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| linuxmonkey | wassup guys | 01:22 |
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| LaserJock | hard at work, or asleep I'm guessing | 01:27 |
| Burgwork | neither | 01:28 |
| linuxmonkey | lol.. | 01:28 |
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| linuxmonkey | lol | 01:28 |
| === linuxmonkey needs to learn docbock and other stuff too | ||
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| LaserJock | I'm trying to make some scripts to make my life easier | 01:37 |
| === jenda waves at the docteam ;) | ||
| linuxmonkey | lol @ LaserJock | 01:40 |
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| LaserJock | linuxmonkey: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | ^^ makes my life easer | 01:53 |
| linuxmonkey | lol | 01:53 |
| linuxmonkey | i was supposed to learn packaging, but no one was willing to help me and i got lost..lol | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | and ask -motu | 01:55 |
| LaserJock | I'm up to 452 packages, \o/ | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | I'm sure glad Debian is around ;-) | 01:56 |
| linuxmonkey | yeah im gonna do that. and also need to know how to help with docs too.. all ive been doing is wiki's | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | I'd just check out the svn repo and poke around | 01:57 |
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| Burgundavia | any suggestions for admins for the wiki team? | 08:22 |
| Plug | What do they have to dO? | 08:25 |
| Burgundavia | Plug: be active on the wiki, be a known quantity in the community, be an Ubuntu member, and the final and most important qualification, I have to know and trust you | 08:26 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 08:28 |
| === bimberi wonders if that's anyone ;P | ||
| jsgotangco | i rarely touch the wiki lately | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | except for some quick edits and cleanups | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | nor do I | 08:30 |
| Burgundavia | too little time | 08:30 |
| bimberi | Burgundavia: i'd be willing | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | sure, what is your wikiname? | 08:33 |
| bimberi | DavidSymons | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | your lp name? | 08:35 |
| bimberi | bimberi | 08:35 |
| bimberi | i'm already on the wiki team | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | there is not much todo | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | it is more insurance for the "bus event" ie: I get hit by a bus or are otherwise not available | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | it provides a clear person to devolve power too | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | s/too/to | 08:37 |
| bimberi | ok, the team's wikipage says "The adminstrators will add you if you have already done a bit of editing on the wiki" - i guess that's doing a search on a candidate's wikiname and having a browse? | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 08:38 |
| bimberi | also, membership gives move/delete rights on help.ubuntu.com iiuc ? | 08:39 |
| bimberi | *h.u.c/community i mean | 08:39 |
| Burgundavia | currently, it does nothing because the relevant bits are not connected yet | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | it will at some point | 08:40 |
| bimberi | kk | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: when is the book coming out? | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | you also admin/own the aussie team, which played strongly in your favour | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: no idea, next month? | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: are you getting copies? | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 08:41 |
| bimberi | Burgundavia: that was just because i was quick :) | 08:41 |
| bimberi | but yes, i'm familiar with launchpad admin | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | nothing stated in your contract i guess if there is one? | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | haven't read that in months | 08:43 |
| mdke | morning | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 08:43 |
| mdke | am I an admin of that team already? | 08:43 |
| bimberi | hi mdke | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | mdke: the wiki one? you can be if you only ask | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | yes! do not forget our leader! | 08:43 |
| bimberi | hang on, i'll make you one :) | 08:44 |
| mdke | Burgundavia: sure. I'd suggest Brian too | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | done and one | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: I just gave you the power! | 08:44 |
| bimberi | Burgundavia: you've got lots of deputies now, feel free to kick me off :) | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | nope, see no need to | 08:44 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, which power, and how can I abuse it for my own profit and/or amusement? | 08:44 |
| bimberi | yet | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | better to have it more distributed | 08:45 |
| bimberi | agreed | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, jsgotangco, Madpilot and myself already have a great deal of power | 08:45 |
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| === bimberi is glad someone made light of it | ||
| jsgotangco | look deeper in svn | 08:46 |
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| Burgundavia | hey robitaille | 08:47 |
| robitaille | Hi Burgundavia | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | we don't want the various teams feeling/looking like old boys clubs | 08:47 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, you mean they aren't? ;) | 08:48 |
| === mdke doesn't think that is a problem | ||
| Burgundavia | not currently, but it is something that can appear quickly | 08:48 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 08:48 |
| mdke | as long as the administrators of that team are people who are active and familiar with the wiki, that is ok | 08:49 |
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| onkarshinde | Can anyone please tell me how to move a page form w.u.c to h.u.c? | 08:55 |
| bimberi | my technique - click edit on w.u.c, create on h.u.c/c and copy and paste | 08:56 |
| onkarshinde | bimberi: Ok. But what about redirect? | 08:56 |
| bimberi | onkarshinde: i set it up manually on the w.u.c page | 08:57 |
| onkarshinde | bimberi: I want to know how to do autoredirect | 08:57 |
| bimberi | onkarshinde: for example: #refresh 0 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 08:58 |
| onkarshinde | Ok. Thanks. | 09:00 |
| bimberi | yw :) | 09:00 |
| onkarshinde | bimberi: I plan to move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RadeonDriverHowto | 09:01 |
| bimberi | onkarshinde: iirc the docteam styleguide prefers not to have "Howto" in the name | 09:03 |
| mdke | yeah, remove that while you are transferring it | 09:06 |
| onkarshinde | bimberi: But then there are pages like BinaryDriverHowto, ActiveDirectoryHowto. | 09:06 |
| onkarshinde | mdke: Ok. I will remove it. | 09:06 |
| bimberi | onkarshinde: i did say 'prefers' :) | 09:07 |
| onkarshinde | bimberi: I copied the page to h.u.c Somehow w.u.c is giving network timeout. Can you please set the redirect? | 09:14 |
| mdke | what's the address of the new page? | 09:14 |
| bimberi | onkarshinde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ?? | 09:15 |
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| onkarshinde | bimberi: Please redirect https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RadeonDriverHowto to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver | 09:15 |
| mdke | bimberi: i'll do it, I have it open | 09:16 |
| bimberi | yep, doing so | 09:16 |
| bimberi | mdke: ok, it shows as locked by onkarshinde for me anyway | 09:16 |
| mdke | me too | 09:17 |
| mdke | done, anyway | 09:17 |
| bimberi | and tested | 09:18 |
| mdke | so, more replies to the "quality assurance on the wiki" and "categories on the wiki" threads please | 09:21 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke: will do so, but right now I need to sleep | 09:48 |
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| mdke | jjesse: what's the thinking behind doing switching as a book rather than an article? | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 03:07 |
| jjesse | mdke: the current thought was that each "chapter" would address a specific issue of switching from windows | 03:07 |
| jjesse | mdke: for example dealing with specific applications tht will help you move from windows might be larger then one article | 03:09 |
| jjesse | i'm going to reply to phil's email he sent out to the list and further explain some thigns | 03:09 |
| jjesse | but this is all subject to change :) | 03:10 |
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| mdke | jjesse: I would have thought an article would work better, myself. Then each "chapter" just becomes a section | 03:27 |
| mdke | it probably doesn't make a serious difference, I guess | 03:28 |
| mdke | it would be nice to link it in with other documents, such as manuals for specific applications, if you think that is appropriate | 03:30 |
| jjesse | no that's a great idea to link to other material and other applications | 03:32 |
| jjesse | would need help on how to do that | 03:32 |
| mdke | it's very easy for Gnome, probably is equally easy for Kde | 03:33 |
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| jjesse | ok | 03:34 |
| linuxmonkey | general page then branch off to the different ubuntu/kubuntu. | 03:35 |
| linuxmonkey | that way its not all cluttered and then on those pages at the botton could have a more infomation section linking to the help pages for that application | 03:36 |
| linuxmonkey | or applications used | 03:36 |
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| mdke | linuxmonkey: this is more about a document for the distribution, rather than the wiki... | 03:38 |
| linuxmonkey | ah ok | 03:39 |
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| jsgotangco | goodnight | 04:13 |
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| mdz | mgalvin: anything I can do to help with UWN? | 07:45 |
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| mgalvin | mdz: i've just been to busy to get to it this week, if you have time today please feel free to finish it up and send it out, i will certainly have time again starting next week to get them out on time again | 07:47 |
| mgalvin | i might have some time today but i can promise i could finish it today | 07:47 |
| mgalvin | s/can/can't/ | 07:48 |
| mgalvin | sorry about the delay this week, its just been very hectic for me :-/ | 07:50 |
| mdz | understood | 07:56 |
| nixternal | mdz and mgalvin, if you need help with it, i can lend a hand today after the cc meeting | 07:57 |
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| mgalvin | nixternal: any help is always welcome :) | 08:12 |
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| LaserJock | mgalvin: is there a draft on the wiki? | 08:15 |
| mgalvin | yea it the #6 WIP at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue6 | 08:16 |
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| LaserJock | lloydinho: hi! | 08:28 |
| lloydinho | Hi LaserJock! | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | lloydinho: how's it going? you survived the trip home I assume | 08:33 |
| lloydinho | LaserJock: I did indeed, though I went off to the next conference immediately following the one in Paris. | 08:34 |
| lloydinho | I spent a week at the GUADEC conference near Barcelona. | 08:35 |
| lloydinho | To see what life is like with the upstream... | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | very cool | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | did they complain about downstream a lot? ;-) | 08:36 |
| lloydinho | not at all, really. | 08:37 |
| lloydinho | Daniel and Seb had a Q&A session about Ubuntu, and most of the people there were already happy Ubuntu users. | 08:38 |
| LaserJock | cool, I actually would expect some issues. good to hear | 08:38 |
| lloydinho | They didn't have much bother with Ubuntu, though they were slightly annoyed with Launchpad not being open. | 08:38 |
| lloydinho | It seems that most of the trouble with Upstream is with Debian, not GNOME. | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | I think quite a bit of that has to do with Daniel and Seb | 08:40 |
| lloydinho | Yeah, Seb is one the top 3 bug reporters on the GNOME bugzilla. | 08:41 |
| lloydinho | The amount of work that he ensures reaches GNOME is quite astounding. | 08:41 |
| LaserJock | yes | 08:42 |
| lloydinho | (but of course, he spends most of his working day sorting useful Launchpad bug reports back upstream) | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | did you notice many differences between Ubuntu and Gnome communities, from the anthropological prespective | 08:42 |
| lloydinho | Well, just the way that the conferences were arranged was obviously dissimilar | 08:43 |
| lloydinho | I got the impression that the GUADEC was much more of a playful "summer camp for geeks" sort of thing. | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:45 |
| lloydinho | Not the work-intensive week that was the Ubuntu Summit. | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | Paris was my first linux conference so I have nothing to compare too :-) | 08:45 |
| lloydinho | I wrote a bit about the differences in my blog: http://alligevel.blogspot.com/2006/07/back-from-field.html | 08:46 |
| lloydinho | Yeah, I have little to compare to as well, but from I've heard, the GUADEC was an extraordinarily successful conference for "a very vibrant community". | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | being a scientist and having a wife in the social sciences, I'm quite interested in your work. I hope you have a lot of success with it | 08:47 |
| lloydinho | Hey, so do I! But thanks. It's really fascinating work. | 08:48 |
| LaserJock | Debian is a community that is totally fascinating to me | 08:49 |
| lloydinho | have you heard of Biella Coleman's work on Debian? | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | no | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | do you have a reference for that? | 08:50 |
| lloydinho | http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=805287 | 08:51 |
| lloydinho | It's a really good paper. | 08:51 |
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| linuxmonkey | wassup | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | lloydinho: so will your entire thesis be on Ubuntu? | 09:13 |
| lloydinho | yes, that is the plan. | 09:13 |
| lloydinho | And there is plenty of stuff to look at as well. | 09:14 |
| lloydinho | If you're interested, My original fieldwork proposal is on my blog as well. | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | ah cool | 09:15 |
| lloydinho | under the "Writings" section in the right hand column. | 09:16 |
| lloydinho | The funny thing is that I wrote that proposal in january, and it is really interesting to see how all sorts of aspects appear that I haven't thought of before. | 09:17 |
| lloydinho | So many ideas to look at. | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:18 |
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| LaserJock | lloydinho: oh, I like the research questions | 09:22 |
| lloydinho | LaserJock: thanks! Some of them are tricky to answer, though.. | 09:24 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:25 |
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| LaserJock | lloydinho: as an outsider (no CS experience/training or previous OSS experience) there are some things I had to learn for sure ;-) | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | socially | 09:29 |
| lloydinho | how so? | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | I remeber the day I told -motu that one of our dept computers had been hacked | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | I got soundly lashed for using the term hacked in a negative sense ;-) | 09:32 |
| lloydinho | oh yes. As you can see in my proposal, I use the term hackers a lot. | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | yes, I noticed | 09:33 |
| lloydinho | I had to make it specifically clear what I meant with term. | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | also learning communication mechanisms | 09:33 |
| lloydinho | Like IRC? | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | I wasn't on any mailing lists or IRC before working on Ubuntu | 09:34 |
| lloydinho | me neither. It is a very special way of communicating. | 09:35 |
| lloydinho | How did you adapt to it? | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | brute force I suppose, I don't think I really like mailing lists still | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | I enjoy IRC... too much in fact | 09:36 |
| Burgwork | heh | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | it's sort of the closest to a real conversation we get for the most part | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | I had to get used to TZ's, software politics, relationships between different groups/projects | 09:37 |
| lloydinho | Yeah. It is a lot. | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | when I first started I had no idea what the GPL was or what FLOSS meant | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | I knew sort of what open source was | 09:38 |
| lloydinho | It is pretty cool that you made it through all of that. It is a lot of cultural knowledge to digest. | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | it is, and I'm still working on it every day | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | I'd say that I spend more time on social work than technical work right now | 09:39 |
| lloydinho | Well, that is central in this sort of community. | 09:40 |
| lloydinho | Did you see the job posting for the Community Manager? | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | yes I did | 09:40 |
| lloydinho | I thought that was curious. | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | I think that is quite interesting | 09:40 |
| lloydinho | On one hand, you want somebody who is respected or accepted in the community. | 09:41 |
| lloydinho | On the other, you want someone who has enough distance to the project not to get too involved in personal matters. | 09:41 |
| nixternal | wasabi LaserJock | 09:42 |
| lloydinho | So as to be able to advise people to stand down if necessary. | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | I think it is interesting also from a sense of having a Canonical employee as a Community manager | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | I've been thinking/looking at the Canonical-Ubuntu relationship some lately | 09:43 |
| lloydinho | I think very few people would do a good job in such a position. But it is a unique position, and I'll be quite interested to see how that one develops. | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | me too | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | as I'm part of various communities they will be managing ;-) | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | I have seen the problem that Canonical is trying to address with that position | 09:44 |
| lloydinho | what is that? | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | basically, each of the communities are only as good as their leadership/structure | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | so some (the doc team is a good example I think) do well | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | others don't do so well | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | also, a position like that require enough time that it would be basically impossible on a volunteer basis | 09:46 |
| === lloydinho nods | ||
| LaserJock | so you basically end up with a paid person that can ensure that all the various communities inside Ubuntu are on track and have the leadership and structure they need to be succesful | 09:47 |
| lloydinho | yeah. It is probably the best way to keep the community energized. That was what all of the GUADEC conference was about. | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | when the project was smaller it was easier to keep track of the various teams and people | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | yes, keep motivation up is essential | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | volunteers working as many hours as most in this project do easy burn out | 09:48 |
| lloydinho | Some of the GNOME head honchos like Luis Villa or Jeff Waugh do this very well. | 09:48 |
| lloydinho | But since Ubuntu is still so young a project, we haven't had much time to grow our own such people. | 09:49 |
| lloydinho | It would be terrible if the community manager became "that canonical guy" | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | right | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | it will be interesting to see who gets the position | 09:49 |
| lloydinho | I thought immediately that somebody like Mako or mdz would be the best people for the job, since they're already so respected in the community. | 09:50 |
| lloydinho | But you can't really hire them twice. ;-) | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the issue is that most of the people who would be good for the job are already very valuable in the position that they have | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | mako is not employeed by Canonical so I guess he could be rehired ;-) | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | but I think he wants to focus on other things | 09:51 |
| nixternal | sorry for spamming, but i am going for ubuntu membership, and as long as i haven't made you made at me, you are welcome to provide support, that is of course if i did something to help you out. thanks guys!!! 10 minutes til meeting | 09:52 |
| lloydinho | yeah. He is very busy with the OLPC project and other stuff, | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: CC meeting time already? I'll try to be there | 09:53 |
| lloydinho | ooh. yes. | 09:53 |
| nixternal | that it is LaserJock, i appreciate it...if you can't make it, i will change have that voice over put in on that last podcast ;) | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | haha | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | my first interview ever, all ruined by a rouge membership applicant ;-) | 09:54 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: if you were going for membership in Edubuntu, I'd get to grill you :-) | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | to bad | 09:55 |
| nixternal | maybe one of these days...as i am trying to get a little more involved since i am pushing edubuntu to my local church and schools | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | good, good | 09:55 |
| nixternal | the church i goto is huge, so big in fact they have a large computer lab for children | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | wow | 09:56 |
| nixternal | thats where i fit in ;) | 09:56 |
| nixternal | i also had the opportunity of installing 40 systems total, 20 donated by Bill and Melinda gates, and 20 refurbed system with Edubuntu to a couple under priviledged schools | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | well, some day there will be an Ubuntu based distro for churches with lots of good stuff, hopefully with LTSP and everything | 09:57 |
| nixternal | the windows boxes are empty, just windows, and they have to purchase software...they use the Edubuntu boxes and a teacher even informed me how great schooltool is..which i want to play with now | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | way cool | 09:58 |
| nixternal | when i did this, i had no idea the power of Edubuntu and the free apps available for it...the teacher informed me ;) | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | well, we're working on getting it even better for edgy | 09:58 |
| nixternal | i can't wait..i have a system here with it setup, and i just need to find time to play with it more | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | I'm going to work on getting some meta-package in Universe to pull together common apps | 09:59 |
| nixternal | thats cool | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | and we are trying to get XFCE on there for low end computers | 09:59 |
| nixternal | i have a couple of friends who are teachers and i want to show them what it can do..maybe get them interested | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: make sure to tell them we'd love feedback from teachers | 10:00 |
| nixternal | i can do that | 10:00 |
| nixternal | i am waiting for my Edubuntu cd's, and i will put a pamphlet together so when i hand them out they will get extra info like that for it | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html if you haven't already | 10:01 |
| nixternal | nice | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | it is a little Edubuntu pamphlet that will hopefully go around England | 10:02 |
| Burgwork | nixternal, I will have an edubuntu case study done by the end of the week I expect | 10:02 |
| nixternal | i have the svn local, so i will go through all of that, for sure | 10:02 |
| nixternal | good deal Burgwork, i know you have been working diligently on it | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: great | 10:02 |
| Burgwork | I just need to get a free evening to work on it. So far I have failed completely in that regard | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | haha, I've given up on the thought of having a free evening | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | I've almost completly given up on TV and gaming | 10:05 |
| Burgwork | I am single, so that helps | 10:05 |
| nixternal | what is TV? | 10:06 |
| nixternal | gaming i gave up 4 years ago | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | that thing I don't watch any more | 10:06 |
| nixternal | hehe | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | other then the News to see how bad Reno is | 10:06 |
| nixternal | i catch the news once in a great while...but thats what akregator is for | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | harder to see how many people have been killed in my neighborhood via RSS | 10:07 |
| nixternal | haha | 10:07 |
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