[12:21] <porkpie> Hi ...I have tried to install ubuntu server on 2 compaq dl360's so far and they have both failed when detecting cdrom.  Can anyone advise please
[01:34] <toggles> anyone know why `apt-get install mon` fails when it's listed here http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/admin/mon
[02:02] <toggles> ahhh, it's ~x86, i see..
[01:48] <J_P> hi all
[02:08] <studprog> Hi ... i don't know if this is the right channel - but a request in #ubuntu came out silent.... I'm looking for some help about preseeding an Ubuntu Dapper installation ...
[02:09] <studprog> anybody here gurus in debian-installer preseeding syntax
[02:10] <lionelp> Hi studprog
[02:10] <studprog> hi ;-)
[02:10] <lionelp> never tried myself, but there was a good article on the subject here : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394
[02:12] <studprog> lionelp: yep ... i have noticed it -- but debconf-get-selections --installer came out with the following err :debconf: DbDriver "di_questions": could not open /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat
[02:13] <lionelp> studprog: you should sudo debconf-...
[02:13] <studprog> and just running debconf-get-selections just posts all components set with "select"  as option ...
[02:13] <studprog> lionelp: i did
[02:15] <lionelp> strange, it works here...
[02:15] <studprog> the folder /var/log/installer/cdebconf does not exsist ---i think it is removed by the installer afterwards (there was a security issue previously about the fact that the root password was readable in the questions file after installation))
[02:15] <studprog> lionelp: you run dapper ? - or have you upgraded from e.g. breezy
[02:16] <lionelp> dapper
[02:16] <lionelp> I can check on an upgraded breezy
[02:17] <studprog> ok ...thats odd ... i'm running a newly installed dapper - and there is no cdebconf dir ... only 3 files - partman, syslog and version
[02:17] <lionelp> It also works on an upgraded breezy
[02:18] <lionelp> hum... you are right !
[02:18] <lionelp> (it was not a stable dapper when it was installed on my desktop)
[02:18] <studprog> ahh...
[02:19] <studprog> so all i have from the installer files is logging by something called Ubiquity
[02:20] <studprog> anyways ... what i really would like was to have some command in the preseed file that would let me know that the file actually was read..
[02:20] <lionelp> studprog: with Ubiquity, be do not run Debian Installer
[02:20] <lionelp> so...
[02:20] <lionelp> :)
[02:21] <studprog> ??
[02:21] <lionelp> Ubiquity is not debian installer
[02:22] <lionelp> If you want to have preseed from debian installer, i think you should install with the alternate cd (which installs with Debian Installer)
[02:22] <studprog> ahh ... i though Ubiquity was some sort of logger .... so it's an installer ?? .... all pages i've seen state that ubuntu either uses debian-installer syntax or something called Kickstart...
[02:23] <lionelp> yes, it is the new graphical installer run from the desktop-cd
[02:24] <studprog> ok -- but i'm installing via PXE -- and i get the text-based installer ... is that d-i or does ubi* also have a textmode ?
[02:29] <lionelp> d-i
[02:29] <lionelp> ubi is graphical
[02:29] <studprog> ok -- so i should focus on finding the right commands for d-i
[02:30] <lionelp> I am not sure I understand what you mean
[02:44] <studprog> sorry for the delay - a coworker had some questions
[02:45] <studprog> lionelp: well -- i'll go browse the web for some example preseed files (using the d-i syntax) then
[03:44] <screeb> hi !
[03:55] <screeb> I don't have lot of feadback on the idea of packaging e-smith for ubuntu (a web based server managment interface)
[03:56] <screeb> is there anyone interested in this project here? :)
[03:58] <lionelp> Hi screeb
[03:58] <studprog> hmm ... now it seems that i got past the language selection -- but i've also noticed that my preseed file isn't read ... i use the following parameter to invoke the preseed : preseed/url=http://installserver/preseed -- but from the accesslogs i can see that it's never read during install ;-//
[03:59] <lionelp> e-mith is a Linux distribution, I do not understand your will to package. package what ?
[03:59] <lionelp> I may be missing something :)
[04:00] <screeb> I want to package all administration tools of this distribution and adapt to ubuntu
[04:01] <lionelp> screeb: e-smith is now called SME Server by the way :)
[04:01] <screeb> yes
[04:04] <screeb> dont have much time now
[04:04] <screeb> by!
[04:47] <sharms> anyone here know someone who runs security.ubuntu.com that can let them know http is down?
[05:15] <porkpie> Hi ...I have tried to install ubuntu server on 2 compaq dl360's so far and they have both failed when detecting cdrom.  Can anyone advise please
[05:17] <ivoks> hm
[05:18] <porkpie> ivoks:it a bit of a strange problem
[05:18] <ivoks> g3?
[05:18] <porkpie> let me check
[05:19] <porkpie> ivoks:dam I can't tell
[05:20] <ivoks> ok, no prob
[05:20] <ivoks> so, it boots instalation and then doesn't detect CD?
[05:20] <ivoks> cdrom
[05:20] <porkpie> yeah
[05:20] <ivoks> that's SCSI or ATAPI cdrom?
[05:20] <porkpie> scsi
[05:21] <ivoks> ad, i see
[05:21] <ivoks> sec
[05:21] <porkpie> ok
[05:22] <ivoks> support for scsi cdrom is inside module
[05:23] <ivoks> try modprobing sd_mod after boot
[05:23] <ivoks> ctrl+alt+f2
[05:23] <ivoks> modprobe sd_mod
[05:25] <porkpie> OK ..I will try it now
[05:26] <ivoks> can you do it while on IRC?
[05:27] <porkpie> yeah
[05:27] <ivoks> great
[05:34] <porkpie> ivoks:whats the best version of ubuntu to use ?
[05:34] <ivoks> 6.06
[05:35] <porkpie> where can I download it from
[05:35] <ivoks> ubuntu.com/download
[05:38] <porkpie> ivoks:is it the alternate iso
[05:39] <ivoks> it's ubuntu-server iso
[05:39] <ivoks> what processor is that?
[05:40] <ivoks> xeon with em64t?
[05:40] <porkpie> ivoksPIII
[05:40] <ivoks> then http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu-6.06-server-i386.iso
[05:41] <porkpie> OK ...I have that one ...I am just burning a new copy
[05:42] <ivoks> why/
[05:43] <porkpie> ivoks:because I have scratched the other copy
[05:43] <porkpie> nearly done
[05:44] <porkpie> Hi Ries
[05:44] <Ries> never knew there was this channel!!! ppl on #ubuntu didn't tell!!!!
[05:44] <Ries> hey porkpie
[05:44] <porkpie> ivoks:Ries is a big fan of ubuntu
[05:45] <ivoks> ok, but this isn't support channel
[05:45] <porkpie> I know
[05:46] <Ries> ivoks: well... on #ubuntu there are 800 ppl.... 750 are lurking.... and from teh 50 ppl about 1% answers questions about server :)
[05:47] <Ries> I prefere to make this a real ubuntu-server channel :) I had a question yesterday about software raid1, LVM and XFS.... noone could answer :S
[05:47] <Ries> however it works now
[05:52] <porkpie> ivoks:just booting into ubuntu now .....after the kernel has uncompressed....I use ctrl+alt+f2 ?
[05:53] <ivoks> just follow instalation and when it fails, then ctrl+alt+f2
[06:00] <porkpie> ivoks:Hmm! tried the modprobe from the console but it just return to a #prompt
[06:00] <ivoks> that's ok
[06:01] <ivoks> now run dmesg
[06:01] <ivoks> and check if it detected CDROM
[06:03] <porkpie> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[06:03] <ivoks> run lspci
[06:04] <ivoks> and report what SCSI controller you have
[06:05] <porkpie> Hmm! strange no SCSI controller
[06:05] <ivoks> take a better look
[06:06] <ivoks> it wouldn't boot from SCSI cdrom if there's no SCSI controller :)
[06:07] <porkpie> RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53C1510 (rev 02)
[06:07] <nihilocrat> 'lshw | less' might also help
[06:08] <nihilocrat> I find it handy for figuring out what's on my system
[06:08] <ivoks> symbios logic...
[06:08] <ivoks> ok
[06:09] <porkpie> nihilocrat:lshw doesn't work
[06:09] <nihilocrat> Ries: is XFS worth checking out for a LAMP server?
[06:10] <nihilocrat> 'doesn't work' as in it doesn't exist or as in it doesn't tell you anything about the cdrom?
[06:10] <Ries> nihilocrat: I didn't select LAMP from the installation menu...
[06:10] <ivoks> porkpie: try modprobe sym53c8xx
[06:10] <nihilocrat> I didn't either, i'm just saying
[06:10] <ivoks> porkpie: and sym53c416
[06:10] <nihilocrat> A server whose purpose is a LAMP setup
[06:10] <Ries> nihilocrat: I basicly did the partitioning myself for both drives... setup RAID1 on the drives... on one pertition I used EXT3, on teh other LVM and XFS... but it worked from the installer
[06:11] <Ries> nihilocrat: this is going to be a webserver... postgresql, apache, mysql, and that sort of tools..
[06:11] <nihilocrat> exactly
[06:11] <nihilocrat> oh, wait a sec, I think I might have gotten acronyms mixed up
[06:11] <nihilocrat> Yeah, I did, I thought you were talking about ZFS
[06:12] <nihilocrat> Sun's newfangled fs
[06:12] <porkpie> ivoks:I have a flashing cursor at the monent
[06:13] <ivoks> porkpie: how about now?
[06:14] <porkpie> No still flashing
[06:14] <ivoks> that means you are back in comandline or it's working?
[06:16] <Ries> nihilocrat: nope... I never heard of ZFS even :)
[06:16] <nihilocrat> ah
[06:16] <nihilocrat> It's relatively(?) new, and is supposed to be a 'next generation' FS
[06:17] <nihilocrat> Which has an extra layer of abstraction from the hardware which is supposed to make it a lot easier for people (particularly sysadmins) to manage
[06:17] <nihilocrat> I forget the details, I read about it two weeks or so ago
[06:19] <ivoks> gtg
[06:19] <porkpie> ivoks:I had to ctrl+c to get back to #
[06:19] <ivoks> bye all
[06:19] <ivoks> porkpie: check with dmesg what happend
[06:19] <ivoks> i got to go now
[06:19] <nihilocrat> bye
[06:20] <Ries> nihilocrat: Ahhh nice.... I need XFS because it suppose to handle large files better then raiser or ext3....
[06:22] <nihilocrat> I am slowly doing research in more 'enterprise'-oriented server stuff as I'm being handed higher-traffic and higher-uptime services
[06:22] <Ries> nihilocrat: I was doing to same.... hence I picked LVM and XFS
[06:22] <A-Kaser> "higher traffic" aq ?
[06:22] <A-Kaser> as ?
[06:22] <nihilocrat> Well
[06:23] <Ries> currently in a default situation XFS outperforms EXT3 at ease..... 60MB/S for a disk to disk copy.... while EXT3 does about 30-40MB/sec
[06:23] <Ries> LVM can scale nice..... but I never really did work with it on a live server
[06:23] <nihilocrat> We want to move our webserver from Windows Server 2003 to Linux, and we're also running Moodle which is going to go into production in the fall
[06:23] <nihilocrat> Both of these boxes are VMs on a VMWare machine
[06:24] <nihilocrat> I'm the "go to" linux guy after the former "go to" linux guy went off to do higher-paying things
[06:25] <Ries> Ooo.. I am looking into XEN, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[06:25] <Ries> for some of my customer needs....
[06:25] <nihilocrat> I want to use one of the old servers to run Xen and play around with it
[06:25] <nihilocrat> Then maybe put low-traffic stuff on it
[06:26] <Ries> and customers that need ssh......
[06:26] <nihilocrat> As well as a Free/Open/NetBSD install to see what it's like :P
[06:26] <Ries> for freebsd stuff then porkpie knows about it....
[06:26] <nihilocrat> really
[06:26] <nihilocrat> that's cool
[06:26] <Ries> yes.... he runs a couple of freebsd servers....
[06:30] <nihilocrat> I think one of the cooler parts of virtualization is that it lets you run testing servers without requiring more hardware
[06:30] <Ries> that is true
[06:31] <nihilocrat> It makes configuration very modular, so you get the advantages of pizzaboxing without all the waste
[06:33] <A-Kaser> and you can move virtual server from one server to another one
[06:33] <A-Kaser> juste by scp
[06:33] <A-Kaser> so if one of the virtual server become too big
[06:33] <A-Kaser> it's easy to migrate it
[07:32] <Ries> A-Kaser: do you have experiances with xen?
[07:32] <A-Kaser> very few
[07:32] <A-Kaser> more with vserver
[07:37] <A-Kaser> :)
[07:40] <Ries> A-Kaser: this one, right? http://linux-vserver.org/
[07:40] <A-Kaser> yes
[07:44] <Ries> I think I have something to play with.... A-Kaser since you know the two .... what would you currently recommend xen or vserver?
[07:44] <A-Kaser> Xen have more features
[07:45] <A-Kaser> and the network layer is more dedicated to the slave server
[07:45] <A-Kaser> but vserver is very light
[07:45] <A-Kaser> so I think it's not vserver vs xen but do you need SSH access or dedicated network layer
[07:46] <Ries> I didn't read upon them well... I am interested in it to run it....
[07:47] <A-Kaser> in a vserve you cannot change the ip address
[07:47] <A-Kaser> the iptables
[07:48] <A-Kaser> and you cannot change your kernel
[07:50] <Ries> A-Kaser: that means I can't run apache on port 80 on two different vservers, right? But it is a good solution to run postgresql, apache and maby other services in different vservers. Is that a correct conclusion?
[07:50] <A-Kaser> no you can
[07:50] <Ries> (assuming the machine has one interface and no virtual interfaces).
[07:50] <A-Kaser> it's a real virtualazing
[07:51] <A-Kaser> on my workstation I use it to test witch apache1 + php4
[07:51] <A-Kaser> and another vserver to test apache2 + php5
[07:51] <A-Kaser> and another to test jboss on port 80
[07:52] <A-Kaser> each vserver have an simple IP alias
[07:52] <A-Kaser> as you can add with "ip addr add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0"
[07:52] <A-Kaser> you need to configure the master vserver to be sure if you have an apache on it
[07:53] <Ries> Ahhh yeaaa indeed... so each vserver operates on a alias..... I understand...
[07:53] <A-Kaser> it didn't take all the IP alias to it
[07:57] <Ries> got to go home cool and thanks
[07:57] <A-Kaser> bye :)
[07:57] <A-Kaser> drink time )
[07:57] <A-Kaser> :)
[11:51] <terje> hi, in fedora I use 'service iptables stop' to disable my firewall. How is this done in ubuntu?
[11:52] <terje> and in general is there a service management command?
[11:55] <uniq> if you install the package named 'debian-helper-scripts' you get the 'service' command.
[11:55] <uniq> among others.
[11:57] <uniq> terje ^^ (just to trigger hiliting)
[11:58] <terje> sweet, thanks uniq
[11:58] <uniq> you're welcome.
[11:59] <Ries> terje:just use shorewall :)