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cbx33ping LaserJock 01:32
LaserJockhi cbx33 01:33
cbx33any news?01:34
LaserJockcbx33: did you sleep?01:34
LaserJockcbx33: what time is it there?01:34
cbx33it's 00:3401:34
cbx33I've not gone to bed yet01:34
cbx33we had to "pop" out01:34
LaserJockcbx33: ok, well try to upload again01:35
cbx33yeh?01:35
cbx33u think the change of package name will help?01:35
LaserJockyeah, raphink cleared it out01:35
LaserJockcbx33: name? or version?01:35
cbx33LaserJock, you are a legend01:35
cbx33version01:35
LaserJockI don't think that would effect it01:35
LaserJockcbx33: legend?01:36
cbx33yeh01:36
cbx33a star01:36
cbx33ok uploaded01:36
cbx33we'll have to see01:37
cbx33I'l be back in 5-6 hours01:42
cbx33breakfast01:42
cbx33:D01:43
cbx332 minutes 01:43
cbx33it's not cos I have 2 email addresses associated with my key is it?01:43
LaserJockbah01:43
LaserJockI'm not sure, but it doesn't like it01:44
cbx33:(01:44
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cbx33ok01:44
cbx33this sux01:44
cbx33I spent all that time getting it ready and REVU REFUses to accept it :p01:44
LaserJockcbx33: talk to siretart or raphink when you get up01:44
cbx33can you confirm it's been rejected?01:45
LaserJockpretty sure, the .changes file is in rejected01:46
cbx33ok01:46
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LaserJockjsgotangco: morning02:12
LaserJockI guess02:12
jsgotangcohi!02:12
jsgotangcoraining so hard here02:12
LaserJockI wish it would a bit02:13
LaserJockhere02:14
LaserJockwe keep having thunderstorms, but it is so dry and hot, the rain never reaches the ground02:14
LaserJockbut the lightning makes it so we end up with fires02:14
jsgotangcodoh02:16
jsgotangcowhen it rains hard here, the city streets get flooded02:16
LaserJockyeah, if it actually rains here for more than like 10 min. there is flash floods02:19
LaserJockwe've got nothing to keep the dirt together ;-)02:19
LaserJockstupid desert02:19
jsgotangcolol yeah lots of mud i guess02:19
LaserJockbah, I wish Gnome used bzr or svn even02:20
jsgotangcobut then manila doesn't have an efficient sewer system either02:20
jsgotangcoerr why?02:20
LaserJockcause I don't know how to use CVS :-)02:20
LaserJockI'm trying to build sabayon from CVS02:21
jsgotangcoahhh02:21
LaserJockactually bzr, but I need gnome-common from CVS02:21
LaserJockoh excelent, LP has got a bzr branch of it too02:22
jsgotangcois it updated02:22
LaserJocknot sure, last revision was from 2006-06-1202:22
LaserJockyep, looks like it is up to date02:24
LaserJockI think LP is usually within 1 day02:24
LaserJockwe'll see how long this takes, there's 800 revisions02:26
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bddebianHello02:29
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LaserJockI wonder if the Kalzium guys would mind if I stole their data and pictures :-)02:47
bddebianheh02:51
LaserJockthey have a lot of data, and they use xml to keep it in02:51
LaserJockgperiodic is like 1 .c file for the interface and 1 .h that has the data in like a list02:52
LaserJockkalzium has a glossary of chemistry terms02:52
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bddebianIs kalzium in the archive?03:05
LaserJockyeah03:07
LaserJockit's a part of kdeedu I think03:07
bddebianAH03:07
bddebianI wondered why I didn't recognize the package name ;-P03:07
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PetarisCan glibc be downgraded on x86_64 to 2.3.4 or be installed along side 2.3.6?03:19
PetarisI have a peice of software that doesn't seem to like 2.3.6 and tech support suggested downgrading if possible03:20
crimsunshort answer: no.03:26
crimsunlong answer: in a chroot, sure.03:26
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sbalneavEvening all03:36
bddebianHello sbalneav03:41
sbalneavHello there bddebian 03:41
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mhzhy gys05:26
mhzhy guys05:26
mhzhi guys05:26
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jsgotangcoyou shouldn't be online then05:27
Burgundaviahey jsgotangco05:29
mhzjsgotangco: I have... some folks need little support in spanish05:29
mhzjsgotangco: however, i am in bed :)05:29
mhznow, if your concern is bout my typos, jsgotangco then you are right, i shouldn't be here :D05:30
mhzheheh05:30
mhzsimple quiestion divided in two: a) any way clients can boot from Wi Fi ?     b) can a WiFi card be set and work as Access Point?05:33
jsgotangcoa) most likely no. b) set up an ad-hoc network05:35
Burgundaviamhz: if you have an acess point, turn off the dhcp on it, connect the edubuntu server to one side and it should work05:38
mhzjsgotangco: thx, and setting such network using same server (the one used for local network and edubuntu), would it repreent a risk?05:38
Burgundaviathe edubuntu server would need to have two nics and the access point would be connected to the lan portion05:38
jsgotangcoyeah05:39
mhzBurgundavia: thx. The scenario is indeed an Edubuntu server with 3 nics: eth0 eth1 and ath005:39
jsgotangcohmm it seems limewire uses some kind of implementation of zeroconf05:40
jsgotangcoi see a limewire share at the office building in rhythmbox05:40
mhzBurgundavia: so there is no access point, just ath005:41
Burgundaviahmm, no idea if you wireless nic can do it05:41
jsgotangcoad-hoc but how effective it will be on what you want to accomplish no idea05:42
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LaserJockjsgotangco: lol, it took almost 2 hrs to branch gnome-common :-)05:58
mhzre05:59
mhzsorry guys, I had a slight powercut (about less than a sec)05:59
mhzand I had to restart everything05:59
mhzBurgundavia: jsgotangco: i apologyze for that stupid powercut05:59
mhzlast thing I read from you was: <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea if you wireless nic can do it06:00
mhz<jsgotangco> ad-hoc but how effective it will be on what you want to accomplish no idea06:00
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jsgotangcohey Nuffing09:23
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Nuffinghey jsgotangco  :)09:32
Nuffinghey highvoltage 09:32
jsgotangcoNuffing: hey how are you doing, how was your vacation =)09:32
Burgundaviahey highvoltage09:32
Burgundaviacongrats on the new and exciting stuff09:32
Nuffingvac was awesome, thanks09:33
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jsgotangcookayyyy09:33
Nuffingwould have been WAY easier if he had let me show him while I was THERE!09:33
BurgundaviaNuffing: isn't computer support via phone/email fun>09:34
Burgundavia?09:34
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NuffingBurgundavia, the BEST! :P09:34
highvoltagehey Nuffing and Burgundavia!09:34
highvoltageNuffing: richard 'with us' yet?09:35
Burgundaviaeveryday I am reminded why I no longer work support09:35
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Nuffinghighvoltage, well kinda09:40
Nuffinghe is officially on board from today, but has suddenly found that he can't rem anything about IRC! Dork.09:41
cbx33hi all09:42
jsgotangcoNuffing: doh....09:43
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Nuffinghey cbx33 !09:44
cbx33hi Nuffing 09:44
Nuffingso how was 'gay Paris'? 09:45
jsgotangcohahaha09:45
Nuffingjsgotangco ^?09:45
Nuffingthat must be pronounced Paree09:45
jsgotangcoNuffing: we were stuck in an airport hotel09:45
Nuffingjsgotangco, so did I miss much, apart from the awesome ppl?09:45
Nuffingjsgotangco, your photos were nice, how hard was it to get into Paris from there?09:46
jsgotangcooh the people are great as always but for some reason we are cursed with hotels during these sprints?09:46
cbx33no one here knows how I can create a tooltip like object in pygtk but with an image as well?09:46
jsgotangcoNuffing: 16 hours09:46
jsgotangcoNuffing: Manila -> Amsterdam -> Paris09:46
Nuffingjsgotangco, oic, I meant from the hotel though :P09:46
Nuffingbut wow 16 hrs!09:47
jsgotangcoHotel->Paris 40min by train which costs 16Euro09:47
Nuffingyikes!09:47
Nuffingpricey09:47
jsgotangcoby taxi it would be 50Euro09:48
jsgotangcoyeah09:48
jsgotangcoNuffing: and Laserjock got his wallet pickpocketed in the metro somewhere09:49
cbx33yeh that sucked big time09:51
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JaneWhi RichEd 10:03
jsgotangcohey10:03
RichEdhi JaneW10:03
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RichEdGreetings to all from Richard Weideman ... I'm starting today as Education Program Manager ...10:04
jsgotangcohey RichEd welcome10:04
RichEdThanks jsgotangco10:04
jsgotangcowhats up?10:06
RichEdI'll be in and around today, setting up & finding my feet ... might not be responding to everything until I get orientated ...10:09
jsgotangcosure ask away just in case10:10
highvoltageRichEd: welcome to edubuntu :)10:34
highvoltage(bbl)10:34
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EmxBAhi10:38
RichEdhi10:38
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EmxBAhi seveas10:45
Seveashi10:45
EmxBAfew weeks ago i got edubuntu cds10:46
EmxBAthey look _great_10:46
jsgotangcogreat10:48
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EmxBAanyone? we agreed something about our LUG's page (i am admin there), skolarci.linux.org.ba to be translated to english (by me) and forum shall be opened for that, but none of you said something including edubuntu. i would put a link there to edubuntu site, there are edubuntu 5.10 and 6.06 reviews, ...10:51
jsgotangcoit shouldn't be that difficult, poke highvoltage he's the site admin10:53
jsgotangcoi rarely see a website from bosnia10:53
jsgotangcothat's nice10:53
EmxBAok, but i told you that the skolarci.linux.org.ba is THE ONLY SITE for kids and about linux in whole world...happypenguin.org has only games and other site are mostly dedicated to games, skolarci (call it school kids) has apps and games reviews, links for starting a life in linux world :) and a section called "linux school", where kids can learn lots of things about linux itself10:55
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EmxBAi shall speak to highvoltage11:04
RichEdEmxBA: I'm joining canonical today as the education programme manager ... I would like to chat to you at some stage about good web sites for kids & education & Linux ...11:09
EmxBAok, no problem, It would be *great*!11:09
crimsunwelcome, RichEd 11:10
RichEdhi crimsun ... tx11:10
RichEdEmxBA: give me until the end of the week to settle in and do my first (ed)ubuntu install ... and then i will be ready to absorb your wisdom :)11:18
EmxBAok :) just install it :)11:20
jsgotangcohave fun11:20
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RichEdwaiting for my new notebook ... and then taking my first steps in converting from MS to FOSS ...11:27
JaneWRichEd: I'll hold your hand :P11:30
JaneWalthough ogra normally has to hold my hand...11:31
ograi'm here, no worries :)11:31
RichEdogra: can i ask a few questions regarind partitioning etc ?11:34
RichEdragarding even :)11:35
ograRichEd, sure11:35
RichEdbackground context is me being able to work, not wasting too much of my 40GB drive and able to demo to people in the education space ...11:36
RichEdmy primary work space would be edubuntu ...11:37
RichEdq1: would i ever want to show people ubuntu as a boot option as well as edubuntu ...11:37
ograif you want to show the difference, yes11:38
RichEdnoted ... tx11:38
ograbrb, reboot11:39
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RichEdogra: i will need a small MS boot to demonstrate differences & similarities and for occasional non-compatability issues11:47
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ograso i'd suggest a 4 partition setup ...11:48
ograMS, ubuntu, edubuntu and a /home partition 11:48
ogra(thats five in fact because you should have a swap partition for linux)11:48
RichEdso i guess /home is for me to store & read from Ubuntu & Edubuntu ?11:49
ograyep11:49
RichEdand swap partition is for me to store & read beteeen MS & Ubuntu & Edubuntu ?11:49
ograthats holding all your personal data11:49
ogranope11:49
ograswap it like the windows tempfile ... if you run out of memory stuff is stored there11:50
ograits a fallback ...11:50
RichEdokay ... virtual memory ... can all the OS share the saome one, or will this be for Ed/Ubuntu and will I use C: for MS11:50
ograMS wont use it 11:51
ograwindows uses a file vs. linux using a partition (which is a lot faster)11:52
RichEdokay ... understood11:54
RichEdq2: what partitioning would you recommend for Edubuntu (primary work space) Ubuntu (demo) MS (demo including Office) ... and then /home and then [swap] 11:54
ograswap == depending on memory size ... (i'd pick at least the same size as you have memory)11:55
ograMs will surely take 2-3GB no precise idea here, since its ages ago that i installed a windows anywhere11:56
RichEd512MB RAM so I will make [swap]  1GB to allow for upgrade ...11:56
ograi'd give the ubuntu and edubuntu partitions at least ~3-4GB each11:56
ograand take whats left for /home11:57
ograalso make sure to install windows first, else it will just ignore that there are other OSes and overwrite the bootrecord11:57
RichEdoffice takes 2-3GB ! so will give MS 10GB to be safe ...11:58
ograheh :)11:58
RichEdyou know just in case the verage person wants to print their school report in brochure format with word art and cyrillic compatibility while being helped along by a paperclip ...11:59
ograwell, apart from the paperclip openoffice should fulfill all these needs ;)12:04
JaneWRichEd, OOo does everything MS Office does, PLUS no annoying paperclip! :)12:05
ograwell, thats another (less diplomatic way) to express it *g*12:06
RichEdre: also make sure to install windows first ->12:06
RichEdnow for the tricky question ... i've got the hp 4200 on order ... i expect it on friday ... it is the small footprint travel notebook with an external CD drive ...12:07
RichEdit comes with windows OEM ...12:07
ograthen you should just shrink the existing windows partition12:07
ograthe installer offers that12:08
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RichEdwindows installer ? offers shrink ?12:08
RichEdthe main problem is that they said they will only ship the CD at month end ... stock supply issue ...12:08
ogranope, ubuntu installer12:08
RichEdokay ... makes more sense ...12:09
ograif you get an oem version, isnt a system preinstalled ? 12:09
RichEdyep ... XP professional (sic)12:09
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ograshould be fine then, the installer should be able to resize that (i never tried though ... through lack of any windows around)12:11
RichEdnow regarding the missing CD drive ... any clever suggestions as to how (if possible) I can install from Edubuntu CD ... I have a LAN and shared windows CD drives at home ...12:14
ograhmm12:17
ograthats not really a beginner task :)12:17
ogracouldnt you get a usb CD drive ? 12:17
ograthere is a possibility to do a network based install, but that requires another machine and a lot of server setup12:18
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RichEdi have asked them for a loan unit ... would prefer to go the easy route for now ... going to phone them now and insist on a loaner ...12:21
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RichEdogra: another question ... calls to adopt linux are always pushed under the "free os" banner ... great theory ... but how do you actually go about "not paying for windows" ?12:37
RichEdi was pointed to one dealer in SA who could sell me a DOS notebook ... but i found another offer which was cheaper due to some loyalty dicsounts I have ...12:38
ograhow would i modify windows programs if i need to ? how fast will they implement a feature i need at MS ?12:38
ograhow fast are security holes fixed ?12:38
ograif i get windows for free, will i also get office ? 12:39
RichEdyep ... those all very important, but if i am to push educational & student purchases, price to get up & going is often a factor ...12:39
ograif i get office for free, will i also get development tools, server software etc ? 12:39
ograa linux system is much much more than just the os12:39
ogra(ubuntu has 17000 software packages)12:40
RichEdi heard a long time ago that there was a way of getting a refund for a windows purchase ... supposed to be difficult but possible ... does that still apply ... any idea ?12:40
ograwill i get a liveCD to recover my broken system from MS as well ? 12:40
ograetc etc 12:40
ograyes, that might be true, but you still only get the bare operating system12:41
RichEdsure :) not disputing any of these ... just really commenting on how difficult i have found it in SA to find any dealer who would sell me a virgin machine ...12:42
ograright, thats hard in germany as well :)12:42
ograthe big advantage of edubuntu is LTSP here 12:42
RichEdthe problem is that if the new user is supplied with an OS (which he/she has paid for) on their new PC ... then it is harder for us to convince them to convert ... no ?12:42
ograyou can re-use all your existing hardware with it12:42
RichEd#1 they start off with windows on first use ... and #2 people are very reluctant to "throw away" the OS they have paid for ... 12:43
ograwell, as soon as this user needs to do image editing and is told to buy photoshop fior $2000 it looks different :)12:43
JaneWogra: there is a lot of piracy here too :P12:45
RichEd[note]  my questions might be provocative, but my approach is i support FOSS principles 150%, but i am a "skeptical windows convert" ... i'm adopting this aproach because it most resembles the profile of the people i will be dealing with ... existing windows users in education departments & schools ...12:45
ograJaneW, well, piracy is illegal :)12:46
JaneWRichEd: although you will be doing some new installs as well, where they haven;t had anything yet. Those cases are easier, and 'once FOSS, aways FOSS'12:46
RichEdi've been working with schools & teachers & educational departments for 3 years with HP, and they have been seduced / trapped / brainwashed by "educational licences" from MS ...12:46
JaneWogra, indeed12:46
ograRichEd, my answer to that would be "try it" and "you will see that there is all software included a human being every needs"12:47
ogra*ever12:47
RichEdwhen you add this to the imbalance between Windows & Linux support (# of trainers, # of support options, # of dealers) then most people take the path of least resistance ...12:48
RichEdit's not *right* or *best* ... just an observation & comment on my local educational landscape12:49
ograyep12:49
ograthe trick is to get them to try it12:49
ograits usually convincing enough if they see whats all included12:50
ograand if you ask them for the price they'd pay at MS for all this12:50
ograi.e. edubuntu LTSP comes for free, a windows terminal server costs $n per seat ... yearly12:51
RichEdso let's say we show Edubuntu to a teacher, and he says I want 50 (pure) Edubuntu notebooks for my staff, could we save him 50 x WIndows OEM costs ?12:51
ograsure, there are companys that offer laptops with ubuntu :)12:51
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RichEdCan you give me an example, and i will chat further with them ? HP in SA have decided to go with Linspire ... sadly ...12:53
Nuffinggah dosconnected12:53
Nuffingdis even12:54
ogra the HP offer is ~150 cheaper here if you take the ubuntu variant12:54
Nuffingogra did you see my 2 questions?12:54
ograNuffing, nope12:54
Nuffingboss alert brb12:55
RichEdokay ... i'll swim upstream via some ex-colleagues to HP in europe and ask them some questions ...12:55
RichEdNuffing: change back to JaneW :)12:55
JaneWsorry12:56
ograthere are also some IBM resellers in europe offering ubuntu12:56
bimberihi RichEd, I just scrolled back and read your post about joining Canonical.  Welcome!12:56
RichEdtx bimberi :)12:56
RichEdi'll see if i can start a list of "buy with ubuntu pre-installed" resources ... 12:57
bimberiRichEd: does the role have a global focus? (i'm in australia)12:57
JaneWogra my questions were:12:57
JaneWogra, how is Edubuntu Daper being received so far?12:57
JaneWand do you know how many CDs have been ordered so far?12:57
RichEdyep bimberi ... i'm the filter for all educational queries on ubuntu ... 12:57
RichEdogra: 15012:58
bimberiRichEd: great! :)12:58
JaneWRichEd, it will be good for you to talk to HedgMadge too, she has more of a teacer focus12:58
RichEdogra: 150 euro is "a lot of money" to a student or teacher in SA ... probably 1 weeks wages for a teacher ...12:58
ograJaneW, there is a guy from the ministry of education and arts from bayern who is intrested :)12:59
RichEdor 1 months rooom rental for a university student ...12:59
ograapart from that i dont know how many have been ordered, but in paris they were all gone :)12:59
ogra20000 was waaay underestimated :)12:59
RichEdbimberi: give me until next week to settle before you flood me with questions :)12:59
bimberiRichEd: don't worry i saw that post too ;)01:00
RichEdJaneW: tx ... not here now ... what's her email ?01:00
JaneWSusan something...01:01
JaneWshe is active on the mailing list01:01
ograSusan Stewart <HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net>01:01
JaneWogra: thanks01:01
RichEdogra: tx01:01
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ograJaneW, pfft, powerless, you are in a company that can cut our internet, there is way more power involved :)01:03
bimberiRichEd: You mentioned listing 'ubuntu preinstalled' resources - the Australian Local Community Team are doing just that (for laptops at this stage) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks01:03
JaneWhaha01:03
ograRichEd, there is also a project in detroit where they refurbish old HW with edubuntu preinstalled for poor kids01:04
bimberiRichEd: I'm in process of making it a Marketing Team intiative for other Local Community Teams to pick up - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuFriendlyHardwareSuppliers01:04
ogratalk to jammcq or whiprush about it01:04
RichEdbimberi: excellent ... i'm definately not here to reinvent the wheel :)01:05
bimberiRichEd: oh no, i wasn't saying ...   just thought there might be some resources there you could use :)01:07
RichEdForgive my ignorance and approach at times ... but i'm coming from 20 years of MS developer / support / user experience as a willing convert to Linux. If something is difficult or unclear to me, chances are our target audience will experience the same problems.01:07
RichEdbimberi: will be keen to tap all helpful knowledge & resources ... you are already on my list ;)01:08
bimberiRichEd: yikes ;)01:10
JaneWRichEd: FYI jammcq is Jim McQuillan as discuss yesterday01:29
JaneWhi rodarvus :)01:29
ograrodarvus, morning rodrigo01:30
rodarvusgood morning01:31
rodarvusJaneW: hi :)01:31
rodarvushi ogra01:31
rodarvusRichEd: welcome :)01:31
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ogra********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~30min **********01:32
RichEdrodarvus: thanks :)01:32
JaneWogra: oh right it's wednesday!01:36
JaneWRichEd, weekly meeting at 2pm01:36
JaneWogra: good reminder-botting01:37
ogra:)01:37
ograthanks01:37
rodarvusI wonder if ogra has some kind of alarm setup on his machine01:37
ogranah01:37
ograheh01:37
ograi'm usually around at that time and this is a date i have deeply mounted in my brain :)01:38
JaneWogra: I used to forget even WITH calendar reminders :P01:38
rodarvustomorrows meeting is going to be fun stuff for me -> 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team01:39
JaneWrodarvus, those were my FAVOURITE01:41
ograRichEd, you should take a look at the LAMS project btw, seems that becomes sabdfls future pet project wrt education01:41
=== JaneW will be happily sound asleep at that time \o/
rodarvusJaneW: I wonder if you wait to sleep until after the meeting or wake up at 3am :)01:42
rodarvusI'll probably wake up really early and start working after the meeting01:42
JaneWrodarvus, I sed to wake up at 3:4001:42
JaneWrodarvus, and then try to sleep again at 05:30 but was normally too alert to really sleep again01:43
JaneWs/sed/used/01:43
JaneWis it 04:00 UTC now?01:44
ograyou should really move to a sane TZ :P01:44
JaneWused to be 02:00 UTC01:44
ogragah, my wlan is flaky today01:44
JaneWyeah UTC -2 to UTC +2 is the only valid band01:45
JaneW*hide*01:45
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rodarvusk31th: yes, meeting times changed last week01:46
rodarvusk31th: oh, sorry01:46
ogra********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~15min **********01:46
rodarvusJaneW: yes, meeting times changed last week01:46
ograwe only have 3 times to cope with now, not 401:46
ograand if you live in a sane TZ you dont have to get up at evil times :)01:46
rodarvusI think we now have 04:00 UTC, 15:00UTC and 23:00 UTC01:47
ogranah ... it was something with 7:00 UTC, no ?01:47
rodarvussorry, 7:00UTC01:47
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rodarvusogra: the rest is supposed to be correct01:48
rodarvusogra: but actually, I believe meeting times are horrible for Brazil and (at last part of) Australia01:48
JaneW23:00 YUK01:48
JaneW1am01:48
ograwe dont have many core devs in either of them though ...01:48
rodarvusbut they seem to be real good for europeans :D01:48
ograyeah01:49
ograi dodnt really care01:49
ogra+i made the ones before and i'll make them now as well 01:49
ograbut before you could have an easy excuse ... (Ibroken alarm clock etc ;) )01:49
ograthats not the case anymore :)01:50
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ograat least for europeans :)01:50
ogra********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~10min **********01:50
jsgotangcogood evening01:50
jsgotangcojust in time =)01:51
ograyeah01:51
ograand its not even a council meeting :)01:51
jsgotangco:P council meetings are always at 4AM my time01:52
jsgotangcoi guess its punishment and a curse01:54
ograyou just need to move to europe ... 01:54
jsgotangcoeasy for you to say, you're european you don't need papers to go anywhere in the world =)01:55
ograeasily fixed :)01:55
ograwell, i think i need a visa for the US01:55
ograbut thats it ...01:55
rodarvus********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~4min **********01:55
jsgotangcoyuck who wants to go there anyway01:56
rodarvusogra: your alarm forgot the 5 minutes tick :D01:56
ograrodarvus, yay01:56
ograno flint yet ...01:56
ograthats unusual ...01:56
JaneWhas flint been behaving?01:57
ograsure01:59
ograelse we'll teach him to, its EDUbuntu, you know ;)01:59
rodarvus********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~1min **********01:59
rodarvus:D01:59
ograyay02:00
ogra********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW !! **********02:00
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flintJaneW, hey kiddo how's tricks?02:41
flintI have been playing with xen on top of the Dapper, very kewl.02:41
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JaneWhi flint02:42
flintJaneW, Where are you working?  Who is taking care of greatest child in world?02:43
flintbtw your man got reconnected... it just goes round-and-round.. I gotta get some coffee.02:44
flintJanew, stay well. sksk02:45
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ograJaneW, we elected lisa as artteam lead and made her a edubuntu member03:05
JaneWcool03:05
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JaneWsurrender even03:06
ograapart from that the meeting was rather short and silent03:06
pygiJaneW, !!! :)03:06
JaneWhe'll need to sign CoC etc before then though03:06
ograyep03:07
ograand a wikipage, LP account etc03:07
JaneWtrue, let's make him jump the flaming hoops first03:07
ograrodarvus had to do that too :)03:07
highvoltagehehe03:08
rodarvusindeed :)03:08
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rodarvusall this stuff takes a goog while to complete - I'm relieved you only have to do it once :)03:08
JaneWok, when is next EC. Date & Time03:08
JaneWsorry missed this month, was on leave (and forgot)03:09
ograin three weeks03:09
jsgotangcoalways at 4am always!03:09
ograaug 2nd03:09
JaneWjsgotangco, :P03:09
JaneW12:00 or 20:00?03:10
ogra20:00 iirc03:10
jsgotangcoits always 20:0003:10
ograwe should rotate on a three week base :)03:10
ograso it flips :)03:10
jsgotangcooh no please don't im the only one affected03:10
jsgotangcosurely its no hassle03:10
ograok03:10
jsgotangcobrb03:11
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highvoltageRichEd: those away messages aren't cool in ubuntu channels ;)03:42
RichEdhighvoltage: noted03:43
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JaneWdid my away msg display?03:57
ograluckily not :)03:57
JaneWhrm, so why did RichEd's? I told him to do it the same way I aways have03:58
jsgotangcoJaneW: you know men ;)04:01
rodarvusquick reboot, I'll be right back04:02
JaneWjsgotangco, lol04:02
RichEdJanew: setting preferences show away messages : now unchecked :)04:02
JaneWahh04:03
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JaneWbye edubuteros04:05
ogracaio JaneW 04:06
ogra*ciao too :)04:06
JaneWalwiedersein (sp?)04:06
ograauf wiedersehn :)04:06
JaneWahh04:06
JaneWthat too ;?04:06
ogra:)04:07
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k31thyo04:29
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PetarisHi04:29
rodarvusthe 'quick reboot' took way longer than expectd04:30
rodarvuslinux-2.6.17-4-686 is quite broken at this moment04:30
rodarvus- initrd is not being automatically generated04:30
rodarvus- kernel is not being added to grub menu04:30
rodarvus- ndiswrapper driver is MIA04:31
rodarvuspossibly other stuff too :)04:31
jsgotangcoheh i couldn't even boot my machine after an upgrade :/04:34
rodarvusjsgotangco: note that I needed to take action on all steps above :)04:34
rodarvusogra was having problems on his imac too, if I remember correctly04:34
jsgotangcothank god im not as smart as you04:34
jsgotangcoid probably have a brain tumour by now if I had to recover on that04:35
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jsgotangcogoodnight04:51
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EmxBAhi everyone05:36
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EmxBAseveas: you always come here when I do...few minutes/seconds after me, and I suppose you come here before me :)05:37
ograrodarvus, ndis wqas demoted to universe05:50
ogra*was05:50
rodarvusogra: I mean the kernel driver05:54
ograyes05:54
rodarvusits not built inside our image anymore05:54
ograyes05:54
ograbecause ndiswrapper was demoted to universe, complain at Keybuk :)05:55
ogra(including the kernel pieces)05:55
rodarvusso there should be a ndiswrapper-module-2.6.17-4-686 (and all the rest too)05:55
ograits the same sourcepackage for module and utils05:55
ogradunno if it even built ...05:55
ograso it might be there are no binarys at all 05:56
ogra(yet=05:56
ogra)05:56
rodarvusheh05:56
rodarvusI'll deal with this sometime in the future05:56
rodarvusbut surely not today :D05:56
ograask Keybuk 05:56
ograthere was a reason why it was dropped05:56
rodarvusogra: I will... some day :)05:56
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rodarvushuge stuff05:57
EmxBA sgotangco:hi05:57
k31thanyone know of a bit of software that will use a modem to pick up a fax and save it to a file ?06:05
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bddebianHeya07:35
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slashdevnullHello, hello.08:17
LaserJockhi08:17
slashdevnullQuick q for the dev/support types: I have some ltsp clients that seem to want to boot without displaying the graphical login screen unless you hit alt-F7 after boot. Is this a known issue?08:19
slashdevnullUbuntu 6.06 ltsp, beige box ltsp clients.08:20
Yagisanyes, I get it sometimes too08:21
YagisanI have no idea why08:21
Yagisanbut it took 30 seconds to train people to hit Alt+f7 while I try to find out why08:22
YagisanI suspect it happens when my network is congested08:22
slashdevnullYagisan, what xorg driver are you using? Mine is tdfx for the affected systems.08:22
Yagisanvesa08:22
slashdevnullHrm, interesting.08:22
YagisanI made life easy and tried vesa and sis08:23
slashdevnullWe are thinking of upgrading the network in question with a gig-E switch.08:23
Yagisanvesa was faster08:23
pygislashdevnull, that is good ^_^08:23
slashdevnullThe server is already GE equipped, as are some of the thinclients08:23
YagisanI had 100 Full duplex to the few systems, but 1000 would be nice08:23
slashdevnullShould I run the clients at gig also, if they support it, or let the server have more bandwidth than any one (or 10) clients can dish out at it?08:24
pygiYagisan, to be honest, I never implemented network on 100Mbit (Edubuntu network) so I wouldn't know how it works08:24
pygibut 1000Mbit seems reasonable to me08:24
Yagisanpygi: works fine for up to 6 pc's (haven't tried more, had to borrow a few to demo it)08:25
pygi6 might be, but 30 not for sure =P08:26
slashdevnullI have a 13-client network setup in our training room that works great. it's on gigE. The one I'm having problems with is a customer's network.08:26
slashdevnullOur 13-client network runs like a charm.08:27
pygislashdevnull, great :)08:27
slashdevnullYou'd never even realize that it was thin client. Feels like "phat" client. ;)08:27
Yagisanpygi: on Debian and the old ltsp, I ran 15 systems on 100. but that was a while ago, and on icewm08:28
slashdevnullThe customer network seems to run into problems when one or more users hit websites with lots of animated flash banners. It looks like the banners are effectively becoming straming video servers. ;)08:29
Burgworkslashdevnull, thin clients are always going to have problems with rich media, like flash, I suggest you install flashblock08:29
slashdevnuller, streaming08:29
slashdevnullNot familiar with flashblock. I'll look it up. If it allows you to pick and choose what gets blocked, or what gets through at least, I can give it a try.08:30
slashdevnullThe user needs to get access to certain flash content08:30
BurgworkI think you can have it that they can start the flash themselves08:31
Yagisanurgh flash08:31
pygiBurgwork, you are right08:32
slashdevnullcool.08:32
Yagisanperhaps when the gpl flash system are working fine I won't peg out at 100% cpu when one is loaded08:32
slashdevnullI realize that ltsp is not the ideal environment for rich media, but given that so many mainstream websites these days are chock full of flash banners, etc., it's pretty hard to avoid "rich media".08:33
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Burgworkpygi, as per usual08:34
Burgwork;)08:34
pygiBurgwork, indeed ^_^08:34
Burgworkpygi, where are you at with the gedit plugin guy? I saw he produced some code08:34
pygiBurgwork, right, not much, but at least he did what we told him ^_^08:35
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Burgworkyes08:35
LaserJockack, where is the school advocacy doc on edubuntu.org?08:37
LaserJocknvm, found it08:40
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EmxBAhi09:22
Burgworkhey EmxBA 09:34
EmxBAhey Burgwork!09:35
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LaserJockhi cbx33 09:43
EmxBAcbx33: hi!09:43
pygicbx33, !!!09:43
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pontifexcbx33!09:44
cbx33hi all10:11
cbx33sorry I missed the meeting10:11
cbx33was in a meeting at work :(10:11
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cbx33I have the minutes to do10:11
cbx33will get those done tomorrow10:11
cbx33LaserJock, you managed to approve gisomount yet :p10:11
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cbx33bbl10:14
LaserJockcbx33: not yet10:31
LaserJockcbx33: busy today10:31
LaserJockI'll try to do it by the end of the day10:31
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cbx33:D10:43
cbx33ok10:44
cbx33np10:44
pygicbx33, !!!10:44
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cbx33pygi, ???10:53
pygicbx33, nothing ;)10:54
cbx33sure???10:55
pygiaha :)10:55
cbx33???10:55
pygicbx33, just ignore me;P11:04
cbx33i could never do that11:08
cbx33not with the skirt and pom poms11:08
cbx33:p11:09
cbx33nn all11:09
cbx33early night for me11:09
cbx33I may actually get 7 hours tonight11:09
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LaserJockcool, somebody on my local LUG list is interested in getting Linux in schools12:11
ograyay12:12
LaserJocksomebody mentioned K12LTSP12:13

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