:10] <AndyGee> argh
[01:10] <AndyGee> lol
[01:10] <Rejistania> No one knows where I could search for a solution to the UTF-8 problem?
[01:10] <AndyGee> how do i get them to play?
[01:10] <Music^Hound> you need to set restricted repos
[01:10] <Music^Hound> one sec
[01:10] <AndyGee> hold on i havent it installyet
[01:10] <AndyGee> installed yet
[01:11] <AndyGee> ints installing as we speak
[01:11] <AndyGee> its*
[01:11] <Music^Hound> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <Music^Hound> go there
[01:11] <AndyGee> ah ok
[01:12] <z00m> hi all, can anyone tell me a good file encryption software for linux ?
[01:15] <SbCl3> hi, I'm still using breezy, but i'd like to update to Dapper, where is the sources.list file I need?
[01:16] <mrbojanglie> hey can anybody help me with this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=212987
[01:16] <mrbojanglie> i've been toying with it all day with no luck
[01:16] <Kr4t05> !tell SbCl3 about upgrading
[01:17] <SbCl3> thanks, Kr4t05
[01:17] <Kr4t05> Word.
[01:17] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: so umm u need to get ATi working?
[01:17] <word> Yeh.
[01:17] <mrbojanglie> yes
[01:18] <mrbojanglie> but the driver has a bug that doesnt detect modelines
[01:18] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: hld on one min
[01:18] <Kr4t05> !tell mrbojanglie about video drivers
[01:18] <ubotu> I know nothing about video drivers
[01:18] <mrbojanglie> so everything is messed up
[01:18] <Kr4t05> Drat.
[01:18] <mrbojanglie> i have the ati driver installed and working (i believe)
[01:19] <mrbojanglie> but the screen is a wreck
[01:19] <vem0m> mrbojanglie:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204910
[01:19] <z00m> whats a good file encryption tool for linux
[01:19] <vem0m> try that topic
[01:19] <vem0m> i used it and it worked 3/3 tries mrbojanglie
[01:20] <mrbojanglie> hey thanks but i managed to install the driver
[01:20] <mrbojanglie> the ATI driver deosn't detect modelines for my specific laptop
[01:20] <vem0m> that will install it and make it work with ur kernel and X11
[01:20] <vem0m> have u tried to configure it?
[01:21] <mrbojanglie> yeah its setup and configured
[01:21] <mrbojanglie> just the modeline for my monitor i don't have
[01:21] <Kr4t05> z00m, ark or xarchive
[01:21] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: i mean do a configure of it to allow modelines?
[01:21] <mrbojanglie> for the resolution/refresh rate
[01:21] <mrbojanglie> sorry, how do you mean?
[01:21] <Kr4t05> z00m, xarchiver*
[01:21] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: try doing a custom then
[01:22] <SbCl3> is Dapper the current stable version?
[01:22] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: none match mine by defualt either so i told it my custom ones and it works fine
[01:22] <mrbojanglie> SbCl3, yes
[01:22] <mrbojanglie> yeah i've used a modeline generator to make a custom one
[01:23] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: thu the X11 config that is
[01:23] <mrbojanglie> but its still a bit shakey
[01:23] <mrbojanglie> xorg.conf?
[01:23] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: sounds like the wrong refresh rate
[01:23] <mrbojanglie> in the generator i used 1280x800 60hz
[01:24] <vem0m> mrbojanglie:  my max is 1024x768 60hz
[01:24] <mrbojanglie> and when i run startx its very shakey and refresh rate is set to 69Hz for some reason
[01:24] <mrbojanglie> sorry 59Hz
[01:24] <vem0m> u might make sure its acually set to that
[01:24] <mrbojanglie> yes in windows it is that and without ATI's driver it is that
[01:24] <vem0m> hmmmmmm go into the config and check for it to be set to 60 hz
[01:24] <SbCl3> does anyone here know why doing sudo apt-get upgrade instead of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade makes a system unbootable (this happened to me last time)?
[01:25] <vem0m> X11 tries to set it to a range even if u tell it not to
[01:26] <vem0m> i had to go into the file and tell it flat 60
[01:26] <vem0m> nothing else and all works
[01:26] <mrbojanglie> so where do i define this (apart from the modeline)
[01:26] <vem0m> hld on
[01:26] <mrbojanglie> thanks btw
[01:26] <vem0m> np
[01:28] <goemon4> hello all, i need some hellp playing audio files on my comp with Kubuntu 6.06
[01:28] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: under the section Section "Screen"
[01:28] <SbCl3> "1091 upgraded, 129 newly installed, 233 to remove and 11 not upgraded." <--- this sounds wrong, could someone elaborate (dapper install)
[01:28] <skge> goemon4:: What exactly is your issue?
[01:29] <vem0m> mrbojanglie:  modes "1024x768@60" "1024x768@43" "800x600@60"
[01:29] <goemon4> ok as soon as i try to play anything (in amarok, vlc, kaffiene) it just skips to the end of the track
[01:29] <vem0m> should read sumthing like that
[01:29] <mrbojanglie> here is my xorg.conf as it stands: http://www.miraclesalad.com/webtools/clip.php?clip=3f9
[01:30] <vem0m> mrbojanglie: i will have a look
[01:30] <samuli> goemon4, do you have the right codecs?
[01:30] <SbCl3> why is it going to remove 233 packages?
[01:30] <goemon4> idk which ones do i need?
[01:31] <mrbojanglie> and the screen is shaking all over the place with that file
[01:31] <mrbojanglie> completely unusable
[01:31] <vem0m> PM mrbojanglie
[01:31] <mrbojanglie> if i go back to driver "ati" it works fine
[01:31] <mrbojanglie> hmm i cant pm, need to register
[01:32] <mrbojanglie> 1min
[01:33] <Joe1> okay...
[01:33] <Joe1> can anybody help me with my little wifi issue.  I won't bug you again, I swear.
[01:34] <DN_W> what issue you got
[01:34] <goemon4> sry, but im kinda new to irc, so what codecs do i need? (to play media files)
[01:34] <apokryphos> goemon4: please read the FAQ
[01:35] <Joe1> I'm just trying to connect  my Kubuntu box to my network.
[01:35] <DarkAudit> Kubuntu keeps wanting to connect to someone else's wireless connection. There's an open connection in the neighborhood somewhere, and it keeps grabbing that one first. How can I stop it?
[01:36] <goemon4> will do (ive been looking, but found nothing) but i will search! also one other problem, i installed dosbox with apt-get and it isnt showing up in the K menu, how can i put it there?
[01:37] <Joe1> goemon, use the menu editor.
[01:37] <DarkAudit> I left the ssid and key info blank in the System Settings-> Network Settings. Does that make a difference?
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> Anyone know of any voice changer software for linux?
[01:38] <Joe1> if you don't have it, you can find one via adept
[01:39] <goemon4> i did try the menu editor...but it didnt work there
[01:40] <Kr4t05> How would I get access to the command lndir?
[01:41] <bazoo> gn8
[01:43] <vigilante> Hi all, I am having problems with Epson Print Utilities in KDE, when I try to check ink levels, it says, cannot open /dev/usb/lp0 read/write: no such file or directory, I can print though
[01:43] <vigilante> any ideas to fix?
[01:45] <Joe1> well, I am officially past my wit's end.
[01:48] <TheMoebius> I'm getting an error on trying to start kdm that says unrecognized command: tcp, does anyone know where I can find the line that calls kdm at startup to figure where that option is coming from?
[01:50] <tomaz> Help!, when i try to halt or reboot the system thru KDE, it goes to the Command Line!
[01:51] <tomaz> hulo?
[01:51] <vem0m> hmmmmm
[01:51] <TheMoebius> tomaz: when you start KDE does it start automatically or do you start it from command line?
[01:51] <vem0m> tomaz: what does it do when u say startx from the command line
[01:54] <tomaz> starts automatically
[01:54] <tomaz> but when i try to shutdown, it goes to the shell
[01:54] <vem0m> tomaz: hmmmmm maybe did u mess with the services?
[01:55] <AndyGee> hello again lol
[01:55] <AndyGee> rite good got it installed yay!
[01:55] <tomaz> yeah, i did it u.u'
[01:56] <AndyGee> lol
[01:56] <vem0m> AndyGee:  great :)
[01:56] <tomaz> i was disabling bluetooth services and mysql, and apache
[01:56] <AndyGee> prob is playing mp3's now
[01:56] <tomaz> maybe i distroyed somethign u.u
[01:56] <AndyGee> thanks vem0m
[01:56] <vem0m> tomaz: maybe u messed with the wrong startup  service?
[01:56] <vem0m> AndyGee: np dude
[01:57] <AndyGee> how do i get playing mp3's?
[01:57] <vigilante>  Can someone tell me what this means? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17728
[01:57] <AndyGee> lol
[01:57] <vem0m> heh hld on
[01:58] <vem0m> AndyGee:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <vem0m> go there :)
[01:59] <AndyGee> okies thanks vem0m any probs ill get back to ya :)
[01:59] <vem0m> vigilante: i thank it means u already have a package manager running
[02:00] <vem0m> close out snyptec,adepts or anything else along those line
[02:00] <AndyGee> i dont seem to have them libxine-extracodecs in me adept manager :s
[02:01] <vem0m> u have the extra repos loaded?
[02:02] <AndyGee> no prob not
[02:02] <AndyGee> how do i do that
[02:03] <vem0m> AndyGee:  hld on 1 min
[02:03] <AndyGee> ok
[02:03] <vigilante> vem0m: should I uninstall before running that again?
[02:04] <centyx> back
[02:04] <AndyGee> all i see is stuff for ubuntu not kubuntu
[02:04] <AndyGee> lol
[02:04] <centyx> anyone been able to get flac playback working in amarok 1.4.1?
[02:04] <AndyGee> i havent yet
[02:04] <AndyGee> lol
[02:05] <tomaz> vem0m, maybe i mesed up with the shutdown service =p
[02:07] <vem0m> AndyGee: sorry for the wait i will pm u now
[02:07] <AndyGee> thats ok
[02:08] <AndyGee> nps
[02:08] <AndyGee> ah i have to reg ven0m
[02:08] <tomaz> someone can gimme a clue?
[02:09] <centyx> ok , so I need to upgrade to xine 1.1.2
[02:10] <centyx> anyone know if there are kubuntu packages for that?
[02:10] <centyx> or where I would go to find out?
[02:12] <centyx> I don't see anything at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/
[02:12] <actinic> !kernel
[02:12] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[02:13] <centyx> !xine
[02:13] <ubotu> I know nothing about xine
[02:13] <centyx> worth a try :P
[02:13] <actinic> any faq to updating the kernel?
[02:14] <centyx> no clue.
[02:14] <centyx> in debian, I always used kernel-package
[02:14] <centyx> which supplies the command make-kpkg
[02:14] <centyx> if I was compiling my own
[02:15] <actinic> !updatekernel
[02:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about updatekernel
[02:15] <centyx> if you just want to fetch a newer precompiled kernel just apt-get install a new kernel image
[02:15] <actinic> !kernelupdate
[02:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about kernelupdate
[02:15] <centyx> apt-cache search kernel-image
[02:16] <centyx> actinic: apt-cache search kernel-image|less
[02:16] <actinic> what about headers?  what happens to 3d vid graphics?
[02:16] <actinic> grub affected?  any precautionary measures?
[02:16] <centyx> actinic: nvidia or ati?
[02:16] <centyx> actinic: look over /boot/grub/menu.lst and do man update-grub
[02:16] <actinic> nvidia
[02:17] <actinic> will that be necessary?
[02:17] <actinic> is it better to use synaptic?  or maybe apt-get instead?
[02:17] <actinic> what's the downside?
[02:17] <actinic> no faq?
[02:18] <centyx> actinic: you can use synaptic if you want. you don't need to fool w/ menu.lst unless you  don't want all the kernels listed as options etc
[02:18] <centyx> actinic: I don't know if there's a faq or not, I'm really new to kubuntu
[02:18] <actinic> will new headers be necessary to install nvidia 3d graphic drivers?
[02:18] <centyx> actinic: look on ubuntu.org and ubuntuforums.org - whatever applies there will be the same for kubuntu pretty much
[02:18] <actinic> i've looked
[02:18] <centyx> actinic: my bad, ubuntu.com
[02:19] <actinic> there doesn't seem to be an official 'update kernel' page i've seen
[02:19] <centyx> actinic: ah. you'll need linux-restricted-modules
[02:19] <centyx> actinic: but I don't think you'll need the headers
[02:19] <actinic> you sure, i thought that was for multimedia?
[02:20] <centyx> actinic: nvidia-kernel-common
[02:20] <centyx> actinic: I'm just guessing. looking at output of apt-cache search nvidia :P
[02:20] <actinic> i see that
[02:20] <centyx> actinic: I've got an ati radeon 9800
[02:20] <actinic> anyone else?
[02:21] <actinic> thanks anyway
[02:21] <centyx> sorry
[02:21] <actinic> !kernel
[02:21] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[02:21] <actinic> !headers
[02:21] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[02:21] <centyx> actinic: you won't need the headers
[02:21] <actinic> !nvidia
[02:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:22] <centyx> actinic: I'll install kubuntu on my wife's pc real quick. she's got a nvidia card.
[02:23] <coma_> anyone : anyone ever installed Final Fantasy 7 on wine?
[02:23] <centyx> actinic: she hasn't touched her gentoo install in over a year
[02:24] <actinic> yeah but I'm running an opteron with a 386 kernel for cryin out loud
[02:24] <centyx> actinic: ah.
[02:24] <centyx> actinic: do you have nvidia support now?
[02:25] <actinic> yes ... for the current (old) kernel of course
[02:25] <centyx> actinic: just look at what's installed now...
[02:25] <centyx> actinic: and upgrade to the appropriate kernel for your processor
[02:25] <centyx> actinic: dpkg -l|grep "kernel"
[02:25] <centyx> actinic: or dpkg -l| grep "2.6" or whatever
[02:26] <actinic> why not just synaptic?  what's the downside?
[02:26] <centyx> actinic: heck, do dpkg -l > packages.list if you want
[02:26] <centyx> actinic: you can use synaptic if you want. dpkg is just easier to get a quick answer in my opinion
[02:26] <actinic> i'll check back later
[02:26] <centyx> actinic: it's faster for me to type than it is to click
[02:27] <centyx> good grief
[02:27] <centyx> it's just common sense
[02:27] <centyx> ok maybe not
[02:28] <intelikey> i just recieved the kubuntu live cd,   Question; why is there no install cd ?
[02:28] <centyx> intelikey: the live cd is the install cd
[02:28] <intelikey> yes    why is there no install cd ?
[02:29] <Riddell> we ship the desktop CD which is both a live and install CD
[02:29] <intelikey> it can't run in less than 256m ram ?
[02:30] <Riddell> intelikey: you can probably run it
[02:30] <centyx> Riddell: hi. are there kubuntu packages for xine 1.1.2?
[02:31] <intelikey> well  the installer 'doesnt work'      too rigid.   the installer that was on the hoary cd worked.   (it was too rigid also, but would work.)
[02:31] <centyx> intelikey: what's the problem you're having?
[02:32] <Riddell> centyx: nope
[02:32] <intelikey> i have no idea,,,  it's a gui and it just sits there.
[02:32] <buddy3232> #flirt.de
[02:32] <centyx> Riddell: ok. thanks.
[02:32] <intelikey> if it was cli i could at least look for error codes
[02:33] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:34] <stewart> could some please give me a hand in trying to findout what audiocard is in this pc(aint my pc)
[02:34] <intelikey> i figured two hours waiting for the installer to load was plenty of time...    but the little clock just kept going around and around.
[02:35] <intelikey> stewart lshw
[02:35] <centyx> stewart: if it's a pci card, in a terminal 'lspci' might tell you
[02:35] <Riddell> intelikey: report a bug with the log from /var/log/installer/syslog please
[02:36] <stewart> I know its a intagrated card for sure
[02:36] <intelikey> hmmm i'd have to regester for that wouldn't i...
[02:37] <intelikey> stewart you can cat /proc/asound/cards   also it may be detected....
[02:37] <stewart> I'll give er a shot thanks
[02:38] <intelikey> well i'm gone.
[02:38] <centyx> does ubuntu have the branches stable, testing, unstable?
[02:38] <centyx> and apt repositories for them?
[02:38] <centyx> or whatever
[02:39] <centyx> never mind I'll just look around
[02:39] <centyx> I know, being lazy is bad
[02:39] <nixternal> edgy == unstable
[02:39] <dont> hey riddel my friend told me 5 min ago you banned him...he just said 1 word and was banned.WHY?
[02:39] <nixternal> dapper == stable
[02:40] <nixternal> breezy == stable
[02:40] <nixternal> and so on ;)
[02:40] <nixternal> actually, unstalbe and testing are both edgy
[02:40] <claydoh> http://weblog.obso1337.org/?p=385
[02:40] <nixternal> dont: because he spammed a channel in here
[02:40] <centyx> nixternal: thanks
[02:40] <nixternal> against irc etiquette
[02:41] <dont> what is this?
[02:41] <nixternal> trolling is more the word, not spam
[02:41] <nixternal> this is a support channel..not an offtopic channel
[02:41] <dont> oh i see..sorry we are new to irc just trying...didnt know that
[02:42] <dont> can anyone tell me how i change the channel?
[02:43] <nixternal>  /j #channelname
[02:43] <dont> thx
[02:43] <nixternal> np
[02:43] <brian_> dont: google IRC FAQ
[02:43] <dont> yep
[02:43] <brian_> http://www.mirc.com/ircintro.html
[02:44] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:53] <sdolnack> someone please come to my rescue!  I tried updating the kernel w/ adept and since then my machine has become horrendously slow
[02:53] <sdolnack> and how there are like 12 entries in GRUB adn it deleted my XP entry
[02:54] <Ash-Fox> you tried but failed?
[02:54] <Ash-Fox> You could try booting from a older kernel, which is probably still on your system.
[02:54] <sdolnack> i did
[02:54] <sdolnack> and everything's really, really slwo
[02:54] <sdolnack> i have no idea wtf happened
[02:55] <Ash-Fox> Well, can't say I can determine the problem with your description
[02:55] <AndyGee> how do i update my repositories
[02:56] <Ash-Fox> apt-get update
[02:56] <AndyGee> doesnt connect tho
[02:56] <AndyGee> lol
[02:56] <sdolnack> this is really bad
[02:56] <sdolnack> something must be running that's totally hogging up resources and memory
[02:56] <sdolnack> what's linux's task manager counterpart?
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> linux is just a kernel
[02:57] <SpAwN> sdolnack: use top
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> you could try the utilities: top, ksysguard, ps
[02:57] <LjL> sdolnack: try ctrl+esc too
[02:57] <Ash-Fox> ctrl+esc is ksysguard.
[02:57] <sdolnack> nothing's happening
[02:58] <sdolnack> do any of those show me how much ram each process is using?
[02:58] <sdolnack> nvm just finally loaded
[02:58] <Ash-Fox> all of them do
[02:58] <LjL> all of them do
[02:58] <sdolnack> jeez this is really really freakishly slow
[02:58] <gnomefreak> ps aux ;)
[02:58] <gnomefreak> top
[02:59] <LjL> sdolnack: go to a text console, type ps aux, find the culprit, kill it before your swap starts thrashing
[02:59] <Tommy2k4> why wont mplayer plugin for firefox (for some reason the plugin isnt picked up by opera so i have to use firefox) wont play some videos it only plays the sound
[02:59] <Tommy2k4> ive installed all the codecs that come with automatix and easyubuntu and still no luck
[02:59] <LjL> by the way, what was the way to enable alt+sysrq? i remember i could enable that in breezy without recompiling the kernel, but don't remember how
[02:59] <sdolnack> konsole is taking like fifteen seconds to load
[03:00] <sdolnack> KONSOLE
[03:00] <LjL> sdolnack: can you hear your HD thrashing?
[03:00] <sdolnack> how do i f"find the culprit"?
[03:00] <sdolnack> no
[03:00] <LjL> sdolnack: well one of the processes will be taking like 99% CPU. ps aux or top will tell which one it is
[03:00] <LjL> actually, try top, it'll be easier to read than ps aux if you aren't used to either
[03:01] <sdolnack> ok
[03:01] <Wabs> Hi, i've got a quick question
[03:01] <Ash-Fox> !helpme
[03:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:01] <sdolnack> nothing's taking more than like 8% of the cpu
[03:01] <Wabs> okay, well
[03:01] <sdolnack> but there are liek 8 things taking 30M+ ram
[03:01] <LjL> sdolnack: uhm... when did this start?
[03:01] <sdolnack> when i booted just now
[03:02] <Wabs> I just wanted to know, what would run better on an old laptop: Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or Ubuntu?
[03:02] <sdolnack> the only thing that's changed since i last booted was updating some packages with adept
[03:02] <Wabs> I wasn't sure if KDE was lighter than GNOME
[03:02] <Ash-Fox> Wabs, if you use only K applications, kbuntu.
[03:02] <OOD> Wabs: Xubuntu is lightest on resources
[03:02] <Ash-Fox> K applications share memory a lot more than any other desktop enviroment.
[03:02] <sdolnack> the only thing i can think of that would be causing this is installing the latest kernel
[03:03] <sdolnack> which vastly inflated my GRUB list
[03:03] <LjL> sdolnack: if it only slow while *loading* applications, or is also moving windows, waiting for windows to refresh etc slow?
[03:03] <sdolnack> and removed my XP partition from grub
[03:03] <sdolnack> yes
[03:03] <sdolnack> everything
[03:03] <Wabs> It's not for me, it's for my younger sisters, i'm putting it on their laptop, but it's running a P3 900mHz, 8MB ATI card, & 256MB RAM, so I just wanted to check in to see what would be the best system to install
[03:03] <sdolnack> in fact when the splash screen was booting
[03:03] <Ash-Fox> xubuntu on the other hand is very low memory, but none of the application really share much memory with each other
[03:03] <Wabs> I already have Kubuntu and Ubuntu on CDs
[03:03] <sdolnack> instead of text scrolling, the screen sort of "wiped" new lines, like scan lines or something
[03:03] <LjL> sdolnack: bah. i would try a reboot, and failing that, go back to the old kernel
[03:03] <jmichaelx> problem is, a lot of xubuntu apps suck
[03:03] <sdolnack> but i'm running the old kernel
[03:03] <sdolnack> which is what's baffling
[03:03] <pulpit0> hi
[03:04] <LjL> Wabs: that system is fast enough to allow you to choose whatever you prefer
[03:04] <sdolnack> you know when you see a video monitor on film? how you see those scrolling bars?
[03:04] <pulpit0> can anybody paste his/her sources.list file in a /query ?
[03:04] <Wabs> LjL: Really?
[03:04] <Wabs> I thought the Ubuntu minimum requirements were higher than that
[03:04] <sdolnack> that's how new lines on the splash screen came up--instead of scrolling normally, the entire thing kind of "scrolled"/wiped, like it was really really dogging
[03:04] <LjL> Wabs: no, they aren't.
[03:04] <jmichaelx> i have xubuntu on one PC, and i like it, but if you install it, be prepared to add some gnome apps to replace the xfce ones that don't work
[03:05] <Wabs> heh
[03:05] <sdolnack> that's why ii like kubuntu the best
[03:05] <sdolnack> but yeah this is really ticking me off
[03:05] <LjL> Wabs: that's a relatively powerful computer. the fact that people change their computers every year or so doesn't mean you absolutely have to have the latest and greatest hardware to get a working system
[03:05] <sdolnack> i can't play dvds w/o them going really choppy
[03:05] <Ash-Fox> In my opinion KDE is rather the best option if you're going to be running more than one/two applications at the same time
[03:05] <jmichaelx> i have kubuntu on a P3 @ 500Mhz and it works fine
[03:05] <sdolnack> is it something on startup or something?
[03:05] <Ash-Fox> Since the memory with K application are shared heavilly.
[03:05] <sdolnack> i mean, i've got a 1.6ghz Pent M and a gig of ram
[03:06] <sdolnack> this shoudlnt' be happening
[03:06] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, and using a older kernel doesn't help?
[03:06] <sdolnack> no
[03:06] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, create a new user, and see if that new user has any issues.
[03:06] <sdolnack> another thing--we all know that when windows loads, you have to wait after the desktop appears until you can actually run programs
[03:06] <LjL> sdolnack: couldn't you just be using VESA rather than the right driver for your videocard? though that could probably only explain *some* kinds of slowness
[03:07] <Wabs> LjL: well, yeah, I know, but it's a tough choice between KDE & GNOME :\
[03:07] <sdolnack> and kde used to be instantaneous--as soon as i saw the desktop, it was good to go
[03:07] <Tommy2k4> Wabs, that laptop is faster than what im currently running kubuntu on
[03:07] <Tommy2k4> :)
[03:07] <sdolnack> but just booting now it was still "loading" after the desktop came on the screen
[03:07] <Tommy2k4> o yea
[03:07] <sdolnack> what's happened?
[03:07] <Tommy2k4> i did sudo apt-get remove sendmail
[03:07] <Tommy2k4> why does sendmail still try to open on boot up
[03:07] <Wabs> Tommy2k4: how does Kubuntu run on yours?
[03:08] <Wabs> Good, moderately good?
[03:08] <Tommy2k4> quite well
[03:08] <LjL> Wabs: you said it's for your sister, right? how experienced is she with computers? i much prefer KDE myself, but i feel that 1) Ubuntu implements Gnome better than KDE  2) Gnome is easier for people with very little experience with computers
[03:08] <Tommy2k4> i got 733mhz p3, 256mb ram, integrated gfx
[03:08] <sdolnack> LjL: I was using ATI fglrx drivers; i didn't change them, but something else might have
[03:08] <sdolnack> how do I check this VESA thing?
[03:08] <fiyawerx> LjL: you think gnome is easier for non-experienced?
[03:08] <LjL> sdolnack: well, check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf first, see if fglrx is mentioneed
[03:09] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu is the first linux ive ever used and found it very easy
[03:09] <LjL> fiyawerx: yes, i think so.
[03:09] <sdolnack> fiyawerx: def KDE for inexperienced users
[03:09] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, open konsole and type in 'glxinfo | grep direct', and paste the result here.
[03:09] <sdolnack> LjL: you think gnome's easier?
[03:09] <fiyawerx> sdolnack: i like kde better,feels more like windows
[03:09] <Wabs> LjL: They really don't know what they're doing unless I guide them in terms of PCs, and I know GNOME is a much easier interface than KDE, but if KDE runs better than GNOME by a large margin, then I don't mind introducing them to using KDE over GNOME
[03:09] <LjL> sdolnack: yeah.
[03:09] <Wabs> They're only 10
[03:09] <Tommy2k4> wow talk about starting them early
[03:09] <fiyawerx> heh, 10 isn't very early anymore
[03:09] <Wabs> Yeah
[03:09] <sdolnack> fiyawerx: i agree.  KDE is a lot easier for me, being a windows user
[03:09] <LjL> Wabs: as you can see, opinions differ. wildly. it's just a choice you'll have to make
[03:10] <Wabs> But they had XP on there, Tommy2k4, so I was like "forget this, it's waaaayyy too laggy"
[03:10] <Wabs> LjL: k
[03:10] <Tommy2k4> i wouldnt even try to recommend linux to any of my friends
[03:10] <fiyawerx> kde vs gnome is like vi vs emacs :)
[03:10] <Tommy2k4> kate ftw
[03:10] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: in response to the glxinfo thing: direct rendering: Yes
[03:10] <Ash-Fox> Neither would I, I mean.. it's just a kernel, I'd reccommend a entire distro though.
[03:10] <sdolnack> that's all it said
[03:10] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, looks like fglrx is working fine.
[03:10] <sdolnack> haha fiyawerx tru dat
[03:10] <fiyawerx> Wabs: if they're used to windows, i'd go with kde, i think its an easier transition overall
[03:11] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: i'm convinced that installing the new kernel changed something (liek it ffreakin rewrote my grub menu.lst
[03:11] <Wabs> well, it seems like GNOME is a mix of OSX & Windows
[03:11] <LjL> see, i don't even really see this ease of transition from windows to kde (compared to gnome) that everybody always talks about.
[03:11] <jmichaelx> fluxbox is da way to go
[03:11] <jmichaelx> :-D
[03:11] <Tommy2k4> for me so far the crash count kubuntu vs windows = like 20:0
[03:11] <fiyawerx> its mostly in the style
[03:11] <Wabs> & I haven't tried KDE but the looks seem to lean more towards OS X rather than Windows
[03:11] <sdolnack> is there any way to view a log of what's changed since i updated the kernel?
[03:11] <Wabs> i have the LiveCD though
[03:12] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, the only thing I can think of is it changed the way your system performs scheduling. But since you told me you tried running the system with a older kernel, that's not it.
[03:12] <Joe1> hi everyone.  I came back for round 3.
[03:12] <sdolnack> yeah, i loaded the older kernel just now
[03:12] <jmichaelx> Tommy2k4: kubuntu should not be crashing on you
[03:12] <sdolnack> how do i check what kernel i'm running?
[03:12] <LjL> Wabs: http://ljl.byethost14.com/annotatedkde.png  does this look more like OS X or windows? :)
[03:12] <Tommy2k4> well it is :(
[03:12] <Ash-Fox> cat /proc/version
[03:12] <Tommy2k4> it used to happen very often when i ran 24bit/1280x1024
[03:12] <Tommy2k4> then i switched to 16bit/1024x768 and it stopped
[03:12] <Ash-Fox> of course there are gui ways of checking all these things, but commands are easier to type out :P
[03:12] <jmichaelx> the only thing that has ever made kubuntu crash for me was frostwire
[03:13] <sdolnack> yeah adept upgraded from 2.6.15-23 to 2.6.15-25
[03:13] <Wabs> to me it's more like OS X with a Windows twist, LjL
[03:13] <Tommy2k4> then i switched it up to 1280x1024 still on 24bit and it still stopped
[03:13] <LjL> Wabs: and note that it's a KDE screenshot.
[03:13] <Tommy2k4> but then i started using firefox (not much, just for watching 'videos' and its been crashing again
[03:13] <Wabs> Yeah
[03:13] <Wabs> well this is #kubuntu :)
[03:13] <sdolnack> but i have both i686 and i386 installed so it updated two diff kernels, and then added new entries +recovery modes for each, so i have i think 8 diff entries in grub
[03:13] <LjL> Wabs: basically the point i'm trying to get across is that looks count relatively little, as they're relatively easy to change in both Gnome and KDE.
[03:13] <fiyawerx> now for a kde screenshot, http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/1152x864/kde300-snapshot2-1152x864.jpg
[03:13] <sdolnack> oh and swiftfox used to take about 2 1/2 seconds to load and now takes a lot longer
[03:14] <Tommy2k4> the default kubuntu theme is better than any other linux screeny ive seen so far
[03:14] <Joe1> anybody with any wireless experience here?
[03:14] <LjL> brrr, SuSE on a bad day :P
[03:14] <sdolnack> ok it's been 20 seconds
[03:14] <Wabs> true
[03:14] <sdolnack> and firefox has not loaded
[03:14] <sdolnack> ok it took 25 seconds for SWIFTfox to load
[03:14] <sdolnack> what in hell is wrong with my machine?!
[03:14] <fiyawerx> i have really strange issues with firefox
[03:14] <fiyawerx> sdolnack: not just you
[03:14] <fiyawerx> when i launch it, i get the "busy" firefox icon for like 25-30 seconds
[03:15] <sdolnack> it's not just that fiyawerx
[03:15] <Wabs> fiyawerx: Was that the default KDE look?
[03:15] <fiyawerx> even if the window comes up and i search, and close it within like 10
[03:15] <fiyawerx> Wabs: yes
[03:15] <sdolnack> i'm running swiftfox which used to load in under 3 seconds
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> I don't like defaults, glad I have KDE, just change everything the way you like.
[03:15] <sdolnack> and my machine is beefy
[03:15] <jmichaelx> fiyawerx: what distro is that a screenshot of?
[03:15] <Tommy2k4> because: firefox sucks
[03:15] <LjL> Wabs: yeah though the default look in Kubuntu is sort of different (not by much)
[03:15] <jmichaelx> i love firefox
[03:15] <Ash-Fox> Tommy2k4, firefox has something other browsers don't have, google's synchronisation extention
[03:15] <Wabs> kinda looks like Windows 2000 with an XP twist
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> true
[03:16] <Joe1> can anyone direct me to where I can get some wireless help?
[03:16] <Ash-Fox> lets you synchronise bookmarks, cookies etc. with other firefox installations.
[03:16] <sdolnack> so does anyone have any suggestions in speeding my machine up? besides liek reinstalling kubuntu
[03:16] <sdolnack> which i really don't feel like doing
[03:16] <Wabs> well, i suppose i'll try Ubuntu first, & if they don't like that I can just use the partition editor & install Kubuntu
[03:16] <Wabs> I also <3 Konqueror
[03:16] <Tommy2k4> i wonder how easy it would be to write an opera plugin for google synchronisation
[03:16] <Wabs> best browser out there
[03:16] <driz>  hey guys is there a way i can access my computer from work and use the desktop and everything as if it was mine?
[03:16] <sdolnack> even like when i open firefox and then open konsole, and then click the firefox window in the background, it takes about 2 seconds to switch from konsole to firefox
[03:17] <sdolnack> driz: yeah, it's called hacking
[03:17] <Ash-Fox> driz, yes.
[03:17] <LjL> wabs: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/662/4.gif  this is kubuntu'd default look
[03:17] <alexicon> driz: vnc
[03:17] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, no, it's not called hacking
[03:17] <fiyawerx> wabs, you can also apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to install kde from gnome, or vice versa
[03:17] <fiyawerx> but i hate how it just mashes all your apps together, personally
[03:17] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: i was only j/k :-P
[03:17] <fiyawerx> in your menus, heh
[03:17] <alexicon> that would be cracking
[03:17] <alexicon> anyway
[03:17] <Wabs> Very bland :P
[03:17] <alexicon> vnc is the standard driz
[03:17] <sdolnack> oh my word i want to throw this laptop out the freaking window
[03:17] <sdolnack> could it be a heat issue?
[03:17] <Ash-Fox> driz, you can use for example the xvncserver or vnc4server with the vnc clients (which are availible everywhere but macosx)
[03:17] <LjL> Wabs: i hate it. but what the heck, just about everything of it can be changed.
[03:17] <sdolnack> could my machine be overheating?
[03:18] <Wabs> true
[03:18] <sdolnack> i mean whatever's slowing down my machine is slowing it down as early as the splash screen.  What would dot hat?
[03:18] <Wabs> alright, so in your opinion, what should i go with first, Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[03:18] <fiyawerx> driz: i use nomachine's server/client
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, a daemon.
[03:18] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: explain
[03:18] <Wabs> I've got both & i'll try both most likely, so it doesnt matter to me
[03:18] <fiyawerx> Wabs: considering this is #kubuntu, i think k's gonna win ;)
[03:18] <alexicon> Wabs: kubuntu i find is a lot easier to install
[03:18] <fiyawerx> go with k
[03:18] <Joe1> la la la...
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> daemons start with the system
[03:18] <Wabs> alright
[03:18] <alexicon> but ub ubuntu is probably easier to use
[03:18] <jmichaelx> fluxbox wins
[03:18] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu manual partitioner sucks
[03:18] <jmichaelx> :P
[03:18] <Tommy2k4> wouldnt even work
[03:18] <fiyawerx> exercize the daemons!
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> in the setup
[03:19] <Ash-Fox> so it could be a daemo.
[03:19] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: how wound it be like edited though? what would have changed?
[03:19] <driz> ok cool thanks i'll google those things
[03:19] <alexicon> Tommy2k4: only prob i had with the partitioner was i made a mistake, and i had to restart the install to get the partition to work, but then it was fine
[03:19] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, well, let's assume something changed in /etc some config file that a daemon uses and messed up that daemon
[03:19] <Tommy2k4> i had 3 major problems with the partitioner
[03:19] <sdolnack> hmm
[03:20] <LjL> Wabs: i don't really know. as i said, for an inexperienced user i think that gnome is easier, but then for a child fun probably wins over ease of use, and KDE tends too look more cartoonish and has more educational programs/games. at any rate, you can always isntall both gnome and kde, they work well together except for the fact that you'll get KDE apps in your Gnome menu and viceversa, and that the default colors might change
[03:20] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, if a daemon is the cause, which we don't know.
[03:20] <Tommy2k4> 1, if you dont click on the empty space partition after just creating a new partition it would lock up and id have to go back to the previous page of the seutp
[03:20] <Ash-Fox> LjL, uh, gnome is quite difficult for people who just want to plugin things like their USB thumbdrives and want them just to work etc.
[03:21] <sdolnack> can i remove the new kernels i downloaded?
[03:21] <Wabs> ah hell
[03:21] <sdolnack> and if so how
[03:21] <fiyawerx> and i love konversation :)
[03:21] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, apt-get remove
[03:21] <Wabs> I can't find my KDE discs
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> 2, after partitioning it the next page would get it wrong, eg if hda2 was 1gb and hda3 was 512mb it would say hda2 was 512mb and had3 was 1gb (they were different filesystems and it didnt tell me which so i had no idea what to do)
[03:21] <fiyawerx> heh
[03:21] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: wont' that like remove the kernel completely?
[03:21] <alexicon> heh
[03:21] <Ash-Fox> yes.
[03:21] <alexicon> oh well
[03:21] <Tommy2k4> and 3, after guessing and hoping that it picked up my partitions properly, it would tell me that / was <2gb even when i set it to > 2.6gb
[03:21] <alexicon> i enjoyed the livecd installer
[03:21] <Ash-Fox> You can't run the system on half a kernel.
[03:22] <alexicon> thought that was rather clever of them
[03:22] <Wabs> how the hell can i lose both the DVD & LiveCD
[03:22] <Wabs> >_<
[03:22] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: i just watn to undo the changes that occured.  i have four kernels on my machine.  FOUR! I only need one!
[03:22] <Ash-Fox> sdolnack, uninstall the others.
[03:22] <sdolnack> Ash-Fox: ...how? just delete the img files?
[03:22] <Ash-Fox> no
[03:22] <Ash-Fox> use apt-get.
[03:23] <sdolnack> yes but how do i find the names of each of the kernels
[03:23] <OOD> or adept/synaptic if you find those easier to use
[03:23] <Ash-Fox> they're all called 'kernel'
[03:23] <Ash-Fox> just the versions are diferent.
[03:23] <Wabs> damn, now i gotta download the Kubuntu torrent again
[03:23] <Wabs> :(
[03:24] <sdolnack> would you advise against removing 386 and only having 686, or is removing the 386 kernel OK
[03:24] <Tommy2k4> would rm -f /etc/init.d/sendmail make anything bad happen
[03:24] <Joe1> Issue: I can
[03:24] <Tommy2k4> ive already did sudo apt-get remove sendmail but it still tries to boot up
[03:24] <Joe1> 't connect
[03:24] <Joe1> to my wireless network.
[03:24] <driz> oh guys  Iforgot somethi8ng I use windows at work!!!
[03:24] <LjL> Ash-Fox: on the other hand, hibernating or suspending under Kubuntu can be a nice challenge
[03:24] <OOD> sdolnack: you can remove it if you want
[03:25] <sdolnack> adept isn't loading :-(
[03:25] <sdolnack> it asks fro my password and then just liek stops
[03:25] <Ash-Fox> speaking of which, I should update my kernel.
[03:25] <fiyawerx> thats another thing i noticed, a lot of the time adept does that for me too, i have to start it twice, or even the updater
[03:25] <sdolnack> oh nvm it just came up
[03:25] <fiyawerx> they'll start, then just never show up, the second time works fine
[03:25] <LjL> Ash-Fox: actually they're called "linux" under ubuntu, except for the 2.4 series
[03:25] <OOD> sdonlack: adept it a bit buggy, you sometimes have to start it up a few times, and from time to time you have to kill it
[03:26] <driz> ya guys the can I access my computer from a windows computer?
[03:26] <LjL> !tell driz about ssh
[03:26] <sdlnxgk> what is the fastest way to delete kubuntu partitions on a duo boot  machine to go back to windows only??
[03:26] <OOD> umm, delete the partition?
[03:27] <driz> oh ok thanks
[03:27] <sdlnxgk> yes delete the linux partition
[03:27] <Ash-Fox> LjL, whoops :)
[03:27] <fiyawerx> what about removing grub then?
[03:27] <sdlnxgk> it boots to windbloze just fine
[03:27] <OOD> sdlnxgk: yea that's the fasters way to delete the partition, you delete it o.0
[03:27] <fiyawerx> you can recreate the mbr in windows can't you
[03:27] <sdlnxgk> I guess my friend can't handle linux
[03:27] <Ash-Fox> no, you can't
[03:27] <Ash-Fox> you need to use the windows install cd, go into recovery console and type in 'fixmbr'
[03:28] <OOD> yea
[03:28] <sdlnxgk> already did fdisk /mbr and boots to windows now
[03:28] <LjL> so just delete the partition and everything should be fine
[03:28] <sdlnxgk> winbloze will not let you delte it
[03:28] <fiyawerx> in computer management -> drives?
[03:28] <LjL> then user the ubuntu live cd to delete it
[03:28] <LjL> s/user/use
[03:29] <Ash-Fox> Shoot lazers at it.
[03:29] <fiyawerx> should be able to just format over it or sumpin no?
[03:29] <fiyawerx> pewpewpew lazers!
[03:29] <Joe1> lol.
[03:29] <OOD> sdlnxgk: just go into disk management and format the linux partition
[03:29] <sdlnxgk> Hmmmmm didn't try  to use the live cd to delete  the partitions was thinking fdisk at first
[03:29] <LjL> sdlnxgk: there's gparted on the live cd
[03:30] <fiyawerx> im 99.9% sure you can handle it within windows tho
[03:30] <sdlnxgk> OOD tried that would let me format those partitions
[03:30] <Joe1> any wireless gurus out there?
[03:30] <fiyawerx> sdlnxgk: what kind of error did you get?
[03:30] <Ash-Fox> Joe1, what is the problem?
[03:30] <sdlnxgk> Ljl thanks will give that a try
[03:30] <Joe1> Ash, it's so simple you're gonna laugh.
[03:30] <sdolnack> when i go to remove the latest kernel, it tries to remove linux-image-686 and linux-image-386... isn' thtis really bad?
[03:30] <Joe1> I just can't connect.
[03:31] <fiyawerx> not quite so simple in the wireless world Joe1
[03:31] <fiyawerx> :)
[03:31] <fiyawerx> not always anyway
[03:31] <Joe1> My wireless card is workling perfectly.  I can actually SEE the network.  All I want to do is connect.
[03:31] <sdlnxgk> fiyawerx can't remeber the exact error but something like format can't be performed on partition
[03:31] <Ash-Fox> Joe1, install the wireless assistant utility and try connecting with that
[03:31] <fiyawerx> should be installed in kubuntu by default afaik
[03:32] <sdlnxgk> i'll try some of the suggestions to save my friends laptop
[03:32] <Joe1> Ash.  That utility comes with Dapper already.  and it doesn't let me connect.
[03:32] <fiyawerx> Joe1: do you see the network listed when you run it?
[03:32] <Ash-Fox> Joe1, does the network use WPA or WEP?
[03:32] <sdlnxgk> some people just shouldn't use linux is all
[03:32] <sdlnxgk> I hate to have said that
[03:32] <Joe1> WEP.
[03:32] <kakalto> does anyone else get a "cannot talk to klauncher" message on startup?
[03:32] <sdolnack> anyone--will removing linux-image-386 and linux-image-686 be really bad?
[03:32] <Joe1> and get this, the WEP security code is 8 digits.
[03:33] <Joe1> sdolnack, leave 386.
[03:33] <sdlnxgk> Joel that is because it's 64 bit instead of 128 bit
[03:33] <Joe1> I see the network just fine.
[03:33] <sdolnack> gahh
[03:33] <fiyawerx> would that be an ascii key?
[03:33] <sdolnack> Joe1: would you like to try to help me out?
[03:34] <Joe1> absolutely!
[03:34] <sdolnack> Joe1: since adept updated the latest kernel, my system's been horrendously slow (swiftfox literally takes 10 times longer to load)
[03:34] <sdolnack> and there are like 8 entries in grub now, and it removed my xp entry
[03:34] <sdolnack> and everything's just really slow and i dont' knwo what's wrong
[03:34] <sdolnack> like even the splash screen refreshes really weird
[03:35] <fiyawerx> sdolnack: you can still boot into the faster kernels tho right?
[03:35] <fiyawerx> and things still run ok when you do?
[03:35] <Joe1> I'll tell you, removing 386 is a non-issue.  Keep it, delete it, whatever.  I say keep it just in case.
[03:36] <Joe1> using the correct linux kernel is the right way to go, always.  I use k7 because I have an AMD 64 system.
[03:36] <sdlnxgk> I have to  say this you guys are freakin awesome in helping PeEpS out :)
[03:36] <sdolnack> fiyawerx: i booted into the new kernel, it was really slow.  so then i restarted and now i booted back into the kernel that was there before.... and it's still slow
[03:36] <Joe1> Much faster than 368.
[03:36] <fiyawerx> sdolnack: hm
[03:37] <Joe1> edit your grub loader and have the CORRECT kernal load first.
[03:37] <sdolnack> what's the "correct" kernel?
[03:37] <Joe1> but there's no need to delete 386.
[03:37] <fiyawerx> whichever one runs best for you hehe
[03:37] <sdolnack> the correct "kernel" WAS winxp but something decided to remove that from my grub list
[03:37] <Joe1> what's your processor, sdolnack?
[03:37] <sdolnack> 1.6ghz pent m
[03:37] <sdolnack> with a gig of ram
[03:37] <fiyawerx> i installed 686 and didn't even ntoice a difference between the 386
[03:37] <sdolnack> this isn't supposed to happen
[03:37] <sdolnack> i've had 686 installed
[03:38] <sdolnack> what happened was adept said there were updates that could be installed
[03:38] <sdolnack> kernel 2.6.15-23 to 15-25
[03:38] <fiyawerx> right
[03:38] <sdolnack> so it did that
[03:38] <sdolnack> and it just fux0r'd everything up it seems
[03:38] <Joe1> 386 should be the correct one then.  Unless it's 64-bit, using 686 is just wrong.
[03:38] <fiyawerx> and now even -23 runs slow?
[03:38] <sdolnack> and kept the old ones isntead of updating them
[03:38] <Joe1> as far as I know.
[03:38] <sdolnack> yes! even -23 runs slow, which is what i just don't get
[03:39] <fiyawerx> Joe1: nah 686 is ok, its still an x86 its for um whatchacalit
[03:39] <sdolnack> that "yes!" was supposed to express surprise, not rudeness
[03:39] <Joe1> really?
[03:39] <Joe1> okay...
[03:40] <sdolnack> but what i don't get was even the splash screen was acting wonky
[03:40] <Joe1> anyhow.  I suggest using adept to install synaptic.
[03:40] <Joe1> I like it MUCH better.
[03:40] <Joe1> or just sudo apt-get install synaptic.
[03:41] <fiyawerx> Joe1: you may be able to install debfoster, and use that tool to go through and just remove the packages that you want
[03:41] <fiyawerx> i _love_ debfoster
[03:41] <fiyawerx> it'll give you listings of all the packages you've installed and ask if you want to keep them, remove them, or remove them and anything else they're keeping installed
[03:41] <fiyawerx> more options too but those are the ones I use
[03:41] <Joe1> synaptic does that too.
[03:41] <fiyawerx> synaptic will remove metapackages or whatever they're called?
[03:42] <fiyawerx> i know aptitude does, but only if they're installed with aptitude
[03:42] <Joe1> I believe so.
[03:42] <fiyawerx> debfoster doesn't care how they're installed i think heh
[03:42] <Joe1> man.  Who are the admins in this room?
[03:42] <Tommy2k4> yay firefox just closed itself for no reason -__-
[03:42] <Joe1> woot!
[03:42] <fiyawerx> i've gotten so fond of konqueror over firefox lately
[03:43] <Tommy2k4> i wish i could get mplayer plugins working in opera
[03:43] <Joe1> hey, sdol, what's your graphics card?
[03:43] <Tommy2k4> dunno why it wont pick them up
[03:43] <Joe1> ...opera...
[03:44] <Tommy2k4> opera is awesome
[03:44] <Tommy2k4> firefox closed again o_o
[03:44] <Joe1> whatever, man.
[03:44] <Tommy2k4> wonder whats causing it
[03:44] <Joe1> probably opera.
[03:45] <sdolnack> how's synaptic differ from adept?
[03:45] <Tommy2k4> ur an idiot
[03:45] <Joe1> :-)
[03:45] <Joe1> synaptic is much easier to use.
[03:45] <Joe1> that's all, pretty much.
[03:46] <Joe1> sdol, what type of graphics do you have?
[03:46] <sdolnack> radeon x300
[03:46] <sdolnack> fglrx drivers
[03:46] <Joe1> ah...
[03:47] <Joe1> do you have the ATI control panel?
[03:47] <sdolnack> like i said, it was working fine until i updated the kernel
[03:47] <sdolnack> i don't htink so
[03:47] <sdolnack> firs thing though
[03:47] <sdolnack> how do i add xp back to my menu.lst
[03:47] <Joe1> okay.
[03:48] <sdolnack> ok konsole just took 15 seconds to load
[03:48] <Joe1> open up terminal or Konsole
[03:48] <Joe1> you're a few steps ahead.
[03:48] <Joe1> cool.
[03:49] <sdolnack> konsole'sopen but it's not showing "sdolnack@(my computer): "
[03:49] <sdolnack> it's just
[03:49] <sdolnack> fuxor'd beyond belief
[03:49] <fiyawerx> hm
[03:50] <Tommy2k4> well since it took 15 seconds to open it may just be going slow, give it another minute
[03:50] <sdolnack> it is going slow but it's going horrendously slow
[03:50] <sdolnack> like i said before
[03:50] <sdolnack> swiftfox used to open in less than 3 seconds
[03:50] <sdolnack> now it takes about 30
[03:50] <fiyawerx> grub-install i think can recheck for os's and reinstall itself
[03:50] <sdolnack> i have a whole stack of Criterion DVD's just begging to be watched, but alas kmplayer runs choppily
[03:51] <Joe1> I have another way.
[03:51] <Joe1> let me know if Konsole is up yet.
[03:51] <sdolnack> and top shows nothing taking up anything more than 5% of the cpu
[03:51] <sdolnack> Xorg is taking up like 85 megs of ram--is this normal?
[03:52] <sdolnack> that seems like way too much
[03:53] <sdolnack> oh btw konsole's up
[03:53] <sdolnack> haha sry
[03:53] <sdolnack> i was just loading xorg.conf
[03:53] <stewart> G'day, could someone please tell me how to get into the sound card directory in the kernel directory
[03:53] <fiyawerx> i dont think that sounds like too much for kde
[03:53] <fiyawerx> isn't that everything?
[03:53] <fiyawerx> mines at like 70 megs for xorg
[03:53] <Joe1> it might, and I hate to even think this, but it might be a screensaver that just won't shut down because the fglrx drivers aren't quite right.
[03:53] <kazukisan> Is there a way to install only base kde and install only programs you want later ??? from server that is
[03:53] <sdolnack> hmm--it's running fglrx and all
[03:53] <Joe1> okay.
[03:54] <Joe1> konsole.
[03:54] <sdolnack> could it be my updating amaroK?
[03:54] <Joe1>  cd /boot/grub
[03:54] <sdolnack> no--that makes no sense
[03:54] <fiyawerx> wow, yakuake is like 30M vmsize
[03:54] <sdolnack> aiight Joe1 i'm there
[03:54] <sdolnack> kdesu kwrite menu.lst?
[03:54] <Joe1> sudo vi menu.lst
[03:55] <sdolnack> why not just do sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[03:55] <Joe1> either way.
[03:55] <Joe1> same difference.
[03:55] <sdolnack> haha
[03:55] <sdolnack> ok so i'm here
[03:55] <sdolnack> what's dif between vi and vim?
[03:55] <sdolnack> irrelevant for now--anyway
[03:56] <Joe1> do you see anything under hda0,0?
[03:56] <sdolnack> no, it's not there
[03:56] <sdolnack> installing thre new kernel removed the entry
[03:56] <sdolnack> hold on
[03:56] <sdolnack> i need to kwrite this--i don't liek vim
[03:56] <sdolnack> vi
[03:56] <Joe1> okay.
[03:57] <Joe1> here's what you enter.
[03:57] <Joe1> title     XP
[03:57] <sdolnack> hda (0,0) for the
[03:57] <sdolnack> yeah
[03:57] <sdolnack> got that
[03:57] <sdolnack> isn't there a chainloader thing?
[03:57] <Joe1> root     (hd0,0)
[03:57] <Joe1> makeactive
[03:57] <sdolnack> and wait how do i verify that it's (0,0)
[03:58] <Joe1> chainloader  +1
[03:58] <sdolnack> aiight ace
[03:58] <sdolnack> now i just have to wait for kwrite to load
[03:58] <Joe1> lol.
[03:58] <sdolnack> which should coincide with my next birthday at this rate
[03:58] <Joe1> that really should do it.
[03:59] <Warlock> alguien que hable espaol?????
[03:59] <Joe1> no puedo hablar espanol.
[03:59] <Tommy2k4> !es
[03:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[03:59] <Warlock> gracias
[04:01] <Joe1> I would say that XP is on hd0,0 because it's installed before Linux, usually, and you don't see any entry there anyhow.
[04:01] <sdolnack> yeah
[04:01] <sdolnack> aiight
[04:01] <sdolnack> omggggggggggggg why is htis slow slow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[04:01] <sdolnack> GAHIEROGIURHg
[04:01] <Joe1> from my experience the MBR will only read XP if it's at the beginning of the disk anyhow.
[04:02] <sdolnack> ok now konsole's taking half a minute to load again
[04:02] <Joe1> AH!!!  Dinner time.
[04:02] <sdolnack> whnat he hell could possibly be csausing this slowdown!!!!!!!!!!
[04:04] <sdolnack> ok how do i save in vim?
[04:05] <nnn0> :wq
[04:05] <sdolnack> huh?
[04:05] <nnn0> eh
[04:05] <nnn0> maybe it was the other way around
[04:05] <nnn0> :qw
[04:05] <nnn0> hm
[04:05] <nnn0> *checking*
[04:05] <sdolnack> just type :wq?
[04:05] <Wabs> hmm
[04:05] <stewart> yo could some one tell me where I can find the driver for Intel Ich4?
[04:06] <nnn0> it's :wq i think
[04:06] <nnn0> but not in edit mode
[04:06] <nnn0> press esc to get out of edit mode
[04:07] <sdolnack> sigh
[04:07] <sdolnack> this is confusing
[04:07] <nnn0> :)
[04:07] <sdolnack> i'm just going to go downstairs and make some garlic mashed potatoes and read the Historian or something
[04:07] <sdolnack> i'd love to use kwrite if it'd freaking load
[04:07] <nnn0> maybe you have nano
[04:07] <sdolnack> huh?
[04:08] <nnn0> nano is another editor
[04:08] <sdolnack> i like kwrite
[04:08] <sdolnack> i prefer kwrite
[04:08] <sdolnack> but my system has decided to start hating mbe
[04:08] <nnn0> yeah nano is textbased like vi
[04:08] <sdolnack> me*
[04:08] <sdolnack> yeah, i don't like the shell text editors
[04:08] <nnn0> nano is more like you're used to
[04:08] <sdolnack> i wonder if ppl try to code software in them
[04:08] <sdolnack> that'd be ridiculous, no?
[04:08] <Shizboom> is there anyway in kde for a window to fill the whole screen but for you to still see all your panels?
[04:09] <sdolnack> coding a program in the terminal?
[04:09] <nnn0> because if you know your way around vi, it's a very efficient editor
[04:09] <sdolnack> yeah, it is
[04:09] <sdolnack> but my system is (SUPPOSED TO BE) fast enough that loading kwrite makes little diff
[04:09] <Joe1> by the way, in vi, you hit the insert button to edit.
[04:10] <nnn0> or just i
[04:10] <sdolnack> i'm htting the power button instead
[04:10] <sdolnack> adios all
[04:10] <Joe1> then the esc key to stop.
[04:10] <fiyawerx> or a
[04:10] <Joe1> and the :x keys ( in the order) to exit.
[04:10] <nnn0> :)
[04:10] <nnn0> hehe i use :q!
[04:10] <Joe1> sigh
[04:16] <stewart> could some please help me to get my damn soundcard to work
[04:16] <lwizardl> hi
[04:17] <lwizardl> i need help getting my nvidia card working i have a nforce geforce2 (iirc) motherboard
[04:19] <stewart> yo Wiz. I think we're on ouw own
[04:19] <stewart> our*
[04:21] <fiyawerx> stewart whats wrong?
[04:21] <fiyawerx> glad we could help!
[04:22] <lwizardl> fiyawerx: every time i try to install nvidia either glx or glx-legacy and restart x (ctrl+alt+backspace) ubuntu lockeds
[04:22] <lwizardl> *locks
[04:23] <fiyawerx> lwizardl: what kind of card do you have? im not a pro with this stuff can only suggest what i've done
[04:24] <lwizardl> i think its a geforce4 i know its a nforce2 motherboard
[04:24] <fiyawerx> i know after i install nvidia-glx i have issues too unless i do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, pretty much all the defaults are ok to choose, but i choose 'nvidia' for my driver instead of 'nv'
[04:24] <fiyawerx> and i have to manually add in my montiros resolution
[04:24] <fiyawerx> but all the default refresh rates and whatnot have worked for me
[04:25] <fiyawerx> you might want to try that one
[04:25] <lwizardl> ok becuase my monitor maxes at 1024x768 (flatscreen)
[04:25] <fiyawerx> yeah mines 1280x1024 and by default xserver will only let it go to 1024x768
[04:26] <caribou7> Anybody here know about NFS?  I'm having a permissions problem and not sure how to resolve it.
[04:26] <lwizardl> then the default should be ok for me becuse my monitor can't handle any higher
[04:26] <fiyawerx> but yeah the few people i know that tried that it worked for (the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choosing 'nvidia')
[04:26] <fiyawerx> yep
[04:26] <fiyawerx> i'd give that a shot
[04:26] <lwizardl> ok which version glx or legacy
[04:27] <roadrunner> Okay, I need help setting up a fairly basic network. I have my Kubuntu box connected to the internet, and I am trying to route a windows PC through my linux box to the internet...
[04:27] <SidToner> i have a quick dumb question... how do i tell if 3d acceleration is compatible of my vid card?
[04:27] <lwizardl> how do i check which card i have again
[04:27] <caribou7> I can connect to the NFS server and see the directotries and such using the regular user account...
[04:27] <roadrunner> so far, I have the two connected properly and the interfaces are configured (Connectivity between the interfaces) but I don't know how to enable internet sharing in Kubuntu
[04:27] <caribou7> directories
[04:28] <joel_> hmm hey guys im new to linux and i cant get amorak to play anything. do i need to configure anything before i can play stuff?
[04:28] <SidToner> it's a crappy laptop vid card... radeon 320u or some such
[04:28] <caribou7> But I can't actually read from or write to the disk unless I use SUDO
[04:28] <joel_> [22:27]  <joel_> hmm hey guys im new to linux and i cant get amorak to play anything. do i need to configure anything before i can play stuff?
[04:28] <roadrunner> anyone familiar with networking in linux?
[04:28] <joel_> my collection is entirely mp3
[04:28] <fiyawerx> lwizardl: im pretty sure nvidia-glx would work
[04:28] <Kr4t05> Does anyone know how I can resize an ext2/3 partition?
[04:29] <fiyawerx> joel_: mp3s you mean?
[04:29] <fiyawerx> joel_: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:29] <joel_> yes
[04:29] <joel_> oo ok
[04:29] <joel_> tnx
[04:29] <joel_> lemme try =)
[04:29] <lwizardl> fiyawerx: ok installing tht now
[04:29] <fiyawerx> joel_: make sure you restart amarok fully afterwards, not just minimize to tray
[04:29] <joel_> alright =)
[04:30] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: i _think_ qtparted can resize them
[04:30] <roadrunner> still waiting for help... anyone with basic networking knowledge
[04:30] <DarkAudit> hmm... News Rover only works in WINE when I run the install. If I try to run it from it's regulare .exe it runs with nothing on the screen
[04:30] <fiyawerx> roadrunner: hmm
[04:31] <roadrunner> fiyawerx: DId you read the original problem?
[04:31] <fiyawerx> DarkAudit: havn't seen too many people active at the moment, if it's a specific wine problem might try #wine
[04:31] <fiyawerx> roadrunner: looking now
[04:31] <DarkAudit> fiyawerx: just /joined :)
[04:31] <DarkAudit> that channel I mean
[04:31] <roadrunner> fiyawerx: I have a network setup with connectivity ans such... but I want to share an internet connection, and place both PC's in the same workgroup (For file sharing)
[04:31] <fiyawerx> roadrunner: hm
[04:32] <roadrunner> but I'm not sure how to do that with linux, I am only familiar with networking in Windows. Where do you go to setup workgroups and such in linux?
[04:33] <Kr4t05> fiyawerx, should I run that from the live CD?
[04:33] <fiyawerx> krinns: you can apt-get..
[04:34] <fiyawerx> krinns: sorry k[tab] 
[04:34] <fiyawerx> roadrunner: hm, im not that great with the internet connection sharing, sorry, i found this post
[04:34] <fiyawerx> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[04:34] <fiyawerx> its for 5.10 so may want to look around a bit more
[04:34] <actinic> can someone point me to a 'howto' or faq on upgrading the kernel?
[04:34] <roadrunner> Yeah, I tried googling it
[04:34] <roadrunner> I was just hoping someone in here has networked before
[04:35] <fiyawerx> stick around, im sure someone has :)
[04:35] <fiyawerx> im just a user who's picked up a few tricks from being here, so i help when I can
[04:35] <fiyawerx> actinic: trying to do a custom kernel?
[04:35] <fiyawerx> !kernel
[04:35] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:35] <lwizardl> ok time to test and see if the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" worked
[04:36] <actinic> i tried that
[04:36] <actinic> doesn't say much
[04:36] <actinic> i'm shocked to find no one's written a faq
[04:36] <actinic> or maybe my 2 hrs of searching was in the wrong place
[04:37] <actinic> fiyawerx, no just a newer one suited to my system
[04:38] <fiyawerx> actinic: is it in aptitude?
[04:38] <fiyawerx> or adept rather
[04:38] <actinic> probably, but i'm looking for a * complete * faq ...
[04:38] <joel_> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:38] <joel_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:38] <joel_> is only available from another source
[04:38] <joel_> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[04:38] <joel_> hmm where can i get it?
[04:38] <actinic> one which shows which to pick .... how ... what repurcussions ...
[04:38] <fiyawerx> actinic: well for example all i did was go to adept, search for 686, and chose to install the kernel
[04:39] <fiyawerx> oh
[04:39] <actinic> fiyawerx, do you have 3d acceleration?
[04:39] <actinic> is there headers to install?
[04:39] <joel_> got it
[04:39] <actinic> how does it effect grub?
[04:39] <actinic> should I back up anything?
[04:39] <fiyawerx> if it's in aptitude, that'll take care of it, it'll automatically add a grub entry
[04:39] <actinic> what else should I know?
[04:39] <fiyawerx> and it'll leave hte old kernels there
[04:39] <fiyawerx> so you can boot back into them
[04:40] <actinic> maybe it's so apparant no one's said anything :(
[04:40] <actinic> or written anything about it
[04:41] <actinic> have you personally upgraded the kernel?
[04:41] <fiyawerx> i did
[04:41] <actinic> no problems?
[04:41] <fiyawerx> i installed the 686 kernel
[04:41] <fiyawerx> from 386
[04:41] <actinic> cool, that's my plan
[04:41] <fiyawerx> it didn't do anything ntoicible for me tho
[04:41] <fiyawerx> yeah it went just like any other install
[04:41] <actinic> do you run 3d vid drivers?
[04:42] <fiyawerx> nvidia-glx is the drivers i installed, i can play enemy territory fine, not sure what else would test it
[04:42] <fiyawerx> have a nvidia 6600gt pci-e card
[04:42] <fiyawerx> works fine
[04:42] <actinic> same here
[04:42] <actinic> glxgears -printfps
[04:43] <KaiHanari> so THATS the command
[04:43] <joel_> fiyawerx: the package libxine-extracodecs, am i supposed to have that, or do i have to download all packages like this manually; is it from a repository that is not in the default list in adept?
[04:43] <fiyawerx> if i let it run normal
[04:43] <fiyawerx> i get around 7500
[04:43] <actinic> 38114 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7622.612 FPS
[04:43] <KaiHanari> HOLY SHIT.... 630fps
[04:43] <KaiHanari> on integrated VIA vid
[04:43] <fiyawerx> if i full screen it, i get around 650/700
[04:43] <fiyawerx> @1280x1024
[04:44] <fiyawerx> otherwise yeah actinic i get about that
[04:44] <actinic> i'm running at 2.7 ghz
[04:44] <fiyawerx> is that overclocked?
[04:44] <actinic> a bunch
[04:44] <KaiHanari> 2.2 ghz amd 64 3500+
[04:44] <fiyawerx> i just have mine on defaults
[04:44] <KaiHanari> onboard vid
[04:44] <actinic> opteron 146, stock = 2 ghz
[04:44] <fiyawerx> but yeah you shouldn't have any problems then
[04:45] <actinic> guess i'll try adept then
[04:45] <fiyawerx> someone told me what the 686 kernel was for once
[04:45] <actinic> i'd still feel more comfortable with a faq
[04:45] <fiyawerx> i forget, i thought it'd help cus my cpu has hyperthreading
[04:45] <actinic> but thanks
[04:45] <fiyawerx> you can always boot back into the 386 kernel
[04:45] <fiyawerx> it'll be an option in grub
[04:45] <fiyawerx> just like there's prob. 2 now
[04:45] <fiyawerx> the -23 and -25
[04:46] <actinic> KaiHanari, I hope you don't game
[04:46] <actinic> :)
[04:46] <fiyawerx> hehe
[04:46] <fiyawerx> im afraid to run it on my laptop
[04:46] <fiyawerx> sec :)
[04:46] <KaiHanari> actinic, i do but not on PC... used to, but taking a break from it while i get the money for a new vid card
[04:47] <fiyawerx> 4570 frames in 5.0 seconds = 913.810 FPS
[04:47] <fiyawerx> heh
[04:47] <KaiHanari> booting laptop...
[04:47] <actinic> i picked up a 6600gt for $60
[04:47] <actinic> they're out there
[04:47] <actinic> if you look
[04:48] <fiyawerx> pci-e?
[04:48] <KaiHanari> im going for a damn nice nVidia card, probably XFX, agp 8x definatly
[04:48] <fiyawerx> i wish i got the 256 meg version
[04:48] <fiyawerx> think i paid around 150 but this was a bit over a year ago
[04:49] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: was gonna say, you can install qtparted via apt-get
[04:49] <KaiHanari> LMAo
[04:50] <KaiHanari> glxgears on the laptop is bearly moving, its jumping
[04:50] <fiyawerx> hehe
[04:50] <Kr4t05> fiyawerx: it wouldn't have done any good, I have ext2 partitions
[04:50] <KaiHanari> yet its saying 270fps
[04:50] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: won't resize them?
[04:50] <Kr4t05> Nope
[04:50] <Kr4t05> I'll do it the hard way.
[04:50] <SidToner> hello
[04:50] <mehteenager> good bye
[04:50] <mehteenager> :p
[04:51] <fiyawerx> aha, Kr4t05
[04:51] <KaiHanari> its got a high framerate alright, its turning the same as a clock, actually 1 click each sec too
[04:51] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: p   ext2resize                                                     - an ext2 filesystem resizer
[04:51] <KaiHanari> yet 270fps
[04:51] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: apt-get install ext2resize, try that one :)
[04:51] <Kr4t05> This is something I could have heard about before. ><
[04:51] <fiyawerx> lol
[04:51] <SidToner> i'm trying to follow a tutorial on how to install xgl... and i got to a part where i'm stuck... where do i go to configer Xorg? it seems to want me to add lines to a script
[04:51] <Kr4t05> fiyawerx: E: Couldn't find package ext2resize
[04:51] <fiyawerx> sec
[04:52] <KaiHanari> ive had bad experiences with changing paramaters of ext2 or 3 fs's
[04:52] <fiyawerx> might have to enable the repo for it
[04:52] <Kr4t05> Meh
[04:52] <KaiHanari> VERY bad experiences... worked perfect till i rebooted, then the partition was unreadable
[04:52] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: its from universe
[04:52] <KaiHanari> lost a LOT of stuff, family pics, music, videos, a lot
[04:52] <fiyawerx> Kr4t05: you'll have to enable that repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:53] <SidToner> why not just use the program from the 6.0.6 live cd?
[04:53] <fiyawerx> not sure if that can resize ext2
[04:53] <fiyawerx> i think he said he tried it
[04:54] <fiyawerx> anyway, thats just my (un)professional opinion :) stick around for the real pro's
[04:54] <SidToner> any idea on my quandry? how to add config lines to Xorg?
[04:54] <fiyawerx> SidToner: do they mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <SidToner> will check
[04:55] <fiyawerx> i mean you can edit that
[04:55] <fiyawerx> with whatever editor you like
[04:55] <fiyawerx> works out, i gotta go guys
[04:56] <SidToner> thanks
[04:56] <osiris> how do i list running daemons, and stop them from starting at boot.
[04:57] <sdolnack> exorcise them
[04:57] <sdolnack> the daemons, i mean
[04:57] <sdolnack> how do i checkwhat version of kde i'm running?
[04:58] <Hawkwind> osiris: systemsettings -> System Services
[04:58] <Kr4t05> gar...
[04:58] <Hawkwind> sdolnack: kde-config --version | grep KDE
[04:58] <osiris> rather not use the gui tools for this
[05:00] <_bbeck> osiris: check out the update-rc.d command
[05:01] <Kr4t05> Looks like it worked...
[05:07] <joel_> hey im new is there a good recommended list of repositories i can add to my default sources.list
[05:09] <TheHighChild> anyone running compiz on a Radeon 7500?
[05:12] <Kr4t05> joel_, I would just uncomment the universe repositories and add "multiverse" to the end of them.
[05:16] <stewart> how do you install rpm files
[05:16] <Kr4t05> stewart, Ubuntu is Debian based.
[05:16] <joel_> Kr4t05: ic, how are the packages different? do packages overlap?
[05:16] <stewart> shit ur right, any Idea about Limewire that comes in .deb
[05:17] <OOD> stewart: you can convert rpm's do deb's with alien
[05:18] <Kr4t05> joel_, the repositories are collections of packages that you can download and install. The "universe" and "multiverse" repositories contain packages that Ubuntu doesn't require. If you want to install non-free (closed source) software, you should enable these repositories.
[05:19] <Kr4t05> joel_, if you want to play mp3s, you would need a package from the "uni/multiverse".
[05:19] <Kr4t05> stewart, use alien at your own risk.
[05:20] <joel_> Kr4t05: ic, thanks for the explanation =)
[05:21] <Kr4t05> joel_, no problem.
[05:22] <stewart> thanks guys
[05:28] <AmazingRuss> Hi.  Ive got a problem with delay....sounds dont come out until almost a second after they are triggered.  Anybody know how I can lower this latency?
[05:29] <mehteenager> You could try playing with the arts cache
[05:30] <AmazingRuss> dunno what the arts cache is
[05:30] <AmazingRuss> what conf file does it live in?
[05:30] <joel_> hey Kr4t05, i installed libxine-extracodecs but my files still dont play.. i double click my song and it just skips each song right till the end of the playlist
[05:31] <mehteenager> kcontrol
[05:31] <mehteenager> Under sound
[05:31] <joel_> ?
[05:31] <AmazingRuss>  system settings you mean?
[05:31] <AmazingRuss> nm..found it
[05:32] <AmazingRuss> wierd...that wasn't in the other control panel...looks likely though...
[05:32] <joel_> anyone can help?
[05:32] <joel_> [23:30]  <joel_> hey Kr4t05, i installed libxine-extracodecs but my files still dont play.. i double click my song and it just skips each song right till the end of the playlist
[05:34] <dr_willis> hmm - i cant recall ever hearing of libxine-extracodecs
[05:35] <dr_willis> !info libxine-extracodecs
[05:35] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[05:35] <mehteenager> It's for mp3s
[05:35] <mehteenager> joel_: What are you using?
[05:35] <joel_> amorak
[05:36] <dr_willis> i tend to use xmms or beep-media-player
[05:36] <dr_willis> !mp3
[05:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:37] <lwizardl> hi
[05:37] <joel_> thanks
[05:37] <joel_> hm while im trying to figure this out
[05:38] <lwizardl> i just installed the kubuntu distro and after i install nvidia and restartx it hangs at a blue kubuntu logo
[05:38] <joel_> whats the equivalent of ctrl-alt-del for linux
[05:38] <joel_> to bring up ksysguard or something
[05:38] <fiyawerx> well, the cd's do exist!
[05:38] <fiyawerx> just got my boatload in the mail
[05:38] <fiyawerx> kubuntu and ubuntu
[05:38] <lwizardl> fiyawerx: that dpkg didn't work
[05:39] <fiyawerx> lwizardl same prob?
[05:39] <lwizardl> yup
[05:39] <fiyawerx> damn, sorry man :(
[05:39] <lwizardl> "i just installed the kubuntu distro and after i install nvidia and restartx it hangs at a blue kubuntu logo"
[05:39] <fiyawerx> gonna take someone with more knowledge than myself or the forums then
[05:41] <OOD> joel_: Ctrl+Esc
[05:41] <joel_> ooo
[05:41] <joel_> tns OOD
[05:42] <OOD> np
[05:43] <joel_> wooo i hear muuusic
[05:43] <lwizardl> anyone here ever get kubuntu to lockup at the logo screen after ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:43] <nixternal> press alt+f1
[05:43] <nixternal> when that happens
[05:43] <dr_willis> lwizardl,  you get to the KDM login screen?
[05:43] <lwizardl> dr_willis: yes
[05:44] <dr_willis> thats odd...
[05:44] <lwizardl> before i did the nvidia install
[05:44] <nixternal> lockup at the kdm screen?
[05:44] <dr_willis> i ment after L:)
[05:44] <LittleMe> sounds like it might be xorg.conf issue?
[05:44] <lwizardl> after i did the install it locks up at the kubuntu blue logo screen where its loading all the system settings
[05:45] <RawSewage> lwizardl, yes
[05:45] <RawSewage> did you recently edit that one file
[05:45] <RawSewage> yeah, xorg.conf
[05:46] <RawSewage> probably the monitor name
[05:46] <lwizardl> i used the conf command
[05:47] <RawSewage> I guess you messed up that file somehow
[05:47] <RawSewage> oh
[05:47] <RawSewage> did yo paste sometthings in it
[05:47] <lwizardl> here is what i get on the card
[05:47] <RawSewage> paste your xorg.conf
[05:47] <lwizardl> http://pastebin.ca/84614
[05:47] <elknof1> hey
[05:48] <RawSewage> paste your xorg.conf
[05:48] <lwizardl> reinstalling nvidia now
[05:49] <elknof1> hi everybody, im having troubles while booting on my pc the alternate of dapper...   any clue??  it does not boot from that specific cd, cause i've tryoing whit suse,and breezy (kubuntu), with no problems...
[05:49] <lwizardl> i had to reinstall kubuntu becuase the system was fubared wouldn't even boot from livecd other than install
[05:49] <RawSewage> why do you use the alternate
[05:50] <elknof1> cause of small RAM
[05:50] <lwizardl> ok nvidia installed
[05:51] <lwizardl> and i change nv to nvidia correct?
[05:52] <RawSewage> yes
[05:52] <LittleMe> yes
[05:53] <elknof1> any clue of that issue???
[05:53] <LittleMe> need more info
[05:53] <LittleMe> when does it fail
[05:53] <lwizardl> ok and my card says Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[05:53] <RawSewage> cant you paste your xorg.conf
[05:54] <lwizardl> sure
[05:55] <lwizardl> http://pastebin.ca/84616
[05:56] <RawSewage> how did your monitor name get entered
[05:56] <RawSewage> automatically?
[05:56] <lwizardl> yes
[05:58] <elknof1> LittleMe, it's exactly when i turn on the computer, so i wait until boots start... the order for booting is cd-rom/floppy/net/hd so, when the kubuntu alternate disk is in, it just skip the cd-rom step of booting... theres no message, no nothing, it just go on, and boots from hd since there is no boot in the floppy nor network...
[05:58] <RawSewage> bah
[06:00] <RawSewage> oh
[06:00] <RawSewage> lwizardl, youre missing from the Monitor
[06:00] <sdolnack> so lemme get this straight
[06:00] <RawSewage> your vert and horz res
[06:00] <Kr4t05> Anyone know how to remove xubuntu?
[06:00] <sdolnack> i cannot run shockwave on linux.  period.
[06:00] <LittleMe> elknof1: then you need to set your computer to boot off of the cd
[06:00] <sdolnack> Kr4t05: are you trying to install another OS, or just remove the partition?
[06:00] <RawSewage> lwizardl, in my monitor section I have:
[06:00] <RawSewage> 	HorizSync	31-69
[06:00] <LittleMe> elknof1: you can do that in your bios setup (press del usually)
[06:00] <RawSewage> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[06:00] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, niether can anyone else.
[06:01] <sdolnack> that's what i'm trying to confirm
[06:01] <sdolnack> that bites hardcore
[06:01] <elknof1> LittleMe, how's that to boot off of the cd??
[06:01] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, I installed xubuntu-desktop, as in the package I installed to make xubuntu available in KDM.
[06:01] <LittleMe> elknof1: how did you burn the CD? maybe it's not been burned properly
[06:01] <RawSewage> lwizardl, you know what I mean
[06:02] <LittleMe> elknof1: otherwise, check another CD to see if your computer will boot of it (like windows or another llinux)
[06:02] <sdolnack> Kr4t05: what exactly are you trying to accomplish; what is your end goal
[06:02] <elknof1> yup, its burned properly, i've tryed that cd on my lap and works just perfct
[06:02] <sdolnack> like you want to remove xubunt and.....
[06:02] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, I have KDE installed, I want to remove XFCE
[06:02] <sdolnack> oh
[06:02] <sdolnack> ok
[06:02] <sdolnack> can't you do taht in adept?
[06:03] <sdolnack> hold on
[06:03] <elknof1> LittleMe, that the point, i've tryed with suse, and windows, and breezy, and it worked perfect
[06:03] <lwizardl> what i don't get is that 5.10 worked great for my system i had to install and edit nv to nvidia and worked great. now in 6.06 not so great
[06:03] <dr_willis> xubuntu-desktop is a meta package that installs a lot of other packages.. its not that easy to just uninstall it.
[06:03] <RawSewage> lwizardl, did you see what I said
[06:03] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, I want to remove everything I got when I did "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[06:03] <LittleMe> elknof1: ahh then maybe the CD is not good
[06:03] <RawSewage> it looks like you accidenatlly deleted the  horiz and vert from your xorg.conf
[06:03] <sdolnack> what about sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop
[06:03] <Kr4t05> dr_willis, so, I just have to go through and peck at them?
[06:03] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, that only removes the meta-package.
[06:04] <sdolnack> ahh
[06:04] <dr_willis> basicially
[06:04] <lwizardl> what i don't get is that 5.10 worked great for my system i had to install and edit nv to nvidia and worked great. now in 6.06 not so great
[06:04] <dr_willis> i never uninstall anything :P
[06:04] <elknof1> LittleMe, even if i've tested it in other 4 machines with normal results??
[06:04] <lwizardl> any idea?
[06:04] <shura> quick questions
[06:04] <sdolnack> shura: quick answers
[06:04] <shura> why is my drive 30gb and kubuntu says its 12gb
[06:04] <LittleMe> elknof1: oh then maybe your CD drive doesn't like the cd
[06:05] <RawSewage> this is stupid
[06:05] <elknof1> LittleMe, yeahhh!!  its incredible!!, i even tryed burning one more alternate, with the same results....
[06:06] <elknof1> im giving' up..
[06:06] <shura> hello?
[06:06] <shura> quick answer?
[06:06] <LittleMe> elknof1: do you have another drive you can swap with it?
[06:06] <dr_willis> hi
[06:06] <LittleMe> elknof1: it could still be your motherboard though.
[06:07] <elknof1> LittleMe, nope...  but i'll find one...   ok anyway thanks, i give up for today...
[06:07] <shura> will someone please answer my question?
[06:07] <LittleMe> get big ram chips :)
[06:07] <shura> already have enough ram
[06:07] <LittleMe> or try xubuntu
[06:07] <actinic> shura, sudo fdisk -l
[06:07] <LittleMe> shura: whats your question
[06:07] <shura> which means?
[06:07] <actinic> what's it say?
[06:07] <shura> oh
[06:07] <LittleMe> not talking to you
[06:08] <shura> on kubuntu is shows my 30gb drive as 12gb
[06:08] <Kr4t05> shura, your BIOS may not support that large of a disk?
[06:08] <shura> i used to have windows on this comptuer
[06:08] <shura> it shows 30gb
[06:08] <shura> showed*
[06:08] <Kr4t05> shura, or, it's not partitioned right.
[06:08] <shura> should i repartition it?
[06:08] <LittleMe> shura: yeah it may not be partitioned right
[06:08] <shura> i used the CD version
[06:08] <LittleMe> so...
[06:08] <Kr4t05> shura, that's the only version there is, really. :>
[06:08] <shura> thank you
[06:09] <shura> there is also the DVD one
[06:09] <LittleMe> makes no difference
[06:09] <actinic> where does it say 12gb?
[06:09] <shura> i used the one that is 700mb, not the 3gb one or whatever size there was
[06:09] <shura> when i hold my mouse over my drive
[06:09] <Kr4t05> shura, like LittleMe said, makes not diff.
[06:09] <Kr4t05> no*
[06:09] <shura> ok, no difference...just need to repartition
[06:09] <Kr4t05> shura...
[06:09] <shura> and my USB deosnt work
[06:10] <Kr4t05> wait
[06:10] <Kr4t05> shura, where are you holding your mouse over the drive?
[06:10] <Kr4t05> On the desktop?
[06:10] <shura> the middle
[06:10] <Kr4t05> Where?
[06:10] <LittleMe> I chew on my usb cables - makes them work better
[06:10] <shura> system > storage media
[06:10] <Kr4t05> LittleMe, er, ok...
[06:10] <Kr4t05> Hold on
[06:10] <shura> it says hard disk hda2
[06:11] <Kr4t05> That's not right.
[06:11] <Kr4t05> Is there an hda1 there?
[06:11] <shura> no
[06:11] <Kr4t05> Yeah, it needs to be repartitioned.
[06:11] <shura> and i reformated the drive so windows is gone
[06:11] <Kr4t05> Start over, man.
[06:11] <shura> ok
[06:11] <shura> will do
[06:11] <shura> thanks
[06:11] <elknof1> changing on issues...  can someone stream videos with xine engine and kaffeine in a local network???
[06:11] <Kr4t05> No problem.
[06:11] <shura> bye
[06:12] <Kr4t05> elknof1, if they have the right codecs. I would figure they could.
[06:12] <Kr4t05> Maybe?
[06:15] <actinic> where's there a 'howto', faq, or guide to upgrading the kernel?
[06:15] <elknof1> Kr4t05, can the codecs (libxine-extracodecs) of the universe multiverse works??   i can play those videos only if i download them to the computer in wich im trying to play with, but if i try to open them  in my computer from someone elses computer, on the local network it just dont play it...
[06:16] <Kr4t05> elknof1, what OS does the "other" computer run? Ubuntu?
[06:16] <lwizardl> anyone have an idea on why kubuntu keeps hanging on my system
[06:16] <lwizardl> anyone have an idea on why kubuntu keeps hanging on my system
[06:16] <elknof1> Kr4t05, XP...
[06:17] <dr_willis> hmm
[06:17] <LittleMe> linux xp?   (/me ducks)
[06:17] <actinic> where's there a 'howto', faq, or guide to upgrading the kernel?
[06:17] <Kr4t05> elknof1, hrm... I can't say I know exactly what you're trying to do.
[06:17] <Kr4t05> !kernel
[06:17] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:17] <actinic> nah, tried that
[06:18] <sdolnack> will a custom-compiled kernel make that much of a diff?
[06:18] <Kr4t05> actinic, that's the only way to "upgrade" the kernel.
[06:18] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, only sometimes.
[06:18] <sdolnack> actinic
[06:18] <sdolnack> just update it w/ synaptic and boot with it
[06:18] <Kr4t05> sdolnack, if you add certain modules and such.
[06:18] <dr_willis> sdolnack,  i doubt it.
[06:18] <actinic> Kr4t05, semantics aside I want to change FROM 386 TO 686
[06:19] <actinic> sdolnack, am I looking at reinstalling my nvidia 3d drivers?
[06:19] <dr_willis> You can easially install the 686 kernel
[06:19] <dr_willis> and yes - you proberly will have to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[06:19] <actinic> dr_willis, easy huh?  i'm listening :)
[06:19] <dr_willis> trivial
[06:20] <dr_willis> fire up synaptic or whatever and look for the 686 kernels
[06:20] <actinic> ok
[06:20] <dr_willis> install.. reboot.. install the nvidia drivers  may be needed
[06:20] <sdolnack> i got 686 kernels
[06:20] <sdolnack> they're lovely
[06:20] <dr_willis> !nvidia
[06:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:20] <sdolnack> but the unpopped ones still suck
[06:20] <elknof1> !dma
[06:20] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing.  It makes hard disks run faster,  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[06:20] <actinic> dr_willis, no headers necessary?
[06:21] <sdolnack> iiiiiii've decided i don't need a (Recovery Mode) for every one of the four kernels i have installed (i don't know why i have foru kernels installed)
[06:21] <actinic> don't have to save grub?
[06:21] <actinic> that kinda stuff?
[06:21] <dr_willis> actinic,  its precompiuled kernels -  and it should auto-add a new entry to grub for the new kernel
[06:21] <dr_willis> You are making it way too hard. :P lol
[06:21] <actinic> lol
[06:21] <actinic> the million $ question:  will I see any improvement?
[06:22] <dr_willis> perhaps a little
[06:22] <dr_willis> ive never noticed much
[06:22] <dr_willis> but its hard to benchmark/prove such things
[06:23] <actinic> i'm running an opteron
[06:23] <actinic> suggestion on kernel?
[06:23] <actinic> a64 flavor I presume
[06:24] <dr_willis> no idea. i use amd only these days :P
[06:24] <dr_willis> i dont even mess with 64 bit disrtos on them.
[06:25] <actinic> well opteron is an AMD ya know :)
[06:25] <actinic> o
[06:25] <sdolnack> actinic just google
[06:25] <actinic> i've heard some of the a64 kernels have multimedia glitches to them
[06:26] <dr_willis> I find that every os/pc/whatever - has glitches of some kind. :P
[06:27] <actinic> sdolnack, do you see any performance differences?
[06:27] <sdolnack> if you install the new kernel, it doens't rewiite the old one
[06:27] <sdolnack> for 686? a bit, yes
[06:27] <sdolnack> on my pentium M
[06:27] <actinic> is what way?
[06:27] <actinic> faster app loading?
[06:27] <sdolnack> yeah
[06:27] <sdolnack> just snappier performance
[06:27] <actinic> better typing?  :)
[06:27] <dr_willis> It installs the new kernel and adds an entry for it in the grub menus
[06:27] <sdolnack> loads a bit faster as well
[06:27] <sdolnack> hahaha
[06:27] <actinic> lol
[06:27] <sdolnack> i'm already an excellent typer ;-)
[06:27] <actinic> i can see
[06:27] <sdolnack> i need no kernel to improve on that
[06:27] <sdolnack> haha
[06:28] <actinic> does your email retrieve faster, lol
[06:28] <actinic> :)
[06:28] <sdolnack> you download things like twice as fast
[06:28] <sdolnack> and you can run battlefield 2 in wine
[06:28] <actinic> woa!
[06:28] <sdolnack> haha i'm kidding
[06:28] <actinic> and i can get the girl of my dreams
[06:28] <dr_willis> tge BIG question.. does PORN download faster? Look better?
[06:28] <dr_willis> :)
[06:29] <actinic> oh yeah baby
[06:29] <sdolnack> yeah it does
[06:29] <LittleMe> bf2 works in wine?
[06:30] <LittleMe> hehe
[06:30] <sdolnack> no
[06:30] <sdolnack> bf2 does not work in wine
[06:30] <sdolnack> i wish system shock 2 did though
[06:30] <sdolnack> but it doesn't
[06:30] <sdolnack> and i have to boot in xp to play that (ugh)
[06:31] <actinic> i was at a 300 person lan 2 weeks ago
[06:31] <dr_willis> SystemShock2 - heh - i aint played that in ages.
[06:31] <LittleMe> TA Spring has a linux version now but it's really difficult to figure out
[06:31] <LittleMe> i was playing it in xp and it's really cool :)
[06:31] <dr_willis> wasent that a DOS game?
[06:31] <dr_willis> i forget now. :)
[06:31] <LittleMe> I mostly play TomeNET and quake4 in linux heh
[06:32] <LittleMe> no it was windows
[06:32] <actinic> lan pic: http://www.lancamp.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=6&g2_itemId=17250
[06:32] <LittleMe> TA=total annihilation   taspring is a new rework that's GPL
[06:32] <actinic> they were all running linux .... not  :)
[06:33] <LittleMe> what game was that
[06:33] <LittleMe> nice pic
[06:33] <actinic> BF2, UT, Far Cry, CS ..
[06:33] <actinic> they had 'em all
[06:33] <LittleMe> nice where is that! :)
[06:33] <actinic> Phoenix
[06:33] <actinic> Inside Intel's plant
[06:33] <actinic> they were one of the corp sponsors
[06:34] <sdolnack> actinic: if you download/install the 64bit kernel, and it doens't work, you can alwyas boot in 386 again
[06:34] <sdolnack> it leaves your current kernel intact
[06:34] <actinic> thanks buddy
[06:34] <Kr4t05> How would I make an ISO of a CD?
[06:34] <sdolnack> www.google.com
[06:35] <Kr4t05> !CoC
[06:35] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[06:35] <sdolnack> haha i was kidding
[06:35] <sdolnack> you stupid meanie jerkface
[06:35] <sdolnack> go home!
[06:36] <LittleMe> actinic: you can't mix a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland
[06:36] <actinic> Kr4t05, i'm nice tonight:  http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?act=ST&f=14&t=503&st=344
[06:36] <sdolnack> oh nevermind then
[06:36] <sdolnack> wher'es Snake?
[06:36] <lwizardl> anyone have an idea on why kubuntu keeps hanging on my system
[06:36] <sdolnack> lwizardl: elaborate some more
[06:36] <sdolnack> when does it hang
[06:36] <LittleMe> lwizardl: yes for the same reason chicks hang on me - we are irrisitable
[06:37] <sdolnack> has it worked before? or has it always hung
[06:37] <sdolnack> what kind of system do you have
[06:37] <sdolnack> if it keeps hanging, haveyou considered gettign it declawed?
[06:37] <lwizardl> ok after installing nvidia and editing the conf from nv to nvidia and then restarting x it hangs at the blue kubuntu logo
[06:38] <Kr4t05> actinic, merci
[06:38] <LittleMe> lwizardl: tail your /var/log/messages
[06:38] <actinic> I consider this a Kubuntu 'must read': http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[06:38] <actinic> check it out
[06:38] <actinic> 42 pages of tweaking
[06:39] <sdolnack> girlie so groovy, i want you to know!
[06:39] <joel_> hmm i just installed some applications (games).. where do i go to access the games? they are not in applications
[06:40] <lwizardl> actinic: but if i restart x i end up having to reinstall the whole os
[06:40] <sdolnack> joel_: try Konsole
[06:40] <actinic> lwizardl, huh?
[06:40] <sdolnack> joel_: or add them by right-clicking the K Menu and clicking Menu Editor
[06:40] <sdolnack> and adding them
[06:40] <joel_> ack, Konsole?
[06:40] <sdolnack> yeah
[06:40] <joel_> hmm ic
[06:40] <sdolnack> the terminal
[06:40] <sdolnack> just type in the name of the gam
[06:40] <sdolnack> e
[06:41] <sdolnack> or make desktop shortcuts
[06:41] <LittleMe> lwizardl: no you don't need to reinstall the whole os if x hangs
[06:41] <Kr4t05> actinic, cat: /dev/hdb: Input/output error
[06:41] <joel_> it was the kde game metapackage
[06:41] <LittleMe> lwizardl: just press ctrl-alt-F2 to get a console login and restore your xorg.conf from a backup (if you made one)
[06:41] <lwizardl> actinic: after i install nvidia and edit the conf to nvidia and then restart i can't get anywhere else
[06:42] <actinic> lwizardl, I understand but why ask me?  I know squat
[06:42] <joel_> and there alot of games in the kde game package
[06:42] <joel_> shouldn't they show up under games like it does in add and remove automatically? or maybe not..
[06:43] <actinic> Kr4t05, is hdb your cd drive?
[06:43] <Kr4t05> actinic, yep
[06:44] <Kr4t05> actinic, it's a Playstation game I'm trying to back up.
[06:44] <actinic> hmmm
[06:44] <Kr4t05> That may be the issue.
[06:45] <Kr4t05> It works.
[06:46] <actinic> most cd drives are /dev/hdc
[06:46] <actinic> or so i thought
[06:46] <Kr4t05> Mine's /dev/hdb
[06:46] <Kr4t05> Always as been
[06:46] <actinic> it's mounted?
[06:47] <Kr4t05> BUT with the creation of an .iso image only data files of the iso9660 filesytem are copied. Thus there are no error correction codes and headers copied, also there's no possibility to copy a cd consisting of multiple data or audio tracks, you'll just get the iso9660 formated data. The only advantage of creating an .iso file instead of copying the data manually from the mounted cd, is that the bootable block of the CD is also copied to
[06:47] <Kr4t05>  the image. So the .iso format is great for purposes like holding a collection of distribution CDs. But e.g. PlayStation cds consist normally of more than one track, so an .iso image wouldn't work here.
[06:48] <Kr4t05> Drat
[06:48] <jerry> I have a question
[06:48] <Kr4t05> Then ask it.
[06:48] <jerry> I got wine
[06:48] <jerry> and I installed something
[06:48] <SmrtJustin> uhh huh
[06:48] <jerry> I see c:\program files
[06:49] <joel_> hey, is there a way to browse all applications in kubuntu
[06:49] <jerry> but I don't see that folder
[06:49] <jerry> What should I do?
[06:49] <abattoir> joel_: applications:/ ioslave in konqueror
[06:49] <joel_> ic
[06:49] <joel_> tnx
[06:49] <abattoir> np
[06:50] <joel_> hmm what's the ioslave?
[06:50] <actinic> lwizardl, wonder if you can copy your backup xorg.conf back in
[06:50] <jerry> Where is c:\program files?
[06:50] <Kr4t05> jerry, ~/.wine/c_drive/
[06:50] <Kr4t05> I think
[06:51] <abattoir> joel_: open konqueror->type applications:/ in the addressbar..
[06:51] <sully> is this working
[06:51] <SmrtJustin> sully: if you mean your irc client, I'd say yes
[06:51] <sully> woohoo
[06:51] <GullyFoyle> hello? is this thing on?
[06:51] <GullyFoyle> ;)
[06:51] <joel_> abattoir: it doesn't seem to be displaying all the programs..particularly the newly installed ones..do i have to restart the computer?
[06:51] <SmrtJustin> if only I got that excited everytime my irc client connected
[06:52] <sully> im new to all this
[06:52] <SmrtJustin> ahh, then it is quite an accomplishment
[06:52] <jerry> How do I run megamud.exe?
[06:52] <abattoir> joel_: in most cases, that would not be necessary, but you could give it a shot if you want
[06:52] <joel_> ic, tnx again =)
[06:53] <SmrtJustin> abattoir: that doesn't show much more than whats in your K menu does it?
[06:53] <joel_> i thought so, does it?
[06:53] <abattoir> SmrtJustin: no it doesnt :)
[06:53] <jerry> It's not working
[06:53] <sully> anyone have much luck installing codecs into kaffine?
[06:54] <SmrtJustin> I'm more of a mplayer fan
[06:54] <jerry> This /home/jerry/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Megamud/megamud.exe
[06:54] <jerry> how do I run that?
[06:54] <SmrtJustin> try: wine /home/jerry/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Megamud/megamud.exe
[06:54] <SmrtJustin> or maybe: cd
[06:54] <SmrtJustin> or maybe: cd /home/jerry/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Megamud && wine megamud.exe
[06:55] <SmrtJustin> that may work better, sometimes w/ wine, it doesn't work right if your not in the applications directory.
[06:55] <joel_> abattoir: does this mean i have to add all the games to my Kmenu?
[06:55] <jerry> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\megamud.exe": Module not found
[06:55] <jerry> jerry@betty:~$
[06:55] <Kr4t05> sully, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:56] <Hawkwind> jerry: You really should ask all this wine related stuff in the appropriate channel, #WineHQ
[06:56] <sully> mplayer = the default movie player ubuntu installs?
[06:56] <SmrtJustin> jerry: I've never had that good of luck with wine, I would deffinetly try asking in the wine channel
[06:57] <Hawkwind> Seems people tell you that almost every night that #WineHQ is the best place for that stuff
[06:57] <Hawkwind> Those guys there know it better than anyone
[06:57] <sully> thx Kr4t05
[06:58] <joel_> KDEinit could not launch 'whatever'
[06:58] <joel_> what does that mean?
[06:59] <joel_> hm does it mean the packages weren't installed correctly?
[06:59] <sdolnack> My dear Zampano, who did you lose?
[07:02] <ryan__> how can I configure camba in ubuntu
[07:02] <SpAwN> !xgl
[07:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:10] <sdolnack> i've got a 1.6ghz Pentium M, 1 gig of ram, and an ati radeon x300--do you guys think i'll be able to get xgl/compiz runnign smoothly?
[07:11] <unix_infidel> you have the specs, but xgl is its own beast.
[07:12] <sdolnack> how so
[07:16] <sully> A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll   (((After installing codec))) what needs to be done?
[07:17] <sully> simply put the .dll in directory?
[07:20] <usp8riot> can someone tell me how to change file permissions?
[07:20] <sully> has everyone left? or is my text failing to reach server?
[07:20] <usp8riot> i keep chmod'ing a directory and it doesn't work
[07:20] <usp8riot> hey
[07:21] <sully> usp8 I, simply right clicked on desiered file, then properties, then open with, then choice prog you wish to use
[07:21] <SpAwN> !xgl
[07:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:22] <usp8riot> i made a new mnt directory and by default it's all root permissions
[07:22] <usp8riot> it's a windows shared directory. is there a command to change an entire directory permission?
[07:23] <jmichaelx> would anyone here know how to change what program is brought up in firefox for streaming video? mplayer sucks, in my opinion, even if it is the only thing we have for some streams. i would like to be able to use real player in some instances, if possible
[07:24] <usp8riot> i use mplayer, tried vlc but it kept hanging up on a site
[07:24] <usp8riot> i just uninstalled vlc, i didn't know either
[07:24] <osiris> mplayer fan here
[07:24] <sully> jmich... im here for same problem. I, did download kaffine and installed the xtra codecs, but still getting error on .wmv files
[07:25] <sully> but to change from movie player to kaffine just download a file you want to change preffered app with, then right clcik it select properties, then select what ever you wish to use
[07:26] <usp8riot> sully: it doesn't do that with embedded video
[07:26] <sully> going to try mplayer next i guess
[07:29] <sully> ok i re-read your correct
[07:30] <usp8riot> anyone know how to make a directory writable?
[07:31] <usp8riot> i'm new to the chmod stuff
[07:32] <jmichaelx> i have had people in here tell me how great mplayer is. it works, sometimes, but i have never seen it work great
[07:34] <sully> im just now getting mplayer
[07:36] <jmichaelx> mplayer has its place, and it is improving with time, but it has a long, long way to go
[07:36] <sully> whats file name for xtra codecs mplayer?
[07:36] <jmichaelx> streaming media is probably the only reason i still have any PCs with windows on them
[07:37] <unix_infidel> that and...games
[07:37] <unix_infidel> :P
[07:37] <unix_infidel> heck, even vba runs more smoothly on win32
[07:37] <sully> im new to linux, i can do a lot with it, but still dual boot into windows daily for stuff
[07:38] <jmichaelx> i am not really into games, supertux and chess are enough for me :P
[07:38] <jmichaelx> i log into windows once or twice a week
[07:38] <jmichaelx> mainly for streaming content that mplayer cannot handle
[07:39] <unix_infidel> jmichaelx: what do you use to play chess?
[07:39] <unix_infidel> jmichaelx: just general online java stuff?
[07:40] <KDEfanboy> am i imagining things or is xine-lib compiled without any type of aRts support?
[07:40] <sully> anyone know how to install the codecs for mplayer?
[07:41] <usp8riot> apt-cache search mplayer codec
[07:41] <unix_infidel> sully: /join #mplayer and get read the topic.
[07:41] <usp8riot> then apt-install
[07:41] <sully> thx
[07:43] <usp8riot> sully: nm, i think i told you wrong
[07:43] <usp8riot> i think i went to the mplayer site, i'm pretty sure
[07:43] <sully> i not see it there
[07:43] <sully> ok i'll check there
[07:44] <usp8riot> http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/design7/codecs.html
[07:46] <sdolnack> how do i view my system spex
[07:48] <usp8riot> system settings
[07:49] <usp8riot> or Kinfo center
[08:01] <NKjoep> hi ppl
[08:03] <eniac_petrov> hi all
[08:04] <sdolnack> hi
[08:04] <ubuntu> hi
[08:07] <NKjoep> any eciadsl expert here? :D
[08:08] <eniac_petrov> I am lamer
[08:09] <ubuntu> hi
[08:15] <fre1> q. i would like a user to be able to run some command with CAP_NET_RAW capability but not have the root... how can i do that ?
[08:18] <fre1> likely too early for such question :)
[08:21] <stoic> would anyone in here know how to fix problems with firefox?
[08:23] <fre1> stoic, your question is too generic to be answered :)
[08:24] <stoic> ok sorry let me rephraze that, every time i start firefox and visit a website other than my homepage, the program crashes on me, i have tried reinstalling it, i have tried removing the application and compleatly reinstalling it, and i have tried reinstalling the flashplayers it uses and it still doesnt work\
[08:24] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi everyone
[08:25] <stoic> any ideas?
[08:25] <fre1> stoic, your firefox crash when you visit any website !??!
[08:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Does Kubuntu make log files of the shutdown by default and if yes, where can I find them?
[08:25] <fre1> stoic, surprising as in never heard before
[08:26] <fre1> MilhousePunkRock: in /var/log/Messages
[08:26] <stoic> well it more or less shuts itself down, because it does not say the program crashed, its more like someone remotly shuts it down
[08:26] <fre1> message without M
[08:26] <fre1> stoic: even simple stuff like google.com ?
[08:26] <stoic> yep. anything outside the homepage, it lasts for about 5 seconds then shuts down
[08:27] <fre1> well i have no clue why, but i can tell you that firefox is known to be reliable
[08:27] <fre1> so my guess is that the issue is triggered by firefox but not in firefox itself
[08:27] <stoic> i downloaded opera, but when it downloads torrent files... they are huge, like 250 mb
[08:27] <fre1> have you tried other browser ?
[08:28] <fre1> yep but what about the browsing ?
[08:28] <stoic> browsing is fine
[08:28] <stoic> with opera
[08:28] <fre1> konqueror ?
[08:28] <qbit> you could try renaming the .mozilla directory in your home and starting with a virgin setup
[08:28] <stoic> i have not tried konqueror
[08:28] <stoic> hold on
[08:28] <qbit> if it makes any difference it is in the config
[08:29] <stoic> where might that be located at?
[08:29] <stoic> o nvm
[08:29] <stoic> ok
[08:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Thx fre1, but what I am looking for is not in there
[08:29] <qbit> if it's segfaulting you might try running it from the command line in konsole
[08:30] <stoic> naw, konqueror runs just fine
[08:30] <stoic> its only firefox
[08:31] <fre1> you may try what qbit suggested
[08:31] <stoic> i guess i will just have to do that then
[08:31] <stoic> and torrent files download fine with konqueror, so i guess ill just do my browsing with opera, and downloading with konqueror
[08:32] <qbit> I'm using firefox 1.5.0.4 here, never had any troubles - but I also don't have the flash player installed either
[08:32] <stoic> maybe i should try removing the flashplayer alltogether
[08:33] <qbit> does flash show up as a plugin in Konqueror?
[08:33] <stoic> nope
[08:34] <stoic> but i also installed it only in the opera and firefox browsers
[08:34] <qbit> if flash works in Konq it's maybe ok, go to a flash site in Konq and see what happens
[08:34] <qbit> ok
[08:35] <imachine> flash worked fine on opera, ffxo and konq in kubuntu for me.
[08:35] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone know a tool called "strace"? --> http://www.liacs.nl/~wichert/strace/
[08:35] <imachine> MilhousePunkRock, yes what about it
[08:35] <imachine> itsa a common tool.
[08:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Will that help me logging the output I get when shutting down? There are some error messages with are not in the /var/log/messages
[08:36] <fre1> MilhousePunkRock: nope, strace is not done for that
[08:37] <imachine> MilhousePunkRock, i dont think so.
[08:37] <imachine> its' purpose is else
[08:37] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, I just found it when doing a Google search
[08:38] <MilhousePunkRock> So how can I get those error messages? Is there a way to pause the shutdown? Otherwise they are gone too fast again
[08:38] <stoic> ok well thanks for the help
[08:38] <stoic> c ya
[08:48] <elknof1> hey... wich is the tool for partitioning in kde??
[08:48] <elknof1> i mean like gparted to gnome...
[08:49] <abattoir> elknof1: qtparted
[08:50] <elknof1> abattoir, thanks
[08:50] <abattoir> np :)
[08:50] <flaccid> just wondering the difference between choosing install kubuntu and install a server on startup of dvd
[08:51] <abattoir> flaccid: i guess the latter installs tools for a server setup... like apache ;)
[08:51] <abattoir> the former of course would install a normal desktop setup, for eg. for a home user
[08:52] <flaccid> can server install still install kde? i'm on setting up a server, but also want to be able to use kde
[08:52] <abattoir> flaccid: i think i should... else what's the diff. b/w kubuntu and ubuntu ;)
[08:52] <_rince_> mrgn
[08:52] <abattoir> let me check, if i can
[08:53] <abattoir> *it should
[08:53] <flaccid> ok
[08:54] <flaccid> so i'll select install server
[08:56] <abattoir> !server
[08:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments. The default install includes a server kernel and no GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current stable version is 6.06 LTS. For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFaq/
[08:56] <flaccid> ok, so installing server from dvd rom does not install a gui
[08:56] <abattoir> flaccid: i'd recommend looking at the faq
[08:57] <abattoir> hmmm, yes, i guess no GUI
[08:57] <insanekane> flaccid: choosing the normal install should also install all or most of the server components
[08:58] <flaccid> ok
[08:58] <flaccid> now i'm not sure which one i should do lol
[08:58] <abattoir> flaccid: i think installing kubuntu-desktop after doing the server install would install KDE
[08:58] <flaccid> you think hmm
[08:58] <jbrouhard> it will
[08:59] <sotired> i have no sound in enemy territory anbd a few other games. here is the output of my error if anyone can help me
[08:59] <sotired> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17741
[08:59] <abattoir> or you could install Kubuntu(w/KDE) and then manually install the tools you need
[08:59] <jbrouhard> once you have a base ubuntu system, running sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will get you KDE
[08:59] <abattoir> flaccid: well, i havent done it, so dont want to commit :), but even the FAQ says that
[09:01] <sotired> ?
[09:03] <sotired> i have no sound in enemy territory anbd a few other games. here is the output of my error if anyone can help mehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17741
[09:03] <sotired> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17741
[09:04] <captainbraille> Hi, whats the directory I can go to to see all of the packages I've downloaded with adept?
[09:05] <abattoir> captainbraille: /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:05] <captainbraille> abattoir: thanks a ton
[09:06] <abattoir> captainbraille: no problem :)
[09:07] <sotired> anyone now how to fix this sound error? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17741
[09:07] <abattoir> sotired: are you running any other sound application?
[09:08] <sotired> nope
[09:08] <abattoir> sotired: does it happen always? what happens when you restart and run it?
[09:08] <sotired> yes
[09:08] <sotired> always
[09:08] <sotired> i get no sound in most games
[09:09] <sotired> i used too
[09:09] <abattoir> hmm, then i have no clue, sorry :(
[09:09] <sotired> ive been looking for help for thios for days
[09:09] <sotired> but thanks anyway
[09:10] <abattoir> sotired: running cedega / wine?
[09:10] <sotired> im going to sleep on it
[09:10] <abattoir> running *through* rather
[09:10] <abattoir> ??
[09:10] <qbit> could try temporarily disabling arts to see if it is blocking the game
[09:12] <qbit> if it is I think there is some kind of command like artdsp something or other && startgame
[09:12] <qbit> but I've never had to go that route so I'm lacking in details
[09:12] <sotired> no
[09:13] <sotired> all linux native games
[09:13] <sotired> im getting super lag
[09:13] <sotired> like 50 seconds
[09:13] <sotired> wtf
[09:13] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I tell Firefox which application to use to open stuff from the "Downloads" window
[09:14] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: Edit->Preferences->Downloads->View and Edit Actions
[09:15] <MilhousePunkRock> But there I can only edit file types that are already assigned
[09:16] <MilhousePunkRock> I'd like to add new ones, e.g. .torrent --> KTorrent
[09:16] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: there is one for torrent
[09:17] <abattoir> atleast for me...
[09:17] <abattoir> it probably gets added to the list, when you download  a file of the mimetype
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> abattoir: Not here... only SPL and SWF for Flash
[09:18] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hmm.. let me do some searching...
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Would be nice to have an app assigned to .pdf as well
[09:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Ok, thanks
[09:24] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: In the 'Save file window', before downloading, i remember an option to 'Remember File types'...
[09:24] <abattoir> do you get that?
[09:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Let me check
[09:25] <abattoir> ok, got it...
[09:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Yeah, it's there
[09:25] <abattoir> download a sample of the file type, eg. a torrent
[09:25] <abattoir> choose the action you want...
[09:25] <MilhousePunkRock> Now I only need to know where to locate the apps
[09:26] <abattoir> and then check 'Do this....'
[09:26] <abattoir> should be under /usr/bin
[09:26] <abattoir>  /usr/bin/kpdf for eg.
[09:27] <MilhousePunkRock> OK, that's working...
[09:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Thanks, abattoir
[09:27] <abattoir> np :)
[09:29] <MilhousePunkRock> It doesn't prompt me anymore now, I guess if I have to save a .pdf instead of opening it right away I do that with "right click --> Save target as..."?!?!?
[09:29] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: then you shouldnt have checked 'Do this automatically...'
[09:29] <abattoir> yes,  you can do that too
[09:30] <abattoir> but if you remove the automatic, thing, you'll be given a choice of either to open or to save
[09:30] <abattoir> if you want that, go to the dialog under preferences and delete the entry for PDF
[09:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Looks like I have to remove the file action for that
[09:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Just like you say, lol
[09:30] <abattoir> exactly :)
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> That's good enough for now, I've got plenty of other issues to deal with...
[09:31] <abattoir> well, once you get past the phase, you'll start seeing the light :P
[09:32] <unix_infidel> its all about focus, whether you can sit in front of a terminal for 5 hours a day and read docs.
[09:32] <KDEfanboy> MilhousePunkRock: failing to save it can happen when the source server is not sending the mimetype properly. i noticed .torrent's particularly are sometimes misconfigured to send as applicatoin/x-octetstream or something, especially if they're send by .php or whatever redirects. i think in those cases, the always-use option is greyed out
[09:32] <abattoir> lol
[09:32] <MilhousePunkRock> I managed to install/compile stuff with configure make make install _twice_ already... Woohoo
[09:32] <qbit> add multiverse to your repositories, install acroread7, then the mozilla plugin for it and restart firefox
[09:32] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: that's one of the most easiest methods of installation :P
[09:32] <fiyawerx> anyone know what would cause everything but terminal fonts to just display as empty boxes?
[09:33] <fiyawerx> like little squares
[09:33] <qbit> delete the old pdf entry and the next time choose the plugin instead and it'll pop up in the browser
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> Not for one used to windows-click-on-the-exe-and-everything's-fine-method
[09:33] <qbit> lol
[09:34] <abattoir> well, click on the exe, click next a hundred times(w/o reading ;) )... ugh i'll pass that
[09:34] <abattoir> ./configure && make && sudo make install rocks :P
[09:34] <MilhousePunkRock> But isn't commercial software like the Acrobat kind of taboo'ed in Linux?
[09:34] <fiyawerx> use checkinstall not make install :)
[09:34] <fiyawerx> it makes a deb out of it
[09:35] <fiyawerx> easy to use with package management then for removal/etc..
[09:35] <KDEfanboy> MilhousePunkRock: there's a click-on-the-... method actually  in active development. http://klik.atekon.de/
[09:35] <qbit> yeah - checkinstall rocks!  :-)
[09:35] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: i personally find Acrobat slow and huge compared to KPDF
[09:36] <qbit> it's a memory hog
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> So is ther a KPDF plugin for Fx?
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> there*
[09:37] <qbit> I'm not aware of one
[09:37] <qbit> although it can be plugged into Konqueror
[09:37] <MilhousePunkRock> I remember having a plugin for Fx on windows that prompted me to open the pdf in the current window, a new window or save it
[09:38] <MilhousePunkRock> that was really nice
[09:38] <qbit> mine just pops up in the current tab
[09:38] <qbit> but I've got a gig of ram in the box too   :-)
[09:38] <MilhousePunkRock> I dont like Konqueror as a web browser
[09:39] <qbit> I prefer Firefox myself
[09:39] <MilhousePunkRock> and usually pdf's get opened "embedded" in Konq, so small that you can hardly read anything
[09:40] <KDEfanboy> you can set whether any mimetype handler opens embedded or externally
[09:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Got that, thx KDEfanboy
[09:44] <MilhousePunkRock> Since a lot of ppl joined in the meantime:
[09:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone know how I can log what is printed on the screen while the system shuts down?
[09:45] <MilhousePunkRock> I get a few errors messages there, but they are gone too fast to read them properly
[09:46] <Ash-Fox> /var/log/syslog ?
[09:47] <Ash-Fox> usually system error messages and such are shoved into there.
[09:47] <qbit> hrmm, debuging in FreeBSD is done with a second machine connected via null modem cable and the console is on the second box, but I'm a n00bie when it comes to Linux
[09:49] <chill> hello everyone
[09:50] <Ash-Fox> Hello chill.
[09:50] <chill> i need help
[09:50] <chill> with this os
[09:50] <Ash-Fox> !helpme
[09:50] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:50] <chill> kubuntu
[09:50] <chill> need updates
[09:50] <chill> very very new linux person
[09:51] <NKjoep> chill  what do u need to update?
[09:51] <Ash-Fox> Kubuntu is not linux, it is a operating system distrobution that contains the linux kernel.
[09:51] <chill> i know this
[09:51] <flaccid> lol
[09:51] <NKjoep> so chill  was right Ash-Fox .. he said "i'm a new linux person"
[09:52] <flaccid> kubuntu installation didn't ask for root password, so how do i access root
[09:52] <NKjoep> linux person said.. not that linux is kubuntu _
[09:52] <chill> new as far as console cmd
[09:52] <flaccid> trivial
[09:52] <NKjoep> lol
[09:52] <NKjoep> flaccid ?
[09:52] <chill> sudo
[09:52] <Lynoure> linux distribution... I think it's not that bad to call it linux for short :)
[09:52] <chill> thats how
[09:52] <NKjoep> :P
[09:52] <flaccid> but what is the default root password?
[09:52] <Ash-Fox> Lynoure, it confuses some people though :P
[09:52] <NKjoep> flaccid  use your user pass
[09:53] <NKjoep> no root pasw
[09:53] <chill> i need os updates
[09:53] <flaccid> can you not su to root?
[09:53] <flaccid> only sudo ?
[09:53] <chill> for wifi
[09:53] <NKjoep> chill  try with sudo apt-cache search something
[09:53] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: Some people will always get confused. We people are funny that way :)
[09:53] <TibaL> flaccid: yes, do "sudo -s"
[09:53] <TibaL> flaccid: or "sudo su"
[09:53] <TibaL> flaccid: then you can even change the root password
[09:54] <flaccid> ok cool
[09:54] <Lynoure> chill: Updates should happen automatically, unless you need something specialy
[09:54] <MilhousePunkRock> flaccid: It's not recommended though... What's wrong with sudo anyway?
[09:54] <chill> ok how do i start the os updates
[09:54] <chill> installed while i have no internet accsess
[09:54] <chill> now i do
[09:54] <chill> would like updates
[09:55] <Fisher_P> has anyone had any problems creating mpeg slideshows from digikam or gwenview?
[09:55] <flaccid> i was just wondering
[09:55] <flaccid> just wanted to set the root password
[09:55] <Ash-Fox> sudo passwd root
[09:55] <flaccid> yep its done
[09:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Got me confused first too, flaccid
[09:56] <flaccid> i used to use redhat
[09:56] <flaccid> ok best command to shut computer down?
[09:56] <flaccid> shutdown now or something?
[09:56] <TibaL> flaccid: halt ?
[09:56] <Ash-Fox> shutdown -h "now"
[09:56] <Lynoure> chill: they should get started for you, a little icon with ! appears in the lower right corner and you click on it. But you can start themselves in multiple ways yourself. If non-graphical is fine   sudo apt-get update   sudo apt-get upgrade    does it. I cannot remember how to start the graphical one, I'm not on my kubuntu at the moment
[09:56] <flaccid> sweet
[09:57] <Ash-Fox> Graphical one: K -> System -> adept
[09:57] <chill> thatnk you so very much
[09:57] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: but does that start the upgrade or does it take some clicks from that? That I cannot remember
[09:57] <chill> thank update
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> Lynoure, needs some more clicks :)
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> Lynoure, by default though, when you login, kubuntu will check for updates. if it finds updates you will see a little icon in the tray notifying you
[09:58] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: I have been surprised myself how non-gui person I am, must be all those years on debian doing that to me.
[09:58] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: I know that.
[09:59] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: I wasn't the one with the update problem.
[09:59] <Ash-Fox> Lynoure, Heh, I'm a debian user myself :)
[09:59] <Ash-Fox> Well, actually I use many distros, but anyway =)
[10:00] <Fisher_P> has anyone had any problems creating mpeg slideshows from digikam or gwenview?
[10:02] <unix_infidel> how can i access the mysql server from ubuntu without being root?
[10:03] <unix_infidel> anyone??
[10:03] <TibaL> unix_infidel: do you meen the root system account ou the root mysql account ?
[10:03] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: My only problems at the moment are visor kernel module and hp laserjet 1022 not seeming to be supported (unlike in debian unstable)
[10:03] <unix_infidel> TibaL: TibaL root system account cant be avoided...right?
[10:04] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: But I do find myself choosing command line over gui when it comes to admin tasks :)
[10:04] <unix_infidel> i'd like to creat a mysql user in the grant tables for the mysql account and be able to run it
[10:04] <unix_infidel> but what i'm confused about is whether i can run a mysql server for learning purposes as a normal user.
[10:04] <Ash-Fox> Lynoure, I find I prefer telling people how todo things in the command line when helping, because guiding people through graphical user interfaces is really hard. =)
[10:04] <TibaL> unix_infidel: no, mysql doesn't care who tries to access it, the only thing that is important is to have the correct root password of mysql
[10:05] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: why'd you think so many companies lose money off support.
[10:05] <Lynoure> Ash-Fox: That too.
[10:05] <Ash-Fox> unix_infidel, because they're not running VNC support type systems.
[10:05] <unix_infidel> TibaL: no i mean i'd like to START mysql as a normal user and then be able to create a mysql user on the mysql account via the mysql root account.
[10:06] <unix_infidel> TibaL: is it possible to do it like that, the docs say to start the mysql server as a normal user unless you need system root to do it.
[10:06] <Ash-Fox> Company where I work: User has a problem -- User calls me on the phone -- I tell them to double click the tech support icon on their desktop and their desktop popsup on my screen. I fix problems really fast this way. =)
[10:07] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: what company do you work at?
[10:07] <Ash-Fox> unix_infidel, LBF- Polska Sp.z o.o.
[10:08] <pyrooo> hi all! can anyone please help me with the kubuntu installation?
[10:08] <TibaL> unix_infidel: so you do not have any administrative rights on the computer... i have no idea, you probably should compile mysql yourself giving it special paths
[10:08] <unix_infidel> TibaL: no i do have admin right on this computer....
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: mysql usually runs as the user mysql
[10:08] <pyrooo> i tried installing, but when the installation starts i push: install or run kubuntu, it starts loading the kernel and stuff and when it reaches the point it should load kde it doesnt
[10:08] <Ash-Fox> It's a consulting company for other companies that want to open hotels, resturants, shops and ferrying =)
[10:09] <pyrooo> the screen goes black and loses signal
[10:09] <pyrooo> when i push ctrl+alt+f1 the screen works again and got command line
[10:09] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: no, the server is initialised by the init script which runs as root.
[10:09] <MilhousePunkRock> Ash-Fox, what I am looking for is not in the /var/log/syslog
[10:09] <pyrooo> any ideas?
[10:09] <Ash-Fox> MilhousePunkRock, what are you looking for?
[10:09] <TibaL> unix_infidel: is mysql server installed on the computer ?
[10:09] <unix_infidel> thus, the SERVER is started as root, i know that i can create a non root user on the mysql account.
[10:09] <unix_infidel> TibaL: yes.
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: mysql 10058  0.0  0.0  1648     0  p1- IW   -         0:00.00 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --defaults-extra-file=/var/db/mysql/my.cnf --user=mysql --datadir=/var/db/mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/triton.lan.pid
[10:09] <unix_infidel> TibaL: i'm running breezy so mysql-server-4.1
[10:10] <MilhousePunkRock> I get some error messages (I think related to ACPI) when I shut down. I want to review those so I can fix it
[10:10] <unix_infidel> heinkel_111: that's because you told it to do it that way.
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> MilhousePunkRock, it should be in the syslog.
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> MilhousePunkRock, or at least in /var/log/messages
[10:10] <pyrooo> anyone? plz!
[10:10] <unix_infidel> erm h3sp4wn
[10:11] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, does the livecd mode work?
[10:11] <_FisherP> has anyone had any problems creating mpeg slideshows from digikam or gwenview?
[10:12] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: for instance couldnt I just startup mysqld_safe for learning purposes.
[10:13] <pyrooo> i have a problem with installing kubuntu, i booted up the disk, and pushed install kubuntu. when the installation starts loading the kernel and stuff i can see my screen, but when it reaches the point it should load kde it doesnt. the screen goes black and loses signal! (WTF?!)
[10:13] <pyrooo> when i push ctrl+alt+f1 for command promt the screen gets signal again and works. any ideas? please!
[10:13] <pyrooo> i have a problem with installing kubuntu, i booted up the disk, and pushed install kubuntu. when the installation starts loading the kernel and stuff i can see my screen, but when it reaches the point it should load kde it doesnt. the screen goes black and loses signal! (WTF?!)
[10:13] <pyrooo> when i push ctrl+alt+f1 for command promt the screen gets signal again and works. any ideas? please!
[10:13] <pyrooo> aa
[10:13] <pyrooo> shit sorry i wrote that much
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: I just  built it from source I prefer to do that for certain things (makes it easier to know what is going on and you can just read the proper docs)
[10:13] <TibaL> unix_infidel: read mysqld man page (man mysqld) maybe there are special options to select the user, log file etc...
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> Ash-Fox: I checked both, negative
[10:13] <koriel> I installed kubuntu in my lap with an ati gc and although the xorg file is configured correctly by kubuntu ati module does not exist
[10:14] <koriel> any help?
[10:14] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: that makes sense, Ubuntu is still using 4.1 on breezy.
[10:14] <pyrooo> anyone?
[10:14] <unix_infidel> but i have no idea what i'm doing with mysql so far.
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> mysql-admin (the gui one is the only decent gui for mysql)
[10:15] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: i hate gui's :P
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> I don't like webinterfaces (phpmyadmin or anything)
[10:15] <pyrooo> anyone?
[10:15] <unix_infidel> especially for stuff that's meant to be shell
[10:16] <Ash-Fox> MilhousePunkRock, technically, you could open a console and do 'sudo /etc/init.d/acpid stop', and see if it fails
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock>  * Stopping ACPI services...                                             [ ok ] 
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Hmm...
[10:17] <Ash-Fox> then it probably wasn't ACPI
[10:18] <[fadli_klate] > acpi? hmm howto to suspend laptop from console terminal?
[10:18] <MilhousePunkRock> What if it was something like "Error in line xyz -get state  - No such device"
[10:19] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: For most circumstances I would probably say the same thing - But as far as I know there are no good mysql cli tools (usually just use DBI to access them) but if i just need to view the db then mysql-admin (being the same as the windows client is pretty good) - If the mysql cli tools were as powerful as those for informix then it would be ok but I think they are pretty useless (at least for me(
[10:20] <pyrooo> i have a problem with installing kubuntu, i booted up the disk, and pushed install kubuntu. when the installation starts loading the kernel and stuff i can see my screen, but when it reaches the point it should load kde it doesnt. the screen goes black and loses signal! (WTF?!)
[10:20] <pyrooo> when i push ctrl+alt+f1 for command promt the screen gets signal again and works. any ideas? please!
[10:20] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, does the livecd mode work?
[10:21] <pyrooo> yesd
[10:21] <pyrooo> i tried livecd
[10:21] <pyrooo> but KDE doesn't load
[10:21] <pyrooo> i tried changing resoulution
[10:22] <pyrooo> didn't work either
[10:22] <[fadli_klate] > seems i had the problem in my laptop too
[10:22] <pyrooo> and how did you overcome it?
[10:22] <Ash-Fox> Sounds like X is messing up with your hardware
[10:22] <pyrooo> ok...
[10:22] <pyrooo> any suggestions?
[10:23] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, well, you could try running xorg in vesa/vga, but the problem is that, you will lack 2d and 3d acceleration if you do
[10:23] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: informix?
[10:23] <pyrooo> while installing or forever?
[10:23] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, if it isn't working off the livecd, it's unlikely it will work when installed.
[10:23] <pyrooo> damn.
[10:24] <pyrooo> damn fucking linux i'm so dissapointed
[10:24] <pyrooo> tried gentoo
[10:24] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, I mean, you can install proprietory drivers like ati's and nvidia's though, so if you have a modern card, that can be solved
[10:24] <pyrooo> didn't work
[10:24] <pyrooo> now kubuntu? :(
[10:24] <[fadli_klate] > dont so sure about that
[10:24] <flaccid> is the sshd off by default for server installation?
[10:24] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, gentoo isn't exactly for newbies
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: Another databse
[10:24] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, what is your graphic card?
[10:24] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: ahh, another dbms
[10:24] <pyrooo> X800 ORO
[10:24] <pyrooo> PRO&
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: Commercial (or was when I used it)
[10:25] <Ash-Fox> ... I have never heard of that card before
[10:25] <pyrooo> ATi X800 Pro?
[10:25] <pyrooo> your crazy?
[10:25] <pyrooo> the series goest like this: 9800 - x800 - x1800
[10:25] <pyrooo> than there were x850 - x1900
[10:25] <pyrooo> in the middle
[10:25] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: so you use what now as your dbms at work and such?
[10:26] <[fadli_klate] > try another installer cd pyro, Alternate CD
[10:26] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, well.. in theory the ati proprietory drivers may work
[10:26] <pyrooo> so, what should i do?
[10:26] <Ash-Fox> !ati
[10:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:26] <pyrooo> btw,
[10:26] <pyrooo> when i tried to check the CD
[10:26] <pyrooo> it said that checksum failed
[10:26] <pyrooo> maybe thats the problem?
[10:26] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, use the alternative install cd, install kubuntu and setup the binarydriver before you start X
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: Non at this moment in time (just finished a year back in college) but I have used sybase, informix , mysql (for stuff that doesn't matter)
[10:27] <pyrooo> ok Ash-Fox, but, will i have a graphical installation using the alternate installation?
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> pyrooo: There you go... Download it again and burn it at a slower speed
[10:27] <kakalto> XGL rawks ^-^
[10:27] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, a TUI installation
[10:27] <pyrooo> dman
[10:27] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: lol, mysql for stuff that doesnt matter?
[10:28] <pyrooo> well i'll manage
[10:28] <pyrooo> so i'll burn the CD again
[10:28] <unix_infidel> why's that?
[10:28] <pyrooo> if it works - gr8
[10:28] <pyrooo> if it doesn't, i'll try ACD
[10:28] <pyrooo> thanks
[10:28] <pyrooo> ;)
[10:30] <MilhousePunkRock> kakalto: On what sys are you running XGL on?
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: I wouldn't want a billing database or something to run on mysql - maybe it is better now but I don't trust it for its past failings
[10:31] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: what would you recommend?
[10:31] <kakalto> MilhousePunkRock: what do ya mean 'sys'?
[10:31] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: couple reasons why?
[10:31] <kakalto> like hardware specs/brands, or ?
[10:31] <MilhousePunkRock> specs, kakalto
[10:32] <Ash-Fox> 1) I've never, ever had it break on me unlike mssql and mysql 2) It's ANSI-SQL compliant
[10:32] <[fadli_klate] > my wireless card undetected, any ideas?
[10:32] <[fadli_klate] > 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation: Unknown device 4222 (rev 02)
[10:32] <[fadli_klate] > 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 4363 (rev 10)
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> Postgres is supposed to be pretty good but I haven't used it - DB2 is pretty good (which I have used)
[10:32] <Ash-Fox> ANSI-SQL can be used with MSSQL, MYSQL5, and postgresql.
[10:32] <[fadli_klate] > this is the output from lspci
[10:33] <Ash-Fox> so it's not like you can't migrate to another one if you see a problem.
[10:33] <flaccid> what is the service manager binary for unbuntu ie. /sbin/service equivalent?
[10:33] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: i'm just trying to learn basics so far.  Otherwise i would probably care about which dbms i was using.
[10:33] <Ash-Fox> ANSI-SQL isn't basics?
[10:34] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: i'm just trying to get the proper user setup.
[10:34] <unix_infidel> i havent even GOTTEN to statements yet.
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> [fadli_klate] : You will need ndiswrapper
[10:34] <unix_infidel> heck, i cant even get myself into root for the mysql server with mysql -u root
[10:35] <[fadli_klate] > ndiswrapper? i ll check it out
[10:35] <Ash-Fox> unix_infidel http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> [fadli_klate] : Was the card detected before you did some updates?
[10:35] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: But i havent even done anything to the server yet.
[10:36] <Ash-Fox> unix_infidel, I have no idea how kubuntu packages it.
[10:36] <flaccid> so ubuntu doesn't come with ssh by default?
[10:36] <Ash-Fox> for all I know, they could of set some password.
[10:36] <unix_infidel> Ash-Fox: what do you mean how it packages it
[10:36] <unix_infidel> ?
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> !ndiswrapper
[10:36] <ubotu> wifi is Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[10:36] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, no, ssh comes with kubuntu by default..
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> ash-fox@tapestry:~$ ssh -v
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-7ubuntu3, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005
[10:37] <flaccid> ah ok, is it on by default as a service
[10:37] <[fadli_klate] > the card not detected since the installation
[10:37] <flaccid> you'll have to excuse this is my first time with ubuntu
[10:38] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, you're thinking of sshd, that's not ssh
[10:38] <flaccid> well ssh could mean server or client...
[10:38] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, sshd isn't installed by default with kubuntu.
[10:38] <flaccid> its beyond me why a server installation wouldn't contain any remote access
[10:38] <Ash-Fox> ssh is generally used to refer to the client sshd to the server.
[10:39] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, not all servers need sshd? :)
[10:39] <flaccid> how do you access the server without ssh?
[10:39] <Ash-Fox> Through the console.
[10:39] <flaccid> this is true
[10:40] <Ash-Fox> Not everyone remotely manages their servers.
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> [fadli_klate]  http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DWL%2DG630 (I think marvell only have one wireless chipset)
[10:40] <flaccid> but most will
[10:40] <flaccid> hmm
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: More than 90% would manage them remotely
[10:41] <Ash-Fox> h3sp4wn, doesn't mean they would all use ssh to manage them remotely either. I mean, I remotely manage some of my servers through a HTTP interface only.
[10:41] <flaccid> ouch
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: I would never use a http interface on a server
[10:41] <flaccid> :0
[10:42] <Ash-Fox> h3sp4wn, I find cups a lot easier to manage through HTTP :P
[10:42] <FisherP_> My connection to freenode seems to drop alot using konversation. does anyone have any idea what could be causing it?
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> I use lpd not cups
[10:43] <[fadli_klate] > but i still wonder, why lspci cant detect the correct device name. is the devices is too new?
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> (but to be fair I have had the /etc/termcap for ages)
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> [fadli_klate] : Is it a pci card or cardbus ?
[10:45] <flaccid> i went to apt-get install the sshd, but it asks me for the cd. how do i install via the internet instead?
[10:45] <Ash-Fox> !easysource
[10:45] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:45] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, use that.
[10:45] <[fadli_klate] > pcicard
[10:47] <[fadli_klate] > *a pci card
[10:48] <Ash-Fox> [fadli_klate] , lspci compares pci ids against a list of devices it knows about.
[10:48] <[fadli_klate] > so the device is not in the list
[10:49] <Ash-Fox> [fadli_klate] , check in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> You can update your pci.ids but I can't remember the command
[10:50] <Ash-Fox> wouldn't future updates just be in the repository?
[10:50] <[fadli_klate] > nice. maybe if i upload it will solve the problem
[10:51] <Ash-Fox> [fadli_klate] , updating it will only change the name displayed at most.
[10:51] <Ash-Fox> [fadli_klate] , that's all lspci does. identifies devices.
[10:52] <FisherP_> My connection to freenode seems to drop alot using konversation. does anyone have any idea what could be causing it?
[10:52] <flaccid> ok i have the sources list. now i need to upload it. is ftp enabled by default for server install
[10:54] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, as far as I know, nothing is enabled by default.
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> Nothing is enabled by default (except maybe on the lamp install) - I would use proftpd - others would maybe use vsftp
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> vsftpd
[10:54] <Ash-Fox> I would use konqueror.
[10:54] <Ash-Fox> oops, what the heck did I do just there
[10:54] <Ash-Fox> Sorry, confused clients with servers for some reason =)
[10:55] <Ash-Fox> By the way, I would just have SSHd enabled, then use the fish protocol (which is availible in konqueror) to upload files to the server.
[10:55] <flaccid> hmm
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: shfs is just as good
[10:56] <flaccid> yeah i did server install, and i think i may not install a DE
[10:56] <Ash-Fox> talking about on the client machine
[10:56] <flaccid> is there an ftp server installed by default? you see i don't have an optical drive in the box anymore
[10:56] <flaccid> oh i got ya
[10:56] <[fadli_klate] > great guys! i just solve the lspci problem
[10:57] <D4m4ge> hi all
[10:57] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, how do you currently access the machine?
[10:57] <flaccid> by console
[10:57] <[fadli_klate] > i get the new file from http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids  and replace the /usr/share/misc/pci.ids file
[10:57] <Ash-Fox> flaccid, you could just retype the sources.list manually, it's not that large.
[10:57] <flaccid> well atm by console
[10:57] <flaccid> true, do the minium list first
[10:58] <flaccid> i assume no text browser is installed
[10:58] <[fadli_klate] > now when i list my pci devices, all devices are recognized
[10:58] <flaccid> i have servers on the network, is there any default clients available for ftp, http etc.?
[10:58] <Ash-Fox> [fadli_klate] , no, they're just identified properly. The kernel on the other hand doesn't care what lspci detects.
[10:59] <h3sp4wn> [fadli_klate] : What is the full line now ?
[10:59] <[fadli_klate] > 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[10:59] <[fadli_klate] > 0000:04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
[11:00] <[fadli_klate] > yea. it is the first step now i have to get the correct driver
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> Are you on dapper ? dapper supports that intel wireless I think without ndiswrapper
[11:00] <flaccid> cool it has ftp client
[11:01] <[fadli_klate] > yup i on dapper
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194886
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> ^^
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> It will work but just not with network manager
[11:02] <vlt> Hello. I have installed kubuntu Dapper with KDE 3.5.2. There are several users working on that machine. One of them can't access KMail anymore with error message "No conection to localhost". I think it's trying to open kwallet. Until this morning it worked without problems. Where can I look first?
[11:03] <Ash-Fox> vlt, check that kwallet starts?
[11:07] <vlt> Ash-Fox: I checked. When I (as the user) open KMail kwallet is opened, too. The passwords are set (I can see them in kdewallet). But KMail still can't access it.
[11:08] <Ash-Fox> vlt, check that kmail is permited to access kwallet....
[11:10] <vlt> Ash-Fox: The checkbox "ask when an app wants to access ..." is checked in kwallet. There are no apps listed.
[11:12] <Ash-Fox> vlt, doesn't sound like it's a problem with kwallet then.
[11:15] <vlt> Ash-Fox: I closed KMail and re-opened. Then I was asked if I want to allow KMail to access kwallet. I said "always" and now kmail is listed as "allow always" in kwallet. As soon as I open KMail the kwallet icon shows an open wallet, when I close it the wallet closes. But KMail still sais it cant access localhost.
[11:16] <Ash-Fox> when you close it?
[11:17] <Ash-Fox> you shouldn't close the wallet unless you want to prevent access to it.
[11:18] <vlt> Ash-Fox: Ok, I think I solved it. I checked the IMAP settings and found that that the field "server" was empty so that it always tried locahost. How can that happen?
[11:20] <galorin> Not sure what's going on, I've been trying amarok, but it just skips over my mp3 files.  It plays ogg without complaints.
[11:20] <Smooph> why would your kmail try to connect to localhost ? you should check your mail-account
[11:20] <Ash-Fox> vlt, kmail didn't finish writing to .kmailrc for some reason, someone removed the setting etc.
[11:20] <Smooph> you know sending and reciving
[11:20] <Ash-Fox> galorin, you will need this
[11:20] <Ash-Fox> !restricted
[11:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:21] <Smooph> galorin: I know the problem I solved it with installiing bumbs its a script that installs all the codecs you need
[11:22] <Smooph> galorin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=181248
[11:22] <Ash-Fox> the scripts I've seen download the .debs manually, they don't setup the list.sources at all, so you don't get any updates, making upgrades messy
[11:23] <Smooph> no check out this one it works fine
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> Just easier to fix the sources.list with easysource and type in a long apt-get install command
[11:23] <Ash-Fox> Smooph, I prefer manual, it just works :P
[11:23] <galorin> Either way, as long as it works.
[11:24] <Smooph> Ash-Fox:  I do 2 but it did not work
[11:24] <Ash-Fox> Works fine here.
[11:25] <Ash-Fox> How can it not work anyway?
[11:25] <Smooph> So I would recommend if you are not that experienced use the script (bumps not bumbs ^^) else try it manual
[11:25] <galorin> Probably be easier to just convert my mp3 songs into ogg... only have a couple dozen of 'em
[11:26] <Smooph> ^^
[11:26] <firepol> hi there, what tool do you suggest me to install in order to connect to a Mobile Phone via bluetooth in order to save my phonebook, calendar etc.?
[11:26] <Ash-Fox> I would reccommend not using any scripts because they have been known to mess up things. Heck someone used easyubuntu the other day and their dkpg package lists got corrupted by it
[11:26] <abattoir_> firepol: kmobiletools
[11:27] <abattoir_> !info kmobiletools
[11:27] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.1-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 820 kB
[11:27] <Ash-Fox> If you're using the proper package manager utilities in the first place, these issues wouldn't happen.
[11:27] <galorin> problem solved.. followed wiki instructions, restarted amarok, and now it's playing 'em fine
[11:28] <Ash-Fox> galorin, good, you may also want to install msttcorefonts by the way, if you want windows fonts =)
[11:28] <firepol> thank you
[11:29] <firepol> by the way, i got my bluetooth adapter working with ubuntu in a few minutes... and not working under windows xp
[11:29] <Ash-Fox> (useful for some subtitle OSDs, personally I like arial most for subtiltles)
[11:29] <Ash-Fox> firepol, similar expirence here.
[11:29] <firepol> stupid XP needs maybe SP2 installed. which sucks OMO. nowadays its easier to install this sort of devices under linux, or am i wrong?
[11:29] <abattoir_> firepol: you might need to install drivers(i dont think windows comes with it) ; bluesoleil
[11:30] <firepol> bluesoleil, thats what i got
[11:30] <firepol> i installed the driver but it didnt work
[11:30] <abattoir_> yes, linux comes w/ generic bt drivers preintalled
[11:30] <firepol> so i tried under linux, and it wqorks perfectly
[11:30] <abattoir_> nice to know :)
[11:30] <firepol> besides gaming, im getting convinced that linux is better
[11:31] <galorin> bad amarok! no crashing
[11:31] <Ash-Fox> windows has generic bluetooth support too
[11:32] <Ash-Fox> But it's not on such a wide range of hardware.
[11:33] <day> hi, i've got a problem with xmodmap on a macbook installed with kubuntu (dapper-drake version) ; i try to emulate mouse buttons 2 and 3, with 108 and 116 keys, but the keys don't seem to work properly  i note everythig is ok when using xev ; an idea, somebody ?
[11:34] <galorin> day: when are you calling xmodmap?
[11:34] <day> from the konsole, for now ; xmodmap .xmodmap
[11:35] <day> shouldn't it work if i call it from the konsole ?
[11:35] <vlt> Another question: For merging PDF files I use "pdftk" in the shell. Is there a frontend or another easy GUI way to let dummy users do this on their own?
[11:35] <galorin> you'll want it in.. oh what is it, .bashrc or something similar.. xmodmap when called from the console only applies to the app that wasexecuted with it.
[11:36] <day> ah ok !
[11:36] <day> .bash_profile ?
[11:36] <galorin> check the manpage just to be sure
[11:36] <galorin> That should do it... if my understanding of xmodmap is solid.
[11:37] <firepol> i see under "Internet" a program called "Bluetooth OBEX Client". I could find my device with that. But kmobiletools says it needs to be configured...
[11:37] <omeow> speaking of bluetooth
[11:37] <firepol> so my question is how can i get the working configuration from the obex client?
[11:37] <firepol> /dev/mobile seems not correct...
[11:37] <omeow> How do I get rid of that stuff so it doesn't load on boot? The System Services menu in System Settings is rather confusing.
[11:38] <omeow> I don't know what a runlevel is or which one I should edit.
[11:38] <firepol> moeow: i personally use "rcconf"
[11:38] <grizzly> Is there any editor with syntax highlighting for console? . Just like kwriter, but for console
[11:38] <firepol> omeow: with rcconf you can enable/disable services that start at boot time
[11:39] <day> galorin : it isn't on the manpage, but i'm going to try
[11:39] <firepol> grizzly: vim , but i guess u need to configure it to see colors
[11:39] <omeow> firepol: it seems possible with system services too.
[11:39] <omeow> grizzly: I use midnight commander's editor.
[11:40] <omeow> I believe the package is called mc.
[11:40] <grizzly> firepol: OK , thx
[11:40] <galorin> good luck day, I'd like to know if it works.
[11:40] <taavi> a forum?
[12:14] <day> galorin : thanks, it helped a little :-) ; if i put the xmodmap command in .bash_profile, the key assignment works for a Delete key, but not for a Pointer_Button2 key :-/
[12:14] <galorin> day, closer then... my experience with xmodmap is limited to mythtv
[12:15] <day> :-), i tried to put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, but it wasn't better
[12:16] <day> anybody knowing where i should put a xmodmap command in kubuntu so that it could be used to modify a Pointer_Button ?
[12:17] <day> it's for a kubuntu macbook
[12:29] <flaccid> Ash-Fox: i made my sources, but it says it can't find ssh-server only client hmm
[12:30] <Ash-Fox> ...
[12:30] <Ash-Fox> ssh-server only client? What the hell?
[12:30] <flaccid> yep
[12:30] <Ash-Fox> why don't you just install the daemon?
[12:31] <flaccid> thats what i'm trying to do?
[12:31] <flaccid> i guess my command is incorrect: apt-get install ssh openssh-server
[12:32] <Ash-Fox> apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server
[12:32] <jonathan_> don't you need to do 'apt-get update' first ?
[12:33] <Ash-Fox> well, after changing the sources sure, but you don't *need* to each time you install something
[12:33] <jonathan_> true
[12:33] <jonathan_> i would recommend it though
[12:36] <flaccid> it can't find openssh-server and openssh-client is already installed
[12:36] <flaccid> what source should openssh-server be in?
[12:36] <NKjoep> excuse me...
[12:37] <NKjoep> how can i discover the kernel version and the distros?
[12:37] <bady> flaccid: /etc/init.d/ssh(d?)
[12:37] <bady> uname -r
[12:37] <bady> NKjoep: uname -r
[12:37] <NKjoep> ok thanx :D
[12:37] <bady> flaccid: it's /etc/init.d/ssh
[12:37] <NKjoep> 2.6.15-25-386 ...
[12:38] <bady> to start it do a /etc/init.d/ssh start
[12:38] <bady> NKjoep: so?
[12:38] <flaccid> bady: its not there, because its not installed
[12:38] <NKjoep> so... i was thinking about a problem ... my friend downloaded kubuntu and installed it...
[12:38] <bady> oh then do a apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server
[12:38] <flaccid> can anyone confirm what source openssh-server is
[12:38] <flaccid> bady: it cannot find the openssh-server package
[12:38] <NKjoep> but when he tries to apt-get install a packet it says that the packet isn't ok
[12:39] <NKjoep> with every packet
[12:39] <bady> but its one of the standard packages...
[12:39] <bady> what about apt-get update?
[12:39] <flaccid> thats why i'm asking what source it is in
[12:39] <flaccid> doesn't apt-get update update installed packages?
[12:39] <bady> is your sources list alrighjt?
[12:40] <NKjoep> yes yes
[12:40] <flaccid> this is why i am asking what source it is in....
[12:40] <NKjoep> :E
[12:40] <NKjoep> sorry
[12:40] <dark_> Woot
[12:40] <dark_> I got Kubuntu working in VMware ;)
[12:40] <bady> n1
[12:40] <bady> =)
[12:40] <dark_> :D
[12:41] <bady> update just gets the new server lists
[12:41] <bady> upgrade installs updates
[12:41] <bady> man apt-get
[12:42] <bady> Hole:1 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main openssh 1:4.2p1-7ubuntu3 (dsc) [999B] 
[12:43] <flaccid> ok i try update first
[12:45] <dark_> I love this operating system.
[12:45] <dark_> :)
[12:45] <flaccid> so does apt-get only used cached lists?
[12:48] <dark_> Wow
[12:48] <bady> it just gets the entries of your packages list and checks it with the servers list
[12:48] <dark_> Just using this OS is making me want to switch over to it, but i can't
[12:48] <bady> its like a textfile
[12:48] <dark_> I guess I can just keep using it in VMware.. run XP, full screen Kubuntu :)
[12:48] <bady> why cant you dual boot?
[12:48] <bady> dark_?
[12:49] <Smooph> good question
[12:49] <dark_> Kubuntu setup doesn't detect my second drive
[12:49] <dark_> It only detects my primary 360GB one
[12:49] <bady> what kind of drive is it?
[12:49] <bady> sata+raid?
[12:49] <jonathan_> slave drive probably ...
[12:49] <bady> or ide+raid?
[12:49] <dark_> Yeah, it's a SATA RAID drive
[12:49] <Smooph> ^^
[12:49] <dark_> My secondary is a regular IDE drive
[12:49] <bady> I had the same problem
[12:50] <bady> just use your first ide
[12:50] <bady> and partition it
[12:50] <bady> I got the same config
[12:50] <dark_> Partition it?
[12:50] <dark_> You mean run GParted or something and turned it to LFS?
[12:50] <bady> make 2 parts from one big harddrive
[12:50] <bady> LFS?
[12:50] <dark_> Linux File System
[12:51] <bady> LFS usually stands for linux from scratch
[12:51] <bady> at least I thought so
[12:51] <dark_> Yeah, anyway I've already got Kubuntu working fine on VMWare
[12:51] <dark_> So I don't quite see the point dual booting
[12:51] <bady> well its faster
[12:51] <bady> way faster
[12:52] <dark_> True, but it's already fast with begin with
[12:52] <bady> and probably less bugg
[12:52] <bady> y
[12:52] <dark_> I'm running the virtual machine with 500 MHz CPU, and 256MB of Ram
[12:52] <Ash-Fox> vmware uses virtualisation. no emulation.
[12:52] <ChefWill> anyone know if starbucks takes mastercard?
[12:52] <Ash-Fox> So no, it's not going to be much faster in proccessing power.
[12:52] <dark_> VMWare creates a virtual machine
[12:52] <bady> having 500Mhz or 3. somthing Ghz makes a difference....
[12:52] <Ash-Fox> Graphically on the other hand, if you enable direct3d acceleration in the .vmx file manually, it'll be close.
[12:52] <dark_> Lol
[12:53] <dark_> I can let Kubuntu use all processing power if I wanted to
[12:53] <dark_> I didn't get Kubuntu to play games or use OpenGL
[12:53] <dark_> That's what I have Windows for
[12:54] <Ash-Fox> Windows is bad for OpenGL, since it only has v1.5 accessible.
[12:54] <Ash-Fox> Really primative shader support.
[12:55] <bady> but not all drivers8 are out there and not all are that good
[12:55] <MistaED> ash-fox: only for the in-built drivers, ati and nvidia supply the v2.0 extensions and other ones
[12:55] <bady> look at the bad ati support
[12:55] <MistaED> not sure on intel chips though
[12:56] <Ash-Fox> MistaED, I haven't been able to use the new shaders with the latest nvidia drivers or ati drivers under windows xp. So I don't believe you.
[12:56] <MistaED> can vmware accelerate direct3d under a host linux with a guest of XP?
[12:56] <Appu> Is there a separate channel to discuss aiglx stuff on kubuntu, or can it be done here?
[12:56] <Ash-Fox> Yes.
[12:57] <MistaED> ash-fox: really? are the nvidia extensions being declared? nvidia use the same extensions as the windows driver
[12:57] <MistaED> although i'm not an expert though, :P
[12:57] <MistaED> *same extensions under linux as the windows driver
[12:58] <Ash-Fox> I can use the 2.0 shaders under linux.
[12:58] <flaccid> i have tried update, it still can't find the package
[12:58] <flaccid> this is quite ridiculous
[12:59] <Chousuke> MistaED: as far as I know, no virtualisation software accelerates 3d.
[12:59] <flaccid> what is the apt-get command to show currently used sources?
[12:59] <bady> can you paste(pastebin please) your sources.list?
[12:59] <Ash-Fox> Chousuke, vmware is capable of doing it, but it's experimental.
[12:59] <flaccid> npz
[12:59] <Chousuke> Ash-Fox: cool.
[01:00] <Ash-Fox> Chousuke, you have to manually set the configuration in the .vmx file
[01:00] <flaccid> bady: http://pastebin.ca/84798
[01:00] <flaccid> just the base packages and sources
[01:00] <bady> kk thx
[01:00] <Chousuke> I'm waiting for the day Parallels is able to do it.
[01:00] <Chousuke> Then I'll buy a macbook :P
[01:00] <flaccid> ah fook
[01:00] <flaccid> its says breezy
[01:01] <Ash-Fox> mks.enable3d = "TRUE"
[01:01] <bady> flaccid: there is no main section in there...
[01:01] <Ash-Fox> and
[01:01] <Ash-Fox> svga.vramSize = "67108864"
[01:01] <bady> flaccid: thats why it does not work
[01:01] <flaccid> yep just realised
[01:01] <Ash-Fox> Just add those to the .vmx file to get 3d acceleration :P
[01:02] <flaccid> i select dapper on that sources omatic
[01:02] <Ash-Fox> works on vmware player too.
[01:02] <Chousuke> If I had x86 hardware, I'd try that ~right now
[01:03] <flaccid> it gave me dapper this time. maybe the checkbox changed before i posted the form
[01:03] <flaccid> thanks for your help
[01:04] <bady> http://pastebin.ca/84802
[01:04] <bady> I changed it for you =)
[01:04] <bady> no
[01:04] <bady> np
[01:04] <Jack12> hey does someone knwo where an instruction is how to set uo the right codecs for amazon in dapper?
[01:04] <bady> what kind of codevs?
[01:04] <bady> codecs
[01:04] <Jack12> i mean if i wanna listen to their cds they offer
[01:05] <Jack12> they use the old version of this real player and it doesnt go together with dapper
[01:07] <bady> never cared about that.... did you look into the wiki? it should be somewhere in there.... I try to remember where I saw it....
[01:08] <Jack12> bady i saw it didnt find again ..u know where it is?
[01:08] <bady> Jack12 I do not neither-....
[01:11] <flaccid> sick my ssh server is up
[01:11] <flaccid> thanks all for helping
[01:12] <dark__> Hey, I need some help
[01:12] <dark__> I downloaded Opera, and I got VMTools
[01:12] <dark__> How do I install them?
[01:12] <dark__> I tried sudo apt-get install, but I don't think it works for RPMs
[01:14] <Joeboy> Hi. Have the recent cups updates broken anyone else's printing?
[01:14] <Joeboy> My USB printer no longer works
[01:15] <dark__> So yeah.. how do I install an application on Linux?
[01:15] <Joeboy> It required crazy hacking to make it work in the first place, which might be part of the problem
[01:15] <Joeboy> dark__: You probably have an application called synaptic in a menu somewhere, which you can use
[01:16] <dark__> Oh..
[01:16] <dark__> Lol
[01:17] <Joeboy> There are lots of other possible answers to that question though
[01:19] <dark__> How do I change the mouse mode from single click opening something to double click?
[01:19] <Joeboy> in kcontrol somewhere I should think
[01:19] <dark__> I see, btw my start bar just went missing
[01:19] <dark__> lol
[01:20] <Joeboy> dark__: Did you maybe hide it? Is there a little arrow thing you can click to get it back?
[01:20] <dark__> Uh
[01:21] <dark__> Nope
[01:21] <dark__> It's just gone
[01:21] <dark__> lol
[01:22] <Joeboy> dark__: Hm, that doesn't sound good. Try alt+f2 then type 'kicker'
[01:22] <dark__> Oh
[01:22] <dark__> There you go
[01:22] <dark__> Thanks
[01:23] <dark__> Apparenly, kicker.exe crashed
[01:23] <dark__> lol
[01:23] <Joeboy> something like that :-)
[01:23] <dark__> There
[01:24] <dark__> I fixed the mouse
[01:24] <dark__> Double click works now
[01:24] <dark__> lol
[01:24] <dark__> Well, I got Skype to work
[01:24] <dark__> It was pre-compiled
[01:24] <Music^Hound> any reason why bitchX won't load ? its a fresh install
[01:25] <Joeboy> No, none :-)
[01:25] <Joeboy> Do you get any errors?
[01:25] <Music^Hound> I'll try it from konsole
[01:26] <Music^Hound> duh!!!
[01:26] <dark__> What do I do with a .sh
[01:26] <Music^Hound> nm
[01:26] <dark__> I downloaded Opera and there's a shellscript in it
[01:26] <dark__> Run it with terminal?
[01:26] <flaccid> opera starts by a shell script on linux
[01:27] <dark__> Oh.
[01:27] <dark__> How do I start it?
[01:27] <dark__> Open it with Konqueror?
[01:27] <flaccid> use the run command and type opera
[01:28] <dark__> I need to install opera
[01:28] <dark__> Right?
[01:28] <flaccid> install the package
[01:28] <dark__> I wasn't supposed to unpack it?
[01:28] <dark__> How do I install a package?
[01:29] <Music^Hound> did you try adept ?
[01:29] <flaccid> there is a source for opera, you can use that
[01:29] <dark__> No, I didn't try adept
[01:30] <Joeboy> dark__: To run a shell script, type sh filename in a console
[01:30] <Music^Hound> dark__: its version 9
[01:30] <flaccid> put this in sources.list for opera: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera etch non-free
[01:31] <flaccid> then its probably apt-get install opera
[01:31] <dark__> Oh.
[01:31] <dark__> Ok, well right now I just opened adept and it's updating the OS
[01:31] <Panterh3art> :/
[01:31] <DarkLegacy> lol
[01:32] <DarkLegacy> Why is it so difficult to do a simple action in Linux?
[01:32] <DarkLegacy> The entire OS acts like it's a gigantic FTP
[01:33] <flaccid> its not difficult
[01:33] <flaccid> this is not windows
[01:33] <DarkLegacy> Lol
[01:33] <flaccid> you have to know what you are doing for something to not be difficult i guess
[01:33] <Joeboy> You mean it's slow?
[01:33] <DarkLegacy> Not quite, it just takes longer to do something than normal
[01:33] <DarkLegacy> Windows: Download -> Open -> Done
[01:34] <flaccid> you can do the same thing with linux, DarkLegacy
[01:34] <DarkLegacy> Linux: Download -> Compile -> Configure -> Do other thing -> Install
[01:34] <Music^Hound> windows : download > open > virus
[01:34] <flaccid> thats not true, DL
[01:34] <DarkLegacy> I guess I'm just new so I'm frustrated
[01:34] <flaccid> you can install packages with a GUI on linux quicker and easier than windows
[01:34] <Joeboy> Things get easier once you learn the basics. And it's *much* easier than it used to be :-)
[01:35] <Joeboy> And you have irc to help you
[01:35] <DarkLegacy> Joeboy, you're absolutely right about that because I remember Knoppix back in 98
[01:35] <DarkLegacy> This compared to Knoppix is just awesome
[01:35] <DarkLegacy> I used KDE 1.2 if I recall correctly
[01:35] <Joeboy> Knoppix rocks, but for different things
[01:35] <Music^Hound> even Gentoo is getting easier
[01:35] <flaccid> well knoppix is debian as well?
[01:35] <DarkLegacy> I tried the Gentoo live CD
[01:35] <DarkLegacy> When I saw the Bash console I just sat there staring
[01:35] <DarkLegacy> lol
[01:36] <Joeboy> I use gentoo at home. It rocks. Things *work*
[01:36] <Music^Hound> there is a gui based installer
[01:36] <Joeboy> Whereas there's a fair amount of brokenness on ubuntu ime
[01:36] <DarkLegacy> Not for me at least
[01:36] <DarkLegacy> On my laptop, everything is broken for Ubuntu
[01:36] <Music^Hound> had a desktop in an hour on gentoo
[01:36] <DarkLegacy> On my home PC everything worked perfectly
[01:37] <DarkLegacy> It installed in 8 minutes
[01:37] <DarkLegacy> Hm.. I wonder if Winamp works for Linux too
[01:37] <flaccid> use xmms
[01:37] <flaccid> but amarok is the best..
[01:37] <ccc_> DarkLegacy: you know about the package manager right? you don't need to compile.
[01:38] <DarkLegacy> This is one of the moments I'm glad I've got Windows running in the background.. Ctrl + Alt - Winamp. XD
[01:38] <Joeboy> You can run winamp in wine if you're crazy. Some versions anyway.
[01:38] <Joeboy> xmms is about the same thing
[01:38] <DarkLegacy> I can run it natively right now too
[01:38] <DarkLegacy> :)
[01:38] <DarkLegacy> I'll go launch xmms just to see what it is
[01:38] <DarkLegacy> Er, I've got amarok
[01:38] <flaccid> install amarok and forget about shit players
[01:38] <flaccid> god
[01:39] <flaccid> good
[01:39] <DarkLegacy> I've already got it installed
[01:39] <DarkLegacy> It's launching right now
[01:39] <DarkLegacy> Ooooh
[01:39] <DarkLegacy> This is nice :)
[01:40] <flaccid> indeed
[01:40] <ccc_> winamp is a sad, bloated piece of software
[01:40] <DarkLegacy> Winamp got owned by AOL
[01:40] <DarkLegacy> It was the only good media player for Windows, then AOL took it over
[01:41] <ccc_> amarok is the best one on any platform
[01:41] <DarkLegacy> Hmm
[01:41] <flaccid> ccc_: can you get amarok for windows?
[01:41] <DarkLegacy> I tried launching a Winamp playlist with Amarok and it says that access is denied to the stream
[01:41] <DarkLegacy> No linux users I guess?
[01:43] <Allegula> hi
[01:43] <DarkLegacy> Sup
[01:44] <ccc_> flaccid: no, i meant the best player, all OS:es taken into consideration :)
[01:44] <DarkLegacy> Hm
[01:44] <DarkLegacy> I tried sudo apt-get install Opera and it says package cannot be found
[01:44] <flaccid> fair enough
[01:44] <DarkLegacy> lol
[01:44] <flaccid> i guess
[01:45] <DarkLegacy> How do I install it from the .tar.gz
[01:45] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: worst case scenario d/l the package and install it
[01:45] <DarkLegacy> I did dl the package.
[01:45] <DarkLegacy> How do I install it?
[01:45] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: Try opera instead of Opera
[01:45] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: Get used to things being case-sensitive
[01:45] <DarkLegacy> I tried both capitalizations
[01:45] <arejensen> Don't they have a deb package at their homepage ? Havn't used opera in ages though.
[01:45] <DarkLegacy> They do, I downloaded it.
[01:45] <DarkLegacy> How do I install it?
[01:46] <flaccid> use dpkg
[01:46] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: It's the .sh, right?
[01:46] <arejensen> dpkg -i package
[01:46] <DarkLegacy> There's a .sh inside of it
[01:46] <DarkLegacy> Thanks are
[01:46] <arejensen> nps
[01:46] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: What else is inside of it
[01:46] <DarkLegacy> Alot of crap
[01:47] <DarkLegacy> Install.sh strikes out to me though
[01:47] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: Aren't there instructions?
[01:47] <DarkLegacy> No instructions
[01:47] <Joeboy> To run a shell script, type: sh /path_to/shell_script.sh
[01:47] <lwizardl> hi
[01:47] <lwizardl> how do you find out what version of kde i'm running
[01:47] <DarkLegacy> Oh, there you go
[01:47] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: you want the .deb package to install with dpkg. http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=28130&location=109&nothanks=yes&sub=marine
[01:48] <ccc_> DarkLegacy: there is a kubuntu deb package on opera.com
[01:48] <ccc_> sudo dpkg -i <file>
[01:48] <flaccid> the package URI is what i pasted
[01:48] <DarkLegacy> So I'm looking for .deb files?
[01:48] <DarkLegacy> What are .rpms?
[01:48] <Joeboy> the installer will probably work fine
[01:48] <flaccid> rpm is for other distros like redhat
[01:48] <flaccid> ubuntu uses debian packages .deb
[01:48] <DarkLegacy> What are .tar.gz?
[01:48] <lwizardl> rpm is mainly for redhat
[01:48] <Joeboy> .deb files are software package files for debian and other debian-based distros including ubuntu / kubuntu
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> Oh.
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> So .deb is the next .exe?
[01:49] <Joeboy> .tar.gz are source files
[01:49] <flaccid> a tar.gz is an archive like a zip. you d/l the source code from opera in .tar.gz
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> OH>
[01:49] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: Not really :-)
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> I downloaded the source code?
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> lol
[01:49] <flaccid> hell no
[01:49] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: More like .msi I thing
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> .msi
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> Got ya :)
[01:49] <flaccid> in linux any file can be executable regardless of extension
[01:49] <DarkLegacy> That's handy
[01:50] <ccc_> lwizardl: one easy way is Help > About KDE in any ap
[01:50] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: actually .tar.gz is just an archive, like .zip. if it's software it's usually source code though
[01:50] <ccc_> *app
[01:50] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: in this case it might be binaries
[01:50] <flaccid> you just change the permission to +x. for eg. shell scripts don't need to be named .sh
[01:50] <DarkLegacy> Uh it opened up the .deb in Kate
[01:50] <DarkLegacy> How do I save a file in Konquerer to disk?
[01:50] <lwizardl> ccc_, thanks
[01:50] <DarkLegacy> sudo getfile link?
[01:50] <DarkLegacy> Something similar?
[01:50] <DarkLegacy> I know there's a command for it
[01:51] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: why not just do a wget http://whatever.foo.bar
[01:51] <DarkLegacy> wget there you go
[01:51] <DarkLegacy> Thanks
[01:51] <DarkLegacy> http://www.130th.net/pub/mirror/opera/linux/900/final/en/i386/shared/opera_9.0-20060616.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb
[01:51] <DarkLegacy> That's uh.. kind of long to type..
[01:51] <aeon17x> you shouldn't use sudo unless you really need to, ever
[01:51] <minnesotajones> some alsa expert there?
[01:51] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: shift + insert in konsole pastes
[01:51] <Joeboy> minnesotajones: ask your question and you'll find out
[01:51] <DarkLegacy> Wow.
[01:52] <DarkLegacy> I needed that so bad
[01:52] <DarkLegacy> You have no idea lol
[01:52] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: Or middle-click
[01:52] <DarkLegacy> It's downloading! :)
[01:52] <DarkLegacy> Ok, where did it download to?
[01:52] <Joeboy> Probably your home directory
[01:52] <flaccid> it d/l to pwd
[01:52] <DarkLegacy> Right.
[01:52] <DarkLegacy> It did
[01:53] <flaccid> i must say the server install of dapper was fast and i like not installing extra stuff
[01:53] <minnesotajones> I have a perfect configured alsa system with an sb live, but I dont't hear anything if amarok plays. What might have gone wrong?
[01:53] <DarkLegacy> Oh, there you go
[01:53] <DarkLegacy> I think it's working
[01:53] <DarkLegacy> Reading database
[01:53] <DarkLegacy> Unpacking
[01:53] <DarkLegacy> IT WORKED!
[01:53] <Joeboy> minnesotajones: Have you checked everything's unmuted?
[01:53] <DarkLegacy> OMFG
[01:54] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: w00t
[01:54] <minnesotajones> Joeboy: yes. Every channel is unmuted
[01:54] <Joeboy> minnesotajones: And you can hear with other apps?
[01:54] <DarkLegacy> Wow.
[01:54] <DarkLegacy> This is so kickass
[01:54] <DarkLegacy> :D
[01:54] <minnesotajones> no. also tried mpg123. nothing
[01:54] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: once you know linux a bit its easy
[01:54] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: Although binary only downloads are teh sux0r
[01:54] <DarkLegacy> Ok, next problem
[01:55] <DarkLegacy> How do I make a shortcut as runto:opera
[01:55] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: You probably won't use that procedure for many apps
[01:55] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: you could make a distro that includes a gui for package management if you really wanted to :)
[01:55] <DarkLegacy> Make a distro?
[01:55] <johnsandman> macromedia flashplayer isn't possible to install is there an alternativ?
[01:55] <DarkLegacy> I can't even use a distro yet, much less make one
[01:55] <Joeboy> eg? ubuntu has a gui for package management.
[01:55] <flaccid> DL: do a symlink using ln -s
[01:56] <flaccid> yeah i mean include that package for base install
[01:56] <Joeboy> It just doesn't do weird installers like opera
[01:56] <DarkLegacy> Nvm I figured it out already
[01:56] <ccc_> minnesotajones: which amarok engine?
[01:56] <johnsandman> btw it is on a 64 system
[01:56] <DarkLegacy> Create new > Link to App
[01:56] <minnesotajones> ccc_: xine
[01:57] <Joeboy> johnsandman: Thare's a free version called glash? gnash? something like that
[01:57] <flaccid> oh in gui, yes thats how kde does a symlink
[01:57] <Joeboy> johnsandman: supposed to be starting to work OK
[01:57] <johnsandman> ok thanks :P i will try
[01:57] <Joeboy> johnsandman: In heavy development I think though
[01:57] <DarkLegacy> How do I change an icon for a shortcut?
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> johnsandman: There is a wrapper to allow 32 bit extenstions to run under 64 bit firefox don't know its name or stability
[01:57] <DarkLegacy> I want it to use the Opera icon
[01:57] <minnesotajones> same problem with xmms. I tried several players to be sure.. :(
[01:58] <Joeboy> minnesotajones: er, your speakers are plugged in and switched on?
[01:58] <Joeboy> minnesotajones: In the right hole?
[01:58] <ccc_> minnesotajones: gstreamer is currently disabled in amarok, so use xine. you set it in amaroks preferences.
[01:58] <flaccid> DarkLegacy: change the icon then. opera probably went into the kmenu. you can just add the item from the k menu, otherwise you need to find the location of the icon
[01:58] <flaccid> need to have the sound in kde working first ie. sound test in kcontrol | sound system
[01:59] <DarkLegacy> Opera didn't go into the Kmenu
[01:59] <h3sp4wn> http://www.gibix.net/dokuwiki/en:projects:nspluginwrapper (allows 32 bit flash etc to be run on amd 64)
[01:59] <flaccid> bbs
[01:59] <minnesotajones> ccc_: I am currently using xine. No sound. Strange thing is that kaffeine tells me that the sound is muted, but alsamixer tells sound is not muted
[01:59] <Joeboy> DarkLegacy: If you'd used the deb it probably would have done. You can add it easily enough (kmenuedit)
[01:59] <ryanakca> hey all... for the multimedia department... have the Zeroconf configuration difficulties been ironed out? http://www.monroe.nu/archives/36-iTunes-Music-Sharing-Client-Works.html
[02:00] <DarkLegacy> I did use the deb
[02:00] <DarkLegacy> But it didn't add itself into the kmenu
[02:00] <ryanakca> DarkLegacy: add it :)
[02:00] <Ash-Fox> I don't have any zeroconf issues.
[02:00] <DarkLegacy> I will
[02:00] <DarkLegacy> I just want to change the icon from a gear first
[02:00] <DarkLegacy> Nvm, figured it out too
[02:01] <DarkLegacy> Lol, that was easy
[02:01] <DarkLegacy> They have an icon search
[02:01] <DarkLegacy> XD
[02:01] <Ash-Fox> Of course by zeroconf, I am refering to networking.
[02:01] <Joeboy> Have to get out of here, supposed to be working
[02:01] <DarkLegacy> Uh
[02:02] <DarkLegacy> It did add itself into the kemnu
[02:02] <DarkLegacy> But for some reason, it wasn't there first time I checked
[02:02] <ryanakca> Ash-Fox: lol..... I'm talking about the blog article... iTunes, Banshee, Firefly, etc... local subnet streaming
[02:02] <Ash-Fox> I just use VLC for streaming.
[02:02] <DarkLegacy> Next quetion
[02:02] <DarkLegacy> Question*
[02:02] <DarkLegacy> Actually, nvm
[02:03] <DarkLegacy> Skype probably has a .deb also
[02:03] <Ash-Fox> as for on demand content, samba does that well enough for me =)
[02:03] <Ash-Fox> DarkLegacy, get the beta =)
[02:03] <DarkLegacy> lol
[02:03] <ccc_> minnesotajones: did you try changing the output plugin in amarok?
[02:03] <DarkLegacy> Beta in Linux isn't really beta, is it
[02:03] <DarkLegacy> :)
[02:03] <Ash-Fox> http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/13beta.html
[02:03] <ryanakca> Ash-Fox: lol
[02:04] <DarkLegacy> That works fine
[02:04] <Ash-Fox> ryanakca, hm?
[02:04] <DarkLegacy> Now I just need to do dpkg -i
[02:04] <minnesotajones> ccc_: I tried oss, automatic and alsa... nothing
[02:04] <ryanakca> Ash-Fox: nvm
[02:04] <gilster> hello...any idea on how to password protect folders
[02:04] <DarkLegacy> Lol, go to permissions
[02:04] <Ash-Fox> DarkLegacy, the beta version of skype for linux has alsa, that's why I reccommend it over the 'stable' version.
[02:04] <DarkLegacy> What is alsa?
[02:04] <DarkLegacy> alsamixer ?
[02:05] <DarkLegacy> It sounds familiar
[02:06] <Ash-Fox> DarkLegacy, it's the thing that manages your soundcards on linux.
[02:06] <Ash-Fox> the older sound system on linux was called oss, unfortunately it has a few issues.
[02:06] <ccc_> minnesotajones: ok, hmm. maybe you should ask in #amarok
[02:07] <fek_> mahlzeit
[02:07] <Ash-Fox> Alsa has a compatabiliy layer for oss so you can use oss stuff with it =)
[02:07] <minnesotajones> ccc_ I'll try. thx
[02:08] <ccc_> DarkLegacy: yes. has to do with sound. :)
[02:08] <DarkLegacy> Eh
[02:08] <DarkLegacy> My sound works fine on Linux
[02:09] <Ash-Fox> DarkLegacy, the skype beta for linux uses alsa which is better.
[02:09] <DarkLegacy> Whatever, I'll take your word on it
[02:13] <DarkLegacy> :D
[02:16] <DarkLegacy> http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/549/vmware9st.jpg
[02:16] <DarkLegacy> Through the eyes of the beast
[02:16] <DarkLegacy> XD
[02:17] <ryanakca> I take it that the default runlevel (with Xorg) is 2?
[02:19] <ccc_> crikey
[02:19] <ryanakca> DarkLegacy: lol... nice :)
[02:21] <DarkLegacy> lol thanks ryankca
[02:21] <DarkLegacy> Through the eyes of the beast and into the eyes of the saint
[02:21] <DarkLegacy> Satan staring at God*
[02:21] <DarkLegacy> lol
[02:22] <DarkLegacy> #join ubuntu-offtopic
[02:25] <Jack12> hi
[02:26] <Jack12> how would i get the amazon cd specimens made playable in dapper? for breezy i knew..but i couldnt find sth helpful in the forums
[02:26] <DarkLegacy> Wow
[02:27] <DarkLegacy> Full sound functionality
[02:27] <DarkLegacy> Skype started working with Alsa off the bat
[02:29] <scott_> hey, trying to update my system via adept, however it always freezes on the enwest update for cupsys-bsd and wont budge any further than that package (which also happens to be the first one), can anyone help?
[02:30] <Jack12> The content you are trying to play uses an audio codec that is obsolete and no longer supported. "
[02:30] <Jack12> hwo could i get this old real codec?
[02:34] <Jack12> hobbsee? are u there?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jack12: yeah
[02:34] <Jack12> hija
[02:35] <Jack12> hobbsee i cannot find where the documentation is how to set up the right reaul player codec (an older one) for amazon so i can listen to that specimen files on their website hobbsee
[02:36] <dontdisturb> hi
[02:36] <Hobbsee> !realplayer
[02:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:36] <Hobbsee> hey dontdisturb
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Jack12: i'd check in there ^
[02:37] <bluesceada> hi
[02:37] <bluesceada> can i downgrade again from edgy to dapper?
[02:37] <ttyso4> hi
[02:37] <bluesceada> and how?
[02:37] <bluesceada> isnt there a downgrade command :/
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: edit /etc/apt/preferences
[02:38] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ah thx
[02:39] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: that file doesnt exist
[02:39] <Jack12> hobbsee no its not there i'd checked that ye, anyway thanks
[02:39] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.ca/84879  - create it like that
[02:40] <Hobbsee> bluesceada: it likely wont work.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> it's very painful
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (and it should start a downgrade)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> better to just reinstall
[02:40] <bluesceada> damn
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> I would try it
[02:40] <bluesceada> too bad it cant be as easy as in gentoo ;-P
[02:40] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: no it doesnt downgade
[02:41] <bluesceada> ah sry
[02:41] <bluesceada> ok i create the file , thanks
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> what ?
[02:41] <bluesceada> thanks . i will try it
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> There is to people who have tried that method (who I told about it) and none of them seemed to have too many problems
[02:42] <h3sp4wn>  /s/to/two
[02:43] <Ash-Fox> !ubotu
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[02:44] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: weird
[02:44] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: hm it doesnt downgrade :/
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> apt-get -t dapper upgrade && apt-get -t dapper dist-upgrade
[02:46] <bluesceada> ah thx
[02:46] <bluesceada> ah no
[02:46] <bluesceada> still not the right one ....
[02:46] <bluesceada> doesnt do anything
[02:46] <bluesceada> hm
[02:46] <bluesceada> ah wait
[02:47] <bluesceada> no it's still not downgrading anything :S
[02:47] <bluesceada> :(
[02:47] <z00m> anyone here use ettercap on kubuntu ?
[02:48] <z00m> i have installed it but there are no devices under capture devices. but in linux i have eth0 ath0 so why is this ?
[02:48] <z00m> its the same on ethereal
[02:48] <xplore> hey zOOM which gui do you use
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Try changing the pin-priority of dapper to 1001
[02:49] <xplore> ettercap
[02:49] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: okay
[02:49] <z00m> im running the kde version which is kubuntu, the GUI for ettercap is GTK
[02:49] <bluesceada> still doesnt do it...
[02:50] <z00m> the .ded i installed is ettercap-gtk
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> What is in /etc/apt.conf ?
[02:51] <z00m> i have tryed installed just the termal based version and this is still doing the same only throwing an error "pcap_lookupdev: no suitable device found"
[02:51] <z00m> s/installed/installing
[02:51] <h3sp4wn>  /etc/apt/apt.conf
[02:52] <z00m> xplore: do you know what the probelm could be
[02:52] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Try sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[02:53] <z00m> dont know if it could be my wifi card drivers that are installed or not because eth0 is not even in the list.
[02:53] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ok
[02:54] <arejensen> What card do you have z00m ?
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Has it started the downgrade ?
[02:54] <bluesceada> no
[02:54] <bluesceada> doesnt work :/
[02:54] <z00m> arejensen: the card should work ok because it works on the backtrack live CD, its the NETGEAR WG311T
[02:55] <bluesceada> it's just Acquire::http::Proxy "false"; in the atp.conf
[02:55] <h3sp4wn> h3sp4wn: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/preferences
[02:55] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: just that .. dont need to paste it
[02:56] <bluesceada> Acquire::http::Proxy "false"; in the apt.conf and the thing you put pasted for the preferences .. (though with the priority of dapper at 1001 now...)
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <arejensen> z00m: What does lsmod say about wlan, ath_hal and ath_pci ?
[02:57] <h3sp4wn> bluesceand: ^^
[02:58] <arejensen> I'm quite sure the card should be called ath0 not eth0. I might be wrong though.
[03:00] <h3sp4wn> Use ifrename if you are sure that it is wireless card (you can call them anything you want)
[03:00] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: hm? they all have dapper
[03:00] <bluesceada> if you want to check that out..
[03:00] <z00m> arejensen: yes my wifi card is under ath0
[03:01] <bluesceada> all dapper repositories i had before
[03:01] <z00m> but even my eth0 card does not show up under ettercap
[03:01] <bluesceada> hm
[03:01] <z00m> eth0 = ethernet
[03:03] <arejensen> Ahh. Not to sure about ettercap. Havn't used it for ages. But if you manage to find ath0 the drivers should be loaded fine at least.
[03:03] <z00m> arejensen: plus my card is working in linux ok because thats how im talking to you now from wireless connection
[03:03] <z00m> i just dont know why they are not showing in ethereal or ettercap
[03:03] <z00m> :(
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: sudo aptitude (go into interactive aptitude)
[03:04] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ok
[03:04] <z00m> do i need to install pcap drivers for my card to found in etherea l
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: clean package cache
[03:05] <bluesceada> ah ok
[03:05] <bluesceada> then i try again
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: update package list -> install and remove packages (aptitude is better anyway)
[03:06] <Hawkwind> How can I list all of my installed kernels ?
[03:06] <jaclu> ls /boot
[03:06] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ok
[03:07] <Hawkwind> jaclu: Thanks
[03:07] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: no packages scheduled for that...
[03:12] <z00m> arejensen: yes you was correct about running it as root, it works fine now thanks.   I cant send private messages because my nick is not registered
[03:12] <z00m> [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[03:13] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Try APT::Default-Release "dapper"; (put that into /etc/apt/apt.conf
[03:13] <Hawkwind> Why did apt-get upgrade just install a 2.6.15.24 kernel when I already have a 2.6.15.25 kernel installed.  How is that an upgrade/update ?
[03:13] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: ok thx
[03:13] <centyx> morning
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> bluesceanda: apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[03:14] <bluesceada> hm still didnt work
[03:14] <arejensen> z00m: Ahh. kk. Good that it works. Came to think of it as capturing packages in the way ethereal does require root privileges.
[03:15] <z00m> yes i didnt even think about trying that myself ... very answer to a simple problem hey ;)
[03:16] <z00m> simple answer to a simple problem^
[03:16] <Hawkwind> Anyone know why on earth apt-get upgrade would do such a thing ?
[03:16] <centyx> Hawkwind: no clue
[03:16] <centyx> Hawkwind: what else were you installing?
[03:17] <centyx> n/m
[03:17] <centyx> upgrade
[03:17] <Ash-Fox> I'm at a loss also. It's not like I've ever expirenced that when using apt with Debian.
[03:17] <Hawkwind> It even installed nvidia stuff as well :(
[03:17] <centyx> weird
[03:17] <Hawkwind> I don't see how .24 is an upgrade to .25 and I sure hope this doesn't mess things up
[03:17] <Hawkwind> I've done an update/upgrade every day and this hasn't happened til just now
[03:18] <Ash-Fox> nvidia stuff? I saw that as 'suggested' in the repository, but not required... hm.
[03:18] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: what does uname -r say?
[03:18] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I haven't rebooted so I'm still in the 2.6.15.25 kernel
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> bluesceanda: Don't know what you are doing wrong just did exactly what I told you to do and got http://pastebin.ca/84900 (I am not going to downgrade mine though because I want edgy)
[03:18] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Linux Britannia 2.6.15-25-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jun 14 11:34:19 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:19] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: hmmmmmm than im not sure
[03:20] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: http://pastebin.ca/84904
[03:20] <Hawkwind> ls /boot doesn't even show the new .24 kernel(s) that supposedly got installed
[03:21] <Ash-Fox> Hawkwind, that's because it didn't install the base package for that kernel
[03:21] <centyx> if i dist-upgrade it'll take me to 2.6.15-26
[03:21] <gnomefreak> centyx: -25 is latest iirc
[03:21] <Hawkwind> Ash-Fox: But how do I upgrade from .25 to .24 though ?  That's a downgrade
[03:22] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: -26 is the newest as of this morning
[03:22] <Ash-Fox> Hawkwind, that's one thing that has me baffled too
[03:22] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:22] <Hawkwind> centyx: Ahhh, dist-upgrade shows me that too
[03:22] <Hawkwind> Maybe I should do that too to make sure I get all the new/matching stuff
[03:22] <jaclu> hawkwind: in aptitude go into the packet and hit + on the desired version works for downgrades as well
[03:23] <centyx> afk
[03:23] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: hm damn .. i will try around at the weekend then, have to learn now .. thanks anyway...
[03:27] <Hawkwind> Ash-Fox: Didn't you learn not to use silly GUI's after running Mandriva so long :P
[03:27] <centyx> i use adept when it prompts me
[03:28] <centyx> but I tend to be mucking around w/ apt-get more often than not
[03:28] <Ash-Fox> Hawkwind, I quite like the little tray icon that tells me there are updates availible. :)
[03:28] <Ag_Smith> hello
[03:28] <centyx> it's just so easy to search for stuff w/ apt-cache
[03:28] <centyx> and see what's already installed w/ dpkg
[03:28] <centyx> etc
[03:29] <Ag_Smith> I want block a program to send via http from my computer at this ip 195.22.198.23/24
[03:29] <Ash-Fox> Plus, this isn't like Mandriva's GUI utilities which are.. DOG SLOW.
[03:29] <Ag_Smith> i had command with root
[03:29] <Ag_Smith> root@gioacchino-desktop:~# iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.3 -d 195.22.198.23/24 -j DROP
[03:29] <Ag_Smith> 192.168.1.3 is my ip on lan network
[03:30] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, xml-spy under wine?
[03:30] <Ag_Smith> but the program not are blocked ...
[03:30] <centyx> you just want to block outgoing traffic to port 80 to that subnet?
[03:30] <centyx> ^ag_smith
[03:31] <Ag_Smith>  you just want to block outgoing traffic to port 80 to that subnet? yes
[03:31] <Ag_Smith> I want block the out traffic to this ip  195.22.198.23/24
[03:31] <centyx> iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -d 195.22.198.23 -j DROP
[03:32] <Ag_Smith> thanks centyx
[03:32] <centyx> sure
[03:33] <Ag_Smith> yes Ash-Fox
[03:34] <larson9999> i'm a well known moron and can't figure this out: what package do i need to meet this requirement? GLIB >= 2.4 is required to build Gnucash
[03:34] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, you know... You should really just buy the software instead of pirating it :/
[03:34] <Ag_Smith> centyx: ithe program not are blocked ...
[03:35] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, can you open http://195.22.198.23/ in your webbrowser?
[03:35] <Ag_Smith> centyx: konqueror are blocked for this site but the program no..
[03:36] <Ag_Smith> Ash-Fox: no..
[03:36] <Ag_Smith> how to know the port used by the program ?
[03:36] <Philip5> larson9999: is that a trick question? :)
[03:36] <Ash-Fox> use netstats
[03:36] <Ash-Fox> or ettercap.
[03:36] <Ag_Smith>  Connection was to www.altova.com at port 80
[03:36] <Ag_Smith> failed
[03:37] <Ag_Smith> with conqueror...
[03:37] <Ag_Smith> but the program not fail...
[03:37] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, ever heard of HTTPS?
[03:37] <Ag_Smith> it use another port?
[03:37] <h3sp4wn> Ag_Smith: sudo netstat -lpAinet (I don't know whether that is what you want)
[03:38] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, heres a idea, sudo echo 0.0.0.0 www.altova.com >> /etc/hosts
[03:38] <Ash-Fox> It will make www.altova.com resolve to 0.0.0.0.
[03:38] <Ag_Smith> An error occurred while loading https://www.altova.com:
[03:38] <Ag_Smith> Timeout on server
[03:38] <Ag_Smith>  Connection was to www.altova.com at port 443
[03:39] <centyx> Ag_Smith: ok, take off the -p tcp and --dport 80
[03:39] <centyx> Ag_Smith: netstat -anp
[03:39] <centyx> Ag_Smith: that will show you what programs are using what ports
[03:39] <larson9999> Philip5: sounds like it but no.  adept shows me libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but that's it.  i'm assuming this is glib2.2. i need 2.4
[03:39] <larson9999> or newer
[03:40] <centyx> oh n/m
[03:40] <centyx> they answered you already
[03:40] <centyx> :)
[03:40] <centyx> i was actually working :P
[03:40] <centyx> my boss brought me Programming Perl :D
[03:41] <centyx> i hate perl
[03:41] <Ag_Smith> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# sudo echo 0.0.0.0 www.altova.com >> /etc/hosts
[03:41] <Ag_Smith> root@gioacchino-desktop:/#
[03:41] <centyx> but I've been having to use it a lot lately
[03:41] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, it did what it was supposed to.
[03:41] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, do a: host ww.altova.com
[03:41] <v3ctor> makes 09:41 < Ag_Smith> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# sudo echo 0.0.0.0 www.altova.com >> /etc/hosts
[03:41] <v3ctor> bleh
[03:41] <v3ctor> hate this touch pad
[03:42] <Ash-Fox> whoops, should be three W's, oh well, you know what I mean.
[03:42] <v3ctor> `sudo rmmod psmouse` fix that
[03:42] <Ash-Fox> v3ctor, help! my mouse is shooting lazers now!
[03:43] <v3ctor> shoot back
[03:43] <Ash-Fox> pewpewpew =)
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> root@gioacchino-desktop:/# host ww.altova.com
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> ww.altova.com is an alias for redirect.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> redirect.altova.com is an alias for origin.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> origin.altova.com is an alias for www2.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> www2.altova.com has address 62.218.28.233
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> ww.altova.com is an alias for redirect.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, I stated there needed to be three W's.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> redirect.altova.com is an alias for origin.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> origin.altova.com is an alias for www2.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> ww.altova.com is an alias for redirect.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> redirect.altova.com is an alias for origin.altova.com.
[03:43] <Ag_Smith> origin.altova.com is an alias for www2.altova.com.
[03:43] <linuxmonkey> !paste
[03:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:44] <linuxmonkey> Ag_Smith:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[03:44] <Ash-Fox> anyway, BRB. kernel update.
[03:45] <Ag_Smith> linuxmonkey: how to past on chat ?
[03:45] <PyroticShadow> Ag_Smith, http://www.paste.ubuntu-nl.org <-- paste it there, and giv eus the link.
[03:46] <Ag_Smith> thank
[03:46] <PyroticShadow> Ag_Smith, Np.
[03:47] <Ag_Smith> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17753
[03:48] <flaccid> whats this LTS business? what does it stand for?
[03:49] <centyx> long term support?
[03:49] <larson9999> Philip5: errr, if i could type i might have figured it out 8-)
[03:49] <Jack12> guys icant play the amazon rm files ..not even with the real player..where to get the codec?
[03:49] <picket> hmm, does easyubuntu works with kubuntu ?
[03:49] <picket> work*
[03:49] <flaccid> right, and how does LTS work?
[03:50] <jbrouhard> Anyone know why when I load rdesktop, i get an error that rdesktop is not properly installed?  Should i apt-get uninstall and reinstall it?
[03:50] <centyx> flaccid: I think it basically means long term free security/bugfix updates
[03:50] <centyx> flaccid: software updates. i'm not sure tho
[03:51] <picket> the LTS is just saying that there will be updates for a "long term" i think it was five years ?
[03:51] <LjL> think it's 3 years
[03:51] <v3ctor> means it will besupported for a longer cycle
[03:51] <LjL> 5 years for the server
[03:51] <picket> there you have it :>
[03:51] <flaccid> ah rightio
[03:51] <larson9999> if i remember what the site says correctly, it means it will be supported for 3 years???
[03:51] <desarrollo03> #ubuntu-es
[03:51] <flaccid> cool
[03:52] <larson9999> so companies will feel better about using it???
[03:52] <v3ctor> yes
[03:52] <LjL> hopefully
[03:52] <abattoir> the kernel would be supported for 5 years, and the desktop stuff for 3 yrs. iirc
[03:52] <larson9999> that would be nice
[03:52] <abattoir> the server kernels... to be specific :)
[03:52] <Ag_Smith> my net stats is:   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17755
[03:53] <Ag_Smith> but I dont see xmlspy or wine ...
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> Presumably it also includes security updates for apache etc if necessary (for 5 years)
[03:55] <xplore> can someone help me? tor privoxy and goole problems
[04:02] <wily> hi all
[04:02] <chx> hi. I have rearranged my monitors and while Kubuntu was working OK with a TwinView configuration while the monitors were left-right , when I changed to above-below now only Xinerama works, with TwinView the 2nd monitor, above switch off while the KDE login happens. It's on during the KDE login menu.
[04:02] <wily> anyone knows any tool for wireless scanning
[04:02] <chx> and this is very annoying because Xinerama is very slow here
[04:03] <Hobbsee> wily: wlassistant, knetworkmanager
[04:04] <Ash-Fox> I noticed that kubuntu does not add the video4linux option in the xorg config file by default
[04:04] <wily> si knetworkmanager
[04:04] <Jack12> if i want to compare md5sums i have to do that before extraction of the file? sry for that (basic) question?
[04:04] <wily> lo conosco ma come funziona
[04:05] <LjL> !it
[04:05] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:05] <thompa> kernel upgrade and nvidia today
[04:05] <wily> ubotu: mi sono confuso canale
[04:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about mi sono confuso canale
[04:05] <thompa> does anybody know where I can find what these upgrades fix?
[04:05] <LjL> ubotu is a bot :)
[04:05] <wily> Hobbsee: i know kwifimanager
[04:06] <Hobbsee> wily: kwifimanager is terrble
[04:06] <Hobbsee> *terrible
[04:06] <thompa> i use wireless assistant
[04:06] <mixas> tell me a good movie to watch tonight
[04:07] <wily> Hobbsee: i need something that scan continous
[04:07] <wily> and when find a wireless sounds or
[04:07] <thompa> question, if i setup my wireless under networking at home, how do i connect outside at other hotspots?
[04:07] <LjL> while true; do scanimage; done
[04:07] <mixas> tell me a good movie to watch tonight
[04:08] <LjL> mixas: that's a good question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:08] <thompa> i eventually connected, but I dont see anything other than wireless assistant
[04:11] <Hobbsee> thompa: use knetworkmanager or wlassistant for that, and pick your network
[04:11] <wilfredH> can anyone tell me why the new linux kernel is being kept back by apt-get?
[04:11] <cristiano> hello. i've upgraded to amarok1.4.1 but it says it cannot play MP3 files, why?
[04:11] <ubuntu> hi everyone
[04:11] <Hobbsee> wilfredH: which release?  dapper?  it's probably because it installs extra packages - sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:11] <Hobbsee> cristiano: install libxine-extracodecs
[04:11] <wilfredH> hobbsee: dapper
[04:12] <Hobbsee> wilfredH: it's safe to do an sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then
[04:12] <Ag_Smith> wily: sono italiano pure io hai bisogno di aiuto o dai aiuto ?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> !mp3 > cristiano
[04:12] <Hobbsee> !it
[04:12] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:12] <wilfredH> hobbsee: after unpacking 126MB of additional space used?
[04:13] <wily> help me please
[04:13] <wily> any tools that scans wireless good
[04:13] <wily> continually
[04:13] <cristiano> Hobbsee: i don't have it in my repos
[04:13] <wily> Ag_Smith: do aiuto
[04:13] <cristiano> Hobbsee: i've already installed all the codecs as suggested on the wiki page
[04:13] <wily> Ag_Smith: e lo chiedo come vedi
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> wily: Why would you want that ? It makes the connection unreliable at least with anything other than madwifi-ng
[04:14] <PyroticShadow> wtf Hobbsee ?
[04:14] <PyroticShadow> d00d..
[04:14] <wily> h3sp4wn: what is madwifi-ng?
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> For atheros cards latest code
[04:15] <Hobbsee> cristiano: add multiverse repos - at the end of each "universe" in kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list, add " multiverse"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> PyroticShadow: [00:14]  <-- PyroticShadow has left this channel (requested by Hobbsee: " get rid of that away message thanks!").
[04:15] <PyroticShadow> fuck this channel, ya'll are too damn strict... O_O he said "poop" kick him ban him!!!!!!!...
[04:15] <PyroticShadow> later Hobbsee have fun with abusing your ops
[04:15] <cristiano> i'll check Hobbsee
[04:15] <wily> h3sp4wn: but i need another tool
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> wily: most accesspoints don't like being continually skanned
[04:16] <wily> when i am in my car in my city and i need an hotspot
[04:16] <wily> i need a tool that tell me where are hotspots
[04:16] <Hobbsee> actually, away messages are annoying and should die.  but if he's going to flame, he's gone.
[04:16] <wilfredH> hobbsee: 126 MB extra for a dist-upgrade?
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> wily: That is cracking networks which is not condoned here
[04:17] <wily> no
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> wily: Try a script kiddie channel
[04:17] <Hobbsee> wilfredH: want to pastebin the stuff that you see?
[04:17] <wily> i'm not cracking nothing
[04:17] <wily> i search for a free hotspot
[04:18] <Ash-Fox> kwifimanager should auto refresh periodically.
[04:18] <Ag_Smith> Ash-Fox:  i dont see on netstat   xmlspy or wine... how to searc it ?
[04:19] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, you get the pid of the proccesses I believe, match it with that.
[04:20] <Ag_Smith> how to get the pid of process ?
[04:20] <wilfredH> ...pastebin is v slow
[04:20] <h3sp4wn> wily: Its not free unless you specificly have permission to use it anything else is like walking into someones house because the door is open
[04:20] <Ash-Fox> ps aux.
[04:21] <Ag_Smith> [16:21]  <Ash-Fox> ps aux.  ???
[04:21] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, it's a command
[04:22] <cristiano> Hobbsee: it works now, thx for ur help :)
[04:22] <Ag_Smith> yes
[04:22] <Hobbsee> cristiano: :)
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> !paste1
[04:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about paste1
[04:22] <Ag_Smith> but i run it  hen xmlspy is run ?
[04:22] <Ag_Smith> when
[04:22] <Ash-Fox> h3sp4wn, speaking of which, do you think mentioning hotspot in my ssid is a good enough indication that my network is free?
[04:22] <cristiano> btw adding multiverse it is also updating my system with 80mb O_O
[04:23] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: To me hotspot would imply that you can use it but have to pay I would put *free* in the ssid explicitely
[04:24] <Ag_Smith> but i run it  when xmlspy is run ?
[04:25] <shriphani> i got a problem with my wireless
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> What problem ?
[04:26] <Jack12> Hobbsee when grub usually boots with dapper, but is there a way to say in the last linux session : boot to windows? so that i wouldnt have to wait until the bootmenu appears and press keys within 10 seconds?
[04:26] <Ag_Smith> Ash-Fox:  i must run ps aux  when xmlspy is run ?
[04:26] <Ash-Fox> Ag_Smith, to be honest, I really don't feel like helping you, because all you're doing is trying to circumvent the copy protections in a commercial piece of software.
[04:26] <shriphani> how do set the radio kill switch off ?
[04:26] <rzei> could someone help me, it's seems that at least kwin has died somehow, leaving my x session nn-responding to keyboard input.. mouse works though. how do i restart kwin etc? should i do it through dcop system?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Jack12: not unless you manaully modified the config file
[04:26] <Ag_Smith> ok Ash-Fox
[04:27] <Hobbsee> rzei: kmenu, logout, end current session.  it's a nasty bug that
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> shriphani: With madwifi ? or which driver ?
[04:27] <shriphani> broadcom
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> If I had broadcom I would use the devicescape version (don't know with the soft mac version)
[04:28] <Jack12> Hobbsee i intended not so much editing the file and setting a different first entry boot maybe commandline : boot next time to boot menu entry 4 or such thing
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver/Debian_Unstable_with_Devicescape_802.11_stack
[04:28] <Jack12> but maybe..
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Jack12: i dont know of a way
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> shriphani: That might help you that bug is fixed in the devicescape version
[04:28] <Jack12> Hobbsee thx
[04:28] <shriphani> ok
[04:30] <rzei> Hobbsee: well actually i couldn't see k menu as kicker was down tooo.. luckily through kdesktop i managed to copypaste "kwin" to run command window :) now it works
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> shriphani: If is doesn't work (because the device name is different you could still use the old version()
[04:30] <rubikcube> Hi all!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> rzei: heh, nice
[04:30] <thompa> i just allowed the upgrade, rebooted, everything is twice as slow
[04:31] <thompa> runaway process catcher complains every program is slowing things down
[04:32] <thompa> nvidia seems to work though
[04:32] <rubikcube> Hi, could anyone tell me how to configure kubuntu to automount usb sticks when I put them in? Thx
[04:32] <thompa> do i need to reboot a couple of times for the new kernel to work?
[04:33] <shriphani> h3sp4wn: the wirelesssss worked in breezy ubuntu
[04:33] <Ash-Fox> no, just once
[04:33] <thompa> i rebooted once and everything loaded slow, now its up to speed
[04:33] <Ash-Fox> as for the slow issues.. not noticing them
[04:33] <thompa> im going to try it again
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> shriphani: With ndiswrapper reinstall that again if you want but the devicescape version of the broadcom driver is the best
[04:34] <shriphani> but rt. now in kubuntu dappewr it aint
[04:34] <Kwukki> hi
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> !bcm43xx
[04:34] <cristiano> Hobbsee: sy again it seems like it is unable to play some radio streams: how to fix this?
[04:34] <ubotu> wifi is Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[04:34] <Kwukki> is it possible to add a second videocrad to my pc (2 screens) ?
[04:34] <wilfredH> hobbsee: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/7608
[04:34] <Kwukki> and how?
[04:34] <thompa> Ash-Fox: its fast now, but everything struggled to load, there was no desktop background or icons for over a minute
[04:34] <Hobbsee> cristiano: no idea
[04:35] <Ag_Smith> on netstat i-node is the port ??
[04:35] <thompa> im wondering if its hardware problem
[04:35] <Hobbsee> wilfredH: yeah, that's fine
[04:35] <Ash-Fox> !tell cristiano about mp3
[04:35] <wilfredH> hobbsee: it's pretty darn big - what's causing it?
[04:35] <cristiano> Hobbsee: it looks like it's something about .ogg streaming. damn with the gstreamer engine i had no prob at all, instead with xine a lot of probs :(
[04:36] <Hobbsee> wilfredH: kernel updates?  bugs that get fixed.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> see ubuntuforums.org if you really want to know - there's an annoucements page
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> crisiano: Are you talking about amarok ? I sometimes get invalid input errors for radio streams
[04:37] <DeadS0ul> italy sucks
[04:37] <Ash-Fox> italy won.
[04:37] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: yep same here
[04:37] <DeadS0ul> yeah yeah, rub it in
[04:37] <Ag_Smith> DeadS0ul:  you sucks
[04:37] <DeadS0ul> =P
[04:37] <cristiano> DeadS0ul: give us the Gioconda back :D
[04:37] <Ash-Fox> !sucks
[04:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about sucks
[04:38] <DeadS0ul> no
[04:38] <cristiano> lol
[04:38] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: I am annoyed they removed th progresive techno stream from radio streams is seems pretty random when it doesn't work
[04:38] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: i'm listening at the most of the streams, but some still don't work (kohina for example)
[04:39] <Ag_Smith> DeadS0ul:  tu es a poulet roti ?
[04:39] <Ag_Smith> :P
[04:39] <Ag_Smith> DeadS0ul:  tu es france ?
[04:39] <cristiano> Forza Azzurri e viva l'ITALIA!!! sempre e comunqe :P
[04:40] <DeadS0ul> naaaaaaaw
[04:40] <cristiano> Ag_Smith: maybe he is deutsh? :P
[04:40] <thompa> from log in to desktop takes a few minutes now after upgrade
[04:40] <cristiano> *deutsch
[04:40] <thompa> then i get a blank background no icons for over a minute
[04:40] <cristiano> ok german...i dunno how to write it in german^^)
[04:41] <Ag_Smith> cristiano: lui e' tedesco ??
[04:41] <DeadS0ul> haha
[04:41] <DeadS0ul> naw
[04:41] <thompa> how do i reconfigure xorg?
[04:41] <cristiano> Ag_Smith: pare di no....boh :D
[04:42] <Ag_Smith> Italia is the word champion!!
[04:42] <smith> i need a c compiler, any tipps ?
[04:42] <Ag_Smith> smith: install gcc
[04:42] <smith> hmm ok
[04:42] <pyrooo> hello all
[04:42] <Ag_Smith> smith:  apt-get install gcc
[04:42] <dr_willis> apt-get install build-essential
[04:42] <DeadS0ul> thompa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:43] <thompa> dpkg-reconfigure just found it, thanks
[04:43] <cristiano> smith: try installing build-essential too
[04:43] <smith> thx :>
[04:43] <pyrooo> i just installed kubuntu and i have major problems with resoulution
[04:43] <pyrooo> i can't change it!!
[04:43] <pyrooo> its like 640*480 and i'm 1280*1024
[04:43] <pyrooo> how do i change the resolution?
[04:43] <pyrooo> in gentoo i changed it using nano, but here i dunno how to do that
[04:43] <Ash-Fox> 640*480... Uh, I think your graphic card wasn't detected properly.
[04:44] <dr_willis> in gentoo you edited the config.. so ya could do the same.
[04:44] <Ash-Fox> pyrooo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> !ati > pyrooo
[04:44] <dr_willis> but its best to rerun the x confiug tools
[04:44] <larson9999> pyrooo: err, how about with nano?
[04:44] <Ag_Smith> cristiano: join #kubuntu-it
[04:44] <pyrooo> amm
[04:44] <Ash-Fox> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[04:44] <pyrooo> ok so i go into commad promt and run that?
[04:44] <pyrooo> yep
[04:44] <pyrooo> X11/xorg.conf
[04:44] <pyrooo> well i go do that
[04:44] <pyrooo> and try it
[04:45] <dr_willis> just editing the file - wont tell you what you need to change.
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> pyrooo: If you are using an X800 you should install fglrx first
[04:45] <shriphani> guys can i pick any of the drivers presented tre
[04:45] <pyrooo> yes i have X800
[04:45] <pyrooo> how do i install fglrx?
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> !ati
[04:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:45] <Ag_Smith> !i-node
[04:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about i-node
[04:45] <pyrooo> ok
[04:45] <pyrooo> thanks
[04:46] <pyrooo> btw
[04:46] <shriphani> h3sp4wn: will any of the drivs work ?
[04:46] <pyrooo> how do i make firefox my default browser?
[04:47] <h3sp4wn> shriphani: Do either dapper bcm43xx or ndiswrapper or devicescape bcm43xx - should all work but that radio turning off thing is a bug with the soft mac version of brm43xx
[04:47] <DHGE> pyrooo: http://www.google.com/search?q=kubuntu+firefox+default+browser
[04:47] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: damn i found vorbis decoding for gstreamer but not for xine :( uff i want gstreamer back in Amarok!!!!
[04:47] <pyrooo> thanks all
[04:47] <h3sp4wn> xine can decode vorbis by default
[04:47] <pyrooo> gonna do this now
[04:47] <pyrooo> thanks!
[04:48] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: so why it's not able to decode ogg streams on amarok?
[04:48] <Ag_Smith> !netstas
[04:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about netstas
[04:49] <Ag_Smith> !netsta
[04:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about netsta
[04:49] <smith> guys im trying to install superkaramba when im geting this ... http://pastebin.ca/84963
[04:49] <Ag_Smith> !netstat
[04:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about netstat
[04:49] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: Don't know try #amarok
[04:49] <cristiano> kk
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> sudo netstat -lpAinet and netstat -wutanp (are too useful netstat commands)
[04:52] <pyrooo> i'm back!
[04:52] <pyrooo> works great!!
[04:52] <pyrooo> thanks very very much
[04:52] <pyrooo> wow...
[04:52] <pyrooo> the graphics are awsom :P i'v been waiting for my linux to work since gentoo
[04:53] <pyrooo> is there any way i can import the backup file from MozBakcup of my WIndows FIrefox?
[04:53] <thompa> the new upgrade has slowed my system down too much, im going to have to go back to the older kernel maybe
[04:53] <thompa> at least now i get an nvidia logo
[04:54] <sdolnack> how do i watch quicktime video on kubuntu?
[04:54] <[GuS] > yep thompa  i noticed that too
[04:54] <[GuS] > my computer is slowest right now...
[04:54] <thompa> GuS; what the nvidia logo?
[04:54] <thompa> oh
[04:54] <thompa> its unusable like this
[04:54] <[GuS] > yep..
[04:54] <[GuS] > maybe for the kernel
[04:55] <thompa> i tried reconfiguring xorg
[04:55] <thompa> GuS; are you going back to earlier kernel then?
[04:55] <sdolnack>  anyone? quicktime on linux?
[04:55] <[GuS] > i dont think is for the xserver
[04:56] <[GuS] > or maybe the kernel or nvidia driver... but i am more sure for the kernel update
[04:56] <h3sp4wn> Just a vanilla 2.6.16 seems to run alot snappier than the dapper one
[04:56] <thompa> im not sure what to do, i think sometimes i might have a hardware problem cause windows runs like crap also
[04:56] <[GuS] > yep but before this last upgrade my computer were more fastest
[04:56] <jbrouhard> sdolnack: What you looking for ?  I have quicktime running through kaffiene
[04:56] <sdolnack> can i geta  firefox plugin?
[04:57] <[GuS] > and in this upgrade kernel were included
[04:57] <jbrouhard> Dunno
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> thompa: Try the kanotix live cd if that run's fast you know the speed problem is with kubuntu (the easter 2006 one)
[04:57] <thompa> i got kanotix here somewhere, ill try it
[04:57] <jbrouhard> Quicktime was preinstalled on this machine when I got it:)
[04:57] <[GuS] > sdolnack sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[04:58] <thompa> i know when i tried installing nvidia 6600 GT always some porblem
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> thompa: The easter 2006 one at least will load itself into swap (at least then you will know how your machine should perform) it will be quite fast
[04:58] <[GuS] > is not Kubuntu h3sp4wn
[04:58] <jbrouhard> [GuS] : sdolnack is looking for quicktime plugin, not java I think... :)
[04:58] <[GuS] > just today upgrade
[04:58] <[GuS] > ahh sorry
[04:58] <[GuS] > i readed bad :P
[04:58] <jbrouhard> Hehe
[04:58] <h3sp4wn> [GuS] : Kubuntu dapper is slow simple as
[04:58] <thompa> h3sp4wn: if it runs fast i know it still could be nvidia
[04:58] <[GuS] > h3sp4wn, i don't think so.
[04:58] <jbrouhard> *goes back to working on the how-to
[04:58] <thompa> my card sucks up power
[04:59] <jbrouhard> slow ?  Kubuntu slow?  Don't see it being slow here and i run kubuntu
[04:59] <[GuS] > and is for you is so simple, what are you doing here? :P
[04:59] <thompa> i run kubuntu on 4 machines, all fast except this one
[04:59] <[GuS] > dapper is more faster that breezy indeed
[04:59] <[GuS] > just i don't know what happen with today upgrade/kernel
[04:59] <thompa> this is my homemade box
[04:59] <h3sp4wn> Compare the speed of kde on suse / kanotix / kubuntu (objectively)
[04:59] <[GuS] > SUSE! haha
[04:59] <[GuS] > yeah
[04:59] <sdolnack> so yeah
[04:59] <sdolnack> quicktime
[05:00] <sdolnack> how do i get it
[05:00] <thompa> im about to smash it into little bits
[05:00] <thompa> SuSE, ha ha hah
[05:00] <londondave> what does it mean when the kwallet icon stays open in systray
[05:00] <thompa> cd wasters
[05:00] <Ash-Fox> Actually the speed of KDE on SLES9 isn't that bad.
[05:00] <[GuS] > SUSE is the more slooowest system i ever tried... adn works! propietary shit!
[05:00] <thompa> suse is bad for environment
[05:00] <LjL> !language
[05:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:00] <[GuS] > worst*
[05:00] <thompa> i got dozens of their cds here
[05:00] <LjL> and is SuSE proprietary?
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> LjL, many families aren't family friendly in language :)
[05:01] <LjL> Ash-Fox: i didn't write that factoid :)
[05:01] <[GuS] > LjL,  has to many propietary apps yes... included by default.
[05:01] <Ash-Fox> I still find it amusing :P
[05:01] <Ag_Smith>  Proto RefCnt Flags       Type       State         I-Node PID/Program name    Path
[05:01] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: My point exactly - there is something that makes dapper alot slower than kanotix on my laptop (had to switch didn't want xubuntu) desktop run's edgy which doesn't seem to be too badly patched yet
[05:01] <Ag_Smith> unix  3      [ ]          STREAM     CONNECTED     49293    9625/XMLSpy.exe
[05:01] <[GuS] > that why exist Open Suse
[05:02] <Ag_Smith> I_Node is the port ?
[05:02] <Ash-Fox> h3sp4wn, tried stealing the kernel and shoving that on kubuntu?
[05:02] <thompa> now my kubuntu is speedy again, it took like 10 minutes to wake up
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: I have built that kernel on kubuntu but you need to upgrade udev
[05:03] <thompa> runaway process catcher is happy, no clue
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: I used 093 from sid
[05:03] <thompa> ill try the live kanotix see if it screws up
[05:04] <Ash-Fox> actually, I'm noticing some lagging on the 'Linux version 2.6.15-26-686' kernel now.
[05:05] <thompa> Ash-Fox: so maybe i should go back to old kernel then
[05:05] <Ash-Fox> I have a good feeling this is related to scheduling tweaks.
[05:05] <Ash-Fox> thompa, don't want to reboot :P
[05:06] <thompa> the lag may be worse for others esp. with some nvidia cards, the 6600 gt is a pain
[05:06] <h3sp4wn> I just use the latest rt preemption kernel
[05:06] <thompa> h3sp4wn: where is that?
[05:06] <thompa> kernel.org?
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> http://people.redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.17-rt7 and kernel.org
[05:07] <thompa> thanks
[05:07] <wily_> anyone knows kismet?
[05:07] <Ash-Fox> h3sp4wn, hm, interesting =)
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> Ash-Fox: Interactive kde performance on dapper improved when I used 2.6.16-r29
[05:09] <thompa> h3sp4wn: are there some install instructions somewhere
[05:10] <h3sp4wn> thompa: No
[05:10] <Ash-Fox> ubuntu really lacks in kernel selection
[05:11] <Ash-Fox> At least, when compared to other distros. The lack of DKMS is somewhat annoying with the kernel modules that we call 'restricted' for alternative kernels.
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> I was hoping edgy was going to get some of the more experimental stuff into its kernel but it seems like more of the same
[05:11] <bbw> Hi all
[05:12] <bluesceada> anyone knows why this bug just occurs in ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-trident/+bug/52321
[05:12] <bluesceada> it's not the xorg.conf, and not just the trident driver
[05:13] <bbw> Im using adept something to install programs , but i can not select the same programs that ubuntu has someone now about this
[05:13] <Ash-Fox> bbw, copy the /etc/apt/sources.list from ubuntu to kubuntu
[05:14] <larson9999> yeah, finally got through .configure
[05:14] <Ash-Fox> bbw, then you will have the same packages availible on the ubuntu system, on your kubuntu system.
[05:14] <bbw> k i dont have ubuntu any more only kubuntu
[05:15] <Ash-Fox> !easysource > bbw
[05:25] <Ag_Smith> how to delete a rule on iptables ?
[05:30] <thompa> i rebooted with 2.6.15-25-386 and same problem, desktop barely loads everything is slow to a crawl
[05:31] <thompa> glxinfo shows nvidia working though and opengl works
[05:31] <thompa> something else i must have upgraded then?
[05:32] <thompa> or could it be because i also reconfiured xorg?
[05:33] <thompa> im going to try adding a modelin for my lcd
[05:34] <flaccid> when an apt-get freezes up unpacking a package, what should i do
[05:34] <flaccid> just ctrl + c and do it again?
[05:34] <LjL> flaccid: pray
[05:34] <flaccid> lol
[05:34] <rob_> hi
[05:34] <rob_> hii
[05:35] <LjL> flaccid: yeah if it really is frozen (do a ps aux and check, maybe it's just taking a very long time doing something?) use ctrl+c, but then pray again. then "sudo apt-get -f install" will work if your prayers have effect
[05:35] <rob_> anyon?e here
[05:35] <pyr0> well
[05:35] <pyr0> kubuntu is real good
[05:35] <oomph_7> i'm having problems configuring my nvidia card to use the "right of" function
[05:35] <pyr0> learning to use it right now :P
[05:35] <rob_> yup
[05:35] <rob_> same
[05:35] <oomph_7> i got a laptop with docking station
[05:35] <flaccid> ok thanks i'll try
[05:35] <oomph_7> i tried the nvoptions
[05:36] <oomph_7> and it didnt give good results
[05:37] <flaccid> hmm i think it just went to a new pkg
[05:37] <flaccid> maybe its taking ages
[05:37] <flaccid> its mysql-server and mysql-client
[05:38] <flaccid> w0a what is the top command
[05:39] <flaccid> hmm top is top
[05:39] <flaccid> its not working
[05:39] <SeanTater> top shows processes taking cpu time
[05:40] <flaccid> yep used to using it, but its not working, just putting cursor to new line
[05:40] <flaccid> hmm
[05:40] <SeanTater> try clear, then top again
[05:40] <SeanTater> if you can't get to the term, press q
[05:40] <flaccid> sorry what is clear?
[05:40] <pyr0> people: game or kopete
[05:40] <pyr0> whats your choice?
[05:41] <flaccid> kopete
[05:41] <flaccid> for sure
[05:41] <SeanTater> clear is a program that clears the terminal, you can use it if the terminal does not look right
[05:42] <flaccid> w0a its like freezing up commands
[05:43] <SeanTater> okay, are you doing anything you need to keep on that terminal?
[05:43] <flaccid> well i'm installing mysql with apt-get
[05:43] <flaccid> i can get in via ssh no problem
[05:43] <flaccid> but i run commands the cursor goes to next line and i can't break, only hangup
[05:43] <SeanTater> hum
[05:43] <flaccid> freezes hup
[05:44] <SeanTater> I also use ssh, absolutely no problems
[05:44] <flaccid> is there another command to see cpu usage?
[05:44] <SeanTater> not that I know of
[05:44] <flaccid> i mean i can get in via ssh still ok
[05:44] <nicoletta> hoi
[05:44] <SeanTater> nicoletta: you me /hi/ right?
[05:45] <nicoletta> jo
[05:45] <nicoletta> german
[05:45] <SeanTater> ah
[05:45] <SeanTater> okay
[05:45] <nicoletta> and you??
[05:45] <SeanTater> ?
[05:45] <SeanTater> English
[05:46] <nicoletta> ah
[05:46] <SeanTater> Live in USA
[05:46] <SeanTater> ?
[05:46] <SeanTater> That was a short conversation
[05:46] <SeanTater> nearly two minute
[05:51] <flaccid> far out SeanTater how do i kill a dead pts/0/ssh login
[05:52] <SeanTater> use ksysguard
[05:52] <SeanTater> you can't easily just kill the dead ones
[05:52] <bluesceada> you can, they will respawn
[05:52] <bluesceada> normally...
[05:53] <SeanTater> But usually if you don't connect/do anything for a period of time, they will die off anyway
[05:53] <teknoprep> hey all
[05:53] <teknoprep> is kubuntu the best linux desktop os or what?
[05:53] <teknoprep> holy shit this is nice
[05:53] <SeanTater> I know you can kill them, you just don't know which are dead
[05:53] <SeanTater> teknoprep: thanks, we think so too
[05:54] <teknoprep> ubuntu is nice to
[05:54] <flaccid> ah i got no gui on this box yet
[05:54] <flaccid> need a cli binary
[05:54] <teknoprep> but i prefer kde for a high perfomance machine
[05:54] <SeanTater> teknoprep: anything you would like help with?
[05:54] <SeanTater> teknoprep: I use KDE anyway, I can't handle gnome
[05:54] <teknoprep> gnome is great
[05:54] <teknoprep> for lower end machines
[05:54] <teknoprep> kde is good for this fast laptop i have
[05:54] <teknoprep> hey how i turn the touchpad off ... its synaptics
[05:55] <teknoprep> on my laptop
[05:55] <SeanTater> teknoprep: I used it, but it does not have the bunches of little features kde does
[05:55] <teknoprep> without going into the bios
[05:55] <SeanTater> teknoprep: It's in kcontrol
[05:55] <SeanTater> teknoprep: kcontrol is included in kubuntu, it's just not in the menu, press ALT-F2 and type kcontrol, run it chould come up
[05:56] <flaccid> man its freezing up even on changing user
[05:56] <flaccid> su
[05:56] <teknoprep> SeanTater: where in kcontrol
[05:56] <teknoprep> not under periphials
[05:56] <SeanTater> flaccid: how long have you been waiting for mysql to install, it took about 30 seconds for me
[05:57] <SeanTater> teknoprep: synaptics touch pad, I know it;s in there somewhere
[05:57] <flaccid> i went downstairs for ages
[05:58] <teknoprep> brb
[05:58] <sotired> most of my games sounds have stopped working. This is the error i am getting when i run one of them http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17769
[05:58] <SeanTater> humph -- I don't see it
[05:58] <sotired> can anyone help
[05:59] <SeanTater> !sound
[05:59] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[05:59] <sotired> i tried that
[05:59] <SeanTater> does that help? ^
[05:59] <SeanTater> hum
[05:59] <SeanTater> okay
[05:59] <sotired> but ill try again...
[05:59] <SeanTater> I don;t know anything more on that topic
[06:00] <teknoprep> hm
[06:00] <teknoprep> wow the transparencies are nice now
[06:01] <teknoprep> how do i check version of xorg?
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> teknoprep: If you are on dapper it is xorg 7
[06:01] <teknoprep> nice
[06:01] <sotired> most of my games sounds have stopped working. This is the error i am getting when i run one of them http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17769  anyone hgave a clue?
[06:01] <teknoprep> how i check which version of kubuntu i am using
[06:01] <SeanTater> teknoprep: there is also xgl, but I've never used it
[06:02] <SeanTater> teknoprep: files in /etc
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> cat /etc/lsb-release
[06:02] <teknoprep> dapper   6.06
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> So you are using xorg 7.01
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> So you are using xorg 7.0
[06:03] <teknoprep> nice
[06:03] <h3sp4wn> sorry
[06:03] <teknoprep> yeah the transparencies really took a  up
[06:03] <teknoprep> ahh
[06:03] <teknoprep> i need to disable this stupid touch pad
[06:04] <SeanTater> teknoprep: of nothing else, /etc/X11/xorg.conf shoudl fix the touchpad
[06:04] <teknoprep> i just need it turned off
[06:04] <SeanTater> tek how?
[06:04] <teknoprep> nvm
[06:05] <sotired> how do i fix "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"
[06:05] <teknoprep> is there a way to use say a macro or what not.. in the xorg.conf
[06:05] <uniq> teknoprep: I've found that disabling the touchpad on some machines is best done in the bios.
[06:05] <teknoprep> to turn on or off a Section
[06:05] <teknoprep> brb
[06:05] <SeanTater> sotired: killall arts and turn off any kde programs using sound
[06:06] <sotired> how do i reverse that?
[06:06] <sotired> restart?
[06:06] <uniq> sotired: what are you trying to do that gives that error?
[06:06] <SeanTater> sotired: or if you have time, there's a better way
[06:06] <sotired> arts: no process killed
[06:06] <sotired> i have time
[06:06] <sotired> i want to fix this
[06:06] <sotired> im running enemy territory
[06:06] <sotired> but most of my games do the samething
[06:06] <uniq> sotired: it's called artsd, but that's not a solution, it's just a workaround.
[06:07] <SeanTater> okay, go to system settings
[06:07] <sotired> im in system setting
[06:07] <SeanTater> now in sound and multimedia
[06:07] <sotired> there
[06:07] <SeanTater> sound system
[06:07] <sotired> ok
[06:07] <SeanTater> make sure auto-suspend if idle for __ seconds
[06:08] <SeanTater> make sure it's checked
[06:08] <SeanTater> and decrease the time to 0 seconds
[06:08] <sotired> ok
[06:08] <SeanTater> apply
[06:08] <sotired> ok.
[06:08] <SeanTater> and then try enemy territory again
[06:09] <sotired> no dice
[06:09] <SeanTater> sotired: okay, "killall artsd" again so it will take the settings
[06:10] <sotired> still no sound :(
[06:10] <SeanTater> Humph
[06:10] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:10] <SeanTater> okay, do you have any music or anything on?
[06:10] <sotired> no
[06:10] <SeanTater> elvirolo: hello
[06:11] <SeanTater> sotired: any sounds for anywhere, they need to be off the second you start the game
[06:11] <elvirolo> i am currently trying to install kubuntu dapper using the live cd, and I'd like to my my existing /home partition for my new kubuntu system, though the installer doesn't seem to allow me to do that ...
[06:11] <sotired> i dont have any sounds
[06:11] <SeanTater> sotired: :|
[06:11] <SeanTater> sotired: That /should/ do it
[06:12] <SeanTater> do you have esd on?
[06:12] <sotired> i dont know what to do!
[06:12] <sotired> i dont know
[06:12] <sotired> i have the sound set to autodetect
[06:12] <SeanTater> sotired: Humph -- Linspire had a neat little script for this
[06:12] <SeanTater> sotired: it would force the program to use arts
[06:13] <sotired> well, since it used to work it must be something runnign on my system
[06:13] <elvirolo> can anyone help me ?
[06:14] <teknoprep> sure whats up
[06:14] <teknoprep> ask your question
[06:14] <uniq> seantater: artsdsp can be used, maybe.
[06:14] <oomph_7> what is a good cd iso app?
[06:14] <teknoprep> k3b
[06:14] <oomph_7> cd burning and iso making
[06:14] <teknoprep> oomph_7: k3b
[06:14] <SeanTater> uniq: okay, I was lookiing at srtswrapper, no worky
[06:14] <uniq> oomph_7: k3b.
[06:14] <oomph_7> thx
[06:14] <SeanTater> uniq: let's try that
[06:14] <teknoprep> its only the best
[06:15] <teknoprep> man i have an ear infection
[06:15] <teknoprep> and everything sounds all fubar as hell
[06:15] <sotired> that sucks
[06:15] <SeanTater> sotired: uniq has an idea!
[06:15] <teknoprep> like there is an echo in my head
[06:15] <SeanTater> sotired: whetever command you use for enemy territory, set the work artsdsp befor it
[06:16] <teknoprep> hey whats the best macosx docking bar?
[06:16] <sotired> huh?
[06:16] <teknoprep> one that is exactly like the mac os x one
[06:16] <flaccid> i just installed mysql. is there a default password?
[06:16] <teknoprep> the 3d dock bar
[06:16] <sotired> i used kooldocker
[06:16] <sotired> but it leaks mem bad
[06:16] <SeanTater> sotired: for example: artsdsp enemyTerritory
[06:16] <uniq> seantater, sotired: you can try with 'artsdsp -m command' if it doesn't work without -m.
[06:16] <sotired> ok ill try
[06:16] <sotired> where can u find the 3d dock?
[06:17] <sotired> artsdsp works only for binaries
[06:17] <sotired> thats what it says
[06:17] <elvirolo> uh, the text mode installer was much better
[06:18] <SeanTater> elvirolo: then use the alternate cd
[06:18] <elvirolo> SeanTater: does it use the original installer ?
[06:19] <SeanTater> elvirolo: yes
[06:19] <elvirolo> SeanTater: ok thanks
[06:19] <sotired> seantater: "artsdsp works only for binaries" is what it tells me
[06:19] <oomph_7> i dont see an option in k3b to just make an iso image
[06:20] <sotired> right click the blank area
[06:20] <sotired> oomph
[06:20] <teknoprep> i keep getting this msg
[06:20] <teknoprep> LCD Pannel: ON
[06:20] <teknoprep> how do i stop it from telling me that
[06:20] <teknoprep> must be an acpi asus thing
[06:20] <oomph_7> k
[06:23] <teknoprep> wow
[06:23] <bluesceada> teknoprep: there is something about that in the wiki
[06:23] <teknoprep> the new google browser sync OWNS
[06:23] <teknoprep> wiki site please
[06:23] <bluesceada> i dont know
[06:23] <bluesceada> google
[06:24] <teknoprep> kubuntu wiki or kde wiki?
[06:24] <bluesceada> teknoprep: ahm it has nothing to do with kde really, right?
[06:24] <bluesceada> ;-)
[06:24] <teknoprep> sure it might
[06:24] <teknoprep> kde is displaying the info
[06:24] <teknoprep> gnome did not display this
[06:24] <bluesceada> then look kubuntu
[06:24] <bluesceada> such stuff is rather kubuntu specific
[06:27] <sotired> this is so frustrating :(
[06:27] <sotired> i just want to pwn some noobs
[06:27] <sotired> just kidding
[06:28] <ramonsa> hello!
[06:29] <chavo> sotired, I just log out of kde and start enemy territory as a seperate session, no sound problems and it frees up all that memory for the game.
[06:29] <uniq> sotired: 'sudo fuser -vk /dev/dsp' then run ET.
[06:30] <sotired> can i do that with contrl-alt f5?
[06:30] <chavo> although I don't have sound problems if I start it within KDE, just kill artsd before running it
[06:30] <uniq> sotired: that's not a elegant solution. But it will free the sound device NOW.
[06:30] <uniq> sotired: if that was a question directed at me, you can do it from ctrl+alt+f5 or from Konsole.
[06:31] <Hawkwind> !netinstall
[06:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[06:31] <sotired> how do i do this from konsole?
[06:31] <sotired> log out of kde
[06:32] <teknoprep> omfg
[06:32] <teknoprep> its been so long since i used linux
[06:32] <teknoprep> i am used to pkg_add from obsd
[06:32] <teknoprep> how do i install a .deb lol
[06:32] <chavo> sotired, put a .desktop file in /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/ and you can use kdm to start it
[06:33] <uniq> sotired: start konsole, from kmenu -> system -> konsole
[06:33] <sotired> i know how to staret konsole
[06:33] <abattoir> teknoprep: sudo dpkg -i xxx.deb
[06:39] <teknoprep> are there any repositories for apt-get and kde-apps.org ?
[06:40] <bluesceada> dpkg -i *.deb
[06:40] <bluesceada> and .. dunno about the repos
[06:40] <teknoprep> hmm
[06:40] <abattoir> teknoprep: many of the applications at kde-apps are available in the universe and multiverse repos
[06:41] <abattoir> check if you have then enabled
[06:41] <abattoir> !universe
[06:41] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:41] <teknoprep> nope
[06:41] <teknoprep> need to enable universe but multiverse is not listed in the default list
[06:42] <abattoir> teknoprep: you could just add it..
[06:42] <teknoprep> yup
[06:42] <m5m> I've lost my 1200x1600 resolution, and am stuck in 640x480, I think because I crashed the app 'Tuxpaint' last night and it didn't exit cleanly.  When I go into system settings to re-adjust X (this is after rebooting) the maximum display resolution available to me is 640x480 ;  can anyone guide me a little bit please on what to try?
[06:43] <teknoprep> anyone have any good multiverse ones to use?
[06:43] <abattoir> m5m: did you get 1200x1600 out of the box, in other words, if you revert to the original xorg.conf, would it do?
[06:43] <teknoprep> nvm
[06:44] <teknoprep> i got some
[06:44] <teknoprep> yeah man.. whomever asked me before if i wanna help
[06:44] <teknoprep> with kubuntu
[06:44] <teknoprep> naw.. i am a bsd and mainframe tech...
[06:44] <teknoprep> cisco security engineer .. that sorta crap
[06:44] <teknoprep> screw gui's except for this one laptop
[06:45] <m5m> abattoir: yes I believe so, where would I find the original xorg.conf? Do you think tuxpaint would modify xorg.conf to run at the lower res?
[06:45] <abattoir> m5m: i dont think so, but 'sudo dexconf' would get you your original xorg.conf...
[06:46] <abattoir> you need to restart  X to see if it works though
[06:46] <m5m> ok abattoir thank you
[06:46] <abattoir> m5m: ok, tell me if it works :)
[06:51] <m5m> abattoir: thanks for the sudo dexconf tip, it worked very efficiently :-P
[06:51] <abattoir> m5m: no problem :)
[06:57] <Breadmachine> okay, big problem, i had windows XP set as my default operating system in GRUB, and just updated kubuntu, and when i went to restart, windows XP had dissapeared in GRUB and was replaced with the updated kernal, how do i fix this?!?
[06:59] <Breadmachine> please? anyone?
[06:59] <teknoprep> hey hey
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> !grub
[06:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:59] <sdolnack> Breadmachine: what's yer question?
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> or try asking in ##windows
[06:59] <teknoprep> skrew windows
[06:59] <teknoprep> worst os ever writen
[07:00] <teknoprep> only good thing about it is its extensive support from big business
[07:00] <teknoprep> the fact is i get so much shit on crappy stuff like MS Exchange to MS Sql
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> !bug 1
[07:00] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[07:00] <teknoprep> the only good thing with MS is Active Directory
[07:00] <teknoprep> and thats it
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> Novells directory thing is better
[07:00] <teknoprep> naw
[07:01] <teknoprep> its only network applicabel
[07:01] <Breadmachine> okay, big problem, i had windows XP set as my default operating system in GRUB, and just updated kubuntu, and when i went to restart, windows XP had dissapeared in GRUB and was replaced with the updated kernal, how do i fix this?!?
[07:01] <teknoprep> while AD can support both local and network permissions
[07:01] <Breadmachine> sdolnack: look ^up^
[07:01] <teknoprep> AD is much better suited for a windows destkop environment
[07:03] <abattoir> Breadmachine: go to /boot/grub/
[07:03] <teknoprep> i find it easier to cross connect from AD < -- > NIX anyways
[07:03] <abattoir> Breadmachine: what are the different menu.lst files you see?
[07:03] <abattoir> Breadmachine: is there a menu.lst.dpkg.old or something similar?
[07:03] <Breadmachine> abattoir: thank god, ill look
[07:04] <bluesceada> anyone knows why this bug just occurs in ubuntu? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-trident/+bug/52321
[07:04] <bluesceada> what is different to it, compared to other distris
[07:05] <Breadmachine> abattoir: i see menu.lst and a menu.list~ backup file
[07:05] <bluesceada> it's not the xorg.conf and it's not just the trident xorg driver
[07:05] <bluesceada> please anyone look at this bug :(
[07:05] <abattoir> Breadmachine: there isnt a menu.lst.old?
[07:05] <bluesceada> or i have to quit using ubuntu it seems :S
[07:05] <bluesceada> hm
[07:05] <Breadmachine> abattoir: nope, just menu.lst~
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Try kanotix - are you using older hardware ?
[07:06] <abattoir> Breadmachine: ok, put that and menu.lst on pastebin
[07:06] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: not really that old
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: How much ram ?
[07:06] <bluesceada> 256
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> Kanotix will be alot better with 256 (faster)
[07:07] <bluesceada> hm
[07:07] <bluesceada> actually kubuntu just needs under 100mb when running normally with browser etc.
[07:07] <Breadmachine> okay
[07:07] <bluesceada> and i really prefer having all the packages etc. hmh
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> But does it feel fast ?
[07:07] <Breadmachine> abattoir: okay, will do
[07:07] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: yeah it really feels quite fast
[07:07] <bluesceada> so it's ok
[07:08] <bluesceada> just not so fast with the vesa driver ;-)
[07:08] <bluesceada> and using the trident driver is annoying because of that bug
[07:08] <h3sp4wn> It feels dog slow on my 1.3ghz 256mb laptop
[07:08] <bluesceada> i googled for this bug and others also had it with ubuntu
[07:08] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: hm.. no it's really quite good..
[07:08] <bluesceada> of course, stopped some init scripts etc.
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> Depends what you are comparing it with
[07:09] <bluesceada> so... i have to go eating ...
[07:09] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: my 1900+ 768mb ram gf fx 5600 desktop
[07:09] <bluesceada> < away now
[07:10] <Breadmachine> abattoir: menu.lst:http://pastebin.ca/85065  menu.lst~: http://pastebin.ca/85067
[07:11] <Breadmachine> abattooir: god, my wifes gonna kill me
[07:11] <Breadmachine> lol
[07:11] <abattoir> Breadmachine: chill :)
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> Breadmachine: Perfect time to just leave windows
[07:12] <abattoir> Breadmachine: didnt i modify your menu.lst a couple of days ago?
[07:12] <Breadmachine> cant, guild wars ladder tourney is ending and im not all that good with cedega yet, lol
[07:12] <Breadmachine> abattoir: yeah...
[07:13] <dr_willis> gave Up.
[07:13] <abattoir> Breadmachine: well, you had a windows entry then...
[07:13] <abattoir> i mean it should be in menu.lst~
[07:13] <Breadmachine> abattoir: i know, but the update killed any trace of it
[07:13] <abattoir> ok, no problem
[07:14] <abattoir> Breadmachine: i think you posted the same file ;)
[07:14] <abattoir> if you havent... fine nvm
[07:14] <Breadmachine> abattoir: 2 diff files, both had same contents
[07:14] <abattoir> which partition is windows in?
[07:16] <Breadmachine> abattoir: main one, hdab1
[07:16] <abattoir> ok, my mistake, they arent the same...
[07:16] <abattoir> any clue on the partitions?
[07:16] <abattoir> oh ok
[07:16] <abattoir> hda1 right?
[07:16] <Breadmachine> abattoir: its formatted as C: the main physical partition, i believe 0, 0
[07:17] <Breadmachine> abattoir: yup hda1
[07:17] <abattoir> you mean hd(0,0) right?
[07:17] <Breadmachine> abattoir: yup
[07:17] <Breadmachine> <is a noob
[07:18] <bbw> Hi all
[07:18] <Breadmachine> abattoir: if you can, just drop the entry back into the "other operating systems" section
[07:19] <yogi> I am looking for a way to play the wmv9 files.  Anyone been successful?
[07:19] <abattoir> oh, you dont want windows to be first/default... like the other day?
[07:19] <bbw> Witch program is the same or easyer as Frontpage from Microsoft Office , or do i need crossoveroffice
[07:19] <Breadmachine> abattoir: after this, im not sure, till i figure out more bout linux and GRUB anyway
[07:19] <[GuS] > yogi, you tried w32codecs?
[07:19] <yogi> I have that installed, yes.
[07:20] <abattoir> Breadmachine: ok, so let me confirm, you want Windows menu item to appear after the Ubuntu list?
[07:20] <yogi> [GUS] :I have installed everything relevent to Dapper from the page devoted to such.
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> yogi: Which version of w32codecs ?
[07:20] <abattoir> bbw: you need a Web development suite?
[07:20] <Breadmachine> abattoir: yeah, thanks man
[07:20] <sdlnxgk> anyone having issues with downloading anything with gnutella???
[07:20] <[GuS] > Ok
[07:20] <[GuS] > you use Kaffeine?
[07:20] <yogi> h3sp4wn: I'll take a look.  Kaffeine doesn't work.  Xine, either.
[07:20] <bbw> abattoir , where can i find webdevelopment suite
[07:21] <abattoir> !quanta
[07:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about quanta
[07:21] <abattoir> bbw: search for quanta in adept
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> !sevas-repo
[07:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about sevas-repo
[07:21] <Breadmachine> bbw: try CuteHTML
[07:21] <sdlnxgk> !gnutella
[07:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about gnutella
[07:21] <bbw> oke
[07:22] <gioacchino> hello
[07:22] <gioacchino> !amule
[07:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about amule
[07:22] <abattoir> !limewire
[07:22] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[07:22] <LjL> !msg the bot
[07:22] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots
[07:22] <yogi> Darn!  I can't remember the command to give a pkg list! :-\
[07:22] <LjL> !info quanta
[07:22] <teknoprep> hmm
[07:22] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 2295 kB, installed size 5600 kB
[07:22] <LjL> yogi: you mean dpkg --get-selections?
[07:23] <sdlnxgk> thought gtk-gnutella was just as good as lime wire if not better and all ready installed?
[07:23] <abattoir> Breadmachine: http://pastebin.ca/85082
[07:23] <gioacchino> you know the site with all name of package ??
[07:23] <bbw> breadmachine cant find it in adept manager no CuteHTML
[07:23] <uniq> packages.ubuntu.com
[07:23] <gioacchino> I had try to install amule  with apt-get install amule
[07:23] <abattoir> Breadmachine: this time, i'd seriously recommend writing down the Ubuntu kernel info...
[07:23] <yogi> LjL:Guess so.  Actually, I guess I need the pkgs, so will do that.
[07:23] <gioacchino> but it not found amule
[07:23] <abattoir> Breadmachine: just in case something goes wrong
[07:23] <gioacchino> and synaptic not found amule....
[07:24] <LjL> yogi: well what is it that you need to do exactly anyway?
[07:24] <LjL> !info emule
[07:24] <ubotu> Package emule does not exist in dapper
[07:24] <gioacchino> !info amule
[07:24] <ubotu> amule: aNOTHER eMule P2P Client. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.1.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1173 kB, installed size 3212 kB
[07:24] <LjL> err, anyway gioacchino, it's in universe, and you probably don't have it enabled
[07:24] <gioacchino> how to enabled universe ??
[07:25] <LjL> gioacchino: what Ubotu told you in private
[07:25] <gioacchino> but on synaptic universe is abilited
[07:25] <LjL> gioacchino: then pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:25] <yogi> LjL:Looking for the version# of the win32codecs I have installed.  Not getting it done. ;-\
[07:25] <LjL> yogi: apt-cache policy w32codecs i guess
[07:26] <Breadmachine> ok, now for a restart and a look...
[07:27] <yogi> LjL:Unbelievable.  It says 'None'.  I *know* I installed it.  Good grief.  Don't think I used a backup w/o, at any point...  What is that URL?
[07:27] <LjL> !info w32codecs
[07:27] <ubotu> Package w32codecs does not exist in dapper
[07:27] <LjL> !w32codecs
[07:27] <ubotu> w32codecs can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages. Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas/pool/dapper-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[07:28] <yogi> h3sp4wn: Thanks.
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> yogi: Download it and install with sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[07:29] <gioacchino> http://pastebin.ca/85092
[07:29] <sdlnxgk> it's not called w32codecs for dapper
[07:29] <yogi> h3sp4wn:Okay.  Am d/l right now.  It brings up 'Ark'!?
[07:29] <sdlnxgk> you have to open up multi universe to get the codecs
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> w32codecs is not in universe or multiverse
[07:30] <sdlnxgk> Adept  is what i used  to  get mine with
[07:30] <sdlnxgk> I know it's a different name now
[07:30] <yogi> sklnxgk:there is a web page, somewhere, that has all that neat stuff on it.  Can't remember what it is.
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> w32codecs is still w32codecs (comes from debian-multimedia) they are illegal to use if you don't own a copy of windows
[07:30] <sdlnxgk> yogi I have seen it too but so much easier to  just search Adept and install it automatic :)
[07:31] <yogi> h3sp4wn:It'll be a bit... I'm only on ISDN.  Lucky to have that fast a connection next to the Mexican border.
[07:31] <gioacchino> LjL: http://pastebin.ca/85092
[07:31] <yogi> sdlnxgk:Got that, right. lol
[07:31] <sschneider> adept is the very problem I'm here over. Anybody got a minute?
[07:31] <teknoprep> wtf
[07:31] <teknoprep> adobe flash for firefox keeps crashing firefox
[07:31] <abattoir> sschneider: what exactly is the problem?
[07:31] <LjL> gioacchino: remove the leading "# " from lines 30 and 31
[07:32] <LjL> gioacchino: sorry, lines 20 and 21
[07:32] <jacques> bonsoir!
[07:32] <LjL> hello
[07:32] <LjL> !fr
[07:32] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:32] <sschneider> I'm trying to use adept to install Apache to run backuppc. I mark all the Apache/Apache 2 packages, hit apply changes, and it hangs forever, never doing anythig
[07:32] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: if i may ask, is it because of the interface?
[07:32] <sdlnxgk> you mgiht have to restart  xserver after  install flash for firefox
[07:32] <bbw> Installed quanta but is not what im looking for , i need to design webpage an need to see what im doing not by commands
[07:32] <jacques> thank
[07:32] <gioacchino> LjL:  thank
[07:32] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Because of its dependancy handling
[07:33] <kosh> sschneider: apache1 and apache2 are different, not compatible and not really feasible to run at the same time
[07:33] <LjL> gioacchino: then of course you'll need a repository update, i.e. "sudo apt-get update"
[07:33] <sschneider> Thanx. I'll give that a try
[07:33] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: would you mind elaborating a bit more?
[07:33] <kosh> bbw: quanta does have a visual editing mode
[07:33] <bbw> kosh how
[07:33] <LjL> !aptitude
[07:33] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:33] <sdlnxgk> LjL I use both ways to update packages but love the  auto update with Adept at times :)
[07:33] <kosh> bbw: however remember, if you don't write the code by hand it will never be very good
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: If you install something with aptitude and uninstall it takes all the dependancies away
[07:34] <bbw> it worked in frontpage
[07:34] <teknoprep> anyone?
[07:34] <teknoprep> wtf is up with firefox and flash?
[07:34] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: oh ok, that way, thanks :)
[07:34] <kosh> bbw: use view and the vpl editor
[07:34] <kosh> bbw: frontpage generates very very very bad code
[07:35] <sdlnxgk> teknoprep did you restart xserver after updating firefox??
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: smart has a gui (smartpm in universe) I would expect that to work better than adept
[07:35] <kosh> bbw: sorry if you want to be a developer you need to write the code by hand, if you want to just be a hack you can use one of the visual tools
[07:35] <sdlnxgk> after restarting xserver I didn't have any more problems with firefox crashing
[07:35] <teknoprep> no
[07:35] <LjL> h3sp4wn: still doesn't handle dependencies the aptitude way tho :\
[07:35] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: yes, ubuntu is going the 'smart' way ;)
[07:35] <LjL> h3sp4wn: and it's a GTK only GUI IIRC
[07:36] <h3sp4wn> I don't use it - I like the aptitude way
[07:36] <teknoprep> still crashed
[07:36] <teknoprep> after i did ctrl + alt + backspace
[07:36] <kosh> bbw: quanta generates fairly good code but it runs konqueror in reverse
[07:36] <bbw> kosh , can't find it vpl
[07:36] <teknoprep> hmm
[07:36] <kosh> bbw: hmm that seems strange what version of quanta do you have?
[07:36] <teknoprep> didn't crash in ubuntu
[07:36] <teknoprep> wtf lol
[07:37] <bbw> dunno give me 2sec
[07:37] <sdlnxgk> teknoprep might want to send firefox the crash codes and see what's up
[07:38] <teknoprep> ?
[07:38] <teknoprep> wtf lol
[07:38] <teknoprep> thats just stupid
[07:38] <bluesceada> hm does linux run on a via c3
[07:38] <bbw> kosh , 3.05
[07:38] <bluesceada> and how fast is a c3 with 1,2 ghz compared to a pentium III with 1 ghz ?
[07:38] <teknoprep> does anyone here have any problems with flash and firefox?
[07:39] <Cornellius> ''A Practical Guide to Linux Commands, Editors, and Shell Programming'' Is an awesome book. With a little more than 1000 pages.
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: It does run on it but depending on what you are doing I would expect it to be alot slower on the c3
[07:39] <bluesceada> oh okay
[07:39] <bbw> kosh, its working
[07:39] <bluesceada> so forget a c3 then..
[07:40] <Cornellius> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131478230/qid=1152639588/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0058797-3657501?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
[07:40] <kosh> bbw: okay, I can't help you with using it I just know it can do it, it products better code then the rest but all of the visual editors are bad at writing code
[07:40] <Cornellius> hey h3sp4wn
[07:41] <teknoprep> sudo apt-get install libflash-mozplugin
[07:41] <teknoprep> that did it
[07:41] <teknoprep> no crashes
[07:41] <bbw> kosh , thanks for your help , is there chat for quanta
[07:41] <sdlnxgk> gioacchino you still  looking for w32codecs??? the package is called libxine-extracodecs
[07:41] <teknoprep> i manually installed it before
[07:42] <abattoir> sdlnxgk: afaik, libxine-extracodecs is not w32codecs, then again, i'm not a 100% sure.
[07:42] <gioacchino> sdlnxgk:
[07:42] <gioacchino> Il pacchetto libxine-extracodecs non ha versioni disponibili, ma  nominato da un altro
[07:42] <gioacchino> pacchetto. Questo significa che il pacchetto manca,  diventato obsoleto
[07:42] <gioacchino> o  disponibile solo all'interno di un'altra sorgente
[07:42] <gioacchino> E: Il pacchetto libxine-extracodecs non ha candidati da installare
[07:42] <teknoprep> is there a free version of something that is as good as cadega or point2play ?
[07:42] <gioacchino> it tell it is old ..
[07:43] <LjL> gioacchino: that package is in Multiverse
[07:43] <teknoprep> next question... how do i enable kdeutils ?  or my volume and special button controls
[07:43] <gioacchino> how to enable Multiverse ?
[07:43] <LjL> gioacchino: and you don't have Multiverse enabled. append the word "multiverse" to lines 20 and 21 of your sources.list, and also to lines 37 and 38
[07:43] <abattoir> teknoprep: laptop?
[07:43] <teknoprep> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:43] <teknoprep> abattoir: yes
[07:43] <LjL> gioacchino: then apt-get update
[07:44] <abattoir> teknoprep: model/make?
[07:44] <teknoprep> asus z71v
[07:44] <teknoprep> all this stuff worked in ubuntu
[07:44] <teknoprep> worked quite well
[07:44] <teknoprep> but i prefer kde
[07:45] <sdlnxgk> teknoprep what flash are  you tring to install???
[07:45] <abattoir> teknoprep: KControl->Regional and Accesibility->Keyboard Layout->Keyboard model
[07:45] <teknoprep> sdlnxgk:  i alrady fixed it
[07:45] <sdlnxgk> I installed the package called  flashplugin-nonfree and mine works fine without crashing
[07:45] <sdlnxgk> sweet :)
[07:46] <abattoir> teknoprep: check for an Asus model, see if it works
[07:46] <teknoprep> i installed libflash-mozplugin
[07:46] <abattoir> teknoprep: all these should work out of the box w/ Edgy in kubuntu
[07:47] <gioacchino> LjL:  I dont understand ..
[07:47] <_JP> how do i change so that konqueror doesn't open .skz files in kate?
[07:48] <teknoprep> Edgy ?
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> !edgy
[07:48] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[07:48] <abattoir> teknoprep: the next Ubuntu version
[07:48] <teknoprep> ahhh
[07:48] <LjL> gioacchino: ok, just make your sources.list look like this http://pastebin.ca/85112
[07:48] <DarkAudit> !schedule
[07:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:48] <LjL> gioacchino: and then run "sudo apt-get update"
[07:48] <h3sp4wn> edgy seems to have sorted out the kde speed problems (at least at the moment it is running fast)
[07:49] <gioacchino> LjL:  ok thanks !!
[07:50] <LjL> abattoir: will they do that in Edgy?! but doesn't that mean making the distribution heavily non-free?
[07:50] <gioacchino> it work!!
[07:50] <teknoprep> awww shit i just used the microsoft natural keyboard model
[07:50] <teknoprep> thats working great
[07:51] <abattoir> LjL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuLaptopButtons
[07:51] <abattoir> LjL: non-free?
[07:51] <LjL> abattoir: oh - oh nevermind, i thought you were talking about something else
[07:52] <abattoir> LjL: oh, the mozilla plugin... :)
[07:52] <jay> Is there anyway to add the sun java fonts to blackdown java jre?
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> jay: Why not just use the sun jre ?
[07:53] <rui> .
[07:54] <jay> h3sp4wn: only version "5" is available... causes me some problems... prefer to stick with 1.4.1.
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> jay: Try to use java-package and 1.41 downloaded from sun
[07:55] <yogi> h3sp4wn, sdlnxgk, LjL:I messed up.  Gotta start that w32codecs d/l over again. :-\  Guess I'll find out if wmv9 plays.  I'll be back if I have prbs.
[07:57] <jay> h3sp4wn:  I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean by "java-package"
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> !info java-package
[07:57] <ubotu> java-package: utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 0.27 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 336 kB
[07:57] <yogi> Another question: Where is the usual place for a flash video to be stored?  I know it's being cached, but where??
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> jay: Look for a howto on installing java 1.41 on debian
[07:58] <h3sp4wn> jay: Chances are it will involve java-package and how to use it
[07:58] <jay> Ok... cool.
[07:59] <yogi> I am using Firefox and selected a youtube.com video to watch.  It was cached, but where would it be?  Seems to be using the Flash video interface.
[07:59] <jay> After 4 years using Gentoo exclusively I get confused by Kubuntu... Ironic.. LOL.
[07:59] <yogi> jay:Me, too.  I'm a kubuntu convert. ;-)
[08:00] <jay> yog:  :)
[08:00] <yogi> jay:How do you like kubuntu so far?
[08:01] <sdlnxgk> yogi I love kubuntu :)
[08:01] <yogi> jay:I had multiple probs updating G but have had smooth sailing w/kubuntu
[08:01] <sdlnxgk> my video works great with firefox
[08:01] <yogi> jay:kool!
[08:01] <teknoprep> how do i keep transperencies setttings for a single window?
[08:01] <teknoprep> or program
[08:01] <teknoprep> like i want konsole to always be 75% translucent
[08:01] <teknoprep> within kde
[08:01] <yogi> sklnxgk:my video works great w/Firefox, as well.  My query is, where is the vid being cached??  I can't find it.
[08:01] <jay> yogi: Somethings are frustrating me... most likely I'm still thinking like a gentoo "ricer"
[08:02] <abattoir> teknoprep: click on the top left corner of the window(on the icon)...
[08:02] <sdlnxgk> yogi I think my just streams
[08:02] <jay> I STILL can't get the correct version of pwc to install... making me crazy.
[08:02] <thompa> all my nvidia problems, and upgrade problems solved
[08:02] <sdlnxgk> if cached maybe in temp???
[08:02] <thompa> i had a bad dvd drive
[08:02] <yogi> jay:Some things are frustrating me, as well.  That's why I'm here. lol
[08:02] <abattoir> teknoprep: Advanced->Special Applications setting/Window settings, according to yourneeds
[08:02] <teknoprep> abattoir: it doesn't save when i reopen it tho
[08:02] <thompa> it was somehow casuing system instability, even with nothing in it
[08:02] <jay> hehehe, yogi.
[08:02] <uniq> teknoprep: right click on the window bar, select advanced -> window/program settings.
[08:03] <jay> I've got several things... but I want to get the java thing handled first.. then on to other issues. :)
[08:03] <yogi> sdlnxgk:I know mine is buffering, at the very  least... that would be all in memory?
[08:03] <teknoprep> nice
[08:03] <teknoprep> i got it
[08:03] <yogi> jay:Good luck. :-)
[08:04] <sdlnxgk> not really sure how linux does caches media from online
[08:04] <yogi> sdlnxgk:Wish I could specify the place buffering takes place... :-\ lol
[08:05] <jay> Grrrrrr... nothing with search suggested by h3sp4wn
[08:05] <yogi> sdlnxgk:Some of that stuff gets put in /tmp, but apparently not all of it does.
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> jay: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx
[08:06] <sdlnxgk> yogi that would be really nice since I have other drives  with hardly anything on them :)
[08:06] <thompa> everything works, after weeks of troubleshooting, it was a bad dvd drive,
[08:06] <thompa> i thought nvidia or xorg, even blamed kubuntu
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> jay: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
[08:07] <jay> Thanks, h3sp4wn... Don't know why I couldn't find that page with my search.
[08:08] <yogi> sdlnxgk:Yep... that's right.  I have some stuff that I copied from /tmp, but some of the youtube.com vids (et.al.) don't seem to be on the drive.  ...At least I can't find them... probably partly because I have no idea the extension.
[08:08] <I_Died_Once> !repo
[08:08] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:08] <I_Died_Once> !easysource
[08:08] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:09] <yogi> sdlnxgk:I've looked in the .Mozilla directory, the .kde/<whatever-it-is>http cache directory and found nothing.
[08:09] <thompa> h3sp4wn: turns out i had a bad dvd drive, sucking up memory, causing instability, nothing to do with kernel
[08:10] <jay> Well... off to try to get the java I want installed... will be back, I'm sure. :)  Thank you h3sp4wn!
[08:10] <yogi> h3sp4wn:Been there, done that, myself.  I finally went to an external DVD drive (USB) and have had no more probs.
[08:10] <teknoprep> wtf
[08:10] <teknoprep> why so many problemslol
[08:10] <teknoprep> kafein can't play .avi divx?
[08:10] <teknoprep> i hear sound but no video
[08:10] <thompa> yogi: do you mean me?
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> thompa: I know - nvidia is easier to install on kanotix though isn't it
[08:11] <yogi> teknoprep:Gotta have some codecs, apparently.
[08:11] <thompa> yep
[08:11] <DietrichR> Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone can roll up a deb of Kopete 0.12 with the ICQ login fix checked in today?
[08:11] <yogi> thompa:Nope... was looking for someone else. ;-)
[08:11] <DietrichR> Or if one already exists
[08:11] <teknoprep> yogi is there a basic like all codec pack i can install?
[08:11] <__osh___> teknoprep: blame US government and the patent hell. try #easyubuntu to get the "illegal" but good stuff you need.
[08:11] <I_Died_Once> where on my file system can i find the adept repositories list file?
[08:11] <thompa> so how could a dvd drive cause my whole system unstable?
[08:11] <yogi> teknoprep:Yep... there is w32codecs, for instance, for the windoze stuff.  The other stuff is avail from the repos.
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> !w32codecs
[08:12] <ubotu> w32codecs can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages  -  Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html
[08:12] <teknoprep> is w32codecs on apt-get?
[08:12] <yogi> I_Died_Once:Use the source-o-matic.
[08:12] <I_Died_Once> i did, got a file, now I need to put it on my syste,
[08:12] <I_Died_Once> system
[08:12] <yogi> teknoprep:Nope... it's somewhere else:    http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~seveas/pool/dapper-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
[08:12] <thompa> h3sp4wn: actually kanotix irc suggested its my dvd
[08:13] <thompa> you can install the nvidia live in kanotix
[08:13] <Seveas> !info w32codecs dapper-seveas
[08:13] <ubotu> w32codecs: win32 binary codecs. In repository Seveas, is optional. Version 1:20060611-0.0 (dapper-seveas), package size 13911 kB, installed size 33488 kB
[08:13] <h3sp4wn> thompa: I know
[08:13] <__osh___> teknoprep: easyubuntu helps with other annoyancies too, like java, and flash and some other things that are nice to have
[08:13] <yogi> teknoprep:I probably should have said it isn't available *to_me* via apt...
[08:14] <thompa> h3sp4wn: still everything works great now here so im sticking with kubuntu
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> thompa: Kanotix sorted out all the problems I was having with my laptop and I have had only a few very small issues (and it runs so fast)
[08:14] <thompa> h3sp4wn: did you hard drive install on laptop?
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> thompa: Yes
[08:14] <teknoprep> what is this easyubuntu ?
[08:15] <sdlnxgk> teknoprep you still  looking for w32codecs??? the package is called libxine-extracodecs
[08:15] <thompa> h3sp4wn: my sony vaio though had some temperature problems, it still works best in kubuntu
[08:15] <__osh___> !tell teknoprep about easyubuntu
[08:15] <thompa> in any other distor its 10c hotter
[08:16] <thompa> at least so says the indicator
[08:16] <h3sp4wn> thompa: Tried all of them ?
[08:16] <teknoprep> i got it
[08:16] <teknoprep> very nice
[08:16] <thompa> about 10 distros
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> thompa: My desktop is running edgy eft and laptop kanotix  - and there seems to be little difference (if anything edgy is more out of date and more broken)
[08:18] <thompa> runaway process catcher is not complaining anymore either
[08:18] <yogi> h3sp4wn, LjL, et. al: Remarkable how well wmv9's play when you have the codecs installed! lol  Thanks!!
[08:18] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: i also will try kanotix now
[08:18] <yogi> Have a good day, everyone. ;-)
[08:18] <bluesceada> kanotix will also probably have a functioning trident driver
[08:18] <bluesceada> it's just ubuntu not having it ... -.-
[08:18] <thompa> bluesceada: make sure you get the preview easter iso
[08:19] <bluesceada> thompa: yeh i'm currently downloading
[08:19] <bluesceada> hmm
[08:19] <bluesceada> does kanotix also offer repositories
[08:19] <thompa> all
[08:19] <thompa> its debian
[08:19] <bluesceada> ?
[08:19] <bluesceada> yeh
[08:19] <hugelmopf> DietrichR: have you seen the comment almost at the end of the kopete bug? it seems to provide debian packages.
[08:19] <bluesceada> but some who really work with it good
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> Nothing seems to be too broken in at at the moment
[08:19] <sdlnxgk> anyone using gtk-gnutella????
[08:20] <bluesceada> sdlnxgk: yeh
[08:20] <bluesceada> in gentoo though
[08:20] <sdlnxgk> oh ok....
[08:20] <teknoprep> wow
[08:20] <teknoprep> easyubuntu owns
[08:20] <bluesceada> what's the question
[08:20] <teknoprep> hmmm
[08:20] <flake> hi all
[08:20] <hugelmopf> DietrichR: ah, nevermind. it was only checkinstall'ed, so it's probably no good.
[08:20] <thompa> h3sp4wn: edgy eft?
[08:20] <bluesceada> teknoprep: what's special to it
[08:20] <sdlnxgk> mine worked in Debian but can't get it to download anything in Kubuntu
[08:20] <teknoprep> its EASY
[08:20] <teknoprep> lol
[08:21] <bluesceada> sdlnxgk: start it from konsole and look if all settings are correct
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> thompa: quite a bit is broken in edgy eft - but in kanotix (debian) nothing is very broken
[08:21] <bluesceada> teknoprep: yeh but what is exactly more easy
[08:21] <DietrichR> hugelmopf: Alright.  I'm not in a huge rush to get my hands on one but I'm just usually slow to find one when it does show up
[08:21] <thompa> h3sp4wn: edgy eft is very pre-release though
[08:21] <teknoprep> getting all the codecs i need for videos
[08:22] <sdlnxgk> bluesceada thanks will  give  that a try :)
[08:22] <bluesceada> edgy is very buggy here^^
[08:22] <bluesceada> sdlnxgk: good luck ;-)
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> thompa: It feels fast which is the most important thing (except for business type reasons)
[08:22] <sdlnxgk> bluesceada thanks will let ya know what I find out
[08:22] <thompa> h3sp4wn: oh, well i need stability right now for work and school
[08:23] <I_Died_Once> whats the differance between all the different version? dapper, hoary, breezy, etc?
[08:23] <bluesceada> I_Died_Once: age and stability
[08:23] <h3sp4wn> thompa: Never had a crash on any of them - maybe 5 mins a day sorting out mess
[08:23] <imachine> yeah
[08:23] <imachine> thompa, use bsd :)
[08:23] <imachine> ;p
[08:23] <thompa> h3sp4wn: is there any reason to run it other than speed?
[08:24] <DietrichR> yuck
[08:24] <thompa> kubuntu is very fast now that i dumped the memory draing dvd
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> thompa: Speed - nearly always have newer packages
[08:24] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: does kanotix also offer such easy gui config stuff ? for tv out etc.
[08:24] <bluesceada> like ubuntu does..
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: It has alot of stuff like that yes - and for ndiswrapper etc
[08:25] <bluesceada> h3sp4wn: okay thanks then
[08:25] <sdlnxgk> bluesceada found the problem will not create directory for downloads even know it's all ready there :(
[08:25] <thompa> bluesceada: if you want super simplicity try pclinuxos
[08:25] <bluesceada> i'm away now..
[08:25] <bluesceada> sdlnxgk: check for permissions
[08:25] <sdlnxgk> bluesceada did that and still nothing will keep playing with it but thanks for the tip ;)
[08:25] <bluesceada> thompa: nah i just want it to have a working trident driver and dont be too complicated..
[08:25] <thompa> bluesceada: for me kubuntu works consistantly very well
[08:25] <flake> how do i add a shell script to my panel
[08:25] <imachine> thompa, theres something more easy than buntu ?
[08:25] <imachine> oh sorry.
[08:26] <imachine> nevermind ;>
[08:26] <imachine> ;p
[08:26] <bluesceada> the trident driver is messed up (though not just the driver, and not just xorg.conf...)
[08:26] <bluesceada> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-trident/+bug/52321
[08:26] <thompa> trident huh
[08:26] <bluesceada> if that gets fixed i might try (k)ubuntu again ...
[08:26] <bluesceada> or if i have other hardware^^
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> bluesceada: Just try the livecd see if everything works there if it does then just install it
[08:27] <thompa> bluesceada: did you try editing xorg.conf?
[08:27] <thompa> maybe its your monitor
[08:27] <bluesceada> thompa: i used the exactly same xorg.conf from knoppix, which did work, and exactly the same *.deb knoppix uses
[08:27] <bluesceada> it works in knoppix
[08:27] <thompa> i had big problems with my 1440x900 lcd
[08:28] <bluesceada> same trident driver and same xorg.conf from knoppix, but still didnt work
[08:28] <bluesceada> i dunno why
[08:28] <thompa> must be kernel
[08:28] <thompa> if kanotix works just install it ditto
[08:28] <thompa> why waste time configuring
[08:28] <bluesceada> thompa: ?
[08:28] <bluesceada> i dont understand
[08:29] <bluesceada> this could be a kernel issue because of agp stuff maybe ..hmh
[08:29] <sdlnxgk> bluesceada I'm such an idiot.. I know the problem now
[08:29] <bluesceada> sdlnxgk: what is i
[08:29] <bluesceada> it..
[08:29] <thompa> bluesceada: i only know kanotix is more debian
[08:29] <bluesceada> thompa: ah
[08:29] <sdlnxgk> I saved my settings from debian box and had different user name in the conf file
[08:29] <xNinja> hi
[08:29] <thompa> less taint maybe
[08:30] <bluesceada> thompa: okay. knoppix works .. so..
[08:30] <xNinja> whats the difference between  kubuntu and the dvd one?
[08:30] <thompa> kanotix is same thing
[08:30] <bluesceada> yeh
[08:30] <bluesceada> burning kanotix 5% ..
[08:30] <bluesceada> so i'm away..
[08:30] <bluesceada> i have to learn useless stuff
[08:31] <xNinja> hello >>
[08:31] <ubuntu> hey all !
[08:31] <DarkAudit> xNinja: IIRC, the DVD has all of the Main repo on the disc
[08:32] <xNinja> hi ubuntu
[08:32] <thompa> kanotix is great, but for me i need kubuntu because i am working on some edubuntu school project
[08:32] <xNinja> DarkAudit, you mean the main or base libraries and stuff like that ?
[08:32] <Kwukki> hi
[08:33] <DarkAudit> xNinja: I mean all the packages contained in the repository designated as 'main' are on the DVD
[08:33] <thompa> bluesceada: the kanotix irs is helpful when you get live
[08:33] <thompa> irc that is
[08:33] <bluesceada> yeh i'm in #kanotix
[08:33] <bluesceada> sry really have to learn now...
[08:34] <xNinja> i see so that no need to download them from the net just put the dvd and install them
[08:34] <thompa> good luck
[08:34] <flake> can i add a shell script as a panel applet or to the panel
[08:34] <Kwukki> can i put 2 videocards in my machine?
[08:34] <DarkAudit> xNinja: correct... although for restricted, universe, and multiverse you'd still need to get those from online
[08:35] <xNinja> i see
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> If you want all of them you can use debmirror
[08:35] <juak> aqui se habla espaol?
[08:35] <juak> pa mi que no
[08:35] <xNinja> ok i have a problem while trying to run a program from the command prompt  it says : GTK+ failed to initialize. Is X running?
[08:36] <uniq> !es > juak
[08:37] <teknoprep> i honestly have to say kubuntu is the best dam distro i have ever seen
[08:37] <teknoprep> holy shit
[08:37] <flake> i guess i can drag my shell scripts to window #2, but when i open them they show up in an editor instead of executing via the SH command
[08:38] <juak> someone hava problems with the play the videos?
[08:38] <Kwukki> hi
[08:38] <DietrichR> Kubuntu is gay
[08:38] <xNinja> i love debian...but xbuntu distros is based on debian and nice looks...so thats all what you need debian users :P
[08:38] <teknoprep> lol
[08:38] <teknoprep> debian as a server = gay
[08:39] <Kwukki> whan i put a second video-card in my machine, it will be the default card, and X will not start. Can i config X from bash?
[08:39] <juak> no debian = kakilla verde
[08:39] <juak> :P
[08:39] <uniq> debian as server is very good.
[08:39] <teknoprep> openbsd / solaris / mini-mainframe = debain being pwned
[08:39] <xNinja> debian as a server is kewl
[08:39] <teknoprep> no
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> openbsd is slow
[08:39] <mazurski> agree
[08:39] <teknoprep> yeah ok h3sp4wn
[08:39] <xNinja> freebsd is rocks for server
[08:39] <uniq> kwukki: yes, use 'sudo dexconf'
[08:39] <Kwukki> thx
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> xNinja: Yes
[08:39] <xNinja> i'll try to make it my desktop also
[08:39] <teknoprep> openbsd is the answer
[08:39] <Kwukki> i'll try it
[08:39] <Kwukki> cu
[08:39] <teknoprep> for free
[08:39] <teknoprep> or opensolaris
[08:40] <teknoprep> linux is a joke for servers
[08:40] <uniq> debian for servers rocks.
[08:40] <xNinja> i didn`t check solaris packages yet
[08:40] <teknoprep> its for the unix noob
[08:40] <SeanTater> how is it a joke?
[08:40] <teknoprep> its not nearly as stable as solaris or bsd
[08:40] <teknoprep> also
[08:40] <teknoprep> mainframe and mini-mainframe are in-fucking-sane compaired to them all for transaction based procedures
[08:40] <xNinja> yes right but easy to use and free
[08:40] <xNinja> and alot of things to install
[08:40] <teknoprep> bsd is free
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> teknoprep: The entire freebsd 5 line was unstable
[08:41] <teknoprep> yeah i don't use freebsd
[08:41] <teknoprep> i use openbsd
[08:41] <teknoprep> nor does any company i work for use freebsd
[08:41] <uniq> teknoprep: please, #kubuntu-offtopic, this is a help channel. And making that kind of statement in a channel like this is not wise. and just time consuming noise.
[08:41] <teknoprep> openbsd and solaris
[08:41] <xNinja> i like freebsd   but didn`t check whats the difference between openbsd/netbsd/freebsd ?
[08:41] <teknoprep> uniq you obviously didn't read what i said
[08:41] <SeanTater> how are there more stable
[08:41] <teknoprep> kubuntu owns as a desktop os
[08:41] <teknoprep> servers are different
[08:41] <SeanTater> Linux already stays on for unimaginable abounts of time
[08:42] <xNinja> yep
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> I have had freebsd machines with 3 years uptime never seen that on linux
[08:42] <teknoprep> agreed
[08:42] <xNinja> yep
[08:42] <xNinja> me2
[08:42] <xNinja> what about solaris uptimes ?
[08:42] <teknoprep> solaris is insane
[08:42] <teknoprep> a properly configured solaris box will not crash
[08:43] <SeanTater> three years -- how does 1 minute every year effect the actual usefulness of the OS?
[08:43] <uniq> teknoprep: You obvioously didn't read what I wrote. This is a help channel for kubuntu, please go to #kubuntu-offtopic with this discussion about what distro/os is the best for servers. The general kubuntu user doesn't need help choosing his server OS. Please.
[08:43] <xNinja> infact i am into sun cert`s
[08:43] <teknoprep> yeah i skipped my sun certs.. went for RHCE and RHCT since i have my GSEC 1-4
[08:44] <xNinja> i have debian sarge as my main server  web/mail/ftp/...blah blah
[08:44] <xNinja> its kewl
[08:44] <escay> agree
[08:44] <teknoprep> uniq: you didn't read what i said first tho
[08:44] <teknoprep> so i win
[08:44] <xNinja> i finished rhce and now going for sun
[08:44] <flake> how can i make a script shell-executable from the kde gui instead of the terminal
[08:44] <xNinja> after that maybe i'll go hard for bash scripting/ceh
[08:44] <teknoprep> i have to pay 7k every other year to keep my certs up to date.. i am not getting anymore
[08:45] <SeanTater> flake: maming it executable to the making of the script
[08:45] <flake> as .exe?
[08:45] <uniq> flake: make it executeable, and make a shortcut button for it.
[08:45] <teknoprep> chmod +x filename
[08:45] <SeanTater> teknoprep: GUI
[08:45] <flake> ok thanks
[08:45] <SeanTater> teknoprep: not terminal
[08:45] <teknoprep> right click it and goto properties
[08:45] <teknoprep> then make it exectuatble
[08:45] <xNinja> just go to the taskbar or the application menu and add new application there and enter the name of it
[08:46] <xNinja> then put and icon
[08:47] <esben> Is it possible to revert the propritary nvidia driver to an older version? Or never one, even
[08:47] <teknoprep> you want to use the nv driver?
[08:47] <teknoprep> the default one?
[08:48] <xNinja> i am thinking about going to knoppix as my desktop ...any one can tellme why not ?
[08:48] <teknoprep> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:48] <teknoprep> knoppix < kubuntu
[08:48] <teknoprep> when in the xorg.conf
[08:48] <ricardo> hi everybody
[08:48] <ricardo> looking for cool wallpaper to tune up my brand new linux box.....
[08:49] <uniq> ricardo: http://kde-look.org
[08:49] <teknoprep> change the driver under the Section "Device"
[08:49] <ricardo> anybody out there knowing links?
[08:49] <teknoprep> change the driver from "nvidia" to "nv"
[08:49] <xNinja> teknoprep, :D
[08:49] <Kwukki> uniq : ok, i have a working screen now and one with "No signal"
[08:49] <ricardo> thanx uniq..was looking for some exotic pages though...
[08:50] <teknoprep> xNinja: ?
[08:50] <xNinja> just liked that knoppix < kubuntu
[08:50] <Kwukki> uniq : Did you know what i've to do now?
[08:50] <teknoprep> ahh
[08:50] <uniq> kwukki: you'll have to setup dual-head somehow. I have very little experience with that. Sorry.
[08:50] <teknoprep> yeah it sucks
[08:50] <Kwukki> ok
[08:50] <teknoprep> wow there are alot of nubs in here?
[08:50] <teknoprep> like non technical jargon speaking ppl
[08:51] <uniq> ricardo: something like deviantart.com ?
[08:51] <Kwukki> How can i "enable" my second screen?
[08:51] <v3ctor> "nub" is technical jargon?
[08:51] <esben> teknoprep: No. I want to use e.g. the 72xx driver
[08:51] <__osh___> Is there some way to copy a file to make konqueror ask for password when copying a file? I want to copy a file to a write-protected dir. Konqueror won't let me. Is there a way or is it back to cli again?
[08:51] <Kwukki> it shows "no signal" now
[08:51] <teknoprep> esben then install it
[08:51] <xNinja> teknoprep,  knoppix sucks ?
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> kwukki: install nvidia-xconfig
[08:51] <teknoprep> then run nvidia-xconfig
[08:51] <teknoprep> xNinja: yes
[08:51] <esben> Thank you :)
[08:51] <Kwukki> nope
[08:52] <Kwukki> it's not an nvidia card
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> Well use aticonfig
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> (if it is ati)
[08:52] <ricardo> uniq: cool..i'll check that out...thx!
[08:52] <teknoprep> Kwukki: what kind of card do you have?
[08:52] <teknoprep> lol
[08:52] <Kwukki> don't know
[08:52] <Kwukki> something very old
[08:53] <teknoprep> why does everyone say ty to uniq
[08:53] <uniq> __osh___: i would recommend running a filemanager in root-mode. alt+f2 'kdesu konqueror'
[08:53] <teknoprep> i don't see him saying anything
[08:53] <xNinja> is this book good OReilly.Ubuntu.Hacks.Tips.and.Tools.for.Exploring.Using.and.Tuning.Linux.Jun.2006   ?
[08:53] <Kwukki> I have a working radeon 7000 and something very old
[08:53] <xNinja> teknoprep, why sucks ?
[08:53] <trappist> teknoprep: check your /ignore list
[08:53] <Kwukki> how can i install that?
[08:53] <uniq> teknoprep: that's because I say most things on one line. And not 20.
[08:53] <teknoprep> i don't have him on ignore
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> xNinja: I hate hacks type books
[08:53] <esben> teknoprep: Is that one capabel of installing old drivers? The describing just says it's for updating config file
[08:53] <teknoprep> xNinja: www.google.com
[08:53] <esben> teknoprep: I need the correct versioned module
[08:54] <teknoprep> xNinja: your best resource ever
[08:54] <teknoprep> esben: ?
[08:54] <__osh___> uniq: Well, yes, but that's an ugly hack isn't it?
[08:54] <xNinja> yeah i know but i'll just give it a look
[08:54] <xNinja> but tellme teknoprep why knoppix sucks ?
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> xNinja: I prefer theoretical ones - and if I am installing anything complicated I start with the standard config and use the documentation from the programs site itself
[08:54] <teknoprep> esben: why not just.. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ?
[08:54] <esben> teknoprep: I *have* the nvidia driver installed. No problem there. But I have a program that crashes (taking the box with it) so I wanted to try an older driver. Is this possilbe under Kubuntu?
[08:55] <xNinja> yeah h3sp4wn its the best
[08:55] <teknoprep> esben: then just run nvidia-xconfig
[08:55] <uniq> esben: without having a clue on nvidia since I have ati cards only.. If you're thinkging about the nvidia driver that comes with linux-restricted-modules, you would have to downgrade the kernel and linux-restricted-modules to match the old version of the driver you want. Unless you install and compile the nvidia module yourself.
[08:55] <__osh___> Kwukki: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20128
[08:55] <esben> Sounds like I have to do the later, then
 : thx
[08:55] <__osh___> Kwukki: All you need to know about dual-head. Looks right if I remember my dual-head setup.
[08:56] <Kwukki> ow
[08:56] <Kwukki> it is with 2 vodeo cards
[08:56] <h3sp4wn> xNinja: I think so if edgy doesn't do anything edgy or interesting I will probably switch to it fulltime
[08:56] <uniq> __osh___: well, not for administration stuff. But I would advise you to never use a root filemanager by default.
[08:56] <__osh___> Kwukki: Have a look at the config file in #8.
[08:57] <__osh___> uniq: But you'll have to agree that having konqueror pop up a little window asking for the right permissions would be nicer.
[08:58] <xNinja> i really thinks to switch to knoppix...but i want to know why teknoprep said knoppix is sucks....if a good reason then maybe i wont switch to it
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> __osh___: krusader is a better filemanager than konqueror (if you need qui)
[08:58] <uniq> __osh___: sure, I just don't think that is possible without alot of hacking.
[08:58] <Kwukki> __osh___ : in 1 word : HELP
[08:58] <__osh___> h3sp4wn: I don't need a gui. I'm just pointing out small annoyances. Perhaps I should go to launchpad.net and point them out there instead... ;-)
[08:59] <uniq> __osh___: for konqueror that is. as h3sp4wn says krusader is very very good.
[08:59] <Gioacchino> how to add another user ????????
[08:59] <__osh___> uniq: Right. Thanks for your help though.
[09:00] <aseigo> __osh___: yeah, having user switching on demand would be nice indeed ... something that's been discussed but nobody's written the code yet...
[09:00] <__osh___> Gioacchino: useradd my_new_user
[09:00] <esben> ok, new problem: Adept and friends claims there is a lock file on the repository (there is no open adept/apt-get/?) open. What is the name of the stale lock file?
[09:00] <uniq> gioacchino: kmenu -> system settings -> users & groups
[09:00] <xNinja> i am getting a bad performance in my ubuntu...maybe because i didnt make swap partition ?
[09:01] <Gioacchino> thnks all
[09:01] <[GuS] > lol
[09:01] <[GuS] > xNinja,
[09:01] <[GuS] > you didnt? :S
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> esben: run apt-get dist-upgrade and it will tell you
[09:01] <uniq> xninja: maybe. swap space is useful even if you have loads of ram. You could make a swap file. 'man mkswap' for more info.
[09:01] <__osh___> aseigo: Too bad my C++ is very poor. I couldn't program myself out of a wet paper bag in C++. :-(
[09:01] <uniq> !adept crash fix > esben
[09:01] <[GuS] > indeed swap is necesary... even when you have 1gb ram.....
[09:01] <aseigo> __osh___: do you program in other languages?
[09:02] <xNinja> lol yep i didn`t because the other space is for windows and another partition as store
[09:02] <esben> So it seems. What a poor error message :)
[09:02] <esben> thanks!
[09:02] <xNinja> but my laptop is good one so i though maybe it wont be a problem to not making swap
[09:02] <__osh___> aseigo: I know my way around perl/python/bash, being a sysadmin for 10 or so years.
[09:02] <xNinja> i have 2gb ram :D
[09:02] <xNinja> but i think still i need it or thereis something else
[09:02] <esben> xNinja: Try cat /proc/cpu and check the frequency :)
[09:02] <uniq> doesn't matter. swap is good for performance :)
[09:03] <esben> Maybe the governer is not upscaling
[09:03] <v3ctor>  /proc/cpuinfo
[09:03] <xNinja> OReilly.Ubuntu.Hacks.Tips.and.Tools.for.Exploring.Using.and.Tuning.Linux.Jun.2006.eBook-BBL
[09:03] <xNinja> wops
[09:03] <xNinja> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz
[09:03] <Kwukki> __osh___ : in 1 word : HELP
[09:04] <xNinja> its centrino 1.8 and 2gb ram laptop
[09:04] <uniq> xninja: look at the clock: line.
[09:04] <__osh___> Kwukki: Help with what?
[09:04] <thompa> my stuff works so im not screing around anymore
[09:04] <aseigo> __osh___: python is OO as well ... if you'd used those features getting into c++ isn't tooooo big of a jump ... and it's fun to boot =)
[09:04] <Kwukki> the second videocard
[09:04] <xNinja> cpu MHz         : 798.029
[09:04] <xNinja> cache size      : 2048 KB
[09:04] <esben> xNinja: There is your problem, then
[09:04] <uniq> 800mhz.
[09:04] <icheyne> after I installed the latest fglrx drivers, my login screen is shrunk with lots of dead black room around the edges. To I need to reconfigure xorg?
[09:04] <esben> xNinja: Mine says cpu MHz         : 2202.916
[09:04] <aseigo> __osh___: would be nice to have more sysadmins contributing as well so that perspective is more directly handled
[09:04] <thompa> sorry, mean for other moron
[09:05] <Kwukki> __osh__ : the second videocard
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> xNinja: It should run slower unless you are compiling or doing something that needs more power
[09:05] <__osh___> Kwukki: the config file in comment #8 should show you everything you need. If you have a working xorg.conf file now.
[09:05] <esben> xNinja: Are you running KDE by any chance? (They have a nice applet for this)
[09:05] <xNinja> i am not
[09:05] <xNinja> i am thinking to go knoppix or kubuntu
[09:05] <__osh___> aseigo: Will talk later. Have to leave for a bit.
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> xNinja: knoppix is a live cd why would you go for that ?
[09:06] <xNinja> the problem i found with ubuntu that it doesnt has gcc by default i have to install it my self
[09:06] <esben> xNinja: Try running something that takes some power (a compile, encoding, anything) and check the line
[09:06] <uniq> xninja: installing it is very easy. just install the 'build-essential' package with syntaptic/adept. And kubuntu doesn't install gcc by default either.
[09:07] <xNinja> when i saw the kubuntu dvd i though it has the nessesary packages like gcc or other library things
[09:08] <uniq> xninja: it's on the CD and on the DVD, it's just not installed by default.
[09:08] <xNinja> aha
[09:08] <hugelmopf> any kopete experts in here?
[09:08] <coachJ> i use it
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Is it on the desktop cd ? or only the alternate ?
[09:09] <uniq> hugelmopf: i'm not, but you can try to ask your question anyway, and we'll do our best to answer you. :)
[09:09] <xNinja> now i am just running xchat and console but still same cpu usage       but i am connecting through a wifi pcmcia card if thats the problem
[09:09] <uniq> h3sp4wn: i heard it was on both, not 100% sure.
[09:09] <uniq> I can check the desktop cd, as i have it right here..
[09:09] <hugelmopf> well, i was wondering if anybody could provide a package for kopete 0.12? they had debian/ubuntu packages for beta1, but not for the final release :(
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> uniq: It would be a bit pointless to have it on the desktop cd but not enabled
[09:10] <hugelmopf> there is one at kde-apps.org, but that is a bit too unofficial in my opinion, and it doesn't have a source package.
[09:10] <Kwukki> i have one
[09:10] <Kwukki> for 0.12.
[09:10] <Kwukki> wait
[09:10] <uniq> i ahve 0.12 too.
[09:10] <xNinja> i didn`t make swap because i have a little partition but i think i'll make it bigger and install it again
[09:10] <uniq> hugelmopf: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[09:11] <xNinja> can i make a swap file in a fat partition ?
[09:11] <hugelmopf> uniq: thanks a lot, that's exactly what i was looking for!
[09:11] <uniq> hugelmopf: still not official, you can say it's semi-official,  even though it's made by the kubuntu boss :)
[09:12] <hugelmopf> uniq: yes, i know. good enough for me ;)
[09:12] <uniq> xninja: you can place it wherever you want. as far as i know.
[09:12] <xNinja> teknoprep, where are you...you was talking and now stopped :P
[09:12] <xNinja> ok then i'll try it
[09:12] <hugelmopf> uniq: how did you find it? i searched a long time...
[09:13] <uniq> hugelmopf: magic.. no, i searched my irclogs for http:// and kopete. it's been mentioned before, you know :)
[09:13] <hugelmopf> uniq: ok, thanks again.
[09:13] <uniq> hugelmopf: you're welcome :)
[09:13] <Kwukki> can someone tell me how i can enable a second videocard
[09:13] <Kwukki> ?
[09:14] <hugelmopf> Riddell: you might want to add this patch: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130630 to your kopete 0.12 packages, as ICQ users can't connect without it anymore.
[09:15] <linuxmonkey> hugelmopf: i got 0.12 and i can still connect to icq
[09:16] <Sasuke> Hello
[09:17] <Kwukki>  can someone tell me how i can enable a second videocard?
[09:17] <hugelmopf> linuxmonkey: that's strange. even the topic on #kopete seems to suggest, that you can't connect to ICQ anymore with 0.12.
[09:17] <Sasuke> im back
[09:17] <Sasuke> is it possible to install programs off the internet?
[09:18] <Kwukki>  can someone tell me how i can enable a second videocard
[09:18] <osiris> Sasuke, yes
[09:18] <Sasuke> How?
[09:18] <osiris> Sasuke, what program do you wnat to install
[09:18] <Sasuke> I tried installing sysreset
[09:19] <Sasuke> but says it couldn't locate it :(
[09:19] <osiris> did you try making a new sources.list file yet?
[09:19] <Hawkwind> Sasuke: Have you setup universe and multiverse ?
[09:19] <Hawkwind> !repos
[09:19] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:20] <Sasuke> osiris,no,this is my first time using linux =/
[09:20] <osiris> Sasuke, follow those links Hawkwind just posted.  that should help you get a better idea of what you're asking
[09:20] <Sasuke> !easysource
[09:20] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:21] <esben> Hmm.. I have now encountered this one too many time, I got to ask:  When dpkg as you a question while running under adept, how do I actually answer the questions? I can't seem to get focus on the embedded console
[09:21] <esben> E.g, vm-player wanted me to ok a license
[09:22] <uniq> sasuke: you can try the package manager called Adept, you can find it in kmenu -> system -> adept (kmenu is the menu button in the lower left corner.) From within adept you can install applications from the internet.
[09:22] <whizz-> what do i need to use a webcam on linux?
[09:22] <whizz-> trust 320 spacecam
[09:22] <hugelmopf> whizz-: have you plugged it in and tried if it works out of the box?
[09:23] <LjL> esben: i don't use adept, but that sounds like a bug to me.
[09:23] <whizz-> yeah, doesn't work, but i plugged it with the computer on
[09:23] <whizz-> what program do i have to use
[09:23] <esben> LjL: me, too. Just wondered if I was missing something obvious
[09:23] <hugelmopf> whizz-: in which program did it not work?
[09:24] <hugelmopf> esben: i think this is a known bug in adept.
[09:24] <esben> hugelmopf: ok, I want to subscribe to it, then
[09:24] <uniq> esben: it's a known bug, adept doesn't support answering questions yet. You just have to close adept and finish the configuration from konsole with either 'sudo apt-get -f install', 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:24] <whizz-> hugelmoph: i'll rephrase my first question: what program should i use to see imagery from a webcam in the first place
[09:24] <esben> uniq: ok :)
[09:25] <esben> uniq: and thanks :)
[09:25] <uniq> esben: you're welcome.
[09:25] <hugelmopf> whizz-: well, you can try if you can enable it in kopete's settings, for example. or install a simple viewer application like xawtv and try it there.
[09:25] <hugelmopf> whizz-: you don't know yet, what you want to use the webcam for?
[09:25] <uniq> have to go play with my daughter.. later all.
[09:26] <whizz-> msn
[09:26] <hugelmopf> whizz-: then it's probably a good idea to try it in kopete. i assume you are running kubuntu dapper?
[09:26] <whizz-> yes
[09:27] <whizz-> kopete has a blue screen in configure > devices
[09:27] <hugelmopf> whizz-: and there are no devices available in the bottom?
[09:27] <whizz-> no; could a reboot help
[09:27] <whizz-> ?
[09:28] <hugelmopf> whizz-: it's a usb webcam, right? a reboot would not help.
[09:28] <whizz-> yes, usb
[09:28] <hugelmopf> whizz-: can you check the output of "lsmod" on the command line for a module called "ov511"?
[09:29] <hugelmopf> whizz-: or any other ov51x
[09:29] <whizz-> hugelmopf: no ov51x
[09:30] <esben> Wonderful, the bug is non-trivial an awaiting the "thaw".. which just about has to mean KDE 4.0. This is going to be some ice-age. I will write in a suggestion of a hackish workaround
[09:30] <hugelmopf> whizz-: be prepared that your computer might freeze, so save all your documents before trying the following: "sudo modprobe ov511"
[09:30] <cristiano> hello again
[09:31] <cristiano> guys why suddenly realplayer doesn't work good with streaming?
[09:31] <cristiano> i was watching NASA TV with the realplayer stand alone (not the plugin in firefox) and suddenly it didn't display the stream
[09:31] <serenity> hi
[09:32] <whizz-> that went wrong
[09:32] <cristiano> i have to open the stream with kaffeine and it is not so good
[09:32] <whizz-> hugelmopf: say again
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: network connection problems I expect
[09:32] <hugelmopf> whizz-: what happened? did you modprobe already?
[09:33] <whizz-> no, i accidenlty shut down konversation before i had read what i had to type
[09:33] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: can u try to watch the stream from NASA TV with realplayer stand alone?
[09:33] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: that's the link http://www.nasa.gov/ram/35037main_portal.ram
[09:33] <hugelmopf> whizz-: lol... ok, so open a konsole and type this after saving all your documents you have open: "sudo modprobe ov511"
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: No chance I am installing realplayer on my system
[09:33] <cristiano> lol ^^
[09:34] <cristiano> what do u use to see real player streams?
[09:34] <whizz-> hugelmopf: nothing happened
[09:34] <hugelmopf> whizz-: that's good :). can you check if /dev/video exists now? or maybe /dev/video0 etc.
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> Not particularly bothered about them but I think with w32codecs I can play them in kaffeine or amarok
[09:35] <cristiano> in fact i'm playing in kaffein but audio is quite broken while video is very good
[09:35] <whizz-> hugelmopf: there is no /dev/video
[09:35] <hugelmopf> whizz-: just by doing "ls /dev/video" on the command line
[09:35] <hugelmopf> whizz-: ah, ok. that would have been too easy :(
[09:35] <cristiano> u can play video even in amarok?
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> I don't watch video (hardly ever anyway)
[09:37] <DaSkreech> cristiano: Nope
[09:37] <cristiano> ah ok ^^
[09:37] <hugelmopf> whizz-: you could also try "sudo modprobe ov511_decomp" and "sudo modprobe ov518_decomp", although i don't exactly know what they are.
[09:40] <gatekeeper> evening all
[09:42] <Sasuke> ok,i installed adept
[09:42] <ubuntu> hi
[09:42] <Sasuke> but it wont work,it gives me an error
[09:42] <serenity> hi
[09:42] <lopzided> is it possible to edit the bottom part of the kde menu?  as in, the Actions part that includes Run Command, Switch User, etc... ???
[09:42] <Sasuke> Details: Failed to execute child process "kdesu" (No such file or directory)
[09:42] <Sasuke> that is the error i got
[09:43] <_absolution_> how do I set up a printer?
[09:44] <phatechen> can kubuntu`s ircclient konversation usw ASCII signs? dont understand got a german keyboard and i told kubuntu that it is german but some signs do not word (not normal and not by ASCII code)     sign ascii 060 and 062
[09:44] <mossman> What type of printer do you want to set up
[09:44] <gatekeeper> _absolution_: I have already answered that question for you what is the exact problem you are having?
[09:46] <phatechen>  can kubuntu`s ircclient konversation usw ASCII signs? dont understand got a german keyboard and i told kubuntu that it is german but some signs do not word (not normal and not by ASCII code)     sign ascii 060 and 062
[09:46] <phatechen> [21:44]  <mossman> What type of printer do you want to set up
[09:46] <phatechen> can someone answer my question or not?
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> Looks like not
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> !de
[09:47] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> Someone in there may know though
[09:47] <Sasuke> can someone help me with adept?
[09:47] <serenity> Sasuke:  what is ur prob?
[09:48] <lopzided> is it possible to edit the bottom part of the kde menu?  as in, the Actions part that includes Run Command, Switch User, etc... ???
[09:48] <Sasuke> Error
[09:48] <Sasuke> Details: Failed to execute child process "kdesu" (No such file or directory)
[09:48] <Firebird8> wtf
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> .
[09:48] <Firebird8> kde just changed my resolution automacticaly
[09:50] <mossman> absolution: What type of printer?  USB, Network?
[09:50] <serenity> Sasuke: type "kdesu konqueror" in shell
[09:51] <serenity> Sasuke: what happens?
[09:51] <_absolution_> USB
[09:51] <Sasuke> how do i open shell?
[09:51] <mossman> ok.  what model of printer  HP,,Lexmark
[09:51] <_absolution_> it's a DELL
[09:51] <serenity> kde-menu, system, konsole
[09:52] <Sasuke> bash: kdesu: command not found
[09:53] <mossman> a dell.  ummm.  I wonder if it is really a dell, or something else with dell's name on it.  Ok.  Lets try automatic detection.  Go to System Settings in the k-menu
[09:53] <paulvolk> What is a good program for recording Line-In to MP3 files?
[09:53] <serenity> paulvolk: try audacity
[09:53] <paulvolk> ok
[09:54] <paulvolk> thanks
[09:54] <_absolution_> ok
[09:54] <Sasuke> serenity it says this:
[09:54] <mossman> there should be an icon for printers
[09:54] <Sasuke> bash: kdesu: command not found
[09:54] <mossman> click it :)
[09:54] <serenity> Sasuke: wait a moment
[09:54] <Sasuke> ok
[09:55] <_absolution_> I don't see it
[09:56] <mossman> absolution:  Are you using kubuntu?  or a different distro?
[09:57] <Sasuke> serenity,im using unbuntu tho =/
[09:57] <_absolution_> ^^^
[09:57] <_absolution_> Ubuntu
[09:58] <mossman> ok,  do you have kde installed,  or are you using gnome?
[09:58] <Sasuke> mossman who are you talking to me or absolution?
[09:58] <_absolution_> kde
[09:58] <mossman> absolution.
[09:59] <serenity> Sasuke: ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[09:59] <Sasuke> ubuntu
[10:00] <_absolution_> i'm using KDE as a desktop
[10:00] <mossman> ok.  Under kde.  There should be a kcontrol button.  Somewhere under the settings option.  I cant remember where exactly.  But one of the options is printers
[10:00] <serenity> sakuke: type "gksudo nautilus"
[10:00] <mossman> You can launch it from a konsole with the command kcontrol
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> sakuke: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (if you don't already have it and you will get kdesu)
[10:01] <marcus> Is there a way to remove applications and leave the depends in place without removing the depends one by one?
[10:01] <serenity> h3sp4wn: he is using ubuntu
[10:01] <mossman> Absolution.  Why not join me on the channell print for a bit.
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> serenity: Well he should be in #ubuntu then
[10:02] <serenity> h3sp4wn: he is new...forgive him ;)
[10:02] <Sasuke> serenity
[10:03] <Sasuke> it says this
[10:03] <mossman> absolution.  just type forwardslash #print and join me on that channel. Will be much less busy.
[10:03] <Sasuke> (nautilus:6072): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[10:03] <Sasuke> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[10:04] <serenity> sasuke: try #ubuntu instead of #kubuntu
[10:04] <Sasuke> ok
[10:05] <Firebird8> is there a terminal command to change the resolution?
[10:05] <uniq> h3sp4wn: build-essential is on the livecd too.
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> uniq: But not installed ?
[10:06] <uniq> h3sp4wn: correct.
[10:06] <djrama> hello
[10:06] <Firebird8> blah why am i asking here....
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Inside the squashfs or just as deb's ?
[10:06] <uniq> h3sp4wn: as a deb, atleast, didn't check the squashfs.
[10:06] <djrama> have anyone used irda in ubuntu for getting files from a mobile phone?
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> uniq: The installer just copies the squashfs to the disk right ? you even get better compression with squashfs than ar I wonder why they didn't just include it in both
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Not both I mean just in the squash
[10:08] <uniq> h3sp4wn: don't know, but i think it's because it should be optional.
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> uniq: They have plenty more stuff that less people may need
[10:09] <uniq> h3sp4wn: sure, I don't know what's the idea behind the choice.
[10:10] <brandon_> could somebody open a link in konq for me?
[10:10] <RawSewage> what link
[10:10] <brandon_> http://www.kingstoncomputerplanet.com/products/?cid=17&scid=06&pid=170600006
[10:10] <brandon_> now, there should be content relating to a scanner in the middle column
[10:11] <RawSewage> the middle part is higher
[10:11] <whil> uniq: According to an article I was reading choice is one of the strengths of Linux.
[10:11] <RawSewage> there is
[10:11] <RawSewage> do you want a SS
[10:11] <uniq> whil: true. but the defaults should be sensible :)
[10:12] <brandon_> RawSewage: there is content below the scanners&printers graphic?
[10:12] <RawSewage> no
[10:12] <whil> uniq: I agree, but the ability to customize makes standardizing difficult at best.
[10:12] <brandon_> it's just white space?
[10:12] <RawSewage> in the middle , yes
[10:12] <RawSewage> why
[10:12] <brandon_> well then there's nothing wrong with my system i suppose
[10:13] <brandon_> if you open the link in anopther browser, you'll see why
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> whil: Standardisation is a bad thing makes everything look the same
[10:13] <uniq> whil: it's optional to follow standards too, usually :)
[10:13] <RawSewage> I see
[10:14] <RawSewage> brandon_, tell the Konq people
[10:14] <RawSewage> file a bug
[10:14] <brandon_> i suppose i should file it as a kde bug or something
[10:14] <RawSewage> lol
[10:14] <whil> uniq and h3sp4win: I like the customization of Linux, but I am just saying that defaults are difficult to determine in a non standardized enviroment. (Did I say that right?)
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> How do you know the site is just not using standards complient html
[10:14] <RawSewage> it doesnt matter
[10:15] <RawSewage> if other browsers show it, Konq should
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> That is not a bug if its using some bug in ie standards
[10:15] <RawSewage> yes, it's probably bad coding
[10:15] <uniq> whil: i agree.
[10:15] <osiris> yes it does.  why condone/work around bad code.  if they didnt follow standards, its their fault
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> Konq should follow w3c standards
[10:15] <RawSewage> on the HTML part, that is
[10:15] <RawSewage> bad HTML.  but still...
[10:16] <mossman> The only site I use that complains about konq is gmail for some strange reason
[10:16] <RawSewage> You can use GMail.  Just change the broser ID
[10:16] <RawSewage> GMail works fine
[10:16] <osiris> i dont personally see the point of using konq as a web-browser, but thats me
[10:16] <RawSewage> I'll help you fix it if you ever need to
[10:16] <RawSewage> um... because its a great browser?
[10:16] <whil> uniq: So by that logic sensible defaults should go to distro's like Xandros, Linspire and etc that do in fact use a standardized type of enviroment.
[10:17] <osiris> its NOT a great browser.  its a great file manager, that is a decent web browser
[10:17] <Kwukki> i thought http://mail.google.com/?nocheckbrowser
[10:18] <RawSewage> you change the browser ID
[10:18] <RawSewage> it's very simple
[10:18] <RawSewage> you trick GMail
[10:19] <RawSewage> I think the Dapper CD comes with GMail already set to be tricked
[10:19] <RawSewage> so you probably upgraded
[10:19] <RawSewage> instead of fresh Dapper install
[10:22] <sotired> how do i disable the little bouncy icon next to my cursor when i open an app?
[10:22] <Kwukki> andd how can I switch my network interface?
[10:23] <hugelmopf> sotired: it's in system settings - taskbar (i believe that's the english word for "kontrollleiste" (german)
[10:24] <abattoir> sotired: kcontrol->Appearance...->Launch Feedback
[10:25] <mossman> Hi all.  New to debian (kubuntu)  How would one convert a .rpm to deb?  And what is the succes rate of doing so?
[10:25] <abattoir> !info alien
[10:25] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In repository main, is optional. Version 8.64 (dapper), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[10:25] <mossman> alien.. Thanks
[10:26] <LjL> !alien
[10:26] <hugelmopf> mossman: which package is it, are you sure you won't find a deb for it?
[10:26] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[10:26] <mossman> Not sure.  Apparently absolutions dell printer is a rebranded lexmark z600 Lexmark provides driver is rpm.
[10:26] <RawSewage> !rpm
[10:26] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[10:26] <mossman> Darn I miss source
[10:27] <Kwukki_> Can i change my network interface?
[10:27] <hugelmopf> mossman: what do you mean?
[10:27] <RawSewage> oh
[10:27] <Kwukki_> switch*
[10:27] <RawSewage> I thought I did that once
[10:27] <Kwukki_> Hi
[10:28] <Kwukki_> is there a tray program to switch my network interface?
[10:28] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: the easiest way i found is editing /etc/network/interfaces (have a look at "man interfaces"), i don't know if there is a GUI
[10:28] <uniq> kwukki_: what you do mean? change/switch? use another one?
[10:28] <Kwukki_> pfff
[10:28] <Kwukki_> i really need a gui
[10:28] <Kwukki_> that's more aesy
[10:28] <Kwukki_> i can use the internet of the whole street....
[10:28] <mossman> I am aware deb based uses deb.  and redhat created rpm.  The dell printer is in fact a lexmark.  Just sold under the dell name.  I have never bothered with rpm's much before,  And I am new to kubuntu.  I was a slackman since 97...  Just asking about the alien funtion
[10:28] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: have you checked "system settings"?
[10:28] <Kwukki_> 8 connectino savaible!
[10:29] <Kwukki_> Tray?
[10:29] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: ah, you are looking for a wireless switcher?
[10:29] <Kwukki_> nope
[10:29] <Kwukki_> i mena a normal switcher
[10:30] <Kwukki_> knetworkmanager is not good
[10:30] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: have a look at knetworkmanager
[10:30] <Kwukki_> maybe a superkaamba theme?
[10:30] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: then i don't understand what you want.
[10:30] <Kwukki_> srry, i cant' explain it good in English
[10:32] <Kwukki_> hi
[10:32] <Kwukki_> is it posible to use 2 viedeocards?
[10:32] <Kwukki_> ( i want to impress my friends ;-))
[10:33] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: you mean choose which videocard to use? or do you mean one card with to outlets?
[10:33] <mossman> Sorry for the confusion.  Is there a .deb repository such as rpmfind.net?
[10:33] <hugelmopf> *two
[10:33] <Kwukki_> soory, it is something else then the networkcards ;-)
[10:34] <Kwukki_> i've 2 videocards --< 2 monitors
[10:34] <Kwukki_> only 1 is working
[10:34] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: ok. i am not aware of a GUI that will let you enable this.
[10:34] <LjL> mossman: .deb packages that are not made for Ubuntu don't necessarily work in Ubuntu. you might as well install an RPM.
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> mossman: I would avoid trying to use something like that because alot of the deb's will be for debian - or may have not been built properly
[10:35] <Kwukki_> hugelmopf : no, 2 screens with 2 tty's or something
[10:35] <Kwukki_> 2 screens at once
[10:35] <mossman> Ok.  Good advice   .. Thanks Ljl, h3sp4wn
[10:35] <hugelmopf> LjL, mossman: if source packages are offered together with the debs (as requested by GPL), it's easy to recompile the package for ubuntu, even if it was made for debian.
[10:36] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: yes, i understand, but as i said, i am not aware of a gui that can do that. have you tried "system settings" - "display"?
[10:36] <mossman> true.  No source avaible I am afraid.  Dam you Lexmark!  Dam you
[10:36] <Kwukki_> yes, there is only 1 screen visible
[10:37] <Kwukki_> the second viseocard is not installed yet
[10:37] <Kwukki_> don't know how ;'(
[10:38] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: have you googled yet?
[10:38] <DaSkreech> What would be a good LiveCD to use to scan a hard drive?
[10:40] <hugelmopf> Kwukki_: there is a howto for that, but there is no GUI. you will have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually.
[10:40] <KillerGeek> I've been tinkering with various distros looking for a decent one for a n00b, so I've tried UBUNTU and KUBUNTU of the current and two prior versions. I've got a problem, other distros will play my mp3 files off my Windows server but KUBUNTU and UBUNTU won't. Why?
[10:41] <KillerGeek> If I copy them to the local PC hard drive, they play fine.
[10:41] <KillerGeek> They refuse to play from the network share.
[10:41] <KillerGeek> I've tried different players also.
[10:42] <whil> killergeek: Have you tried Vlc?
[10:42] <KillerGeek> I booted with a Kororra LiveCD and it plays the mp3s fine across the network using XMMS.
[10:42] <Tommy2k4> how do i check outhow much free space i got on my partitions
[10:42] <hugelmopf> Tommy2k4: on the commandline use "df"
[10:42] <RawSewage> K/Ubuntu wont play mp3 out of the box
[10:42] <KillerGeek> Sure it does.
[10:42] <RawSewage> because it's not propietary
[10:42] <KillerGeek> I copy the mp3s to the local hard drive and they play fine.
[10:43] <KillerGeek> The only place they on't play is off the network share.
[10:43] <Tommy2k4> ty
[10:43] <KillerGeek> I can listen to streaming audio and play them from the local drive.
[10:43] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: which application are you trying to open them with?
[10:43] <RawSewage> ok, I guess I dont know what youre doing then
[10:43] <KillerGeek> I have a Windows 2000 server with a 372GB RAID 5 array that I have ripped all of my CDs to.
[10:43] <larson9999> holy smokes! finally got gnucash 2.0 installed
[10:44] <KillerGeek> I want to simply connect to the share and play the mp3s.
[10:44] <mossman> Sorry to interupt, just so I have this right.  would it be alien -i file.rpm
[10:44] <KillerGeek> They don't play from the share.
[10:44] <RawSewage> I started installing GNUCash, then I remembered I didnt have any money, so I aborted
[10:44] <KillerGeek> But if I copy them to the local hard drive, they play fine.
[10:44] <larson9999> lol
[10:44] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: yes, i understand. but what do you mean by "they don't play from the share", i.e. what are you doing, what is the result, and what is the expected result?
[10:45] <KillerGeek> The filename shows up in the player and it doesn't play.
[10:45] <KillerGeek> That's the only result.
[10:45] <hugelmopf> mossman: no, alien is not for installing, but for converting rpm's to deb's
[10:45] <KillerGeek> The expected result is for music to come out of my speakers.
[10:45] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: which player?
[10:45] <RawSewage> thats because you dont have libxine-extracodecs installed
[10:45] <hugelmopf> RawSewage: he says that the file plays fine, so what are you after?
[10:45] <mossman> ok.  may I trouble you for the proper command to convert the archive
[10:46] <KillerGeek> Well, whatever KUBUNTU Dapper had as default first.
[10:46] <RawSewage> mp3 doesnt play out of the box in K/Ubuntu
[10:46] <KillerGeek> Then I installed xmms and it too will play from the local drive but not from the network share.
[10:46] <hugelmopf> RawSewage: but if the file plays from his local drive, it's obviously not about codecs, right?
[10:46] <KillerGeek> You're not listening.
[10:46] <insanekane> KillerGeek: noone does :/
[10:46] <KillerGeek> If I copy the files to the local PC hard drive, they play fine.
[10:47] <KillerGeek> If I simply select them to play from the network share, the filename shows up on the player and it doesn't play.
[10:47] <KillerGeek> I can also listen to streaming audio.
[10:47] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: you don't remember, which player that was?
[10:47] <KillerGeek> xmms
[10:47] <KillerGeek> And whatever v6 comes with.
[10:47] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: ah, ok, then i understand
[10:47] <KillerGeek> Whatever the KDE default is.
[10:48] <KillerGeek> I first tried witht he players installed by default then I installed xmms.
[10:48] <KillerGeek> You know, sudo apt-get install xmms...
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> xmms is old and buggy
[10:48] <KillerGeek> I like xmms.
[10:48] <osiris> works fine here
[10:48] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: hmmm, the KDE default players should be able to cope with "smb:/" files, while xmms won't
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> There is a gtk2 version of xmms
[10:48] <RawSewage> XMMS probably uses gstream
[10:48] <RawSewage> while thedefault uses XINE
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> (can't rember its name)
[10:49] <KillerGeek> Odd, because from Korroa LiveCD, xmms plays fine from smb:/
[10:49] <RawSewage> amarok is the default in Kubuntu
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> KillerGeek: Why just not install Korrora ?
[10:49] <KillerGeek> That's it, amarok, it crashed actually.
[10:49] <KillerGeek> Because I'm a n00b.
[10:49] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: are you sure that you are talking about the "smb:/" KIO-slave that you reach when typing "smb:/" in konqueror? or how do you access the windows share?
[10:49] <RawSewage> you need to install libxine-extracodecs
[10:49] <ChunLaptop> hey anyone here ever have a phone interview for a sys admin job?
[10:49] <KillerGeek> I browse to the share.
[10:49] <KillerGeek> I'm a Windows person.
[10:50] <goemon4> Hey all, i need some help with the KDE Menu Editor, cause it keeps freezing when ever i try to save it... how can i fix it?
[10:50] <KillerGeek> You know, GUI, click, connect to other places, smb shares, my domain, the share, give it my U/P, and there's my files.
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> ChunLaptop: Yes and they payed for me to travel to them (first class) for the next one
[10:51] <hugelmopf> KillerGeek: i understand. let me try the same, just a second.
[10:51] <RawSewage> amarok is good, btw
[10:51] <KillerGeek> I didn't have this issue with Suse 9, RH9, Shal 9, or Mandrake 9...
[10:51] <ChunLaptop> h3sp4wn, awesome, i just had a call from google for linux admin, i gotta call em back but I'm trying to brush up on everything before i call =p
[10:51] <KillerGeek> Er, Slack 9.
[10:52] <KillerGeek> It's been a while since I've played and I wanted to know what the dealio with UBUNTU was.
[10:52] <KillerGeek> Seems it all overrated.
[10:52] <KillerGeek> I'll find another distro.
[10:52] <KillerGeek> Thanks for nothing.
[10:52] <hugelmopf> nice attitude.
[10:52] <ChunLaptop> what kinda things do they usu ask? ><
[10:52] <RawSewage> lol
[10:52] <whil> He has a healthy perspective
[10:53] <hugelmopf> he is right though, as amarok crashes when opening a file from smb:/ shares, as i just experienced :(
[10:53] <whil> Interesting...
[10:53] <hugelmopf> same for kaffeine
[10:53] <goemon4> Hey all, i need some help with the KDE Menu Editor, cause it keeps freezing when ever i try to save it... how can i fix it? (sry im in a hurry, could someone please offer some suggestion that might help??)
[10:53] <RawSewage> I'll try
[10:53] <whil> Could there be a file missing somewhere>
[10:53] <Murfy^_> !xlibs
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about xlibs
[10:54] <Murfy^_> what a shame :p
[10:54] <h3sp4wn> ChunLaptop: Loads of stuff but they were more interesting what I thought I could do than what I actuallu could at that time
[10:55] <RawSewage> Yes, it crashes amarok 1.41
[10:55] <RawSewage> I mean 1.4.0
[10:55] <whil> I still wonder if there is a file missing
[10:56] <ninHer> hola a tod@s
[10:56] <hugelmopf> RawSewage: i also tried 1.4.1, crashes
[10:56] <hugelmopf> i'm checking bugs.kde.org for existing bug reports
[10:56] <abattoir> apart from adept, what other package management tool can I use in kubuntu (GUI) ?
[10:56] <RawSewage> synaptic
[10:56] <ninHer> kpackage, for instance
[10:57] <abattoir> i dont like the adept interface... :(
[10:57] <ChunLaptop> k3sp4n, thanks makes me feel a lil bit~ better
[10:57] <Murfy^_> adept is slow :(
[10:57] <whil> synaptic rules
[10:57] <pygi> whil, synaptic is gtk
[10:57] <abattoir> RawSewage, ninHer does synaptic/kpackage categorise the packages?
[10:58] <dark_> Quick question
[10:58] <dark_> How do I install a PERL program?
[10:58] <pygi> abattoir, synaptic does, but it's gtk
[10:58] <abattoir> like aptitude? I'm installing those btw
[10:58] <ninHer> i think so, but i'm using adept
[10:58] <LjL> everybody has been advising against kpackage for ages. i don't know how deserved that advice is, but still, for the record.
[10:58] <abattoir> pygi: oh ok, so there is no qt version of synaptic?
[10:58] <pygi> abattoir, Ksynaptic
[10:59] <FisherP> Can the konqueror apt slave install packages ??
[10:59] <abattoir> dark_: perl programs are scripts which should be executed
[10:59] <LjL> FisherP: not that i know
[10:59] <LjL> pygi: i think it's called kynaptic
[10:59] <pygi> LjL, right, right ^_^
[10:59] <abattoir> adept just keeps hanging and hogging my cpu :(
[11:00] <dark_> I have the VMWaretools in perl
[11:00] <dark_> It's install.pl
[11:00] <dark_> How do I install them?
[11:00] <whil> never liked adept myself
[11:00] <LjL> dark_: perl install.pl
[11:00] <dark_> Thanks
[11:01] <FisherP> abattoir What's the cpu, maybe CLI might be better 4 U  , I don't have an issue with adept, fast enough for me
[11:01] <whil> I havent been able to get vmware to install properly. :(
[11:01] <abattoir> FisherP: AMD Turion ML-30
[11:01] <dark_> Hey uh
[11:01] <dark_> I'm missing make
[11:01] <dark_> What was the apt-get
[11:01] <dark_> sudo apt-get install dev-tools?
[11:01] <pygi> abattoir, brbr
[11:01] <pygi> brb*
[11:02] <FisherP> abattoir, so are u on a laptop ?
[11:02] <abattoir> FisherP: yes
[11:03] <LjL> dark_: sudo aptitude install build-essential i think you mean
[11:03] <dark_> Thanks Ljl
[11:03] <RawSewage> that was a nasty crash
[11:03] <RawSewage> I had to manually shut off my computer
[11:04] <whil> Ouch
[11:04] <RawSewage> from that stupid audo smb// thing
[11:04] <RawSewage> audio
[11:04] <RawSewage> computer wasnt executing my repeated  ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:05] <RawSewage> CPU was probably running at 88888888888
[11:05] <whil> I think it would be easier just to copy it and then play it
[11:05] <RawSewage> I dont need to do that.  I was just testing it for that person
[11:05] <RawSewage> who left rudely
[11:05] <whil> Yes he did
[11:05] <FisherP> abattoir, I run a AMD64 3000+ desktop. I dunno what everyone else thinks but try the other GUI packages they might be quicker on your machine, but I doubt it have you tried aptitude, it's a CML but it's aparenltly more user friendly, with menus etc. I haven't tried it so I don't know
[11:06] <RawSewage> what happens when a runaway app eats up all your CPU.  whats the best way to escape it?
[11:06] <osiris> i use linneighborhood to mount my smb shares, and have no trouble playing music from it
[11:06] <abattoir> FisherP: yes, i have tried it, and i like it, wish adept was like it :)
[11:06] <RawSewage> you can use Synaptic, you know
[11:06] <whil> osiris: That's a good idea
[11:06] <abattoir> FisherP: it seems more organised, and less intimidating
[11:07] <abattoir> RawSewage: i'm going to try that and Kynaptic
[11:08] <FisherP> abattoir, why not, that's what linux is about..choice. Got to go. If anyone can help me with getting an mpeg slideshow I would appreciate it.
[11:08] <abattoir> thanks guys for your advice :)
[11:12] <RawSewage> why
[11:12] <whil> (Crickets chirping in background)
[11:13] <teknoprep> ?
[11:13] <teknoprep> hmmm
[11:13] <usp8riot> TheHighChild: hey THC, you there?
[11:14] <hugelmopf> just for information about the above: there are various bugs about "amarok + smb:/ files" on bugs.kde.org: 120120, 128753, 114231
[11:14] <whil> Ty huge
[11:14] <wilfredH> anyone tell me how on earth I get kopete to talk to irc?
[11:15] <whil> wilfred: Did you select irc as the protocol?
[11:15] <teknoprep> hmmm
[11:15] <teknoprep> is linux just getting really fast as a desktop os or what?
[11:15] <wilfredH> yup, just doesn't seem to do anything after I added irc to the accounts
[11:15] <teknoprep> i remember when it was slow as shit
[11:15] <teknoprep> well fast with features
[11:15] <teknoprep> blackbox has always been fast
[11:16] <usp8riot> i think windows seems faster than linux
[11:16] <teknoprep> not anymore
[11:16] <usp8riot> maybe i don't have good drivers or something
[11:16] <teknoprep> my laptop is running extremely fast right now
[11:16] <teknoprep> plus i have hardware mixing with this sound card
[11:16] <teknoprep> so i am mad happy
[11:16] <teknoprep> i used to hate dmix
[11:16] <whil> wilfred: Did you set the account properties correctly?
[11:17] <teknoprep> even with hardware shadows and transparencies
[11:17] <teknoprep> i find this is wayyyy faster then windows xp
[11:17] <teknoprep> hey does anyone have a copy of cadega?
[11:17] <usp8riot> does anyone know where the kernel source is stored on the drive when it's dl'ed with apt-get?
[11:18] <uniq> teknoprep: we don't support warez here. to to transgaming.com and get instructions on how to get it :)
[11:18] <uniq> to to/go to
[11:19] <gatekeeper> usp8riot: have a look in /usr/src
[11:20] <whil> wilfred: Kopote seems to work just fine for me connecting to freenode.
[11:20] <usp8riot> ok, thanks
[11:20] <Wilfred> fantastic it works!
[11:20] <whil> :)
[11:20] <Wilfred> just slow to connect ~5 mins
[11:20] <usp8riot> anything i should know before i compile the source besides don't screw up?
[11:20] <ocjeunesse> salut
[11:22] <free-son-S> join #ngcsa
[11:22] <gatekeeper> usp8riot: only ever done it once and it seemed straight forward, I think the location I gave is correct but you would have to look to make sure
[11:22] <gatekeeper> ocjeunesse: salut
[11:22] <usp8riot> gatekeeper: yes, it's correct, i found it
[11:22] <free-son-S> salut
[11:22] <free-son-S> ^^
[11:23] <gatekeeper> usp8riot: my memory still work then :-)
[11:23] <grizzly> Anybody who is able to eject cds without having to unmount them first?
[11:23] <ocjeunesse> francais
[11:23] <usp8riot> i forgot the command to untar a file, what is it?
[11:24] <whil> -xvf i think
[11:24] <grizzly> !tar
[11:24] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[11:24] <Archie_Tooth> tar -xf if you don't want verbosity
[11:24] <uniq> ubotu: tar -zxvf for .tar.gz, -jxvf for .tar.bz2
[11:24] <ubotu> I know nothing about tar -zxvf for .tar.gz, -jxvf for .tar.bz2
[11:24] <uniq> ehm.. that was for usp8riot
[11:24] <free-son-S> as anyone tried to compile his own ipcop with cvs?
[11:24] <usp8riot> thanks
[11:24] <uniq> usp8riot: tar -zxvf for .tar.gz, -jxvf for .tar.bz2 tar -xvf for .tar
[11:26] <gatekeeper> usp8riot: just for info there are HowTo's for kernel compiles in the ubuntu forums
[11:26] <usp8riot> yeah, i will get stuck somewhere so i was planning on it
[11:26] <stanks> hello
[11:27] <usp8riot> tar =zxvf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz - it says invalid option
[11:27] <gatekeeper> hello
[11:27] <stanks> i have problem with kde
[11:27] <whil> Hi stanks
[11:27] <stanks> i upgraded packages and after upgrading everything from panel vanished
[11:27] <stanks> clock, start menu...everything
[11:27] <stanks> i have only panel
[11:27] <whil> Ouch
[11:28] <stanks> where this stuff vanished, why, and how to bring this back
[11:28] <whil> I hear there are a lot of problems with upgrading but can not be any help with this. Sorry.
[11:28] <Archie_Tooth> tar - (not =) I guess that was a typo.
[11:28] <stanks> well i notice few problem with running programs
[11:28] <usp8riot> ok, got the kernel source uncompressing but it's giving a bunch of 'no file or directory' errors
[11:28] <usp8riot> guess i need to run as root
[11:29] <stanks> almost every time i have to run it twice so it can appear on my screen
[11:29] <whil> stanks: I think a fresh install is a better choice anyway IMHO
[11:29] <stanks> e.g. now ktorrent won't run at all
[11:29] <stanks> i did fresh install todayyyyyyyyyyyyyy :)
[11:29] <whil> Hmmmm.....
[11:30] <stanks> will i install twice a day and then loose complete day for configuring this?
[11:30] <whil> I see. Not exactly encouraging.
[11:31] <stanks> no it is not. i thing that i will install orig. debian tomorrow
[11:31] <stanks> i don't have no time no will for f..... with this
[11:31] <whil> stanks: If the problem is KDE related you may see it again.
[11:31] <Sunnyblizard> !amp
[11:31] <ubotu> I know nothing about amp
[11:31] <Sunnyblizard> !lamp
[11:31] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[11:32] <stanks> i see this problem every time i run kde
[11:32] <stanks> when i reboot....same problem
[11:32] <whil> Maybe KDE doesn't like your display?
[11:32] <stanks> lol
[11:32] <stanks> haha
[11:32] <Firebird8> is it possible to install 2 desktop enviorments and switch between them at the session selector?
[11:32] <whil> firebird8 yes.
[11:32] <stanks> yes but it like it before i upgrade :)
[11:33] <whil> stanks: Dapper is known for having a lot of bugs.
[11:33] <stanks> ok
[11:33] <stanks> a question
[11:33] <whil> Okay.
[11:34] <gatekeeper> stanks: doing a bit of googling the suggestion seems to be bring up kpanel from the consol
[11:34] <stanks> does anybody know what distribution that has less bugs
[11:34] <RawSewage> Dapper has lots of bugs?
[11:34] <whil> hehehe
[11:34] <whil> That's the word.
[11:34] <whil> I personally found 5.10 to be relatively stable stanks,
[11:35] <stanks> this means what? i will not install it every day? :)
[11:36] <whil> Of course I use 6.06 now and have very few issues. I might just be lucky.
[11:36] <whil> Stanks: When I ran 5.10 I had to install it ONCE. That is it.
[11:36] <RawSewage> are the bugs from upgrades, or fresh installs
[11:36] <RawSewage> I did a fresh install of Dapper
[11:36] <whil> Raw Sewage: Upgrades mostly.
[11:37] <whil> Stanks: I had changed almost everything in 5.10 and it still ran just fine.
[11:37] <whil> Stanks: Never had to reinstall it or anything close to that.
[11:39] <teknoprep> what is that initial kde program that runs to configure your settings?
[11:39] <teknoprep> what is it called
[11:40] <LjL> teknoprep: kpersonalizer, but it's not normally used by kubuntu
[11:40] <stanks> brb
[11:41] <intelikey> anyone recall off the tho of your head what 'grub error 21'  is ?    i know i can't use grub anyway  but what error 21 is, probably isn't related.
[11:41] <intelikey> ?
[11:41] <teknoprep> yes i want to have to double click stuff to open it
[11:42] <teknoprep> not single click
[11:42] <jron> where can i view unstable builds of apps? i want the newest version of monodevelop but i can't seem to figure out if it is even in the repositoy... same with rtorrent
[11:42] <uniq> intelikey: selected disk does not exist. (from 'info grub')
[11:42] <Cntryboy> Does anyone know how to configure showfoto to view pictures thats huge in resolution to a size that I can see the whole pics.. It's annoying to have to zoom out of every digi photo I have
[11:43] <gatekeeper> intelikey: nope but uncle google says: http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-support/2005-March/026476.html
[11:43] <LjL> !backports
[11:43] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:43] <LjL> Cntryboy: so have you settled on showfoto?
[11:43] <intelikey> yeah thanks.  thats not the problem.  but that explains the error message.
[11:43] <whil> cntryboy: is there an option under view?
[11:44] <LjL> Cntryboy: hm for me showfoto shows the pictures resized to window size, by default
[11:44] <uniq> cntryboy: it does that automatically here.. don't know if i've changed some setting sometime though..
[11:44] <LjL> Cntryboy: it's the fourth icon from the right (on the toolbar) that toggles that behavior
[11:44] <intelikey> i'll restore the mbr on hda  and use lilo to boot sda   and all should work.
[11:45] <gatekeeper> intelikey: good luck :-)
[11:46] <intelikey> why did they choose to not make an install cd ?    only live CD's for installing is  way to window'ish for me.
[11:46] <Cntryboy> ljl: yes
[11:46] <ubuntu> Hola
[11:46] <bleaked> will the helix-engine be a possiblity for amarok on kubuntu any time in the near future?  it's features far outweigh the xine-engine.. and yes i know one can compile, but i generally prefer not to.
[11:46] <Cntryboy> ljl: k thx let me c
[11:46] <ubuntu> Kubuntu r00lz >(
[11:47] <LjL> intelikey: sorry? windows does *not* have a live cd for installing :o)
[11:47] <bleaked> ubuntu: buenos dias
[11:47] <ubuntu> bleaked hola
[11:47] <LjL> intelikey: (and there's the Alternate CD anyway in case you missed it)
[11:47] <LjL> !es
[11:47] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:47] <Cntryboy> LJL: thx zoom autofit :)
[11:47] <ubuntu> a ver
[11:47] <usp8riot> obuto, you're one smart cat
[11:47] <ubuntu> como configuro el espanol jeje
[11:47] <ubuntu> >P
[11:47] <LjL> ubuntu: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:48] <ubuntu> ok
[11:48] <ubuntu> gracias LjL
[11:48] <LjL> de na
[11:48] <intelikey> LjL i ordered kubuntu install cd and got the live CD   ???    did i miss something ?     you know dialup users can't go downloading iso's at random looking for the right one...
[11:48] <ubuntu> LjL eres de espania
[11:49] <uniq> intelikey: the livecd is also a install cd. You can install from the livecd now :)
[11:49] <LjL> intelikey: well, yeah, the *default* way to install Ubuntu is by using the Desktop CD. i don't see anything wrong with that, and i don't see why it would be "Windows-ish". I was just pointing out there is the Alternate CD if you really don't like that.
[11:49] <LjL> ubuntu: no soy de italia
[11:49] <Cntryboy> ljl: gotta go thx again bro
[11:49] <Cntryboy> estoy de usa amigo
[11:49] <Cntryboy> haha
[11:49] <Cntryboy> jk tc
[11:49] <usp8riot> on the kubuntu site it says the alt. cd is for pc's with less than 256mb's. will the live cd also work good on an old pc like that?
[11:49] <LjL> Cntryboy: see you :)
[11:49] <ubuntu> jaja
[11:49] <Cntryboy> bye
[11:50] <LjL> usp8riot: no, not really... not if it has less than about 192 megs
[11:51] <gatekeeper> usp8riot: I have installed breezy and upgraded to dapper via update-manager on a P3 with 128 Mb RAM
[11:51] <LjL> but then the distribution itself won't run very well in that case
[11:51] <usp8riot> i guess it's all in the kernel, right? if i want to install on one of my old pc's
[11:52] <jron> question, to installed backports from the debian repo, it says i must issue the dep http:// blahblah.... should i install gdebi first to issue that command because atm, it does nothing :P
[11:52] <gatekeeper> jron: what package are you after?
[11:52] <scabootssca> anyone know how to get a sb audigy2 zs working on kubuntu?
[11:53] <intelikey> LjL it doesn't allow any installation options, (or at most extreemly few) and is legacy hardware intallerant, i.e. 256M ram just to boot... won't install without formating a partition. and other things that i could do with the hoary install cd.      was just wondering why they shipped the live-CD as the default installer, that's all.
[11:53] <jron> the newest monodevelop, and a version of rtorrent that doesnt such, gatekeeper
[11:53] <jron> im new from gentoo, so not really use to how the deb repo is maintained... but everyone in the normal repo is way too old for me =(
[11:56] <gatekeeper> jron: ok, not sure what using the debian repos would do, I think there are some differences between the two but don't know enough to help you sorry :-(
[11:56] <LjL> intelikey: ok, i have some issues with the Ubiquity installer too, i think they released it a little too soon. but it just needs to be made better
[11:57] <teknoprep> YAY
[11:57] <teknoprep> i got cadega... my stupid account with them still works
[11:57] <svivian> Need assistance with rdesktop and nvidia video
[11:57] <jron> gatekeeper: i was pretty sure most all the ubuntu repos were almost mirror images of the debian repos.
[11:57] <LjL> intelikey: as for failing on older hardware, well... i'm afraid that's not much of a priority, like it or not :(
[11:57] <LjL> jron: not really, no
[11:57] <LjL> !debian
[11:57] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded". To see more details on the relationship, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[11:57] <LjL> generally Debian packages aren't compatible with Ubuntu
[11:58] <teknoprep> hmmm
[11:58] <jron> ah, k
[11:58] <grizzly> ejecting cds without having to unmount them first? anybody??
[11:58] <intelikey> LjL as for the reason i used the phrase window'ish  was a referance to the attitude of the installer. "i'm going to install what i want to install where i want to install it, without asking the owner any questions"    the more 'automated' it bevomes the more window'ish,  and the less *nix.   imo
[11:58] <gatekeeper> jron: you may well be right, so far my technical knowledge doesn't extend that far
[11:58] <teknoprep> use openbsd for a server
[11:58] <teknoprep> end of story
[11:59] <jron> blah, i can't even see what version of monodevelop is in the repo through adept's installer =(
[11:59] <gatekeeper> I had a feeling that might be the case
[11:59] <gatekeeper> jron: use synaptic
[11:59] <whil> i like synaptic even if it is gtk
[11:59] <bluesceada> grizzly: use "ivman"
[11:59] <gatekeeper> jron: if you are using firefox there is a package search engine included
[12:00] <bluesceada> grizzly: it will then unmount when you press the button
[12:00] <jron> gatekeeper: k
[12:00] <RawSewage> how do you make a quick shell script to put in the StartUp folder to run a program at startup
[12:00] <bluesceada> and eject..
[12:00] <LjL> jron, gatekeeper: or you can just type "apt:/" anywhere KDE accepts an URL (e.g. Konqueror) ;-)
[12:00] <intelikey> well i have moved my fresh install of kubuntu from /dev/hdc1 to /dev/hdb so i need to reboot and see how it runs.    peace all
[12:00] <bluesceada> now i have to go though .. good night
[12:01] <gatekeeper> jron: cool thanx :-)
[12:01] <jron> ahh, nice feature LjL
[12:02] <gatekeeper> I like that
[12:03] <gatekeeper> LjL: thanx for the info :-)
[12:03] <usp8riot> i'm using make xconfig. does anyone know how to use the module? i type m but nothing's changing
[12:03] <intelikey> i left permaturely.  not finished moving files...
[12:05] <haary> Does anyone know a good ekiga (aka gnome-meeting) alternative? I don't want to install the gnome-stuff
[12:05] <angasule> is it ok to edit /etc/environment directly? I want to change LANG and LANGUAGE as well as add QT_IM_MODULE and GTK_IM_MODULE (so that scim works directly)
[12:06] <intelikey> angasule sure it is.
[12:07] <angasule> okie dokie, it'd be nice to know *why* it was set to en_AU to start with, but hopefully this will get rid of that oddity
[12:08] <iain_> after I manually installed the latest ATI drivers, my login screen is shrunk with lots of dead black room around the edges. To I need to reconfigure xorg?