=== _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:22] wassup guys [01:27] hard at work, or asleep I'm guessing [01:28] neither [01:28] lol.. === linuxmonkey is editing the ubuntu portion now that he's done the kubuntu wiki on reposirories [01:28] lol === linuxmonkey needs to learn docbock and other stuff too === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [01:37] I'm trying to make some scripts to make my life easier === jenda waves at the docteam ;) [01:40] lol @ LaserJock === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:53] linuxmonkey: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html [01:53] ^^ makes my life easer [01:53] lol [01:54] i was supposed to learn packaging, but no one was willing to help me and i got lost..lol [01:55] https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [01:55] and ask -motu [01:56] I'm up to 452 packages, \o/ [01:56] I'm sure glad Debian is around ;-) [01:56] yeah im gonna do that. and also need to know how to help with docs too.. all ive been doing is wiki's [01:57] I'd just check out the svn repo and poke around === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:22] any suggestions for admins for the wiki team? [08:25] What do they have to dO? [08:26] Plug: be active on the wiki, be a known quantity in the community, be an Ubuntu member, and the final and most important qualification, I have to know and trust you [08:28] heh === bimberi wonders if that's anyone ;P [08:29] i rarely touch the wiki lately [08:29] except for some quick edits and cleanups [08:30] nor do I [08:30] too little time [08:32] Burgundavia: i'd be willing [08:33] sure, what is your wikiname? [08:33] DavidSymons [08:35] your lp name? [08:35] bimberi [08:35] i'm already on the wiki team [08:36] there is not much todo [08:36] it is more insurance for the "bus event" ie: I get hit by a bus or are otherwise not available [08:37] it provides a clear person to devolve power too [08:37] s/too/to [08:38] ok, the team's wikipage says "The adminstrators will add you if you have already done a bit of editing on the wiki" - i guess that's doing a search on a candidate's wikiname and having a browse? [08:38] yep [08:39] also, membership gives move/delete rights on help.ubuntu.com iiuc ? [08:39] *h.u.c/community i mean [08:40] currently, it does nothing because the relevant bits are not connected yet [08:40] it will at some point [08:40] kk [08:40] Burgundavia: when is the book coming out? [08:40] you also admin/own the aussie team, which played strongly in your favour [08:40] jsgotangco: no idea, next month? [08:41] Burgundavia: are you getting copies? [08:41] no idea [08:41] Burgundavia: that was just because i was quick :) [08:42] but yes, i'm familiar with launchpad admin [08:42] nothing stated in your contract i guess if there is one? [08:43] haven't read that in months [08:43] morning [08:43] hi [08:43] am I an admin of that team already? [08:43] hi mdke [08:43] mdke: the wiki one? you can be if you only ask [08:43] yes! do not forget our leader! [08:44] hang on, i'll make you one :) [08:44] Burgundavia: sure. I'd suggest Brian too [08:44] done and one [08:44] Madpilot: I just gave you the power! [08:44] Burgundavia: you've got lots of deputies now, feel free to kick me off :) [08:44] nope, see no need to [08:44] Burgundavia, which power, and how can I abuse it for my own profit and/or amusement? [08:45] yet [08:45] better to have it more distributed [08:45] agreed [08:45] mdke, jsgotangco, Madpilot and myself already have a great deal of power === mdke looks around for where he keeps his thunderbolts === bimberi is glad someone made light of it [08:46] look deeper in svn === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-182-241.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:47] hey robitaille [08:47] Hi Burgundavia [08:47] we don't want the various teams feeling/looking like old boys clubs [08:48] Burgundavia, you mean they aren't? ;) === mdke doesn't think that is a problem [08:48] not currently, but it is something that can appear quickly [08:48] yes [08:49] as long as the administrators of that team are people who are active and familiar with the wiki, that is ok === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:55] Can anyone please tell me how to move a page form w.u.c to h.u.c? [08:56] my technique - click edit on w.u.c, create on h.u.c/c and copy and paste [08:56] bimberi: Ok. But what about redirect? [08:57] onkarshinde: i set it up manually on the w.u.c page [08:57] bimberi: I want to know how to do autoredirect [08:58] onkarshinde: for example: #refresh 0 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [09:00] Ok. Thanks. [09:00] yw :) [09:01] bimberi: I plan to move https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RadeonDriverHowto [09:03] onkarshinde: iirc the docteam styleguide prefers not to have "Howto" in the name [09:06] yeah, remove that while you are transferring it [09:06] bimberi: But then there are pages like BinaryDriverHowto, ActiveDirectoryHowto. [09:06] mdke: Ok. I will remove it. [09:07] onkarshinde: i did say 'prefers' :) [09:14] bimberi: I copied the page to h.u.c Somehow w.u.c is giving network timeout. Can you please set the redirect? [09:14] what's the address of the new page? [09:15] onkarshinde: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver ?? === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:15] bimberi: Please redirect https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RadeonDriverHowto to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver [09:16] bimberi: i'll do it, I have it open [09:16] yep, doing so [09:16] mdke: ok, it shows as locked by onkarshinde for me anyway [09:17] me too [09:17] done, anyway [09:18] and tested [09:21] so, more replies to the "quality assurance on the wiki" and "categories on the wiki" threads please === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn4.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:48] mdke: will do so, but right now I need to sleep === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy [n=synchron@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === synchronboy is now known as matthewrevell === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tristanbob_ [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:06] jjesse: what's the thinking behind doing switching as a book rather than an article? [03:07] ? [03:07] mdke: the current thought was that each "chapter" would address a specific issue of switching from windows [03:09] mdke: for example dealing with specific applications tht will help you move from windows might be larger then one article [03:09] i'm going to reply to phil's email he sent out to the list and further explain some thigns [03:10] but this is all subject to change :) === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:27] jjesse: I would have thought an article would work better, myself. Then each "chapter" just becomes a section [03:28] it probably doesn't make a serious difference, I guess [03:30] it would be nice to link it in with other documents, such as manuals for specific applications, if you think that is appropriate [03:32] no that's a great idea to link to other material and other applications [03:32] would need help on how to do that [03:33] it's very easy for Gnome, probably is equally easy for Kde === linuxmonkey likes what was done to repositories section in the HUC :) [03:34] ok [03:35] general page then branch off to the different ubuntu/kubuntu. [03:36] that way its not all cluttered and then on those pages at the botton could have a more infomation section linking to the help pages for that application [03:36] or applications used === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:38] linuxmonkey: this is more about a document for the distribution, rather than the wiki... [03:39] ah ok === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:13] goodnight === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@125.212.117.61] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === klepas_Zzz [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Taim [n=maztaim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:45] mgalvin: anything I can do to help with UWN? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:47] mdz: i've just been to busy to get to it this week, if you have time today please feel free to finish it up and send it out, i will certainly have time again starting next week to get them out on time again [07:47] i might have some time today but i can promise i could finish it today [07:48] s/can/can't/ [07:50] sorry about the delay this week, its just been very hectic for me :-/ [07:56] understood [07:57] mdz and mgalvin, if you need help with it, i can lend a hand today after the cc meeting === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-83-247.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Taim [n=maztaim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc [08:12] nixternal: any help is always welcome :) === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] mgalvin: is there a draft on the wiki? [08:16] yea it the #6 WIP at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue6 === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Talk] === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:28] lloydinho: hi! [08:32] Hi LaserJock! [08:33] lloydinho: how's it going? you survived the trip home I assume [08:34] LaserJock: I did indeed, though I went off to the next conference immediately following the one in Paris. [08:35] I spent a week at the GUADEC conference near Barcelona. [08:35] To see what life is like with the upstream... [08:36] very cool [08:36] did they complain about downstream a lot? ;-) [08:37] not at all, really. [08:38] Daniel and Seb had a Q&A session about Ubuntu, and most of the people there were already happy Ubuntu users. [08:38] cool, I actually would expect some issues. good to hear [08:38] They didn't have much bother with Ubuntu, though they were slightly annoyed with Launchpad not being open. [08:39] It seems that most of the trouble with Upstream is with Debian, not GNOME. [08:40] interesting [08:40] I think quite a bit of that has to do with Daniel and Seb [08:41] Yeah, Seb is one the top 3 bug reporters on the GNOME bugzilla. [08:41] The amount of work that he ensures reaches GNOME is quite astounding. [08:42] yes [08:42] (but of course, he spends most of his working day sorting useful Launchpad bug reports back upstream) [08:42] did you notice many differences between Ubuntu and Gnome communities, from the anthropological prespective [08:43] Well, just the way that the conferences were arranged was obviously dissimilar [08:45] I got the impression that the GUADEC was much more of a playful "summer camp for geeks" sort of thing. [08:45] yeah [08:45] Not the work-intensive week that was the Ubuntu Summit. [08:45] Paris was my first linux conference so I have nothing to compare too :-) [08:46] I wrote a bit about the differences in my blog: http://alligevel.blogspot.com/2006/07/back-from-field.html [08:47] Yeah, I have little to compare to as well, but from I've heard, the GUADEC was an extraordinarily successful conference for "a very vibrant community". [08:47] being a scientist and having a wife in the social sciences, I'm quite interested in your work. I hope you have a lot of success with it [08:48] Hey, so do I! But thanks. It's really fascinating work. [08:49] Debian is a community that is totally fascinating to me [08:50] have you heard of Biella Coleman's work on Debian? [08:50] no [08:50] do you have a reference for that? [08:51] http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=805287 [08:51] It's a really good paper. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:10] wassup [09:13] lloydinho: so will your entire thesis be on Ubuntu? [09:13] yes, that is the plan. [09:14] And there is plenty of stuff to look at as well. [09:15] If you're interested, My original fieldwork proposal is on my blog as well. [09:15] ah cool [09:16] under the "Writings" section in the right hand column. [09:17] The funny thing is that I wrote that proposal in january, and it is really interesting to see how all sorts of aspects appear that I haven't thought of before. [09:17] So many ideas to look at. [09:18] yes === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:22] lloydinho: oh, I like the research questions [09:24] LaserJock: thanks! Some of them are tricky to answer, though.. [09:25] yes === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:29] lloydinho: as an outsider (no CS experience/training or previous OSS experience) there are some things I had to learn for sure ;-) [09:29] socially [09:29] how so? [09:32] I remeber the day I told -motu that one of our dept computers had been hacked [09:32] I got soundly lashed for using the term hacked in a negative sense ;-) [09:33] oh yes. As you can see in my proposal, I use the term hackers a lot. [09:33] yes, I noticed [09:33] I had to make it specifically clear what I meant with term. [09:33] also learning communication mechanisms [09:34] Like IRC? [09:34] I wasn't on any mailing lists or IRC before working on Ubuntu [09:35] me neither. It is a very special way of communicating. [09:35] How did you adapt to it? [09:36] brute force I suppose, I don't think I really like mailing lists still [09:36] I enjoy IRC... too much in fact [09:36] heh [09:36] it's sort of the closest to a real conversation we get for the most part [09:37] I had to get used to TZ's, software politics, relationships between different groups/projects [09:38] Yeah. It is a lot. [09:38] when I first started I had no idea what the GPL was or what FLOSS meant [09:38] I knew sort of what open source was [09:38] It is pretty cool that you made it through all of that. It is a lot of cultural knowledge to digest. [09:39] it is, and I'm still working on it every day [09:39] I'd say that I spend more time on social work than technical work right now [09:40] Well, that is central in this sort of community. [09:40] Did you see the job posting for the Community Manager? [09:40] yes I did [09:40] I thought that was curious. [09:40] I think that is quite interesting [09:41] On one hand, you want somebody who is respected or accepted in the community. [09:41] On the other, you want someone who has enough distance to the project not to get too involved in personal matters. [09:42] wasabi LaserJock [09:42] So as to be able to advise people to stand down if necessary. [09:42] I think it is interesting also from a sense of having a Canonical employee as a Community manager [09:43] I've been thinking/looking at the Canonical-Ubuntu relationship some lately [09:43] I think very few people would do a good job in such a position. But it is a unique position, and I'll be quite interested to see how that one develops. [09:43] me too [09:43] as I'm part of various communities they will be managing ;-) [09:44] I have seen the problem that Canonical is trying to address with that position [09:44] what is that? [09:44] basically, each of the communities are only as good as their leadership/structure [09:45] so some (the doc team is a good example I think) do well [09:45] others don't do so well [09:46] also, a position like that require enough time that it would be basically impossible on a volunteer basis === lloydinho nods [09:47] so you basically end up with a paid person that can ensure that all the various communities inside Ubuntu are on track and have the leadership and structure they need to be succesful [09:47] yeah. It is probably the best way to keep the community energized. That was what all of the GUADEC conference was about. [09:47] when the project was smaller it was easier to keep track of the various teams and people [09:47] yes, keep motivation up is essential [09:48] volunteers working as many hours as most in this project do easy burn out [09:48] Some of the GNOME head honchos like Luis Villa or Jeff Waugh do this very well. [09:49] But since Ubuntu is still so young a project, we haven't had much time to grow our own such people. [09:49] It would be terrible if the community manager became "that canonical guy" [09:49] right [09:49] it will be interesting to see who gets the position [09:50] I thought immediately that somebody like Mako or mdz would be the best people for the job, since they're already so respected in the community. [09:50] But you can't really hire them twice. ;-) [09:50] yeah, the issue is that most of the people who would be good for the job are already very valuable in the position that they have [09:51] mako is not employeed by Canonical so I guess he could be rehired ;-) [09:51] but I think he wants to focus on other things [09:52] sorry for spamming, but i am going for ubuntu membership, and as long as i haven't made you made at me, you are welcome to provide support, that is of course if i did something to help you out. thanks guys!!! 10 minutes til meeting [09:52] yeah. He is very busy with the OLPC project and other stuff, [09:53] nixternal: CC meeting time already? I'll try to be there [09:53] ooh. yes. [09:53] that it is LaserJock, i appreciate it...if you can't make it, i will change have that voice over put in on that last podcast ;) [09:54] haha [09:54] my first interview ever, all ruined by a rouge membership applicant ;-) [09:54] lol [09:55] nixternal: if you were going for membership in Edubuntu, I'd get to grill you :-) [09:55] to bad [09:55] maybe one of these days...as i am trying to get a little more involved since i am pushing edubuntu to my local church and schools [09:55] good, good [09:56] the church i goto is huge, so big in fact they have a large computer lab for children [09:56] wow [09:56] thats where i fit in ;) [09:57] i also had the opportunity of installing 40 systems total, 20 donated by Bill and Melinda gates, and 20 refurbed system with Edubuntu to a couple under priviledged schools [09:57] well, some day there will be an Ubuntu based distro for churches with lots of good stuff, hopefully with LTSP and everything [09:57] the windows boxes are empty, just windows, and they have to purchase software...they use the Edubuntu boxes and a teacher even informed me how great schooltool is..which i want to play with now [09:58] way cool [09:58] when i did this, i had no idea the power of Edubuntu and the free apps available for it...the teacher informed me ;) [09:58] well, we're working on getting it even better for edgy [09:59] i can't wait..i have a system here with it setup, and i just need to find time to play with it more [09:59] I'm going to work on getting some meta-package in Universe to pull together common apps [09:59] thats cool [09:59] and we are trying to get XFCE on there for low end computers [10:00] i have a couple of friends who are teachers and i want to show them what it can do..maybe get them interested [10:00] nixternal: make sure to tell them we'd love feedback from teachers [10:00] i can do that [10:01] i am waiting for my Edubuntu cd's, and i will put a pamphlet together so when i hand them out they will get extra info like that for it [10:01] take a look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html if you haven't already [10:02] nice [10:02] it is a little Edubuntu pamphlet that will hopefully go around England [10:02] nixternal, I will have an edubuntu case study done by the end of the week I expect [10:02] i have the svn local, so i will go through all of that, for sure [10:02] good deal Burgwork, i know you have been working diligently on it [10:02] Burgwork: great [10:04] I just need to get a free evening to work on it. So far I have failed completely in that regard [10:05] haha, I've given up on the thought of having a free evening [10:05] I've almost completly given up on TV and gaming [10:05] I am single, so that helps [10:06] what is TV? [10:06] gaming i gave up 4 years ago [10:06] that thing I don't watch any more [10:06] hehe [10:06] other then the News to see how bad Reno is [10:06] i catch the news once in a great while...but thats what akregator is for [10:07] harder to see how many people have been killed in my neighborhood via RSS [10:07] haha === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-253-20.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:53] haha, that was fun === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-244-232.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc