[01:11] <jenda> What'd I miss, what'd I miss?
[01:11] <jenda> + hello all there :)
[01:11] <dotwaffle> hey
[01:12] <jenda> aloha, dotwaffle? :)
[01:14] <dotwaffle> Well, I'm not in Hawaii, but aloha none the less =)
[01:14] <dotwaffle> Can't make this Thursday's meeting =(
[01:14] <jenda> nixternal!
[01:14] <jenda> nixternal_?
[01:15] <jenda> Make that the only state I've never been to :)
[01:15] <nixternal_> whats up bud
[01:15] <nixternal_> nice little network hiccup     there
[01:15] <jenda> (only state of the US... but no, I have to take that back: Puerto Rico :) )
[01:15] <jenda> Ah...
[01:15] <nixternal> had a good trip i take it?
[01:16] <jenda> dotwaffle: I thought it was - my bad.
[01:16] <jenda> nixternal: quite good :)
[01:16] <jenda> I'll be there tomorrow supporting you, don't worry :)
[01:16] <nixternal> glad to hear...of course you visited one of the most expensive of the states too
[01:16] <nixternal> hehe
[01:16] <nixternal> thank you sir..much appreciated
[01:16] <jenda> err, today my time :)
[01:17] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup   <- layout 1 draft
[01:17] <jenda> most expensive? Alaska?
[01:17] <dotwaffle> Expensiva.
[01:17] <jenda> nixternal: seen that. Very, very nice work. I had a few remarks...
[01:17] <nixternal> oh..i thought you said you went to hawaii
[01:17] <jenda> nah - only state I haven't :)
[01:17] <nixternal> must of gotten confused during the net hiccup
[01:18] <jenda> not bad for a Czech, eh? :)
[01:18] <nixternal> im jealous..i have never been to alaska
[01:18] <nixternal> i have a lot of Czech friends here, so it is only a matter of time ;)
[01:18] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:19] <jenda> I just made it to AK this summer. Was one of the best ever.
[01:19] <jenda> I totally loved AK :)
[01:20] <nixternal> i have heard cool things
[01:20] <nixternal> i must make it there
[01:20] <nixternal> sooon
[01:20] <nixternal> brb b4 my pizza goes up in flames
[01:20] <nixternal> almost forgot about that
[01:35] <jenda> hello sara_
[01:36] <sara_> hello Janda
[01:36] <sara_> jenda
[01:36] <jenda> ;)
[01:36] <jenda> Just came back.
[01:36] <sara_> sorry
[01:37] <sara_> I am on my vacations right now, but is raining so I'm inside
[01:37] <jenda> didn't yet make it through the gazillion tons of mail ;)
[01:37] <jenda> Ah right - got that one, though :)
[01:37] <sara_> which one?
[01:37] <jenda> No problem - have a good vacation.
[01:37] <jenda> The one about you being away.
[01:38] <sara_> yeah ,but it has rain the whole time so it has not beign fun
[01:38] <jenda> ooh. US?
[01:38] <jenda> It's been sunny all the time here (Czech Rep.)
[01:38] <sara_> yeah north east, T-stroms
[01:38] <sara_> ohh how hjealous
[01:38] <jenda> don't be.
[01:39] <jenda> It's very, very hot.
[01:39] <jenda> I can barely bear it ;)
[01:39] <sara_> is hot in here, but full of T-steomr so it just makes it muggy and sticky
[01:39] <jenda> ouch.
[01:39] <jenda> That's not very nice... lemme guess - south west US?
[01:40] <jenda> :)
[01:40] <sara_> yeah and the whole week is going to be like tihs, my luck :(
[01:40] <sara_> noth east
[01:41] <sara_> NorthEAst
[01:41] <jenda> Haha... alright... let's call that a close miss. I guessed the exact opposite. :D
[01:41] <jenda> I'd bet New Mexico is a lot hotter.
[01:41] <jenda> And it has a lot of storms too ;)
[01:41] <Bilange> sara_, yeah, we get lots of storm since 3 weeks (quebec)
[01:41] <jenda> Hello Bilange :)
[01:41] <Bilange> hello jenda
[01:41] <sara_> I'm sure, but no humidity like here
[01:41] <jenda> sara_: WDC?
[01:42] <sara_> i ahte T-stroms
[01:42] <sara_> Philly
[01:42] <jenda> Or one of the other Chesapeake-bordering places?
[01:42] <jenda> Ah.
[01:42] <jenda> :)
[01:42] <jenda> I lived in WDC for three years. I konw the feeling.
[01:42] <jenda> I had a headache every-single-day.
[01:42] <sara_> yeah it horrible, but I just love the area
[01:42] <jenda> (TM)
[01:43] <jenda> Oh it's beautiful :D I loved it too.
[01:43] <sara_> by the way we are supose to have a meeting for the magazine the 17th . I am wondering if we can use the marketing chanel
[01:47] <Burgwork> sara_, if you are meeting, please do it in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:48] <sara_> DO I need to get in contac twith anyone about that
[01:50] <Burgwork> nope, merely make certain you are not going to conflict
[01:50] <Burgwork> the channel itself and fridge will tell you
[01:50] <Burgwork> also, tell the fridge people about your meeting
[01:51] <sara_> how you do taht?
[01:51] <sara_> whoa re the fridge people?
[01:51] <Burgwork> fridge.ubuntu.com
[01:51] <Burgwork> the community news site, also runs the meeting calendar
[01:51] <sara_> ohh I see that now
[01:53] <Burgwork> fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <sara_> thanks, as soon as we agre on a time I'll do it and send an e-mail to the marketing list also
[02:08] <Burgwork> I have no plans to switch to Ubuntu. (That's because I already use it -- but if I didn't I *would* switch!) -rob "roblimo" miller
[02:09] <adamant1988> Hello all
[02:10] <adamant1988> jenda glad to see you're back :)
[02:13] <adamant1988> well not so much with the back apparently
[02:13] <jenda> adamant1988: very, very back :)
[02:13] <adamant1988> haha
[02:13] <jenda> just a little tired, overwhelmed and...
[02:13] <adamant1988> I created a logo mockup for SU
[02:14] <jenda> a little drunk too, but that'll pass.
[02:14] <jenda> :)
[02:14] <jenda> adamant1988: saw it ;) Good work, appreciated...
[02:14] <jenda> but...
[02:14] <jenda> what we need is a site graphics proposal now.
[02:14] <adamant1988> What are you looking for exactly?
[02:15] <jenda> Well...
[02:15] <adamant1988> I'm not great with templates but I think I could whip up a mockup..
[02:15] <jenda> striking original, simple and elegant ;)
[02:15] <jenda> a block of text fro ubuntu.com for now
[02:15] <adamant1988> How many sub pages is spread ubuntus site going to need?
[02:15] <j_baer_> hey ... are you folks talking about spread ubuntu?
[02:16] <adamant1988> are we talking like a single page website or a LOT of pages?
[02:16] <jenda> and five big colorful links: See it, Try it, Get it, Shipit, SPREAD IT.
[02:16] <jenda> adamant1988: the mockup: just the front page
[02:16] <jenda> j_baer_: yep
[02:16] <j_baer_> I'm the new guy to the team ...
[02:17] <adamant1988> Jenda just some ideas completely white, a large wireframe globe with the links marked as locations on it. The globe being inside an Ubuntu logo
[02:18] <adamant1988> any text and such can written in scrollable columns linked to the globe...
[02:18] <adamant1988> it's just an idea...
[02:18] <jenda> adamant1988: that's very nice... but I can't think of more of a use for it than a background image for SU or something of the sort.
[02:18] <adamant1988> unless you make it the main menu too.
[02:19] <adamant1988> Make locations on the globe link to sub pages.
[02:19] <jenda> We don't really need a logo (as was decided after discussion) - logos are for branding. Do we brand with Ubuntu or Spreadubuntu?
[02:19] <jenda> Ubuntu - if you ask me.
[02:19] <jenda> adamant1988: hmm...
[02:19] <adamant1988> there was a lot of talk of a spreadubuntu logo and I did a mockup really quickly =\
[02:21] <adamant1988> no ones replied on my switch data project =\
[02:21] <sara_> I think is goos, but I just don'y know how we would carry it out
[02:21] <nixternal> [18:44]  <jenda> I lived in WDC for three years. I konw the feeling
[02:21] <nixternal> where at?
[02:21] <nixternal> i used to live there...my x and daughter still live there
[02:21] <jenda> Willard Ave.
[02:22] <jenda> Chevy Chase.
[02:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:22] <nixternal> i live in g'town, and alexandria...and spent most of my time in southern maryland
[02:22] <nixternal> i was stationed at patuxent river
[02:22] <adamant1988> sara_ what?
[02:23] <sara_> your proposal, I like the idea, but as it stand right now it would be hard to carry it our
[02:23] <jenda> adamant1988: whatcha mean by "a lot of talk of a spreadubuntu"?
[02:23] <jenda> err... + logo
[02:24] <sara_> maybe when we get the spreadubuntu site we could make a testimonial section
[02:24] <adamant1988> I mean I came into the channel and it's what everyone was discussing was spreadubuntu and a logo for it and all that
[02:24] <sara_> ohh I was responding to no one answering to your proposal
[02:24] <adamant1988> Sara_ I am willing to do the grunt work on that project myself.
[02:25] <adamant1988> And I don't know if spread ubuntu could use the testimonials or not, but I think the info could be useful itself...
[02:26] <sara_> ohh, perhaps you can try to add that to the structure of spread ubuntu on the Seet it or Try it part. Like what others are saying about ubuntu
[02:26] <sara_> I use modo from luxology and they have similar section on their website
[02:27] <sara_> but not as elaborated
[02:27] <adamant1988> Well my idea for implimenting the data would be simple but effective "testimonial banner ads"   You see the picture, the brief description (so and so, age, new user) and a good one liner from their blog.
[02:28] <sara_> where would you post the adds
[02:28] <adamant1988> Banners make good signatures in forums.
[02:28] <adamant1988> There are tons of sites that promote Ubuntu that would be happy to display them.
[02:28] <sara_> uhh, interesting
[02:29] <adamant1988> aside from eventually getting our own page to put them on... which was the main goal.
[02:29] <sara_> Maybe you need to make a mockup
[02:29] <sara_> you are good with graphics
[02:29] <adamant1988> decent...
[02:30] <adamant1988> Mockup of what the page should look like?
[02:30] <adamant1988> or banners or what?
[02:31] <sara_> mockup of how you think the thing would actually look and maybe an explanation on how people would get acees to it. The bannes and what they would link to.
[02:31] <adamant1988> I'm thinking that the banners could actually link to the blog
[02:31] <adamant1988> I'll create a mockup banner with my photo
[02:31] <sara_> I would like to know if i am lookinf into using Linux how would I get access to it. How could I be exposse to it
[02:32] <adamant1988> Ubuntu is one of the first things people come to when they search in linux... But at that point they still need convinced...
[02:33] <adamant1988> but if our aim is 0 cost marketing then I think we'll have a harder time reaching the masses.  Not impossible by any stretch though.
[02:33] <sara_> not me, I did not hear about ubuntu until i had try sometihn like three distros and was frustated about to quit
[02:33] <adamant1988> it was the first thing I heard about
[02:34] <adamant1988> I couldn't try it because breezy didn't like my computer...
[02:34] <adamant1988> just a thought... maybe we could get some press on PCworlds site?
[02:34] <adamant1988> they have a writer who is VERY partial to Ubuntu.
[02:34] <nixternal> we already have press there
[02:34] <sara_> so where do you think we should put the banners
[02:34] <nixternal> and to get more press costs a butt load..i know i used to do hardware reviews for them
[02:35] <sara_> or where we wouldbe allow to put eh banners. I would like to see one on distrowatch
[02:35] <adamant1988> well, where is the target audience going to be?
[02:36] <adamant1988> In particular pick a target market... if it's tech savvy computer users then I could imagine that working something out with computer help forums and linux forums would be a good place to get some activity.
[02:36] <adamant1988> as long as the forums are completely microsoft owned I don't see them objecting, most of them have members who use alternate OS's etc.
[02:36] <sara_> probably
[02:37] <adamant1988> For the end-user and home user, that's more difficult
[02:37] <nixternal> consumer = 10 to dead on age, male and female....business = all of them
[02:37] <adamant1988> they usually visit places like ebay and usually only because their friends tell them about it or they chance upon it in google.
[02:38] <adamant1988> so getting to them is best done via word of mouth =\
[02:40] <adamant1988> so.. I don't know if 'pass this on to your friends' emails are allowed here, but that's one way to get to them...
[02:41] <sara_> it could work, I would be carfull with some over zealous poeple spamming it
[02:42] <adamant1988> Yeah, but that would be a good place to put the email... I know some places I could get it started from, I'm sure everyone does..
[02:43] <sara_> I have no idea
[02:43] <sara_> :)
[02:43] <adamant1988> lol
[02:43] <adamant1988> you don't have an end user friend with an email account?
[02:43] <sara_> ok gotta go to dinnet now, but looking foward to see how this idea develops
[02:43] <adamant1988> ok :)
[02:50] <gnomefreak> welcome back from beach ;)
[02:52] <jenda> gnomefreak: aloha to you ;)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> welcome back jenda ;)
[02:53] <jenda> thanks ;)
[02:53] <jenda> I'll drop out in a bit, though.
[02:53] <jenda> Dead tired.
[02:53] <adamant1988> and drunk
[02:53] <jenda> I'll be on for two weeks now.
[02:53] <jenda> adamant1988: not anymore ;)
[02:53] <adamant1988> lol
[02:54] <gnomefreak> me too jenda
[02:55] <adamant1988> gnomefreak, the answer is an anticoagulant.
[02:55] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:55] <adamant1988> That's what I do when peopl...
[02:56] <adamant1988> I got someone really interesting in Ubuntu today
[02:57] <adamant1988> I just took my laptop down to the local library and sat with it for a while... wasn't long at all before people noticed I wasn't using Windows.
[02:57] <adamant1988> I am thinking about trying it again and taking Ubuntu disks with me
[02:57] <jenda> adamant1988: really?
[02:57] <jenda> Interesting...
[02:57] <adamant1988> Yeah
[02:58] <adamant1988> I had to give about 10 people links to Ubuntu.com
[02:58] <adamant1988> and detailed instructions on how to get CDs from shipit.
[02:59] <adamant1988> but this one kid in particular was going spastic, he begged me to let him play on the lappy.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> its ubuntu what could he break ;)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:59] <adamant1988> and it wasn't connected to the net
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:59] <jenda> haha :) true. No pass, no spaz.
[03:00] <adamant1988> I was just working on my blog post in OO.o and listening to some ogg music.
[03:00] <gnomefreak> even if he had password he wouldnt know what to do ;)
[03:01] <adamant1988> I like the Simply Free idea for a slogan though... I've thought of so many ways that can be made into a good ad
[03:01] <adamant1988> I'm thinking I might use that as the slogan for my project in town and see how it goes.
[03:02] <nixternal> jenda: i need to hire you...i need you to shake the ubuntu-list mailman and get me a LoCo team list setup so everyone on my LoCo can communicate ;)
[03:02] <jenda> ooh ;)
[03:02] <jenda> nixternal: I'm good with that kind of thing. write me an email with the details ;)
[03:02] <nixternal> i have emailed everyone and their mother, and never got a reply
[03:03] <nixternal> for 2 weeks now
[03:03] <nixternal> i guess i just needed to email the jenda ;)
[03:03] <jenda> haha :)
[03:04] <jenda> No-one dares not to reply the jenda ;) I'll do all I can to get a ML for you.
[03:04] <adamant1988> lol
[03:04] <adamant1988> When is the ubuntupeople site going to be back up?
[03:05] <jenda> adamant1988: it won't.
[03:05] <adamant1988> -_-
[03:05] <adamant1988> That sucks... so the marketing team will have no website....
[03:06] <jenda> It won't have a _forum_.
[03:06] <jenda> We decided that on the meeting.
[03:06] <jenda> We'll have the wiki...
[03:06] <jenda> nixternal: BTW, I kinda like the TOC on the right...
[03:07] <adamant1988> TOC? and we're just going to use the wiki for everything?
[03:07] <jenda> not for everything.
[03:07] <nixternal> jenda: you mean in the box to the right?
[03:08] <nixternal> a box
[03:08] <jenda> There's the mailing list for communication
[03:08] <jenda> nixternal: yep
[03:08] <nixternal> ok
[03:08] <jenda> but my word isn't final, you know that :)
[03:08] <adamant1988> yeah, but we'll have our OWN wiki not the one on ubuntu.com right?
[03:08] <jenda> adamant1988: no, ubuntu.com
[03:08] <nixternal> we have a meeting in a few days, and i want everyone involved
[03:08] <jenda> No separationism any more.
[03:08] <jenda> nixternal: me too.
[03:08] <adamant1988> ok, is spreadubuntu going to be on the main ubuntu site as well?
[03:09] <jenda> I think spreadubuntu.* will forward to spread.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <nixternal> i just requested 500 more cd's for "Ubuntu Chicago Days" in a couple of months
[03:10] <adamant1988> I requested 50 and was shot down to 30...
[03:11] <nixternal> this will be my 2nd order of 250+
[03:11] <jenda> nixternal: nice :)
[03:11] <nixternal> they go quick
[03:11] <nixternal> i got rid of 250 in less then 30 minutes at the last show
[03:11] <jenda> I requested 41 and will get the lot.
[03:12] <adamant1988> why did I get shot down? is my town undeserving =(
[03:12] <nixternal> Ubuntu Chicago is going to do a day in chicago of just marketing Ubuntu, hacking and enjoying the city...there are a few computer places and we want to put up posters and what not and kind of own that part of the city for the day
[03:12] <nixternal> 500 will last i would say a good 6 hours
[03:12] <jenda> adamant1988: the reason you gave seemed to be satisfactoy for 30 CDs only to shipit, I guess.
[03:12] <nixternal> as only people interested, or who we make interested will grab them
[03:12] <bimberi> adamant1988: it's not personal :)  i heard of someone who ordered 300 and got 100
[03:13] <nixternal> im sure they will shrink my request hardcore
[03:13] <nixternal> you always request more then you need, just in case
[03:13] <adamant1988> still blows I'm going to have to order more than that to get what I need for the school....
[03:14] <nixternal> adamant1988: i have spoken to a couple of the people in charge of that task, and they say as long as you can provide a good, clean legit reason and can back it up, they have no problem doing it
[03:15] <adamant1988> OOH I like these groovix computers sites...
[03:16] <adamant1988> wow they stocked up well, maybe i should order my computer from them instead of system 76...
[03:17] <nixternal> lol
[03:17] <adamant1988> lol
[03:17] <jenda> and his cursor moves towards the X on Xchat's upper right corner...
[03:17] <bimberi> that _is_ deep
[03:18] <nixternal> so if jenda falls asleep now..that means when i wake up in the morning, i should have a solid 100+ emails in the marketing team inbox
[03:18] <jenda> Hahahha :D
[03:18] <jenda> Not today, nixternal, sorry :)
[03:18] <nixternal> i was looking forward to at least 1 dangit ;)
[03:18] <jenda> I promise I'll catch up tomorrow, though.
[03:19] <nixternal> ya jenda, i need you well rested for tomorrow
[03:19] <nixternal> don't need you falling asleep right when it is my turn in front of the CC firing squad
[03:19] <nixternal> actually, everyone in here...TOMORROW @ 20:00 UTC,  CommunityCouncil meeting, and I am up for membership... I need you to show me some love!!!
[03:19] <nixternal> LOL
[03:20] <nixternal> don't make me do a channel ping
[03:21] <adamant1988> what?
[03:22] <adamant1988> what's the CC for?
[03:23] <nixternal> Community Council
[03:23] <nixternal> for my Ubuntu membership
[03:24] <nixternal> i have my 2 big membership requests within the next week...i have Ubuntu membership tomorrow, and then Kubuntu membership next week
[03:24] <nixternal> and then I have LoCo membership or introduction tomorrow as well
[03:24] <adamant1988> you have to request Ubuntu membership?
[03:24] <adamant1988> what are the benefits of that?
[03:25] <nixternal> everything
[03:25] <adamant1988> specifically?
[03:25] <nixternal> that is the benefits...you have a deeper communication channel which is huge, and it is just a small step and a token of the CC's appreciation for the work I have done..but I am not doing it for the benefits, I am doing it for the LOVE!!!!
[03:25] <bimberi> nixternal: kubuntu membership implies ubuntu membership - you don't need both
[03:26] <nixternal> they are seperate bimberi
[03:26] <bimberi> nope
[03:27] <nixternal> i thought they were, as if you are on Kubuntu member launchpad, your not on Ubuntu member launchpad, and plus there are 2 different CC's reviewing your history
[03:27] <bimberi> you should find that kubuntu-members is a member of ubuntu-members
[03:27] <adamant1988> so why should I apply to get ubuntu membership? (that's what I'm asking)...
[03:28] <nixternal> i guess you are right on that bimberi, as that is how it is
[03:28] <bimberi> gah this modem, trying to load launchpad is sooo slllloooww
[03:29] <bimberi> adamant1988: it's recognition of your efforts as part of the ubuntu community
[03:29] <adamant1988> oh I see...
[03:29] <adamant1988> I guess I will just ahve to try harder.
[03:30] <bimberi> nixternal: the CC wanted to offload some of the membership application load, so the kubuntu and edubuntu CC's were established
[03:30] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:30] <nixternal> i see
[03:31] <bimberi> nixternal: so, up to you, i reckon you're fine for either :)
[03:32] <adamant1988> or both
[03:33] <nixternal> i was told by others on the Kubuntu team to do it...so i will follow the leader ;)   that was bad...verry bad
[03:33] <nixternal> gahaha bimberi
[03:33] <nixternal> thx
[03:35] <bimberi> nixternal: hehe, no not that _you're_ applying.  Just what it's effect is on the CC's wish to reduce the workload
[03:36] <nixternal> i know...had to poke fun at you though ;)
[03:36] <bimberi> :P
[03:37] <bimberi> adamant1988: you don't have to try harder.  Just keep up the effort and decide when you feel ready to apply.  The criteria is essentially 2 months of sustained, significant contribution
[03:37] <adamant1988> heh, well I should be able to keep that up...
[03:37] <adamant1988> I wonder if these groovix computers are worth their weight....
[03:39] <adamant1988> Yeah, I'm trying to find a good Ubuntu affiliate to buy a pc from
[03:39] <adamant1988> my fiance is going to switch to Ubuntu wether she likes it or not lol.
[03:39] <adamant1988> whether*
[03:40] <bimberi> we don't have any affiliates locally - working on it though - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks
[03:42] <adamant1988> hrmmm
[03:42] <bimberi> btw, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuFriendlySuppliers is work-in-progress to broaden the scope of that AustralianTeam initiative
[03:43] <adamant1988> groovix and system76 both look good.
[03:53] <nixternal> hey
[03:54] <nixternal> Riddell just brought to my attention, Kubuntu has been using the GNU/Linux distribution for everyone...i thought we had some slick ones earlier with that...he beat us to it ;)
[04:31] <adamant1988> hello again all.
[04:33] <nixternal> oh lord
[04:33] <nixternal> you again"
[04:33] <nixternal> ;)
[04:33] <adamant1988> lol
[04:33] <adamant1988> Hrmm... I'm looking at Suse's website.
[04:33] <nixternal> don't ever look at SuSe's wiki, as it is as proprietary as the rest of it
[04:34] <adamant1988> I think that Suse actually meets the need of being able to purchase a boxed set with a manual and all, though.
[04:34] <adamant1988> And plus I love beagle.
[04:34] <adamant1988> lol
[04:35] <adamant1988> I'm just looking anyway
[04:35] <adamant1988> but I don't mind suse being all proprietary and all that.
[04:35] <adamant1988> But I AM going to download apparmor for my pc
[04:36] <nixternal> where can you purchase SuSe at around you?
[04:37] <nixternal> i used to be able to go into Best Buy and buy it, and CompUSA...but not anymore
[04:37] <nixternal> since Novell bought it from the Germans, all the stores stopped selling it that carried Microsoft Products
[04:37] <adamant1988> No where, but I CAN get it in a box with a manual, which is something I feel is relatively important for a home user to have.
[04:39] <adamant1988> I still doubt that anything could handle repos like Ubuntu does (except for Linspire and such)
[04:40] <adamant1988> But it gives me another distro to play with.
[04:43] <nixternal> you can do the same for Ubuntu on sites taht sell it like that also i believe
[04:45] <adamant1988> Show me a site that sells it in English... I'd like to get a copy for my fiance probably.
[05:02] <nixternal> DOWNLOAD IT adamant1988
[05:02] <nixternal> ;)
[05:02] <adamant1988> lol
[05:02] <adamant1988> she would need the manual... as is I'm going to have to be the manual for her.
[05:05] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com
[05:05] <nixternal> there is her manual
[06:53] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42307
[06:56] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42234
[06:56] <adamant1988> wow
[06:57] <adamant1988> that second one is impressive
[06:57] <nixternal> no comment
[06:57] <nixternal> i did get a kick out of the "Linux for human beings....and robots" though
[06:58] <adamant1988> lol yeah that was pretty cool.
[06:58] <adamant1988> -_- I'm downloading the sled 10 isos...
[06:59] <adamant1988> You can tell Ubuntu has overwhelming qualities when I get a knot in my stomach from downloading another iso and thinking of using it =\
[07:00] <nixternal> sled?
[07:00] <adamant1988> yeah SUSE LINUX ENTERPRISE DESKTOP
[07:00] <nixternal> oooh i about used my ops on you ;)
[07:00] <adamant1988> lol i was kicked out of a channel once for using Ubuntu
[07:01] <adamant1988> But I've seen the screenshots, I've got the itch now, and I have to scratch. lol.
[07:01] <nixternal> liberals
[07:01] <adamant1988> That way I can dismiss it as betaware and go back to distributing Ubuntu CDs
[07:01] <nixternal> thats how SuSe sucks you in..it looks pretty..and yast2 is sweet and what not..but enjoy rpm headaches
[07:02] <adamant1988> Actually I'm more interested in the interface alterations
[07:02] <adamant1988> the "computer" menu is a subtle but big change, and I'd like to see how it's implimented.
[07:02] <adamant1988> I figure I'll use it on my laptop for a week before I reinstall ubuntu.
[07:03] <adamant1988> I just did a clean Ubuntu install last night so it's not like I'm losing any important data.
[07:03] <nixternal> Kubuntu and thats that
[07:05] <adamant1988> lol
[07:06] <adamant1988> sorry kubuntu just isn't as inviting as gnome
[07:06] <adamant1988> kde*
[07:06] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:06] <nixternal> my kubuntu is beautiful
[07:06] <nixternal> it runs so smoothe, and it is solid
[07:06] <nixternal> solid gold baby
[07:07] <adamant1988> I know but it's just not as inviting to me =\  I like simplicity and effectiveness.
[07:07] <adamant1988> all that polish has it's place, but not on my desktop.  I'll probably never touch XGL even if it comes included in edgy
[07:08] <nixternal> you think gnome is simplistic?
[07:08] <nixternal> xfce is simplistic
[07:09] <adamant1988> in fact I'm putting Xubuntu on Jenny's (my fiance) computer for the little social experiment I'm doing.
[07:09] <nixternal> xubuntu might not be the best one for her, but ok
[07:09] <adamant1988> it has.. modest... hardware to say the least so Xubuntu is pretty much be required...
[07:09] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:10] <nixternal> i run kubuntu and ubuntu dual boot on a p2 600, 196mb ram, 10gb hard drive
[07:10] <adamant1988> otherwise I'd give her a default Ubuntu install.
[07:10] <adamant1988> hers is an old slow processor with 128 megs of ram.
[07:10] <adamant1988> It's running XP  SOMEHOW
[07:11] <nixternal> ouch
[07:11] <nixternal> i ran xubuntu on this laptop, and i couldn't tell a difference between it and the others speed wise
[07:11] <adamant1988> But I promised her that Linux would speed her computer up, and I know Xubuntu can run 'ok' on 64 megs of ram so I'm putting that on her computer.
[07:11] <nixternal> the fastest ubuntu is Kubuntu dapper w/ kde 3.5.3...and i will boot mine against anybodies anytime anywhere ;)
[07:12] <adamant1988> I'd be happier if Kubuntu didn't have that crap blue theme off the bat... The ubuntu color scheme should be universal throughout.
[07:13] <nixternal> [00:14]  <Red_Herring> anyoen think of a "Swtich to Ubuntu" virus?
[07:13] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:13] <adamant1988> that's good publicity
[07:13] <nixternal> adamant1988: i agree with the kubuntu artwork/theme
[07:13] <adamant1988> I met a kid who broke his fathers windows install to get him to use linux.
[07:14] <adamant1988> like 5 minutes ago in the forum room
[07:14] <adamant1988> sick kid.
[07:14] <nixternal> lol...i used a virus years ago to get a client of mine to switch over to *nix
[07:14] <nixternal> NetBSD
[07:14] <nixternal> oh..and they have never had a virus since
[07:15] <adamant1988> lol
[07:17] <nixternal> hmmm...ckenyon has a good one, sounds familiar, but it is good....Taste Freedom, Experience Ubuntu...as well as his "Join the Ubuntu Circle"...that is good
[07:18] <adamant1988> good slogans
[07:18] <adamant1988> I wonder why none of these are considered for the main slogan :)
[07:18] <nixternal> the ChicagoTeam named it's meeting "The Taste of Ubuntu"
[07:18] <nixternal> hint*The Taste of Chicago"
[07:18] <nixternal> ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> i posted my poster i was working on yesterday because there simply aren't any..and now there is a poster campaign
[07:19] <nixternal> i wish you would have done this earlier ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> it would make my life easier right now
[07:20] <adamant1988> lol
[07:20] <adamant1988> that'll teach you
[07:21] <nixternal> i like the current design and layout, just need to make it better
[01:31] <jenda> kgoetz: what's that?
[01:32] <kgoetz> jenda: teh 4.30 am meeting time :
[01:32] <kgoetz> *-:
[01:32] <jenda> ooh I see.
[01:32] <jenda> I'm sorry about that.
[01:33] <kgoetz> its no tlike  i have a lfe, but days the meeting ison i always have something on :|
[01:33] <kgoetz> nah, not your fault :(, juust a pain for me
[01:33] <jenda> But I'll keep an eye on time-screwers ;)
[01:33] <kgoetz> :)
[01:34] <kgoetz> and risk being wiped out fo rthe next 2 days
[01:37] <bimberi> kgoetz: 2nd place is 03:30 :/
[01:38] <mdke> kgoetz: that does happen sometimes. Rotating meeting times is a good way to avoid this
[01:38] <kgoetz> bimberi: even that would be better :
[01:38] <kgoetz> *:|
[01:39] <kgoetz> mdke: yeh. anyhow, see yuo u all later as k_k again
[01:39] <bimberi> oops, and 07:30
[01:45] <jenda> nixternal: You know what? I really think we should have the table of contents on the right. The huge white space in the middle of it does'nt look good. Think widescreen. :)
[05:57] <adamant1988> hello all
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[06:03] <adamant1988> I can't believe I downloaded those SUSE isos lol.
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> you bene playing with suse?
[06:05] <sara_> how long did it take you? Before drapper came out I could not get breezy working on my alpto so I used Opensuse and it took to long
[06:07] <jenda> aloha, y'all.
[06:07] <jenda> Is Suse worth trying?
[06:08] <adamant1988> I don't know
[06:08] <adamant1988> what's what I'm going to find out.
[06:08] <adamant1988> My main interest is the XGL integration and the new menu system.
[06:08] <adamant1988> I have to say that SUSE has always done well at producing an attractive gnome desktop
[06:08] <adamant1988> If Ubuntu could have that (except with two bars) then I would die.
[06:09] <adamant1988> nothing
[06:09] <adamant1988> I love Ubuntu's gnome desktop
[06:09] <adamant1988> I'm saying Suse's is more attractive
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> how so?
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> maybe i wasnt clear - what makes suses more atrractive?
[06:10] <adamant1988> I'm not sure... but it seems more 'elegant' I can't quite figure it out... I'm thinking it's the new menu system they've put in and the 'cleanness'.
[06:11] <adamant1988> Which Ubuntu has until people use and the bars get filled up...
[06:12] <adamant1988> haha
[06:12] <adamant1988> I don't.
[06:12] <adamant1988> Suse was what I used preubuntu, I was really happy with it except for the package managment.
[06:12] <adamant1988> YAST was broken hardcore
[06:16] <adamant1988> In my mind Suse only has one thing over Ubuntu... They sell boxed sets =\.  I'd love to buy myself an ubuntu boxed set and get a couple disks and a manual (hell maybe even a tshirt :) )
[06:17] <adamant1988> I would do it if it was in English
[06:17] <adamant1988> But I'm glad someone agrees that we should have boxed sets :P
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll keep using ubuntu-en, but having a box set would rock
[06:18] <adamant1988> I agree, lets write canonical.
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a german version of debian :)
[06:19] <sara_> Why doy ou think we need a box?
[06:19] <adamant1988> Because it's something tangible and physical.
[06:19] <adamant1988> You get a product, you want some confirmation that you have the product and that your money was well spent ( I kept my windows XP disks boxes for almost a year, sitting next to my computeR)
[06:20] <sara_> so waht is the diff between that and a Cd case
[06:20] <adamant1988> and... I read the manuals when I get bored =\
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol adamant1988
[06:20] <adamant1988> it's true
[06:21] <adamant1988> I didn't have an Ubuntu manual so I bought Ubuntu Hacks, the O ' Reilly book.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i belive you :)
[06:21] <adamant1988> good book, lots of useful stuff about wine and all that.
[06:21] <adamant1988> plus.. I want the damned box set.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> box sets are nice for looking at :)
[06:21] <adamant1988> exactly!
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:22] <adamant1988> and this one could have  a t-shirt like the german set.
[06:22] <adamant1988> Plus you get people like my fiance, who would rather use the box than the product.
[06:22] <adamant1988> What is she going to do with Ubuntu!? theres no box!
[06:22] <jenda> We should get the Ubuntu shop to sell boxed sets.
[06:22] <sara_> ohh, I jsut buy all my software online and like it
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 tshirt, 1 ubuntu cd, 1 DIY sabdfl kit, 1 manual, what else have i forgotten adamant1988 ? :)
[06:23] <adamant1988> 1 Poster
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, a poster
[06:23] <adamant1988> :)
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:23] <sara_> If the ubuntu shop had box sets I would buy one just to suppor them, and maybe my failiy would finally acceps that ubuntu is for real
[06:23] <sara_> stickesr for your computer
[06:23] <adamant1988> exactly Sara
[06:23] <jenda> 1 fifteen foot flagpost and a five foot Ubuntu flag.
[06:24] <adamant1988> people want tangible physical representation of their software
[06:24] <adamant1988> and Shipit isn't exactly too liberal with letting people hand out large quantities of disks....
[06:24] <jenda> wtf is a "DIY sabdfl kit" :-D
[06:24] <adamant1988> so then you have to burn your own and that just looks unprofessional
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 tshirt, 1 ubuntu cd, 1 DIY sabdfl kit, 1 manual, 1 poster, 1 sticker, 1 flag and 1 flagpole
[06:24] <adamant1988> I'd rather pay for them then have to burn my own ...
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, you know those cardboard cut out things? ;)
[06:25] <jenda> haha :) right.
[06:25] <jenda> The type people take pictures with.
[06:25] <adamant1988> lol a little Ubuntu Tiki-Man action figure
[06:25] <adamant1988> that needs to be in the box
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[06:25] <adamant1988> Jenny (fiance) would die for that
[06:26] <jenda> and 3 collectible UBuntu-members cards :D
[06:26] <adamant1988> Ubuntu the playing card game
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> (ubuntu box set): 1 tshirt, 1 ubuntu cd, 1 DIY sabdfl kit, 1 manual, 1 poster, 1 sticker, 1 flag and 1 flagpole, 1 Ubuntu action figure,  3 collectible UBuntu-members cards
[06:26] <adamant1988> "Richard Stallman I choose you!"
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> and install skype ;)
[06:26] <adamant1988> "Oh yeah? My Mark Shuttleworth has +10 atk points"
[06:26] <Bigtoe> hah
[06:27] <adamant1988> "Oh no!"
[06:27] <jenda> Ooh! mom, I got two Seveases this time! I wonder if tommy would trade for a Kamion.
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i *love* it
[06:27] <adamant1988>  I'll trade you that saveases for a Tux the dragon (common it's a good deal)
[06:27] <jenda> No way.
[06:27] <adamant1988> wow, my Enlish went to hell in that sentance
[06:27] <jenda> Seveas, ban him!
[06:28] <adamant1988> Wow, we should stop this now...
[06:28] <adamant1988> before someone gets hurt
[06:28] <adamant1988> (jenda)
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely longer membered members are worth more o_0
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. longer membershiped members...
[06:29] <adamant1988> of course not
[06:29] <jenda> hehe ;)
[06:29] <adamant1988> What do you think this is? a fair game?
[06:29] <adamant1988> NO.
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:30] <adamant1988> Truth is I have a 90 card deck and I know where every card is inside of it
[06:30] <adamant1988> I can't be defeated Muahahahahahaha
[06:30] <jenda> Whoever has the sabdfl wins anyway, unless one other player has all the other three of the CC.
[06:30] <adamant1988> lemme guess you have it?
[06:30] <jenda> Or all the 143 or so other members :D
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:31] <jenda> ... ending the game and the flood of the channel logs :D
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:31] <adamant1988> Lol... ok... THAT is why we need an ubuntu boxed set.
[06:31] <adamant1988> hours of enjoyment without touching the computer
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, totally agree. *sage nods*
[06:31] <adamant1988> my fourth suse disk is done burning
[06:31] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: can you name the CC including IRC nicknames off the top of your head?
[06:31] <adamant1988> onto the fifth.
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, nope, i think i know 4 memebers, ;)
[06:32] <jenda> There are only 4 ;) (members of the CC)
[06:33] <adamant1988> Jenda
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> the ones i know arnt CC, they just exist as memmbers (you, hobbsee, robotgeek,... ok, 3)
[06:33] <adamant1988> write letters to canonical, tell them we want a boxed set.
[06:33] <jenda> hehe ;)
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> even as a novelty item
[06:34] <jenda> I think we'd first have to find out if the Ubuntu shop was interested.
[06:34] <adamant1988> it's possible... the germans have one
[06:34] <adamant1988> we should too...
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> heeh. The Germans was the name of one episode of Faulty Towers
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> its hilarious
[06:36] <adamant1988> lol... ok then..
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> you barbariens :( how can you not know Faulty Towers :(
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> * barbarians
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:36] <adamant1988> Have you watched 'House M.D."?
[06:36] <nixternal> wheeeeee
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> that doctor show?
[06:37] <adamant1988> yes
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal, hi :)
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, seen a few eps
[06:37] <nixternal> hey there Kamping_Kaiser, hello adamant1988 ;)
[06:37] <adamant1988> best show ever.
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:37] <adamant1988> hey nixternal
[06:37] <adamant1988> I have the first season on DVD :)
[06:38] <adamant1988> nixternal what do you think about an Ubuntu boxed set?
[06:38] <nixternal> i like it
[06:38] <adamant1988> We're going to write lots of mean letters to the Ubuntu shop to get them to make it
[06:38] <nixternal> the hard thing with the us, is getting places to sell it
[06:38] <adamant1988> just sell it online
[06:38] <adamant1988> then people who want it will get it
[06:38] <nixternal> online stores will sell it since their overhead is nill usually
[06:38] <adamant1988> exactly
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> the hard thing everyware else is using US$ to buy it :O
[06:39] <nixternal> yup
[06:40] <adamant1988> well.. the germans have one specifically for them
[06:40] <adamant1988> we should too! (and europe and all that)
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc the german one is for anyone in EU, who is willing to speak german
[06:42] <adamant1988> exactly
[06:42] <adamant1988> so make a us version for anyone willing to pay in $
[06:43] <adamant1988> man.... here goes (installing suse on lappy)
[06:44] <adamant1988> I have to go to the bank and get about $150 put on a visa gift card...
[06:45] <adamant1988> yay lol
[06:45] <jenda> adamant1988: send about that much on my paypal account while you're at it ;)
[06:45] <adamant1988> lol it's almost all I have lol...
[06:46] <adamant1988> I need to buy a linux compatible printer, and I need to look at getting a cedega subscription so my sister will finally use Linux.
[06:46] <adamant1988> The only thing stopping her from using Ubuntu is Ragnorak Online.
[06:47] <adamant1988> I like "listen" the music player
[06:47] <adamant1988> it does everything Amorak does without the KDE-ishness
[06:47] <nixternal> woohoo...i just got my kubuntu cd's
[06:47] <adamant1988> SCORE
[06:47] <nixternal> i have a few hundred more to go now!!!
[06:48] <adamant1988> lol.
[06:48] <adamant1988> man those debian guys need to be quiet once in a while...
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. gl
[06:50] <adamant1988> I know, I'm waiting to the day Ubuntu has become far enough apart from the debian project that they'll quit harrassing us in blogs.
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, i'm waiting for the day ubuntu /is/ debian in 1 number of ports, 2 number of packages, 3 etc, and /is not/ debian in size. its closing in :(
[06:52] <adamant1988> i don't mind a big distro =\
[06:52] <adamant1988> here we go... formatting...
[06:53] <adamant1988> we'll find out if SLED 10 is worth it's weight.
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont mind a big distro, but ubuntu sucess was founded in its smallnes - ie it ran like a startup. now its so big its hard to controll/run
[06:54] <adamant1988> Well, either the canonical folks will see this and do something about it
[06:54] <adamant1988> otherwise ubuntu will have a problem solving bug #1
[06:54] <sara_> I think that they know about ut and are looking into it
[06:54] <adamant1988> I don't see bug #1 being solved without boxed sets personally.
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure will, and actually, its not canonicals issue to fix. it sthe ubuntu foundations
[06:55] <adamant1988> (ok, so I REEALLLY want a box set)
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, boxed linux doesnt sell that wlel, thers just some people who really like them
[06:55] <adamant1988> I know it doesnt, but it should be an option to those of us who want the manual and such... I'd feel cheap giving out shipit CDs for christmas...
[06:55] <Burgwork> adamant1988, there is a boxed set in germany
[06:55] <adamant1988> even though it'd be a great gift.
[06:56] <MenZa> bug #651
[06:56] <MenZa> woot
[06:56] <adamant1988> lol what bug is that?
[06:56] <MenZa> Chatzilla registers bug #somenumber as a Mozilla bug report
[06:56] <Burgwork> adamant1988, the issue with boxed sets is that setting up the manufacturing and distribution costs real money, for little obvious returns
[06:56] <MenZa> Provides a link
[06:56] <MenZa> I thought you guys were firing off html i nhere
[06:56] <MenZa> html in here*
[06:56] <adamant1988> I'd buy a ton of them lol
[06:57] <adamant1988> We're talking of creating an  Linux shop in town
[06:57] <adamant1988> because there are no alternative operating systems here.
[06:57] <adamant1988> I *might* have a location already lined up
[06:58] <adamant1988> and people here arne't going to take an OS seriously unless they pay for it in some way
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, take 500ml of blood, thats a bit serious ;)
[06:58] <adamant1988> haha
[06:58] <adamant1988> why don't I just ask for the first born child while I'm at it?
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, nah, looking after children is anoying, just brainwash them
[06:59] <adamant1988> "USE UBUNTU" subliminal messaging
[06:59] <adamant1988> I'll raise an army to suit my purposes
[06:59] <adamant1988> BRILLIANT
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[07:00] <adamant1988> ok
[07:00] <adamant1988> so tabs in opera are WAY out of control
[07:00] <adamant1988> my tab bar is ALWAYS full and I can't figure out how that's happening
[07:01] <adamant1988> http://static.flickr.com/23/25510798_edbffcccad_m.jpg  <<< THATS WHAT I WANT
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just realised it 2.30 again :|
[07:03] <adamant1988> 1 03 here.
[07:04] <adamant1988> gah, SUSE uses banshee by default...
[07:04] <adamant1988> how did I see that one coming.
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> as in 0103 or 1303?
[07:05] <adamant1988> is in 1:03 pm
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, right
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> its 02:35am here
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyay, nigth :)
[07:06] <nixternal> g'nite ;)
[07:06] <adamant1988> gnight
[07:07] <adamant1988> wow... suse installs slow.
[07:07] <adamant1988> 36:38 left on the install...
[07:07] <nixternal> oh ya, it is slow like ubuntu is slow
[07:07] <adamant1988> Ubuntu installed in like 20 minutes for me =\
[07:07] <nixternal> ubuntu is one of the slowest installs i have seen, where as Kubuntu is quick
[07:08] <nixternal> Ubuntu has never installed for me that quick
[07:08] <nixternal> ah well..i need some lunch and i have to prepare my speach for the meeting
[07:08] <adamant1988> installed on my old laptop in about 20 minutes =\
[07:08] <nixternal> i shall return
[07:08] <adamant1988> ok
[07:08] <adamant1988> I'll be in here to watch your meeting lol.
[07:09] <Bigtoe> i have never had it install in less than an hour
[07:18] <adamant1988> you guys are odd lol
[07:19] <adamant1988> grrr, there needs to be an ubuntu-rant channel with everyone in it.
[07:19] <Burgwork> -offtopic
[07:20] <adamant1988> Yeah... I met some guy in the ubuntuforums channel who's basically being all emo. (girls won't date him, not successful) etc.
[07:20] <adamant1988> He's playing depression down as the reason for his woes... I'm bipolar and ADD... it hasn't stopped me any... i don't get people like that.
[07:21] <Bigtoe> depression is a strange thing
[07:25] <adamant1988> yeah it is
[07:25] <adamant1988> so is psychosis.
[07:31] <Burgwork> this is wildly offtopic, so please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:33] <jenda> Thank you :)
[07:35] <adamant1988> Yeah that's why I asked about a rant channel lol
[07:35] <adamant1988> sorry couldn't contain it anymore I just wrote a blog about it so I'm good.
[07:41] <Burgwork> jenda, I can be a cold hearted bastard sometimes :)
[07:41] <jenda> 
[07:53] <nixternal> [12:43]  <Burgwork> jenda, I can be a cold hearted bastard sometimes :)
[07:53] <nixternal> good, im not the only one then ;)
[07:54] <jenda> Hello mgalvin
[07:54] <jenda> I have a question :)
[07:54] <jenda> Is the UWN Rosettable?
[07:55] <jenda> aaand... I just realised that of course it isn't... because rosetta syncs monthly. Duh.
[07:55] <jenda> How is the UWN being translated, then?
[07:56] <mgalvin> jenda: hey...
[07:56] <nixternal> jenda: i believe the loco teams were going to be doing that
[07:56] <mgalvin> jenda: people just do it manually
[07:56] <nixternal> i know a couple were already doing so
[07:57] <jenda> nixternal: I'm asking for the Czech LoCo ;)
[07:57] <nixternal> there you go jenda, it is all you then, get to translatin' ;)
[07:57] <mgalvin> just grab the latest one from the wiki and make a translated copy, nothing special about it
[07:57] <jenda> Alrighty.
[07:57] <jenda> Will do.
[07:58] <jenda> Thanks.
[07:58] <jenda> And is there anything new? :)
[07:58] <jenda> Are you expecting more updates on the MT soon?
[07:58] <adamant1988> hello all... again
[08:13] <mgalvin> jenda: you guys can just give me an update whenever there are updates
[08:16] <adamant1988> hrmmm there's nothing that great in SUSE
[08:17] <adamant1988> the menu system is NICE but past that I can't see one single advantage of Ubuntu.
[08:19] <adamant1988> over*
[08:19] <mvirkkil> adamant1988: Beagle out of the box?
[08:20] <adamant1988> yeah, that's a nice thing, but I wouldn't call it neccessary
[08:21] <mvirkkil> adamant1988: Well, we could all be using msdos or vax. Most stuff is something someone thinks of as unnecessary
[08:21] <adamant1988> I see your point
[08:21] <adamant1988> but the menus are a really nice addon.
[08:22] <adamant1988> sad thing is, it didn't configure my laptop right
[08:22] <adamant1988> linux loves my laptop
[08:22] <adamant1988> so that's a shocker
[08:24] <adamant1988> the menus are a step in the right direction though
[08:38] <jenda> mgalvin: Alright, after the meeting then :)
[09:14] <jenda> Hello alecks ;)
[09:20] <jenda> make that hello a1ecks ;)
[09:22] <gaz00> hola
[09:23] <jenda> aloha, gaz00
[09:23] <jenda> a1ecks: are you interested in a bit of webdesign?
[09:29] <a1ecks> jenda: atm I'm a bit busy :/
[09:29] <a1ecks> jenda: but whats the job?
[09:30] <jenda> Spreadubuntu, but don't stress it - there's about a week or so more to work on it.
[09:32] <gaz00> hrm....
[09:32] <gaz00> spreadubuntu.org shows up as "for sale"... might be an issue
[09:32] <a1ecks> ah cool- i saw the forum post. I might try some stuff later/ tommorow
[09:32] <a1ecks> spreadubuntu.com is fine tho
[09:33] <jenda> great ;)
[09:33] <jenda> Yeah, we lost the .org.
[09:34] <jenda> Don't go there - the more people do, the higher the price will be if we want to buy it :-D
[09:35] <a1ecks> oh well
[09:35] <a1ecks> the .com is fine anyways
[09:36] <gaz00> looks like only [ http://www.kingcosmonaut.de/ ]  has linked to it
[09:36] <gaz00> Oh, and allforcarrie's sig [ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38938&highlight=alltray+gnome+terminal ] 
[09:41] <nixternal> whee
[09:42] <nixternal> jenda: it seems you are the only one showing up, although jjesse emailed his stuff in just in case he couldn't make it
[09:45] <gaz00> lol...   Okay, so it's not exactly the best example of web design
[09:46] <jenda> haha, gaz00 ;)
[09:46] <jenda> nixternal: I'm with you :)
[09:46] <nixternal> ty sir
[09:46] <jenda> Can you link me to your wiki?
[09:46] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nixternal
[09:46] <jenda> right 
[09:47] <nixternal> hehe
[09:47] <adamant1988> hello all.
[09:47] <nixternal> whats up adamant1988
[09:47] <adamant1988> not too much
[09:47] <adamant1988> I finally am getting some decent hours at work... 23.5 next week... increasing as I get trained on more things...
[09:47] <gaz00> hey cool!   80% chance of vista ready by jan [ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13812973/ ] 
[09:47] <gnomefreak> anyone know where man pages are stored? /usr/share/doc?
[09:47] <nixternal> ewww
[09:48] <adamant1988> I have SUSE installed on my laptop
[09:48] <gaz00> gnomefreak: # which man
[09:48] <gnomefreak> man mount.smbfs
[09:48] <gaz00> gnomefreak:  on osx now, and its /usr/bin/man
[09:48] <adamant1988> I'm withholding all judgement but right now it seems the only advantage it has (for me) over Ubuntu is the menu system (which is AWESOME) and apparmor
[09:49] <jenda> gaz00: don't believe that ;) Besides, the longer it takes, the better for us.
[09:49] <adamant1988> actually
[09:49] <adamant1988> It would be better if they released sooner.
[09:49] <adamant1988> microsoft has a nasty habit of rushing things... just imagine what could happen if a practically beta version of Vista were released 0_0
[09:50] <adamant1988> that could be great for Linux in general.
[09:50] <gaz00> jenda: i'm fully aware.   80% is pretty low, but I find it amusing to see all the delays, and now, they are pushing it back another 6 months with a low chance of release
[09:51] <jenda> IT would be great if they released an extremely buggy (no doubt) beta-like final version...
[09:51] <jenda> ... by the end of 2011
[09:51] <adamant1988> haha
[09:52] <adamant1988> Wow.. I already want ubuntu back on my laptop
[09:53] <adamant1988> You never realize how much little things like sudo make life easier in linux until you use something like suse...
[09:53] <adamant1988> lol
[09:53] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:54] <adamant1988> although I do love the slab
[09:54] <nixternal> you know...that is something i noticed...you don't have to set up the sudoers config at all with Ubuntu
[09:54] <adamant1988> it's crazy how intuitive the slab is.
[09:55] <adamant1988> so Jenda you should help me argue a point that Ubuntu needs boxed sets to the shop.
[10:01] <jenda> I'll think about it. I'm hesitant if the initial investment isn't too large.
[10:01] <adamant1988> I think all we would have to show is that there IS a market for it.
[10:01] <Burgwork> jenda, boxed sets are madness
[10:01] <Burgwork> there is already a company doing them in germanyu
[10:01] <adamant1988> yeah, too bad those are in German...
[10:03] <jenda> Burgwork: well, they make a profit, dunney?
[10:04] <adamant1988> that's what I'm saying... if fhtere was a boxed set you might see people buying them as gifts and such, I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't think the market was there.
[10:04] <Burgwork> jenda, no idea, I expect not a great one
[10:04] <adamant1988> as long as they're reasonably priced and contain good stuff then they'll be good sellers I imagine.
[10:06] <adamant1988> I'm nto saying we'll see them in bestbuy or anything, but it would be nice to be able to order one
[10:08] <adamant1988> hrmm I'm going to have to plug my suse laptop in to the net to get a read on how it preforms under actual use.
[10:08] <adamant1988> I'll be back
[10:10] <gaz00> he really likes that boxed set idea, doesn't he?
[10:11] <jenda> I don't expect it to be a zillion dollar business, but if there's anyone interested in the project, they should contact the company in Germany...
[10:11] <jenda> damn, I was going to suggest to him to do that ;)
[10:11] <Burgwork> gaz00, madness
[10:15] <jenda> hello, j_baer
[10:26] <jenda> nixternal: brb, hope I don't miss it... five minutes, no more :)
[10:26] <nixternal> i don't think you will miss it ;)
[10:27] <ompaul> Burgwork, CC ?
[10:30] <jenda> what about it?
[11:12] <gaz00> off topic, but advertising fans might enjoy this:  http://www.glumbert.com/media/turkishbank.html
[11:18] <jenda> wow
[11:19] <gnomefreak> nixternal: deep dish ubuntu?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> sorry had to
[11:19] <nixternal> haha yes
[11:30] <gnomefreak> that cant be a good sign
[11:31] <jenda> you mean the new visitor to the meeting?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> jenda: and the CC wasnt saying anything
[11:31] <jenda> yep
[11:31] <gnomefreak> i have this feeling were going back to topic #1
[11:31] <jenda> I hope not.
[11:32] <Bigtoe> so whose meeting is going on right now?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> ubuntu cc meeting
[11:35] <Bigtoe> i guess i could have read the title :-/
[11:59] <jenda> Hello GStubbs43
[11:59] <GStubbs43> Hi
[12:01] <Bigtoe> fedora is going to have an exibit at oscon, but ubuntu isn't
[12:01] <Bigtoe> i am going to have to put a stack of ubuntu cds on fedora's table
[12:02] <jenda> Or make an exhibit. Where is oscon?
[12:02] <Bigtoe> portland, oregon
[12:02] <Bigtoe> i don't think there is enough time to put that together, it's in 2 weeks