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nickm1hello is there someone i could talk to? my name is Nick McMahon from the ubuntu marketing team12:18
nickm1i'm looking to find an ubuntu color chart12:21
nickm1well, colour chart :)12:37
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newz2000I'd love to see ken's concepts, but bootsplash.org won't resolve for me. Not even if I use the coral cache. :-(04:20
newz2000oh, got it. Man that looks sharp.04:23
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newz2000klepas: got a moment?04:28
klepassure, what's up?04:29
newz2000I'm going to be restructing the server that hosts art.ubuntu.com04:29
newz2000Do you have any special config there that you want preserved?04:30
klepassorry, i didn't not create or help set it up04:31
klepashenrik would be the person to consult in that regard04:31
newz2000sorry for the delay, got caught up in a big dns question04:43
newz2000klepas: Yeah, everyone says that server can be nuked, I just knew that you've put some effort into it and I wouldn't want you to loose anything04:44
klepasi haven't really done anything other than add submitted content04:45
newz2000ok. I'm not going to delete that content, just move it around04:45
klepasso basically i had admin rights and used them to approve submissions04:45
klepasgood :)04:45
klepaswhat is your plan for the system?04:45
newz2000We're going to set it up for shared hosting so the loco teams can have free web space.04:45
newz2000ubuntu-au.org and etc.04:46
newz2000That server is way underutilized and there are a lot of people wanting hosting04:46
klepas:)04:46
klepasno i mean in regards to artwork...?04:46
newz2000Are you asking what artwork I'm going to make, or what I'm going to do with the existing artwork?04:47
klepaswell the system supporting the existing artwork04:48
newz2000Hopefully I wont' change anything except the location of the files on the disk.04:48
newz2000If we want to open it back up, that's fine. If we want to kill it, that's fine too.04:48
klepaswell make sure we have a backup of it all04:49
newz2000You bet.04:49
newz2000I ran webalizer on the log files for that site... it gets a remarkably number of hits04:49
newz2000In June it got over 5,000 page views and > 300,000 hits PER DAY04:50
newz2000Sorry, that's 30,000 hits, not 300,000.04:51
klepasthat is a fairly large amount04:55
klepasindicates the site needs to be looking polished and has to be accessable to it's users04:55
klepasbecause that number of visitors would include a lot of disheartened people04:55
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newz2000anyone feeling resourceful with icons?06:11
newz2000I'm doing the bzr website and wanted three icons. I've found two great ones in tango-scalable, a third is OK but not quite right06:12
newz2000I need a book, and stock_new-address-book.svg is close, but its the wrong perspective06:13
newz2000It's laying down and it would look better standing up06:13
newz2000My attempts look like a rectangle06:13
newz2000oh wait, I found the dictionary icon, it will work just fine06:13
klepashehe :)06:33
newz2000know of a way to do something like "outer glow" in inkscape?06:37
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klepas_Zzzselect the largest background object, duplicate it, move it to the bottom, press ctrl + shift and use your mouse to pull the objects arrows to make it large06:39
klepas_Zzzand now change the fill to whatever you need to acheive the right colour for a glow :)06:39
klepas_Zzzplay around with the transparency/opacity, gradients and so forth06:39
klepas_Zzzthat's it for me, 'night06:40
newz2000thanks, I'll try it06:40
newz2000night06:40
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troy_shi sara_07:40
sara_hey troy07:41
sara_I am wondering how would a project go about getting help fromt he art team07:42
troy_sthe mailing list is sort of our main avenue07:42
troy_sfor discussion currently07:42
troy_sand we try to use the spec procedure at launchpad.07:42
sara_but Ineed to join that right07:42
sara_spc procedure?07:43
troy_sthe mailing list is probably your best starting point...07:43
troy_swhat in particular do you need?07:44
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troy_sif you could wiki the needs, it is possible that you MIGHT get someone who can help.07:44
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troy_shi dinda.07:44
dindahi Troy_s et al07:44
sara_We are working on an ubuntu magazine, and we are getting to the point where we might need some art work and maybe some help07:44
sara_Yeah we have a wiki and are restructuring so that we have a art work page and we are going to have a list of thing to do soon07:45
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troy_swell it might be useful to get in touch with the mailing list.  unfortunately it still has some unfortunate bad habits on it, but it is evolving into a more professional direciton.07:46
sara_ok so as soona s we have something up I guess I'll make apost07:47
troy_sthat would be great07:47
troy_swe have some sample specs there07:47
troy_sif you could at least wiki the needs, and be clear and specific, perhaps offering some samples07:47
troy_sor something07:47
troy_sit would greatly aid the folks who need to see that sort of thing :)07:47
troy_sphoto based items i know i can knock off relatively quickly for you07:48
troy_sillustration will take longer.07:48
troy_sand i don't know how many on the team are adept illustrators.07:48
sara_ok, I'll work on it and hopefully have a nice list up07:48
dindasara_, the marketing team still seems unclear on how to use the Spec/wiki/Launchpad for developing/tracking things07:48
dindaI keep meaning to try to post to the mailing list some of the process I observed but have been busy07:49
troy_sdinda:  how do you know that?07:49
troy_sahh.07:49
sara_yeah, I am sorry to say I am in part at fault for that at least for my part07:49
troy_syes the spec system is terrific07:49
dindafrom the mailing list and from being in paris07:49
troy_sfor quick and easy references07:49
troy_sdinda,  you were in paris?  *embarassed*07:49
dindalol - yeah and you were extremely jetlagged  ;)07:50
dindaas I recall :)07:50
troy_sLOL07:50
troy_sindeed.07:50
sara_didnda you should probably post, since I know I am doing things wring, but really don't know how to do them right07:50
troy_scrappers... didn't realize that was you.07:51
troy_ssara_, the more folks who get up to speed on launchpad etc07:51
troy_sthe more can spread the knowledge.07:51
dindaalot of good work happened there and I hope the marketing team can learn from the artwork group's development07:51
sara_I'll take a look at the marketing team work and see what we can learn from it07:52
dindathere are lots of very enthusiastic folks in the marketing group but I'd hate to see duplication of effort avoided if possible07:52
sara_yeah, I know what you mean I have 3 similar proposals on my mailbox that would of done with collaboartion07:53
troy_sthat's why specs are wonderful07:54
troy_syou can easily cite a link07:54
troy_swith full design needs07:54
troy_swithout typing 'we have been over this a 1000000 times, so here is a copy of the text...'07:54
troy_slaf.07:54
sara_I just took a look at you specs on launchpad and I am certain that our projects would greatly benefit from them07:56
dindaexactly, here's the project spec, everyone can throw darts at it, and it can move forward07:56
troy_sthe idea behind the specs is to get them started in x cycle07:57
troy_sget them fleshed out while everyone does their official work for x cycle07:57
troy_sand have them ready for attacking in x+107:57
sara_great, I'll keep on looking and maybe I'll pick some examples so that we can get started07:59
troy_sthose specs07:59
troy_sare based on martin pitt's very good samples08:00
troy_sso they aren't out of tangent.08:00
troy_smartin works with the dev team and has a couple of exemplary specifications on launchpad.08:00
sara_uhh. I came here looking for art help and I am getting help on managing the project. Thanks08:00
troy_sso i borrowed his outline08:00
troy_swell you can't really build a house without a blueprint08:00
sara_exactly. I just realized that I am missing ameeting on the marketing channel, so I got to go08:01
dindawas that now?08:01
sara_no wrong time08:02
sara_ooops. I got the tabas messes up08:02
sara_the mmeting is the 13th08:02
dindatroy_s; development seems to be moving well for the artwork team this cycle08:03
troy_sdinda, plodding like a beast of burden08:03
troy_shopefully people who can work within a professional structure will continue to appear as they have been.08:03
dindait was great to see Ken W get picked up for the kubuntu stuff - his work is great08:04
troy_seventually, when we hit critical mass and things start to run themselves, i will attempt to bring in some very gifted folks.08:04
troy_syes... he needs to get some outlines and such in place...08:04
troy_swhich is why i was all for getting some textural references in place for ubuntu.08:04
troy_sit is hard to hit a moving target.08:04
troy_sright now, kubuntu is too hodgey podgy too.08:04
troy_sbut again, that will evolve hopefully.08:05
dindadefinitely08:05
dindait's all really a much larger project than most realize08:05
troy_syes... i think the open source art community hasn't really hit the professional level that it needs to08:06
troy_sand it is largely because everyone fritters away doing their own thing...08:06
troy_swhich doesn't see the 'forest through the trees'08:06
troy_show's texas?  hot?08:06
troy_syou are in texas aren't you?08:06
dindahotter than hades with mosquitoes to boot08:06
dindayip, Galveston, near Houston08:07
troy_smosquitoes are great if you are a bat08:07
dindayeah we saw about two million of them last week in Austin - great - no bugs by them08:07
dindaI'm hoping that the artwork model will help with marketing and then eventually my area - training08:08
troy_sofficial ubuntu training?08:08
dindayip08:08
troy_swow08:09
troy_sare you a canonical employee as of now>08:09
dindatraining is always the last thing08:09
dindanope. . . someday I wish  ;)08:09
troy_severything is the last thing until people see a 'critical mass' point... then everyone wants to help.08:09
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dindaexactly, once the product is built and finally adopted then someone will realize we might need to actually offer training to larger installs - like the 40k install shown in paris08:10
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:troy_s] : Welcome! -+- Start here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork -+- Work Specs at http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs -+- Loose proposals for the Proposal phase are underway.
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dindabut I'm going to start the ball rolling and work on some specs and wiki pages - there's already alot in place that can hep08:12
dindahelp08:12
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dindagotta run off for awhile - nice chatting with you all08:23
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newz2000Fill in the blank:08:32
newz2000The Ubuntu Artwork team exist to _______.08:32
troy_seek08:33
troy_slook to mark's quotations as a good starting point.08:33
newz2000good idea08:33
troy_si believe the team exists to manage the aesthetic development of the entire Ubuntu project08:33
troy_salthough those are grandiose words right now considering where we are at.08:33
troy_s:)08:33
newz2000Something like, "make the Ubuntu desktop ever more usable and attractive."08:34
troy_sit extends beyond that in scope08:35
troy_sit will eventually encompass the marketing aesthetic, etc.08:35
troy_sas well as other advertising related matters.08:35
newz2000Anything you can think of that needs to be included currently in that list?08:36
newz2000"Ubuntu desktop and its diriviatives..."08:36
newz2000:-( speling08:37
newz2000(sic)08:37
troy_slaf08:38
troy_swell ... again, i think that is the futures component.08:38
troy_scurrently, we will be lucky if we can actually coordinate a usplash08:39
troy_s:)08:39
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kwwiimoin10:51
kwwiiI just posted the svg sources to the pngs I sent to the list, in case someone is interested11:00
kwwiianyone seen frank lately?11:01
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