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| porkpie | Hi ...I have tried to install ubuntu server on 2 compaq dl360's so far and they have both failed when detecting cdrom. Can anyone advise please | 12:21 |
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| toggles | anyone know why `apt-get install mon` fails when it's listed here http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/mon | 01:34 |
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| toggles | ahhh, it's ~x86, i see.. | 02:02 |
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| J_P | hi all | 01:48 |
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| studprog | Hi ... i don't know if this is the right channel - but a request in #ubuntu came out silent.... I'm looking for some help about preseeding an Ubuntu Dapper installation ... | 02:08 |
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| studprog | anybody here gurus in debian-installer preseeding syntax | 02:09 |
| lionelp | Hi studprog | 02:10 |
| studprog | hi ;-) | 02:10 |
| lionelp | never tried myself, but there was a good article on the subject here : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 | 02:10 |
| studprog | lionelp: yep ... i have noticed it -- but debconf-get-selections --installer came out with the following err :debconf: DbDriver "di_questions": could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat | 02:12 |
| lionelp | studprog: you should sudo debconf-... | 02:13 |
| studprog | and just running debconf-get-selections just posts all components set with "select" as option ... | 02:13 |
| studprog | lionelp: i did | 02:13 |
| lionelp | strange, it works here... | 02:15 |
| studprog | the folder /var/log/installer/cdebconf does not exsist ---i think it is removed by the installer afterwards (there was a security issue previously about the fact that the root password was readable in the questions file after installation)) | 02:15 |
| studprog | lionelp: you run dapper ? - or have you upgraded from e.g. breezy | 02:15 |
| lionelp | dapper | 02:16 |
| lionelp | I can check on an upgraded breezy | 02:16 |
| studprog | ok ...thats odd ... i'm running a newly installed dapper - and there is no cdebconf dir ... only 3 files - partman, syslog and version | 02:17 |
| lionelp | It also works on an upgraded breezy | 02:17 |
| lionelp | hum... you are right ! | 02:18 |
| lionelp | (it was not a stable dapper when it was installed on my desktop) | 02:18 |
| studprog | ahh... | 02:18 |
| studprog | so all i have from the installer files is logging by something called Ubiquity | 02:19 |
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| studprog | anyways ... what i really would like was to have some command in the preseed file that would let me know that the file actually was read.. | 02:20 |
| lionelp | studprog: with Ubiquity, be do not run Debian Installer | 02:20 |
| lionelp | so... | 02:20 |
| lionelp | :) | 02:20 |
| studprog | ?? | 02:21 |
| lionelp | Ubiquity is not debian installer | 02:21 |
| lionelp | If you want to have preseed from debian installer, i think you should install with the alternate cd (which installs with Debian Installer) | 02:22 |
| studprog | ahh ... i though Ubiquity was some sort of logger .... so it's an installer ?? .... all pages i've seen state that ubuntu either uses debian-installer syntax or something called Kickstart... | 02:22 |
| lionelp | yes, it is the new graphical installer run from the desktop-cd | 02:23 |
| studprog | ok -- but i'm installing via PXE -- and i get the text-based installer ... is that d-i or does ubi* also have a textmode ? | 02:24 |
| lionelp | d-i | 02:29 |
| lionelp | ubi is graphical | 02:29 |
| studprog | ok -- so i should focus on finding the right commands for d-i | 02:29 |
| lionelp | I am not sure I understand what you mean | 02:30 |
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| studprog | sorry for the delay - a coworker had some questions | 02:44 |
| studprog | lionelp: well -- i'll go browse the web for some example preseed files (using the d-i syntax) then | 02:45 |
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| screeb | hi ! | 03:44 |
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| screeb | I don't have lot of feadback on the idea of packaging e-smith for ubuntu (a web based server managment interface) | 03:55 |
| screeb | is there anyone interested in this project here? :) | 03:56 |
| lionelp | Hi screeb | 03:58 |
| studprog | hmm ... now it seems that i got past the language selection -- but i've also noticed that my preseed file isn't read ... i use the following parameter to invoke the preseed : preseed/url=http://installserver/preseed -- but from the accesslogs i can see that it's never read during install ;-// | 03:58 |
| lionelp | e-mith is a Linux distribution, I do not understand your will to package. package what ? | 03:59 |
| lionelp | I may be missing something :) | 03:59 |
| screeb | I want to package all administration tools of this distribution and adapt to ubuntu | 04:00 |
| lionelp | screeb: e-smith is now called SME Server by the way :) | 04:01 |
| screeb | yes | 04:01 |
| screeb | dont have much time now | 04:04 |
| screeb | by! | 04:04 |
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| sharms | anyone here know someone who runs security.ubuntu.com that can let them know http is down? | 04:47 |
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| porkpie | Hi ...I have tried to install ubuntu server on 2 compaq dl360's so far and they have both failed when detecting cdrom. Can anyone advise please | 05:15 |
| ivoks | hm | 05:17 |
| porkpie | ivoks:it a bit of a strange problem | 05:18 |
| ivoks | g3? | 05:18 |
| porkpie | let me check | 05:18 |
| porkpie | ivoks:dam I can't tell | 05:19 |
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| ivoks | ok, no prob | 05:20 |
| ivoks | so, it boots instalation and then doesn't detect CD? | 05:20 |
| ivoks | cdrom | 05:20 |
| porkpie | yeah | 05:20 |
| ivoks | that's SCSI or ATAPI cdrom? | 05:20 |
| porkpie | scsi | 05:20 |
| ivoks | ad, i see | 05:21 |
| ivoks | sec | 05:21 |
| porkpie | ok | 05:21 |
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| ivoks | support for scsi cdrom is inside module | 05:22 |
| ivoks | try modprobing sd_mod after boot | 05:23 |
| ivoks | ctrl+alt+f2 | 05:23 |
| ivoks | modprobe sd_mod | 05:23 |
| porkpie | OK ..I will try it now | 05:25 |
| ivoks | can you do it while on IRC? | 05:26 |
| porkpie | yeah | 05:27 |
| ivoks | great | 05:27 |
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| porkpie | ivoks:whats the best version of ubuntu to use ? | 05:34 |
| ivoks | 6.06 | 05:34 |
| porkpie | where can I download it from | 05:35 |
| ivoks | ubuntu.com/download | 05:35 |
| porkpie | ivoks:is it the alternate iso | 05:38 |
| ivoks | it's ubuntu-server iso | 05:39 |
| ivoks | what processor is that? | 05:39 |
| ivoks | xeon with em64t? | 05:40 |
| porkpie | ivoksPIII | 05:40 |
| ivoks | then http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu-6.06-server-i386.iso | 05:40 |
| porkpie | OK ...I have that one ...I am just burning a new copy | 05:41 |
| ivoks | why/ | 05:42 |
| porkpie | ivoks:because I have scratched the other copy | 05:43 |
| porkpie | nearly done | 05:43 |
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| porkpie | Hi Ries | 05:44 |
| Ries | never knew there was this channel!!! ppl on #ubuntu didn't tell!!!! | 05:44 |
| Ries | hey porkpie | 05:44 |
| porkpie | ivoks:Ries is a big fan of ubuntu | 05:44 |
| ivoks | ok, but this isn't support channel | 05:45 |
| porkpie | I know | 05:45 |
| Ries | ivoks: well... on #ubuntu there are 800 ppl.... 750 are lurking.... and from teh 50 ppl about 1% answers questions about server :) | 05:46 |
| Ries | I prefere to make this a real ubuntu-server channel :) I had a question yesterday about software raid1, LVM and XFS.... noone could answer :S | 05:47 |
| Ries | however it works now | 05:47 |
| porkpie | ivoks:just booting into ubuntu now .....after the kernel has uncompressed....I use ctrl+alt+f2 ? | 05:52 |
| ivoks | just follow instalation and when it fails, then ctrl+alt+f2 | 05:53 |
| porkpie | ivoks:Hmm! tried the modprobe from the console but it just return to a #prompt | 06:00 |
| ivoks | that's ok | 06:00 |
| ivoks | now run dmesg | 06:01 |
| ivoks | and check if it detected CDROM | 06:01 |
| porkpie | Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods | 06:03 |
| ivoks | run lspci | 06:03 |
| ivoks | and report what SCSI controller you have | 06:04 |
| porkpie | Hmm! strange no SCSI controller | 06:05 |
| ivoks | take a better look | 06:05 |
| ivoks | it wouldn't boot from SCSI cdrom if there's no SCSI controller :) | 06:06 |
| porkpie | RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53C1510 (rev 02) | 06:07 |
| nihilocrat | 'lshw | less' might also help | 06:07 |
| nihilocrat | I find it handy for figuring out what's on my system | 06:08 |
| ivoks | symbios logic... | 06:08 |
| ivoks | ok | 06:08 |
| porkpie | nihilocrat:lshw doesn't work | 06:09 |
| nihilocrat | Ries: is XFS worth checking out for a LAMP server? | 06:09 |
| nihilocrat | 'doesn't work' as in it doesn't exist or as in it doesn't tell you anything about the cdrom? | 06:10 |
| Ries | nihilocrat: I didn't select LAMP from the installation menu... | 06:10 |
| ivoks | porkpie: try modprobe sym53c8xx | 06:10 |
| nihilocrat | I didn't either, i'm just saying | 06:10 |
| ivoks | porkpie: and sym53c416 | 06:10 |
| nihilocrat | A server whose purpose is a LAMP setup | 06:10 |
| Ries | nihilocrat: I basicly did the partitioning myself for both drives... setup RAID1 on the drives... on one pertition I used EXT3, on teh other LVM and XFS... but it worked from the installer | 06:10 |
| Ries | nihilocrat: this is going to be a webserver... postgresql, apache, mysql, and that sort of tools.. | 06:11 |
| nihilocrat | exactly | 06:11 |
| nihilocrat | oh, wait a sec, I think I might have gotten acronyms mixed up | 06:11 |
| nihilocrat | Yeah, I did, I thought you were talking about ZFS | 06:11 |
| nihilocrat | Sun's newfangled fs | 06:12 |
| porkpie | ivoks:I have a flashing cursor at the monent | 06:12 |
| ivoks | porkpie: how about now? | 06:13 |
| porkpie | No still flashing | 06:14 |
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| ivoks | that means you are back in comandline or it's working? | 06:14 |
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| Ries | nihilocrat: nope... I never heard of ZFS even :) | 06:16 |
| nihilocrat | ah | 06:16 |
| nihilocrat | It's relatively(?) new, and is supposed to be a 'next generation' FS | 06:16 |
| nihilocrat | Which has an extra layer of abstraction from the hardware which is supposed to make it a lot easier for people (particularly sysadmins) to manage | 06:17 |
| nihilocrat | I forget the details, I read about it two weeks or so ago | 06:17 |
| ivoks | gtg | 06:19 |
| porkpie | ivoks:I had to ctrl+c to get back to # | 06:19 |
| ivoks | bye all | 06:19 |
| ivoks | porkpie: check with dmesg what happend | 06:19 |
| ivoks | i got to go now | 06:19 |
| nihilocrat | bye | 06:19 |
| Ries | nihilocrat: Ahhh nice.... I need XFS because it suppose to handle large files better then raiser or ext3.... | 06:20 |
| nihilocrat | I am slowly doing research in more 'enterprise'-oriented server stuff as I'm being handed higher-traffic and higher-uptime services | 06:22 |
| Ries | nihilocrat: I was doing to same.... hence I picked LVM and XFS | 06:22 |
| A-Kaser | "higher traffic" aq ? | 06:22 |
| A-Kaser | as ? | 06:22 |
| nihilocrat | Well | 06:22 |
| Ries | currently in a default situation XFS outperforms EXT3 at ease..... 60MB/S for a disk to disk copy.... while EXT3 does about 30-40MB/sec | 06:23 |
| Ries | LVM can scale nice..... but I never really did work with it on a live server | 06:23 |
| nihilocrat | We want to move our webserver from Windows Server 2003 to Linux, and we're also running Moodle which is going to go into production in the fall | 06:23 |
| nihilocrat | Both of these boxes are VMs on a VMWare machine | 06:23 |
| nihilocrat | I'm the "go to" linux guy after the former "go to" linux guy went off to do higher-paying things | 06:24 |
| Ries | Ooo.. I am looking into XEN, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ | 06:25 |
| Ries | for some of my customer needs.... | 06:25 |
| nihilocrat | I want to use one of the old servers to run Xen and play around with it | 06:25 |
| nihilocrat | Then maybe put low-traffic stuff on it | 06:25 |
| Ries | and customers that need ssh...... | 06:26 |
| nihilocrat | As well as a Free/Open/NetBSD install to see what it's like :P | 06:26 |
| Ries | for freebsd stuff then porkpie knows about it.... | 06:26 |
| nihilocrat | really | 06:26 |
| nihilocrat | that's cool | 06:26 |
| Ries | yes.... he runs a couple of freebsd servers.... | 06:26 |
| nihilocrat | I think one of the cooler parts of virtualization is that it lets you run testing servers without requiring more hardware | 06:30 |
| Ries | that is true | 06:30 |
| nihilocrat | It makes configuration very modular, so you get the advantages of pizzaboxing without all the waste | 06:31 |
| A-Kaser | and you can move virtual server from one server to another one | 06:33 |
| A-Kaser | juste by scp | 06:33 |
| A-Kaser | so if one of the virtual server become too big | 06:33 |
| A-Kaser | it's easy to migrate it | 06:33 |
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| Ries | A-Kaser: do you have experiances with xen? | 07:32 |
| A-Kaser | very few | 07:32 |
| A-Kaser | more with vserver | 07:32 |
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| A-Kaser | :) | 07:37 |
| Ries | A-Kaser: this one, right? http://linux-vserver.org/ | 07:40 |
| A-Kaser | yes | 07:40 |
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| Ries | I think I have something to play with.... A-Kaser since you know the two .... what would you currently recommend xen or vserver? | 07:44 |
| A-Kaser | Xen have more features | 07:44 |
| A-Kaser | and the network layer is more dedicated to the slave server | 07:45 |
| A-Kaser | but vserver is very light | 07:45 |
| A-Kaser | so I think it's not vserver vs xen but do you need SSH access or dedicated network layer | 07:45 |
| Ries | I didn't read upon them well... I am interested in it to run it.... | 07:46 |
| A-Kaser | in a vserve you cannot change the ip address | 07:47 |
| A-Kaser | the iptables | 07:47 |
| A-Kaser | and you cannot change your kernel | 07:48 |
| Ries | A-Kaser: that means I can't run apache on port 80 on two different vservers, right? But it is a good solution to run postgresql, apache and maby other services in different vservers. Is that a correct conclusion? | 07:50 |
| A-Kaser | no you can | 07:50 |
| Ries | (assuming the machine has one interface and no virtual interfaces). | 07:50 |
| A-Kaser | it's a real virtualazing | 07:50 |
| A-Kaser | on my workstation I use it to test witch apache1 + php4 | 07:51 |
| A-Kaser | and another vserver to test apache2 + php5 | 07:51 |
| A-Kaser | and another to test jboss on port 80 | 07:51 |
| A-Kaser | each vserver have an simple IP alias | 07:52 |
| A-Kaser | as you can add with "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0" | 07:52 |
| A-Kaser | you need to configure the master vserver to be sure if you have an apache on it | 07:52 |
| Ries | Ahhh yeaaa indeed... so each vserver operates on a alias..... I understand... | 07:53 |
| A-Kaser | it didn't take all the IP alias to it | 07:53 |
| Ries | got to go home cool and thanks | 07:57 |
| A-Kaser | bye :) | 07:57 |
| A-Kaser | drink time ) | 07:57 |
| A-Kaser | :) | 07:57 |
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| terje | hi, in fedora I use 'service iptables stop' to disable my firewall. How is this done in ubuntu? | 11:51 |
| terje | and in general is there a service management command? | 11:52 |
| uniq | if you install the package named 'debian-helper-scripts' you get the 'service' command. | 11:55 |
| uniq | among others. | 11:55 |
| uniq | terje ^^ (just to trigger hiliting) | 11:57 |
| terje | sweet, thanks uniq | 11:58 |
| uniq | you're welcome. | 11:58 |
| Ries | terje:just use shorewall :) | 11:59 |
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