[01:11] <kwwii> sleep now
[12:18] <nickm1> hello is there someone i could talk to? my name is Nick McMahon from the ubuntu marketing team
[12:21] <nickm1> i'm looking to find an ubuntu color chart
[12:37] <nickm1> well, colour chart :)
[04:20] <newz2000> I'd love to see ken's concepts, but bootsplash.org won't resolve for me. Not even if I use the coral cache. :-(
[04:23] <newz2000> oh, got it. Man that looks sharp.
[04:28] <newz2000> klepas: got a moment?
[04:29] <klepas> sure, what's up?
[04:29] <newz2000> I'm going to be restructing the server that hosts art.ubuntu.com
[04:30] <newz2000> Do you have any special config there that you want preserved?
[04:31] <klepas> sorry, i didn't not create or help set it up
[04:31] <klepas> henrik would be the person to consult in that regard
[04:43] <newz2000> sorry for the delay, got caught up in a big dns question
[04:44] <newz2000> klepas: Yeah, everyone says that server can be nuked, I just knew that you've put some effort into it and I wouldn't want you to loose anything
[04:45] <klepas> i haven't really done anything other than add submitted content
[04:45] <newz2000> ok. I'm not going to delete that content, just move it around
[04:45] <klepas> so basically i had admin rights and used them to approve submissions
[04:45] <klepas> good :)
[04:45] <klepas> what is your plan for the system?
[04:45] <newz2000> We're going to set it up for shared hosting so the loco teams can have free web space.
[04:46] <newz2000> ubuntu-au.org and etc.
[04:46] <newz2000> That server is way underutilized and there are a lot of people wanting hosting
[04:46] <klepas> :)
[04:46] <klepas> no i mean in regards to artwork...?
[04:47] <newz2000> Are you asking what artwork I'm going to make, or what I'm going to do with the existing artwork?
[04:48] <klepas> well the system supporting the existing artwork
[04:48] <newz2000> Hopefully I wont' change anything except the location of the files on the disk.
[04:48] <newz2000> If we want to open it back up, that's fine. If we want to kill it, that's fine too.
[04:49] <klepas> well make sure we have a backup of it all
[04:49] <newz2000> You bet.
[04:49] <newz2000> I ran webalizer on the log files for that site... it gets a remarkably number of hits
[04:50] <newz2000> In June it got over 5,000 page views and > 300,000 hits PER DAY
[04:51] <newz2000> Sorry, that's 30,000 hits, not 300,000.
[04:55] <klepas> that is a fairly large amount
[04:55] <klepas> indicates the site needs to be looking polished and has to be accessable to it's users
[04:55] <klepas> because that number of visitors would include a lot of disheartened people
[06:11] <newz2000> anyone feeling resourceful with icons?
[06:12] <newz2000> I'm doing the bzr website and wanted three icons. I've found two great ones in tango-scalable, a third is OK but not quite right
[06:13] <newz2000> I need a book, and stock_new-address-book.svg is close, but its the wrong perspective
[06:13] <newz2000> It's laying down and it would look better standing up
[06:13] <newz2000> My attempts look like a rectangle
[06:13] <newz2000> oh wait, I found the dictionary icon, it will work just fine
[06:33] <klepas> hehe :)
[06:37] <newz2000> know of a way to do something like "outer glow" in inkscape?
[06:39] <klepas_Zzz> select the largest background object, duplicate it, move it to the bottom, press ctrl + shift and use your mouse to pull the objects arrows to make it large
[06:39] <klepas_Zzz> and now change the fill to whatever you need to acheive the right colour for a glow :)
[06:39] <klepas_Zzz> play around with the transparency/opacity, gradients and so forth
[06:40] <klepas_Zzz> that's it for me, 'night
[06:40] <newz2000> thanks, I'll try it
[06:40] <newz2000> night
[07:40] <troy_s> hi sara_
[07:41] <sara_> hey troy
[07:42] <sara_> I am wondering how would a project go about getting help fromt he art team
[07:42] <troy_s> the mailing list is sort of our main avenue
[07:42] <troy_s> for discussion currently
[07:42] <troy_s> and we try to use the spec procedure at launchpad.
[07:42] <sara_> but Ineed to join that right
[07:43] <sara_> spc procedure?
[07:43] <troy_s> the mailing list is probably your best starting point...
[07:44] <troy_s> what in particular do you need?
[07:44] <troy_s> if you could wiki the needs, it is possible that you MIGHT get someone who can help.
[07:44] <troy_s> hi dinda.
[07:44] <dinda> hi Troy_s et al
[07:44] <sara_> We are working on an ubuntu magazine, and we are getting to the point where we might need some art work and maybe some help
[07:45] <sara_> Yeah we have a wiki and are restructuring so that we have a art work page and we are going to have a list of thing to do soon
[07:46] <troy_s> well it might be useful to get in touch with the mailing list.  unfortunately it still has some unfortunate bad habits on it, but it is evolving into a more professional direciton.
[07:47] <sara_> ok so as soona s we have something up I guess I'll make apost
[07:47] <troy_s> that would be great
[07:47] <troy_s> we have some sample specs there
[07:47] <troy_s> if you could at least wiki the needs, and be clear and specific, perhaps offering some samples
[07:47] <troy_s> or something
[07:47] <troy_s> it would greatly aid the folks who need to see that sort of thing :)
[07:48] <troy_s> photo based items i know i can knock off relatively quickly for you
[07:48] <troy_s> illustration will take longer.
[07:48] <troy_s> and i don't know how many on the team are adept illustrators.
[07:48] <sara_> ok, I'll work on it and hopefully have a nice list up
[07:48] <dinda> sara_, the marketing team still seems unclear on how to use the Spec/wiki/Launchpad for developing/tracking things
[07:49] <dinda> I keep meaning to try to post to the mailing list some of the process I observed but have been busy
[07:49] <troy_s> dinda:  how do you know that?
[07:49] <troy_s> ahh.
[07:49] <sara_> yeah, I am sorry to say I am in part at fault for that at least for my part
[07:49] <troy_s> yes the spec system is terrific
[07:49] <dinda> from the mailing list and from being in paris
[07:49] <troy_s> for quick and easy references
[07:49] <troy_s> dinda,  you were in paris?  *embarassed*
[07:50] <dinda> lol - yeah and you were extremely jetlagged  ;)
[07:50] <dinda> as I recall :)
[07:50] <troy_s> LOL
[07:50] <troy_s> indeed.
[07:50] <sara_> didnda you should probably post, since I know I am doing things wring, but really don't know how to do them right
[07:51] <troy_s> crappers... didn't realize that was you.
[07:51] <troy_s> sara_, the more folks who get up to speed on launchpad etc
[07:51] <troy_s> the more can spread the knowledge.
[07:51] <dinda> alot of good work happened there and I hope the marketing team can learn from the artwork group's development
[07:52] <sara_> I'll take a look at the marketing team work and see what we can learn from it
[07:52] <dinda> there are lots of very enthusiastic folks in the marketing group but I'd hate to see duplication of effort avoided if possible
[07:53] <sara_> yeah, I know what you mean I have 3 similar proposals on my mailbox that would of done with collaboartion
[07:54] <troy_s> that's why specs are wonderful
[07:54] <troy_s> you can easily cite a link
[07:54] <troy_s> with full design needs
[07:54] <troy_s> without typing 'we have been over this a 1000000 times, so here is a copy of the text...'
[07:54] <troy_s> laf.
[07:56] <sara_> I just took a look at you specs on launchpad and I am certain that our projects would greatly benefit from them
[07:56] <dinda> exactly, here's the project spec, everyone can throw darts at it, and it can move forward
[07:57] <troy_s> the idea behind the specs is to get them started in x cycle
[07:57] <troy_s> get them fleshed out while everyone does their official work for x cycle
[07:57] <troy_s> and have them ready for attacking in x+1
[07:59] <sara_> great, I'll keep on looking and maybe I'll pick some examples so that we can get started
[07:59] <troy_s> those specs
[08:00] <troy_s> are based on martin pitt's very good samples
[08:00] <troy_s> so they aren't out of tangent.
[08:00] <troy_s> martin works with the dev team and has a couple of exemplary specifications on launchpad.
[08:00] <sara_> uhh. I came here looking for art help and I am getting help on managing the project. Thanks
[08:00] <troy_s> so i borrowed his outline
[08:00] <troy_s> well you can't really build a house without a blueprint
[08:01] <sara_> exactly. I just realized that I am missing ameeting on the marketing channel, so I got to go
[08:01] <dinda> was that now?
[08:02] <sara_> no wrong time
[08:02] <sara_> ooops. I got the tabas messes up
[08:02] <sara_> the mmeting is the 13th
[08:03] <dinda> troy_s; development seems to be moving well for the artwork team this cycle
[08:03] <troy_s> dinda, plodding like a beast of burden
[08:03] <troy_s> hopefully people who can work within a professional structure will continue to appear as they have been.
[08:04] <dinda> it was great to see Ken W get picked up for the kubuntu stuff - his work is great
[08:04] <troy_s> eventually, when we hit critical mass and things start to run themselves, i will attempt to bring in some very gifted folks.
[08:04] <troy_s> yes... he needs to get some outlines and such in place...
[08:04] <troy_s> which is why i was all for getting some textural references in place for ubuntu.
[08:04] <troy_s> it is hard to hit a moving target.
[08:04] <troy_s> right now, kubuntu is too hodgey podgy too.
[08:05] <troy_s> but again, that will evolve hopefully.
[08:05] <dinda> definitely
[08:05] <dinda> it's all really a much larger project than most realize
[08:06] <troy_s> yes... i think the open source art community hasn't really hit the professional level that it needs to
[08:06] <troy_s> and it is largely because everyone fritters away doing their own thing...
[08:06] <troy_s> which doesn't see the 'forest through the trees'
[08:06] <troy_s> how's texas?  hot?
[08:06] <troy_s> you are in texas aren't you?
[08:06] <dinda> hotter than hades with mosquitoes to boot
[08:07] <dinda> yip, Galveston, near Houston
[08:07] <troy_s> mosquitoes are great if you are a bat
[08:07] <dinda> yeah we saw about two million of them last week in Austin - great - no bugs by them
[08:08] <dinda> I'm hoping that the artwork model will help with marketing and then eventually my area - training
[08:08] <troy_s> official ubuntu training?
[08:08] <dinda> yip
[08:09] <troy_s> wow
[08:09] <troy_s> are you a canonical employee as of now>
[08:09] <dinda> training is always the last thing
[08:09] <dinda> nope. . . someday I wish  ;)
[08:09] <troy_s> everything is the last thing until people see a 'critical mass' point... then everyone wants to help.
[08:10] <dinda> exactly, once the product is built and finally adopted then someone will realize we might need to actually offer training to larger installs - like the 40k install shown in paris
[08:12] <dinda> but I'm going to start the ball rolling and work on some specs and wiki pages - there's already alot in place that can hep
[08:12] <dinda> help
[08:23] <dinda> gotta run off for awhile - nice chatting with you all
[08:32] <newz2000> Fill in the blank:
[08:32] <newz2000> The Ubuntu Artwork team exist to _______.
[08:33] <troy_s> eek
[08:33] <troy_s> look to mark's quotations as a good starting point.
[08:33] <newz2000> good idea
[08:33] <troy_s> i believe the team exists to manage the aesthetic development of the entire Ubuntu project
[08:33] <troy_s> although those are grandiose words right now considering where we are at.
[08:33] <troy_s> :)
[08:34] <newz2000> Something like, "make the Ubuntu desktop ever more usable and attractive."
[08:35] <troy_s> it extends beyond that in scope
[08:35] <troy_s> it will eventually encompass the marketing aesthetic, etc.
[08:35] <troy_s> as well as other advertising related matters.
[08:36] <newz2000> Anything you can think of that needs to be included currently in that list?
[08:36] <newz2000> "Ubuntu desktop and its diriviatives..."
[08:37] <newz2000> :-( speling
[08:37] <newz2000> (sic)
[08:38] <troy_s> laf
[08:38] <troy_s> well ... again, i think that is the futures component.
[08:39] <troy_s> currently, we will be lucky if we can actually coordinate a usplash
[08:39] <troy_s> :)
[10:51] <kwwii> moin
[11:00] <kwwii> I just posted the svg sources to the pngs I sent to the list, in case someone is interested
[11:01] <kwwii> anyone seen frank lately?