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sivangLaserJock: I hope this understanding will grow as the science advances12:14
LaserJockwell, I think it will to some degree. However, totally new computational methods (i.e. quantum computing) will need to come about12:15
fowlduckfigured it out, set it using 'gconftool-2 --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type <type> --set </path/to/whatever> <value>'12:15
crimsunugh, long day.12:15
crimsunoh yay, merges.12:15
zulcrimsun, you love it12:16
crimsunthis 50-hr day keeps getting longer12:16
LaserJockcrimsun: lol12:18
LaserJockdang it, now I've forgotten how to use cut12:19
sivangLaserJock: interesting, so you say quantum computing for example need to mature in order to help advance nanotech ?12:39
sivangit's almost ironic :)12:39
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LaserJocksivang: well, I think we can do a lot of nanotech without quantum computing, but nano molecules are *huge* computationally01:06
LaserJockyou can't do much computationally with them01:07
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imbrandon_moins LaserJock01:21
LaserJockhi imbrandon_01:21
mukundhttp://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-340401:27
mukundgimp packagers should move to 2.2.1201:27
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crimsunmukund: gimp (2.2.11-1ubuntu3.1) dapper-security; urgency=low  * SECURITY UPDATE: Arbitrary code execution with crafted XCF files.  * app/xcf/xcf-load.c: - Check num_axes for sanity to avoid buffer overflow with invalid values. - CVE-2006-3404 -- Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>  Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:11:09 +000002:03
LaserJockweird02:09
LaserJockso do you think if a package has the wrong overrides in the archive that ubuntu-archive should get the bug?02:10
mukundcrimsun: great02:11
zulmoral of the story always check the changelog02:12
mukundzul: i'm not an ubuntu user (yet)02:13
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LaserJockinteresting, I found 6 packages with wrong Section: and 2 packages in Multiverse that should be in Universe02:34
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fowlduckinteresting is trying to find libgconf2-ruby in the repositories02:47
fowlducki'm dumbfounded02:47
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Hobbseehi all03:28
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fowlduckhi Hobbsee03:39
Hobbseehey fowlduck ;003:40
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ajmitchhi Hobbsee, bye Hobbsee03:47
Hobbseehey ajmitch!03:47
Hobbseeajmitch: you survived melbourne then?03:47
ajmitchI'm still alive, if that's what you mean?03:47
Hobbseeajmitch: partly, yeah03:47
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ajmitchah, and now bddebian appears03:52
bddebianHi ajmitch03:53
bddebianWhat'd I do now?03:53
ajmitchwhere do I start? :)03:53
Hobbseeajmitch: thought you might03:54
ajmitchmust go, will be back in a day or so (I hope)03:54
Hobbseeajmitch: the plane will crash and you'll have to swim back.03:54
ajmitchprobably03:54
bddebianlater ajmitch03:54
Hobbseeheh03:54
Hobbseeajmitch: but you still wont be able to tickle my feet, if your'e at the airport!  yay!03:55
Hobbseeajmitch: did your home computer crash, btw?03:58
zulor row03:59
Hobbseehmmm...true03:59
LaserJockbddebian: you got cernlib merged?04:05
LaserJockBTS and I are going to have a serious discussion04:08
bddebianLaserJock: Yes, done before I quit04:09
Hobbseebddebian: why do you quit?04:10
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bddebianHobbsee: Becuase I have a 50+ hour work week, a wife, and three kids and all I catch is grief for what I try to contribute04:10
Hobbseebddebian: :( ah04:11
LaserJockbddebian: don't worry, I appreciate your work, and I can understand your situation04:12
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bddebianThanks04:21
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lukaswayne9Can I poke at a MOTU for some spare time to look at my two packages in the revu?04:57
anibalbddebian, "all I catch is grief for what I try to contribute" could be turned into a challenge to improve things next time around05:06
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bddebianlukaswayne9: What packages?05:18
lukaswayne9bddebian: fceu-server and gfceu05:18
lukaswayne9bddebian: i wrote both of them05:18
LaserJockbddebian: lol, I think I found a MOTU Science package that wasn't uploaded by you or me ;-)05:24
bddebianLaserJock: Heh, which one?05:24
LaserJockgeomview05:24
bddebianYep, wasn't me :-)05:25
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bddebianIsn't debian/copyright supposed to have the full text of the GPL license?05:31
LaserJockno05:32
LaserJocknot for GPL05:32
lukaswayne9bddebian: i used to have it, but i took it out05:32
lukaswayne9bddebian: someone told me to just refer to /usr/doc/..$whatever05:32
bddebianOK05:32
LaserJockbddebian: if the full text is in /usr/share/common-licenses/ you don't have to do full text, just preamble and point to full text05:33
lukaswayne9What's this bs when I build gfceu? dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}   dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}05:38
bddebianI didn't get that building it now?05:41
lukaswayne9oh, that's good05:41
LaserJocklol, "The bddebian is a moron release" ?05:43
bddebianHeh, yeah, what package was that?05:44
lukaswayne9bddebian: how's it look?05:44
lukaswayne9gfceu05:45
bddebianlukaswayne9: Looks good05:45
LaserJockbddebian: lyx05:45
lukaswayne9both of them?05:45
bddebianlukaswayne9: Yep05:46
lukaswayne9great!05:46
lukaswayne9this is my first two real packages05:46
lukaswayne9these are*05:46
lukaswayne9bddebian: Hmm, net or games?05:47
bddebianI think games but I won't swear by it :-)05:47
lukaswayne9LaserJock: Got a minute?  Could you take a look at my two packages in the revu?05:48
lukaswayne9bddebian: thanks a lot for your time!05:48
bddebianNP05:48
LaserJocklukaswayne9: unfortunately I don't think I have time tonight for a proper review06:08
lukaswayne9LaserJock: Alright, that's fine.. If you could take a look at them when you have some free time it would be greatly appreciated!  I have been pushing to get these in universe for a week or two06:08
LaserJockI'll try06:09
LaserJock:-)06:09
LaserJockI need to review the new Python Policy06:10
bddebianDon't we all :-)06:10
lukaswayne9Does anyone have a link for it?06:10
crimsunhttp://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/06:11
LaserJockI'm not sure if the one on www.debian.org/devel/ is current or not06:11
LaserJockI honestly don't know what the "offical" word is, I just came across some emails like "we'd like to change the Python Policy to ..."06:12
LaserJockand I don't keep up with debian enough to know when it's really offical or not06:12
crimsunI'm surprised the copyright address is outdated06:13
crimsunusually people are quick to point out and correct that06:14
LaserJocklol, that's funny06:15
lukaswayne9Woohoo! My package complies with the python policy06:16
lukaswayne9but don't take my word for it06:17
crimsunif it doesn't, I'd be very worried, as the new policy makes things much easier06:18
lukaswayne9is the new policy ubuntu specific?06:19
crimsunnot at all. It synced into Ubuntu from Debian.06:19
lukaswayne9Oh, that's good06:19
lukaswayne9I was looking at the python spec, and I was worried about that06:19
crimsunhah, awesome, more bugs than I can shake a stick at06:20
bddebianYeah, there are a shitload06:20
lukaswayne9in what?06:20
LaserJockeverything06:20
bddebianlukaswayne9: crimsun is probably talking alsa stuff.  I am talking about Ubuntu in general :-(06:20
lukaswayne9oh06:21
lukaswayne9edgy is really buggy right now, and has REALLY poor performance, but that was kinda expected06:21
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LaserJockdo we need to keep dh_iconcache changes?06:22
bddebianLaserJock: I haven't heard otherwise, but we won't go there ;-)06:23
bddebianAh well, gnight folks06:29
lukaswayne9thanks again bro!06:29
LaserJockcya bddebian06:29
bddebianYou bet06:29
bddebiangnight LaserJock06:29
bddebiangnight crimsun :-)06:29
lukaswayne9One last shameless plug:  If anyone has a minute to check out my two revu packages, it would be greatly appreciated!06:30
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LaserJocklukaswayne9: you should include the link to the revu pages when plugging ;-)06:30
lukaswayne9My two packages:   http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2606   http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=267406:32
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freeflying|awayany core-dev here, need sponsor upload. thx07:57
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Lathiatfreeflying|away: of?08:16
freeflying|awayLathiat: you can upload to main?08:16
Lathiatnot to main08:16
Lathiat#ubuntu-devel is probably the better place to ask for themn08:16
Lathiatthat08:16
Lathiat:)08:16
freeflying|awayLathiat: thx :)08:17
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HobbseeBOO!08:22
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imbrandon_Hobbsee, HOO!08:31
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Hobbseeimbrandon_: oh dear08:33
Hobbseehi ogra08:33
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theBishopcan someone help me with NetworkManager?08:46
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Kagouhi09:25
Kagouhi hub09:26
Kagouhub: ufraw work like a charm on edgy :) . i'v also added 3 propositions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Photo09:27
Lathiathas anyone else noticed...09:28
Lathiatthat in gnome in dapper lately09:28
Lathiatif you copy and paste out of gnome terminal09:28
Lathiator gaim or some such09:28
Lathiatthe newlines disappear?09:28
Lathiatfor me at least when pasting to irssi09:28
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phanaticmorning motus09:45
Toadstool'morning everybody09:47
phanatichey Toadstool09:51
zakameheya phanatic Toadstool09:52
phanaticnew packages can get into universe until universe freeze, right?09:52
phanatichey zakame09:52
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dholbachgood morning everybody10:09
Toadstoolhi dholbach, phanatic & zakame10:12
dholbachhey Toadstool10:12
\shmoins10:18
Toadstoolhey \sh10:21
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phanaticanother try :)10:44
phanatic<phanatic> new packages can get into universe until universe freeze, right?10:44
Toadstoolyep10:45
phanaticthanks :)10:46
Toadstoolnp ;)10:46
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cbx33hi all10:56
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jsgotangcohi11:09
cbx33should a lintian report saying source: native-package-with-dash-version be worrying?11:10
cbx33It's a package I have written for ubuntu11:10
cbx33i have called the source folder11:10
cbx33gisomount-1.0.111:10
cbx33is that wrong?11:10
netgrabbercbx33: calling it gisomount_1.0.1 is better11:11
netgrabberthe archive...11:11
jsgotangco_11:11
cbx33so switch the - for a _11:12
netgrabberhmm no11:12
cbx33oh i see11:12
cbx33actually calling the package 1.0.111:12
cbx33?11:12
cbx33or am I completely missing it?11:13
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netgrabberI don't know... maybe its better to ask someone else11:14
cbx33ok11:14
netgrabberdholbach: :D11:14
cbx33indeed11:14
cbx33now theres a guy who knows his stuff :p11:14
Gloubiboulgahello11:15
cbx33I also get this : unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}11:15
cbx33but it seems a lot of packages on the net get that too and seem to ignore it11:16
dholbachnative packages are mostly a sign of something done wrong :)11:16
cbx33grreeaattt !11:17
dholbachif you have an upstream tarball, unpack it, move it to   package_version.orig.tar.gz11:17
dholbachthen copy your debian/ dir into the unpacked source11:17
dholbachthen run    debuild -S -sa11:17
cbx33what's the sa option do?11:17
dholbachvoil! nice source packagae with .diff.gz11:17
cbx33dholbach: I wrote the package11:17
cbx33I hold the source11:17
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cbx33I'm creating the first deb of it11:17
dholbachoh ok, if you don't want to have a real source tarball, or want to ship the debian/ dir with the tarball, then that's fine11:17
cbx33hmm11:18
cbx33I would like a real source tarball11:18
dholbachthe problem is just, that if you do a ubuntu revision with a change in debian/rules (for example), you will always have to upload a new tarball11:18
cbx33and indeed my .orig.tar.gz has no debian folder11:18
jsgotangcowelcome to package management 10111:18
dholbachif you separate it like that, you get a .orig.tar.gz, a .diff.gz and a.dsc11:18
dholbachwhich is nice11:18
dholbachthat's what   -sa   is for11:19
cbx33dholbach: yes that's what I want11:19
cbx33ah11:19
cbx33so I should be building with -sa11:19
cbx33instead of just -S11:19
dholbachif you do with -sa the .orig.tar.gz gets uploaded too11:19
cbx33-S -sa11:19
cbx33ah I see11:19
dholbachwith -S you only upload the .diff.gz and .dsc11:19
dholbach(if the .orig.tar.gz is in the archive already)11:19
cbx33ok I'm going to just run it again now11:19
cbx33i get it11:19
cbx33i think11:19
cbx33what about the unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} ?11:19
cbx33is that anything to worry about?11:19
cbx33I think I've cleared almost all lintian warnings now! - though that one isn't a linitian warning11:20
cbx33dholbach: I still got W: gisomount source: native-package-with-dash-version when building the source package???11:21
dholbachdid you rename the tarball to package_version.orig.tar.gz?11:21
Toadstooldholbach: leading a spontaneous motu-school session? :)11:22
dholbachpackage_upstreamversion.orig.tar.gz?11:22
cbx33it was already named that way11:22
cbx33ah11:22
dholbachwhat is the filename?11:22
dholbachah ok11:22
dholbachToadstool: not really11:22
cbx33it'sw named gisomount-1.0.1.tar.gz11:22
cbx33does it need to be _11:22
dholbachToadstool: i'm quite busy with 35 new gnome tarballs11:22
Toadstoolwow11:22
dholbachgisomount_1.0.1.orig.tar.gz11:22
cbx33yikes, I'll leave you alone :p11:22
dholbachdon't worry11:22
cbx33:D11:23
cbx33ok so that's that error out the way11:23
cbx33thanks dholbach11:23
dholbachde rien11:23
cbx33what about the unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}11:23
cbx33should I worry about that dholbach ?11:23
Gloubiboulgacbx33, don't worry about that$11:24
cbx33ok excellent11:24
Gloubiboulgas/that$/that11:24
Toadstoolhey Gloubiboulga11:24
cbx33then I declare gisomount officialy deb'd11:24
Gloubiboulgahi Toadstool11:24
Toadstoolcbx33: cool :)11:24
cbx33I think LaserJock is goign to upload it to universe sometime soon11:24
Toadstooldholbach: good luck with gnome stuff11:25
Gloubiboulgacbx33, is this a NEW package in ubuntu?11:25
cbx33yes11:25
jsgotangcohis personal pet project11:25
cbx33:D11:25
cbx33my first python app/first package :D11:25
slomocbx33: where's your package?11:26
cbx33on my hdd at the moment :p11:26
cbx33just building it for the last time11:26
cbx33it's not 100% complete, needs a little tidying11:26
cbx33but ogra was keen to get it into universe early11:27
slomohttp://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy  <--- did you keep that in mind for packaging?11:27
cbx33yes i did11:27
slomook, perfect :)11:27
cbx33LaserJock is kind of co-writing the package with me....giving me guidence....11:27
cbx33he hasn;t actually written a line of code yet :D11:27
cbx33but has provided some great features11:28
cbx33:D package passes flying colours11:28
cbx33slomo: does that policy require that someone use setup.py ?11:49
slomono11:49
cbx33good good11:49
slomoit requires nothing on the upstream side, only for packaging11:50
cbx33i have followed most of those11:50
cbx33slomo can i ask a questions11:50
cbx33in the updating your pacakges section11:50
cbx33number 311:50
cbx33I'm a little confused?11:51
slomoprobably not relevant for your package11:51
cbx33ok11:51
cbx33however I do have a seperate module11:52
slomocould it be used from something else?11:52
cbx33which i suppose would be classed as private seing as no one else is going to want it11:52
slomook, then don't care about 3.11:52
cbx33ok cool11:52
cbx33what about the byte compile11:52
cbx33I presume I should do that?11:52
cbx33item 711:52
cbx33and my last question is about the Section: field in the control file?  -   what do I put in there?11:53
slomoyes, use dh_pycentral or dh_pysupport and dh_python11:53
slomoand section will get whatever section your package should go to :) what does it do?11:54
cbx33it's a gui mounter for isos11:54
cbx33its a utility11:54
cbx33utils?11:54
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AnAntwhat is the difference between current uploads & archived uploads ?11:55
AnAntone of my recent uploads I found it under archived uploads.11:55
slomocbx33: does it need gnome? does it need X?11:55
slomofirst case: gnome, second case: x11, otherwise utils should be fine too11:56
cbx33whats the diff between pycentral and pysupport ??yes i need gnome and X12:00
GloubiboulgaAnAnt, which package isit?12:01
slomocbx33: so make it section gnome12:01
slomocbx33: and i have no idea what the real difference between both is ;) just use whatever you want :)12:02
Gloubiboulgawe archive when the package has been uploaded to the repos12:02
cbx33slomo: it's knowing where to start12:05
cbx33i knew I'd have to use one or the other :p12:06
cbx33slomo: I presume we have to use a lightly modified debhelper version12:07
cbx33like 5.0.712:07
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cbx33as 5.0.37.2 isn't in ubuntu12:07
slomoit is12:07
slomoand you need it ;)12:07
cbx33oh12:08
slomoand i prefer python-central if that helps you :)12:08
cbx33:S12:08
cbx33ok cool I'll go with that12:08
cbx33I did a dpkg -l | grep debhelper12:08
cbx33and got 5.0.712:08
slomoare you on edgy?12:08
cbx33ah no12:08
cbx33crap12:08
slomook ;)12:08
cbx33Grrrr12:08
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cbx33I have a perfect pacakge for dapper :p12:09
Toadstoolit won't be too hard to make it perfect for edgy then ;)12:10
cbx33nope12:10
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cbx33ok guys, I think i cheated last time12:13
cbx33what's the proper way to ubild an edgy chroot12:13
cbx33when my debootstrap package doesn't have an edgy script12:13
cbx33last time I downloaded the source for the edgy debootstrap pacakge and nicked the script - what's the official way12:13
Toadstoolbuild a dapper chroot and dist-upgrade it to edgy? :)12:14
phanaticcbx33: there is a tutorial in the wiki. build a dapper chroot, the upgrade it12:14
phanatics/the/then12:14
cbx33phanatic: that makes perfect sense12:14
Gloubiboulgahello phanatic :)12:14
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phanatichey Gloubiboulga :)12:14
slomocbx33: or simply copy the dapper script and s/dapper/edgy/12:15
cbx33will that work?12:15
slomoyes12:15
cbx33ok12:16
slomounless is not bootstrapable atm ;)12:16
tsengwe should put debootstrap in dapper-updates12:16
tsenga little lat enow12:16
Toadstoolslomo: uh... i'm not sure s/dapper/edgy/ works...12:16
slomoToadstool: it worked for me *shrug* :)12:17
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Toadstooldapper -> gcc-4.0, edgy -> gcc-4.1, isn't it an issue for instance?12:18
tseng?12:18
Toadstool(if you don't upgrade you chroot before using it)12:18
imbrandon_s/dapper/edgy works thats how i did my chroot12:18
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imbrandon_Toadstool, why would that matter, if your dis-upgrading the chroot12:19
imbrandon_it will make it 4.112:19
imbrandon_s/dis-/dist-12:20
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Toadstoolimbrandon_: yeah I dist-upgraded my dapper chroot too, but slomo was speaking about s/dapper/edgy/ in the debootstrap script and I was wondering whether it wouldn't lead to some glitches if you don't upgrade it before using it (which is more or less the same thing as dist-upgrading a dapper chroot :)12:22
Hobbseehi again all12:23
Toadstoolhey Hobbsee12:23
imbrandon_heya Hobbsee12:23
Hobbseehey Toadstool :)  imbrandon_12:23
imbrandon_Toadstool, ahh i thought we was talking chroot not debootstrap, i got arround that by installing edgy debootstrap in dapper ;)12:23
imbrandon_may not be the "correct" way but it worked12:24
cbx33imbrandon_: yup12:24
Toadstoolheh12:24
cbx33that's what I did last time12:24
imbrandon_btw Hobbsee i watched it and billie/rose doesnt die ;)12:26
imbrandon_;)12:26
Hobbseeimbrandon_: oh good12:26
imbrandon_shhhhhh i dident say that12:26
cbx33ok this is strange12:27
cbx33the dapper script doesn't have the word dapper in it?12:27
imbrandon_it gets it from the pbuilderrc and/or from the -dapper in the script name ( not the top )12:27
imbrandon_s/not/note12:27
cbx33it does it by name :D12:27
cbx33yes i just realise12:28
imbrandon_made so you can make pbuilder-sid or pbuilder-breezy etc12:28
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imbrandon_wb12:28
Hobbseebleh.  kdesktop or something froze12:29
AnAntGloubiboulga: lftp12:38
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AnAntGloubiboulga: sorry I was away12:38
AnAntGloubiboulga: and no, I don't find it in the edgy repos12:38
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cbx33:(12:41
cbx33errors in installing some packages :(12:41
cbx33gnupg for one12:42
Hobbseecbx33: edgy?12:42
cbx33which is gonna put a spanner in the works12:42
cbx33yes12:42
cbx33:D12:42
cbx33a second run through and we're all ok12:42
Hobbsee--> malone12:42
Hobbseenothing's supposed to work.12:42
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cbx33hehehe12:44
Hobbsee:P12:45
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cbx33I'm getting a lintian error01:13
cbx33is this known about01:13
cbx33???01:14
cbx33 /bin/pwd: couldn't find directory entry in `../../../..' with matching i-node Use of uninitialized value in string at /usr/share/lintian/checks/cruft line 67.Can't stat : No such file or directory01:14
seaLnehas anyone come accros problems with "stack smashing detected" in programs is it default now?01:17
seaLneah https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/gcc-ssp :-/01:19
seaLneso anyone know what to do if a program in a package fails due to this01:20
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highvoltagecrimsun: hi there02:01
\shhighvoltage: congrats to your new business :)02:20
jsgotangcoyes in a few years we will be sending our resumes to him02:21
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highvoltage\sh: thanks!02:33
highvoltagejsgotangco: we can only hope ;)02:33
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GloubiboulgaI thought that dist-upgrading would be more painful03:00
Gloubiboulgaeverything works, that's not funny :)03:01
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bddebianHeya gang03:47
Gloubiboulgahi bddebian03:47
bddebianHeya Gloubiboulga03:48
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jsgotangcogoodnight04:13
Hobbseenight jsgotangco04:13
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=== Hobbsee looks around for a MOTU
=== fowlduck waves to Hobbsee
Hobbseehey fowlduck05:03
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Hobbseehi sharms05:04
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tsenghe doesnt have a name05:04
tsenguseful.05:04
Hobbseeah05:04
Hobbseehi tseng05:04
tseng[freenode]  -|-  ircname  : mindwarp05:05
sharmsI am just a hopefully, nothing to see here05:05
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sharmserr hopeful05:05
tsengit would be helpful to have a real name in /whois05:05
Hobbseesharms: bah.  you're still a person.  i just havent seen your nick around here much before05:05
tsengso we know who you are :)05:05
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sharmstseng: will do05:05
sharmsat any rate real name = Steven Harms05:06
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tsengthanks.05:07
Yagisanfowlduck: I've actually *seen* her, outside of IRC. I can confirm that she is a she05:08
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Yagisanand not one of the many impostors on the net05:08
Yagisanwelcome to the Internet, were the men are men, the women are men, and little girls are FBI agents ;)05:09
Hobbseefowlduck: hehe, a lot dont.  it's easier that way.05:10
HobbseeYagisan: hehe05:10
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Hobbseeyeah, guess i have been seen now.  hmm.05:10
linuxmonkeyHobbsee:  ofcourse not your an A.S.I.S05:11
Hobbseeheh05:12
linuxmonkeyyour from australia05:12
linuxmonkey?05:12
Hobbseeyes05:12
linuxmonkeyhttp://www.asis.gov.au/05:12
Yagisanlinuxmonkey: ASIS == Aussie CIA, You'd be thinking more of AFP instead05:13
linuxmonkeyoh es05:13
linuxmonkeyyes05:13
Yagisanalthough if memory serves, it's closer in function to MI6 in Britain05:14
linuxmonkeylol05:14
sharmsI am from Michigan05:14
sharmswe are getting a new google building supposedly05:14
YagisanI had an interview with intelligence services once, they had men with machine guns pointed at me when I walked in the door =-O05:15
YagisanI didn't get the job though. Some sort of ethics issue05:17
Hobbseeeek05:17
Yagisanshould we trust him - he looks like he enjoys it too much05:17
Yagisannah, lets give it to the older guy05:17
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Yagisanit was helpdesk too. I mean WTF ? helpdesk.05:18
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sharmsthat is odd05:23
cbx33:(05:24
cbx33my chroot won't connect to the outiside world now I'm home :(05:24
cbx33DNs resolution failure05:24
cbx33I've modified the resolv.conf05:24
cbx33what else could be wrong05:24
cbx33fixed :D05:25
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sharmswhat was wrong?05:28
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bddebianLaserJock!!05:41
LaserJockhi bddebian05:41
bddebianLaserJock: I just got an e-mail that they merged my .desktop file in polyxmass-bin :-(05:41
LaserJockbddebian: \o/05:42
cbx33hey LaserJock05:42
bddebianLaserJock: No, this is in Debian ;-P05:42
cbx33:( - package was done05:42
cbx33then I noticed some things I'd missed in the new debian policy for python docs05:42
cbx33now I'm stuck05:42
cbx33:(05:42
LaserJockhaha05:43
LaserJocksorry, I was to go over that today myself05:43
cbx33it's ok05:43
cbx33I wanted to ask you05:43
cbx33our config module, is strictly for gisomount05:43
cbx33in that case, it's a private module right05:44
cbx33and in that case it shouldn't go in site-packages05:44
cbx33where should it go?05:44
LaserJockI asked myself that very same question last night, let me pull it up05:45
cbx33cool05:46
cbx33and also how familiar are you with py_central05:46
cbx33:p05:46
LaserJockI"m not, yet05:46
cbx33you're gonna have to be :p05:46
LaserJocklooks like /usr/share/gisomount/05:47
cbx33ok that's cool05:47
cbx33it's looking more and more like we're going to have to use setup.py05:47
LaserJockI know, I need to get that package I maintain in debian up to speed05:47
cbx33because modules need to be byte compiled now for python05:47
cbx33I have a small problem with my edgy chroot too, but it's a linitian issue I'm not sure why05:48
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LaserJockcbx33: the modules are automatically byte compiled with dh_python05:49
cbx33but is that assuming they are define in setup.py?05:49
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cbx33how do i tell it :p05:50
LaserJockcbx33: no05:50
cbx33ok cool05:50
cbx33I just read man05:50
cbx33I'll give it a shot05:50
LaserJockmaybe it's true, but I didn't think so05:51
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cbx33hmmm05:52
cbx33LaserJock, are you busy?05:52
cbx33or is that a silly question05:52
cbx33:p05:52
LaserJockI've actually just woken up05:52
cbx33ok nm05:53
LaserJockso ask away before I'm busy ;-)05:53
cbx33can I send you a tar of everythin so you can take a quick look?05:53
LaserJockbtw, the debian-python list is full of "Oh my gosh, what do I do now?" emails ;-)05:53
cbx33hahah05:53
cbx33good :p05:54
bddebianI'm sure05:54
LaserJockI'm guess we can find some stuff there05:54
cbx33I'm confused and I just had it all sorted05:54
cbx33I'm tarring my build dir now05:54
LaserJockI think this new policy will be good for us05:55
LaserJockbut we just need to figure it out05:55
bddebianAye05:56
cbx33yeh05:58
cbx33http://www.progbox.co.uk/gisomount-build2.tar.gz05:58
cbx33see what you think LaserJock05:58
LaserJockhmm, what's the *i386 stuff about?06:01
cbx33yeh06:02
cbx33that was when I was using any instead of all06:03
cbx33for the arch06:03
cbx33:D06:03
cbx33ignore it06:03
cbx33I havn't had a chance to clean up the dr yet06:03
cbx33if you do a dpkg -c on the deb06:04
cbx33you can see it's changing the directory that it wants to put it in06:04
cbx33and it's putting it in pycentral06:04
cbx33:S06:05
LaserJockinteresting06:06
cbx33and I need to pull out the configure and stamp bits from rules06:06
cbx33I made the man page earlier to fix that linitian warning06:06
cbx33from the dh_pycentral man page "dh_pycentral is a debhelper program that will scan your package, detect public Python modules and move them in /usr/share/pycentral so that python-central can byte-compile those for all supported Python versions. Extensions are kept into the original installation location."06:08
LaserJockright06:08
cbx33but the the compiled versions don't show up in the dpkg -c ?06:08
cbx33should they?06:08
LaserJockno06:08
cbx33ok06:08
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cbx33s/and/an06:09
LaserJockthe .py will be compilled postinstall by pycentral on the users machine06:09
cbx33ok06:09
cbx33I can remove my prerm06:09
cbx33since dh_pycentral should take care of that now06:09
LaserJockpostinst I would think as well06:10
FunnyLookinHatHey guys....   Anyone care to comment on why MythTV version .19 isn't in the repos?06:10
cbx33i never had one of those06:10
LaserJockdid you manual build in this dir06:11
cbx33nope06:11
bddebianDamnit, I can't get to my machine at home :-(06:11
LaserJocklooks like it's got all the automatically added stuff06:11
cbx33it has06:11
cbx33:p06:11
cbx33I havn't cleaned it all up yet06:11
LaserJockbddebian: dang, I hate that06:11
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cbx33ok LaserJock06:12
cbx33i need to put pygtk as a dependency06:12
cbx33manually?06:12
cbx33seeing as it didn;t pick that up06:12
cbx33and glade too06:12
LaserJockyep06:14
cbx33python-glade2 and python-gtk2 ---- I don;t need python2.4-glade2 or python2.4-gtk2 ?06:14
cbx33which do I use ?06:14
LaserJockpython-glade2 and python-gtk206:14
cbx33ok06:14
cbx33swat I thought06:14
cbx33shouldn't the depends script pick that up in the control file?06:15
cbx33LaserJock, how do you in a control file tell it to install those pacakges06:16
cbx33I get06:16
cbx33 gisomount depends on python-glade2; however:06:16
cbx33  Package python-glade2 is not installed.06:16
cbx33 gisomount depends on python-gtk2; however:06:16
cbx33  Package python-gtk2 is not installed.06:16
LaserJockwhat do you have installed?06:17
cbx33none06:17
Amaranthhow do you not have those installed? kubuntu?06:17
cbx33it's the first time I installed gisomount in my new chroot06:17
Amaranthoh06:17
cbx33:p06:17
cbx33normally it will say I'm goingto install these as well06:17
cbx33how do I get it to do that?06:17
LaserJockapt-get -f install will grab deps06:18
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bluefoxicyargh help I forgot the dpkg-buildpackage command again06:18
cbx33but it noramlly does that by default for most pacakges06:18
bluefoxicy-S -something -something -rfakeroot06:18
LaserJockbluefoxicy: debuild -S works06:18
bluefoxicyLaserJock:  last I used debuild it broke but I guess I can try again.06:18
LaserJockdepends on what exactly you want to do :-)06:18
bluefoxicytrying to build a source package for revu06:19
cbx33do you know what I mean LaserJock06:19
bluefoxicyyeah06:19
bluefoxicyLaserJock:  debuild gets a fatal error still.06:19
LaserJockbluefoxicy: debuild -S -sa06:19
LaserJockbluefoxicy: wha?06:19
LaserJocksomethings wrong then06:19
bluefoxicygpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use06:19
bluefoxicydebsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....06:19
bluefoxicy(oddly enough running dpkg-buildpackage brings up the agent)06:20
LaserJockoh, well that's your issue, not debuilds06:20
bluefoxicywell06:20
LaserJockodd06:20
bluefoxicyif I don't run or install seahorse it does the same thing.06:20
LaserJockcan you debsign?06:20
bluefoxicyI actually installed seahorse to try and get it to listen06:20
bluefoxicyyeah debsign works06:20
hubGloubiboulga: regarding http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2419, it is already for edgy06:20
hubGloubiboulga: what is the problem?06:20
LaserJockodd, since debuild is a wrapper for dpkg-buildpackage+lintian+debsign06:21
bluefoxicyI know.06:21
Hobbseehub: does it say edgy or dapper in the changelog?06:21
bluefoxicyit's very odd because debsign fails06:21
LaserJockbluefoxicy: well, whatever. you need -S -sa -rfakeroot06:21
bluefoxicybut if I run debsign on its own it works.06:21
hubHobbsee: it does say edgy06:21
LaserJockbluefoxicy: I guess dbuild must be passing something bad to debsign06:22
Hobbseehub: ah okay - i just took a guess, didnt dpkg-source it06:22
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Gloubiboulgahub, I was talking about standars/debhelper compat actually06:22
cbx33LaserJock, so is there no way to make it automatically install the python pacakges unless06:22
cbx33unles we use -f?06:22
Gloubiboulgahub, but it wasn't obvious at all, I admit ;)06:22
LaserJockcbx33: what?06:22
LaserJockcbx33: it's looking good06:22
cbx33it's funny if you install compiz-gnome it automatically installs compiz06:23
cbx33can we do that for gisomount and the python deps06:23
cbx33so it doesn't fail06:23
cbx33but says I'm gonna install these for you?06:23
LaserJockcbx33: in Depends: in debian/control06:23
hubGloubiboulga: what is the standard version exepcted?06:23
cbx33LaserJock, they are listed in my version06:23
LaserJockcbx33: then they will be installed :-)06:24
LaserJockhub: 2.7.2 I believe06:24
cbx33Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python-glade2, python-gtk206:24
cbx33is the line06:24
LaserJockgreat06:24
hubLaserJock: which is lower than 3.6.106:24
cbx33but I get dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gisomount:06:24
cbx33 gisomount depends on python-glade2; however:06:24
cbx33  Package python-glade2 is not installed.06:24
cbx33 gisomount depends on python-gtk2; however:06:24
cbx33  Package python-gtk2 is not installed.06:24
cbx33dpkg: error processing gisomount (--install):06:24
hubLaserJock: which is lower than 3.6.206:24
cbx33sorry for the flood guys06:24
LaserJockhub: doh, sorry 3.7.206:24
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hubwhere is the list?06:24
LaserJockcbx33: right, that happens because you are using dpkg ;-)06:25
LaserJockhub: list of what?06:25
cbx33ah06:25
cbx33ok np06:25
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cbx33thanks of course06:25
cbx33I'm so stupid06:25
hubLaserJock: standards version and compat06:25
LaserJockhub: look at the Debian changelog for debian-policy and debhelper respectively06:25
hubhow would one guess?06:26
Hobbseecurrent compat is what?  5?06:26
cbx33LaserJock, I think we're getting there06:26
cbx33will python look in pycentral for modules by default?06:26
Hobbseeit's not 3, i know that much06:26
Hobbseeit's either 4 or 506:26
LaserJockyeah, compat is 5 and standards version is 3.7.206:26
Gloubiboulga'apt-cache policy debian-policy' gives the Standards-Version06:26
LaserJockGloubiboulga: only for your current system ;-)06:27
Hobbseeright06:27
GloubiboulgaLaserJock, right, but I'm on edgy ^^06:27
hubGloubiboulga: given that I still build on dapper06:27
Hobbseeyou can still get at all that thru pbuilder login06:27
LaserJockor look at the Debian changelog, it's not that hard folks ;-)06:28
LaserJockhttp://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debian-policy.html06:28
hubthat does not talk about Edgy06:28
hub*sigh*06:28
LaserJockEdgy has nothing to do with it06:28
LaserJockEdgy uses the Debian unstable version06:29
hubgiven the request, it has06:29
hub"update for edgy" was the request06:29
LaserJockright06:29
LaserJockand edgy comes from Debian unstable06:29
LaserJockwe don't change Debian's policy06:29
hubdebian stable change every day06:29
cbx33LaserJock, it seems to sork06:30
cbx33s/sork/work06:30
cbx33:D06:30
LaserJockthe point is, look towards Debian when you need Standards Version and compat06:30
LaserJockbecause they determine the policy for those06:30
LaserJockand we shouldn't be deviating from that06:31
cbx33LaserJock, will gisomount goto REVU ?06:31
LaserJockcbx33: if you upload it ;-)06:31
cbx33should it !06:31
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cbx33s/!/?06:31
Yagisancbx33: load it up06:32
cbx33nooooo...I'm scared06:32
cbx33got some cleaning up to do yet06:32
LaserJockcbx33: go for it, we can thrash it and then you can upload again06:32
cbx33as LaserJock can see06:32
Yagisancbx33: who knows, maybe someone will actually look at it :-P06:32
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LaserJockclean it up as well as you can, then upload it06:32
cbx33ok06:32
cbx33:S06:32
Gloubiboulgahub, I thought you was aware of the versions we use, that's why I've not commented much, sorry06:32
Yagisancbx33: (I think they squeeze revu in, like 30 minutes before edgy closes)06:33
cbx33:p06:33
LaserJockYagisan: bah, not always. don't be scarring contributors off like that ;-)06:33
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YagisanLaserJock: I'm one of the contributors!!06:33
hubGloubiboulga: uploaded a new version06:33
cbx33not worth it :p06:33
Yagisancbx33: don't be such as wuss, how can it be worse then mine ?06:34
cbx33LaserJock, all the conifugre and build stuff can go can't it?06:34
cbx33in the ruls file?06:34
LaserJockdon't get rid of the rules themselves06:34
LaserJockjust leave them empty06:34
cbx33just make them blank06:34
cbx33yeh sure06:34
cbx33but like build-stamp06:35
cbx33is that needed?06:35
LaserJockit helps make sure you don't try to build twice06:35
azeemonly if you do real work in it06:35
LaserJockright06:35
cbx33ok06:35
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LaserJockcbx33: wrt, " will python look in pycentral for modules by default?"06:37
siretartany kubuntu guy interested in having an updated xine? :P06:37
siretarts/guy/dev/06:37
LaserJockhehe, is that a hint siretart06:37
LaserJockcbx33: I believe pycentral will compile the module and install it in the right places06:38
siretartslomo: no. serious. I don't know if I will have time tomorrow to merge xine06:38
siretartand thu is the deadline :(06:39
cbx33LaserJock, yes it does06:39
cbx33:D06:39
cbx33do they have to have pycentral on their machine though?06:39
siretartif somebody else wants to merge it, I have a bzr branch with 1.1.2 xine for debian ready06:39
LaserJockcbx33: right06:40
slomosiretart: i don't have any time for it neither :( i'll write an exam tomorrow. did you already ask in #kubuntu-dev?06:41
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LaserJockbbl06:42
cbx33ok06:42
siretartslomo: not yet, but need to run now06:42
slomosiretart: ok, i'll ask there06:42
siretartthanks06:42
siretartI'll see if I can come online later again, but no promises06:43
cbx33slomo, I think I'm getting there :p06:43
cbx33I think I conform to the New Policy now :D06:43
cbx33if we use pycentral, does that mean they have to have that instlaled on their machine to install tha package?06:43
siretartslomo: I have updated my branches on tauware, just in case you find someone ;)06:44
slomocbx33: yes and you have it already installed on edgy anyway... together with python-support ;)06:44
cbx33ok excellent06:45
cbx33then it's all coming together nicely06:45
cbx33could have a pckage ready by the end of the day06:45
cbx33if I'm using gisomount.dirs and gisomount.install06:46
cbx33can i delete the dirs and files and docs files that the automatica process generated06:46
cbx33?06:46
cbx33actually06:47
cbx33I think i need all but dirs06:47
bluefoxicy........06:48
bluefoxicysynaptic says there is a new package "python-pyorbit-omg"06:48
cbx33it's ok I'm just going crazy06:48
cbx33heh06:48
bluefoxicy"OMG standard files"06:48
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slomobluefoxicy: so what? :)06:49
bluefoxicyslomo:  omg, I dunno wtf?06:49
tsenghah shut up bluefoxicy06:49
slomobluefoxicy: www.omg.org :P06:50
bluefoxicytseng omg hi :)06:50
sharmsoh for a second I thought I was in #ubuntu by the "omg"'s06:51
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zulhttp://www.sungate.co.uk/?p=25607:05
sharmsnice article but the page design is bad07:08
cbx33hi all07:35
cbx33what does the dirs file do in the debian foldeR?07:35
bddebianMakes the dirs for your package07:37
cbx33if I have a package.dirs file07:38
cbx33do i need it?07:38
bddebian?07:38
cbx33in my debian folder i have07:38
cbx33gisomount.dirs07:38
cbx33and gisomount.install07:38
bddebianOne of the debhelper scripts (dh_install I think) uses them to create the dirs and files that go into the package07:39
bddebianI assume you also have a gisomount.files ?07:39
cbx33nope07:39
bddebianOh, maybe it's just dh_installdirs that uses it?07:39
bddebianI don't have my machine handy to check :-(07:39
Gloubiboulgadh_installdirs create the dirs07:39
Gloubiboulgalisted in package.dirs07:40
cbx33ok07:40
bddebianGloubiboulga: thanks07:40
cbx33so i can remove the dirs folder07:40
cbx33file07:40
bddebianIf you are creating the dirs and not using dh_installdirs, sure07:40
cbx33I'm using dh_installdirs, which uses the package.dirs file, so the single file called dirs can go07:41
cbx33?07:41
bddebianOooh, sorry I misunderstood you.  Yes, I think so07:42
cbx33hehe ok thanks07:42
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LaserJockraphink: ping?08:31
LaserJockraphink: unping, sorry ;-)08:32
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LaserJockand revu admins awake?08:58
zulmmmmm....xen....xen-headers-2.6.16-1_2.6.16-1_i386.deb08:58
linuxmonkeyLaserJock: no I shot em all09:00
LaserJockdoh09:00
linuxmonkeyi shot em in the foot so they should be back soon09:01
zulamd then bddebian ate their babies09:02
FunnyLookinHatAnyone here in charge of MythTV ?09:03
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LaserJockzul: ewww09:04
zulyeah...i thought so too09:04
Yagisanso, zul, you actually get bddebian on film eating those babies ?09:08
LaserJockI'm sure it's on a blog somewhere09:09
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Yagisanonly a blog ? but how am I supposed to kick back and watch while eating popcorn with two hands :(09:11
zulYagisan: no but i bet its on youtube somewhere09:11
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LaserJocklol, I did a google search for "bddebian eats babies"09:14
LaserJockand got "Did you mean: debian eats babies"09:14
Yagisanheh09:14
cbx33like that would give any better results09:15
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crimsun_bockman: I've pinged the ftp admin several times, but he hasn't responded yet (probably due to being incredibly busy)10:07
bockmanbureaucracy :\10:09
lloydinhocrimsun: He is in the Community Council meeting right now.10:09
lloydinhoIt's not really that bureaucratic..10:09
bockmanwell this is taking as long as one, you'd think it would be10:10
crimsun_bockman: no, elmo's just incredibly busy. I've done all I can do, but I'll ask someone else to retry the upload with their own sig.10:11
LaserJockcrimsun_: what's up?10:12
tsengafaik elmo doesnt do archive maintainance in ubuntu10:12
tsengkeybuk and infinity do10:12
bockmanwell i know you've done your part in speedily taking care of this, crimsun_10:12
bockmani'm just kind of frustrated.10:12
crimsun_tseng: I think he still does for -security (at least I was directed to him by pitti)10:12
bddebianAck WTF did I miss? :-)10:12
tsengbddebian: crying.10:12
tsengcrimsun_: maybe old -security is still on the old infrastructure10:13
tsengfor breezy and such10:13
crimsun_tseng: no idea, but this is a breezy-security upload, true10:13
tsengand only elmo can speak to that10:14
tsengor so we are led to believe10:14
bddebiantseng: Who is crying?10:14
LaserJockhehe10:15
tsengbddebian: you.10:15
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LaserJockI'm tempted to say something related to zul's earlier comment, but I won;t10:15
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tseng.10:16
tsengoops.10:16
crimsun_LaserJock: security fixes. Got a second to recreate a source package for me, sign it, and upload to security.upload.ubuntu.com?10:16
crimsun_fwiw bddebian also signed and uploaded it, and it mysteriously was blackholed for his u. Go figurepload10:17
crimsunwow, talk about crack termcap10:18
LaserJockcrimsun_: I suppose I could, but I'd rather somebody more experienced *cough*tseng*cough* did it. ;-)10:18
tsengI could, but not here10:18
tsengI dont leave gpg keys lying around at work10:18
cbx33tseng, good plan10:20
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LaserJocktseng: no?10:20
tsengLaserJock: not now, no10:21
tsengin a few hours maybe10:21
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LaserJockhmm10:25
LaserJockI wonder where he went10:25
tseng"back to work."10:25
bddebiancrimsun: ?10:30
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bddebianWell another machine dead from trying to dist-upgrade to Edgy :'-(10:31
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bddebianAnyone have an Edgy machine or Edgy chroot or pbuilder login handy?10:38
robyes10:38
bddebianWould you mind doing an apt-cache madison on gcl and seeing if the -17 version is in the archive yet?10:38
LaserJockbddebian: not one that I want to give you as guinea pig for your sick plan to take over the world ;-)10:38
Yagisanrob: ?? you actually are here ?10:39
bddebianLaserJock: mwuhahaha10:39
robsure :)10:40
crimsunbddebian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gcl/2.6.7-17ubuntu110:41
LaserJockppc :(10:42
bddebiancrimsun: I know it built successfully but it wasn't in the archive last night10:42
rob (edgychroot)root@graybox:~# apt-cache madison gcl10:42
rob       gcl |   2.6.7-17 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages10:42
rob       gcl |   2.6.7-17 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Sources10:42
bddebianAnd all my machines are now dead or inaccessable at the moment :-(10:42
bddebianThanks rob10:42
crimsunit's not a successful build.10:43
robnp10:43
bddebianWell on MY arch it is ;-P10:43
bddebianGBC is not enabled?  WTF is that? :)10:47
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Sp4rKybddebian, ping ?11:30
LaserJockbddebian: oh what ever11:58
bddebianHeh11:59
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